I worked for a plastics to fuel company building then running the plants as we scaled up in size. Don’t use 3 or 7. 3 is of coarse pvc and the chlor recombines with the hc and creates hydrocloric acid. Does wonders on the system, destroys fuel system of the engine, and is direct output of acid rain- way worse than the sulfuric base rain created from the old diesel. 7 is basically anything not rate-able so you can get any kind of chemical reaction- absolutely chaos at a chemical level. As you pointed out the styro issue, and without divulging millions in investment knowledge I will just say- don’t run it either. So that eliminates 6 Polypropylene (5) has a high flash point and chem 101 will show you the issues mixing pp with pe. So you can run it, but it is far better to run it in a separate batch as heating losses make it not worth running combined with pe. So...1,2,4. And if you price out 1 & 5, you’ll find recycling value is way more than cost of fuel retail. Also- you need to remove contamination so we learned to shred, wash, and with specific gravity use as separation everything. The amount of shampoo, milk, sugar, etc needed to contaminate a run is ridiculously small. But our pyrolysis chamber was 12’ diameter, just over 30’ long each. So shredding made sense for us to do in separation and cleaning. At home- rinse and let dry in the kitchen or garage. Separation by number. You can definitely use the butane, propane, etc you are just burning off as the heating fuel to continue the process is you make a feed system so you can do continuous feed or run two pyro chambers. Number one non-compressibles to heat unit number 2. Also a better method of eliminating oxygen besides co2 is a vacuum pump when doing a pyro your size. Get the a/c vacuum pump from harbor freight. Then your heating process is better starting below atmospheric pressure. Then look into making a small distillation tower. Product quality improves greatly. You will pull out paraffin which can recrack and speed process greatly. Sally safety warning for doing this at home. Your literally making a bomb. The temperature ratings of say an SF150 flange (150 psi rating obvi) at these temps goes down to a paltry 25psi. 7psi is actually the greatest rate to process at for volume and quality. Learn to regulate there. Have an ability to blow off pressure and expect it to be a fire ball when it occurs. Watch other RUclips videos for what kind of fireball you get from just 1 gallon of gas. Now have it explode at just 10psi. It will turn a 3,000 sq ft house to embers quickly. Remember output is 1:1. 1lbs of plastic equals 1lbs of fuel. Why isn’t this already everywhere: I was in meetings with the head of recycling from Republic and we were planning to obtain their entire supply from the western US. Obama’s epa admin refused to classify this fuel. It doesn’t count as alternative fuel because it is crude base. It doesn’t count as crude base because it has already been processed once. Then the fact that this makes the fuel partial to full (depending on your process and quality) synthetic fuel. So synthetics are a more regulated portion of the hc industry. We hoped Trump would improve it but 2 sides of the same coin. Look at my profile pic - I am not a tree hugger. I also am not pro big oil. I had great hopes for this but unky sam is holding it under thumb for some reason. High volume production cannot break even doing this unless oil prices are above $78 bbl to do it with less than $50M you would have to have fuel above $90 bbl. But thise numbers are all based on government allowing it- which they won’t right now. No new distillation towers are allowed from EPA still that are needed for this process. No reason given other than ‘green’. So until a large change is made in one or both of the political parties, this is going nowhere. I’ve met with the guy running these as power production facilities at waste plants. He is skirting laws barely to do that and isn’t allowed to produce any fuel or output power not consumed on site. Good luck to ya. Be safe, you’re playing with fire on a huge liquid & gaseous pipe bomb.
I fully agree with Hazel Chem: All PE (marked #2 or marked #4), PP (marked #5) and PS (marked #6) plastics must be recycled, not just used as feedstock for pyrolysis oil. The only exception could be if contaminated or very dirty. Hard to remove contamination, fx. paint layer/glue/hardened oils, makes theses types of plastic uneconomical to recycle for the time being. In the near future all contaminated plastics can be recycled, as more chemical recycling plants are being constructed. Contaminants in plastic for chemical recycling are not affected by this process, thus it's possible to recycle virtually all waste plastic; no matter how dirty it is. It's worth noting that PS plastic can cause some problems with the pyrolysis oil. After a few weeks of storage a jelly like substance starts forming at the bottom of the container, then spreads slowly but surely through the whole content. Sometimes the pyrolysis oil already contains jelly like lumps right from production. The solution is to use a catalyst (Zeolite or another of the hydrated aluminosilicate minerals) to crack the molecules during the pyrolysis process. Obvious plastic types for conversion to pyrolysis oil are the thermosetting plastics which cannot be remelted, i.e. epoxy, bakelite (creates formaldehydes), plastics with high filler content (fx. PP with Natrium Carbonate/"Sodium Carbonate"), and similar problematic types. Some of the plastic types in the collective group marked #7 (construction plastics) can be pretty hard to sell, with only a few buyers worldwide, and are therefore mostly pyrolyzed. This is also the case for the odd alloys belonging to the group marked #7 plastics (fx. PMMA/PC, and several other plastic alloys). In order to sell these types, a minimum quantity of 10 or 20 tons of the individual type in each shipment is required for anyone to be interested. Another problem is PE, PP, and PS plastics with added glass fibers (marked: +GF), these are added from 5 to 30% (occasionally up to 50%) glass fibers. During the recycling process the glass fibers will unavoidably break up into tiny short ultra thin glass splinters, thereby loosing their ability to reinforce the plastic; it becomes just an annoying filler. Nobody wants to buy that, so pyrolyzing is the solution. It's worth adding that the biproduct carbon black can neither be sold because it's heavily contaminated with broken glass fibers; though it can be used as fuel in the fire chamber underneath the pyrolysis vessel. The same process goes for glass fiber reinforced resins (fx. hulls from old boats), although technically advanced pyrolysis units can recover the glass fibers as well, provided the glassfibers are long enough and the pyrolysis residue consists of mainly glass fibers (i.e. boat hulls/windmill wings). Be aware that a large part of plastics from WEEE (Waste Electric and Electronic Equipment) contains added Fire Retardants (marked: /FR). These are toxic! They are either Bromine(brominated) or Chlorine(chlorinated) based, and additional hazardous plasticizer- or stabilizer chemicals may also be present in such feedstock. Never try to pyrolyze such material unless you have a professional unit capable of catching these elements and extracting them completely from the pyrolysis oil. Not all plastics from WEEE contains these chemicals, but a thorough sorting is definitely needed. Besides the pyrolysis oil, the Bromine and the Chlorine can be recovered and sold, or used for other chemical reactions in situ. Basically, don't try to pyrolyze PET (marked #1). It contains Terephthalate which will sublime and immediately crystalize as soon as it leaves the hot pyrolysis vessel, thus clogging up the tubes with a possible dangerous explosion as a result. You can sell the clean and/or relative clean part for recycling. In fact the remaining dirty and/or broken pieces can actually be processed, but only by a very sophisticated way of pyrolysis. It's solely possible if you have a highly specialized two stage pyrolysis unit capable of maintaining a precise 700 Celsius temperature in the second chamber; and only if you really know what you're doing! The resulting pyrolysis oil will contain at least 30% Benzene (sometimes over 45%), a highly volatile hydrocarbon compound with a boiling point of 80 Celsius; very useful as a solvent for chemical processes. The Benzene is separated from the pyrolysis oil by fractional distillation. The pyrolysis oil can also be used as fuel, provided you have a closed storage/feeding system for your burner, and a fire chamber capable of maintaining a very high temperature. Benzene is highly carcinogenic and dangerous! Benzene causes central nervous system damage acutely, and bone marrow damage chronically. Spills are also problematic as Benzene vapor is heavier than air and therefore rather difficult to get rid of. Benzene vapor also presents a serious explosion risk! It's popular to pyrolyze old car tires, but this presents a major environmental problem. In the Western World a limit of only max 0.5% sulfur in fuel is allowed. Pyrolysis oil from any kind of rubber feedstock will contain over 5% sulfur! It's forbidden to use as is, but it can be sold to refineries that upgrades such low quality "crude oil" and during the refining process removes the excess sulfur. The carbon black residue, the biproduct of pyrolysis, will also contain sulfur. It's prohibited to burn, but there's no need to try to purify it as it can easily be sold to rubber producers; it already contains the necessary sulfur needed for the rubber synthesis. Generally, stay far away from PVC (marked #3). Tremendous challenges for pyrolyzing this plastic type are present. From a technical view the main problem is it's made of 57% Chlorine. It's the only plastic type containing Chlorine, and it's literally not for amateurs. Chlorine gas will kill you instantly! Seen in a health perspective, all plastics contains some additives, but PVC is the only plastic that always contains a myriad of added hazardous chemicals (10 to 70%), and a small percentage of poisonous Cadmium as well. Plasticizing additives (primarily to soften up the PVC, but also fx. to make it resistant to degradation by sunlight) includes the controversial phthalates (most commonly (di(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate, DEHP) which are carcinogenic and mutagenic (endocrine disruptors)! It's a complicated process to catch and remove all these hazardous contaminants, but certainly worth it. Besides pyrolysis oil it mainly yields a huge quantity of free HCl (Hydrochloric acid), useful for lots of chemical processes; after it has been purified! Due to the Chlorine vapor(gas) attacking almost everything, this process requires a professional well constructed pyrolysis unit, made entirely of acid resistant (high Nickel content, 52%) stainless steel; such as the one I have.
