She deserves a plaque and memorial for all the money she made for Miami. Her legacy will live on. She is now with her Lummi ancestors. I paid my respects to this Miami icon on Sunday after she passed that weekend. 🤧
Sorry but she deserves to be free & possibly meet her mother & other pod members. 50 years is enough! Whether she lives another 10 or 20 years or 1 or 2 in the ocean it's better than not being able to swim free of concrete walls. Play recordings of her pod & see how she reacts, if she doesn't remember them then maybe sending her to SeaWorld is the better option, but I bet she remembers all too well.
I can understand what he’s saying ::: but I still believe id rather see her die in the ocean than die in that tank or at SeaWorld ::: and I truly believe she can adjust accordingly.
1.6k views in a month. Sad. Some dude called Dr Disrespect has 10x more live viewers when he live streams. More people should be aware of Tokitae's situation and care. A comment for the algorithm!
She was the most resilient wild caught orca in captivity. She could have handled all of this. Even for one day alive in the wild. I disagree with him. She did know the wild and what happened to her. Miami Seaquarium was not all she knew.
This guy may be smart, but also I don't agree with his message at all. We need to let Toki live out the rest of her life in a natural environment. It's torture otherwise. It's infuriating hearing this. Does he want her living in concrete walls ALONE for the rest of her life? It's absolutely ridiculous. I realize that this guy has close and personal relationship with Toki, but this is NOT the environment that she needs to spend the rest of her life in. Her new home IS the sanctuary. And hopefully she'll find her mother and pod one day... Look at the Beluga Whales who are living in sanctuaries now... they are doing just fine.
Toki is the equivalent of an 80 year old lady. Did you even watch the interview? She would not survive the attempt at release - THAT would be torture for her. She would get sick from EVERY germ she comes across, and at her age, that is a death sentence. Worse: She does not even know her relatives! And those relatives are struggling already. The southern population is in decline - and Toki would bring germs with her that they haven't ever encountered. Their few calves would be the first to get sick and die. It would wipe out the southern population.
Concerned about the potential illness she could have found in a ocean pen where she could at least hear her mother one last time before dying, then she dies in her oh-so-safe pool less than two months from the interview. Talk about cruel irony. With reports that the under feeding and wrong practices made her sick and mad at the end. Because of a staff member who used to work for sea world allegedly not wanting to feed her as she was before. In a green pool in isolation. Solitary confinement is never better than getting to experience her home or hearing her mom even in occasional visits. But ofcourse, no mention of her insurance policy. How coincidental that she dies before getting to go home.
OK then if it's such a good veterinarian why did you why did they make her performance she was injured and why did they withdraw her food if she didn't do the right trick and why do you give her rotten fish then if she has gotten sick from that and she gotten sick from the tank she's in if you're such a good veterinarian how come she got sick them from the pool she's in and the food she ain't then how do you explain that huh
I agree that it’s all she has ever known. However her tank -pool was way too small and she deserved better. It was a money making thing and they made it apparent they were not going to provide her with a bigger pool. I think she may have done well in a sea pen as long as she had round the clock care. As far as having more space. They should not be in captivity and the least they could’ve done for her is provide her with a pool twice that size…. I hope she did receive love from her caretakers and they at least treated her with love and gave her affection, she surely didn’t not have the adequate space for a animal that size. Rest In Peace Lolita…I’m so sorry you were used for $$$$. SWIM FREE. 🌈❤💔😢
Brilliantly and eloquently said. Dr. Michael S. Renner is a kind, compassionate, and highly experienced marine mammal veterinarian. He is one of the best in the world. He has dedicated his professional life to making sure that every marine mammal in human care gets the best medical care possible. Everything he says here needs to be shared widely and digested. As a marine mammal radiologist, I have also been working with marine mammals for decades (25 years) and can confirm that what he says is true, and based in reality. This reality is based entirely on what's best for (1) this individual whale, and (2) the endangered Southern Resident Killer Whale population in the Pacific Northwest.
