STARTING THE FAIRING PROCESS ON THIS OLD SAILBOAT!
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Laying up all this fairing compound is a bitter sweet feeling, mainly because I KNOW what's coming next lol!! #LotsOfSanding ;-)!
Overall I think it went really well, but Monday is when the rubber hits the pavement and I find out how wonky the hull actually is.
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![Re-gelcoating your hull - PART 2 - fairing and spraying- [restoration of a sunfish sailboat]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bjbAjSxvE5Q/mqdefault.jpg)
You have educated more people with FG repair than most technical schools. You will be known long after your gone. That’s a great epitaph and tribute to the best teacher on you tube.
Thomas D Harrell Now I get to learn the correct way of doing repairs.
That so true Thomas.
I live in The Neterlands and did my boat 3 years ago and learnt the most from this channel.
I had almost 20meters inside and outside.
Well said!
Andy inspired me to try a touch up on my fiberglass shower... materials on their way.
Instablaster.
As always a very informative video. At 68 years old you've inspired me to attempt my 1st restoration project. I hope I haven't bitten off more than I can chew. I purchased a 1987 20 foot Boston Whaler Outrage this summer and I think I've managed to find a boat with every conceivable fiberglass defect known to man. Wish me luck. I think I'm going to need it.
good luck! :)
i have done a few projects but Andy has inspired my current total rebuild - His videos have been invaluable. Shame we don't have TOTAL BOAT products in the UK. Boatworks today is the best channel on you tube for boaters.
Where would the fun be in a boat that didn’t have every kind of crazy repair/modification known to man?
In my opinion this is by far the best DIY boat repair channel on youtube but today I want to put my finger on one not so visible aspect: the production.
Dude, the whole stuff (music, sound, lights, even the screenplay) is awesome. Really outstanding above average.
Thank you Capitan ;-)! Appreciate that!
The formula for Total Fair has changed since this video was made. In the new version, the blue part is much thicker, more like playdough. There may be a slight green tinge on the surface but that's normal. If you add the right amount of yellow, it will mix to the same creamy smooth consistency.
Filler gelcoat- to your 1 gallon of gelcoat with wax, add 1/3rd resin and a gallon container of microspheres. Catalyze a bit more than normal and roll on or 4" chip brush. Fairing with 80-120 grit will get you 99% there.
Imagine for a minute I’m pretty ignorant - it isn’t a stretch. Can you toss out some specific product names?
Thanks!
I used to watch "this old house" on the tv with my parents when I was young... This makes me happy, very reminiscent... Now that I'm looking for my first boat (I don't want a house lol) I feel more confident watching all your videos. Thank you.
Thanks Andy - I also use Total Fair and have been very happy with my results.
Thanks for sharing
I’m building my First boat an Im starting the fairing.
This was helpful 👍
16:47 "It may steven"
Might be the best abbreviation of "still even" I've ever heard!
Thank you soooo much for your videos. I'm embarking on restoring/ refinishing a 14' K&C runabout and I have never done any boat restoration before. THANK YOU!
Trying to restore my 1965 Pearson Triton. So I am watching all your videos to learn some techniques and tips. The variety of epoxy or polyester etc choices still is a learning curve. As of now working on the interior finish of my boat and a slight reconfiguration of the interior. Thanks for posting all your videos and you provide us with very useful information.
Andy, great tip on using gelcoat with wax to cure the polyester laminating resin and fill in a little.
just wanted to say thanks.
your friendly, informative and helpful videos are brilliant.
I'm glad you chose to continue your channel.
Andy, I think you have done this sort of job a time or two over the years. Either that or you are really great at editing to make it look so easy.
Thanks for another great video.
Great video as always Andy - maybe a month too late for me :-(
I've been working about a 2' x 2' repair on my liveaboard. Replaced the rotten plywood core, glassed over the top with epoxy resin and faired with total fair. Maybe should have used polyester. As you said - the gel coat over total fair doesn't set up. Not just tacky, comes off on whatever touches it.
I cleaned up with acetone. Read up on gel coat over epoxy and watched your video on the subject. Tried it again with the same result.
Then I googled gel coat over total fair! They don't mix. Today it is warm enough to go over everything with an epoxy barrier primer per the Total Boat instructions and then gel I'll coat.