thank you for the very informative comment! It is allays nice to see such well crafted responses. If you like to you can write me an email. I am very interested in having a conversation with another hobby p-reactor builder. My mail is hazelchemistry@gmail.com mfg hazelChem
Are you able to email me? I'm a 2nd-year university student interested in creating a chemical recycling company for plastic, and I'm wondering about your sources and/or role in the plastics industry? You seem very knowledgeable, thus, I think you would be a good contact. Let me know if you're interested in talking, thanks!
You’re full of interesting information, at least to my mind! I’ll be rereading your comments and trying to make notes! I’m a 57 y.o. guy who’s retiring a little bit early but still am interested in turning “waste” into beneficial products! Would you recommend some resources for me to learn more? Thank you in advance!
Very valuable input and I am sure that in a properly controlled environment, these aspects need to be taken into consideration. I however live in Africa where we are face with two major problems, that as far as I am concerned, need to be addressed first before worrying about further finer points of the process ... Firstly we have a massive waste disposal problem that needs urgent attention and in most of the continent the word recycling means very little. Secondly, we have a massive energy crises that needs to be addressed. I would therefore like to get information about a simple and reasonably effective procedure that any household or small group of people could use to get rid of waste in their immediate area while providing some sort of fuel they can use to generate electricity from. While we are cleaning up the environment and providing households with electricity, we can be educating people and refining the processes. How do I combine pyrolysis using plastics to using other carbon based feedstock such as garden and kitchen waste?
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below + you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials = environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
@@Emilthehun INDEED, this is literally how most fuels are processed- right from the get-go. This is chemistry and always takes more energy than what is produced which is OK if you have a plentiful "free-ish" source of "starter" energy-like a team of slaves feeding a fire with beech wood. Wood gasification? YEP, been done before. Microwaved "trash" in order to reduce it back to its base compounds? Yep, that too. Distillation? Yep. Even cooler, no matter the method of fuel production (conversion), the resulting energy always goes back into Earth's energy cycle.
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below + you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials = environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
@@elisabethwittner5539 What you can buy from recycled plastic is just not worth the money. Get's brittle almost the moment you paid for, i just don't want spend money any more for recycled plastics. Better heat the house with.
Elisabeth Wittner their are plastic bottles littering the hole world, this is a failure. Trying to use some of it up is not. Nothing is a perfect.going around kicking everyone in the nuts doesn't help solve any problems!
@@elisabethwittner5539 If you want to have good recycled plastic, the recycling process ist using up much more energy than making new plastic. That's why i think, concentrating in converting the old mixed and smudged stuff into a usable form of energy is a much better way of getting rid of our "plastic waste is killing our world"-Problem. Just the real plant must be self sustaining, not wasting LPG and lit the "waste" gasses. But it's just a matter of converting a prototype into a finished process. The energy it needs to pay for itself and get profit out of it is all already included in the plastic. But i think, separating the plastics in chemical categories is mandatory. The chlorine in PVC must not be handled with such a reactor, for instance.
A few years ago I worked on such a reactor equivalent every few tons of plastic entered. The material could be added continuously without blanking the device
It's already being done like that. Its cool to see home experiments like this and how a machine like this differs from my large scale machines. They are missing some major keys in order make it more efficient but nonetheless impressive for some at home scientists. The real money is in the energy that the oil(most economical is diesel) is able to make. The large scale plants will first be going up in South Korea than India. Our machines will clean the world while making energy clean.
Three thumbs up! As soon as there is a meaningful price on carbon dioxide nobody will (expensively!) burn this precious hydrocarbons (plastics & fuels) but return it as feedstock for a recycling cycle. That’s the future for the petrochemical industry. Everything is there. Even hippies can do it on their island or in a backyard. The only thing missing is a price on carbon dioxide.
@@ssss-df5qz argon is actually rather expensive, co2 is rather cheap, (baking soda and vinegar? or any acid and base) or any brewery or brewing supply shop can sell you (if willing) 5kg for less than 100dollars and thats food safe, welding supply stores could also sell it to you but it might not be food grade, It might, maybe, compare to nitrogen but supply of that would be limited to welding supply shops
I’m glad I’m not the only person doing this and forgetting about the material world. About a year ago I made a copper Liebig condenser for distilling spirits but ended up giving up drinking. So the Liebig was just sitting there. Collecting dust and looking awesome. Instead I used it for this. It looks very similar to your setup. Mine is smaller scale as it was started at a time when I was slightly more ignorant than now. I Got it all for free. Just time and labor. I pulled almost everything from scavenged appliances. I wanted to prove it was not only possible but the parts that came from name brand sh*t is usually good quality. I Learned a TON of info. Took me at least a year. From within my inner sub-conscience, to the complicated side of my conscience mind, I unknowingly initiated a personal renaissance that hasn’t stopped since. Good work here my friend. Go and inspire others to do the same. Preach it as if one would preach the Gospel. It truly is our only hope in about 20 maybe 30 short years. READERS: Oil will NOT last forever… (However, hydrogen gas combustion seems like a promising technology too.)
Actually oil is a geological byproduct, the fossil fuel concept was an incorrect theory of the late 1800s and unfortunately it stuck. No geologist worth their salt would ever agree it's liqufied dinosaur anymore.
