Does WILLFUL SIN and APOSTASY equal loss of salvation? | Pastor Reacts to OSAS Documentary 03
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Pastor Jesse begins a 5 part series in reaction to the "Once Saved Always Saved | A Documentary Film." This reaction is in response to the error that these men promote. In no way, shape or form are we desiring to degrade these individuals. We pray for each of these men that they come to the knowledge of the truth of salvation.
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The willful sin is rejecting Jesus and going back to Judaism, legalism under the law fallen from grace.
How dare people want to walk as Yeshua walked, the apostles walked,- how every author of the Bible walked.
Obviously that's a deception from the pits of hell!
Satan during all the OT: Ohh,- how am I going to get people to disobey God's Law?
Satan during the NT (apparently): Ohhh,- how am I going to get people to obey God's Law?
This channel is 🔥 for the truth! Keep it up Jessie and Trent!
What all these men in the video have in common is that they all ask how is God going to deal with the sins a believer commits. The answer is God has ALREADY dealt with those sins. You cant commit some "extra" sins that haven't been paid for. Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. They are going to have to decide if they believe the gospel or not.
That's not true, they ask what God does with someone who used to believe and has fallen away from the faith blotted out of the book of life, committed true apostasy and truly denies Jesus Christ as savior and lets says now is a Muslim atheist Hindu and truly. Believe that now.
Their main difference from osas and Calvinists is they believe God gave man free will to accept him or reject him, and that ability did not stop before the foundation of the world double predestination of Calvinism which is OSAS, plus and once passed over and damed always damned.
Or for non Calvinists who believe only in OSAS doctrine, who say the ability to reject Jesus stops once you accept him, and you can never be a true unbeliever again, that's single predestination for salvation with no ability to fall away from the faith that's forced belief forced salvation and is false salvation and makes continue in to the end to be saved make no sense since it's all predetermine and automaticbfron your first belief on
And is simy not biblical at all.
Remember it is the fathers will Jesus lose none, not his command Jesus lose, that's a huge difference.
@@Tigerex966 I'm sure that made sense to you when you wrote it but I couldn't follow it. sorry
@@TheShadow.1 thank you. For trying no problem just different points if view.
Basically if you believe you are saved if you don't you are not saved.
That belief does not save you and is not a meriting work.
Jesus saves you and at anytime you can accept or reject Jesus I told death.
As Paul makes clear salvation is by God's grace through faith and we cannot boast if ourselves or our faith because faith is not a work.
Yet sometimes people call that work salvation lordship salvation just repeating Paul's and johns words words that we must believe, but are ever forced to believe or to continue by predestination or osas .
God bless stay in his word
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John 3.26
Absolutely, lots of Christians inadvertently believe they're more powerful than God and His finished work on the cross - having more power than God to void the sacrifice by their own sin. Jesus died once, we're saved once.
Folks do not understand what you just said. How long does His blood intercede for our sins?
Hebrews 7:25 (KJV) Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
@@fernandodeleon4115 well yes and no. The small flock (made up of Jews) had salvation and more were coming to salvation slowly I’m sure as most rejected. Peters job was to feed or grow these immature lambs into mature sheep. 🐑
Thank you Jessie for your clear anf honest teaching through this video. God bless you
People need to rephrase the question to "once you start being saved will you continue being saved?"
Because the d on the end of saved implies that it's finished.
So OBVIOUSLY if you lost your salvation then you weren't saveD.
Otherwise there wouldn't be an d on the end of the word.
And yes once you are born again you will go to heaven, otherwise God is a liar.
yes so true, and the Book of Hebrews is to the 12 tribes the Jews, not Gentiles. that is where rightly divide the word of truth. if you can lose your salvation, that is not grace, hello. does that sound like grace to you? it sounds like they show there faith by works, how does that work, it doesn't.
As usual fantastic very informative on what the scripture clearly says
I am finding it difficult to see there point of view on how they say these passages show be read
It is true folks … always use the simple passages to help understand the difficult ones
Have used this process from I heard it about a year ago and it helps
God Bless Jess Trent and the whole team for these
Pray for the deceived they don’t know they are
God Bless
Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate all of your comments!
- Trent
I'm really enjoying your videos.
Great job Pastor Jesse! ❤
Who are kept by the power of God… 1st Peter 1:5
LOUDER! Say that verse LOUDER for the people in the back! :)
Remember when Paul wrote this in Romans 6: 1-2: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
Seems that even back then people were accusing Paul that the gospel was OSAS. He seems to be refuting charges that people make today about won't sin abound if you are saved once forever?
God’s Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Grace Alone. Faith Alone.
Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
This is a challenging passage, for me, but I defer to Christ’s words and promise of hope that because I believe in His blood and power at the cross, that Grace and mercy on me is proof of salvation forever. If that were not true, there is no good news and Christ died in vain. I admire your humbleness and calmness because when I hear false teachers I get upset, and I should not. I am working on that. God Bless.
I get upset too. Because, without saying it, they're teaching that the blood of Jesus isn't sufficient. These men place behavior modification in front of the cross and Jesus when He said in John 6:39,
I lose NONE
Amen.
Amen brother right on time, thank you and Bless Everyone In Jesus Name ❤
Hello Pastor Jesse! I pray you and Calvary Community Church, are doing great...I watched this video and looked at my study notes on 2nd Peter Chapter 2. The false teachers you are refuting use these verses to say that believers can lose their salvation and I wanted to share my view with you and your viewers...It is a little different than your interpretation and I think it really does make sense so humbly please bear and hear me out...Here is what I believe these passages in 2nd Peter chapter 2 are all about....
2 Peter chapter 2 verse 1 makes it clear: "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Pe. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2Pe. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. You see all the passages leading to the passage below that these false prophets like to twist are all about False teachers (Just like the people you are refuting) who had come in among the true believers and were trying to draw them away so all the way through up to the verses below notice Peter is speaking about FALSE PROPHETS AND NON-BELIEVERS!
now let's look at II Peter where the false teachers like to twist these verses...2Pe 2:20 For if after they (NOTICE THE WORD THEY...it is still talking about false teachers non-believers that had snuck into the congregation it doesn't say we but they)... have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, ( they heard the message and were acting like believers and they cleaned up their lives but they never believed in Christ alone) they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. What these verses are saying is astounding...it is saying that some unbelievers know of Christ and Follow Christ and try to keep His commandments and when you look at them you cannot tell the Christian from the unbeliever because they are going to church and doing righteous things but notice the following verses...
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them (notice the word them again not us, believers but the false prophets who had infiltrated the believers) not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. What was the Holy commandment delivered to these unbelievers and false prophets "REPENT (CHANGE YOUR MINDS) AND BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST" all they did was clean up their act exteriorly and benefited from that in life, but they will be worse off than they started...in other words the person that knows the way of God's redemption is by Trusting in Christ alone apart from anything they can do...but refuses to believe it... but becomes a disciple of Christ without believing in Him alone...just like Judas did... the latter end will be worse than his beginning...THE LAST VERSE IS KEY TO THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION...READ CAREFULLY BELOW...