She deserved to be free or a a way bigger pool, triple that size. I agree it’s all she has known, but that pools was not big enough, This was a money making thing and she was used. I hope her caretakers loved her and she had some love while here. Rest In Peace. ❤🌈💔😢
Weather it’s all she’s known she deserved better !! A prison who was locked up from 18 years old until 60 years old ! His cell is all he’s known !! Even if that man is innocent ! This man’s sounds stupid !!
How about ripping you from your home, from everyone you know and love, and throw you out on the street when you are 80 years old (which would be app. the age equivalent) because your apartment is small and in need of redecoration?
i agree her pool she lived in was to small but it’s true it’s all she knew. putting her in a sea pen was so so absurd for a killer whale that was as old as she was. Keiko was a lot younger then her and he didn’t even last more then a couple years. I think she would have died right away. but rip to Lolita I’m sad she passed away. putting these whales in the wild is all fairytale
He's one of the few people who make sense on this issue. Anti caps would rather see these whales starve to death in BC than see them under human care and fed.
Like the experts have said, no matter how gental the jailer, ITS STILL JAIL!!!! People need to put themselves in an Orcas body.....i think a nice sea pen w/ real kelp, fish, rocks to rub on , etc. Of course its not cheap, but imagine the type of jobs& educational opportunities that could come from it. Sounds great!!
Her mother is alive and a mother and child who bonded never forget. She will get to live in a sea pen near her mother, her family! Thats better then a tiny pool alone for the rest of her life. I would rather live a year near my family and pass away than live 20 alone in a crappy pool
How are you so certain her mother and family will accept her? Have you witnessed this? I have seen mother orcas and mother dolphins attack and kill their calves in captivity and in the wild. Siblings too. I have witnessed killer whale and dolphin mothers abandon their calves after hours, weeks, months, years of separation, no less 50 plus years.
@michaelrenner9182 I never said anything about them accepting her, she does have communication memory from before she was taken. She will be able to hear her pod from her pen and communicate back if she chooses to do so. Still better than a tiny decaying pool, and at least a chance to live how she was meant too with help and care for the rest of her life in a 15 acre sea pen.
It makes sense that she doesn't know how to hunt for herself. Things he's saying make a lot of sense as far as the risks of moving Toki to natural sea water.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 wow… I can’t believe what I just read. You just described the ocean (the ancestral home of orcas) as being cold, lonely and dark to them… I can’t actually believe that level of stupidity…. Orcas have spent thousands of years adapting to living in an ocean environment, the same ocean environment Toki lived in for 4 years before her capture. Yes, she isn’t used to it as of now but she is literally primed to adapt to it. You’ve also spread misinformation here, it’s been confirmed that 2-3 pacific white sided dolphins will accompany her including her current tank mate. So she’ll have THE EXACT same company she currently has but in her natural waters where she’ll have more space, natural enrichment and the same round the clock care. You’re making bold and baseless assumptions by saying she won’t know how to interact with wild orcas (which by the way- isn’t the plan anyway). No one knows fully how she will react so don’t assume. As for diseases- yes that is a risk, but guess what? Her current environment IS making her ill. Captive cetaceans frequently suffer illnesses rarely seen in the wild but that consideration wasn’t, and still isn’t, taken into account when they’re taken into captivity.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 you really need to educate yourself on both the details of Toki’s release and the lives and history of wild orcas, because everything you just said was grossly inaccurate.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 ‘you can’t just force them into an environment they’ve never experienced’- funny that, the same consideration wasn’t applied when taking orcas from the wild in the first place.
I fully respect and understand what Dr. Renner is saying and he is right about quite a few points. The main one being Lolita/Tokatae’s candidacy for even a Sea Pen! Her age and time in captivity are most definitely issues for not only her but her extended family the Southern Resident Orcas! So many people believe an Orca release is just like the Free Willy movie went..😂 It’s most definitely not!
@@oatsmcgoats8493 Exactly right. Kieko passed away a few short years after of pneumonia alone on the sea floor! He never learned to hunt or forage for himself. He was always seeking out human contact. The boaters were even at one point told to ignore him! He did make contact with a pod possibly his, however as per the scientist that were there when this momentarily momentous moment happened there was a very strategic approach from the pod to Kieko however complete silence! Which begs the question on how else these amazing creatures communicate! But I digress he did not leave with them! He chose his human companions however less of them he had at that moment! I actually started a Free Kieko petition at my junior high back then. However I honestly believed that the Marine Biologists & Orca Research Specialist were going to have more of a say in his “release” & what exactly that meant! Even then at the age of 14 I had been studying the research on the Orca long enough to know that he more than likely wasn’t such a great candidate for reintegration with his pod! Not having spent as much time relying on humans for so much. A SeaPen or SeaSide Sanctuary is not at all the same. Although it does come with its own trials.
