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  • @ProtectTheMessage
    @ProtectTheMessage 2 года назад +21

    (25 min) When she said, "Hmm, you make me rethink my whole life" it made me smile and I felt so happy for her. I felt a whole rush of happy in that moment. Go figure….

    • @m4anow
      @m4anow 2 года назад +3

      24:59 hey @Larry Richards , when you type out the minute and second separated by a colon, it will create a link to that time in the video for people to click and go to your "bookmark"

    • @ProtectTheMessage
      @ProtectTheMessage 2 года назад +3

      @@m4anow thank you.

    • @stevegoodson9022
      @stevegoodson9022 Год назад

      Yeah, her willingness to actually question her beliefs was lovely to see, and a testament to the effectiveness of SE

  • @dusty3913
    @dusty3913 3 года назад +54

    I need to revisit this method. I've strayed away out of laziness. The other day I had a very unproductive disagreement at work (with a superior) because I planted a flag and refused to back down. In the end, it hurt their impression of me.

    • @ambulocetusnatans
      @ambulocetusnatans 3 года назад +7

      Me too. I suck at it because of my personality. But I notice you get better at with practice.

    • @gepisar
      @gepisar 3 года назад +3

      come join the discord server!

    • @drakesilmore3760
      @drakesilmore3760 3 года назад

      @@gepisar what's the discord?

    • @mojoe87
      @mojoe87 3 года назад

      @@drakesilmore3760 If you go to the SE linktree in the description of this video you can find the discord server there.

  • @davidfitnesstech
    @davidfitnesstech Год назад +3

    The *Socratic Method* (questioning) really makes people think about why they *believe* certain things... Rather than just hitting them with debunking facts.
    Doug at his *"PineCreek"* channel is a master at this.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  Год назад +1

      Pinecreek is taking it to new levels.

    • @davidfitnesstech
      @davidfitnesstech Год назад +1

      @@magnabosco210
      Just found this channel .
      I will be binging on these videos :-)

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  Год назад +2

      @@davidfitnesstech Great. There are many other SE content creators out there, too. You can see the 'SE Latest Releases' playlist on my main channel page I think.

  • @raylawler13
    @raylawler13 3 года назад +42

    Anthony, I heard you're going to be at THRIVE this weekend and I really appreciate you doing that! I won't be attending, but as an ex-Mormon, I know what you're doing will be so helpful to other ex-Mormons, most of whom have extremely complex relationships with Mormon family members and friends. Learning these strategies can really help with knowing how to respectfully approach conversations around these topics.

    • @mikerich32
      @mikerich32 3 года назад +5

      I am also ExMo and I'm so glad I came across your channel, Anthony! Most of my family is Mormon and they aren't exactly open minded, and my parents in particular try to avoid confrontation as much as possible. However, after learning from your videos I was able to use SE in a non-confrontational way to be able to better understand why they believe what they do. Sadly I don't think I was able to help them do any self-reflection about their methods of determining if something is true or not, but happily I have been a lot more successful in doing that with my siblings. Anthony, if you see this, thanks for what you do!

    • @nickgarbinski3734
      @nickgarbinski3734 3 года назад +2

      I’m also an ex-mo and this channel has helped so much. I’ve had chats using these methods with my grandmother (really good results) and dad (okay results) as well as with a couple of hour-long talks with friends at my school. It’s a really great 1-on-1 strategy that at its best helps people see the flaws in their thinking and at the very least opens their minds a little bit. One of my best friends struggled with Catholicism for a long time and after multiple chats with her she is now a full-blown atheist. Anthony, you’re the greatest

    • @TurboToller
      @TurboToller 3 года назад +1

      As an ex-mormon myself this process has helped me in so many ways when working with my family. It's also helped me in planting a stone in their shoes. I would love for them to find the freedom I have found in escaping such a controlling environment.

    • @1Whipperin
      @1Whipperin Год назад

      This approach assumes the interlocutor believes in reason to be successful. If the God of their belief system is unreasonable then Anthony fails.

