For thumb pulling to be more effective you gotta do fascia massages, when this layer of tissue is rigid it prevents bone movement and causes tension on the face, do miofascial release and pressure based massages to loosen the fascia so the bone moves and grows easier
Would this be those gua-sha exercises? Or do you just use your knuckles and massage around your face? ATM I'm only massaging my masseters, once per night.
@@cyzz_life no, it only should be hand and knuckle based, massage the masseters, temporalis, occipitals, pressure points and stuff, search videos of stretches and do them before every thumb pulling session (or once everyday BEFORE doing thumb pulling) also don’t forget to do suture loosening/expansion
Yeah this is not talked about as much but is super important if you want expansion. Especially those tight massesters, strongest muscle in the body literally will pull down your zygomatic and mandible down and back if they’re too tight. Most people aren’t in tune with their body and subtle unconcisous stressors of modern living can keep your fascia and facial muscles tight without even knowing
The hyoid, perhaps? If you don't mind, a link would be much appreciated! You'd have to put it in like www dot google dot com, since links are banned in my comments.
You were not talkign slow cyzz, it was kinda perfect cuz of the amount of packed information in one video, Ill sub as a thank for helping us for free 😊
Hey, love the video really gave me the basic rundown of how to do thumb pulling. How long do you think it would take to see results if i do it the recomended amount of times stated in the video along side mewing.
Thanks brother! That's hard to say, especially since I don't know your age, or your start and end goals. From my experience, you should give it a few months of consistent practice to see improvements.
I personally chew mastic gum, hard mew, and thumb pull. I don't like tongue chewing since I can't do it for long periods of time or place a comparable amount of force with my tongue.
i think moving the head forward and up is faster because instead of just the tongue, more face muscles can be engaged in moving the maxilla forward and up when good posture is achieved.
i actually know exactly why my face is slightly asymmetrical and my twins isnt. first we both mewed, but i did slightly wrong (probably him too we have the same face) but the worst part is bc im asian i have shovel teeth so for some reason i rested the tip of my tongue on the concave backside of my top left incisor, just a cozy little spot to put the tip. when i do the same now, i feel my tongue perfectly covering everything with even pressure. of course ive stopped
When thumbpulling i feel pressure in my TMJ not painful and pressure in my cheekbones? Its good right? Also great video man all the good stuff without the bs and advanced shit tbh, all the basics but with tips, love your videos man!
@@cyzz_life Thanks man i do massage glad to know ! Please dont stop making videos and pls make more videos of jaw pill or sumn like that. The heightpill is enough lmao. Thx
Have you heard of the Schwartz appliance? Its a palate expander kinda like the homeoblock but you can apparently buy it online with no orthodontist needed
I had not until you posted this comment. I found a link to it-- they make it custom for $300, found here: www.grahamtool.com/at-homedental/schwartz-dental-expander-appliance-at-home Promising stuff.
@@NightmareChronicles77 best if used in children and teens. MARPE and SARPE are the more effective ones for adults, and they cost a lot more. I think you can still see results, but fusion of the palatal suture is the main obstacle.
how would you do this for an asymmetrical palate/face, like one side being lower than the other? and are you supposed to use alot of force when doing thumbpulling to the point your muscles strain? cus i definitely cannot strain my muscles for 9 minutes straight, or should you use soft strength?
My palette is narrow so i can’t mew I’ve only been able to get the tip of my tongue in the proper area rather than setting on my teeth so only option is to somehow widen palette so i can start mewing but once thumb pulling causes it to be wide enough for tongue to fit so i stop pushing ?
The right side of my maxilla is higher than the left side, could I still do this? Is there ways to help bring the right side down and left side up please? I’ve been mewing for a long long time..
bro at what age spine growth plate closed i am 19yr old fatty so i am worried about do i need to do spine x ray because my knee growth plates are fused
Avg age is 17, late is 25 (for men). If you're fat, cut down first (high body weight = lots of compression on your bones, and visceral fat = less HGH released within your body). No need for more xrays, try to create microfractures and stretch them out with banded sleeping (you need post-puberty methods at 19). Best of luck!
