'She is home': Famous orca’s former trainers & vet oppose plans to release her
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Support for Tokitae’s release has come from across the world in recent years- with celebrities like Cher even joining in.
Yet, a vocal group of people, some of the people closest to her including former trainers and veterinarians, are now speaking out against her release.
“I spent 18 years with her, that is a 35% of my life... forming such an incredible love and bond with this animal,” said Heather Keenan, manager of animal training at the Miami Seaquarium from 1999 to 2016.
“She leaves an impression on everybody that meets her, said Marnie Wood, also a former manager of animal training at the Miami Seaquarium. "Even people that see her for a minute or two. She is truly a unique and special animal."
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It's super sad that this beautiful animal has made them MILLIONS, but that they couldn't take some of all that money, to better her own habitat. How selfish and cruel.
So true.
What about all the money lions and elephants bring to zoos hypocrite!!!!
Her home is with her family in the OCEAN!
Former trainer's, MARNIE WOODS, reasons to want to keep this living intelligent enslaved:
1. She spent 18 yrs with her, ie 35% of her, the trainer's life.
2. She formed a bond, according to her (nvm it had no choice given it is confined and dependent on them for survival).
3. She trusts it with her child (poor kid).
4. Her child loves killer whales bc they have one confined that she can force to entertain her child.
5. She loved getting to intoduce her newborn baby to it despite that it is being deprived of its family and home to make that happen for Marnie.
Her fellow trainer's, HEATHER KEENAN, take: "i don't think it is in her, the killer whale's, best interest. I FEEL LIKE it is what ppl think is in her best interest .. what ppl feel in some virtuous moment, TO MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD. But its not looking out for this animal's best interest."
Is Heather talking about herself and Marnie? The lack of self awareness is astounding .... the only reasons they are angry is bc they dont want to lose what makes THEM, the trainer's, feel good. All the reasons they give as an argument to keep her are about making them feel good 🤔 .... and the other ppl want the killer whale to be reunited with its own kind and free in the home to which it belongs.
They do not know the difference between selfish and selfless???
@kc4208 Beautifully put. That's exactly what I saw in their hypocrisy and lack of self awareness!
And she had the nerve to insinuate the public is pushing for her release so we can feel good about ourselves. No lady, we are imagining spending 50+ years in a bathtub sized room and have actual empathy, this is why we're pushing for it. They say she's afraid of other animals, OK, so don't put other animals in the holding pen with her?? They also say she wouldn't handle being dumped cold turkey in the cove, when they know that there are a series of pens that prepare the orca over months for the eventual relocation. If the objective experts (not any of the people in this video) feel her health is deteriorating during this process, then she's not going to be forced into the cove.
@@wallabygoose3943 i agree with you. I do not know how anyone, knowing what we know now, could advocate keeping these magnificent creatures isolated from THEIR families in, as you say, a bathtub to perform for very loud audiences which they do bc they want to eat .... using food/fish to get them to do tricks is so sad to me. The whole thing is sad .... and these trainers in this vid are the worst ... very selfish ppl. Marnie pissed me off acting like the killer whale is her children's pet and therefore should continue to be miserable for their, her children's amusement. 🤮🤮🤮
@@kc4208 I 100% agree, couldn't have said it better! Marnie could've done her cause better by not saying anything honestly
Keep going to zoos idiot
You took her from captivity, why shouldn’t she be released. Poor animals, just sickening that they have to live in tiny areas. Orca prisoner is all it is! Pray that these beautiful animals can be released from their captivity.
Elephants and hippos live in spaces not even a 1000th the size of a seaqyarium same with lions cheetahs and leopards. U think zebras can run in a zoo pen? Ur a fool
Cause thats how that Doctor makes his money. He don’t want to let her go so he’s gonna say anything 😢
How could you say you love her after being a part of the horrible team that kept her hostage and being a slave. The amount of money she brought in is in the millions. Lets give her her freedom and if she dies then she will die free.