  • @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer
    @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer 3 года назад +16

    Been using epistemology with veganism, it never fails. We're raised to be Speciesist, and it's hard to break that. Love your work, great to see another upload.

    • @Elrog3
      @Elrog3 3 года назад +1

      To make them vegan or to not go vegan?

    • @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer
      @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer 3 года назад +5

      @@Elrog3 Go vegan. Lol i want to reduce non-human animal exploitation and cruelty. I used to be blinded by my own cognitive dissonance until I used epistemology to question myself. I ate non-human animal flesh and secretions for 30 years of my life. I was conditioned as a child to be Speciesist, like most of us. I removed the blinders 3 years ago. I'm an atheist because objective truths and facts pulled me that way, that same goes for veganism.

    • @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer
      @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer 3 года назад +2

      @Edward The Booble I don't eat humans for the same reason I don't eat non-human animals. It's immoral to unjustly take the life of another sentient being simply for taste pleasure.
      I have no issues eating plans because though they are alive, they aren't sentient or have a central nervous system. They do not feel pain like a dog, fish, cow, dolphin or chicken.
      I also have no issues with you eating road kill or anyone who died of natural causes. ( I wouldn't eat them personally)
      I wouldn't eat a "wild chickens" secretions because it's unhealthy.

    • @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer
      @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer 3 года назад +3

      @Edward The Booble the reality is male chicks are seen as byproduct and disposable in the egg industry, and this is their fate on their first days of life. This is cruel and unnecessary. ruclips.net/video/t_u0jxi_v-w/видео.html

    • @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer
      @Marine_Veteran_Vegan_Gamer 3 года назад +3

      @Edward The Booble how would you go about eating an animal without taking their life? Are we living in a survival situation? That is irrelevant.
      The point is that we are killing sentient beings for no good reason.
      The world's largest health organization the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics had clearly stated that a properly planed vegan diet is adequate for all stages of life from infancy to pregnancy. There is no excuse to keep supporting the non-human animal holocaust.

  • @alisonharrisuk
    @alisonharrisuk 3 года назад +12

    This is brilliant! Really looking forward to the other videos. Thank you! X

  • @johnnyecoman9121
    @johnnyecoman9121 3 года назад +2

    Excellent presentation. I have been watching lots of SE vids for a while now and finally, with this one it is begining to sink in. Ta very much.

  • @Danny_6Handford
    @Danny_6Handford 2 года назад +4

    I have watched all 3 parts. Very good way to talk to people about their ideas and beliefs. Giving this method of interacting in conversation with people about their beliefs the label or name “Street Epistemology” may not be the best way to describe it or identify it. Epistemology is a fancy word and many people may not know what it means. I was well into my 40’s before I knew what the meaning of Epistemology was. I am thinking that you should be able to come up with a better label or name for this that does not use words that are not commonly used in day to day conversations.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching. You're not the first person to quibble about the name. But we're probably stuck with it now. Cheers.

    • @Danny_6Handford
      @Danny_6Handford 2 года назад

      @@magnabosco210 I have never taken a philosophy course and was well into my 40’s before I knew what the meaning of Epistemology was. You may be able to reach more people and have more interest if you stay away from fancy titles and names. I am thinking that you can just call this “Best methods to question claims and beliefs”. Just a suggestion. Keep up the good work.

  • @felicien93
    @felicien93 3 года назад +4

    Hey Anthony! Very nice introduction. Can't wait for the rest.

  • @Steve0272.
    @Steve0272. 3 года назад +4

    That was a great example of SE , and how a few questions can give people pause to think 👍😀

  • @thewb8329
    @thewb8329 3 года назад +5

    Great work I hope it reaches critical mass Sometime in the near future. Essential skills to thrive in a pluralistic society.

  • @trobinsun9851
    @trobinsun9851 Год назад

    Excellent !

  • @moonshoes11
    @moonshoes11 3 года назад +3

    Kiana was amazing. Great conversation.

