Why Allen Iverson Is OVERRATED!
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All I ask is that you watch the video and hear my points before freaking tf out based on the title/thumbnail. That probably won’t happen, but figured asking was worth a try.
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Rusty Buckets Finally, haven’t seen the video but, someone that finally has the same opinion of him as me.
I agree, but I love Iverson so you're wrong.
I’m not too much into victim blaming but if you put a incendiary title/thumbnail like that, knowing how people overreact, then you should not be surprised if you get hate comments lol that being said, I do agree that iverson’s “pound for pound best player” reputation blinds fans to the player he really was
I think you should have used per 100 posesions not per 36
One thing you don't mentioned was their opponents' respect to his mere presence.
Logic 2018: I'm biracial
Chance 2019: I have a wife
Rusty 2020: I'm 6'3"
Dylen Worthington nobody asked
@@islamomiunu8630 nobody asked if someone asked
Lilly Singh: I’m a bisexual woman of color
@Harry Engel 6,7
Mike Korzemba: STEPH CURRY WITH A 40 INCH VERTICAL
Rusty Buckets: Hold my basketball....
😂
AI CANT SHOOT
DEK TRAN yes he can
Iversen only shot 31% from three for his career
Lol
Not going to lie, I disagree with this take, but I gave you a thumbs up for bravery. People need to remember that it's okay to have different opinions on this stuff!
Same brother
God comment
appreciate you
This is the goat of all comments
Most people don't know but before Stephen curry there was marbury before kryrie there was Iverson before Westbrook there was the Francis. Before James harden there was McGrady. Just saying.
You should make a "Why Clyde Drexler is underrated" video.
This
He's not tho
@@tomasmartinezalzola9729 well for most people they tend to forget about Clyde
@@brentralphbautista9343 Only Reason is MJ overshadowed him and when he won his chips it was olajuwon who was the main man.
@@brentralphbautista9343 Great player though.
13:09
People really seem to forget that if Vince hadn't bricked that shot, the outcome of the 2001 playoffs would have been very different. Him and AI were trading 50 pieces like it was nothing in that series.
Nebulon Ranger don’t remind me of that shot. That was gut killer, until last years lucky win over the Warriors.
Vince may have went to the finals had he not attended his graduation.
@@vicshephard9231 yes stupid choice
That Milwaukee Bucks series the refs helped the 76ers in that one look at that series again
Nebulon Ranger could’ve should’ve would’ve but never done
“Rusty Balls “ wat I’ll call u being bold with this 1
Bob Jr I was just gonna say this, I respect that
I grew up watching Iverson so I was triggered when I saw this. Was ready to unsubscribe but gave the video a chance because it was 20 minutes. Really well put together. No disrespect was shown to a legend and your points were valid. I would approve of this video
You do know that overrated doesn’t mean bad right?
Why does having a different opinion make you want to unsub?
I was more being over dramatic. Tbh AI isn’t in my top five two guards at all. He is one of my favorite players all times but I don’t see him as a a top 5 talent wise. I love defense and offense. I’ve been noti gang for rusty for over a year.
Devontae Draper yeah he is definitely not top 10 but maybe top 15 to 20
Nostalgia creates delusion, take your triggered virgin assss out of here
Not trying to be a Stan, but you have to adjust for pace, per-100-possessions I am almost sure Iverson’s numbers look better
Leon Brumett fair point. I’d like to see a follow up with this taken into account. Never considered it
Facts! AI is a walking bucket.
Jarrett Smith ...and what else? There’s more to b-ball than just getting baskets.
@@blank-vj1mc AI was actually a pretty solid defender and 5-6 assists a game isnt bad. Tbh (And yes I know MJ was a better scorer and defender but) all MJ did was score and play defense and hes the G.O.A.T which is the same thing Iverson did he just wasnt as good at it but they did the same things
Converted Browns Fan AI was no where near defender MJ was and AI was also a lot less of a coaches player. That’s why he only made it to one finals. Can’t be an all time two guard if you’re only exceptional at one thing.
RUSTY COMIN FOR BLOOD I SEE 😂😂😂
Yung Mustard shut up delete your channel you said Tim Duncan was overrated 🤦🏽♂️
memo Ordonez u obviously don’t know what april fools is, have a nice day sir :)
memo Ordonez He was literally joking with that he released on April Fools day
Please bring your old intro back :'(
@@memoordonez9297 he never was april fools
The thing with Allen Iverson is that he was more of a media phenomenon than he was a great player. He was beloved for a couple reasons. First, women embraced him, particularly in the black community, because of his swag and style. Iverson ushered in a hip-hop vibe as well. Also, he was a giant killer. He produced more with less. Everyone always roots for David and against Goliath.