I think that just connecting the gas output to the burner tube would be enough, as the reaction starts you can lower the propane flow. Vessel pressurization is not needed, a typical regulator reduces pressure to less than 0.5psi so that is all you need in the reaction vessel. I also think it could be good to watercool the collection flask to make sure the lower fractions don't evaporate, you can also improvise a cooling tower with a pvc pipe and a "T" (search "bong cooler" or look up tech ingredient's videos on it) to be able to scale up things without needing a lot of water and making sure lower fractions don't evaporate (higher gasoline yield)
El típico hablador de paja, critica esto y aquello, sugiere mejoras, pero estoy seguro que es incapáz de hacer ni siquiera un sencillo destilador de alcohol.
@@octavioseptimus601 el único hablador de paja que veo eres tú, qué mejoras sugieres? Te recuerdo que el ser humano es capaz de crear conocimiento porque puede abstraer y relacionar, puedo saber que cosas mejorar en un reactor de pirólisis sin haber construido uno tan solo con mi experiencia previa en distintas áreas como neumática y termodinámica. Para destilar alcohol necesitas solo un condensador sencillo, no es dificil enrollar un tubo de cobre. Hablador de paja.
OR i could convert my car to propane and forget about the whole process seems silly to burn one fuel to make another unless you can make gas out of wood by burning wood
@@mikemyr2995 they do make gas out of wood called Wood Gas.. theres videos on here on how to make wood gasifiers. So ideally one would make wood gas, and oil from plastic which they can use to cook the wood to make wood gas.. which can be piped into a motor as people have shown on here.
Glad you like it! I do not want to sell it! My final plan is to gift (with the help of donors) small units to remote villages in developing countrys. There I want to train the women of the village in the usage of the system. This will enable them to produce cheap cooking fuel and sell it. With this income they are less bound to the male dominated social structures which is exploiting them. I hope this explains my plan in a way that is understandable. mfg hazelChem
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Changing World Technologies had a working plant in Carthage Mo. it could be hooked to a sewer plant wouldnt that bee too cool to stop sewage from going into our streams
The UK cannot export any more plastic to China. This process could be a solution. Thank you for a clear informational video.will talk to my local MP.thanks
hello Mr Charlesworth thank you for the positive feedback. The pyrolysis process is already used by some small companys who also provide medium scale systems. The main reason why I am doing this project is because i want to bring more attention to the pyrolysis recycling of the non recyclable plastic waste fractions. Pyrolysis should only be used for these fraction that can not be reused! otherwise the process is still better than a landfill but wastes the potential of the recyclable polymers. I hope this information helps you when you talked to your local MP mfg hazelChem
Maybe even those byproduct gasses could be used to run an engine and produce electricity, but I'd probably bubble them trough water first so most of the contaminants get trapped and you get a clean combustion that requires very low compression to ignite
How do you reduce personal exposure to the carcinogens of released PCBs? Is there a easy method to denature PCBs into less harmful molecules? @HazelChem
@@HazelChem Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below + you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials = environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
@@elisabethwittner5539 foolishness, what do you bring to the table ? cant find anything You have personally made with your own hands from recycled 'anything' at any price, never mind cheaper than new petrochemical processed 'waste' plastic pellets... do you even know how to make free plastic string without some lad on yt telling you how to *do it yourself*
@@abhijitkundu3840 Steel that required far more energy to produce than will ever be recovered with this device. I'm all for Green, but it has to make sense.
Great video. Have you tried to limit your runs to only certain types of plastic, to get a more predictable product output? My thought was to use only plastic that is not recyclable. Then adjust production method to maximize fuel output. What is the timeline for a typical production run? Hours?
I'm a 3D printing enthusiasts, and like 75% of all the plastic I use eventually goes into the bin. It would be awesome if I could send all of my waste to someone like you and know it was turned into something useful instead of ending up in a landfill or a "recycling" plant.
You should look into some of the filament-making projects. You end up chopping/grinding the spent filament and parts and it goes into a heated cylinder, etc.
I saw that you used a weld neck flange as a means to distance the heat from the pipes, but I was wondering what type of flange you welded the actual pipe to? Is it a blind flange with a hole machined into it? I'm very curious as i'm considering creating a reactor myself, any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Hi, good video and thank you for uploading. I have a few questions about your design. What material do you use for the outlet pipe of the heat reactor? Also, do you gauge any pressure within the reactor at any place, this include if you have any relief valves?
Great video. I can see the applications for places like Haiti and the incredible potential for missionaries to introduced this I wonder if you know the specs of production capability with a certain size processor? I wonder what it would cost to have someone build them as likely impossible or difficult to build in Third World countries? Would you consider selling them?
They already do it. And it is by no means, environmentally friendly. In Africa, the illegal gas market is much like cartels. They kill each other over it.
@@byrdsdoityourselfgarage7330 I understand what you are saying, but "environmentally friendly" is something many third world people are less concerned about for now. We need a simple system that addresses their immediate needs and while those needs are met we can educate people and refine systems. We should not be trying to sell Ferraris where there aren't even proper roads ...
Does the excess gas that is generated have to be burnt off ? Or could you fill a big bladder and then compress that gas back into gas bottles and use to heat the combustion chamber again?
Hey, thank you for the video! I have a question about the process: The pyrolysis condensible vapours turn back into a liquid, and that's the point of the condenser. However if the reactor and pipe coming out of it are too tall, the vapour might condense before getting to the elbow and as a consequence never reach the condensor. Am I right in this assumption? Did you calculate what the temperature drop would be? Did you size your condenser based on the amount of heat you want to remove from the vapour to turn it into oil? Which brings me to the next questions: If the pipe coming out of the reactor vessel was replaced by a total reflux column, wouldn't you be able to keep all your product inside your reactor while all non condensibles can be let out of the top of said column? ? The reason why I ask is because it might save water and there would be less potential points of failure in the process because there's less unit operations in the process.
If the Government is not going to fund it, then prescribe emissions limits & consent requirements, AND GET THE FORK OUT THE WAY and let business fund it. Sheesh. Are they really that thick?
I some one had access to free shredded clear plastic (CR39 and Polycarbonate shredded to baking coconut consistency) how would this affect to output products?
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below + you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials = environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
Exactly. If western people weren't so stupid they would separate everything properly and use holes in the ground to store it not to bury it in a big mess
@@sammyd7857 not just westerns, every part of world has same problems. Burning waste should be kept at the very last resort. Toxic waste can be better casted such as in concrete to prevent leaching before piling up on landfills. They can be better used for roadways than just be piled for no use.
Glad you like it! If everything goes according to plan I will send the first ready made system to the Philippines at the end of the year. So stay tuned :D best hazelChem
Excellent. I am wondering if you can make this design as Open Source Hardware. Am really forward to see how you can make the distillation process more 'industrial' looking.
People have recommended feeding the gas back in. I would recommend storing it for other uses of gas due to the mixed nature. It may not be the best but it’s certainly cheap.
So, for the run your got 6L impure mixed "oils" - equivalent of $5 of brand new petroleum. How much lpg was used in dollars? maybe an open scrap wood burning fire would be best?
I have been thinking along the same lines I'm glad you made this video thank you, this may not sit well with some people however the newer generation of thorium reactors could provide direct heat for large-scale up and become more environmentally friendly
Regarding reactors, do you know why sodium metal isn’t used in cooling nuclear cores then water. SAAB, the car company used to make sodium filled valves for durability and heat control so it surely is cost effective for nuclear reactions. I know I’m off topic but never get to discuss nuclear issues. Hope you don’t mind!
