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So disturbing. Very sad, however, the end of this episode had me texting my son with a "WTF!!!" Aaron Paul and Josh Hartnett's acting was so damn good. The pain in Aaron's eyes when he returned to the ship after his family was murdered and the look on Josh Hartnett's face, with that slight, evil smirk just did me in. So Horrific. (I remember during a scene in the episode, Aaron was concerned with Josh's behavior after Josh's family was killed because the mission had several more years and had to be manned by both of them, so Aaron was afraid that Josh might harm himself and kill him too. However, after the initial shock and realization that Josh killed Aaron's family, when Aaron returned to the ship, I screamed, "Kill him!!!" However, if Aaron kills him, he dies too but WTH, how can he live with this man??!!) Like I said earlier, So Disturbing!!!
There’s a great RUclips video with Booker, Mara and Hartnett discussing this episode. It answers a lot of questions posted here by folks who didn’t focus on the dialogue.
Early in the episode, Cliff said that both of them were needed for the space station to function. If he killed David, he'd be killing himself. I love the way it ended, leaving it open ended as to whether Cliff killed him or not. You can tell by David's moves that he really is a con man. Seeing it the first time, with his wife, it gives the impression that they have a very passionate and loving relationship, but then using the same moves on Lana highlights how his behavior is more systematic - he expects a specific response to his moves. Don't believe me? If the dude can draw someone from memory, why does he insist on making his children pose?
@@esleyb7968eah that was super unrealistic to me they made it seem like Cliff was mechanical but obviously not to the extent he didn't love his family. There's no way he's not gonna kill David
@@esleyb7968 Said it many times neither would want to live after that so it made zero sense to continue on. Aaron Paul would of murdered him immediately.
I've been watching a few of these reactions, and no one brings up that Aaron Paul's character was not comfortable touching his wife because on earth he is a machine. He probably has similar views to the people who killed his partner's family. That it is not natural and not him. He doesn't want to risk his wife's soul. There are hints that he was closer to her when he was on earth. Very good acting on Arron Paul's side.
such a good point. she even says when david was in cliff’s body, that it was like having the old cliff again. so before the mission cliff was more than likely very affectionate to his family. but i didnt even think about the fact that he wouldnt feel comfortable as a machine because i even thought that while watching it.
@@mohpisekbecause he wants his family to survive and he’s been conditioned by the preexisting societal structure that agriculture needs to find a way in space for survival for some reason in that universe
@btnhstillfire i called it early, but didnt settle on that happening till it happened. Felt like quite a few other things could've happened along the way. Amazing acting though all around.
I feel like Aaron Paul’s character would have to deal with the legal implications almost immediately since it would look like he killed his own family… Also he wouldn’t come to understand the other guy he would just wait until the mission was over to get justice… they didn’t experience the same thing… one dude had his family killed by psycho strangers while the other gets his family killed by his trusted partner who he shared his replica with…
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Cliff is using the replica as a tool like his other tools on the ship, but David uses it as an extension of himself for his emotions to flow through like a paint brush.
Damn, Aaron Paul being able to switch between two distinct characters and making it visible through the different emotions and body language really shows how versatile Aaron is as an actor.
I JUST finished watching the episode minutes ago and I’m SHOOK. I knew from the beginning that they’d use each other’s link. I thought it’d be by accident and they’d get stuck living each other’s lives. Then I thought the wife would fall for David and the son would expose an affair. Then finally I thought he was going to kill Cliff and steal his life. They. Got. Me. For all my theories, I didn’t see that coming. What an episode. Such a Bradbury nod. Absolute art. And, obviously, Aaron Paul is outstanding. The whole thing… wow…
4 years? Nah I would kill him and then off myself, do you think you could really control yourself for 4 years on a ship with someone who murdered your family?
Man fuck the missionm. I would have beaten that man to death as soon as I saw him. Dont care if its a 2 man mission. You'll have nothing left anyway, so just beat that guy to death and just wait for your own while floating in space.
maybe I'm just selfish but if I was Cliff, there's simply no way I'm not attempting to kill David after that. The mission is over at that point, and my life doesn't matter anymore anyway
@@btnhstillfireLol Ep1 was funny not not the best are you kidding me. It was a little cringey in the beginning, had a hard time watching it. Ep2 is still the episode to beat!
