I.T. Guy here. Your power issue isn't because your pulling too much power for your building breaker.... if that was the case the breaker would trip. that's it's purpose. Like others have said, your issue is most likely because you are overloading your UPS units. One other option is, the UPS plugged into the 6 that are having an issue has a weak battery or is faulty. Everything you describe points to the UPS as the issue. Love the videos. Keep em coming.
i concur. You'd have to scale up in a massive way and pray the power is only out for less than an hour. Really, UPS are only designed to let you safely power down your hardware in the event of an outage. I've worked with server UPS that are the size of a small car, and can only run 2 hosts and a NAS for about 3 hours.
@@Dancyn3Dprints perhaps also consider that in the event of a power outage pause all the printers and set their heaters to OFF. the print will stop, but you could easily let those machines idle stationary until the mains are restored.
With the new Bambu studio update you can probably fit a lot more into the plate by not keeping them in the organize circles. Also when the power goes out like that, maybe cancel/sacrifice a few of the early prints to try and squeeze more time to finish ones that are closer to completion
Use the blue sponges too! The green ones are abrasives that scratch surfaces like your build plates. The blue ones are also abrasive but do NOT scratch. We have a cleaning company too and learned that the hard way.
I really don't like to give out my secrets. But if you change every beginning layer to 0.12 mm it will reduce 75% print failure. The thin first layer basically melts to the plate
I had hassles here in my home with electrical issues. Burning wire smell once etc. got an electrician in to check the wires, they used a gadget in a bum bag to test all the wires in the walls especially for old wires with rubber insulation of which there was none. I got the very old fuze wire circuit box updated to the new circuit breaker type ones, cant recall their correct tech term. Fyi. Have you had an electrician/electrical engineer work out your max number of printers etc that will work under the buildings circuits etc? Fyi standard fire risk warnings here are about not using extension cords to run equipment rather than wired in circuits. No coiling of cables etc.? Does the building block you are in have max power limits etc? For all to share? Interesting video thanks Laurie NZ 😊
Next time you have a power out, make a judgement call on each UPS, and select the printer that's nearly done, and turn all the rest on that UPS off, you may be able to save 1 print. per UPS. Just a thought from an OLD Sparkie.
Too many units on one feed - cyber power makes one with max capacity warning signal - 6 X1C will overload a normal 20 amp outlet. Loss all the extension cords that is crazy safety hazard and against code in most states if not all. Ohio inspector would shut you down until corrected - wiring in the wall is much thicker than the extension cord your running, creates a fire hazard. Have an electrician give you a quote to correct it - Thanks for taking us along for the journey and happy making PS was in the same boat 5 years ago with our laser company - the more money we made the more visits we got from the state / city 😅
Sounds like the earlier issue was a brown out. Hopefully the work they just did fixes the issue. But it also looks like you might have the UPS systems overloaded. The UPS's display can tell you how much power is being drawn, and expected run time, which is always optimistic. But take the load numbers and do some math to determine your total load per circuit and the building. As another poster mentioned, the extension cords are doing you no favors, and are parasitic loads. They are almost certainly a fire code violation. I recently had a client get a warning from the fire Marshall because a UPS for a router was plugged into a 10 ft 12gauge cord. We had 30 days to install a new dedicated outlet, or risk being shut down.
Have you noticed more adhesion issues around the same time Bambu introduced the Supertack plate? I swear they did something to the slicer software to cause more failed prints so more people will buy their new plate...
I would suggest to put an ecoflow at each braker box Maybe you can reach out to them and have them sponsor you with you documenting the install on the vlog
I had an issue with my UPS from my paper printer drawing too much initial power for my UPS to handle. I plugged it directly into the wall and it worked. It is possible your UPS is too weak to handle the initial power draw and the printers just shut down to protect itself. Either get a higher VA UPS or get a lifepo4 battery like an Ecoflow Delta 2/3. Also, your UPS battery could be dying so replacing the battery could fix it too.
maybe try the blue cryogrip bed plates. The standard grey plates you have have a GSI of 9, whereas the frostbite is GSI 10. Not sure how much that matters though but worth to try. I have two of the frostbites and work very well.
Just thinking out loud, wouldn’t it be better to pause everything when the power went out, that way the printers would potentially sit there idle for longer till the main power came back on?
With your electrical issue i feel like you have too much hooked up to one ups. I'd honestly have max 3-4 units on one of those and about 6 units total per 20a breaker. Will ease your peak draw and prevent brown outs like you're getting.