One thing rusty forgot to mention.....2000’s was the toughest era to score because not only was spacing poor but also the zone defense was implemented into a time where handchecking was allowed
No, hand checking isn't allowed since 1994.
@@sebastianalessandrello9832 2004
Sebastian Alessandrello technically “handchecking was diminished multiple times in NBA history, but in 94 they moved the needle to the point where players just started using their forearms instead of their hands because that was legal then in 04-05 it was changed to no contact that impedes or redirects a offensive players progress is allowed by the defense....sooo no handchecking wasn’t gone until after 04-05
Aaron Berry uhhh u apparently didn’t watch the video because half the video he was talking about just that lmao
DarkenedVortexGames I watched this over twice and unless I’m missing something he never mentioned the rules at the time he talked about the spacing not the rules. Maybe you didn’t watch the video
Lol i never thought you're 6'3", expected more like 5'9" no offense
How is that offensive😂
I get that alot for some reason lol, idk why. I'm holding a basketball for scale
I think It's the way you frame the shots of you sitting down. We can see the top of your head and space above you. It's like the camera is looking down at you.
basketball highlights haha
@@rustybuckets basketball? I need a banana for scale
I'm sorry Rusty but you are showing why analytics is ruining the NBA (mad respects to you though, long time subscriber). People don't take into account contextual biases with whatever the numbers are showing you. If you didn't grow up watching basketball in the late 90's -00's then you would know why Iverson is so respected. Defenses were much more suffocating and allowed to get away with hand checking, hard fouls, and dominated by big men. He played so many minutes because his team was so offensively inept. You say his per-36 suggests inflated stats, while I suggest he could have been more efficient if he played less minutes -every game was basically playoff intensity for Iverson. The paint was highly compacted and you can't judge his team based on spacing and 3-pt because that wasn't basketball in the early 2000's. The difference between the top shooting 3-pt team and the worst shooting 3-pt team wasn't that huge back then and coaches benched players for taking 3's over a shot in the paint. Iverson was one of the most dominant guards the NBA has ever seen and they resorted to aggressively containing him. If he had another superstar quality player to back him up, his percentages would have been higher, and you saw that when he played with Carmelo Anthony.
The idea that you can just use analytics to look at the numbers of players from back in the day and compare them today retroactively ignores the fact that statistics is flawed and open to interpretation. I'm an accountant that deals with numbers all the time and have to analyze the context behind statistics. The fact that an undersized guard had this great mid-range repertoire that can finish at the rim against skyscrapers makes him pound for pound one of the best players in NBA history. Plus he was a decent defender with quick hands for his position at the time who gave a lot of effort on that side of the ball. The analytics will always favor recent players because the game is played this way.
u wrote a whole essay
Statistics explain why Curry is a better player than Westbrook. Or why Jordan was a better scorer than Kareem. Plus, Rusty already rationalized all of the points you made in this comment, so it was kind of superfluous to make.
I mentioned the context of his spacing, I do understand why AI is respected, and I didnt mention a single advanced stat in this video lmao. Minutes played isn't an advanced stat.
@@rustybuckets You mentioned the context of spacing, but still seemed to penalize AI for the fact that spacing was different back in those days. Any argument about why his teams were bad at 3's has nothing to do with his abilities as a player. If anything that just reflects the time period, his teammates, and the coaching style. It doesn't create a compelling reason for suggesting why A.I. is overrated as a player.
@@samhartje723 Numbers is just an observation, how you interpret it can still be flawed. There's many things that don't show up in a boxscore that contributes to a team's success and qualities that can't be measured such as competitiveness or leadership.
Good spacing or not, nobody who shoots 42% from the field and 30% from 3 in their prime is an 'elite' scorer in my opinion. Those numbers are literally below average even for the era. When the teams you're playing against have team-wide efficiencies better than you, you're not a great scorer.
I think the main reason why people see him higher is the overall impact he had on the NBA off and on the court. He influenced so many kids to make it to the NBA even if they weren't tall.
You are correct, sir. See my response.
You deserve a like, just because you said "I obviously know nothing about fashion. You guys see what I wear...This is a 8$ Walmart's watch" 😂😂😂 best line in the video. Keep up that good work!👍🏾
You can’t lie still the best pound for pound scorer statically.
Taseen Uddin jimmy highroller made a good vid on that
I don’t like the idea of the phrase “pound for pound” used in team sports because everyone has their own role and it’s harder to measure someone’s impact when they have an advantage due to system, teammates and people only looking at stats without context. Being bigger in Basketball doesn’t always translate to being better, there is definitely an ideal size for different roles
I’m pretty sure that Jordan is statistically the best scorer ever.