@@coffeecrimegal5968 Kieko became sick, unresponsive, and unprofitable due to his captivity. They dumped his worthless ass at the cheapest beach and played it off using the movie "Free Willy" to make it look like they did something good for the orca.
The plan should be to move her to a replica tank with at will access to the "sea pen" via the shortest estuary possible. The transition from tank water to seawater should take place as gradual as possible via the estuary. She is 100 percent welcome to choose her tank. She could choose the "sea pen" though. We move her dolphin friend and all of her water as well. If I had my druthers I would even close the road and cancel all other flights during her transport. This plan solves her crumbling tank issue as well as provides a back up new tank if things with the sea pen don't go well.
No. He is a stooge advocating somebody pay roughly 1M a week to tank her for 40 years so he can touch her on the nose (which she hate BTW) once every 3 weeks.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 she isn’t being fully released 😂 my god, look at the details. She won’t have to fend for herself- she will continue to be fed and cared for. She won’t be travelling hundreds of miles, she’ll just be kept in a large pen… a safe environment?! Are you joking, the state of her tank went VIRAL mere weeks ago because it’s falling apart. It’s actually been declared unsafe and no more than 10 people can be in the stadium at one time.
First off, you called me Dr Mengele? Really? You think that's ok? This is not about me. Or you. This is about Toki. And what's best for Toki. And btw the stadium is separate from the pool. Toki doesn't live in the stadium that surrounds the pool. She lives in the pool.
@@michaelrenner9182 You have a track record of supporting the capture of marine animals for the purposes of entertainment and research, as recently as the paper you signed in 2021. What's best for Tokitae is not having someone with your biases given weight in the decision. As for your concern, why has it taken you 30 years to go public? .
She deserves a plaque and memorial for all the money she made for Miami. Her legacy will live on. She is now with her Lummi ancestors. I paid my respects to this Miami icon on Sunday after she passed that weekend. 🤧
Sorry but she deserves to be free & possibly meet her mother & other pod members. 50 years is enough! Whether she lives another 10 or 20 years or 1 or 2 in the ocean it's better than not being able to swim free of concrete walls. Play recordings of her pod & see how she reacts, if she doesn't remember them then maybe sending her to SeaWorld is the better option, but I bet she remembers all too well.
Humanity owes this whale a formal apology IMO
To Hugo, too. They abused him. He died of an aneurysm in 1980.
But Keiko lived for many years after his release.
He was first moved to Iceland in 1998. He exited his sea-pen in 2002. He died in 2003.
Spoken like a true warden. What a tool.
He is not talking the truth. All about Keiko was wrong. Check any Keiko Documentary to hear the truth😊
I can understand what he’s saying ::: but I still believe id rather see her die in the ocean than die in that tank or at SeaWorld ::: and I truly believe she can adjust accordingly.
1.6k views in a month. Sad. Some dude called Dr Disrespect has 10x more live viewers when he live streams. More people should be aware of Tokitae's situation and care.
A comment for the algorithm!
She was the most resilient wild caught orca in captivity. She could have handled all of this. Even for one day alive in the wild. I disagree with him. She did know the wild and what happened to her. Miami Seaquarium was not all she knew.
They took a life span of 40 to 45 years away from her life. 💔 l paid my respects on Sunday and spoke on her behalf on the news this week.
This guy may be smart, but also I don't agree with his message at all. We need to let Toki live out the rest of her life in a natural environment. It's torture otherwise. It's infuriating hearing this. Does he want her living in concrete walls ALONE for the rest of her life? It's absolutely ridiculous. I realize that this guy has close and personal relationship with Toki, but this is NOT the environment that she needs to spend the rest of her life in. Her new home IS the sanctuary. And hopefully she'll find her mother and pod one day...