Same here. I use all my strength (plus curling downwards with my neck to add pressure), and I do 15 seconds at a time. Training grip strength with grippers is a good idea
Where do you think is the most ideal point to pull the teeth apart? I’ve been doing it between the last or 2nd to last molar, but I feel like it would make more sense to do it more central given that’s where there is the suture split(at least for me)
I can definitely make one! Might take a month since I have other vids lined up. Btw I agree that it's easy to do it wrong, but pulling symmetrically on the bone (not teeth) is a good starting point. Thx for the suggestion
I have not measured my inter molar width of my palate but i feel like i cant mew, even if i mew it doesnt sit properly and my teeth touches the tongue, i am 14 and a month right now, should i just do myofcuntional excersises and then do mewing ? Becausei cant mew and also i have slight micorgnathia, and overbite, i have really good features except my recessed lower jaw, i cant ait till 25 to get any implants, does mewing work for slef diagnosed micrognathia?
No, unless you pull with different forces on each side. It'd be a good idea to monitor this, and to train your grip strength up to be approximately the same in both hands.
I pull directly outward (to the sides), then directly forward (behind the central incisors). A few sets back and forth will help my palate expand in all directions.
Sure! I assume you know the reasoning for why it works (maxilla forwards and up). So here's how: Put one or both thumbs behind your central incisors, thumbs pointing toward the center of the roof of your mouth. Pull as hard as possible on the bone (not the teeth, this causes flaring). Try to tuck your chin as you pull, to add even more force on the palate, making sure the overall force will be "upward and out" relative to upright head posture. Hold for 10-15 sec at first, then increase this time as you progress. Ideally 2x 3 min/day to begin with.
I am 17 year old after 3 years of braces my whole face became small and it had a big impact on my lower jaw .is there a technique to expand my lower jaw
The back of the upper palate is wide but it gets narrow until it reach the first molars and the front of the palate is wider , the problem is the back of the palate and the front is wide but the middle of the palate is narrow , should I thumb pull there or what and should I only pull or pull and push upwards ?
That's an interesting issue. Ideally your back palate is wide and your front is slightly narrower (following the shape of your tongue). Focus on the back more, but still pull forward and up (you want expansion in all directions)
Thanks for replying but cyzz my very back of my palate is 42mm wide which is ideal but it get narrow until it reaches the first molars , my palate is shaped like a V , my back of my tongue fits and the front of my tongue fits but in the middle it doesn't fit
Neuro crainal restructuring, right? Pretty sure you need an appliance with a nasal pump to make it happen, which some ppl may not have access to. Good mention tho!
facial forward growth caused by thumb pulling is bound to affect your face from results I've seen. I don't think it will MAKE your nose smaller but it might give the illusion of a smaller nose. You can look at peoples' results from thumb pulling on the internet and observe the changes in their skull structure as well as their nose if you want to make sure.
Yes, those changes just come slower. Technically, any thumb pulling you do will help accelerate your mewing progress; the rate at which change occurs just depends on the time spent pulling. I've made it a habit to thumb pull in the morning and at night, as well as right after washing my hands. I don't do all 81 minutes of the full routine, but it's still enough to see changes.
Unlikely. Maybe you'll achieve some correction because a wider palate will promote less overcrowding. But it sounds like you'd want a professional orthodontic job.
One of the few videos that actually explained the concept of thumb pullingIt would be great if you could make a video of actually thumb pulling. I'm still not clear as to where exactly to place my thumbs.
For sure! Your thumbs should always point towards the center of the roof of your mouth, the pads should go directly on the bone right above the teeth (molars, central incisors), provided you have the room. That's the best I can explain it in words, I suppose a vid would be better. I'll see what I can do.
@@cyzz_life Hey bro, just one more question....I thumb pull sideways, upwards and in forward direction for 18 hours every day...doing 90 sec of each variation every hour. I'm 21 years old and i genetically have a sharp and protruding jawline...but i just desire to make my eyes a bit more hunter-like and also push my maxilla a bit forward, although ig it's already placed where it should be...but there's nothing wrong in giving it a try, right!? . It's been 4 days doing this routine. How much time will it take for me to notice some change considering my daily routine?