@@samhartje723 yeah But "pound for pound" means just based off weight which is fucking stupid because this sport doesn't have weight classes
DJ for his size & weight, he really is the best scorer pound for pound. Even Kobe will tell you that, Ask MJ where his ankles went💀
But if you think about it, if he would of played less minutes then his efficiency would of been better because he would of been less tired
7:27 So this guy is overrated, even though he takes literally the worst offense in the league without him on the court to a championship contender when hes on it???
Exactly. This video is extremely flawed.
@@Vibe1610 they were still the best defensive team in the nba, iverson carried the load offensively but its not why Philly made the finals. It was the weak east, 76ers defensve, and occasionally iversons offense. for example, philly won game 6 wit Iverson going 5-27 in game 6 vs bucks. To close Toronto in game 7, Iverson went 8-27 and was outscored by Aaron Mckie but 76ers still won. In game 3 vs Milwaukee, Iverson didnt even play and 76ers only lost by 6. Iverson was a 10/10 scorer but needed to ball hog and shoot alot to do it. For example on the Nuggets, there were 7 12+ ppg scorers but Iversons style couldnt play along side denver. Infact, Denver got better after trading Iverson to detroit for Billups, when Detroit got worse. Iverson is in my goat list for influence but ppl dont know many details and hold him above so many players who were team players so they didnt have nearly the stats. Probably not gunna reply since most AI fans arent willing look at the facts i just put. Sure hes the best pound for pound scorer ever, but it didnt help a TEAM to play like that. also basketball doesnt have a weight class anyways
Overrated doesn't mean he was bad or without impact.
@@bryanchen5214 great points. Idk about how talented AI was I’m taking someone like Billups on my team every time and the proof of why is there when you see what happened after they were traded. Chauncey was smart, crafty, skilled everywhere including having a great post game as a PG . Chauncey had a far bigger impact on winning and leading than AI
Even though Iverson is my favorite player of all time just for the fact that he did what he did being so short, you’re points are correct. People in the comments are gonna argue with them, they’re 100% correct. The thing that makes him so good in my eyes is his impact like you stated, similar to Currys impact rn with everyone and their moms attempting 3s, Iverson made it cool to be short and play basketball
Rusty proving that he has enough balls to get drafted first round, and I’m not referring to the NBA.
NOOO I don't have any balls. Come to think of it I actually got some bone spurs
Rusty lol u said u got the no balls im ded
People think calling players overrated is saying they're bad...
They don't even know what "overrated" means. Good things can be overrated too, and you can still be a fan of something you think is overrated.
It’s discrediting a player. If something is good, why call it overrated? Are Ford’s overrated? Is pizza overrated?
Iverson was one of my favorite players during his prime, but I agree with this video. His efficiency was an albatross around his career. He definitely passed the eye test though. What made Iverson fun to watch was his sheer bravery and grit. His play was the sports version of David beating goliath.
Haven’t watched rusty since last decade it’s great to be back
Kristian Li Rosi shut the fuck up please shut the fuck up
@@ethanmcintyre6852 fax
@@ethanmcintyre6852 dog chill out😂
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As a short guy I loved AI's game. It was nice to see a little guy get out there and show the giants what's what. However, as a basketball fan I always found AI's game to be rather selfish an myopic. To be blunt if AI had been better about moving without the ball and had gotten his teammates involved more he would have won more and they would have probably gotten at least one title. I remember many games where AI was screwing around with the ball while all of his teammates stood stock still because he wouldn't get them involved. Part of the problem was he was insanely gifted and talented and could get away with a lot of it by riding his raw abilities. Had he been more diligent with practice and workouts (and not about going out and clubbing), and been a better example to his teammates (especially the young guys), and more committed to working as a part of the system things would have gone a lot better for him.
He’s right, but everyone is angry because they tried to imitate him as kids
I hate it when everyone was crossing over and dribble dribble for 15 seconds and goes for a miss mid range.
that used to be my biggest pet peeve when playing pickup ball in the late 90s. Everyone kept trying to do the crossover from the Reebock commercial, and they missed the layup every damn time.
Kirkology he said AI is on the same level as dame and kemba. That’s where I stopped. No nba player would say that. It’s just these you tube dudes that never played organized. I agree with his claims but nba players like kobe was praying ai.
@@picassojulien899 yep
@@bradpeters6076 I actually got several and 1's off the crossover and the spin when you throw the ball behind your back💯
Funny thing is that had AI played football, he could’ve been an all pro DB. This man was a generational athlete
Facts
Have you seen all of the wings in the NBA? A lot of those guys could’ve been all pro DBs
He played QB in high school though.