I need help, I cannot understand the importance of the flare. I'm guessing that it's an outlet for the gass that did not get condensed. I might be wrong, but even if I was right, why the flame tho?
@@blubb7711 never said, he has to use the main burner for that. He could use pressurised air instead in an inverted burner design. Lower pressure in the reactor due to the venturi effect is not a bad idea either.
@@blubb7711 I think that just connecting the gas output to the burner tube would be enough, as the reaction starts you can lower the propane flow. Vessel pressurization is not needed, a typical regulator reduces pressure to less than 0.5psi so that is all you need in the reaction vessel. I also think it could be good to watercool the collection flask to make sure the lower fractions don't evaporate, you can also improvise a cooling tower with a pvc pipe and a "T" (search "bong cooler" or look up tech ingredient's videos on it) to be able to scale up things without needing a lot of water and making sure lower fractions don't evaporate (higher gasoline yield)
@@nirodper thanks for the comment :D is a good one ! at first ... i am using 4 psi for the burner on full load. i am working on a low pressure burner for the pyrolysis gases ... but maybe i am just building a other main burner that can suck the pyrolysis gas in with the air (the current burner cant handle it) the collection vessel will be redesigned for the reason you brought up :D mfg hazelChem
I like burning junk mail to stay warm while I work out in the yard here in Alaska but can't burn plastic.I've heard of waste oil burners but making diesel is a good idea for my home heater
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below + you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials = environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
Soooo, if you are using Garlock Seals, you could raise the pressure in the vessel. This should break the styrene bonds. You also can use an expansion orifice to condense the condensate. No flares....compress that gas.
To get rid of O2 wouldnt an idea to start small fire in chamber (burning wood or something ) before closing the lid ? Just like candle in jar it should burn out the oxygen.
I made one. But one problem. How can remove the oxygen from clinder and what is use for that? please write me the name of chemical that you are used for remove the oxygen.
just ad acid to some rocks (for example hydrochloric acid and some small stones) this generates CO2 which will replace the oxygen in the reaction chamber mfg hazelChem
Been studying on this myself for 20 years, yet to build a reactor. Can't you purge the oxygen from the cell with an inert gas like C02/argon? Instead of mixing up acid and carbon? I keep a cylinder of 75/25 for my welding machine its cheap.
While in theory a great way to make use of plastic waste, if you're using assorted plastics that can be contaminated with all sorts of other stuff, you're going to have such an complex and unpredictable chemical stew coming out of the reaction chamber as to render the output as bad or worse than crude oil but at a far higher production cost. Seems like just burning the waste plastics as a fuel source instead of fuel oil and using the fuel oil to make new plastics might make more sense. Though I could imagine that this might be worthwhile with cleaned and sorted plastics so that the output could be made more stable and predictable. Though I still have a hard time believing that the resulting fuels would be cheaper than crude oil derived ones.
bolts , not screws... I would be interested to know the calories used to heat chamber vs. calories of fuel produced? As mentioned before, you could use the waste flame to heat the chamber.
I worked for a plastics to fuel company building then running the plants as we scaled up in size.
Don’t use 3 or 7. 3 is of coarse pvc and the chlor recombines with the hc and creates hydrocloric acid. Does wonders on the system, destroys fuel system of the engine, and is direct output of acid rain- way worse than the sulfuric base rain created from the old diesel.
7 is basically anything not rate-able so you can get any kind of chemical reaction- absolutely chaos at a chemical level.
As you pointed out the styro issue, and without divulging millions in investment knowledge I will just say- don’t run it either. So that eliminates 6
Polypropylene (5) has a high flash point and chem 101 will show you the issues mixing pp with pe. So you can run it, but it is far better to run it in a separate batch as heating losses make it not worth running combined with pe.
So...1,2,4. And if you price out 1 & 5, you’ll find recycling value is way more than cost of fuel retail.
Also- you need to remove contamination so we learned to shred, wash, and with specific gravity use as separation everything. The amount of shampoo, milk, sugar, etc needed to contaminate a run is ridiculously small. But our pyrolysis chamber was 12’ diameter, just over 30’ long each. So shredding made sense for us to do in separation and cleaning. At home- rinse and let dry in the kitchen or garage. Separation by number.
You can definitely use the butane, propane, etc you are just burning off as the heating fuel to continue the process is you make a feed system so you can do continuous feed or run two pyro chambers. Number one non-compressibles to heat unit number 2.
Also a better method of eliminating oxygen besides co2 is a vacuum pump when doing a pyro your size. Get the a/c vacuum pump from harbor freight. Then your heating process is better starting below atmospheric pressure.
Then look into making a small distillation tower. Product quality improves greatly. You will pull out paraffin which can recrack and speed process greatly.
Sally safety warning for doing this at home. Your literally making a bomb. The temperature ratings of say an SF150 flange (150 psi rating obvi) at these temps goes down to a paltry 25psi. 7psi is actually the greatest rate to process at for volume and quality. Learn to regulate there. Have an ability to blow off pressure and expect it to be a fire ball when it occurs. Watch other RUclips videos for what kind of fireball you get from just 1 gallon of gas. Now have it explode at just 10psi. It will turn a 3,000 sq ft house to embers quickly. Remember output is 1:1. 1lbs of plastic equals 1lbs of fuel.
Why isn’t this already everywhere:
I was in meetings with the head of recycling from Republic and we were planning to obtain their entire supply from the western US. Obama’s epa admin refused to classify this fuel. It doesn’t count as alternative fuel because it is crude base. It doesn’t count as crude base because it has already been processed once. Then the fact that this makes the fuel partial to full (depending on your process and quality) synthetic fuel. So synthetics are a more regulated portion of the hc industry. We hoped Trump would improve it but 2 sides of the same coin.
Look at my profile pic - I am not a tree hugger. I also am not pro big oil. I had great hopes for this but unky sam is holding it under thumb for some reason. High volume production cannot break even doing this unless oil prices are above $78 bbl to do it with less than $50M you would have to have fuel above $90 bbl. But thise numbers are all based on government allowing it- which they won’t right now. No new distillation towers are allowed from EPA still that are needed for this process. No reason given other than ‘green’.
So until a large change is made in one or both of the political parties, this is going nowhere. I’ve met with the guy running these as power production facilities at waste plants. He is skirting laws barely to do that and isn’t allowed to produce any fuel or output power not consumed on site.
Good luck to ya. Be safe, you’re playing with fire on a huge liquid & gaseous pipe bomb.
Hola me llamo Marcos, le quería preguntar si usted me podría asesorar yo estoy asiendo lo mismo .
I fully agree with Hazel Chem: All PE (marked #2 or marked #4), PP (marked #5) and PS (marked #6) plastics must be recycled, not just used as feedstock for pyrolysis oil. The only exception could be if contaminated or very dirty. Hard to remove contamination, fx. paint layer/glue/hardened oils, makes theses types of plastic uneconomical to recycle for the time being. In the near future all contaminated plastics can be recycled, as more chemical recycling plants are being constructed. Contaminants in plastic for chemical recycling are not affected by this process, thus it's possible to recycle virtually all waste plastic; no matter how dirty it is.
It's worth noting that PS plastic can cause some problems with the pyrolysis oil. After a few weeks of storage a jelly like substance starts forming at the bottom of the container, then spreads slowly but surely through the whole content. Sometimes the pyrolysis oil already contains jelly like lumps right from production. The solution is to use a catalyst (Zeolite or another of the hydrated aluminosilicate minerals) to crack the molecules during the pyrolysis process.