  • @hyggemcb06
    @hyggemcb06 3 года назад +2

    This is an important tool to develop for everyone who wants to help people develop better ways of thinking

  • @SnakeAndTurtleQigong
    @SnakeAndTurtleQigong Год назад

    Thanks so much!

  • @francisbegbie3326
    @francisbegbie3326 3 года назад +2

    Best wishes Anthony!! Nice to see you upload, tc

  • @SunnySecular
    @SunnySecular 3 года назад +5

    Absolutely amazing!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾This made my commute more enjoyable. Great job!🤗

  • @lukeevans729
    @lukeevans729 Год назад

    Outstanding

  • @inefffable
    @inefffable 3 года назад +3

    Good to see ya, Anthony! Hope you and fam are doing well. Look forward to more vids

  • @heyhonpuds
    @heyhonpuds 3 года назад +3

    Great stuff, very interesting talk, thank you. Also gotta admit, it was so nice to see a video on your channel that didn't have those awful filters on.

  • @LinkFanatic
    @LinkFanatic 3 года назад +3

    I'm proud of anyone who can actually employ this method with patience and finesse.
    I'm extremely quick to anger and generally only debate with the intention of changing the other person's mind, or vise versa. I get that said approach usually doesn't work, but in my experience, being gentle doesn't either.
    Then again, I've never tried the actual SE method, but in the end, I simply don't have the kind of personality built for this. Even if I honed it as a skill, I'd still have a ceiling.
    Nonetheless, I've learned a lot from watching your Street Epistemology videos. Thanks Anthony, and keep up the great work! Huge fan of you!

  • @christopherefird1517
    @christopherefird1517 3 года назад +1

    As a former Human Intelligence Specialist in the military I've been intrigued with SE. I'm hoping as more formal courses are offered, that this becomes a normal conversation piece in the public space.

  • @wowjack8944
    @wowjack8944 3 года назад +20

    I'm dutch and didn't even know ''Dutch Skeptics'' existed.

    • @karim0302
      @karim0302 3 года назад +1

      Een hele goedenavond in dat geval. And yes, me too.
      Edit: me neither*

    • @wowjack8944
      @wowjack8944 3 года назад

      @@karim0302 me neither* is het volgensmij ;)

    • @karim0302
      @karim0302 3 года назад

      @@wowjack8944 Ah, dank. Daar heb je me even een goed punt, haha

    • @Jacxel
      @Jacxel 3 года назад +3

      How certain are you that it does exist?

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад +6

      There is a link to their organization in the video description.

  • @louiepreciado5672
    @louiepreciado5672 2 года назад

    I’m pretty sure you interviewed me after a hike at Friedrich Park (I think that was the park). This was around or before 2013. I recognized the Tic Tacs and the timer on the mini whiteboard. Couldn’t find my video but would’ve been an interesting watch lol.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад +1

      Hello! Possibly. If you could narrow down the date a bit I could try looking for the footage.

    • @louiepreciado5672
      @louiepreciado5672 2 года назад

      @@magnabosco210 Thank you I'll try to figure it out! I probably didn't have anything interesting to say lol

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад

      @@louiepreciado5672 haha well It’s hard to say. I generally upload videos that I that other people might found interesting. Search for you on Facebook and it seems we share a friend. In any event, thanks for taking the time to speak with me and I wish you all the best.

  • @NeedSomeNuance
    @NeedSomeNuance 3 года назад +1

    Looking forward to meeting you at FF in a few days!

  • @joshuacoleman6245
    @joshuacoleman6245 2 года назад

    ty

  • @MEYER251189
    @MEYER251189 3 года назад

    If somebody make a note with the important point please publish it in the comments

  • @WeAreShowboat
    @WeAreShowboat 3 года назад +2

    Hi Anthony. Sincere question. Why do you want people to believe in accurate claims (or well reasoned claims)?