Look at the Beluga Whales who are living in sanctuaries now... they are doing just fine.
I agree. Solitary confinement and concrete walls with 7 feet of space from the middle is what humanity imprision its worst to. WTF did this orca do?
Toki is the equivalent of an 80 year old lady. Did you even watch the interview? She would not survive the attempt at release - THAT would be torture for her. She would get sick from EVERY germ she comes across, and at her age, that is a death sentence.
Worse: She does not even know her relatives! And those relatives are struggling already. The southern population is in decline - and Toki would bring germs with her that they haven't ever encountered. Their few calves would be the first to get sick and die. It would wipe out the southern population.
This man is pure evil !!! He is guilty as well as the other humans who kept her a slave !!!
The Miami Seaquarium needs to be demolished.
Concerned about the potential illness she could have found in a ocean pen where she could at least hear her mother one last time before dying, then she dies in her oh-so-safe pool less than two months from the interview. Talk about cruel irony. With reports that the under feeding and wrong practices made her sick and mad at the end. Because of a staff member who used to work for sea world allegedly not wanting to feed her as she was before. In a green pool in isolation. Solitary confinement is never better than getting to experience her home or hearing her mom even in occasional visits. But ofcourse, no mention of her insurance policy. How coincidental that she dies before getting to go home.
"I have very strong concerns"
We are listening!
She will outlive her tank! She will have to be moved eventually! The sooner the better!
But yet she died !!!
"We give them vitamins, pills, and their fish"
" ... in their fish."
old mind sets with these people, free willy died free, they didn't locate his family, it's been known for years
What a lying, biased, paid shrill, upset for being booted away. 👋🏼
What other Cetatians Has Dr. Michael Renner cared for?
OK then if it's such a good veterinarian why did you why did they make her performance she was injured and why did they withdraw her food if she didn't do the right trick and why do you give her rotten fish then if she has gotten sick from that and she gotten sick from the tank she's in if you're such a good veterinarian how come she got sick them from the pool she's in and the food she ain't then how do you explain that huh
Her trainers made changes without the veterinarians approval.
He left before all the bad things started happening at MSQ when The Dolphin Company took over ownership.
They developed dental problems because of their captivity. I can elaborate ...
I agree that it’s all she has ever known. However her tank -pool was way too small and she deserved better. It was a money making thing and they made it apparent they were not going to provide her with a bigger pool. I think she may have done well in a sea pen as long as she had round the clock care. As far as having more space. They should not be in captivity and the least they could’ve done for her is provide her with a pool twice that size…. I hope she did receive love from her caretakers and they at least treated her with love and gave her affection, she surely didn’t not have the adequate space for a animal that size. Rest In Peace Lolita…I’m so sorry you were used for $$$$. SWIM FREE. 🌈❤💔😢
Brilliantly and eloquently said. Dr. Michael S. Renner is a kind, compassionate, and highly experienced marine mammal veterinarian. He is one of the best in the world. He has dedicated his professional life to making sure that every marine mammal in human care gets the best medical care possible. Everything he says here needs to be shared widely and digested. As a marine mammal radiologist, I have also been working with marine mammals for decades (25 years) and can confirm that what he says is true, and based in reality. This reality is based entirely on what's best for (1) this individual whale, and (2) the endangered Southern Resident Killer Whale population in the Pacific Northwest.
F U tool. If that was the case she would have been released 25 years ago.
She deserved to be free or a a way bigger pool, triple that size. I agree it’s all she has known, but that pools was not big enough, This was a money making thing and she was used. I hope her caretakers loved her and she had some love while here. Rest In Peace. ❤🌈💔😢
Weather it’s all she’s known she deserved better !! A prison who was locked up from 18 years old until 60 years old ! His cell is all he’s known !! Even if that man is innocent ! This man’s sounds stupid !!
I would like to see you live the rest of your life in concrete!
How about ripping you from your home, from everyone you know and love, and throw you out on the street when you are 80 years old (which would be app. the age equivalent) because your apartment is small and in need of redecoration?
