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I agree with you. Hammer SIG pistols are great. There are better plastic striker pistols out there, though. I think it is a shame that it is getting more and more difficult to find compact handguns in anything besides 9 mm. I'm glad S&W has started releasing new pistols in 40 S&W again (especially since the cartridge is named after them). I wish SIG would do at least a limited run of new production P226 and P229 in 357 SIG each year. I'm also a fan of 30 Super Carry and I would like to see more pistols chambered in that round. One thing COVID proved is that variety is good when it comes to pistol chamberings.
Ah, the golden age of SIG Saur, the P series. My first carry gun was a P228, great gun, still have it. Fell in love with the P220 and have many of them in 45acp and 10mm. Like so many guns that require precision machining, Sig could not justify the manufacturing costs over the sales returns. So they bowed to the Teflon gods and started squeezing guns out of a tooth paste tubes. The P229 in 357 SIG is one hell of a weapon!
The 229 is my favorite pistol. I have the 357Sig, 40S&W, and bought a 9mm conversion barrel. The 357Sig hits hard, and the the original slide. They used it till 2005. You serial number prefix gives you production date. The first year was 92 the serial starts AB, then 93 is AC and so on.
I have a P229R originally in .40 S&W, installed a new Sig .357 Sig barrel. Found a P229C SAS with both the .40 S&W barrel and the .357 Sig barrel, one of my daily carry guns. Found a P224 SAS in .40 S&W with the .357 Sig barrel at the Gun Show this past weekend. I have the Signess, I will say the P365 was my gateway Sig. I have a P226R in .40 S&W as my woods gun, P320 DH3 for Steel Competition, P322 for new shooters, my original P365 with a pocket holster for when I can’t IWB carry. Finally a new P365 AXG with Romeo X to start getting use to carrying with a red dot.
I’ve tinkered with 357 sig. I was extremely impressed because it was a laser beam. Very flat traveling round I’ve seen. I know people who run it in 357 sig in mp shields that was chambered in 40. Which I’ve been pondering the notion of changing to lol. I do know for LE 357 sig had very good street cred kinda like the 40. I just think a lot of so called LE have soft hands lol and can’t handle a little snap. But anywho. By far classic sig is the best. I’ve never liked any 320 or 365. I’ve seen tooooooooo many real life horror stories from those pistols. Now the P250 and the P2022 are truly sig polymer gems for the company. Idk if the make the 2022 anymore but it was a poor man’s 229. Check them out if you can.
My first 357sig handgun was a Sig SP2340, I bought it in 1999 and it still run like a champ. I also have a SP2022 in 357sig, an H&K VP40 with a 357sig barrel, my S&W M&P Performance Center 40L I have 357sig and 9mm barrels for it and my Sig P229 in 357sig without rails and german frame awesome gun but I haven't found a holster for it yet. I really enjoy 357sig.
I live about 1 and a half hours from sig in Epping NH. That is thier flag ship location. Most all guns I believe are made in Exeter. Enjoyed your video.
Glock has done more to keep 357 Sig alive than Sig themselves has ever done. The only 357 Sig I have is a SW357V Sigma. The cartridge is far better than the gun 🤣
P229, Sig’s best pistol. .357 Sig, an answer to a question nobody asked. 😂 OK, they were trying to replicate .357 Magnum results in a semi-auto for a handful of law enforcement agencies. Turns out not many really wanted it and ammo’s price was insane.
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on. Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter. It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage. It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots. 357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths. Underwood has a 357 Sig 65gr Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear. One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion. I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round. Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round. 9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times. I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down. In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one. Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside. Keep in mind that mag dumping 9mm into a target may not be justifiable. Back in the old days when the revolver was supreme, you were trained to take two shots and then assess the effectiveness. Essentially those first two shots may be justifiable, but the next 15 shots may not be. Again with that in mind, a more powerful caliber will require less shots to stop a threat, while decreasing the chances of any wrongdoing. There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you? 10mm vs 357 Sig, both properly loaded out of a compact barrel are equal in power. Out of the same full size length barrel lightly loaded (weak) 357 Sig is more powerful than lightly loaded (weak) 10mm. Properly loaded 10mm out of a full size is more powerful than properly loaded 357 Sig but at that point 10mm is typically more expensive than 357 Sig. But for urban carry 357 Sig is highly enjoyable to carry. I love 10mm, especially in 155gr and under but the firearms need to be larger to outshine 357 Sig. For woods with larger predators I would absolutely chose 10mm over 357 Sig but truthfully if I was going into said woods, would 10mm be enough? I would have to step in up to 44 Mag. 10mm is in a position that has little use for me even with it being the awesome round that it is. Unless I was carrying a 4.5-5” full size in urban areas but that would be overkill with what 357 Sig achieves.