Obvious plastic types for conversion to pyrolysis oil are the thermosetting plastics which cannot be remelted, i.e. epoxy, bakelite (creates formaldehydes), plastics with high filler content (fx. PP with Natrium Carbonate/"Sodium Carbonate"), and similar problematic types. Some of the plastic types in the collective group marked #7 (construction plastics) can be pretty hard to sell, with only a few buyers worldwide, and are therefore mostly pyrolyzed. This is also the case for the odd alloys belonging to the group marked #7 plastics (fx. PMMA/PC, and several other plastic alloys). In order to sell these types, a minimum quantity of 10 or 20 tons of the individual type in each shipment is required for anyone to be interested.
Another problem is PE, PP, and PS plastics with added glass fibers (marked: +GF), these are added from 5 to 30% (occasionally up to 50%) glass fibers. During the recycling process the glass fibers will unavoidably break up into tiny short ultra thin glass splinters, thereby loosing their ability to reinforce the plastic; it becomes just an annoying filler. Nobody wants to buy that, so pyrolyzing is the solution. It's worth adding that the biproduct carbon black can neither be sold because it's heavily contaminated with broken glass fibers; though it can be used as fuel in the fire chamber underneath the pyrolysis vessel. The same process goes for glass fiber reinforced resins (fx. hulls from old boats), although technically advanced pyrolysis units can recover the glass fibers as well, provided the glassfibers are long enough and the pyrolysis residue consists of mainly glass fibers (i.e. boat hulls/windmill wings).
Be aware that a large part of plastics from WEEE (Waste Electric and Electronic Equipment) contains added Fire Retardants (marked: /FR). These are toxic! They are either Bromine(brominated) or Chlorine(chlorinated) based, and additional hazardous plasticizer- or stabilizer chemicals may also be present in such feedstock. Never try to pyrolyze such material unless you have a professional unit capable of catching these elements and extracting them completely from the pyrolysis oil. Not all plastics from WEEE contains these chemicals, but a thorough sorting is definitely needed. Besides the pyrolysis oil, the Bromine and the Chlorine can be recovered and sold, or used for other chemical reactions in situ.
Basically, don't try to pyrolyze PET (marked #1). It contains Terephthalate which will sublime and immediately crystalize as soon as it leaves the hot pyrolysis vessel, thus clogging up the tubes with a possible dangerous explosion as a result. You can sell the clean and/or relative clean part for recycling. In fact the remaining dirty and/or broken pieces can actually be processed, but only by a very sophisticated way of pyrolysis. It's solely possible if you have a highly specialized two stage pyrolysis unit capable of maintaining a precise 700 Celsius temperature in the second chamber; and only if you really know what you're doing! The resulting pyrolysis oil will contain at least 30% Benzene (sometimes over 45%), a highly volatile hydrocarbon compound with a boiling point of 80 Celsius; very useful as a solvent for chemical processes. The Benzene is separated from the pyrolysis oil by fractional distillation. The pyrolysis oil can also be used as fuel, provided you have a closed storage/feeding system for your burner, and a fire chamber capable of maintaining a very high temperature. Benzene is highly carcinogenic and dangerous! Benzene causes central nervous system damage acutely, and bone marrow damage chronically. Spills are also problematic as Benzene vapor is heavier than air and therefore rather difficult to get rid of. Benzene vapor also presents a serious explosion risk!
It's popular to pyrolyze old car tires, but this presents a major environmental problem. In the Western World a limit of only max 0.5% sulfur in fuel is allowed. Pyrolysis oil from any kind of rubber feedstock will contain over 5% sulfur! It's forbidden to use as is, but it can be sold to refineries that upgrades such low quality "crude oil" and during the refining process removes the excess sulfur. The carbon black residue, the biproduct of pyrolysis, will also contain sulfur. It's prohibited to burn, but there's no need to try to purify it as it can easily be sold to rubber producers; it already contains the necessary sulfur needed for the rubber synthesis.
Generally, stay far away from PVC (marked #3). Tremendous challenges for pyrolyzing this plastic type are present. From a technical view the main problem is it's made of 57% Chlorine. It's the only plastic type containing Chlorine, and it's literally not for amateurs. Chlorine gas will kill you instantly! Seen in a health perspective, all plastics contains some additives, but PVC is the only plastic that always contains a myriad of added hazardous chemicals (10 to 70%), and a small percentage of poisonous Cadmium as well.
Plasticizing additives (primarily to soften up the PVC, but also fx. to make it resistant to degradation by sunlight) includes the controversial phthalates (most commonly (di(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate, DEHP) which are carcinogenic and mutagenic (endocrine disruptors)!
It's a complicated process to catch and remove all these hazardous contaminants, but certainly worth it. Besides pyrolysis oil it mainly yields a huge quantity of free HCl (Hydrochloric acid), useful for lots of chemical processes; after it has been purified! Due to the Chlorine vapor(gas) attacking almost everything, this process requires a professional well constructed pyrolysis unit, made entirely of acid resistant (high Nickel content, 52%) stainless steel; such as the one I have.
thank you for the very informative comment! It is allays nice to see such well crafted responses. If you like to you can write me an email. I am very interested in having a conversation with another hobby p-reactor builder. My mail is hazelchemistry@gmail.com
mfg hazelChem
Are you able to email me? I'm a 2nd-year university student interested in creating a chemical recycling company for plastic, and I'm wondering about your sources and/or role in the plastics industry? You seem very knowledgeable, thus, I think you would be a good contact. Let me know if you're interested in talking, thanks!
You’re full of interesting information, at least to my mind! I’ll be rereading your comments and trying to make notes! I’m a 57 y.o. guy who’s retiring a little bit early but still am interested in turning “waste” into beneficial products! Would you recommend some resources for me to learn more? Thank you in advance!
Can't believe I red that
Very valuable input and I am sure that in a properly controlled environment, these aspects need to be taken into consideration.
I however live in Africa where we are face with two major problems, that as far as I am concerned, need to be addressed first before worrying about further finer points of the process ...
Firstly we have a massive waste disposal problem that needs urgent attention and in most of the continent the word recycling means very little.
Secondly, we have a massive energy crises that needs to be addressed.
I would therefore like to get information about a simple and reasonably effective procedure that any household or small group of people could use to get rid of waste in their immediate area while providing some sort of fuel they can use to generate electricity from.
While we are cleaning up the environment and providing households with electricity, we can be educating people and refining the processes.
How do I combine pyrolysis using plastics to using other carbon based feedstock such as garden and kitchen waste?
That flare gas can be fed back into the burner via a second inlet to the same tube as the one connected to the propane tank.
My thought exactly, super heated.
Thought so too, such a shame as it could lower the cost of the whole process instead of wasting it
You would want to use something like a Waterfilled gate to prevent a possible flashback.
@@kevman0111 Definitely. On every gas source feeding into the furnace ideally even the main tank
Would it burn as clean as the LPG he's using?
Anything that gets rid of plastic is fine by me!! Well done.
instablaster...
I have only one thing to say: WOW. This is the most encouraging news of the decade. Thanks.
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below
+ you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials
= environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
This has been known for ages.