I've got a lot more little gel coat spots to repair (it's a 52 footer) and I'll be using a polyester filler for these.
about to paint a '69 '42 Chris Craft, thanks for your expertise!
Love the fairing floats. We always used various diameters of PVC pipe depending on the curvature needed.
you use a pvc pipe as a fairing float?
love your videos ,the click and clack of boat refurbishment .
Great info. I am presently building my first 16 ft skiff and I find that I frequently view your videos for reference. Thank you.
Thank you Andy, you help me, so much.
You are such a pro. Takes tons of skill to spread that nice. Great job and great content
Man I couldn't thank you enough for sharing all your knowledge. I took on a boat rebuild project and you made it all so much easier.
Well Andy you said it. Rum in the coffee it is!
Andy, another excellent video. Thank you. Intelligent life on you tube! Finally!
Good humor in the start of this video
No Bailey's.. I learned to go straight to the Sheridan's. Best breakfast or anytime. Keeps me smiling when the wife is talking 😂.
Andy, Bought your booklet a while back, but I can't seem to understand when to use polyester or epoxy. I use epoxy for all repairs. In this video you covered the bottom with polyester and sanded then put down fairing. Why not not just use fairing to begin with? Thanks for some king of explanation !
Love your videos. I have a 1965 17' Boston Whaler that has horrible crazing of the gelcoat. I it ground and a new layer of glass added. I don't need a factory restoration. I am kicking around two ideas, shoot with gelcoat or paint. It has been suggested that I lay gelcoat down like you did here. My question; If I chose to finish with gelcoat instead of paint, would I need to fair the boat or just shoot and sand gelcoat? Thanks!
I'm my 3rd quart of the stuff. Love it. Use it for everything!!!!
first thing that came to mind was the children's tale of the OWL and Pussy cat that went to sea in a pea green boat now have a bit more knowledge to attack the one i have on a trailer waiting now for 4 years to replace the floor and do a couple of small cracks in the hull ,fingers crossed
I asked a question than kept watching and got the answer. You are a genius
Thank you for the fairing portion. Looking forward to the next video. This is what I requested awhile back. Takin notes! 📝
Is it necessary to wet out the area first w/ a thin layer of epoxy to make the fairing compound bond better? Or will TotalFair bond to any sanded surface? Thanks for another great video!
It's best to apply the fairing directly to a clean, sanded surface :-)
I'm curious about what you think of people using table top epoxy to do structural repairs? If you watch sailing uma it looks like they used table top epoxy to fix the ribs in the keel.
Thats one way to do it. If I were to paint that I would have looked at an Epoxy Ultra or High build primer. It acts as a real thick gelcoat. For your project it looks pretty close as far as being faired. One of the issues I had run into with that is that it's so thick you need a key coat of primer under for it to bond. Spray key coat of say finish primer 30min flash spray ultra build, 45 min, one more coat and go have a bite to eat. I have done them both ways. Time frames and the ability to spray determines which way to go. It fairs real nice but don't let it sit for a few days otherwise its get rock hard. Looks good though.
Andy, you opened the door when you referred to drywall. Understanding that wax is added to Gelcoat, to advance curing, couldn’t we assume that Gelcoat (without wax) would cure on the structure, but not the surface (thinking 50/50). Allowing us to add additional unwaxed coats, to build up before sanding. Just a thought, I defer to your judgement!
For clarification, I’m suggesting multiple chemical bonds before a wax coat followed by a mechanic bold. You thoughts?
Andy for equal parts I found I bought some cheap kitchen measuring cups and all I do is clean then when I’m done for the day.
It seems like your longboard is digging in on the corners. Would rounding them help at all?
"Poo doo" I like it 🤣
And also Andy, knowing the cost of total fair, couldn’t you just apply another layer of gelcoat? Even a slightly tinted gelcoat? If you paint, that is.
Andy, thanks for another awesome video. If you would can you make a video of blister repair? If you already made one I’ve not found it yet. I believe a PO of my Aloha 32 used this green Total Fair to fill in the holes when they were attempting to repair some blisters. I’ve been told it just isn’t made for that and much of it came out with a pressure washer the first time I hauled out for the season.
Thanks for all you do for us.