I have a Sig Sauer P229 SAS Gen 2, with conversion kits 9mm/.40 S&W/.357sig. I like the .357sig the best. See my review on my RUclips page, "Lone Star Lawman."
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I agree with you. Hammer SIG pistols are great. There are better plastic striker pistols out there, though.
I think it is a shame that it is getting more and more difficult to find compact handguns in anything besides 9 mm. I'm glad S&W has started releasing new pistols in 40 S&W again (especially since the cartridge is named after them). I wish SIG would do at least a limited run of new production P226 and P229 in 357 SIG each year. I'm also a fan of 30 Super Carry and I would like to see more pistols chambered in that round. One thing COVID proved is that variety is good when it comes to pistol chamberings.
I agree with you 💯. I love 30 Super Carry. I have some more 30 Super Carry content coming. Thanks for watching man.
Ah, the golden age of SIG Saur, the P series. My first carry gun was a P228, great gun, still have it. Fell in love with the P220 and have many of them in 45acp and 10mm. Like so many guns that require precision machining, Sig could not justify the manufacturing costs over the sales returns. So they bowed to the Teflon gods and started squeezing guns out of a tooth paste tubes. The P229 in 357 SIG is one hell of a weapon!
Amen 🙏🏻
The 229 is my favorite pistol. I have the 357Sig, 40S&W, and bought a 9mm conversion barrel. The 357Sig hits hard, and the the original slide. They used it till 2005. You serial number prefix gives you production date. The first year was 92 the serial starts AB, then 93 is AC and so on.
Great pistol, even better caliber.
I have a P229R originally in .40 S&W, installed a new Sig .357 Sig barrel. Found a P229C SAS with both the .40 S&W barrel and the .357 Sig barrel, one of my daily carry guns. Found a P224 SAS in .40 S&W with the .357 Sig barrel at the Gun Show this past weekend. I have the Signess, I will say the P365 was my gateway Sig. I have a P226R in .40 S&W as my woods gun, P320 DH3 for Steel Competition, P322 for new shooters, my original P365 with a pocket holster for when I can’t IWB carry. Finally a new P365 AXG with Romeo X to start getting use to carrying with a red dot.
I’ve tinkered with 357 sig. I was extremely impressed because it was a laser beam. Very flat traveling round I’ve seen. I know people who run it in 357 sig in mp shields that was chambered in 40. Which I’ve been pondering the notion of changing to lol. I do know for LE 357 sig had very good street cred kinda like the 40. I just think a lot of so called LE have soft hands lol and can’t handle a little snap. But anywho. By far classic sig is the best. I’ve never liked any 320 or 365. I’ve seen tooooooooo many real life horror stories from those pistols. Now the P250 and the P2022 are truly sig polymer gems for the company. Idk if the make the 2022 anymore but it was a poor man’s 229. Check them out if you can.
I have a sig 2340 which shoots the 40 cal and with my 357 sig barrel I shoot the 357 sig.
Man, that's a mighty fine pistol (& caliber)! I carried one in .40 for the longest time, then they made us trade them in for plastic... I miss it.
Yes, that is considered their “legacy” slide. When you purchase upper kits, you can still request a legacy slide for 40+357.
My first 357sig handgun was a Sig SP2340, I bought it in 1999 and it still run like a champ. I also have a SP2022 in 357sig, an H&K VP40 with a 357sig barrel, my S&W M&P Performance Center 40L I have 357sig and 9mm barrels for it and my Sig P229 in 357sig without rails and german frame awesome gun but I haven't found a holster for it yet.