Very wow
@@Emilthehun INDEED, this is literally how most fuels are processed- right from the get-go. This is chemistry and always takes more energy than what is produced which is OK if you have a plentiful "free-ish" source of "starter" energy-like a team of slaves feeding a fire with beech wood. Wood gasification? YEP, been done before. Microwaved "trash" in order to reduce it back to its base compounds? Yep, that too. Distillation? Yep. Even cooler, no matter the method of fuel production (conversion), the resulting energy always goes back into Earth's energy cycle.
the waste gas could be redirected to the burner saving on lpg to heat the reactor
or bottle it and use it next round and repeat so it minimises waste?
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below
+ you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials
= environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
@@elisabethwittner5539 What you can buy from recycled plastic is just not worth the money. Get's brittle almost the moment you paid for, i just don't want spend money any more for recycled plastics. Better heat the house with.
Elisabeth Wittner their are plastic bottles littering the hole world, this is a failure. Trying to use some of it up is not. Nothing is a perfect.going around kicking everyone in the nuts doesn't help solve any problems!
@@elisabethwittner5539
If you want to have good recycled plastic, the recycling process ist using up much more energy than making new plastic. That's why i think, concentrating in converting the old mixed and smudged stuff into a usable form of energy is a much better way of getting rid of our "plastic waste is killing our world"-Problem.
Just the real plant must be self sustaining, not wasting LPG and lit the "waste" gasses. But it's just a matter of converting a prototype into a finished process. The energy it needs to pay for itself and get profit out of it is all already included in the plastic.
But i think, separating the plastics in chemical categories is mandatory. The chlorine in PVC must not be handled with such a reactor, for instance.
Great job!. Those are nuts and bolts for wrenches not screws. I want to make my own still like Franklin County, VA. They are experts at this.
You are burning gas to make oil, how many barrels of energy burnt to barrels of energy produced?
A few years ago I worked on such a reactor equivalent every few tons of plastic entered. The material could be added continuously without blanking the device
@@strangerfromtheearth6770 Probs HAZMAT for Dioxins
If every neighbourhood had a small unit like this then self sustaining will become a thing, nice. ( I served my time in an oil refinery)
Very nicely built reactor. I'm very impressed.
thx :D
Very good!! On a very large scale a plant could take in tons of plastics cleaned from the ocean to, oil could be sold to refineries.
It's already being done like that. Its cool to see home experiments like this and how a machine like this differs from my large scale machines. They are missing some major keys in order make it more efficient but nonetheless impressive for some at home scientists. The real money is in the energy that the oil(most economical is diesel) is able to make. The large scale plants will first be going up in South Korea than India. Our machines will clean the world while making energy clean.
2:28 Or what about lighting a small candle and placing it into the chamber to burn away the oxygen inside?
Some plastic could decompose react with O2 and produce carcinogen dioxine
It would only decrease the O2 proportion from 20-21% to approx. 12% at which a flame is smothered.
Congratulations you are solving the problem of plastic in the world "god bless you" ingenious
Why don't u use that west flame to heat ur Furness
Three thumbs up!
As soon as there is a meaningful price on carbon dioxide nobody will (expensively!) burn this precious hydrocarbons (plastics & fuels) but return it as feedstock for a recycling cycle. That’s the future for the petrochemical industry.
Everything is there. Even hippies can do it on their island or in a backyard. The only thing missing is a price on carbon dioxide.
Two points: You can use a vacuum pump to evacuate the oxygen. You can use a standard cast iron conical union and not need expensive sealing collars.
ha-ha. just a glass of water solve all.
What about introducing nitrogen or argon instead? Surely that's cheaper.
@@ssss-df5qz argon is actually rather expensive, co2 is rather cheap, (baking soda and vinegar? or any acid and base) or any brewery or brewing supply shop can sell you (if willing) 5kg for less than 100dollars and thats food safe, welding supply stores could also sell it to you but it might not be food grade, It might, maybe, compare to nitrogen but supply of that would be limited to welding supply shops
@@rjwaters3 good point. Hadn't thought about that.
Why do we have to do we have to do this what hapens if we dont
I’m glad I’m not the only person doing this and forgetting about the material world. About a year ago I made a copper Liebig condenser for distilling spirits but ended up giving up drinking. So the Liebig was just sitting there. Collecting dust and looking awesome. Instead I used it for this. It looks very similar to your setup. Mine is smaller scale as it was started at a time when I was slightly more ignorant than now. I Got it all for free. Just time and labor. I pulled almost everything from scavenged appliances. I wanted to prove it was not only possible but the parts that came from name brand sh*t is usually good quality. I Learned a TON of info. Took me at least a year. From within my inner sub-conscience, to the complicated side of my conscience mind, I unknowingly initiated a personal renaissance that hasn’t stopped since.
Good work here my friend. Go and inspire others to do the same. Preach it as if one would preach the Gospel. It truly is our only hope in about 20 maybe 30 short years.
READERS: Oil will NOT last forever…
(However, hydrogen gas combustion seems like a promising technology too.)
Actually oil is a geological byproduct, the fossil fuel concept was an incorrect theory of the late 1800s and unfortunately it stuck. No geologist worth their salt would ever agree it's liqufied dinosaur anymore.
I have a question, can we reuse the heat exposed to burn the container instead of burner after certain time.
My Energy Engineering Master of Science thesis was all about pyrolysis. Great project, keep it going!
how can i get you thesis for reading plz
I think that just connecting the gas output to the burner tube would be enough, as the reaction starts you can lower the propane flow.
Vessel pressurization is not needed, a typical regulator reduces pressure to less than 0.5psi so that is all you need in the reaction vessel.
I also think it could be good to watercool the collection flask to make sure the lower fractions don't evaporate, you can also improvise a cooling tower with a pvc pipe and a "T" (search "bong cooler" or look up tech ingredient's videos on it) to be able to scale up things without needing a lot of water and making sure lower fractions don't evaporate (higher gasoline yield)
El típico hablador de paja, critica esto y aquello, sugiere mejoras, pero estoy seguro que es incapáz de hacer ni siquiera un sencillo destilador de alcohol.
@@octavioseptimus601 el único hablador de paja que veo eres tú, qué mejoras sugieres? Te recuerdo que el ser humano es capaz de crear conocimiento porque puede abstraer y relacionar, puedo saber que cosas mejorar en un reactor de pirólisis sin haber construido uno tan solo con mi experiencia previa en distintas áreas como neumática y termodinámica.
Para destilar alcohol necesitas solo un condensador sencillo, no es dificil enrollar un tubo de cobre. Hablador de paja.
OR i could convert my car to propane and forget about the whole process seems silly to burn one fuel to make another unless you can make gas out of wood by burning wood
@@mikemyr2995 they do make gas out of wood called Wood Gas.. theres videos on here on how to make wood gasifiers. So ideally one would make wood gas, and oil from plastic which they can use to cook the wood to make wood gas.. which can be piped into a motor as people have shown on here.
MK2 version?
And instead of bong cooler, it's a double boiling flask with a graham condenser.
I am amazed. I don't even know what to say. I never thought about it. If you even sell the product I will buy it in a heartbeat.
You have a new sub
Glad you like it! I do not want to sell it! My final plan is to gift (with the help of donors) small units to remote villages in developing countrys. There I want to train the women of the village in the usage of the system. This will enable them to produce cheap cooking fuel and sell it. With this income they are less bound to the male dominated social structures which is exploiting them.
I hope this explains my plan in a way that is understandable.
mfg hazelChem
@@HazelChem yr plan is way better than selling it. I really appreciate your effort to help others. Keep up the good work
This is very encouraging news. Thank you for everything you're doing.