Henny Lopez he played QB and DB in high school
@@dragonboy141 Oh you're right. Plus it was in the 90's. Teams weren't really taking a chance on black undersized QB's at the time. They would have moved him to the CB position.
I disagree but you got the balls to release this video cause of all the hate so good job!
Click bait all day. He knows people will watch so he gotta bring some info. I dont agree with this tho.
This video is 100% factual. I actually have him a bit lower than you have him ranked.
Not bad . Although did you consider how the extra minutes caused him to endure more injuries as well as negatively effect his efficiency. Playing 42 min also forces you to share he floor with the bench more than the other stars he is compared to. Finally , just wondering why you are so easily considering that having EXTRA HELP may have reduced the larger numbers but not considering they would have increased his efficiency significantly?
I go to bethel (AI high school) and they be considering him god over here it’s wild. They redid the gym in his name tho & it’s dope
That's how it is when an NBA stud went to your school.
Its AI stop hatin
He deserves it. He comes from humble beginnings. Too bad he never changed his lifestyle though.
@@manz7860 sad indeed
I would attend certain schools including bethel
playing all prime years exactly at the peak of the slowest pace in league history should kinda balance out the minutes issue
I am a lifelong Sixers fan and I NEVER liked Iverson. Yes, he was exciting to watch and played with tenacity, but he wasn’t a good teammate and he wasn’t a winner. From the fistfight with Jerry Stackhouse to his legendary laziness about practice, he was not ready for prime time.
Rusty trying to live wild this 2020. He's right though.
Right? In a mirror world
I thin AI is overrated but he’s probably a top 5 2 guard. At least top 7
Everyone has their own take but I disagree with this. He took a lottery team to the finals. No AI no coach of the year in Brown or 6th man in Mckie
@@JeffersonSteelflexx you need to provide a non championship reason of why there are 4 or 6 shooting guards above him, if you bring up fg% I got something for ya.
@@ericheart1198 Although he had the 6th man of the year who was also a lock down defender... DPOY in Mutumbo... Great size/Rebounding in Ty Hill and Matt Geiger and the COY in Larry Brown an another great defender in Lynch... Naw that's that hood hype Bullshit AI was also toxic ASF as well. But he's still one of my All time favorites but I agree with Rusty on this one.
Iverson is so high on all time lists because of impact. Straight up
I did do + will somewhat like him but from 11-96 up to 04-98 the 76ers went 53-111
He knows what he's doing with this one
AI was very important to the culture and like LeBron said he was an idol for a lot of black kids growing up. That’s what adds to his legacy along with his play. Edit: also with him being short he put on for a lot of people man!
Lo.so what
Ruff Prophet Productions AI is the reason I even got into basketball. He made me a diehard Sixers fan. I have tattoos and long hair because of him.
I don't think he was a positive role model in any stretch of the words. If anything, he was kind of a toxic pawn.
Ok but that doesn’t make him a better basketball player. Every time I see a “Wade vs AI” argument AI stans ALWAYS bring up “AI was more influential tho”. Wearing cool clothes doesn’t make you a better player
As a Sixers fan who watched every game in 2000-01, they were not the same team after the Dikembe trade (I remember it was debated on talk radio everyday when the trade went down).
The Sixers were 41-14 at the time of the trade with the best record. Trading Ratliff for Dikembe is not the problem, throwing in Kukoc is where the trade went wrong. Kukoc was the only legit scoring threat after Iverson as he would come off the bench and keep a team from making a run while Iverson was resting.
The team went 14-12 in regular season after the trade, and went 12-11 in the playoffs so they were essentially a .500 team post Kukoc.
Facts people really forget that before ratcliff got hurt they were a problem and still should've kept kukoc because matt Geiger could shoot and score and was still a big body I think they would've been better to just pick up a random big on a lesser trade
The nigga went against Kobe alone and is a multiple time scoring champ.. I feel like he deserves the praise he gets
I agree
A.I was the 2000's version
Of James Harden. A Shot Jacker with a Ultimate Greenlight
We really gone act like Kyrie don’t exist
@@ky5059 Kyrie Plays nothing like A.I
If anything his style is more like Kobe's
Just a shorter version
@@ky5059 kyrie is a really efficient scorer...
@@cgr8826 lol, that's due to shot selection
Harden has 52% effective field goal (to AI 45%) with 60% true shooting (to AI 52%)...Yes spacing is different, but the efficiency difference is a little too much to be explained simply by spacing. harden's volume is also a lot larger than AI's even with 7 less minutes played.
There's something to be said for playing 71 regular season games at 42 minutes a game, and still having the energy to play 22 postseason games at over 46 minutes per game. He was relentless.
