EVA References You Missed in MGS1!
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The References of Snake's Mother, EVA, in Metal Gear Solid 1 (1998).
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I guess when Campbell said "it couldn't be..." back during the Shadow Moses incident was meaning the Patriots...
I always thought that… it like he knew
But. It couldn’t be…..
Wonder if Big Boss told him about the Patriots while leading Fox Hound? Would make sense after gaining his trust during the San Hieronymo Takeover.
@@FOXCYBORGNINJADonald Anderson who is actually Sigint from MGS3? Explains MGS1s ending where Ocelot said the real DARPA Chief knew who Ocelot was before he killed him on “accident.”
@@FOXCYBORGNINJA Yea it was also interesting that Para Medic from MGS3 was Dr. Clark who was mentioned in MGS1 who was slaughtered by Gray Fox. But from my understanding EVA or Big Mama set Para medic up to be killed by Gray Fox after his defeat by Solid Snake on Zanzibar Land in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. For revenge for what they did to Big Boss. Same with Ocelot he was loyal to Big Boss too so he dealt with Sigint the Donald Anderson the DARPA Chief while EVA set up Para medic to be killed by Gray Fox. I’m also kinda iffy about Venom Snake being the Big Boss on Outer Heaven in Metal Gear 1 that was killed by Solid Snake while Naked Snake the real Big Boss was hiding in Zanzibar. I thought Big Boss was a badass surviving Outer Heaven but now we know it was only his phantom Venom Snake.
That’s why me and my brother had a marathon of MGS1-3 before we played MGS4😁
So many things blew our minds and we could understand since we had just recently replayed the previous games, but they still hit us shockers we didn’t see coming.
Even today replaying all the titles in the series I learn something new. Even in this video I thought Campbell was talking about The Patriots but now I found he was trying to reference Paradise Lost🤯
Hey so I just came to this video and was reading the comments but I didn’t know what’s Paradise Lost
Did you mean Outer Heaven?
Talk about the story telling and the hinting of past and future events. Hideo did one hell of a job laying this out. Still learning stuff today
I mean, he just works around what he writes before (usually involving convoluted explanations) and when that doesn't work they just retcon things. And there's arguably been retcons with every single release.
@@BrandonjSlippingAwaythis
Actually Liquid and Solid Snake biological mother is Dr Clark's Japanese assistant. The plan of Les Enfants Terribles was planned when Big Boss got end up in a coma after he almost died on battle in the 70s. That means Snake and Liquid were born in case Big Boss died. Having them born before Big Boss was comatose makes the franchise inconsistent.
I'm sorry, no one in this planet can convice me Kojima PLANNED for the happy go lucky support team from MGS3 to be the og Patriots, and not just pulled it out of his ass in a desperate attempt to tie everything together. Paramedic, the cinefile that won't stop talking about movies (specially the ones with giant monsters) was the MAN known as Dr.Clarke and conducted cruel experiments on humans? Get the f*ck outta here
@@felphero Kojima has not been consistent with the metal gear franchise after part 3. In part 2 it's was said that the patriots were a much older organization it was founded by 12 political people in the mid 19 century back when they were under the names The Wiseman's Committee and the American branch of the philosophers. But now it's changed that the team from operation snake eater are the founders counting big boss as well. This makes part 4 not praised as a masterpiece. Because it strays so far from what was already set up in the original 3 games.
Neat! I definitely missed this, and probably hundreds of more things lol
I just found out last week that in MGS2 you can see a person's name with the triangle button (I think?) if you take their dog tags and look at them with a camera, binoculors or thermal?
Not sure which.
Anyway, these games are the gifts that keep on giving.
*_Just another day on Reference War without end..._*
Kojima truly is a GENEious!
ah nice one there
Hot damn! Big Mama was cooking for decades!
Deliberately ambiguous at first, but given a much deeper meaning later on. Well played Kojima...
I always thought Liquid was talking about Naomi being a spy for the Patriots since the narrative layed out them to be a true big bad in upcoming sequel... But that's just me. Good to know that after all those years these games still give reasons for speculation and analysis.Talk about attention to even the smallest details😅
Liquid is learning about foxdie. This is why he informs Snake and colonel about Naomy's falsely constructed past. Liquid was alerted that Naomy altered foxdie last minute by one of his own spies. Snake's control group arrests Naomy because they found out she contacted greyfox to give him Snake's frequency. Possibly they then also notice she changed foxdie probably to save Snake and maybe greyfox. Btw Naomi isn't really a spy for the Patriots she is working for them directly the Patriots control foxhound (both sides)
Well i did know that but thanks anyway Pythonselkan
You are awesome
Godddayum it's been too long since i've last played MGS4, i totally missed the thing about naomi working with EVA!