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад +1

      This probably still sums it up: ruclips.net/video/0T_4r3Ki-Ic/видео.html

    • @WeAreShowboat
      @WeAreShowboat 3 года назад +1

      @@magnabosco210 Thanks! In the video you linked you said that your presupposition is that “the more true things we believe the better it will be for humanity”
      So if there was an untrue belief that was better for humanity would you rather people believe in that?

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад +1

      @@WeAreShowboat That’s a really great question. I think that would depend on whether or not there were other options available that were more closely aligned with the truth of the situation. If humanity could thrive just as much or more with another belief that was more likely to be true than they would with the false belief, then I think I would have to say no. Now I’m wondering: If “humanity” became too content with the false belief, how could “humanity” ever figure out that there were truer options out there? Great question though. Really. Thank you.

    • @WeAreShowboat
      @WeAreShowboat 3 года назад

      @@magnabosco210 Thanks for the reply! For the sake of making clear delineations, say there was an untrue belief which had no truer option that provided as much help to humanity (in whichever way you define “help to humanity”). Also, to reduce unnecessary complication, say you personally had clear and incontrovertible evidence (however you define that) that there was no truer option available that provided as much help to humanity.
      Would you then say that you would rather people believe that untrue belief over the more accurate but less helpful to humanity alternatives?

    • @lifefindsaway7875
      @lifefindsaway7875 3 года назад +1

      @@WeAreShowboat it’s an interesting proposition. If there were an untrue belief that allowed humanity to thrive better than knowledge of the truth would allow. (Something akin to Plato’s Noble Lie) I think we have problems applying it.
      To judge whether the Noble Lie allows humanity to thrive better than the Truth, that judgement needs to be based in the Truth. If unsound reasoning justified the Noble Lie, it becomes circular reasoning.

  • @KarlMarcus8468
    @KarlMarcus8468 3 года назад +1

    watching that great question that makes the gears turn in some ones brain and they go "hmm...I've never thought about it like that.." is like crack to me.

  • @jorgeyarza6057
    @jorgeyarza6057 3 года назад

    beautiful

  • @lucaskin1
    @lucaskin1 3 года назад

    I love how the guy presenting Anthony switch from Dutch to English without even blinking.....

  • @duediligence8888
    @duediligence8888 3 года назад +1

    Nice

  • @Dodgerzden
    @Dodgerzden 3 года назад +3

    I like how she came up with random percentage numbers when asked how confident she was about her position on karma. It’s really an impossible question to respond to because it’s not possible to quantify that.

    • @sharpienate
      @sharpienate 3 года назад +4

      But isn't it possible to get close?
      I suppose a clarifying question might be, "At what percentage of confidence would you be willing to say you 'accept' a claim as true?"
      Then they could at least give an intelligent quantification according to their own criteria.

    • @Dodgerzden
      @Dodgerzden 3 года назад +1

      @@sharpienate Yes, of course, but at this time it's not measurable by something outside of your own opinion. It's a subjective thing similar to when a doctor asks you what your pain level is on a scale of one to ten. At the same time, no one can really dispute your opinion.

    • @sharpienate
      @sharpienate 3 года назад +10

      @@Dodgerzden This exercise isn't a claim for an objective and scientifically rigorous external measurement system. It's a rhetorical device and a means to an end. That being: To critically examine one's own beliefs and reasons for belief by recognizing the reality of degrees of certainty.

    • @skepticusmaximus184
      @skepticusmaximus184 3 года назад

      @@sharpienate "At what percentage of confidence would you be willing to accept the claim is true."
      That's an excellent question in and of itself. It speaks to (or asks of) the calibration of our scales. For me I'd always idealise the point of conviction at or above 50%. But in reality I suspect we all have a bias depending upon which claims we are considering. We neither have calibratied scales between each other, nor between various issues or beliefs.
      That's not so much an issue if you are only comparing the same persons confidence from one moment to the next and then only on the same specific belief. So relative confidence in this context, even still, provides a measure of deviation.
      I'm not even sure I'd say I always accept a belief at a solid 50%, It's prone to confirmation bias. But the question of at what level to accept a belief is a good one for sure