2Pe 2:22 But it has happened unto them (THE FALSE PROPHETS NOT BELIEVERS) according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. THIS IS TALKING ABOUT FALSE PROPHETS ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALL OF THESE VERSES....THE DOG NOT THE SHEEP THE DOG HAS TURNED BACK TO HIS VOMIT WHY BECAUSE THEY NEVER BELIEVED SO THEY WERE NEVER SHEEP...AND THE SOW NOT THE SHEEP THAT WAS WASHED (BY EXTERIORLY WASHING IN OTHER WORDS DOING RIGHTEOUS DEEDS) TO HER WALLOWING IN THE MIRE...THESE WORDS AT THE END PUT AN EXCLAMATION POINT ON WHOM THESE VERSE ARE ADDRESSED TO...It is clear all of these warnings were because FLASE PROPHETS WERE TRYING TO CORRUPT THESE BELIEVERS AND PETER WAS WARNING THEM THAT THEY WERE UNBELIEVERS WHOS LATTER END WOULD BE WORSE THEN THEIR BEGINING...I hope you can clearly see that these verses are in no way addressed to believers but to false prophets and non-believers...God bless you all Rob :) (CAPS USED ONLY FOR EMPHASIS I AM NOT SCREAMING/YELLING LOL!)
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I'm leaving a like out of trust before even starting to watch...ahah
"All who come to me, I will in no wise cast out."
Amen 🙏 well said i love this!!!
Brother do you have a teaching on mark 16:16 bout water baptism im trying to understand
If Salvation was by Works, you could lose your Salvation. Should we do Good Works? Of Course we should. But if someone doesnt do good works, they are Still Saved.
Ephesians 2:10
King James Version
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
⚠️Notice: It doesnt say "that you MUST walk in them or you will lose your Salvation".
Romans 4-5 also no works needed to receive Christs imputed righteousness
@OSAS1611 Amen Brother.
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All these false teachers do is confuse people, and who is the author of confusion? Thanks for defending the true gospel of grace.
I think we sometimes have a bad idea of what a "sin hardened" man looks like. Sure it can be like Saul in the old testament, but it can also look like these men attacking the eternal security we have in Christ. I think their teaching is what often drives saved men to this hardness, causing them to forget the love of Christ and the eternal security in which they should be resting. I only say this because I was on that road with the pedal to the floor and the teachings of men like this for fuel. Thank God for men sound in their faith and secure in their salvation that have ministries like Bibleline that have helped people like me "soften" and regain that joy of our salvation and love for Christ and our brethren.
In short, works backloading or front loading incurs God's anger.
Works of FAITH are not works as you speak of... in fact there is NO law against the works of the Spirit, of which faithfulness and self control are described.
Galatians 5:22-25
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [24] And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
@@noybiznatch Unless they say if you dont do works or be more perfect you dont get saved. Then it is backloading works into the gospel( which is a free gift.) And yes we should go on to perfection and allow the holy spirit to produce his fruits in our lives. But a disobedient child is still a child of God. We dont condemn the weak we restore them.
Hey, do you know a good studiebible that is helpful and does not teach false doctrins?
Pastor Jesse, Jesus said " my sheep hear my voice, i know them, they follow me"
Yes, the Lord speaks and we do hear Him. Its such a miraculous thing to hear the voice of the Lord after you're born again
So there is a difference between…
- I am saveD meaning it is finished I am secured I can’t lose that?
And
- I received salvation tasted and all that, but purposely apostatized and turned away from the faith?
Because based on all we have gone through in this series I feel so secure about my salvation. The Bible proves that. Does Jesus not give eternal life? How can something eternal be lost or taken from me?
Can you please do a video on the difference between what God's word says in Mark 8:36-37 KJV and what God's word says in Matthew 16:26 KJV about gaining the whole world and lose his own soul?
I struggle reconciling verses like As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us., and And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. with the concept that we must give an account for our sins at the judgment seat. Do you have a video that addresses this, or point me to scripture that will help me understand, or perhaps could you reply here? Thank you.
We have some content. Search “judgment” in our Live section, and you should stumble on something.
The answer is this:
Our sins are not judged at the judgment seat of Christ. Our works are. Not for salvation, but for Kingdom rewarding.
- Trent
@@BibleLine Thank you. I kind of thought I was drawing too much of an equivalence (if there should be any at all) between works and sin but wasn't sure.
@johntaylor5652 amen brother. The believer's sins, past present and future, were paid in full at the cross (Tetelestai). But that doesn't mean we can live with no regards to sins, present and future, since we (the believer) will appear at the judgment seat of Christ to give an account for how we lived out our testimony; not a judgment unto damnation but a judgement unto rewards (all of which we will cast as the feet of our Great Redeemer I'm sure!).
Sanctified in Hebrews 10:10 is in THE PERFECT TENSE!
Can you do a video on 2 corinthians 6? I know that verse cannot be about works, but I'm trying to understand what it means to "accept God's grace in vain".
This is something that the new testament writers wrote about often (and in many different ways). They're referring to falling off your rocker, and losing rewards as well as the fruits of righteousness on this side of heaven. It's something that can happen to a believer, we see one of the clearest examples of it in 1st corinthians with the man who was sleeping around with his stepmother. Paul says that he has "been given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh" (sounds pretty damning), but is careful to clarify that he himself will still be saved, though it will be as though "escaping through the flames".
We see this kind of thing in Galations as well, though for a different reason. They were trying to be justified through works and through the law after receiving the knowledge of the gospel of grace, and Paul says plainly that "You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace." If taken out of context, it would sound like Paul is saying that they have lost eternal life, but a few verses later, we see that Paul is still referring to them, the very people he referred to a few sentences earlier, as "brethren". Terms like "brethren" and "saints" aren't terms that the Bible uses for the unsaved. It uses these for those who are in Christ.
It is possible to fall off your rocker on this side of heaven. You lose a lot of the benefits of your salvation here when this happens (when you fall away from a true understanding of the gospel, or end up angering God severely enough to be under strong corrective discipline for the purpose of drawing you to repentance), but it does not mean you yourself have lost eternal life. These are two separate things. Christ promises that all that the father has given him, he will receive, and he shall by no means lose anyone. This means that once you are in Christ (as the folks Paul has referred to here are), none shall be lost in the end.
Paul often has some pretty strong words to say about this topic, but his purpose is to draw people to repentance and to a holy and pure lifestyle (as it is harmful to the church, and to people, when people fall back into egregious patterns of sin). Paul, more than anyone, understood that salvation was by faith alone (by BELIEVING on what Christ has done), and some of the strongest corrections in the new testament are towards those who got that confused.
@photoniccannon2117 I thought maybe it was speaking about like hebrews2, those who come to faith in christ but then go back to looking to their works to maintain salvation.
@@jamesvan2201that's exactly what it means. To hear the words of God's grace without the law and go back to the law, that's taking it in vain
Yeah, to accept God’s grace in vain is to do nothing with it once you’ve believed. It’s not that you believed, but it didn’t count. Context really doesn’t support that. It’s a believer (such as these Corinthians) who ARE saved, but they’re living in vanity. It’s similar to the believers in James living hypocritically. Hebrews and Galatians could be concluded similarly. All saved, but lacking in continuing in the grace they received.
Photoniccannon actually has a fantastic response.
I’m sure we’ll get a video on it eventually. Good question.
- Trent
Thank you for this clear gospel channel
What does Matthew 25: 31-46 mean? Does it mean that if we do not give to the needy or visit the sick, we will be damned?
Hey there!
Matthew 25 is worth the time and study because it is one passage at first glance (especially when out of context) looks like it’s about earning salvation.