Rusty Starting 2020 with a banger (Mostly since it’s 20 minutes long)
If you watched even a few games just in that 2000/2001 season alone, I’m fairly sure you wouldn’t feel this way.
The entire offence was literally based on getting Iverson the ball so he could draw defenders and get a shot off.
Say what you will of his career, and yeah that Sixers team won a slew of awards, but Iverson was literally unstoppable that year.
His basketball iq was off the charts too. He was like Russel Westbrook with a brain.
Top 5 2guards
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Mamba
Flash
The Beard
The Answer
Ichigo4girls
I agree with that
this is the top 5
I agree but Clyde is a ver close Nr6 imo
Looks like my list
The pistons Isaiah Thomas is better than Wade and Harden
This is why I hate my fellow millennial NBA fans sometimes because when they aren’t old enough to recall these legends playing in their primes, they can’t help but look at Basketball Reference and compare their numbers to the players of today’s era instead of their PEERS that player in the same era as them.
AI played during the era of hand checking and when bigs were actually BIGS protecting the paint.
Shitty and predictable argument for why Iverson is overrated when his era clearly indicates that he was one of the best among it.
If AI is “overrated” because he played 40 plus mpg, then I guess everyone’s numbers from that era was inflated because in the 00-01 season alone, you had 13 guys playing 40 plus minutes and 22 players playing 39 mpg or more including other all time greats such as Shaq, T-Mac, J-Kidd, C-Webb, Vinsanity, Kobe, etc.
It's undeniable that Iverson was and is one of the most talented and impactful players ever, but you could argue that at certain points in his career, he got in his own way of achieving more.
There’s also some older guards I’d put ahead of him like George Gervin, Pete Maravich, and the Logo. Maybe a little biased but also GINOBILI
Yeah AI is my favorite player of all time so I definitely had to watch but I do respect the points that you brought up but I had to disagree. But you did make some damn good points.
my all-time favorite male athletes/jocks ever are were + or will be #1 tied wilt chamberlain + bill russell #2 kareem abdul-jabbar + #3 hakeem olajuwon
Overrated and Allen Iverson do not belong in the same sentence.
Iverson Per 36 in his prime (00-04):
24.6/4.6/3.4/2.2/0.2 with 3.2 turnovers
49.8% true shooting
Lillard Per 36 in his prime (16-20):
26.9/6.7/4.6/1.0/0.4 with 2.7 turnovers
59.5% true shooting
Very well thought out video Rusty!! I am a huge Allen iverson fan but your video made great points and I ain’t even mad! Keep up the great quality content mr. Buckets!
His best FG% was in his 2nd year, but your point still stands.
That’s not part of the prime rusty was talking about.. starting in his 3rd year
I've always thought that it was weird that people think Iverson dragged a trash team to the finals when the 2001 sixers had the Defensive Player of the year, the Sixth Man of the year, and the Coach of the year.
Coach of the year with what championship resume under his belt?
Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade, Drexler, Harden then Iverson
West was a point guard you stupid fuck tard
@@itsyaboiswish0635 he played PG and SG
@@itsyaboiswish0635 combo guard
@@itsyaboiswish0635 lol he traded position to point guard later on in his career you loser
itsyaboiswish 06 Iverson was also a combo guard 🤦♂️
The fact u compared kemba with DAMETIME… bruh. Credibility 📉
Sorry I can't ride with you on this one.
Any anyone that even considers A.I overrated is Disrespecting the NBA and disrespecting imo.
@@123dan165 it's just his opinion on a game where you put a orange ball in a basket it's not that serious and he was very respectful to AI did you even watch the video.
Dude you forget iverson was a high school phenom and averaged 20ppg as a fresh at g town and 25ppg as a sophmore
This man really hates us 😭 and we doing cheeks RN too
As a very biased AI loyalist who also enjoys your channel, I think you made some very valid points about his career.
HOWEVER.....
The 2001 season is not overrated. I’ve never heard anyone say that accept for you and I genuinely think if you had seen and been around at that time for greater context you couldn’t possibly stand by that point. He had a team of hardworking role players and the entire offence was based on him running around and drawing the defence.
you shouldn't be biased or prejudiced at all seriously period no questions asked at all and so on
Very good role players, though. Team of defenders and rebounders, with the 6th man of the year and a good playmaking point guard. The team was built to make the most of his high volume shooting.
Easy to play 42 minutes when you never practice
BPDMF Or......he didn’t like to practice because he was beat the fuck up from playing 40+ minutes every night...
No one said the sixers were bad. They are saying take iverson off the team and they dont make the playoffs. They're probably a lottery team.
He was seriously overrated. Exciting to watch but it seemed he got credit for being a small man in a big man's game.