You need a better electrical monitor since you could be browning out the power or other unclean power issues due to high momentary draw. Get a C-clamp with a way to do max instantaneous readings.Breakers don't trip when you go over 20 amps for short periods of time, still you should NOT attempt since that is dangerous if do this repeatedly.
Consider a Generac generator. I have one for my whole house since we lose power so often but they are for businesses too and you can certainly benefit from this! It is expensive but will kick on within 1 minute of lost power...that will give your printers more than enough time to survive the blip on the battery back-up units and not cause an entire warehouse full of lost prints. The generator for my house was 10k installed. Best money I ever spent, especially now running 3D Printers! Even once power is restored, sometimes you suffer layer shifts on resuming the print. Best way to prevent any of that is for your machines to never lose power. The UPS will keep them all going until the generator kicks in, and you're back in business without any losses. Note: The Generac runs off natural gas.
@@Dancyn3Dprints Doesn't matter, I'm talking a large outdoor generator that will power your entire building, printers and all. You would only lose power for less than a minute while the generator kicks into gear, allowing your UPS units to keep the printers going for enough time for the generator to switch on. After that, printers run off the generator until power is restored, and the generator turns off. Your whole building can be powered as long as you have a natural gas connection which the generator runs off of.
I think I would have run out to the guys and ask them for an ETA and explained that I had 150 printers running. Likely would not really matter. Also, as your backup power supplies die, if you think it's affordable, replace them with 1500's if that's not what they are. I'm starting to build a farm and I have a 19kwh solar system with 3 - 5kwh batteries. But I still have a 1500 UPS for each printer which should give them an hour or two before they croak.
What I'm sometimes wondeirng is how the UPS compare to the new mobile power stations with lithium cells many use for camping, solar power storage and such - like the Bluetti, EcoFlow and such. Dont they have a much higher capacity / max wattage for their price and could also been placed in line to be constantly charged and kicking in on the event of a power issue? I think some of the big brands advertise with such a feature
That's very situational, for me as I print only with pla I do not need an eclosure.. and I print multicolor items. So the a1 combo just makes economical sense from a cost perspective as well as space
@@Dancyn3Dprints Interesting how you connected few printers to it? with 1500va it have maximum 900W power support. Or you live in 120 Volt country? In 220 Volt country even A1 (single printer) take over 1300-1500 W power at start wen it heat bad, and even ONE printer connected to my 1500W UPS does not work, because PSU beeps that power required is too much that it can handle.. I think P1S require even more power than A1.
Could the electrical issue be happening because you're starting multiple prints simultaneously on a single breaker? I experienced a similar problem where three printers heating up at the same time caused a wattage spike, which ended up tripping the breaker.
You’re literally scraping off the surface with the green abrasive side of the sponge! You wouldn’t clean your car with the abrasive green part of the sponge !!
@@Dancyn3Dprints yeah but it will finish the part of the gcode it's on and then park the nozzle at the back, so the nozzle wont sit and melt the print when the power goes out, and it will usually resume successfully when you get power back.
I.T. Guy here. Your power issue isn't because your pulling too much power for your building breaker.... if that was the case the breaker would trip. that's it's purpose. Like others have said, your issue is most likely because you are overloading your UPS units. One other option is, the UPS plugged into the 6 that are having an issue has a weak battery or is faulty. Everything you describe points to the UPS as the issue. Love the videos. Keep em coming.
i concur. You'd have to scale up in a massive way and pray the power is only out for less than an hour. Really, UPS are only designed to let you safely power down your hardware in the event of an outage. I've worked with server UPS that are the size of a small car, and can only run 2 hosts and a NAS for about 3 hours.
thanks for the input. I definitely should get more UPS units. I have 9 printers plugged into 1 lol
@@Dancyn3Dprints perhaps also consider that in the event of a power outage pause all the printers and set their heaters to OFF. the print will stop, but you could easily let those machines idle stationary until the mains are restored.
I’m amazed at your calmness. I would have blown a gasket when the power was shutoff.
@@mwinner101 lol.nothing you can do really
@@Dancyn3DprintsTrue and I probably need to relax.
With the new Bambu studio update you can probably fit a lot more into the plate by not keeping them in the organize circles.
Also when the power goes out like that, maybe cancel/sacrifice a few of the early prints to try and squeeze more time to finish ones that are closer to completion
luckily the power came back on and was able to salvage all of the prints
@Dancyn3Dprints Nick of time! Glad to hear
Use the blue sponges too! The green ones are abrasives that scratch surfaces like your build plates. The blue ones are also abrasive but do NOT scratch. We have a cleaning company too and learned that the hard way.