@@Nostra189 Sorry, missed this comment bc I get a lot on this channel. I assume you mean 18 min every day? 18 hrs seems impossible haha. Since you're 21, your sutures have most likely fused (like mine have), so growth will come slowly. Thumb pulling is something that should be part of your lifestyle, and one day in the future (after months, maybe years), you'll notice subtle changes. This may not be what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
This question is best answered by an orthodontist. My assumption is that the slower the expansion, the smaller the gap. You can also get braces afterward to bring those two teeth back together, without reducing your palate.
I don't believe so. You just have to try it for yourself, or find anecdotes of other's success stories. It does work, but nobody has done a study on it
That's actually a good question. I don't know, I'm sorry. My best guess is that thumb pulling won't work, because we're mainly targeting the maxilla here, and it won't bring that lower jaw forward.
It will enhance mewing, and if done correctly, should never ruin your facial aesthetics. Obviously, I cannot make guarantees, but if you've heard stories of "mewing ruining someone's life" I'd say it's fairly unlikely that they had correct form or used even pressure on both sides.
@@Encai. I agree. But it's hard to get there naturally-- most botched jobs are surgical. Also, keep in mind that you have full control over when / how hard you thumb pull.
Changes won't be permanent if you revert back to bad habits. You'r face will return back to its original state. Ideally, you incorporate this into your lifestyle and do it indefinitely.
@@cyzz_lifeyea i mew now forever i think, but if people had an expander and the palate got widened, it usually stays there or not? So why thumb pulling should not be permanent?
@@Chef_cookk Because the bad habits that put your maxilla and palate into this state will return once you stop thumb pulling. If you ditch those bad habits and mew subconsciously, then ther shouldn't be any problems with the narrow palate returning.
If you do thumb pulling, the chance of a tooth gap is very low, since changes come very gradually (0.1 mm a day max). If this worries you, just remember that you can control when and how long you thumb pull for, so you should never end up with the gap. You have full control
Ramus is pretty hard to change, I think mewing, chewing and thumb pulling are your best bets, outside of losing body fat. I can try to do some research, and if it's interesting enough, I'll make a vid
Assuming you're just starting out, 10-15 sec per pull for a total of 3 minutes in a session. Then do it 2x a day. Ideally you get stronger and can pull for longer in the future. Remember to only pull on bone, and pull evenly. Results come slow, but they will come.
@@cyzz_life but cyzz I have 3 molars in the left side and two in the right side , is it okay to do thumb pulling or should I use a ruler to balance things out
To fix the asymmetry, pull on one side only. I don't know how your tooth shifted within 1 week, but I'd need to know more in order to assess your situation
@@cyzz_life actually my palate was too narrow , and my face was already asymmetric on right side of my face but idk from past 1week i started hard mewing that like uneven mewing and hard thumbpulling too (twice a day 8-10min) but after 1 week , my face is looking more asymmetrical and while smiling my tooth is looking more crooked also idk what happened. And my jaw structure also a bit changed (i guess by seeing myself in the mirror) and it is noticeable. I need a solution, please help it just ruined my face
@@kiranmandal4591 Chew more gum on the right side, and trust the process. I don't believe a week can make such drastic changes, so it's most likely just your perception (you notice it more now that you're focusing on it every day). But if anything starts hurting or feels off, stop and consult a dentist / orthodontist.
Muscles always "win" over bone. It's the same reason why mewing works. Bone has plasticity to it (it can be molded with enough time and enough force/pressure). If your masseters (and other fascia) are tight, then those muscles will dictate how the bone grows. Or, how the bone is reformed.