But she will suffer
What are all captive animals. How is it diferdnf than u gojbv go a zoo and see 3-; tin elephants confined to land the size of a family home and which is more cruel j hypocritical as l fool . Of all captive animals or as are probably treated fhe best hippos dkspbabtz can’t move
Lions leopards have no where to run whicc CC h is worse Orcas are kept in 5-10 acres tanks and perform full exercises daily. U people have no clue seeing animals suffer when ghdy can’t move in zoos all over the world which h shamelessly allow!!! But u think orcas are the victims open ur eyes
U a as ll have family members that are holding huskies and shepherds prisoners in friends and family homes not thinking of what’s best for the animal h hypocritical idiots . People should not adopt active dogs if they ardbt dedicated to exercising them daily
@@michaelrenner9182 She is suffering now.
@@michaelrenner9182 Never more than NOW!
@@roobearlillibee5301 you are absolutely right! Why should I give my opinion. Obviously you have all the answers. I'll just shut my mind down, not feel or care about anything. Thank you for your enlightenment. Have a wonderful life in your world of captivity and slavery. Its people like you that has made the world what it is today. 🤗
The Miami Seaquarium staff and ownership should be ashamed of themselves. I live in Seattle but have family in Miami. Last year, I took my nephews to the Seaquarium thinking, "it's by the ocean, it's in Florida...certainly it's gonna be one of the best aquariums in the USA...right?" WRONG. THE MIAMI SEAQUARIUM IS A PRISON FOR SEA CREATURES. Dolphins, orcas, manatees, etc. swimming in circles in tiny cylindrical tanks with absolutely no semblance of their native habitats (at least some zoos *attempt* to replicate land animal habitats!). Just tanks with white walls (and apparently peeling paint, which makes it even worse). Trainers treating dolphins like show horses for tourists who couldn't be bothered to think twice about what they were watching. They made those dolphins and orcas perform shows while blasting Van Halen and KISS over the speakers. The park itself was neglected and most of the exhibits were closed. Huge waste of money. If the administration can't even keep the park in decent condition, why should we trust them to know what's best for Tokitae?
This story is beginning to really frustrate me. There is absolutely no way that Tokitae is happy where she is, and the doctor and team suggesting that the Miami Seaquarium is her "home" are psychotic and untrustworthy. At best, she has a relationship with her handlers because those are the only friends she has and she is trying to make the most of being in prison. The hubris of people who think holding animals captive is what's best for them... Orcas are highly intelligent and I know Tokitae will be absolutely overcome with joy and relief if she's returned to the Pacific/Salish region where she belongs. If Tokitae is returned, even in the very worst possible scenario where she doesn't adjust well, at least she will be in her real home. I do, however, believe Tokitae will adapt quickly to her home. BRING TOKITAE BACK!!!!
Wish those "trainers" would see this comment. Well said!
And for the trainer to say "killer whale" means they are of old thinking. They probably think she's happy in the tank and "taken care of." Disgraceful
The trainer quoting Toki shouldnt be moved because she doesnt like changes also quotes that Toki should go to Sea World.... Whats wrong with this woman? Sorry, but I cant take her seriously!
A wild animal shouldn’t be “trained”! They didn’t spend time with her, they enslaved her!! 💔
All animals are wild animals dipshif!!! Some have been domesticated trained or enslaved which according g to u depends which wild animal ur talking about! How is sea world different than a zoo get real or people kidnapping dogs and cats making them sit in a house 24/7 getting no exercise !!! Which is the slave
@@outside3708 domesticated = kidnapped and forced servitude without any regard for the health of the animal. People should need to get licensed before forcing servitude of dogs that have health needs!!!! People holding active dogs hostage at home is just as pathetic as animals in zoos and seaquariums!!!
Those former trainers are just jealous of the current trainers who will be involved and move with Toki!
I’d rather die free than in prison being innocent
They just don’t want to loose their cash cow. Her fin is starting to lay down. That’s the obvious sign she’s been in captivity too long
The trainer's speaking out for Toki don't work for Miami Seaquarium and haven't for a long time. Did you watch the video at all?