He took a lot of bad shots. A volume scorer who needed 30 shots to score 35 points. Liability on defense except for gambling in the passing lanes.
What A.I. did is get his team to the finals and at least win a game vs that Laker team that didn't even lose a game in the playoffs until they got to final.
Rusty wants all the smoke on this one 💨
You said his roster wasnt that bad. But the next highest scorer was averaging 12.8per game. Thats pretty bad. Even if they were good defensively.
I loved watching AI. He was one of the most entertaining players in league history.
That said, he was also an inefficient volume shooter. Both can be true.
@Fries I've never seen this guy's videos, but he's not wrong. They were all high usage, low efficiency shooters who disappeared on the defensive end.
Of the three, both the eye test and metrics suggest T-mac was the best at his peak. Though, I'd prefer to watch AI 100 times out of 100. The man was must see television every time he stepped on the court and definitely had the most lasting impact on the game.
Carmelo may actually be the most overrated player in league history. Some of it isn't his fault; he was drafted at the same time as Lebron so the comparisons were natural. It's hard to measure up against the second best (I'm a Jordan guy) player in basketball history.
The rest is all on him.
So was Kobe Bryant, Tmac, and other top scorers during this era. Allen also had no help until he was traded to Denver. That said, his cultural significance is a big part of why he's regarded as highly as he was, so if someone wants to call him overrated, I respect the criticisms because they are real.
@@factandsuspicionpodcast2727 tmac was a good defender tho
5th best two is really good though historically shooting guard is probably the weakest position in the NBA. Iverson should be in his own category of combo guard though. Also...wasn’t George Gervin a shooting guard?
I think he is like a wingman though I always thought of him as an sf/sg
Gotta remember Allen iverson didn’t have the team that everyone else had
Phillymade 1996 facts the dude tripping ai 5’11 cooking up the league
I agree compare to Wade that has a good team.. And that's the reason he does have a ring.. For sure he wouldn't ranked that high if he didn't win a chip just like AI..
@@chad9113 if that trade with tmac falls through we would be talking differently today for sure or if the 76ers wouldn't have drafted Larry Hughes over dirk or the truth Paul pierce
@@PhillyMade as far as I know there's only 2 teams that has an interest on Dirk.. It's Mavs and Celtics..
So 76ers will not have Dirk.. Maybe Peirce..
Dude didn't even consider the defensive pressure opposing teams give to him.. Teams put more effort on defense against AI compared to MJ and Kobe
AI was talented, but his mentality never allowed him to play a winning basketball style.
He didnt have a winning mentality? Last time I checked he made it to the finals, or am I trippin?
@@itsyaboiswish0635 So what? He made it once to the finals? The first thing that comes to my mind is why only once? When you skip training, you can't deal with your coaches and you're too focus on scoring, is that a winning mentality? I don't think so.
@@enamuossuo you are true, but I would say that's just more of a bad attitude than anything
itsyaboiswish 06 that’s right, couldn’t win the NBA title, and could win the Olympic gold medal
What I always found hilarious was that people (i call them efficiency warriors) would downplay Kobe‘s scoring numbers because “hE nEvEr ShOt HiGhEr ThAn 47% In A sEaSoN,” but their favorite player would be Iverson or McGrady, and nowadays, Harden.
Harden shoots a ton of threes which makes him seem less efficient then he actually is.
harden plays on the boundaries of efficiency as he shoots so many threes and free throws his true shooting is good but his box score efficiency looks woeful hes really hard to quantify
As much as I want to see that perspective, I can’t. People harped on Kobe strictly for being a chucker, regardless of the shots he took. And it wasn’t until the boom of “advanced analytics” that people became more of apologists for lower field goal %s and used effective fg% and ts%. And, Kobe didn’t play in an offense/system or era that called for high volume 3pt shooting. And before anyone tries to downplay Kobe’s 3pt ability, he had the record for 3s in a game with 12 3s in a game for over 10 years until Steph broke it. He could’ve easily been a 36%-40% 3pt shooter if he simply shot more. Same thing with Jordan and bird.
AIs fg% lower makes more sense
Ngl that is a nice Wal-Mart watch
Some points were valid but you trying to make that 2001 team seem like they weren’t the most mediocre team to EVER make the finals is hilarious! That was a solid team at best that had no business making it to the finals!
I agree with most of your points but its not Iverson's fault that other people couldn't play the minutes he does.
Personally, Isiah Thomas and John Stockton are better small guards. But AI is far from overrated.
He carried his lackluster offensive team to the NBA Finals, Won the scoring title 4 times, 11x All star, 1x MVP + and averaged 26.7 PPG through out his career. Top 25 of all time in my book!