One thing that stuck out. Hartnett come across as a sympathetic character (until the end). But never refers to his family as people. He says "I lost everything." He always refers to his family as objects.
Bruh I'm sure a lot of people have referred to their family or loved ones as "their everything" doesn't mean they are objectifying lol I think you're reading too much into it 😂
Naaah I don’t see it. A man who lost his family simply lost his way too. He saw the opportunity to feel something again and he took it. It’s sad not only for what he did, but because even when he was hitting on Lana he had not respect at all for his late wife.
i loved this episode 'cause it made you question yourself if you'd do that kindness for josh's character who was so broken--who you'd have to spend about 4 more years with. and i loved the lead to guessing he would just go apeshit and kill him. but then knowing that it's a 2-man ship and he needed him. and josh was calculated from the beginning with that drawing and he played with aaron's compassion. he didn't even insist. and it's even scarier that he took his family in the way we didn't initially think. it's much sicker.
I think that there were maybe two reasons why there couldn't be the robots in space instead of vice versa. 1) because if the robot breaks they can't be fixed when in space, but they can be fixed on earth (minor stuff, like an arm or leg not working). 2) Also when going into space he keeps removing all the metal stuff off him (watch, ring), so maybe a metal robot wasn't gonna work. And yeah the idea that they NEED for both of them working together in space is really nice. They need each other to survive, aka if one of them dies then so does the other, and their mission seems to go beyond everything else, even beyond murder.
Yeh the clones seem to have some difeculty doing basic tasks at first, so its better to have full function when your in that situation (Aaron pauls charcter said he was still getting used to his grip)
Has anyone asked why it had to be “alternate” 1969 instead of just the near future?. The technology they’re using is way ahead of where we are even now but the rest of it is still the 60s.
I love that you guys keep verbalizing everything that I thought while watching this the first time, you guys are truly in sync with how I feel when watching this.
The ending is so crazy. I was thinking the entire time he would kill Aaron Paul's character to steal his life but the thing both of them understand is that they cannot navigate the ship alone. This makes the ending ten times crazier. He cannot kill him because he has to continue the mission with him for four mor years
Fuck that he's overestimating Cliff's will to live and his restraint lol, it's one thing to think he'll stay for the mission but with the actual person that committed the murder of his family?! Ain't no way they're making it another month much less 4 years.
Josh Hartnett is a great actor who is not given enough credit. I also agree that some took unexpected and darker turns, but the cast delivered excellent performances nonetheless.
Not only is he so handsome, but the emotion he exudes in his facial expressions is so moving. The pain in his face when wakes up on the ship after his family was killed was gut wrenching. Then the evil look on his face when Aaron P. returns to the ship after his family was killed by Josh, was so upsetting. Both actors ... so Good.
Sad part is I feel like after David's family was murdered the mission and their lives were doomed either way cause either he was gonna go crazy in space and kill himself and therefore Cliff or he was gonna slowly seduce Lana and then try to kill Cliff, which is sad since they were so nice to give him the opportunity to experience earth again. Also imagine some other guy coming on to you in your husband's body that's messed up in so many ways but I'm glad she stood her ground said no and went out like a g. I was expecting David to tie up Cliff somehow and pretend to be him on earth and hold over him that if he didn't cooperate in space he'd kill his family. Wasn't expecting him to actually do it. imo that makes him worse than the cultist at the beginning, having experienced that pain and choosing to influct it on someone else...
the scene when the hippies attack their home is one of the most horrified I've felt watching something in a while. That was actually so hard for me to watch 😭
Everyone that watches this “Oh he’s stranding him in space. Wait he let him in?” “Oh he sabotaged the link system. Wait it still works?” “😳Holy crap there’s blood everywhere” lol
Looking at Josh Hartnett hurts my eyes because he’s so insanely good looking 😂 makes Aaron Paul look like a kid when they’re standing next to each other
The Loch Henry episode was my favourite of the season, but the ending to this one hit me the hardest for sure. Who doesn’t love seeing Josh Hartnett back up on their screen haha and Aaron Paul is just as great as I remember 🖤
Aaron Paul's performance is impeccable, but I feel like many people are skipping on Josh Harnett. His tragedy and acting started and set the tone for the rest of the episode. 🎉
But for me I was just wondering why they had no contingency plan at all for if one of the replicas gets messed up. They just had no backups / no other way to deal with the situation? I feel like the very smart people who set up this program had to consider the question "What happens if the replica gets messed up for some reason?"