Pretty much impossible. SH's face sunk down and inwards due to gravity, and his facial muscle's inability to support the skull is what distorted his face so badly (a result caused by his face muscles atrophying due to his genetic disease).
no bro I have been thumbpulling for 1 month I prayed for god to save my face from any damaged from thumpulling and my sleep has been improved and my cardio and a bit of tongue space
Note: when I say pull behind your teeth, always pull on the bone. Only on the bone, otherwise you'll cause flaring of the teeth.
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@@cyzz_life bro but how do u pull for the front?
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For thumb pulling to be more effective you gotta do fascia massages, when this layer of tissue is rigid it prevents bone movement and causes tension on the face, do miofascial release and pressure based massages to loosen the fascia so the bone moves and grows easier
Would this be those gua-sha exercises? Or do you just use your knuckles and massage around your face? ATM I'm only massaging my masseters, once per night.
@@cyzz_life no, it only should be hand and knuckle based, massage the masseters, temporalis, occipitals, pressure points and stuff, search videos of stretches and do them before every thumb pulling session (or once everyday BEFORE doing thumb pulling) also don’t forget to do suture loosening/expansion
You really know your stuff. Love that you're sharing this info here, thanks brother. I'll look into it, might be worth making a video on.
Yeah this is not talked about as much but is super important if you want expansion. Especially those tight massesters, strongest muscle in the body literally will pull down your zygomatic and mandible down and back if they’re too tight. Most people aren’t in tune with their body and subtle unconcisous stressors of modern living can keep your fascia and facial muscles tight without even knowing
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There is another type of thumb pulling which helps a lot more with forward growth
Are your referencing the idea of face pulling or belt pulling?
@@cyzz_life no, it is a pulling you do with your thumbs on another bone
The hyoid, perhaps? If you don't mind, a link would be much appreciated! You'd have to put it in like www dot google dot com, since links are banned in my comments.
@@cyzz_life bro did you erase my comment?
@@mars2kplus I never erase comments bro. YT musta glitched, I never saw a msg on my end.
You were not talkign slow cyzz, it was kinda perfect cuz of the amount of packed information in one video, Ill sub as a thank for helping us for free 😊
Yep, full guides tend to be that way. I suppose it seems slow to me bc I already know what I'm going to say when rewatching.
Will thumbpulling make my lips wider?
Hey, love the video really gave me the basic rundown of how to do thumb pulling. How long do you think it would take to see results if i do it the recomended amount of times stated in the video along side mewing.
Thanks brother! That's hard to say, especially since I don't know your age, or your start and end goals. From my experience, you should give it a few months of consistent practice to see improvements.
Besides thumbpulling, what are some other DIY alternatives? For example, what about hard mewing? Or tongue chewing?
I personally chew mastic gum, hard mew, and thumb pull. I don't like tongue chewing since I can't do it for long periods of time or place a comparable amount of force with my tongue.
@cyzz_life why do it for a long time, do it for a brief intense time then when you reach momentary muscular failure stop?
Amazing video, but how hard do I have to pull throughout each session? Like as hard as I can the whole time or at like 50%?
As much as harder you can
i think moving the head forward and up is faster because instead of just the tongue, more face muscles can be engaged in moving the maxilla forward and up when good posture is achieved.
Do you mean thumbpulling up and forward? Or simply just orienting the head differently?
i actually know exactly why my face is slightly asymmetrical and my twins isnt. first we both mewed, but i did slightly wrong (probably him too we have the same face) but the worst part is bc im asian i have shovel teeth so for some reason i rested the tip of my tongue on the concave backside of my top left incisor, just a cozy little spot to put the tip. when i do the same now, i feel my tongue perfectly covering everything with even pressure. of course ive stopped
When thumbpulling i feel pressure in my TMJ not painful and pressure in my cheekbones? Its good right? Also great video man all the good stuff without the bs and advanced shit tbh, all the basics but with tips, love your videos man!
Hell yeah thanks for the kind words! Pressure is a good thing, remember to massage those masseters to help with the TMJD
@@cyzz_life Thanks man i do massage glad to know ! Please dont stop making videos and pls make more videos of jaw pill or sumn like that. The heightpill is enough lmao. Thx
@@cyzz_life Also check out my other comment if you could, sorry to disturb tbh. Just sayin if you want to read all at you can im just sayin, thanks.