What do u think lions are at zoos
A CASH COW
@@charfras4767 2 different species.
I don't think Tokitae belongs in a tank for the rest of her life. She belongs to be free in the ocean in a seapen. She can survive. She's a stong orca
If she dies in the move so be it. She has no quality of life in the small pen.
Your a fool to make a generality like that!!! U know nothing about animals u ever have a dog? Did u know all dogs come from the wolf but screwing with the dna for consumers like u have forced the animal genes to change from a wolf to a chihuahua!!! Talk about raping wild animals u know nothing fool!!!!
What they should do is what they did to dogs modify theirs genes to shrink to the size of a 100 lb dog would that make u happy ?!?
The hypocrisy of these "trainers" and veterinarian who have traumatized this whale for decades now claiming that many experts are doing this for "human benefit". Their selfishness comes through with every word but I guess they have to rationalize what they've done to this poor captive for so many years. The reality is that it's already been done and not just with "Keiko" (who btw, lasted longer than he would have if he had remained in captivity). The ugliness of suggesting that this poor creature hasn't yet suffered enough that she should be sentenced to remaining in a shallow concrete tub, with chlorinated water, getting sunburned, continuing to develop severe tooth and health issues from gnawing the cement pool from frustration and boredom. How very kind and thoughtful of them.
It sickens me that this orca has made her owners SO MUCH MONEY and they couldn't at least upkeep her living quarters for her. Isn't that the LEAST she deserves? I hope they do whatever is in her best interests. That should include a much larger place to live wherever it is. These are highly intelligent and social creatures. She cannot possible be happy in a small cramped pool all by herself.
You guys owe that whale all that money you made on her.
Her best interest is being with other orcas in her native waters, nothing less. They're highly social. She's suffering all alone. Keeping her contained is selfish on all levels.
She deserves to feel the tides before she dies.
Hilarious they say she won’t survive a transfer to a sea pen but then want her transferred to sea world.
Going from pool in Miami, FL to pool in Orlando, FL is very different from riding in a truck all the way to Seattle on the opposite side of the continent and moving into the ocean.
Edit to add:
Miami to Orlando 237 miles, 3 1/2 hrs
Miami to Seattle 3229 miles, 48 hrs (non-stop)
@@Cillana But they say she doesnt like changes... Then why Sea World, huh?!?
@@winonalovers it's less change and safer trip
The trainers opinions shouldn’t matter, they were KEY to the abuse, the best interest was to never capture and enslave them.
I'm no vegan, but don't orcas tend to stick around thier territories, even when they migrate they'll come back. Toki's mother if alive may very well still be there wondering where her daughter went.
The trainers each spent more than a decade abusing Tokitae. They didn’t speak up when they were abusing her, but they “felt they had to speak up” against her release.
Free this poor animal into the wild so she can have some happiness with what’s left of her life, and please close down these awful aquariums that only use these beautiful animals for monetary gain. These animals are not a commodity to be caught and exploited like they are. All of these aquariums that are used for entertainment purposes should be shut down and the only aquariums that should be allowed are ones that are used for the purpose of rehabilitation for injured animals with the intent to release them immediately once their injuries have healed. Continuing to keep this poor Orca in such a small confined space for this long is sadistic and cruel!!
FREE HER NOW!!!😡
That woman is so selfish......free the animal at once.......
Your living in an OCEAN and then someone chases you, catches you and puts you in what must seem like a baby pool. It’s interesting for a while but wouldn’t reach a point what you get sick of it???!!!
Anyone saying these animals shouldn't be set free, or either wildly ignorant or evil only one of those two things
These poor creatures were kidnapped from their families. They ripped them from their moms and whole family. These people speaking are vile.
It's so sad that after being reduced to this slave prison these poor souled trainers have nothing better in heart and mind but to advocate for her permanent incarceration 😢
Living life to be "content" is not living.
I love that these people also know what "she wants" they will never know. We will never understand her. They are fooling themselves thinking they do.