    • @skepticusmaximus184
      @skepticusmaximus184 3 года назад

      @@sharpienate "At what percentage of confidence would you be willing to accept the claim is true."
      That's an excellent question in and of itself. It speaks to (or asks of) the calibration of our scales. For me I'd always idealise the point of conviction at or above 50%. But in reality I suspect we all have a bias depending upon which claims we are considering. We neither have calibratied scales between each other, nor between various issues or beliefs.
      That's not so much an issue if you are only comparing the same persons confidence from one moment to the next and then only on the same specific belief. So relative confidence in this context, even still, provides a measure of deviation.
      I'm not even sure I'd say I always accept a belief at a solid 50%, It's prone to confirmation bias. But the question of at what level to accept a belief is a good one for sure

  • @Da_Mewster
    @Da_Mewster 2 года назад

    I tried using this in a Facebook discussion and someone said the fact I ask short questions while others give long detailed answers proves my ignorance.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад +1

      Another claim worth exploring! If it's not too late, or for next time, or for others who may be watching, simply ignore the attack and explain why you might be responding in the manner that you are. Something like this could go a long way toward addressing their concerns and getting the talk back on track: "I can understand how someone might get that impression. I'm trying something a bit different here. Instead of long responses where I present my position, I'm attempting to clarify how you arrived at yours...." Idealy, you can set expectations for how your interaction might go in advance to avoid reactions like you received in the first place, but even if you forget or choose not to explain your goals and approach, you can usually circle back to it. Remember, SE is unusual for lots of people, so they may come up with all sorts of explanations for your interaction if you don't tell them in advance what you hope to achieve and how you plan to go about doing it. Informed consent at the start and checking in along the way is a big factor in effective SE. Hope that helps.

    • @Da_Mewster
      @Da_Mewster 2 года назад

      @@magnabosco210 That was a huge help, and a very fast reply! I appreciate it a lot!

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад +1

      @@Da_Mewster You are very welcome. There’s a pretty vibrant community of people getting into SE. Check out the communities page on the SE website if that’s of interest to you. They even have practice sessions and things like that. Cheers.

  • @dannyboi_663
    @dannyboi_663 2 года назад +1

    All hail Anthony!

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад +1

      That’s right

    • @dannyboi_663
      @dannyboi_663 2 года назад +1

      @@magnabosco210Haha! Thanks for everything man. After bitter arguments with the cult I was raised in, I've been looking for a different way to communicate. I cannot wait to test this method, but even more, watching your videos has made it easier to forgive my family. Thanks again

  • @JakisoTheArtist
    @JakisoTheArtist 3 года назад +1

    Hi Anthony What app is that you used for the interactive Survey?

  • @drakesilmore3760
    @drakesilmore3760 3 года назад

    Hi anthony, what are your thoughts on using this technique in psychology?
    Sometimes people have certain strongly held believes about themselves that they needed to justify the things that happened in their past, which have now become non-beneficial to them. People struggling with this show the same depence and defensiveness when it comes to their believes as for example religious people. Would a technique like this work in such a situation, where you start questioning what they believe, why they believe it and by what metrics they believe it?

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад +2

      I’ve personally received reports from psychotherapists who said that they’ve incorporated SE techniques into their practices.

  • @DexDavican
    @DexDavican 2 года назад

    Hmm, seems like there’s some overlap between SE and Motivational Interviewing.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  2 года назад

      Yes, there seems to be. We compare and contrast SE to CBT and a few other approaches in Module 1: What is Street Epistemology? in the upcoming self-directed SE course.

  • @Devin0327
    @Devin0327 3 года назад

    Who was the person in the thumbnail? I can tell it's the college but i haven't seen the episode

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад

      The link to my discussion with Kiana, the person in the thumbnail and video within this video, is in the video description.