BUT SHE DIED ANYWAYYYYYYYYYY !!!!
i agree her pool she lived in was to small but it’s true it’s all she knew. putting her in a sea pen was so so absurd for a killer whale that was as old as she was. Keiko was a lot younger then her and he didn’t even last more then a couple years. I think she would have died right away. but rip to Lolita I’m sad she passed away. putting these whales in the wild is all fairytale
the wild orcas are not getting enough fish to eat & he speaking about them people looking out for wild orca, 😄 you can't make that up
He's one of the few people who make sense on this issue.
Anti caps would rather see these whales starve to death in BC than see them under human care and fed.
Like the experts have said, no matter how gental the jailer, ITS STILL JAIL!!!! People need to put themselves in an Orcas body.....i think a nice sea pen w/ real kelp, fish, rocks to rub on , etc. Of course its not cheap, but imagine the type of jobs& educational opportunities that could come from it. Sounds great!!
Do all the whale activists actaually free their dogs in captivity as well?
The problem with sea world is she doesn't get along with other orca to be raked.
The problem with fixing her tank is that it needs to be drained!
That white spot behind an orca's eye is an real life halo. Angels are real and alive!
Ask those in the Oceangate submersible Titan.
Hypothetical she must be moved by humanity because she will outlive her tank.
You are not going to quit on her are U doc?
"She wouldn't have lived this long in horrible conditions"
He’s lying !!
I thought her name was Lolita ??
That's her Slave name. Her real name is Tokitae or Sk'ali'Chehl-tenaut, the new name given by the Lummi Nation a few years ago.
That was her stage name.
Lolita was her stage name at MSQ. Her real name is Tokitae.
50m years is not a good candidate. I disagree
I love orcas 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋
Her mother is alive and a mother and child who bonded never forget. She will get to live in a sea pen near her mother, her family! Thats better then a tiny pool alone for the rest of her life. I would rather live a year near my family and pass away than live 20 alone in a crappy pool
How are you so certain her mother and family will accept her? Have you witnessed this? I have seen mother orcas and mother dolphins attack and kill their calves in captivity and in the wild. Siblings too. I have witnessed killer whale and dolphin mothers abandon their calves after hours, weeks, months, years of separation, no less 50 plus years.
@michaelrenner9182 I never said anything about them accepting her, she does have communication memory from before she was taken. She will be able to hear her pod from her pen and communicate back if she chooses to do so. Still better than a tiny decaying pool, and at least a chance to live how she was meant too with help and care for the rest of her life in a 15 acre sea pen.
Would you want to suffer?
And you're not concerned about disease transfer to the wild endangered population?
Genetic testing shows L25 Ocean Sun is NOT her mother, and she isn't an L Pod whale, meaning she is J or K and all her immediate family is gone.
What if I gave Tokie unlimited money?
It makes sense that she doesn't know how to hunt for herself. Things he's saying make a lot of sense as far as the risks of moving Toki to natural sea water.
She isn’t going to be released so what does it matter if she doesn’t know how to hunt? She is being retired to a sea pen only.
@asu81 absolutely she will be cared for the rest of her life where she belongs
@@oatsmcgoats8493 wow… I can’t believe what I just read. You just described the ocean (the ancestral home of orcas) as being cold, lonely and dark to them… I can’t actually believe that level of stupidity…. Orcas have spent thousands of years adapting to living in an ocean environment, the same ocean environment Toki lived in for 4 years before her capture. Yes, she isn’t used to it as of now but she is literally primed to adapt to it. You’ve also spread misinformation here, it’s been confirmed that 2-3 pacific white sided dolphins will accompany her including her current tank mate. So she’ll have THE EXACT same company she currently has but in her natural waters where she’ll have more space, natural enrichment and the same round the clock care. You’re making bold and baseless assumptions by saying she won’t know how to interact with wild orcas (which by the way- isn’t the plan anyway). No one knows fully how she will react so don’t assume. As for diseases- yes that is a risk, but guess what? Her current environment IS making her ill. Captive cetaceans frequently suffer illnesses rarely seen in the wild but that consideration wasn’t, and still isn’t, taken into account when they’re taken into captivity.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 you really need to educate yourself on both the details of Toki’s release and the lives and history of wild orcas, because everything you just said was grossly inaccurate.