I really don't like to give out my secrets. But if you change every beginning layer to 0.12 mm it will reduce 75% print failure. The thin first layer basically melts to the plate
@@CKchrome interesting
@@Dancyn3Dprints that goes especially for TPU or ASA
@@CKchromesecret acquired 🤫
I had hassles here in my home with electrical issues. Burning wire smell once etc. got an electrician in to check the wires, they used a gadget in a bum bag to test all the wires in the walls especially for old wires with rubber insulation of which there was none. I got the very old fuze wire circuit box updated to the new circuit breaker type ones, cant recall their correct tech term. Fyi. Have you had an electrician/electrical engineer work out your max number of printers etc that will work under the buildings circuits etc? Fyi standard fire risk warnings here are about not using extension cords to run equipment rather than wired in circuits. No coiling of cables etc.? Does the building block you are in have max power limits etc? For all to share? Interesting video thanks Laurie NZ 😊
Btw have you checked with Bambu Labs ref print farm power loads etc? They may have info from other customers experiences. Laurie NZ 😊
check the temperature of the breakers in the power box if they are getting hot they can open with out tripping the breaker.
hmm ill try
Next time you have a power out, make a judgement call on each UPS, and select the printer that's nearly done, and turn all the rest on that UPS off, you may be able to save 1 print. per UPS. Just a thought from an OLD Sparkie.
Too many units on one feed - cyber power makes one with max capacity warning signal - 6 X1C will overload a normal 20 amp outlet. Loss all the extension cords that is crazy safety hazard and against code in most states if not all. Ohio inspector would shut you down until corrected - wiring in the wall is much thicker than the extension cord your running, creates a fire hazard. Have an electrician give you a quote to correct it - Thanks for taking us along for the journey and happy making PS was in the same boat 5 years ago with our laser company - the more money we made the more visits we got from the state / city 😅
Sounds like the earlier issue was a brown out. Hopefully the work they just did fixes the issue. But it also looks like you might have the UPS systems overloaded. The UPS's display can tell you how much power is being drawn, and expected run time, which is always optimistic. But take the load numbers and do some math to determine your total load per circuit and the building. As another poster mentioned, the extension cords are doing you no favors, and are parasitic loads. They are almost certainly a fire code violation. I recently had a client get a warning from the fire Marshall because a UPS for a router was plugged into a 10 ft 12gauge cord. We had 30 days to install a new dedicated outlet, or risk being shut down.
Have you noticed more adhesion issues around the same time Bambu introduced the Supertack plate? I swear they did something to the slicer software to cause more failed prints so more people will buy their new plate...
ive been using biqu's cryo grip sheets.. which are probably the same - my textured sheets always have issued with adhesion
@@Dancyn3Dprints Is the Supertack plate as smooth as the smooth plate?
Bambu offers a kit to add a drag chain to the P1P, like the P1S uses.
i printed an AMS riser
I would be checking the load of those ups. They are kinda small for the amount of amps the printers draw
I would suggest to put an ecoflow at each braker box
Maybe you can reach out to them and have them sponsor you with you documenting the install on the vlog
I had an issue with my UPS from my paper printer drawing too much initial power for my UPS to handle. I plugged it directly into the wall and it worked. It is possible your UPS is too weak to handle the initial power draw and the printers just shut down to protect itself. Either get a higher VA UPS or get a lifepo4 battery like an Ecoflow Delta 2/3. Also, your UPS battery could be dying so replacing the battery could fix it too.
Where did you find the pallet rack containers that hold rags and stuff?
Can you add a Generac power generator? Great setup you have!
Solar panels for daytime use and battery charging. Then, and auto-transfer switch to battery backup if the grid goes down.
maybe try the blue cryogrip bed plates. The standard grey plates you have have a GSI of 9, whereas the frostbite is GSI 10. Not sure how much that matters though but worth to try. I have two of the frostbites and work very well.
I have 1 frostbite.. works well for now but I gave these a little clean and they work like new
The electrical issue sounds more like a brownout
Time to google
Just thinking out loud, wouldn’t it be better to pause everything when the power went out, that way the printers would potentially sit there idle for longer till the main power came back on?
ehh.. then the beds will cool off and the prints will die
With your electrical issue i feel like you have too much hooked up to one ups. I'd honestly have max 3-4 units on one of those and about 6 units total per 20a breaker. Will ease your peak draw and prevent brown outs like you're getting.
that honestly.. is probably the issue, I have 9 hooked up to that one UPS LOL - probably need to split it
You need a better electrical monitor since you could be browning out the power or other unclean power issues due to high momentary draw. Get a C-clamp with a way to do max instantaneous readings.Breakers don't trip when you go over 20 amps for short periods of time, still you should NOT attempt since that is dangerous if do this repeatedly.