From the top of the Chesapeake to ya...
always learn a lot from your videos
It would be nice to see your wife say a few words about your work and your video productions. After all, she is part of it too, Cheers, Richard
Great video makes me wanna buy a garage n set up a work shop
Thanks for all the wisdom. I would have been interested in the before and after weight of the hull.
Love your videos. Have you made a video on spraying gelcote? Ive looked at your past video's and have not found one. Thanks and keep up the great work
Thanks, Andy! Another great video packed with awesome info! You're a gem!
I follow every one of your videos! Wish you were a little closer, like 1800 miles! LOL
I keep forgetting this boat was supposed to just be a painting prop! LOL Seriously though, awesome content, thank you!!
Side note: PLEASE tell me "poodoo" was a Star Wars reference!!! LOL
I wish I had known about the TB compound not working at all with gelcoat before I started working with it. I made a real mess. It was so bad I ended up laying down a layer of epoxy resin over all of it and gelcoating over that. If that separates for some reason I'll either take it all back down and start over or paint. But it was very solid. Also, its a sunfish hull, so really just a practice piece.
Around 12:50, Andy mentions that if finishing with gelcoat then an epoxy fairing compound shouldn't be used, but I thought West System along with Andy a while back proved that was an old wive's tale kind of thing? So long as the amine blush is wiped away adhesion and curing gelcoat to epoxy shouldn't be an issue?
Very nice work m8
As always a great job. Really impressed with your working skills.
Andy, can you share your ratio of gelcoat:mekp for this step? It’s a full quart and a surface that would make me stressed. Thanks man!
When you wiped your gloved hand over the surface and showed the camera there was still dust. Did you go over it again or was it okay to be ignored? I guess what I'm asking is if you can leave some dust how much dust is too much? Can you fair over various degrees of dirt to show us outdoor DIY guys at which point it works and doesn't work? Or don't really want to go into that much detail?
Seems like your flex-trowel's sharp corners should be slightly rounded like some plastering and stucco trowels which gives a non-ridged finish.
Instead, of wax gelcoat, use fairing compound to level the fg surface. Sand it and apply a second, and, if needed, a third, coat of fairing compound, sanding between coats.
Another great video Andy, thanks.
Why wouldn't you use micro balloons and cab o sil then coat the hull with straight epoxy for filling pin holes? Seems like it would apply and sand much easier then that fairing compound.
You're using paint instead of gel coat what is the reason?
Also what made you to choose the CSM over what looks like the original hull?
These videos are so informative, they've really helped with my backyard restoration project. I'm curious; when would you choose to wet sand gelcoat over dry sanding? My sandpaper is "corning" almost immediately when dry.
Could you fill small drilled holes with polyester and cabosil like you would do with expoxy? How about under the water line?
Like on the speedometer pick up.
This is the step I'm on in my boat kinda feels like we're doing it together
Andy I was just wondering. The other brands of fairing compound that can leave pin holes. What if you were to mix a batch up and place in a vacuum chamber before applying. Do you think it would help lesson the pin holes or maybe help eliminate the pin holes all together. What's your thoughts. Thanks
Who would of thunk I’d spend my time watching epoxy dry.
...mesmerizing.
Does the total boat filler leave any “blush” as it cures?
Thanks
Epic dude.
Owe you an apology fif I waisted your time. I ask to see how you turn this over before watching previous videos. Sorry.
Keep em coming. Best DIY videos I've run across.
Oh "Glorious " sanding.....Sucks you pay so much for all those products, just to sand half away.
Someone else watches sail life lol!
@@akja9188 🤭😎👍
@@akja9188 what you really mean is someone else spends 30 minutes each week watching mads sand
Great work so far!
Great video. One question. Wouldn't have been better to use two colors of gelcoat? Sanding through the gelcoat and on the glass sounds like a recipe for disaster. Using two colors of gelcoat could indicate when you need to stop sanding the second coat, just so you don't damage the glass.
22:45. Thats why my wife wants a boat!! The "Overall lean!" Lol!! I see ya now man!!
Edit: i have to comment how that green was a perfect match!!
Isopropyl alcohol works well for a surface cleaner for me and it’s cheep! Oh and it’s smells ok
Thanks. Very informative! 👍
What about using Xylene? Slower evaporation rate, about $20/gal. When I had my boat, that's what all the people doing glass work would use. They said "half the price of prep, slower evap rate, and essentially the same stuff". They do use Acetone when they do small areas that they want the ultra fast flash off of Acetone.