A long time has passed and this franchise STILL have details that i didn't knew, HO-LY SH#T 🤣🤣🤣🤣
DAMN!! This video is 🔥!! This saga has lots of connections... this game is the GOAT!
Always good to study the scripture
!!! Makes sense and MGS4 totally pieced it together
😎👍
Eva what a woman 😍
@@shrek_yourselfHe might just be joking around. Relax.
*Eva Mendez is very pretty!* ❤
It isn't really a reference. They simply continued the story and based it on this. They developed this someone into a character. Naomy being a spy has nothing to do with it. She is not really a spy but Liquid wants to know about foxdie and casts suspicion on her in order to dig. Which works because she has done things on her own to potentially undermine the mission. 1. It must have been her that gave Snake's frequency to grey fox. that's why they say she send coded messages to the base. 2.More than likely her altering foxdie like Liquid tells snake is to make so it no longer kills snake. This is never confirmed 100% but it looks like she gave up on hating him before the mission even began.
Best mgs chanel yesir.
Noticed this on my last olaythrough
Eva should have been in mgs1 again different time Kojima know he would make a sequel.
Mgs 1 was the sequel.. metal gear was the first game metal gear solid is the 3 game in the series
Who the fuck is Kohima
@@loganboyd6609 sorry I meant kojima damn testing lol I fixed it.
Snake's backstory wasn't such a big deal during Shadow Moses as Liquid was doing his whole conquering the world thing making it difficult to shove in Eva amidst all the conflict going around. It only made sense for Kojima to bring her up at a later time where the conflict allowed her the time to reveal herself to Snake.
You know that scene when psychomantis shows himself to snake after meryl killed for the first time. "Good girls just like that". and you see on the elevator it is written. EV.A (elevator a).
This is clearly a reference to eva from the bible. although in this case it's meryl who is compared to the biblical eva. Of course Snake is the snake from the bible too right. Meryl commited a sin (arguably) gunning down those soldiers that are under mindcontrol just like her. "It's easy to forget what a sin is on the battlefield"
Snake Rocks!
That is correct.
Huh. I thought EVA was saying ahe recruited Naomi into The Patriots
Only thing that makes me question Naomi was following Eva was that she had to know David who crippled Frank was Eva's son. I could see where Naomi was actually following John instead.
Amazing attention to detail. Well spotted. So did Campbell know about Paradise lost way back in shadow Moses?
They probably wasn’t even created back then lol
*THEY NEEDED SOLID GEARS. AFTER ALL THESE **_SOLID_** YEARS.*
Another hint is in Snake Eater, killing Eva triggers a Time Paradox
I hate part 2. Everything was good til Raiden showed up
The MGS lore is a very huge rabbit hole.
Wow, I didn't know that Eva was their mother this whole time. Is there a reference I missed that tells us who the father is?
Glad you know that - but I'm afraid you misunderstood the point of this video. We're not telling you Eva is their mother. We're showing you where she's mentioned in a game from 1998 🙂
@@PythonSelkan haha, I guess I should've put a laughing face on the end. I don't know if you thought it was a funny comment or not.
Haha, yours may have been a funny comment, but unfortunately some fans have a habit of interpreting things incorrectly 🤷♂️
@@PythonSelkan 😟
Well now that I finally got to go back and forth with you, will there ever be a video on Solidus?
This also holds true for the Twin Snakes remake. Whether Meryl lives or dies, in the final phone call with Ocelot he says "What should we do about the woman" which only is said in the PS1 original if Meryl lives. This change I noticed right away and stuck with me for a while leading up to the release of Snake Eater
And that's when it hit me, Naomi Hunter was a Patriot spy, and fast forward four years later to Guns of the Patriots...it was 100% true
The Patriots are simply the government. She is working for the government directly. How can you work for an organization and be a spy of that organization. It doesn't make sense. the only distinction is that she had access to more classified information and involved with more plots than was previously believed. But it isn't exactly a secret or surprise that she is involved because she is the leader of the same project that created the Snakes and made Greyfox what he is here. Although that was her predecessor it wasn't her doing.
Remember the Time what was told about Para Medic aka Dr. Clark, where no one could refer if she was a "He" or "She" in MGS1 she was a He. Huey said in MGSV that no one could say if Para-Medic was a She or He. My Theory is that Para-Medic was a Transvestite all along. Maybe no ones figured it out. But i could be maybe wrong aswell^^
Naomy calls it a he. The explanation is simply that they changed it. They wanted another female character and so they rewrote the story. In MGS1 they also changed stuff in the story so it's only loosely build on previous episodes and they take lots of liberty to change things around. Probably it doesn't even fit into one coherent whole to begin with
Maybe.