I (Trent) personally believe the passage is referring to individuals who have believed in Christ and individuals who have not. This is during the tribulation period in the future when the 144,000 Jews will be proclaiming the gospel.
Apparently there is such a stark contrast (physically, noticeably) between believers and unbelievers, and that will be evidenced by what they do. The believers will be there for “the least of these my brethren” and the unbelievers will not. It is my personal belief that those “brethren” are the 144,000.
It’s malicious to say that these individuals go into eternal life solely on the basis of helping “the least of these my brethren” and that those who do not will end up in hell. This contradicts a wealth of scripture from John 3:16, 5:24, 6:47 to Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Phil. 3:9.
Thanks!
- Trent
If you are in Christ you are secure!
You can't lose your salvation, but you can walk away from it at anytime, Hebrews 6:4-6.
As long as you stay in CHRIST......YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO GET SAVED AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE CHOICE TO STAY OR NOT......FREEDOM OF CHOICE......GOD DONT FORCE ANYBODY TO GET SAVED AND GOD DONT FORCE ANYBODY TO STAY SAVED
@@danniequesenberry9951 yes, we all have free will.
@@danniequesenberry9951stop talking you are new to salvation so stop trying to school people when you don't even know
@@Andrewelitehe's either new to salvation or is just a complete heretic
Does faith mean the absolute absence of doubt in the resurrection? Even if you’re just afraid it didn’t happen?
Im very interested to hear Pastor Jesse’s take on my question. In Acts, they had the benefit of experiencing real tongues, and still seeing miracles. I wonder if we will be held to the same absence of doubt at all times.
Look up the channel truth is Christ and watch his videos, then look up Jesus in Genesis by John Kostik I believe. You won't have to rely on faith, you will see Him.
10:36 fill the basket of cherry picking, that’s a good one! I’m gonna use that!
Galatians 2 21 KJV
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Romans 3:28 KJV
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
These verses do NOT teach we shouldnt do Good Works at all.
Hello pastor,
How is 1 Corinthians 3:15 a reference to Hebrews 10:26?
If Hebrews 10 does not talk about salvation then how do you explain verse 38-39?
Many brethren address verse 25 & 26 explaining it's about sin sacrifice as supposed to salvation
Now even if we could give the benefit of the doubt many brethren do NOT ADDRESS Hebrews 10:38-39 (KJV)
Peace of Christ be with you, pastor 🙏🏾
Ps.
I believe in eternal security but I'm a dispensationalist (NOT Hyper or mid Acts)
And without rightly dividing the word non-dispensationalists will struggle to explain Hebrews 10:38-39
Some will not understand that GOD chose to give us free will.meaning i can change my mind
I’m glad my earthly father didn’t change his mind. I don’t even know how that would work. I’m not a biologist or a physicist or anything else I don’t I just don’t know how you could no longer be somebody’s father?
Joe schimmel preaches hardcore works salvation. Great video, God bless
That is a bold face lue if you know him or a false misreoresentatuin if you don't.
No he does not he has never preached works salvation at all ever he teaches Jesus alone by grace through faith.
He simply believes in e you accept Jesus you do not lose the ability to reject him later like the early church and many today perhaps the majority.
.he does believe we will know them. By their fruit or actions, not that that saves you but is evidence you are saved along with the holy Spirit and gifts of the spirit.
I challenge you to prove itm
How do take "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"
What does"fearful means to you?
Very much scary. God can take away just as fast as he can give it, but the conversation in that passage is not concerning salvation. It is similar to those who died in the wilderness due to their sin and continued unbelief in God.
God won't take a child of His own's salvation, but He sure can take their physical life if He desires.
- Trent
I have 2 big struggles with sin so I worry about drifting to far away and hardening myself I know my joy in the Lord is not there and ive become apathetic but not so much that my desires for God are gone its just im struggling to get my will into gear to carry the desires out and its teachings like the ones you listned to that have taken my joy and put fear in me and also confused me so much
I don't know what sin you struggle with, but it sounds like you've got a battle on your hands, brother! 1ST.Make sure you REST in Christ's provision on the cross as the 100% payment for that sin.
2ND Deny ungodliness and lusts that war against the spirit.
If you are born again by trusting Jesus you have two natures: flesh(old sinful man) and the new creature(spirit). Whatever one you feed will reign in this body.
Romans 6:13 KJV
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Are you feeding sin or yeilding to worldly things, movies, music, friends, books, porn, coveting, selfishness, anger, money.
Or are you yielding to the spirit to change you in, discipleship, discipline, Gods word, worship, fellowship with church friends, Godly abstinence for a spouse, sharing the gospel to the lost, whatever it might be do to the glory of God.
Whatever you feed will alway affect your joy for better or worse.
Rest in Him that none of your works will earn salvation, but also don't yeild to carnalitly for it will ruin your usefulness here and the abundant life. Hope this helps!
Always remind yourself God will never leave you or forsake you Romans 8:39, and he cares for you and if you make a mistake again come to him in boldness knowing that if you confess to him he is faithfully already forgiven it! 1JOHN 1. Im Praying for you whats your name?
Hours works may be burned up an you may be taken early but ur salvation is with the lord keep praying try fasting an prayer for 72, hours stay in prayer do it on a weekend when u can focus on Christ see how ya are after it
@@GRACE4LYFE Amazing biblical wisdom brother!
@@jameswilson9361 I know this maybe tough to answer but how do you know if youve trusted in Christ properly ? I believe He died for my sins and believe He paid for my sins and I know and believe He is Gid in the flesh I accepted and believed 8 years ago
I had peace and hunger for God like never before I never had it before that I remember but then I fell back into an old sin and also I heard so many different teachings I got confused and just became a mess to put it simply but thankfully I foujd this ministry and im so greatful its helping me have more joy in Christ and wanting to turn from wrong things although it wont happen overnight its a start. 😄 I warch some movies but not sinful ones I love Superman as you can probably tell 😅 a movie also brought me to Christ 1 called Jesus of Nazateth God reached me through it I saw what Jesus did for me and what my sin was and what it did to Him etc I really want that relationship and to please Him for sure I hate sin 🙂
@@GRACE4LYFE Great idea ive been meaning to for a while I will do it eventually I think it maybe needed 😄
It’s important to understand that they are all saved, brothers and sisters, regardless of their wrong theology of what happens after being sealed with the Holy Spirit. Wrong Theology is crippling to growth, fellowship, works, spiritual gifts, etc, but they are still brothers and sisters.
It's unfortunate that I used to believe like they did not too long ago, but the hypocrisy is written all through their theology because they dont quite understand what is required for salvation. God's standard is Jesus level perfection. If we could lose our salvation based on our behavior than we would have already and theres no getting it back. Its either we are saved by being sinless after salvation or we are saved by grace through faith alone. Conditional security actually turns you into a worker of inquity because as a Christian you still sin which if we're honest, all it takes is one sin to go to Hell, not living a lifestyle of sin. Conditinal security makes people trust in something other than Christ and thats why it is straight from Hell.
31:09 figuring out which is which is necessary. Because after I received Baptism of the Holy Spirit and then went out and did what a wicked spirit asked me to do from out side( I didn't fully comprehend that was the wicked spirit) the result was that that spirit either latched onto me again or just hadn't separated as it was supposed to ( circumcision of the heart). So I still had that presence of the New Nature, but my garment of the whole armour of God was damaged, I didn't die physically but perhaps that was close( not that close) to what Ananias and Sapphira
faced after lying to the Holy Spirit. And again, why apostle says "beware of idols", it is always reference to latching on of the wicked spirit. So how do we qualify that? Because this is what 2 Peter says - it is that giving your mind to under influence og the wicked spirits again and it is damages our nature and our soul and physical connection to the Word mad flesh. So how do we qualify that? What do we call that damage?