If you ever watched the original Valley of the Dolls, you would see that the wife’s hairstyle is similar to Sharon Tate’s - who was a victim of the Manson Family hippie cult murders.
Aaron Paul was brilliant in this! The way his manners were so friendly and warm to the point of obsession as David, and the coldness and distant body language as Cliff...🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
I took it as Cliff is a lesser extreme of The Family at the beginning. They were extremist "Christians" who did not like the idea of a robot "walking the Earth". Cliff seems like a God fearing man (the prayer at the beginning) so he may feel it is wrong to use the replica as anything more than "an escape". Even Lana says she "misses the man he used to be" because they have been in space for 2 years. While he is on Earth, he is probably more loving and shows more affection with her but because it is his replica, he feels it is "immoral". (just my two cents)
I have to admit that I would find it difficult also to use a robotic body to pleasure my wife. like that isn't me. And my wife being aroused by the actions of a thing that isn't "Me" is an uncomfortable feeling. Another issue is that I'm not sure how "alive" the robo-body truly is either, he apparently doesn't get hungry, and the biochemistry of arousal might not be the same either so it might be a bit of an out of body experience, somewhat mechanical, unnatural even to do those things.
This episode took inspirations from both of these actors past roles(Pearl Harbor & Breaking Bad). Pearl Harbor had Josh Harnet's character taking his friends girl and in Breaking Bad Jesse witnessed his girl being murdered
The only problem with this concept is that to have robotic avatars that sophisticated it makes no sense that the humans are on the space station and the robots stay on earth it when it should be the other way around.
Ok. My post with the link to the article got taken down. (Fair, I guess). So I'll try this: The episode is all about her books. Mashable has an incredible article that will explain each of the four books and what they mean to the episode. Mind blowing. Go read it. You'll see the whole episode differently, especially if you've read the books.
I don't think they would have made it. They would either kill each other or one would have killed the other because neither of them had anything to live for now. And since the space station requires two, they're both done for... Also, others have mentioned it, why not send the duplicate into space and stay on earth as a human?
I thought this episode was going to be about identity issues from the beginning, David being a broken man, looking for shoes to fill. But the only available pair he has are someone else's, so eventually he becomes more like Cliff to actually live his life, convince the family he IS Cliff. However there was too many things preventing this, such as: 1. The wife skeptical of David. 2. David still needing Cliff for the mission. 3. David being too conceited of his ego, he would never spend his life living as someone else, despite any regrets he is a confident man. SPOILER: Besides, this episode shares a similar theme with the entirety of the season including much murder and all.
As I was watching this myself a couple days ago, I kept thinking OMG Greg & John are gonna flip on this part. And you did. Aaron Paul is amazing every part he has. This one no exception. Heart breaking in parts so hard to watch I openly cried. That was a Caulkin. Good acting there as well. You guys are the best. Love watching everything with you 💖✌️🎬
It would have never been a failure had the government actually kept a security detail with the family. I mean creating the replicas must have cost milllions. Would they still ignore that and let Hillbilly's come into his home and wreck them. Honestly, if the writer wanted to write off all of David's family, he could have used the earthquake or a storm as an excuse.
The cultist criminals, by wanting to fix something that didn't need any fixing, made it even worse, by completely destroying this fragile balance that was between the two guys... And the entire story up to the final events is basically an excuse to lead us to the ending with David killing Cliff's family in order to re-create the vital balance they had in the beginning (because Cliff plays it cocky with David, once him and his wife find an understanding and reconnect)... "Fun" fact, when you think that the duplicates/avatars could have been sent into space instead of their human counterparts, then this story would not even exist to begin with !
They did a really great job at recreating the 60s. Especially Kate Mara....she looked so 60s, 23:56 that weird kinda glow on the lighting really feels 60s.