Where do you find your items to print?
online usually, patreon subscribers, websites
@@Dancyn3Dprints Thanks
Consider a Generac generator. I have one for my whole house since we lose power so often but they are for businesses too and you can certainly benefit from this! It is expensive but will kick on within 1 minute of lost power...that will give your printers more than enough time to survive the blip on the battery back-up units and not cause an entire warehouse full of lost prints. The generator for my house was 10k installed. Best money I ever spent, especially now running 3D Printers! Even once power is restored, sometimes you suffer layer shifts on resuming the print. Best way to prevent any of that is for your machines to never lose power. The UPS will keep them all going until the generator kicks in, and you're back in business without any losses. Note: The Generac runs off natural gas.
Yea but I have 150 3d printers lol...
Home made power wall!!
@@Dancyn3Dprints Doesn't matter, I'm talking a large outdoor generator that will power your entire building, printers and all. You would only lose power for less than a minute while the generator kicks into gear, allowing your UPS units to keep the printers going for enough time for the generator to switch on. After that, printers run off the generator until power is restored, and the generator turns off. Your whole building can be powered as long as you have a natural gas connection which the generator runs off of.
I think I would have run out to the guys and ask them for an ETA and explained that I had 150 printers running. Likely would not really matter. Also, as your backup power supplies die, if you think it's affordable, replace them with 1500's if that's not what they are. I'm starting to build a farm and I have a 19kwh solar system with 3 - 5kwh batteries. But I still have a 1500 UPS for each printer which should give them an hour or two before they croak.
You gotta get a lifepo4 battery for whole biz backup
Can’t you go around a pause your prints until the power comes on ?
What I'm sometimes wondeirng is how the UPS compare to the new mobile power stations with lithium cells many use for camping, solar power storage and such - like the Bluetti, EcoFlow and such. Dont they have a much higher capacity / max wattage for their price and could also been placed in line to be constantly charged and kicking in on the event of a power issue? I think some of the big brands advertise with such a feature
do you still recommend the A1 / Mini for print farms? Mines have alot of problems compared to my p1p
That's very situational, for me as I print only with pla I do not need an eclosure.. and I print multicolor items. So the a1 combo just makes economical sense from a cost perspective as well as space
You might need a generator next upgrade. Just put some gas and generator will run for hours and hours.
Hi, where do you get your egg files from please.
For extra grip, just use 3DLAC in a normal bed...
What ups you used?
cyberpower i think they are 1500 va
@@Dancyn3Dprints Interesting how you connected few printers to it? with 1500va it have maximum 900W power support. Or you live in 120 Volt country? In 220 Volt country even A1 (single printer) take over 1300-1500 W power at start wen it heat bad, and even ONE printer connected to my 1500W UPS does not work, because PSU beeps that power required is too much that it can handle.. I think P1S require even more power than A1.
Could the electrical issue be happening because you're starting multiple prints simultaneously on a single breaker? I experienced a similar problem where three printers heating up at the same time caused a wattage spike, which ended up tripping the breaker.
where do you get the keyswitches for your turtles?
He went mentioned that in his previous vlog, even provided a part by part pricing. I don’t recall the vendor, but you’ll find it there.
Been buying them from microcenter, Amazon, aliexpress and pawpular prints website.. everywhere lol
You’re literally scraping off the surface with the green abrasive side of the sponge! You wouldn’t clean your car with the abrasive green part of the sponge !!
im very gentle!
could be you overloaded the UPS. i have the same UPS and if i start more than two printers at the same time it overloads the UPS.
Too many devices plugged into the UPS systems. They are not designed for that many high powered devices at one time.
I just knew we can sell on Tik Tok from your video, which is great. But I don't know if Trump is going to ban Tik Tok though.
get some ECOFLOWs
Call the utility and tell them you need more juice.
Does that actually work?
I would have started pausing the prints, then they probably would resume successfully when you get power back
dunno why he didnt think of this. super obvious
even pausing prints, the printer draws power as it needs to heat up the bed
@@Dancyn3Dprints but at least it will home xy. It will know for certain where it last was when it turns back on
@@Dancyn3Dprints I would pause and then shut it off
@@Dancyn3Dprints yeah but it will finish the part of the gcode it's on and then park the nozzle at the back, so the nozzle wont sit and melt the print when the power goes out, and it will usually resume successfully when you get power back.
first one!