Are there levels of apostasy?
Sure you can take a gift back reject it after accepting it or keep it.
The gift giver does not control what the gift reciever does with the gift
That way God gave us and the angels free will to accept or reject his gifts or replace them or give it back.
That shows if our fauth is real ot not.
If he forces us to keep them and believe then the belief if forced meaning false belief.
He's right. It is for God to judge those who were enlightened but then choose to go back to sacrifice. The way I see it however, just as he says, how could someone turn away apostasize from something they supposedly have faith in? I almost wonder if they even truly had faith to begin. It's like learning and believing the sky is blue all your life and then suddenly one day you turn around and say "nope. I don't believe the sky is blue anymore." How could you? Did you honestly believe the sky was blue to begin with or did you just follow what everyone else told you? In that case, only God knows their hearts.
I am from India.
What bible says about counterfeit miracles pastor?
Done by Hindus and muslim religion.
What is different between Satan miracles vs Jesus miracles? Pastor
Miracles are nothing but a demonstration of power and abilities. What is important beyond any other thing for us humans is if we believe in what Jesus did for us on the cross. That He died for us to pay for all our sin and put us in right standing before God, giving us eternal life. It is by the blood of Jesus we are saved and by no other means.
We must BELIEVE on Jesus. And trust and rely on Jesus alone.
Pastor Jesse, I have a massive problem with jealousy. I’m often spiritually attacked with the image of my partner being with someone else if I died. I’m tormented by this image. Which makes me jealous every time another guy even looks at my girlfriend. It’s awful. I am in spiritual turmoil. It’s not a great place I’m in currently. I don’t wish to place forward a problem I have and expect you to solve it but I just wished to be open with my struggles.
James 3:14-16 - But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice.
Jealousy/Envy can be very dangerous for yourself and the person who is the object of your jealousy. Dangerous for you because that person becomes a more important focus for you than God. Dangerous for the person because if they leave you,while you are still alive, will you let them go? Or will your jealousy prevent them from leaving you.
The main thing you need to do is give your issue to the Lord in prayer. God knows the depth of our hearts and what we struggle with in our flesh. Rely on his word and the help of the Holy Spirit within you to help you overcome jealousy.
I myself struggle with envy. It is a constant battle. But God is showing me the way out of it.
Philippians 4:6-7
New King James Version
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
God bless.
When Paul states in I Corinthians 3:13 that "Every man's work shall be made manifest..." he is referring to the "ministers by whom ye believed...", because there was strife and divisions in the lay. Their (Apollo, Paul, and Cephas) works (gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, and stubble) were to be revealed by fire, not the lay (as in the false Bema judgment). Because the likes of Cephas (Peter) in his ministry was inclined to include Judaizer requirements (circumcision) to the gospel, which Paul manifestly contested in his missive to the Galations.
5:00 It is a relief, it is. But when you see from what hight you fell from and what riches squandered and how many people you had beed put above were affected.... that burns, I mean it.
Thing is there is a grade to backsliding, you may kinda still be hanging from above on you ripped New Nature, but it is something, it is still something. and if a person new that in such situation he must enjoy what's left and refuse from trying to get renewed again, and just act like JAcob( doing what God still says directly to your heart and ignore the rules- take that "Eusa's lessing") he still would be good enough. But backsliding exacerbates be still trying to make it perfect on the outside, following the written letter that kills and quenching by it the living still tangible connecting to the New Nature.
Do you believe one can be a false convert, I wonder. That's the only way I can think of my past self, because after being raised with great affection for Jesus, I fell into a sinful lifestyle, calling myself an atheist for four years. When I realised how meaningless it all was, and what I'd given up, I mourned my disobedience and wickedness, begging God to forgive me. Reading Hebrews broke me all over again, and I thought I had no hope at restoration.
The thing is, since I've come back to Jesus, I FEEL my sin, which I never ever did before I fell away. I was never convicted of my huge anger outbursts or my dreadful disrespect of my parents, or lying or gossip, etc, etc, etc.
I find it hard to think that I could have had the Holy Spirit while having no faith, laughing at Christians. I might have to wait till I get to heaven to find out if I was a lost sheep, who Jesus left the 99 to bring back, or if I was new to the fold several years ago.
Amen 2ns peter were unsaved herertics
"Ex rules" a person followed before he received his New Nature don't aplly to him any longer. This is what a catechism must start with.( followed with examples from the Hebrews).
24:20 it is actually the same to what Jesus Christ said about the returning of the seven more wicked.
Joe does not understand ReBIRTH of the SPIRIT into a NEW CREATION because of ...JESUS. ( Faith in Jesus.)
The author of Hebrews was explaining why no more sacrifice of bulls and goats will be accepted as atonement for sin. Jesus had paid it ALL. He's literally addressing Jews.
Everybody needs to ignore all of this and read the apocryphon of John and the hypostasis of the archons immediately. If we are to withstand what is coming to our world, you must read.
Great teaching! This is why I think the same kind of fire in the lake of fire is the same kind of spiritual fire a the bema seat. The difference is, the lake of fire will burn them up since they don't have their glorified bodies but will refine us.
There will be no sin in our glorified bodies to refine out. All of our sin was nailed to the cross 2000 years ago.
Amazing works how bitter the sound, that can't save a wretch like me! I'll always be lost because in sin I'm bound, when in Christ I don't believe.
Galatians 3:26...For ye are all children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Ephesians 1:11-14...11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, YE WERE SEALED with that holy Spirit OF PROMISE,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
1st John 5:13...13 These things have I written unto you THAT BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye may KNOW that ye HAVE eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Jesus died and rose agian if you believe that he died and rose and were saved by grace through faith alone you will be saved. Once Saved Always saved no need to repent from your sins for salvation. m
What I can never wrap my head around is if you're saved, once you've believed in Jesus Christ, what if you turn away from Jesus and become a false teacher, or an Atheist, a Satanist, or something detestable to God? I was hoping this video would answer that question.
I think it would be incredibly rare for a true Christian to do any of those things. If you were to probe them about their previous beliefs, you would find that they never really trusted in Christ alone for salvation. When ever I hear someone say they were once a believer, but now they aren't, I think that they didn't really believe. True believers will persevere till the end.
Aaron, it is possible. The Hebrews did that very thing. They left Jesus for animal sacrifice and law practice. The writer of Hebrews was explaining to them that they were saved by Jesus when they believed in Him, and there is no need to sacrifice in animals to further receive any payment for sin. They already had eternal life. The act of them sacrificing animals again for salvation is equivalent to the idea of putting Jesus back on the cross as though his sacrifice was not enough. This would be a form of apostasy and lack of belief in the truth. The author never doubts their salvation though.
To answer the other guy.