Better to die free than in a prison.
noooooooooooooooooooo free her Thank u Cher
They belong in the wild everyone should watch blackfish documentary then you will see the harm that being kept in captivity does to these animals
I just saw two selfish women you can already tell from the beginning they have to make it revolve around them, “that’s 35% of my life” and the other one “my baby” I say lock those women up in a bathroom for their whole lives and say they’re home
A Whale does not belong in a swimming pool Nature NEVER intended this for her or any other creature of the sea . She needs to be Free Immediately
She's going into a sanctuary close to where she was captured. She has never a live fish. Hopefully she will be in the new sanctuary and out of that prison she has been in for over 50 years
Did i just hear those "trainers" say how much they love her?
18 years you worked in SeaWorld. 18 years of coming in every single day and "training" these amazing souls. 18 years of forcing them to perform for the sole purpose of money!!!!!!!!!!
So, don't you dare stand there and tell everyone how much you love her!
18 years!!!
18 fucking years to do something. But instead y'all decided to cash those paychecks!!!
Well, now its too late! Tokitae lost her battle to evil and her blood is on YOUR hands!!!
18 years!!!
Smh ... 18 fucking years of silence!!! Shame on ALL of you!!!!!!
Rest easy, sweet sweet Tokitae. I am so sorry these humans failed you ... for 18 fucking years!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahh, the trainer's entire identity is working with this sentient animal... Better keep it in a cage for the rest of it's life, so she can feel good about herself I guess
I'd like to see her free too, but after half a century in captivity I don't think this will end well. I hope I'm wrong.
SEA SANCTUARY! Where is everyone getting the nonsense she's going to be wild by herself in the ocean? she's going to have 24/7 human care
I'd rather live a year near my family then 20 in a tiny swimming pool alone
Look at how her life has been.
I don't know if she could survive in the wild either. I'd be curious to know. I've never heard of a killer whale released from captivity into the wild. But this one is not going into the wild per se.
They are not just dumping her in the open ocean and leaving her, she will be in a ocean pen with 24/7 care. Much better living situation than she is in currently. Of course there are risks and she will experience some stress but she’s already experiencing constant stress. She deserves the chance at experiencing a better living situation instead of dying in a fish bowl! It is a gamble but think positive and pray it works for her. She deserves the opportunity to live as free as possible for the remainder of her precious life. 🖤🤍🙏🏼🙏🏼
Talk about naive and DELUSIONAL former trainers. Couldn’t even help Tokitae move into a bigger bathtub. Please, this is beyond sad and infuriating for Toki’s whale family and Lummi Nation family.
The entire situation is blah….Well it sounds like they have a lot of environmental conditioning to do with her…..What are you going to do leave her in that tank until it can’t even hold water anymore? Sea pen or new tank she needs to be conditioned because she has to be moved.
Release her back to her family!
She doesn’t like change bc she’s been traumatized her entire life …
The pool she is in now is horrible!
Your not Safe 🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸
Look what you have done .. shes died in your care now. Disgraceful!
They kept her in that one spot for 5 decades??? :/
Terrible lifetime jailed
They let her die in captivity rip toki
She wouldn't know what to do in the wild, poor dear has been there for so long , and NO, NO do not drive her across country.
Are you happy now she is died?! You killed a wild animal in jail for 5 decades !!
Of coarse they do
I really sure she going find boats and people because they never see big ocean!!!!
CC said her name was Morning Wood.
Sick paid off evil vets … karma needs to come to them.
Rotten fish bad tank sea world has more than enough
Wow! Spoken like true slave masters.
Cool ⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️
She even thinks its a whale!! Its a Dolphin not a whale.
You're a wonderful predictor of the future.
I think these are good points. Concerns should be addressed.
All of the concerns were addressed and none of these are valid. they sound ignorant to be quite frank.
Tokitae couldn't even deal with a new species in her pool. How is she supposed to deal with a sea pen? These are former trainers, they have no financial incentive to speak out about this. And they had no control over how she was kept - the Seaquarium has been through multiple owners and they never updated the tank. It is not the trainer's fault. The trainers care about Toki and know her best. But people would rather believe the fairy tale the activists are telling them rather than reality.