My dumbass brain thought its gonna be talking about evangelion reference in the game 😂
Holy shit
Didn't miss it at all! MGS4 did a great job of explaining every little detail. Just goes to show you how much of the story and characters were on Kojima's mind throughout pre/post production, development, and beyond! I wouldn't be surprised if most of these characters from Solid 3 and 4 were conceptualized as far back as Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. We need more devs that care enough about their franchise to fantasize about it every waking moment. I feel like that's a large part of what made Metal Gear so special, and why there's nothing else like it.
You played 4 before 1?
@@wheedler I didn't, I was on a Metal Gear kick while 4 was coming out and binged all three Solid games and Portable Ops, so a lot of the story was still fresh in my mind by the time I got my hands on 4. Glad I did!
Insane !!
Kojima is one of those Japanese auteurs who is clueless about women, is not afraid to ham it up, and is a complexity addict. For all of the flaws of his work, you have to admire his consistency and voice. He and Yoko Taro have produced at-times embarrassing but singular stories that no one else would even dare to try. There's brilliance there marred by an elusive something that has warped their views, but we'd all be poorer off without them.
Is Kojima truly "clueless about women" thought? He himself has given interviews where he stated the portrayal of Rose (Jack's fiancee) was heavily inspired on his personal experiences with women he dated. It's funny seeing the most disliked female character in Metal Gear been the one most inspired by real women in the real world.
Perhaps it's more that he has some immature and strange portrayals of them. I'm a woman and I have never felt I could relate to his quarter-boob showing tragic femme fatales because they aren't terribly realistic. I don't think I'm supposed to, but it gives the impression of a guy who struggles with writing women AS women. I'd argue Rose is the least guilty of these tropes and that's probably WHY people hate her. She IS more like a real, human being woman.
The men don't fare much better, of course, but the male characters tend to not be run through the erotic assassin filter. If anything, most of the Snakes' foes, when male, are deformed, hideous, or old with a few notable exceptions (and those tend to have homoerotic qualities which I don't even know how to interpret that).
Unlike most of my "sisters" I will not say Kojima is sexist. It's more like there's a disconnect when he goes to write or create a female character. It's like he stops at "sexy and tragic" and that's all he knows. But, it's a franchise largely aimed at men, so that's fine. I just find it kind of worthy of a groan and an eye-roll, but I can't turn my eyes away from his overall bizarre worlds.
Kojima is like a roleplayer who tries to write a female character, whereas Taro....well, he's an older teenager trying to shock people with his CRAZY MESSED UP ideas.
But they have their place in gaming. There's genius lurking throughout, but the taste is definitely acquired.
@@mrsrobophile Do take note i never said _all_ of his female characters are realistic but simply that Rose is realistic giving Kojima at least some semblance of understanding of real women from the real world if only through the one game. Wether he has the tendency to write over the top femme fatales with non relatable and unrealistic backstories that does not mean he's not capable of writing realistic women as proven with the aforementioned Rose and, to an extent, some of the women in Death Stranding.
Yoko Taro is just Yoko Taro so like Kojima i wouldn't say he's the guy you want to go for if you're looking for realistic portrayals of women in japanese pop culture.
@@javiervasquez625 I don't think we're disagreeing.
@@mrsrobophile You're right i was simply replying just to aknowledge i read your comment.
Kojima should make more metal gear games, produce them on discs and give them away for free. Open a gofund me, and everyone donate to him for the free game they receive haha. There has to be a way around konami having the rights to metal gear. This is BS. He needs to share the complete story of metal gear and be able to pay everyone for their work
Konami te escupo por haber corrido al mas grande genio en guiones de juegos de la historia y quedarte los derechos sin soltarlos de mgs para q pudieran volver a las manos de su creador y ser terminada la mas gloriosa saga de todas.
Okay...? Kojima quiso ponerle punto final a la saga de una vez por todas para que así le gente le dejara de molestar para que hiciera Metal Gears por el resto de su vida. Agredece que al menos pudo terminar la saga bajo su control comparado con las de Konami los cuales no tienen idea de cómo escribir una historia en el universo de Metal Gear (ahem ahem Survive ahem).
@@javiervasquez625
No hay que agradecer nada al Konami moderno, por lo menos debieron dejar a Kojima terminar bien MGSV.
@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 Totalmente de acuerdo además ellos prácticamente arruinaron el legado que él dejó cuando lanzaron "Survive" el cual tenía una historia fanfiction que no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con el resto de la saga. (suspiro) ¿Por qué la avaricia hace que las personas arruinen todo lo bueno de la vida?
Él se salió
@@RibanLegna Konami lo despidió por gastar mucho dinero en MG5 y P.T. (el demo de Silent Hills).