You can’t say someone “never believed.” You’re fruit inspecting their life. It’s not the fruit that determines if a person is saved, but it’s the root: belief. If they did believe at one point, it is POSSIBLE to fall away into apostasy, but the falling away doesn’t eliminate their salvation. Believers can do this: Corinth, Ephesus, Laodicea, Hebrews, Galatia, etc…
Willful sin, as bad as it is, and as shameful/disgraceful as it is, is still PAID by the blood. Heb. 10:10-14
- Trent
@markjohnson9402 yeah, I've always considered the rocky soil parable, or 1 John 2:19. But I have wondered that if you've truly believed in the Gospels and fall into sin, and I mean some terrible sin, you would have to answer for it. Jesus gave us all commandments. I don't follow them to become saved. I follow them because I was saved. But there are people who become abusive and wicked. I find it hard to believe God wouldn't hold them accountable. You can't abuse your salvation and take advantage of God like that.
Although I am not writing about a false teacher, I have experienced an example of someone who, with full knowledge and understanding of the gospel and
the promise of eternal life- openly and firmly said "I don't want your God or your Jesus".
The 37 year old stage 4 cancer patient knew full well he was hell bound...he said so, but rejected Christ anyway.
That is a scary thought, is it not?
Regarding believers, we are still in the flesh, with corrupt bodies; and frankly that means we are capable potentially of wandering off into serious error.
That could be adultery, murder-or even losing our faith and walking away from Christ.
Thankfully, we don't keep ourselves saved, our Lord keeps us!
Full knowledge of the Gospel doesn't mean this person was born again. Unless a person is filled with Holy Spirit, they are not saved.
:12 seconds in he changed scripture (the one against osas) and says "for which 'they' were sanctified".
Scripture does not say they, it says he.
The person sanctified here listed as "he" is Jesus.
Jesus was sanctified.
say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world John 10:36
The verse is saying to the Hebrews, of that time, who wanted to go back to Judaism and the law to sacrifice animals for sin thay we will sin wilfully (and we will because it says we) and if we do there isn't a sacrifice we can do now, since christ is the sacrifice and he sacrificed once for all sin.
And if you go back on that and back to your old sacrifice for sins, you put yourself back under the law of Moses and you are going to have sore punishment because you despised the new way of dealing with sin, and that's Jesus.
If the word did say "they" than it would have an entirely new meaning to that verse, but it says he, meaning a man, not man and women (they or us) and that man (he) is Jesus.
Then it says the Lord will judge his people, did not Jesus judge his people (Israel) in 70ad by destroying 660,000 jews at the hand of the Romans. Yes he did, the verse came true for them who despised Christ's grace, the Hebrews.
Wow that makes sense
ALL sin is WILFULLY done
Just replying to one comment. They ask, can there be false converts? In my opinion, most people that claim the title of Christian are false converts. And only for one single reason John3:3
aren't the gifts of God irrevocable?
25:38 It directly means that before (say your brain) was under the broadcast from the wicked spirits, so you, your spirit and especially your brain didn't know the truth, had no connection to it. And Now the Broadcast of the Holy Spirit broke through those spirits' broadcast(lies ) and now you perceive the what is what directly from God - that is how we escape the pollution of the world, we escape from even perception and wicked spirits' lies.
Sir, are you familiar with Les Feldick? He's with his Lord now but you would enjoy him.
Have you ever read the wonderful verse Romans 16:25 . What a verse about Paul's gospel!!!!
To me it sounds like they are saying.....If you try not to sin then you are Saved, but if you sin you can lose it! It's all based on you and not what Christ did and the free gift of salvation when you trust him.
NOT for ARROGANT, CRUEL, MERCILESS, and DECEITFUL PERSONS
GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4
is
NOT for arrogant, cruel, merciless, and deceitful persons on earth
but
ONLY for lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons
who
honor Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful Master and Heavenly King
and obey his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26.
The LIES and DECEPTIONS of CHRISTIANS and ALL RELIGIONS
Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions
who trick and deceive their own families and neighbors and Atheists too to believe their LIES and false teachings and doctrines about
"hellfire", "afterlife", "immortality of the souls", "Armageddon", "Trinity", "reincarnation", and "rapture"
will
definitely bring nothing but dishonor, disgrace, shame and ETERNAL DEATHS to themselves, their families and neighbors, and to all Atheists too
while
the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
guarantees
that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth
who
died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others
will
all be RESURRECTED back to life GOD's right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity
under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
All sin is willful we all know better so if that were the case no one would be saved
Read numbers 15, there is an intentional sin and a sin of ignorance
@@breakingarodofcorrectionov5646 okay maybe not all sin but i think it can be argued for the most part we doing it by our own will
Apostocia means departure not fall away from faith!
I've always wondered, like with King Solomon since he fell into apostasy with other gods. I think he was a Saint but didn't finish well?? Be good to know what the bible says on him.
This will Offend a Lot of ❄️ Snowflakes. But if you don't believe in OSAS, then you're Not Saved because you are Trusting in your Works to get you to Heaven.
I would agree somewhat, especially for the false ones teaching it Or if they believed that the whole time of saying they got saved, then they never trusted Christ.
But the galatians were still probably saved yet going back to their Judaism works, being deceived to believe they had to earn right standing before God.
Gotta be careful because if we cant say a true undiscipled Christian could be deceived after belief then its still like the Calvinists who says perseverance is required for salvation. That is why discipleship after being saved is of UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
So, it's ok to go to the bar on Saturday night and party, get drunk etc.etc. then go to church on Sunday? It's seems from the people that I talk to seems that this is ok. I disagree. This subject needs to be taught and preached to new Christians so that they know that you do have to WORK as a Christian. Don't bother trying to change my mind about this. We do have to work when we are Christians, we can't continue in the same lifestyle we were before.
It’s not okay. It’s not okay at all. Shame on the Believers who do continue in sin. Romans 6:1 - “Shall we continue?” “God Forbid.”
It doesn’t ever remove the possibility (key word here - it’s possible) of a believer living or continuing in a lifestyle of sin. That’s the whole reason the majority of scripture is directed toward believers living sanctified, holy lives.
The problem is introduced when you claim the lifestyle as the reason by which you do have or do not have eternal life. That’s incorrect. Jesus Christ is the reason you do have or do not have eternal life. Have you believed in Him? Saved. Done. It’s finished. No lifestyle could ever change that. John 3:18
- Trent
@@djohnson3736 No one on this channel is saying to go down to the bar and get drunk. There will be consequences for doing such, just as there will for false accusing brothers and false teaching.
The question is 'What type of work gets you into heaven and does that person have to be 100% perfect???'
The answer is YES. YOU HAVE TO BE PERFECT. Without blemish.
That's only accomplished through the blood of Jesus, and being born again.
Once born again, you have a choice on whether to be obedient or disobedient as the whole Bible shows all saints were both at times. Moses, David, Lot sinned at times. Noah got blasted DRUNK. Should we do the same. NO. Should we sin now that we are under grace? NO
Was there a consequence for their sin? Yes. Did they lose their salvation for their sin? No because it was by faith in God.
David was a murderer, adulterer, and disobedient child of God. Which of his sins weren't forgiven?
Romans 4:6-8
[6] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, [7] saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, And whose sins are covered. [8] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
WHAT will give us wind in our sails to actually stop sin in our lives??
Probably the grace and forgiveness of Jesus' WORK on the cross
Done once for all!!
@jameswilson9361 sorry if I seemed to be implying anyone on this channel. Not what I was doing. I was just saying that preachers, teachers make this subject sound like what I said earlier. Not anyone here I apologize if it seemed so. It saddens me that preachers never move past to the next goal for a young Christian. If you want be saved, yes all it takes is the blood of Jesus it's done already. Nobody tells them they do have a job as a saved Christian to learn, which is work, witness and testify also work. It's talked about as far as believing in Jesus and that's it. They don't get taught to study and show themselves approved. I know the salvation part is so, but nobody teaches the duties that come after.