This should be done on an industrial scale. It would actually make recycling plastics practical and useful.
Hazel Chem, can you provide the link were you have the process of converting this oil into petrol/diesel?
Thanks in advance.
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Love what you are doing. - pipe hand in TX
Changing World Technologies had a working plant in Carthage Mo. it could be hooked to a sewer plant wouldnt that bee too cool to stop sewage from going into our streams
Could a Small Generator be ran on the Gas that is being burned off?
Is there any sludge after making the oil?
Always is never run dry
The UK cannot export any more plastic to China. This process could be a solution. Thank you for a clear informational video.will talk to my local MP.thanks
hello Mr Charlesworth thank you for the positive feedback. The pyrolysis process is already used by some small companys who also provide medium scale systems. The main reason why I am doing this project is because i want to bring more attention to the pyrolysis recycling of the non recyclable plastic waste fractions. Pyrolysis should only be used for these fraction that can not be reused! otherwise the process is still better than a landfill but wastes the potential of the recyclable polymers.
I hope this information helps you when you talked to your local MP
mfg hazelChem
@@HazelChem thank you that's really clear
Could you reroute the gases back into the reactor? To use as heat?
Maybe even those byproduct gasses could be used to run an engine and produce electricity, but I'd probably bubble them trough water first so most of the contaminants get trapped and you get a clean combustion that requires very low compression to ignite
How do you reduce personal exposure to the carcinogens of released PCBs? Is there a easy method to denature PCBs into less harmful molecules? @HazelChem
Awesome video, thanks! I was so excited to see you scale up this process, and it was 100% worth the wait
thanks :D
@@HazelChem what was the reaction chamber made of??
@@HazelChem Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below
+ you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials
= environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
@@elisabethwittner5539 foolishness, what do you bring to the table ?
cant find anything You have personally made with your own hands from recycled 'anything' at any price, never mind cheaper than new petrochemical processed 'waste' plastic pellets...
do you even know how to make free plastic string without some lad on yt telling you how to *do it yourself*
@@abhijitkundu3840 Steel that required far more energy to produce than will ever be recovered with this device. I'm all for Green, but it has to make sense.
In a world where people care more about our environment than profit, this would be a great idea.
Great video. Have you tried to limit your runs to only certain types of plastic, to get a more predictable product output? My thought was to use only plastic that is not recyclable. Then adjust production method to maximize fuel output. What is the timeline for a typical production run? Hours?
Yes, I would love to see #7 plastic used up like this.
Als Chemiingenieur finde ich das hier echt klasse, es ist aufregend zu sehen wie es praktisch aussieht. Gute Arbeit!
I'm a 3D printing enthusiasts, and like 75% of all the plastic I use eventually goes into the bin. It would be awesome if I could send all of my waste to someone like you and know it was turned into something useful instead of ending up in a landfill or a "recycling" plant.
Have you looked into recycling your own waste for new filament? Most important thing is to keep types separate.
You should look into some of the filament-making projects. You end up chopping/grinding the spent filament and parts and it goes into a heated cylinder, etc.
Wow,
That’s going to change the world!
Wow amazing plastic into oil newfriend that is very amazing🥰🥰🥰
Como se llama el quimico que el le pone con la botella platica y la mamquerita polfa
I saw that you used a weld neck flange as a means to distance the heat from the pipes, but I was wondering what type of flange you welded the actual pipe to? Is it a blind flange with a hole machined into it? I'm very curious as i'm considering creating a reactor myself, any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Hi, good video and thank you for uploading. I have a few questions about your design.
What material do you use for the outlet pipe of the heat reactor? Also, do you gauge any pressure within the reactor at any place, this include if you have any relief valves?
What is the composition of the Flare Gas, can it be compressed and used as propane ?
it can be compressed but only with a compressor that is build for compressing flammable gases... otherwise it will explode
mfg hazelChem
I'd be curious to know overall energy in (propane) vs. overall energy out (hydrocarbon liquid and flared gases). Super cool stuff here!
شكرا جزيلا لحضرتك
how do you know the chamber with plastic is empty ? when all plastic is spent.
when the gas production ends all of the plastic is used up.
mfg hazelChem
Great video. I can see the applications for places like Haiti and the incredible potential for missionaries to introduced this
I wonder if you know the specs of production capability with a certain size processor? I wonder what it would cost to have someone build them as likely impossible or difficult to build in Third World countries?
Would you consider selling them?
They already do it. And it is by no means, environmentally friendly. In Africa, the illegal gas market is much like cartels. They kill each other over it.
@@byrdsdoityourselfgarage7330 I understand what you are saying, but "environmentally friendly" is something many third world people are less concerned about for now. We need a simple system that addresses their immediate needs and while those needs are met we can educate people and refine systems.
We should not be trying to sell Ferraris where there aren't even proper roads ...
And I thought the creepy robot voice was only on cheap news videos 🤷♂️😂
Still awesome. Thank you
u r right sir,,,,
that moment when voice dysphoria, but TTS is shit lol
I see you putting bolts in that flange but where is the screws at?
My tributes to you :) Very good explained and well done. Thumbs up.
Does the excess gas that is generated have to be burnt off ? Or could you fill a big bladder and then compress that gas back into gas bottles and use to heat the combustion chamber again?
Hey, thank you for the video! I have a question about the process:
The pyrolysis condensible vapours turn back into a liquid, and that's the point of the condenser. However if the reactor and pipe coming out of it are too tall, the vapour might condense before getting to the elbow and as a consequence never reach the condensor. Am I right in this assumption? Did you calculate what the temperature drop would be? Did you size your condenser based on the amount of heat you want to remove from the vapour to turn it into oil?
Which brings me to the next questions:
If the pipe coming out of the reactor vessel was replaced by a total reflux column, wouldn't you be able to keep all your product inside your reactor while all non condensibles can be let out of the top of said column? ? The reason why I ask is because it might save water and there would be less potential points of failure in the process because there's less unit operations in the process.
do you at least pull out enough fuel to replace the energy that propane uses?
First invention like that is filipino but the goverment not allowed that inventoin bcoz more businessman are affected
mafia
That's fucking ridiculous
If the Government is not going to fund it, then prescribe emissions limits & consent requirements, AND GET THE FORK OUT THE WAY and let business fund it. Sheesh. Are they really that thick?
Jon WB Are you really inquiring if the government is that stupid??? Bubhah !
No, This idea was first invention in Indonesia
Liked and subscribed.
I was searching for this type of videos about homemade pyrolysis of polymers and I finally discovered your channel.
A few steps away from a Mr. Fusion powered time machine.
Can flair be used for supplementing heating of chamber?
Fantastic, really wonderful
I some one had access to free shredded clear plastic (CR39 and Polycarbonate shredded to baking coconut consistency) how would this affect to output products?
Thank you so much for great initiatives, how could I know more on this
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below
+ you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials
= environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
I'd love to see you recycle 90% of that into it's original plastic with no loss in quality. Lol
So... you use an O2 meter to set up the vapor space?
avoid burning plastic, turn them to oil, and burn oil - I think best way is to recycle the plastic than burning them - just a personal opinion
Exactly. If western people weren't so stupid they would separate everything properly and use holes in the ground to store it not to bury it in a big mess
@@sammyd7857 not just westerns, every part of world has same problems. Burning waste should be kept at the very last resort. Toxic waste can be better casted such as in concrete to prevent leaching before piling up on landfills. They can be better used for roadways than just be piled for no use.