  • @bartvaes4126
    @bartvaes4126 3 года назад +6

    Well I knew that my Northern neighbours had a bible belt, but also a Skeptics Society ?🤔 "Nou breekt me klomp !" 😂

    • @davidsmith6859
      @davidsmith6859 3 года назад

      On a scale of 0 to 100 how confident are you they had a bible belt? lol

  • @ZoeSummers1701A
    @ZoeSummers1701A 3 года назад

    Are the other videos up? I can't see them.

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  3 года назад

      Video description will have links to the other parts as they become available. Part 2 is out.

  • @jokich6379
    @jokich6379 3 года назад

    I think I would place myself as someone in search of answers and solutions. For instance, I study diets and foods. Many Co flicts in theory and outcomes. I would simply say that it is like going down a rabbit's hole or an endless maze. I would like to think that would put people in a comfort zone to feel all answers are not absolutely correct.

  • @colmastro4373
    @colmastro4373 3 года назад

    Damn Anthony where you been?! We missed you

  • @lancetschirhart7676
    @lancetschirhart7676 Год назад +1

    82 to 53 in five minutes, damn

    • @Noise-Conductor
      @Noise-Conductor Год назад +1

      Don't underestimate the power of a good question.

  • @patrickparker4576
    @patrickparker4576 10 месяцев назад

    It truly hurts my soul that whatever program you used implemented red check marks instead of red X's. 😞

  • @Gryf_
    @Gryf_ Год назад

    that poor person who selected 'a' just as it moved to the next slide haha.

  • @lancetschirhart7676
    @lancetschirhart7676 Год назад

    Rocks scored higher than dogs

  • @capablancauk
    @capablancauk 3 года назад +1

    Normalising thinking would be a good start. Then get on to critical thinking.

  • @therealtruthvideos2832
    @therealtruthvideos2832 3 года назад +1

    At her last answers she was trying to appeal to pragmatism "cause this belief helps me get through"
    u should of tried to make her question pragmatism or question if this belief really helps her from a pragmatic perspective.

  • @z0uLess
    @z0uLess Год назад

    claim: the average skeptic has an emotional intelligence below average in a given population

    • @magnabosco210
      @magnabosco210  Год назад

      How did you come to this determination?

    • @z0uLess
      @z0uLess Год назад

      @@magnabosco210 Probably the same way most stereotypes are formed, through a long life of observing different types of personalities and how they relate to each other. However, since science have no real conception of what emotions are, it might as well be that thing we understand as "the skeptic attitude" is that of being a disruptor, innovator or a creative, since emotions can just as well be a socially constructet bodily state which is reliant on agreeing to other peoples narratives and things of that kind. A small child that trips and falls on its knees will often times not cry untill it sees the fear in its parents eyes. It might as well be that the thing we understand as lacking emtional intelligence, then, is something akin to that of being somewhere on the autism spectrum, and that the concept of emotional intelligence itself has no scientific reliability.

  • @ceceroxy2227
    @ceceroxy2227 3 года назад

    I dont think Anthony really deals with any deep issue about God, he just cant conceive of anything beyond what he sees and experiences but doesnt deal at all with real arguments for Gods existence.

    • @CivilianFatBody
      @CivilianFatBody 3 года назад +3

      Are you implying it’s reasonable to make assumptions about things that we do not experience or see then?

    • @friendo6257
      @friendo6257 3 года назад

      Why do you think that?

    • @ceceroxy2227
      @ceceroxy2227 3 года назад

      @@friendo6257 Because Anthony is just your regular atheist, why does the universe exist,does it have an explanation, well I dont know, can you give me your arguments against the argument from contingency, I dont know. He is not a deep thinker, just your run of the mill atheist.

    • @ceceroxy2227
      @ceceroxy2227 3 года назад

      @@CivilianFatBody Yes it is reasonable to contemplate and reason things out through philosophy and through rational arguments that can get us closer to knowing what is most likely true.

    • @friendo6257
      @friendo6257 3 года назад

      @@ceceroxy2227 you claim to know a lot about stuff you haven’t verified.