Ima keep it real Chief. Delete this
Did you even see him play??? U cant look at stats or advanced stats and judge him off them. You have to have watched him live. Hes alot better than what you give him credit, regardless of his height.
Can't agree with you on 2001, that was nowhere near a finals or championship team
I said it wasn't a championship team lol, just not a horrible team like people say
What people forget to mention when discussing Iverson’s 2001 team is that those players didn’t have success anywhere else. Mutumbo was the only player who had a great career post Iverson. That’s why we respect him and that’s how you know he CARRIED those guys.
The team was built around him, he had great defensive talent around him to make up for his defensive shortcomings
Drexler was definitely better than Iverson. If you had to choose what GM wouldn't pick the taller more athletic guy who's better on defense.
More athletic? Lol
@@gangstagummybear3432 u trying to claim A.I. is more Athletic than Clyde if so u outta yo rabbit ass mind just because a.i smaller dont mean he more athlectic i guess prime chris Paul is more athletic than lebron because he small and can dunk to right?
@@jayvon221 give me some clips of clyde playing a sport outside of basketball and we got a deal
Allen Iverson took the worst team to the final in terms of scoring supporting cast in NBA history.
timmazgspot the 07 cavs have entered the chat
nah, 07 Cavs had a better offense around LeBron
@@skywalker2676 funny enough as much ppl go around spreading that nonsense the 07 cavs is not even in top 10. Actually 5 of the bulls championship is in the top 10. That is what made MJ's bulls championship very impressive even when the triangle broke down.
timmazgspot what’s ur point?
It's amazing how his body held up playing all the minutes.At his size and stature
Brian Turner true thay cuz you got dudes like curry who are taller and weigh more who are fragile asf
@@skywalker2676 Hell load managing and shit Look at kawhi barely can play 70 games
I don’t think A.I. is overrated. Always injured at 5’10( he’s not 6ft) and 170lbs, he took a team to the Finals that didn’t belong in the Finals. 76ers beat MIL with Ray Allen and Glen Robinson, TOR with Vince Carter, beat IND with Reggie Miller and Ron Artest. Also giving LAL their ONLY loss in the post season. Although Mutumbo was an allstar and DPOY that year he was by no means an offensive threat. Remember the era, it was more physical and they didn’t shoot the 3 like they do now nor do they get calls like they do now.
Iverson absolutely carried those defensive teams, even if your defense is elite you still have to score and Iverson did ALL of it, how you go say the Sixers were good with 1 superstar and an elite defense but the bucks were bad with 3 20ppg scorers and 2 all-star and a decent defense
You say Iverson stats are inflated but Kobe, Harden, and Jordan are all higher than him on the all time usage rate % list
Iverson's numbers are consistent for 12 of 14 years not matter what the construction of the team was, at that size, in that era
If you watched Iverson play then you know without a doubt that he is a top 5 SG all time
Take out Harden and add TMac at number 3, Iverson number 4, Wade at 5
Thats too much youre putting wade at top 5? Dude he's the best sg after jordan and kone
@@winter9242 how so?? What's that best on, Championships?? No other metric supports that
@@UNerdz_ so youre relying on how they score? For one thing wade is a better defender than both of them plus when it mattered the most of course youve got to put winning on it since this is an all time ranking wade was the best player out of that team during the 06 finals evem though after that he was dealing with injuries but he still bounced back plus wade is also clutch and reliable during crunch time so they are on equal grounds there
@@winter9242 Wade could tie Prime Tmac's shoes, at one point we were wondering who was better out of him and Kobe, Shaq was still a dominant 20+ and 15 in 06 so Wade wasn't even getting doubled plus half his scoring came from free throws 🙄
A.I. was literally the only source of consistent offense and kept that Sixer team in contention for years leading the league in scoring while still averaging 6 ast getting DOUBLE at 6ft 165 lbs; Kobe said it best, "we should all be fortunate A.I. wasn't 6'5"" 😤
Urban_Nerdz_ facts. Wade gets a free pass despite not even being the best player on his team for those 3 title runs. Shaq was still the best Center in the league in ‘06. Only reason they the Heat won because somehow Wade was able to outshoot the entire Mavs team in free throws.