@@ronvoy as long as it's made from asphalt. Using plastic as an aggregate could have consequences in the form of microplastic pollution
Excellent video, love your setup
Glad you like it! If everything goes according to plan I will send the first ready made system to the Philippines at the end of the year.
So stay tuned :D
best hazelChem
Excellent. I am wondering if you can make this design as Open Source Hardware. Am really forward to see how you can make the distillation process more 'industrial' looking.
Okay... And his earning is? Because he spent too much time and money 💰 for developing this particular machinery so.... Think....
@@robinjitsingh3733 It depends upon the inventor's goal(s). Since he posted it for free on youtube then maybe he might consider this.
People have recommended feeding the gas back in. I would recommend storing it for other uses of gas due to the mixed nature. It may not be the best but it’s certainly cheap.
I want to know more... Can you help me
So, for the run your got 6L impure mixed "oils" - equivalent of $5 of brand new petroleum. How much lpg was used in dollars? maybe an open scrap wood burning fire would be best?
You could recycle the flare gas into the burner
James Hannon Yes but the burner is under pressure so it is not practical to do so
why not use the flare gas as 2nd burner and use the main burner as a start or to regulate the temperature?
I have been thinking along the same lines I'm glad you made this video thank you, this may not sit well with some people however the newer generation of thorium reactors could provide direct heat for large-scale up and become more environmentally friendly
Regarding reactors, do you know why sodium metal isn’t used in cooling nuclear cores then water. SAAB, the car company used to make sodium filled valves for durability and heat control so it surely is cost effective for nuclear reactions. I know I’m off topic but never get to discuss nuclear issues. Hope you don’t mind!
@@jackjones9460 I sure didn't
@@JatPhenshllem When working on my Saab 900’s I found out they’re sodium filled. Don’t know if it’s common or not.
@@jackjones9460 Go on, please :)
Quick question: where is the plastic residue? Is it in reactor or it follows the flow of gases?
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I need help, I cannot understand the importance of the flare.
I'm guessing that it's an outlet for the gass that did not get condensed.
I might be wrong, but even if I was right, why the flame tho?
You could use the gas to heat the reactor.
Like he said, it must be presurized first, so the venturi burner can work.
@@blubb7711 never said, he has to use the main burner for that. He could use pressurised air instead in an inverted burner design. Lower pressure in the reactor due to the venturi effect is not a bad idea either.
@@RepublikSivizien That also would be an option, but I guess he is still going for the most simple solution right now
@@blubb7711 I think that just connecting the gas output to the burner tube would be enough, as the reaction starts you can lower the propane flow.
Vessel pressurization is not needed, a typical regulator reduces pressure to less than 0.5psi so that is all you need in the reaction vessel.
I also think it could be good to watercool the collection flask to make sure the lower fractions don't evaporate, you can also improvise a cooling tower with a pvc pipe and a "T" (search "bong cooler" or look up tech ingredient's videos on it) to be able to scale up things without needing a lot of water and making sure lower fractions don't evaporate (higher gasoline yield)
@@nirodper thanks for the comment :D is a good one ! at first ... i am using 4 psi for the burner on full load. i am working on a low pressure burner for the pyrolysis gases ... but maybe i am just building a other main burner that can suck the pyrolysis gas in with the air (the current burner cant handle it) the collection vessel will be redesigned for the reason you brought up :D
mfg hazelChem
This is a nobel invention.
You seriously couldn't narrate this yourself?
Its easier for those non native speaker
@@C43S4R56 even if his English is bad I would have preferred it over a human being.
@@thatguy8617 good point though
have you told me that which gaskit sealing material used ?
I got a shit ton of nappy waste. Be handy if I could run my house on it #dadstruggle
I like burning junk mail to stay warm while I work out in the yard here in Alaska but can't burn plastic.I've heard of waste oil burners but making diesel is a good idea for my home heater
Others do this in „a better trashcan“ with wooden fire below
+ you could recycle this plastic by 90% into new plastic instead of causing a need to produce more new plastic from raw materials
= environmental protection gone _FAIIIIIL_
Soooo, if you are using Garlock Seals, you could raise the pressure in the vessel. This should break the styrene bonds. You also can use an expansion orifice to condense the condensate.
No flares....compress that gas.
Already in bangladesh, indian peoples are doing.
I was going to say this
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Your point is? Surely this is purely for educational purposes. Who cares who’s doing what where?
Serviría para hacer lo mismo pero con aceite usado de motor?? Ya que también se consigue diésel con Pirolisis !
your produce more environmental damage in this process than helping, please stop this madness.
How so? Otherwise trash will end up in ocean. Maybe some co2 gets emitted. Not nearly as much as cars produce each day.
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To ever going to explain how or are you just going to let this comment fester at the top of the comments section like shit on the pavement?
Why flare off the gas? Can't you feed it into your pyro so you use less propane?
thats what he said in teh video. this is a test of concept not a system.
dumb question but why not use dry ice? i feel like itd be interesting to try nonetheless though probably over kill.
To get rid of O2 wouldnt an idea to start small fire in chamber (burning wood or something ) before closing the lid ? Just like candle in jar it should burn out the oxygen.
I made one. But one problem. How can remove the oxygen from clinder and what is use for that? please write me the name of chemical that you are used for remove the oxygen.
just ad acid to some rocks (for example hydrochloric acid and some small stones) this generates CO2 which will replace the oxygen in the reaction chamber
mfg hazelChem
@@HazelChem Thank you very much for your help and I wish you will be happy all the time.
dry ice
what sort of byproducts are made and leftover after this?
How about feeding the waist gas back into the heating flame?
The exit gases that was burned, why wasn’t it used to minimize energy input?
Im dumb guy but enjoy watch this type stuff…well hope ur channel grow bigger
How do make sure that feedstock does not contain residual oxygen?
Does the residue contain dioxin or furan?
do you have to clean the plastic before burning it?
you have a provided heat source you are squandering. . love it. ty
I live in Greece where we waste loads of plastic and think this solution would be great!
We are performing similar kind of experiment with LDPE(low density polyethene), the reactor is electrically heated and the inert we use is nitrogen
If we have to do the work of making diesel from plastic, then which certificates are needed for this?
Been studying on this myself for 20 years, yet to build a reactor.
Can't you purge the oxygen from the cell with an inert gas like C02/argon? Instead of mixing up acid and carbon? I keep a cylinder of 75/25 for my welding machine its cheap.
While in theory a great way to make use of plastic waste, if you're using assorted plastics that can be contaminated with all sorts of other stuff, you're going to have such an complex and unpredictable chemical stew coming out of the reaction chamber as to render the output as bad or worse than crude oil but at a far higher production cost. Seems like just burning the waste plastics as a fuel source instead of fuel oil and using the fuel oil to make new plastics might make more sense.
Though I could imagine that this might be worthwhile with cleaned and sorted plastics so that the output could be made more stable and predictable. Though I still have a hard time believing that the resulting fuels would be cheaper than crude oil derived ones.
Hi I'm wandering if it's possible to use vacuum for lowing down the boiling point.
bolts , not screws... I would be interested to know the calories used to heat chamber vs. calories of fuel produced? As mentioned before, you could use the waste flame to heat the chamber.
I am interesting with this reactor can use to change heavy oil or the bitumin to the gas？
Great!!! Please talk to the ocean cleanup team from Boyan Slat. They are collecting a lot of waste plastic.