Hindsight is 20/20 but WHY didn't they fight to have her move to another park back when they were working for MSQ? It's obvious to anyone that that tank is too small and outdated.
How would you like to spend your life in a man made jail ! These are wild animals and humans are the slave owners.
There's a video I posted of another orca thriving being released to the wild with other actual orca not in a net
@@realtalk5329 None of which spent more than 1-2 years in captivity. Remind me, how long has Lolita been in captivity?
@@sepnyte9422 doesn't matter it's the right thing to do. She is still calling out in her Salish sea language and and is a very smart animal. It's not like orcas have predators
I think its bad for her to be let go, shes been in Captivity way too long to know how to hunt for herself,. Let alone even know what other animals are to be afraid of them. I think this is gonna end up killing the wale in the long run. I feel for bad over this
Humans are selfish and don't learn from the mistakes from the past. She deserves to be free.
She isn’t being out in the wild to fend for herself. It’s a sea pen with 24/7 care. They aren’t just dropping her to be on her own.
Unfortunately most of the news coverage about Toki is really misleading and this video in particular leaves out many of the crucial facts about her planned journey. As it is, Toki is not actually being "released" into the wild, she is merely being returned to her native waters to live out the rest of her life in a huge special made sea pen that will properly accommodate her and will be as close to supplementing her natural habitat as possible. She will still be protected and all of her needs will still be provided for, including feeding and routine veterinary care, she just won't be on display, forced to perform or be exploited for profit anymore. She will be allowed to live the remainder of her life as close to free and naturally as possible and be near to her native pod. It's actually the best case scenario for a whale like Toki, and will be a vast improvement over her current enclosure (let alone moving her to another theme park to be exploited further as her former "trainers" want).
Totally agree Lolitra and Corky releasing them is signing them a death sentence in their late 50's. The riskd mare too great!!! Kierko only lived in the wild for a year and was a teenager. Corky is the matriarch of sd sea world and at almost 60 still [performing., Why does mno one talk about condityions of elephants and hippos in spaces no bigger than a house confined
Keiko lived 5 years in the ocean, 1.5 on his own. he died from pneumonia which was not his fault. And corky shouldn't be preforming she should be retired to a sea pen aswell. they're not going to the wild, lolita is going to a sea sanctuary with 24/7 human care. please do research! and what do u mean! all the elephants from the ringing bros was moved to large 100 acre sanctuaries
Keiko was released in 2002 and died in 2003 ahole. U do research I don’t consider a pen being released.
If corky is healthy and happy why shouldn’t she perform? Are u a vet? Releasing them even to a pen I’m the ocean exposes them to a world with viruses they have not built any immunity to. It also forces them especially at ah old age fight for food and Keiko would never have gotten sick if he wasn’t exposed u kniw nothing u Bloviating douche bag.
Everyone at San Diego sea world talks about how healthy corky is and is the training wehale for new hires because how calm she is, III have followed corky since I first saw her perform with Orky.
U people like to lie and say how killer whales don’t live as long as wild counterparts when the fact is they only started captive programs in the 60s. All most all wild animals live longer captive because of the medical attention steady diet and managed health programs . Corky and Lolita Vancouver pic is almost gone because of human encroachment and lack of food and pollution!!! Is that factored into these dangerous decisions with older animals. U should do research Jack.
These animals are treated like slaves.
@@junebradford2964 and what are pet dogs in most households. Do people adopt huskies malamutes shepherds allow for exercise in the open or are most confined to tiny corners in apartments and small homes? Mistreatment of animals is everywhere. How often u go to zoos and see elephants who can’t even walk around?? Hypocrite
@@charfras4767 last time i checked Huskies or Malamutes are not considered wild animals. I haven't been to a zoo in over 20 years. Orcas are ripped from their families and used for profit in horrible conditions. You sound stupid Karen 🤦♀️