I use alcohol when ever I can. I stay as far away for acetone as possible.
Am I correct you sanded and wipped down with acetone first before applying the total boat
Outstanding! as always!
I like big boats and I cannot lie!!
i have a keel sailboat that has gelcoat. I have NO IDEA what I'm doing
to prep for new season. Is there a school or training program you
recommend? I want to understand all of it. Materials, approaches, how
to deal with midseason hull cleaning, fiberglass and gelcoat repairs.
It's all so new and confusing. Any advice on schools? Thanks. GREAT
videos.
Did you ever consider the possibility that maybe your shoulder problems are due to not enough sanding?
Hello Andy, thanks so much for sharing. It is the 1st time a truly understand how to do it from begin to the end a fiberglass project. So, thanks so much. I still kept one doubt. When you applied the gelcoat with wax to cure the polyester resin it is ok after sanding to see red surfaces? Are the red surfaces not to be hurt in the future because they were not cure with the gelcoat? Sorry for my ignorance. Kind regards, Paul
Best series thus far...could be because fairing is foremost on my mind! Ha
Another good vlog Andy, stay safe from the uk
I’m just tryin to make the ol boat not sink, so after patching it up correctly what parts can I skip before paint? I don’t care how smooth it is.
I love the" total boat" fairing goo. I wanna try their regular epoxy products but iam a West system man and it's good shizzle. Someday.
I would appreciate it if you could give us an estimate of the approximate weight per square foot added through this process. This would be helpful for those of us that are trying to keep the weight down for performance purposes. Although not as important, I’d be curious to know how much weight is lost in the sanding process.
Great work
Thanks for the informative video! One question: should or could you thin the fairing compound just slightly? It seems to be bit hard to push on there. Especially when using big tools like flexisaders.
bantha poodoo? one heck of a nerd reference... congratulations! didnt suspect you had it in you!
Hello Andy hope you having a good time. This is Big Knucklehead from Miami Florida. I just finished your recent video and notice that you said if we using that type of fairing compound we should not use gelcoat afterwards. Well, I made that mistake. I used that product when you first introduced a quite some time ago. As you stated my gelcoat did not fully cure at that time. What I would like to know is how can I fix this error. Do I need to sand everything back down to the original fiberglass and try to remove as much of the fairing compound as possible or is there another way. This was a repair that I was doing on the boat.
hi what work time do you have b/4 it sets off .also love your work u explain and advise the dos and donts thanks
Hey, I’m confused I you use gelcoat and then you paint will you tell me the right way to do it
Reminds me of blocking a car/truck etc. Miserable. Filler...sand...primer-filler...sand...primer-filler...you get it.
Avacodo green!
enjoying video
If I paint my dash with Alex seal and stop there,will I be able to pick up where I left off without having a noticeable line? Will it blend in ok
I love this fucking guy he is great!!! Hey you should do a repair of a fiberglass bathtub bottom crack/sponge repair👍👍👍
Can I fiberglass over Total Boat fairing compound, I mean small holes and low spots?
Hi Andy. I've done some fairing on my cockpit sole with Total Boat two-part. Will I be able to apply Kiwi Grip non skid compound on top of that? Not sure if Kiwi is a polyester based product which might be problematic over the TB epoxy based compound. TB describes Kiwi Grip as a hard acrylic polymer. Thanks.
You should be perfectly fine to apply overtop this fairing :-)
@@boatworkstoday Thank you.
I’m in the process of a 70% record of my sailboat. I’m using kiwi grip and have been on the phone with their technical department. They say it works best over epoxy. I’m using epoxy fairing compound (I’m mixing it myself) over the whole boat and only using total boat where the paint will be. And I made that decision 5 minutes ago when Andy reminded me of the pinholes. Time to order total boat before I go further. And kiwi grip will go over pinholes.
Re-core. Not record
Hi Andy, I have the same size boat to fair, and I'm planning on using TotalBoat. Roughly how much fairing did you use on this boat?
What are those flexible compound spreaders called? The ones in your video that makes the gelcoat even and have a handle for both hands.
Can I use TotalFair over carbon fiber and West System Epoxy?
Also would a special primer be required before painting with automotive/aircraft paint (might use Polyurethane)?
Thanks Andy