These folks never read Romans 7:14-25?!
Whats your understanding of it?
25:40 No, its conversion and deliverance. They did believe. But It is just like in the seven mire wicked parable, parable of talents, parable of soils, 3d commandment of decalogue and so on.
3d commandment meaning- you called on God, He came, and now ypu resist Him, don't act aligned to Him, of course He won't cleanse you( deuteronomy) of course you will be punished ( Exodus).
Every sin we commit is willful. We are secure in Christ. I have eternal life now. Jesus died for all of my sins! No born again child of God will ever be cast into hell. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ! He is the Saviour! I can’t lose what I didn’t earn!
1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
it means don't die
If you know apostasy has consequences then why would you become apostate? God says don't; therefore, I won't - problem solved.
2 Peter 1 specifically states that these false teachers denied the sovereign Lord who bought them "bringing swift destruction on themselves".
The teachers would have been baptized, and processed their faith etc. If this text is not a clear indicator that you can step out of Gods grace I dont know what is.
To know how to escape, and to actually escape are very different.
The Apostle Paul stated several times he was fearful that he had labored in vain, when hearing reports about gentile converts straying from the way he preached to them. If its OSAS why was he fearful?
What does it mean to actually believe? Which may be the real issue here. How many people who profess to believe are actually deceiving themselves? Professing faith in Christ while simultaneously indulging in sin. A faith which bears no fruit is a dead faith.
From a human perspective it may look like fellow Christians have made genuine conversions. But God knows our secrets and the inner workings of our hearts.
Let's say someone once truly believed OSAS, even got promises from God regarding Eternal Security, and then was really disappointed by some actions of God in his/her life and decides willingly do evil in the sight of God, seek and do orgies, and think that for he/she it is acceptable to live this way until death and suffer consequences of such actions, and after death Eternity with God is also acceptable. This one will be Saved?
All rewards will be lost if he/she got anything before such actions, or some rewards still be left for him/her?
That person would have a really short miserable life, the chastisement of God is not to be messed with. But only God is the judge as to that man if he truly took God by faith in the beginning. LOT a just man and righteousness before God lived in Sodom and stood at the gate(city coucil) his life was blown to smithereens. But he was justified by faith we are told. But don't be like him, walk circumspectly denying ungodliness. God rewards our faithfulness in the kingdom 1Cor 3
As 1Corinthians 3 says. The wood hay stubble will be burn up. Gold silver will survive the fire.
Peter denied the lord Jesus but he will still reign with him on a throne. So I'm thinking God doesn't forget what we've done for the least of these. Remember the sermon on the mount, Jesus said whomever gives a cup of cold water to the least on these will NOT LOSE HIS reward. Matt 10:42
God repays either good or evil. But the saved ones will never be under his condemnation Romans 8:1
If this person once believed, upon believing they are sealed and figuratively they are now dead and there life is hid with God. Colossians 3:3.
Now doing those sins, they will suffer consequences here for sure in this life.
Even if they quit believing for a time because if we believe not God still abides faithful because he can not deny himself that was born in you (christ in you)
2 Timothy 2:13
As far as rewards and losing them, it's hard to say with Mathew 20 1-6.
God paid the workers in the Vinyard all the same reward, irregardless if they worked for one minute or all day. And the ones who worked all day were ticked off. God said he was good and wanted to give all equal.
Some Christians in this life think they will get rewarded with much more than others based on their behavior but I see it as we all will get equal.
In Luke 18:13 we have a perfectly law keeping righteous pharasise and a heathen publican who refers to himself as a sinful man, yet Christ justified the sinners attitude towards himself more than the righteous one. It's all about the heart. I want to do good but can't, who will save me attitude Paul had in Romans 7 is a great one to have in your heart.
Back to rewards, even the fallen sinful backsliding ones. I actual hope they get more because they are going to live a tough miserable life here and I'd love to see them get as much as some perfect Christians, full of works.
That would be some crazy grace wouldn't it? Almost unbelievable! We will see and I am 60% sure I'm right, haha hopefully. 😅
Matthew 10:42 KJV
[42] And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
Seems to indicate some rewards might NOT be lost. I'm with ya but let's press towards the prize brother!
Awesome conversation here. I can read the comments and tell you guys are true brothers.
1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3And this will we do, if God permit. 4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY AMEN BELIEVE THE GOSPEL 1ST CORINTHIANS 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that Which I also received, how that CHRIST died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that HE was buried, and that HE rose again the third day according to the scriptures: my friends that is the GOSPEL the GOSPEL MEANS GOOD NEWS THE DEATH BURIAL AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST Ephesians 2:8&9 For by GRACE are ye SAVED through FAITH; and that not of YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT OF GOD: 9 Not of WORKS, lest any man should boast .
4:35 And that's the delicate thing- If you are building with GOLD and Precious Stones nothing is a sin, if you used to do smth but a hay and thistles came out - that was a sin. Now when you are filled with the Gold - you can build whatever you want from that Gold if IT allows, let alone urges. And people backslide- cause they say - Oh that used to be a sin in my ex life and they don't go there, they suppress themselves and quench the Holy Spirit. This is how it happens. ( And nit only Stephen Anderson a preacher widely banned but whom I like to hear from, but even you "free gracers" reserve to the law. All who didn't, who said that it was just about the spirit you conduct( by faith)- all were killed, starting with Jesus Christ, then Euchites, then Anabaptists.
Christians still sin dude.
1 John 5:16-17 KJV
[16] If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. [17] All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
1 John 2:1 KJV
[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
The dilemma is if Jesus forgave all your sins past present future. If you want to know sin look at the perfect law.
Steven Anderson is pretty inflammatory. Idk if I'd base my interpretation on him. Look to the scriptures my friend.
I do like how Stephen retracted on some of his statements on confessing Jesus as lordship to be saved, with that problem with the NIFB. But hes been wrong before on the way christians should conduct themselves in this world.
Like I said he gets inflammatory.
What you said about nothing being a sin, that almost contradicts everything Stephen has said in the past. He's very adamant against sin, even saying a previous homosexual could never be saved. If you continue to watch him I'd say compare it with scripture before you agree with his take.
@31:41 2 Peter 2:22 is speaking of dogs and pigs. Dogs (in other Bible contexts) are unbelieving Gentiles (see the interaction with Jesus and the Gentile woman about not giving the children's food to the little dogs - Matthew 15:26). And the pig was an unclean animal.
Where in scripture are God's true believers compared to these two animals? Believers are referred to as God's sheep. That's why Jesus is referred to as the Good Shepard. Not the good pig herder or dog wrangler.
I compare dogs returning to their vomit and pigs to the mire, with Jesus' explanation of someone being delivered from an unclean spirit, then repossessed. Just because the unclean spirit is cast out does not mean that person is saved. If they then do not invite the Holy Spirit into the empty, and swept clean, space then the original evil spirit will realize their former home is still empty. And will then find a group of spirits more wicked than itself to go and inhabit that place even more firmly than before. So that the last state of that man is worse than before.