I really enjoy 357sig.
I have an all stainless steel P226 in 357 sig. easily my favorite gun.
I have an FNS40 converted to 357Sig with just a barrel swap. Fantastic lethal round.
Thanks for the honesty concerning Sig. We need more people to come forward calling them out. They won't improve otherwise.
B code and Exeter. I think made around 2014 or 15.
That’s great info. Thanks 🤠
Excellent review. I hope you can do one on the SIG P250 someday. Still seems to have its fans.
P250 has the best DAO trigger on the market IMHO
I have 2 slides for my P229, 9 & .357 SIG. It is a tank of a pistola, love it. 👍🏻
Sig is still in New Hampshire. My Brother’s friend is an accountant there. Anyways, metal sigs= good, plastic sigs= bad.
I wouldn't trade my 229 for a new 320 or 365 and my 229 is 30yr old
I wouldn't trade my 229 for a new 320 or 365 and my 229 is 30yr old
I wouldn't trade my 229 for a new 320 or 365 and my 229 is 30yr old
Tell him they suk for fhjk up their line of pistols
Tell them to bring back the 227 while you're at it.
Yes, SIG is still in NH ... LE trade is the way to go. Stay away from short extractor models.
I used to really like the sig p230. Handsome little guy too
Just looking at the muzzle flip, you can't tell if it's a 9mm or a 357. I'll take the extra energy of 357 any day.
Me Too 🤠
I live about 1 and a half hours from sig in Epping NH. That is thier flag ship location. Most all guns I believe are made in Exeter. Enjoyed your video.
Thanks man 🤠
Man, i have been on the hunt for one of these to match my p226.
I have a 229 in .357 Sig with the DAK trigger and I prefer it over the DA/SA.
Glock has done more to keep 357 Sig alive than Sig themselves has ever done.
The only 357 Sig I have is a SW357V Sigma. The cartridge is far better than the gun 🤣
It's the only reason to buy a Glock
@@FoulPetAmen!
I got an m11a1. Great pistol
I want one of those man.
@@wyominggunproject i recommend atleast tryin one. Smooth shooter
Sig makes money from guns they can sell . Im sure the 226 is great gun but people want small conceal able , affordable guns
I agree with you 100%. 🤠
I love mine
Damn I Paid $850 For My P229 Chambered In 40/357Sig. Not Readily Available In California Anymore. So I Didn't Mind Paying Off Roster Price.
P229, Sig’s best pistol. .357 Sig, an answer to a question nobody asked. 😂
OK, they were trying to replicate .357 Magnum results in a semi-auto for a handful of law enforcement agencies. Turns out not many really wanted it and ammo’s price was insane.
Pretty sure plenty of people asked how to get 357 mag power in a convenient carry auto loader.
.45 a pop for target ATM
Is 9mm equal to or superior to 357 Sig? Let’s think about that for ourselves for just a moment, shall we? I get it that some people pick a side and feel the need to defend their choice, but not to the extent of regurgitating pure nonsense that they themselves were misinformed on.
Some ammo manufacturers actually have loads that even surpasses the ballistics of traditional 357 magnum performance. Underwood's 357 SIG Gold Dot for example. Also because it’s a bottleneck cartridge it has the added benefit of feeding more reliably than other pistol rounds. It’s flat shooting and will punch through auto glass like it was butter.
It’s literally a 9mm projectile “except” because it’s 225-300 fps faster it penetrates most barriers as well as 10mm yet doesn’t over penetrate flesh, which is welcomed to aid in avoiding collateral damage.
It has a flatter trajectory that in turn makes it more accurate and potent at distance. Though the penetration is no greater than 9mm in flesh, the cavity damage is much more devastating making it more likely to stop a threat with less shots.
357 Sig Compact and Subcompact firearms actually have more energy than an equivalent sized barrel length 10mm. Even out of as much as a 4” barrel, Underwood 125gr 357 Sig has the energy that’s equal to or greater than most 10mm loads with the exception of a few specialty loads. Basically 10mm energy only surpasses 357 Sig out of longer full size barrel lengths.