I disagree but i can't let these youngsters act like Iverson was the first to rock tatts. That was Dennis rodman. One of the most underrated NBA top 100 players of all time and conveniently forgotten by people who don't want to admit how popular and controversial he was. No respect by the these youngsters
Every modern-day guy you said, kemba on IT specifically, would have been almost useless in AI's situation. Whole lot of recency biased
You know, I just realized something. I'm about 15 minutes into the video, and not once have you directly addressed his game. All you've done is try to discredit his accomplishments and his stats. You don't say he's overrated because of anything relating to his play on the court, it's all picking apart his stats and what he's done. This was even worse with the abomination that is the Stockton video. All you do is discredit the fact that he had the most assists in Basketball history by a massive margin. You only think of him as "The assists guy". You seem to think that's the only reason people hold him so high, and same hoes for Allen Iverson. You seem to think of him as 'The guy who was an amazing scorer and who had that amazing 2001 playoff run". So in response to that, you try to pick holes in his stats, prop up his team, and discredit his opponents. What you fail to understand is that all of that stuff is the proof of greatness, not why he's great. That's like saying that the 2016 Finals wasn't impressive for Lebron because the Warriors choked. Yeah they choked, but because LeBron's play was so unbelievable. You're working backwards. Same with Stockton. Saying that his assists aren't impressive because he was with Malone to discredit him is dumb because the assists are the proof of Stockton's greatness, not the cause of it. When people mention his assists as impressive, it's not just impressive because of the sheer number of assists, but because his play allowed him to get that many. Just passing the ball doesn't mean shit for assists, you have to set up your teammate for success by passing the ball at the right time and place. Stockton didn't just chuck the ball to Malone every time like you seem to think he did, he set him up for success, and that's why he was so good. Malone's career efficiency was over 50%, so that shows that Stockton got that many assists by making good passes to set up Malone consistently. But saying that the "System" is what allowed him to do it is stupid, because the system wouldn't work of Stockton wasn't that good. If there's a system to make even a good not great player rack up that many assists we sure as fuck haven't found it. That's not mentioning that Stockton did a fuckton more then just pass the ball, but that's besides the point.
To conclude, play is the single most important thing that determines greatness, and stats are just the way of illustrating that. They lack context and don't paint anything close to that full picture. Accomplishments are very important, but you have to remember that although accomplishments are determined by level of play, level of play isn't determined by accomplishments. They need to be discussed and are a huge part of a players legacy, but saying that a certain player is overrated is in almost all cases referring to their level of quality as a player versus the common consensus of them, and using what they have or haven't done to discredit their quality as a player is stupid.
You'll never see this, but on the small change you I do, I hope you try to do better on the future.
This comment is buried which is why no one has seen it but you explained this really well, agreed
@@EC-jg1gd thanks lol, I totally forgot I made this
lol
He he ha ha
Glad you mentioned the comparison to IT. I always thought if IT was playing back in early 2000 he would get a lot more respect and he’s literally identical to AI yet never was praised for his game and was bounced around team to team and released. We all love AI because his swagger and heart being 6’0 and the way he carried himself. He was a new different kind of player we’ve never seen so people loved him. I’d def say he’s a top 30 player tho
Guiilty IT would be hardly effective playing in an era in which their were handchecking and actual bigs in the game that protected the paint as if it was their bank vaults.
revisionist history is not so kind to AI. he was respected back in 2001.
Harden is not ahead of Iverson. Harden has had several historically bad playoff chokes.
Rusty common now. If anything Iverson is underrated not overrated
Heres a hot take.... I would rather have Ray Allen than AI on my team, even at their peaks. And I would definitely take Allen's career over AI. AI had a slightly better peak, but Ray had the intangibles and fits better with more talented players. Even when he had more spacing in Denver, it was still "his turn, my turn" 1v1 offense with Melo which is why they improved so much trading him for a real PG in Billups. You had to build a specific type of team around AI to cover his weaknesses.
Not a bad take tbh
Out of curiosity, could AI pass?
Just curious
I disagree but i respect the points you've made except the per 36 when you didn't take into account pacing in AI's era. Great Vid tho
This💯
Allen Iverson doesn't need to be the best, or even any good to be my favourite player. If only there would be a stat for Dopeness.
AI never had real help for his whole career
I'm aware of that
@@rustybuckets Thats why I always cut him slack.
AI is also victim of shitty management that got him nobody.
Allen Iverson isn't even 6 foot he's 5'10. He was dealt the absolute worst scenarios his team never being good. Sure people like to say dekembe was dpoy in 2001 but it means nothing to Shaq. It was literally him alone in those finals. Being the only team to beat the lakers in any game. Theyre great in defense but good offense beats good defense and when your match-up is Kobe and Shaq its almost laughable. being 5'10 guard in the early 2000s is absolutely insane. Lets say he played in this era he'd absolutely dominate. He's literally a better Kyrie.
Cmon man you didn’t just compare Iverson to kemba walker
John Smith AI OVERRATED
Exactly. Disrespectful to Kemba
@@tendopain2585 yeah til you rewind Kemba to the 90s and 00s
The AI Truth it’s called a joke. Nobody thinks Kemba is as good as AI. You white knighting hard as fuck.