Jesus warned the Jews of His day that is what would happen to the nation after His departure. He swept many clean (cast out many devils) and taught true doctrine. But many did not believe. And the state of bondage that was coming later on would be worse than if they had never been swept clean. Matthew 12:43-45
Same with these verses in Peter. To whom much is given, much is required. And the more you know about the gospel, and the way of truth, and then reject it, the worse your punishment. The dogs and pigs may have been washed, by mere exposure to the truth. But it's obvious they were not one of God's sheep. So they returned to activities dictated by their unredeemed natures (returning to vomit and wallowing in the mire).
So it's clear to me that the people being referred to in 2 Peter 2:22 are not former redeemed believers who somehow lost their salvation. Because salvation cannot be lost.
Can people gain benefits (like being washed, or being the recipient of miracles) from being near to the kingdom of God (by being around true believers)? Yes. But that makes their punishment for their unbelief all the worse. See all of the woes that Jesus pronounced against the cities that He and His disciples taught in, that did not believe.
Matthew 11:20-24
20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. 23 And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.”
Id like see a video what it means believe in vain is that someone who says theyd believed in faith but then turned to works like became catholic or orthodox id say thatd be belive in vain they said they believed in faith but in end mever really trusted in it so they converted in it. Because ive talked catholics who said theybonce was faith alone so there not worried now because if faith is right then there still saved snnif cdtholucd are right therr saved there also its like playing all positions to cover themselves in all aspects an that dont settle right in my spirit somehing seems very off with that
Which verse bro?
Even when we are faithless he is faithful and can not deny himself. If they ever believed then they are saved if they have turned to other faiths other then the gospel then they are now in Galatian error or straight apostates
@@YHWHJ316 this one bro I've always wondered or like a example what it means believe in vain Corinthians 15
King James Version
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
@@YHWHJ316 so there is a belief which is false I just don't know what an my spirit tells me those that say hey I believed in faith so that I can go to whatever I like an if there doctrine is wrong Im saved anyways cause I once believed just in frith it grieves me immensely because something about that just don't seem right like hey imma believe in faith first just so that way what I'm about go believe is wrong I'm okay because I one believed by faith like that settled fine with everyone else to me it just don't seem right an that verse says there saved unless they believed in vain an nobody can answer what that vain belief might be nobody will answer it
@@YHWHJ316 like I get where somebodyight be of the faith an get mad at God switch religions or become atheist but for someone say they believed just incase there new religion is wrong or don't care about if there doctrine is wrong because they once believed by faith so there alright anyways just seems so wrong
Either Jesus is the Covenant- keeping God-man or he isn't.
Either you are in covenant with him by faith through grace- or you aren't.
There is no middle ground.
New Creation or old one.
Period.
End of story.
I'm trusting that Jew to save me and keep me saved..
Works of FAITH are not the same as works of the law. They are the fruits of the Spirit... indicative of someone who is truly saved. There is NO law against the works of the Spirit, of which faithfulness and self control are described.
Galatians 5:22-25
[22] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [23] gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. [24] And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [25] If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
That doesn't make sense, unless you believe that people in the OT were saved by following the law or if you believe the law was bad. Remember, the law is summarized by loving God and loving your neighbor. If you love your neighbor, wouldn't that be both keeping the law and baring fruit?
That why The apostle Paul is our apostle Amen JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY Romans through Philemon
Pastor Jesse you spoken error. Greek word for judgement in Hebrews 10 is not the same Greek word found in 2 Cor 5:10. Hebrews 10 is in no way talking about the judgement of believers.
Why does the passage say “the Lord shall judge His people?”
- Trent
Hebrews 10:30 the author is quoting from Deuteronomy 32:35-36. Why?
Hebrews 10:28 the author is stating he that despised Moses law died without mercy.
Hebrews 10:29 the author is now asking the question to Jewish believers, how much sore the punishment suppose you will receive for
1. Who hath trodden underfoot the Son of Man
2. Hath counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing
3. Hath done despite unto the spirit of Grace.
Hebrews 10:30 the author quotes Deuteronomy 32:35,36.
Hebrews 10:31 the author tells the Jewish believers it’s a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Without Christ you fall in the hands of the living God
With Christ mercy.
The first person to espouse the idea of "once saved, always saved" was John Calvin in the mid.16th century. Even Martin Luther did not subscribe to this teaching. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of early Christians was that a person is capable of losing salvation by committing a grave sin without repentance as John spoke about in 1.John 5:16-17.
No suggestion of once saved, always saved can be found on the lips of any Christian before Calvin.
We don’t espouse Calvin’s teachings. The doctrine of eternal security is found in the Bible. Ephesians 1:12-14 and 4:30 should be plenty enough to convince one of the truth.
- Trent
I have no religion but I believed what is written in the Bible they are all came from GOD. Once saved always saved, Faith alone, Eternal security, Truly saved, Jesus Christ paid it all even future sins and these beliefs are not written in the Bible they are all human logic and only preach what are written in the Bible no interpretation needed do not use other bible verses to contradict other verses.
What we must do is to read and believe what is written in the Bible without the interference from the church leaders and pray to our Lord JESUS CHRIST directly for help.
What I don't understand didn't Judas have faith in Jesus and who he was because he followed him for three and a half years. Also, Judas did more than some Christians do he left his family and friends and even his job to follow Jesus. That takes a lot of faith to give up everything to follow Christ. And I believe he was lost in the end. Thanks
John 17:12, that's why it is believed that he wasn't saved.
Judas was not a believer in Jesus as a personal savior. He would have been one of the ones in Matthew 7:21-23. He still trusted in the law and his righteousness rather than in Jesus.
@@anbreadnut it was prophesied in Psalm 41:9 that he would betray Jesus. He had free will and chose wrong.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1npthat doesn't answer the question though. That'd be like asking how do you get saved and I say it was prophesied some will believe and some won't. Judas did not actually believe. He is a perfect example of why we can't judge someone by outward actions.
@@anbreadnut he was never a believer. We are saved by faith and not by our works. Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5 we will display good works as a result of our salvation. James 2:17. Some people claim to know God but deny him by the way they live. Titus 1:16. And some people freely turn away from their salvation. Hebrews 6. :4-6 some people appear also to be saved but are not. Matthew 7:22 -23 and Luke 13 when Jesus says I never knew you.
You have a watered down gospel and also a watered down definition of “Salvation”
What is it supposed to be hard and confusing lol
You are deceived
No it doesn't need to be hard. It's not Harvard law schools 12 steps to salvation.
Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved.
You can't water that down but you can add to that, which I'm sure you do!
You and the Pharisees would get along really well.
God dont do that
the adversaries of Christ are the those who were in Jerusalem when it was destroyed in 70 ad.
Christ is the Savior of the whole world, even rotten sinners, which is ALL men. There are no good people.
Hebrews 6:11 And we desire that everyone of you do shew the same diligence to the FULL ASSURANCE OF HOPE unto the end.
Full assurance of Salivation (HOPE).
Understand the GOD of The Bible. He is Good. He doesn't change when you sin. Your mind must have the full assurance, its your mind that must trust in the Lord with all your heart.
Understand salvation. Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith.
God is the savior and will not share His Glory with anyone. He GIVES it away to everyone who believes.