Have you heard of the Schwartz appliance? Its a palate expander kinda like the homeoblock but you can apparently buy it online with no orthodontist needed
I had not until you posted this comment. I found a link to it-- they make it custom for $300, found here: www.grahamtool.com/at-homedental/schwartz-dental-expander-appliance-at-home
Promising stuff.
@@cyzz_life legit or nah?
@@NightmareChronicles77 best if used in children and teens. MARPE and SARPE are the more effective ones for adults, and they cost a lot more. I think you can still see results, but fusion of the palatal suture is the main obstacle.
Does this also works in your 30's?
how would you do this for an asymmetrical palate/face, like one side being lower than the other? and are you supposed to use alot of force when doing thumbpulling to the point your muscles strain? cus i definitely cannot strain my muscles for 9 minutes straight, or should you use soft strength?
I have the same concern
great video bro, just wondering should we pull horizontally or vertically or do you do both? thanks and if both how many reps of each
I do both, you want to expand the maxilla forwards and sideways. I don't count reps, I count time
@@cyzz_life I got till failure
thumbpulling is fucking cope past age 16 when ur sutures fuse
That's interesting, I never heard of this. I assumed it was like mewing-- results are always possible, just slower after puberty ends.
@@cyzz_life yes it is
My palette is narrow so i can’t mew I’ve only been able to get the tip of my tongue in the proper area rather than setting on my teeth so only option is to somehow widen palette so i can start mewing but once thumb pulling causes it to be wide enough for tongue to fit so i stop pushing ?
i had this same problem few months back, but it's so better now compared to before keep thumb pulling and your palate will eventually get wide
My tip is touching the palate but part under the tip fingers is also touching is it safe to do further?
The right side of my maxilla is higher than the left side, could I still do this? Is there ways to help bring the right side down and left side up please?
I’ve been mewing for a long long time..
Does the mandible follow the maxilla after the age of 25?
bro at what age spine growth plate closed i am 19yr old fatty so i am worried about do i need to do spine x ray because my knee growth plates are fused
Avg age is 17, late is 25 (for men). If you're fat, cut down first (high body weight = lots of compression on your bones, and visceral fat = less HGH released within your body). No need for more xrays, try to create microfractures and stretch them out with banded sleeping (you need post-puberty methods at 19). Best of luck!
Does thumb pulling help straighten teeth?
How much strength should we use when thumbpulling?, whenever i use all my strength thumbpulling i get tired very quickly
Same here. I use all my strength (plus curling downwards with my neck to add pressure), and I do 15 seconds at a time. Training grip strength with grippers is a good idea
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I've got one for skin. It's not very good bc it was one of my first vids, but I can do an updated one in the future.
Where do you think is the most ideal point to pull the teeth apart? I’ve been doing it between the last or 2nd to last molar, but I feel like it would make more sense to do it more central given that’s where there is the suture split(at least for me)
I pull on the bone above the further molar I can reach. And I pull on the bone above my central incisors.
I have been thumbpulling sideways and I want to thumbpull forward but I am afraid of creating an overbite
its not worth it
Will it work for me as a 25 years old
So 9min per sesh and 9x a day, so total 81 mins!?
Bro please upload the tutorial on thumb pulling. Because, it can cause serious complications if there is even a slight mistake.
I can definitely make one! Might take a month since I have other vids lined up. Btw I agree that it's easy to do it wrong, but pulling symmetrically on the bone (not teeth) is a good starting point. Thx for the suggestion
@@cyzz_life okay
Great info !
Thanks!
I have not measured my inter molar width of my palate but i feel like i cant mew, even if i mew it doesnt sit properly and my teeth touches the tongue, i am 14 and a month right now, should i just do myofcuntional excersises and then do mewing ? Becausei cant mew and also i have slight micorgnathia, and overbite, i have really good features except my recessed lower jaw, i cant ait till 25 to get any implants, does mewing work for slef diagnosed micrognathia?
you might have a tongue tie get it analysed and do myo
@@Abrollt I have a tongue tie, a juicy one.