@@oatsmcgoats8493 ‘you can’t just force them into an environment they’ve never experienced’- funny that, the same consideration wasn’t applied when taking orcas from the wild in the first place.
The number one challenge is money!
I fully respect and understand what Dr. Renner is saying and he is right about quite a few points. The main one being Lolita/Tokatae’s candidacy for even a Sea Pen! Her age and time in captivity are most definitely issues for not only her but her extended family the Southern Resident Orcas!
So many people believe an Orca release is just like the Free Willy movie went..😂
It’s most definitely not!
@@oatsmcgoats8493
Exactly right. Kieko passed away a few short years after of pneumonia alone on the sea floor! He never learned to hunt or forage for himself. He was always seeking out human contact. The boaters were even at one point told to ignore him! He did make contact with a pod possibly his, however as per the scientist that were there when this momentarily momentous moment happened there was a very strategic approach from the pod to Kieko however complete silence!
Which begs the question on how else these amazing creatures communicate! But I digress he did not leave with them! He chose his human companions however less of them he had at that moment!
I actually started a Free Kieko petition at my junior high back then. However I honestly believed that the Marine Biologists & Orca Research Specialist were going to have more of a say in his “release” & what exactly that meant! Even then at the age of 14 I had been studying the research on the Orca long enough to know that he more than likely wasn’t such a great candidate for reintegration with his pod! Not having spent as much time relying on humans for so much. A SeaPen or SeaSide Sanctuary is not at all the same.
Although it does come with its own trials.
@@coffeecrimegal5968 Kieko became sick, unresponsive, and unprofitable due to his captivity. They dumped his worthless ass at the cheapest beach and played it off using the movie "Free Willy" to make it look like they did something good for the orca.
@@RabiesTheBeagle Not at all! I suggest you read up on the matter!
I somehow doubt it if you were even alive when all this took place?
@@oatsmcgoats8493 that is not at all true. Why don't you do some actual research on what happened to Keiko.
The plan should be to move her to a replica tank with at will access to the "sea pen" via the shortest estuary possible. The transition from tank water to seawater should take place as gradual as possible via the estuary. She is 100 percent welcome to choose her tank. She could choose the "sea pen" though. We move her dolphin friend and all of her water as well. If I had my druthers I would even close the road and cancel all other flights during her transport. This plan solves her crumbling tank issue as well as provides a back up new tank if things with the sea pen don't go well.
Dr. Renner is truly a stand-up guy. Take his word for it. He's one of the most experienced and honest in the business.
No. He is a stooge advocating somebody pay roughly 1M a week to tank her for 40 years so he can touch her on the nose (which she hate BTW) once every 3 weeks.
with sea World thinking 🙄
Sux to be you. We are going to give this orca a better life!
She is getting a new pool equal to or greater than her current pool.
Dr. Mengele, former Sea World Veterinarian.
Well put. Thank you
@@oatsmcgoats8493 she isn’t being fully released 😂 my god, look at the details. She won’t have to fend for herself- she will continue to be fed and cared for. She won’t be travelling hundreds of miles, she’ll just be kept in a large pen… a safe environment?! Are you joking, the state of her tank went VIRAL mere weeks ago because it’s falling apart. It’s actually been declared unsafe and no more than 10 people can be in the stadium at one time.
@@michaelrenner9182 you ignoring the blatant misinformation in their comment rather than correcting them says a lot about you and your reliability.
First off, you called me Dr Mengele? Really? You think that's ok? This is not about me. Or you. This is about Toki. And what's best for Toki. And btw the stadium is separate from the pool. Toki doesn't live in the stadium that surrounds the pool. She lives in the pool.
@@michaelrenner9182
You have a track record of supporting the capture of marine animals for the purposes of entertainment and research, as recently as the paper you signed in 2021.
What's best for Tokitae is not having someone with your biases given weight in the decision.
As for your concern, why has it taken you 30 years to go public?
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great interview 👍
Please do listen to Dr Michael Renner - he knows Toki intimately....her welfare is the reason he is speaking out now.
That tank does not have 40 more years in it. It MIGHT have 15. She will outlive it and require moved eventually anyway.
4 The algorithm!