Underwood has a 357 Sig 65gr Xtreme Penetrator round that exceeds 2250+ fps out of just a 6” barrel. I don’t know of any other semiautomatic pistol caliber that has rounds capable of such velocities from a handgun. It goes straight through a 3A panel even. At those velocities normally temporary cavities tear.
One of the most attractive benefits of owning a 357 Sig is the ability to convert the firearm to 40 S&W & 9mm with nothing more than a simple barrel swap. You also normally can do a 357 Sig or 9mm conversion if you own a 40 S&W firearm as well. That means you can train on whatever platform you’re most comfortable with and whatever ammo is the most affordable, and no it isn’t always 9mm. That means that you are less hindered by ammo shortages… and when you’re done training simply swap out the barrel and ammo back to 357SIG and you’re all set. Sadly on a native 9mm firearm you don’t have any option to do a conversion.
I never understood what’s not to like about 357 SIG… well other than ammunition availability and cost being the only negatives I guess, but it is the better round.
Keep in mind that when you compare 9mm +P or +P+ to try to achieve 357 Sig performance, 357 Sig is actually cheaper than 9mm. When I searched +P+ to get as close to 357 Sig performance as possible, it was more expensive than a standard 357 Sig JHP round.
9mm +P+ is still only 1300 fps in 124 grain. That’s 50 fps slower than the lowest end 125 grain Sig round at 1350 fps and we’re comparing +P+ 9mm ammo here. Yet the bare minimum 357 Sig performance isn’t even achievable and this is usually attempted in a platform that isn’t even recommended for +P+ or even +P at times.
I say it’s best to swap to a 9mm conversion barrel when training and back to 357 Sig right before you’re all done to finish up with 357 to cut that expense down.
In most cases the recoil of any superior round can be overcome with training. I actually have little to no recoil on one of my setups. It’s compensated. You’ll find that comps actually provide greater compensation with 357 Sig compared to 9mm because of the higher pressures. I do understand that some people are recoil sensitive and are more comfortable with 9mm or other lower recoiling rounds. I understand some just prefer the thought of higher capacity. I totally understand your decisions. But let’s not bash any superior round because you prematurely decided on a specific one.
Naturally shot placement, especially with pistol calibers is key… but under pressure understandably, your shot placement could be lacking. With that in mind the welcomed advantages of 357 Sig could easily make the difference between life and death, shot placement aside.
Keep in mind that mag dumping 9mm into a target may not be justifiable. Back in the old days when the revolver was supreme, you were trained to take two shots and then assess the effectiveness. Essentially those first two shots may be justifiable, but the next 15 shots may not be. Again with that in mind, a more powerful caliber will require less shots to stop a threat, while decreasing the chances of any wrongdoing.
There’s nothing wrong with 9mm it’s awesome, but let’s be clear… it isn’t equal to 357 Sig and the few extra rounds it’s capable of holding in a magazine over 357 Sig definitely doesn’t make it the superior choice. In time I expect 357 Sig to make the comeback that 10mm has made in recent years… For myself these 357 Sig advantages make 9mm less desirable. How about for you?
10mm vs 357 Sig, both properly loaded out of a compact barrel are equal in power. Out of the same full size length barrel lightly loaded (weak) 357 Sig is more powerful than lightly loaded (weak) 10mm. Properly loaded 10mm out of a full size is more powerful than properly loaded 357 Sig but at that point 10mm is typically more expensive than 357 Sig. But for urban carry 357 Sig is highly enjoyable to carry. I love 10mm, especially in 155gr and under but the firearms need to be larger to outshine 357 Sig. For woods with larger predators I would absolutely chose 10mm over 357 Sig but truthfully if I was going into said woods, would 10mm be enough? I would have to step in up to 44 Mag. 10mm is in a position that has little use for me even with it being the awesome round that it is. Unless I was carrying a 4.5-5” full size in urban areas but that would be overkill with what 357 Sig achieves.
I have a Sig Sauer P229 SAS Gen 2, with conversion kits 9mm/.40 S&W/.357sig. I like the .357sig the best. See my review on my RUclips page, "Lone Star Lawman."
I’ll check it out man. 🤠
@wyominggunproject Great! Thanks.
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