We are deceived, the job of the Christian it to fight the good fight of FAITH>Helmet of Salvation protects the mind, Breastplate of God's Righteousness, etcetera
I dont bellieve saved peoplew can preavh a false gospel
Oh my good ness. These guys don’t understand Heb 10:26. The entire book of Hebrews is to inform the Jews of their new covenant and greater sacrifice Jesus. All 10:26 is saying is that anyone who rejects the sacrifice of Christ willfully will suffer damnation. This has nothing to do with a saved person committing a sin willfully. David, Moses snd Sampson all committed willful sin. We are under grace once we in Christ. If we do sin, Christ is our propitiation 1 John 2:2.
Furthermore, no sin can be imputed to a believer Rom 4:8. Why? It’s been covered by the cross.
@@fernandodeleon4115 that’s not even my point. The point is Heb 10:26 is about willfully rejecting the sacrifice of Christ not some arbitrary persistent sin a person is committing.
@@fernandodeleon4115 they did. Peter n the boys endured by the power of Christ.
@@fernandodeleon4115 again, I’m not talking about that. I’m talking about people who use that verse to say we can lose salvation. You’re off on a completely different subject
1 John 5:13 says - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
💥 What are "these things"(plural) that John wrote?
Some of "these things"(plural) that John wrote are…
Keep His commandments
1 John 2:3- And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 - Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him
Walk the way Jesus did
1 John 2:6 - whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
Practice righteousness
1 John 2:29 -If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
Believe and love
1 John 3:23 - And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
Abide in God by keeping His commandments
1 John 3:24 - Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.
Love one another
1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.
Keep His commandments
1 John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
Abide in Him
So when John said -
1. I write these things
2. to you who believe in the name of the Son of God
3. that you may know that you have eternal life
We can see that some are…
Keep His commandments
Walk
Practice
Believe
Love
Abide and Obey
By DOING these we can KNOW that we KNOW Him.
💥 Who are the "you" that John says "believe in the name of the Son of God"?
The "you" are those that are presently believing in the Son. 1 John 5:13 does not offer salvation assurance to those who once believed in the Son in the past, but now no longer believe in the Son in the present.
According to the context, people who believe in the Son are the ones who "presently" believe in the Son.
Look at verse 12. It says
Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 Jn. 5:12, ESV)
Note that this verse does not say, whoever HAD the Son has life. It says that whoever HAS the Son HAS life. "HAS" is present tense.
With the present tense still in mind, John repeated the same truth, but this time in the negative, “he who does not have (present-tense) the Son of God does not have(present tense) life”.
He goes on to say in 2 John 4-6
4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
5 And now I ask you, dear lady-not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning-that we love one another.
6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.
So 1 & 2 John destroy "faith alone" and "OSAS".
Leave calvin out---just stay with God's Word. What is man ?? Only God knows if calvin was saved at all. If we ARE SAVED we WILL persevere because HE is our perseverance
I believe that yall along with most of these people in this world are going to find out just how wrong yall are......leading people to believe that they can commit all the sins they want to commit no matter how bad or how many.......SALVATION IS NOT A FREE PASS TO COMMIT ALL THE SINS YOU WANT .......NO MATTER HOW BAD OR HOW MANY........JESUS DIDNT DIE ON THE CROSS SO THAT WE COULD KEEP RIGHT ON SINNING UNTIL WE DIE .........ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED.......YOU ARE ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED AS LONG AS YOU STAY SAVED........GOD DONT FORCE US TO GET SAVED AND GOD DONT FORCE US TO STAY SAVED..
......WE STILL HAVE THE CHOICE TO FALL AWAY.......TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE...........TO BACKSLIDE.......
Salvation is not based on how good of a life you live
You are in error so stop
It must be hell for you always worried about if you are good enough
So according to this Pastor, a Christian can become an apostate and they will still go to Heaven when they die?
A person who is an apostate is infested with sin. Such a person could become a blasphemer, an abuser, an adulterer. If what this Pastor says here is true, a Christian could renounce his faith, become an Islamic extremist, and kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent people, some who may be servants of Christ, and yet would still have eternal security with Christ after death.
That is an ungodly, unholy, wicked, evil doctrine!
For the record, in 1 Corinthians 3 the fire consumes the works that were not built on the foundation of Christ, which strikes at the heart of service out of wrong motives. In Hebrews 10, the fire devours the adversaries of which the apostate now is - an enemy of God. When the writer of Hebrews says there is no more sacrifice for sin he is not referring to the animal sacrifices. He is referring to those who sin willfully (become apostate to Christ). Once a person become apostate to Christ, there is no more offering for sin. Jesus was the once for all sacrifice for our sins. There is nothing beyond him that can save you.
Christ’s sacrifice being “once for all” means that there is no longer any need for offerings for sins. Jesus’ sacrifice will cleanse us and keep on cleaning us when we sin if we continue in faith towards Christ. When the writer of Hebrews says that he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified, he is not saying it in a OSAS connotation. He is saying it in a comparative sense, in contrast to the Old Testament sacrifices. Those sacrifices had to be offered over and over again because they could not put away sin, but Jesus's sacrifice puts away sin from those who come to him. The person who turns against Christ, and who sins willfully is no longer under the provision of Christ's sacrifice cleansing them of their sins. There is no offering for sin beyond Jesus, thus the use of the language, "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" for them they have forsaken the Living God. This is why there is only a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. That is not the same as the fire burning up the works. This is the eternal fire of God's judgment against sinners.
He isn’t saying “there is no more sacrifice applied to the believer’s account…”
He is saying “there is no more sacrifice BECAUSE Jesus made the only sacrifice for sins that was needed.”
The very fact that Jesus made an eternal payment for all sin is the very reason the one who believes then is eternally secure.
You aren’t secure “as long as you no longer willfully sin.” You’re secure eternally the moment you believe.
You are literally claiming Christ’s sacrifice didn’t cover a certain type or amount of sins when you claim that one is only saved when they stop or start x, y, z.
Those who believe in Christ ONE time have eternal life forever. The ONLY reason a person goes to hell is if they never believed in Christ as their savior. John 3:15-18 makes this abundantly clear, and it coincides perfectly with Hebrews 10:10-14 in light of the rest of context also.
- Trent
What you have just said (and said in the video above) does not fit the flow of thought in Hebrews 10:26-39.
Why is there a fearful looking forward to Judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries for the one who has become apostate (sins willfully), if the sins in his apostasy are already covered and he won’t be held accountable for them?
To inject this ideology which comes out of your explanation doesn’t work with the context and the flow of thought. The reason that the apostate only has a fearful Judgment and fiery indignation to look forward to, is because he is outside of the mercy of God for he has trodden under foot the Son of God, counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and done despite unto the Spirit of grace. Yet you teach that such a person will be eternally secure on the day of Judgment
I have never, ever, heard such a perversion of this section of scripture as you have presented.
The writer of Hebrews says, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
In your video above you claim that the fiery indignation here in Hebrews 10 is the same as the fire that will prove the works of the believer at the judgment seat of Christ in 1 Corinthians 3. That is not true because the fiery indignation in Hebrews 10 is a sorer punishment than those who died without mercy under the law of Moses.
Yet, you are claiming that the one who receives a sorer punishment than those who died without mercy are saved in the Day of Judgment. Not so!
The meaning of this section of scripture is a warning against apostasy because those who turn back and forsake Christ put themselves outside of the covenant of grace and are no longer under the mercy of God which provides cleansing for sins through the precious blood of Christ.
You are teaching serious error by teaching people that if they turn their back on Christ and harden their hearts to the point of no return, they will still be saved. That simply is not true.