@@Abrollt Yes what myo excersiesdo yoru recommend,, i mean i was doing myofucntional based ona video
@@Abhinav-rw1mm contact a myofunctional therapist
Hey ryzz does thumbpulling cause asymmetrical face
No, unless you pull with different forces on each side. It'd be a good idea to monitor this, and to train your grip strength up to be approximately the same in both hands.
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Thanks brah
Should you pull completely to the side or slightly forward too?
I pull directly outward (to the sides), then directly forward (behind the central incisors). A few sets back and forth will help my palate expand in all directions.
can you do one side at a time? my palate is so small that it's uncomfortable to do both at once lmao
Definitely. Might want to train up your neck and your grip so you'll be able to "pull" away while using one thumb.
Could you explain thumbpulling for forward growth of the face more specifically?
Sure! I assume you know the reasoning for why it works (maxilla forwards and up). So here's how:
Put one or both thumbs behind your central incisors, thumbs pointing toward the center of the roof of your mouth. Pull as hard as possible on the bone (not the teeth, this causes flaring). Try to tuck your chin as you pull, to add even more force on the palate, making sure the overall force will be "upward and out" relative to upright head posture. Hold for 10-15 sec at first, then increase this time as you progress. Ideally 2x 3 min/day to begin with.
Thank you 🙏
yessir, np
I am 17 year old after 3 years of braces my whole face became small and it had a big impact on my lower jaw .is there a technique to expand my lower jaw
The lower jaw will expand as the upper jaw expands with thumb pulling. Or you can chew mastic gum to grow your masseters wider
For forward expansión ideally u wanna push up and forward not touching ur teeth, not pull behind ur teeth
Yessir, in the vid I said to only ever pull on the bone, never on the teeth. It causes flaring
@@cyzz_life anyways thanks for sharing your knowledge
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The back of the upper palate is wide but it gets narrow until it reach the first molars and the front of the palate is wider , the problem is the back of the palate and the front is wide but the middle of the palate is narrow , should I thumb pull there or what and should I only pull or pull and push upwards ?
That's an interesting issue. Ideally your back palate is wide and your front is slightly narrower (following the shape of your tongue). Focus on the back more, but still pull forward and up (you want expansion in all directions)
Thanks for replying but cyzz my very back of my palate is 42mm wide which is ideal but it get narrow until it reaches the first molars , my palate is shaped like a V , my back of my tongue fits and the front of my tongue fits but in the middle it doesn't fit
Ncr is also helpful in thumbpulling
Neuro crainal restructuring, right? Pretty sure you need an appliance with a nasal pump to make it happen, which some ppl may not have access to. Good mention tho!
@@cyzz_life bruv both are cheap as f. U only need pump and cut a finger from gloves 🧤 use it.
@@Actionreplay-f6g Gotcha. And you need a device to get it quite far up your nasal cavity, plus some sanitization agent (alcohol), I assume?
@@cyzz_life i suggest you to watch 'psl looksmaxxing' RUclips channel full jaw guide video.
Fs, will check it out. Always open to new ideas
Does thumb pulling gives smaller nose and improve hollow eye . Cause i already have high zygomatic bone I don t want more high ?
facial forward growth caused by thumb pulling is bound to affect your face from results I've seen. I don't think it will MAKE your nose smaller but it might give the illusion of a smaller nose. You can look at peoples' results from thumb pulling on the internet and observe the changes in their skull structure as well as their nose if you want to make sure.
It might make your nose bigger
Can thumb pulling 10 minutes a day with full force also work? Not everyone has the time to thumb pull for 70+ minutes a day. You know?
Yes, those changes just come slower. Technically, any thumb pulling you do will help accelerate your mewing progress; the rate at which change occurs just depends on the time spent pulling. I've made it a habit to thumb pull in the morning and at night, as well as right after washing my hands. I don't do all 81 minutes of the full routine, but it's still enough to see changes.
@@cyzz_life Much appreciated 👍 thanks dude
Try doing at least 15 minutes of standard thumb pulling, only exert force when inhaling and release when exhaling, breathe slowly
If i have crooked teeth , if i mew and thumb pull, will my teeth fix themselves to correct position?
Unlikely. Maybe you'll achieve some correction because a wider palate will promote less overcrowding. But it sounds like you'd want a professional orthodontic job.
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One of the few videos that actually explained the concept of thumb pullingIt would be great if you could make a video of actually thumb pulling. I'm still not clear as to where exactly to place my thumbs.
For sure! Your thumbs should always point towards the center of the roof of your mouth, the pads should go directly on the bone right above the teeth (molars, central incisors), provided you have the room.
That's the best I can explain it in words, I suppose a vid would be better. I'll see what I can do.
@@cyzz_life Thanks a lot brah!! Appreciate it 🤗
you got it my dude
@@cyzz_life Hey bro, just one more question....I thumb pull sideways, upwards and in forward direction for 18 hours every day...doing 90 sec of each variation every hour. I'm 21 years old and i genetically have a sharp and protruding jawline...but i just desire to make my eyes a bit more hunter-like and also push my maxilla a bit forward, although ig it's already placed where it should be...but there's nothing wrong in giving it a try, right!? . It's been 4 days doing this routine. How much time will it take for me to notice some change considering my daily routine?
@@Nostra189 Sorry, missed this comment bc I get a lot on this channel. I assume you mean 18 min every day? 18 hrs seems impossible haha. Since you're 21, your sutures have most likely fused (like mine have), so growth will come slowly. Thumb pulling is something that should be part of your lifestyle, and one day in the future (after months, maybe years), you'll notice subtle changes. This may not be what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
I can afford the palate expander but can i avoid the gap some
how
This question is best answered by an orthodontist. My assumption is that the slower the expansion, the smaller the gap. You can also get braces afterward to bring those two teeth back together, without reducing your palate.
I will love the gap, it is a luxury
can you link some literature and papers that back face pulling as a legitimate alternative that can produce results?
I don't believe so. You just have to try it for yourself, or find anecdotes of other's success stories. It does work, but nobody has done a study on it
@@cyzz_life you wouldnt say that most of the potential success just came from aging and regular bone growth?
@@taradikoff123 Not at all. People with narrow palates rarely grow to have large palates. Their jaws will stay small even as adults
Can thumb pulling fix recessed maxilla?
Yup, that's the main idea of thumb pulling. Just keep in mind that results come slowly
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forward expa even for overbite case should do it?
That's actually a good question. I don't know, I'm sorry. My best guess is that thumb pulling won't work, because we're mainly targeting the maxilla here, and it won't bring that lower jaw forward.
Can this also make ur face worse or is it always gonna be better? Because i already have good eyes and jaw
It will enhance mewing, and if done correctly, should never ruin your facial aesthetics. Obviously, I cannot make guarantees, but if you've heard stories of "mewing ruining someone's life" I'd say it's fairly unlikely that they had correct form or used even pressure on both sides.
@@cyzz_life if I'm not wrong overly sharp jaw and eyes can ruin the aesthetics especially the facial harmony
@@Encai. I agree. But it's hard to get there naturally-- most botched jobs are surgical. Also, keep in mind that you have full control over when / how hard you thumb pull.
Im 26 now and was always moith breathing because of allergies, will this permanent if i dot it long enough? Or must i do it forever?
Changes won't be permanent if you revert back to bad habits. You'r face will return back to its original state. Ideally, you incorporate this into your lifestyle and do it indefinitely.
@@cyzz_lifeyea i mew now forever i think, but if people had an expander and the palate got widened, it usually stays there or not? So why thumb pulling should not be permanent?
@@Chef_cookk Because the bad habits that put your maxilla and palate into this state will return once you stop thumb pulling. If you ditch those bad habits and mew subconsciously, then ther shouldn't be any problems with the narrow palate returning.
@@cyzz_life mmh i understand what u wanna say, but then the people with expander would also go back to narrow, but the usually dont.
@@Chef_cookk I disagree. With braces, many adults still have to wear a retainer otherwise their crooked teeth begin to shift back
if i do get a tooth gap doing this, then is that temporary?
If you do thumb pulling, the chance of a tooth gap is very low, since changes come very gradually (0.1 mm a day max). If this worries you, just remember that you can control when and how long you thumb pull for, so you should never end up with the gap. You have full control
@@cyzz_life thanks
need guide on getting a longer ramus bhai mirin
Ramus is pretty hard to change, I think mewing, chewing and thumb pulling are your best bets, outside of losing body fat. I can try to do some research, and if it's interesting enough, I'll make a vid
Hey rizz how much seconds should I pull and rest
Assuming you're just starting out, 10-15 sec per pull for a total of 3 minutes in a session. Then do it 2x a day. Ideally you get stronger and can pull for longer in the future.
Remember to only pull on bone, and pull evenly. Results come slow, but they will come.
@@cyzz_life but cyzz I have 3 molars in the left side and two in the right side , is it okay to do thumb pulling or should I use a ruler to balance things out
That's interesting. I would just pull evenly on both sides. I don't think you should perform any corrective pulling as a prevention measure.
Hey i have done hard thumbpulling from past 1 week, and my face got asymmetric and my tooth got crooked, please give solution bro
To fix the asymmetry, pull on one side only. I don't know how your tooth shifted within 1 week, but I'd need to know more in order to assess your situation
@@cyzz_life actually my palate was too narrow , and my face was already asymmetric on right side of my face but idk from past 1week i started hard mewing that like uneven mewing and hard thumbpulling too (twice a day 8-10min) but after 1 week , my face is looking more asymmetrical and while smiling my tooth is looking more crooked also idk what happened. And my jaw structure also a bit changed (i guess by seeing myself in the mirror) and it is noticeable. I need a solution, please help it just ruined my face
Actually it's like , my left jaw is much sharper and right jaw is like less sharp and round. I hope you understand
@@kiranmandal4591 Chew more gum on the right side, and trust the process. I don't believe a week can make such drastic changes, so it's most likely just your perception (you notice it more now that you're focusing on it every day).
But if anything starts hurting or feels off, stop and consult a dentist / orthodontist.
@@cyzz_life yes bro , idk man what happened but i am trying to fix the asymmetric by chewing gum and some facial jaw exercise. Maybe that will work
Great chanel
ty m8
are you on org ?
Yep, under cyzzle. Haven't had a look around yet, any good threads to check?
It's good but i already have good jawline
Nice, brother. Just know that the jawline isn’t everything. Facial harmony extends to the nose, the orbitals, and the projection of the face overall.
How much force should I use
Full force, we want to see changes. Try to use hand grippers to get your grip strength up if you think you're not applying enough force
u are handsome
Thanks brah! We workin on it
You didn't explain how to do it
Sounds like you didn't watch the vid.
@@cyzz_life i did i meant a visual demo do i pull as hard as i can or just a lil?
6:40 can u say something more about it?
Muscles always "win" over bone. It's the same reason why mewing works. Bone has plasticity to it (it can be molded with enough time and enough force/pressure). If your masseters (and other fascia) are tight, then those muscles will dictate how the bone grows. Or, how the bone is reformed.
@@cyzz_life so what to do/avoid for preventing facial downswinging?
@@govin.he literally says in the video what to do
Make video on Eye area
Sure will
Zygomatic pulling
Can this cause you a Stephen Hawking face somehow ?
Pretty much impossible. SH's face sunk down and inwards due to gravity, and his facial muscle's inability to support the skull is what distorted his face so badly (a result caused by his face muscles atrophying due to his genetic disease).
@@cyzz_life Thx for reply bro , love you
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I tried this. Do not recommend. My face fell off 😢
What an unpleasant side effect. I'll make a mental note
What happened?
no bro I have been thumbpulling for 1 month I prayed for god to save my face from any damaged from thumpulling and my sleep has been improved and my cardio and a bit of tongue space
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lmao