Yeah I don’t buy that part of the episode. I wish they had him lose his mind a bit more because I just don’t believe he would do that after experiencing it himself. Nothing about him came across as violent
@@Luke101 I mean, he seemed so in love with his family, very intimate with his wife, it’s hard to believe he would fall for someone else so shortly after, but I guess they wanted to show the many layers of what trauma do to you. Could have build it up better.
The mission primarily is to see if the human body can survive the long journey of space travel, so it makes sense to leave the clone behind so the family doesn't feel the absence and also it gives the astronauts a break from their work too. It's a very interesting episode and honestly, this could have easily be a movie. They could begin with how they were selected, all the work that went into making the clones and even doing practice runs on Earth by having them isolate for a month to see how the mind and body get used to the Avatar type of mind melding.
I thought the ending was perfect. Nothing needed to be said, and now they're both stuck with each other in space and there's nothing Cliff can do about it. David snapped and wanted "revenge" for what he went through. Which makes it such a bleak and disturbing ending.
@@pnut3844ablei agree with you. I enjoyed that episode the least. The main character was so annoying to me. I just didn't like it. The first 3 I throughly enjoyed though.
There’s so many layers to this episode that I love but I think my favorite has to be how toxic masculinity plays into the ending. David and Cliff never discussing feelings. Cliff judging David for crying in front of Lana. Both of them having different views on manhood (and raising a man). David feeling like he’s owed Lana’s intimacy after everything he’s been through because he is a man. It really does a great job, and even though it takes place in the 60s, it’s still scarily relevant today. Straight chills at the ending too.
This was one of my fav episodes of the new season. But what lets it down is a question you raised right at the start. Why have humans in space with a robot avatar on Earth? It makes no sense.
Did no one else totally see that ending coming? As soon as Cliff punches David in the face David says something like 'I dont have anything, you have no idea what it's like to be me, you have everything and you don't even care'. Thats like movie 101 for your gonna go through what i went through. I still thought the episode was great. I just wished they didn't make the ending so obvious.
I’m pretty sure the reasoning for not having the robots in space is hinted at when he talks about how the human experience or life is vital to the mission when talking to those kids at the theatre. It’s likely to test humans during long space travel and robots wouldn’t help with that
I want to know what the authorities are going to do about aaron paul’s murdered family. Surely they will be able to tell it wasn’t aaron paul using the link
my first thought on this ep was, why not move the replica to the moon instead of the original body though? then said to myself, meh ill jst watch it anyway, guess it cnt be operated the otherway around.
The story was reminding me so much of Bradbury and right then Cliff picks up a paperback copy of The Illustrated Man! But, oh gosh, Imma feelin’ some dread comin’ on! I was 19 in ‘69 and remember the horror hearing about the Manson clan and the incomprehensible slaughter-it was hard to watch this almost recreation. PS nobody does bat shit crazy like a Culkin-love ‘em!
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So disturbing. Very sad, however, the end of this episode had me texting my son with a "WTF!!!" Aaron Paul and Josh Hartnett's acting was so damn good. The pain in Aaron's eyes when he returned to the ship after his family was murdered and the look on Josh Hartnett's face, with that slight, evil smirk just did me in. So Horrific. (I remember during a scene in the episode, Aaron was concerned with Josh's behavior after Josh's family was killed because the mission had several more years and had to be manned by both of them, so Aaron was afraid that Josh might harm himself and kill him too. However, after the initial shock and realization that Josh killed Aaron's family, when Aaron returned to the ship, I screamed, "Kill him!!!" However, if Aaron kills him, he dies too but WTH, how can he live with this man??!!) Like I said earlier, So Disturbing!!!
Did anyone notice the song La Mer is the same song used in Inception to recall memories of Mal?
There’s a great RUclips video with Booker, Mara and Hartnett discussing this episode. It answers a lot of questions posted here by folks who didn’t focus on the dialogue.
Everyone’s talking about it, but I have to agree; Aaron Paul’s acting is impeccable. Absolutely amazing.
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@@33-vertebraeNAH??? you kidding
@@33-vertebraeYah.
Early in the episode, Cliff said that both of them were needed for the space station to function. If he killed David, he'd be killing himself. I love the way it ended, leaving it open ended as to whether Cliff killed him or not.
You can tell by David's moves that he really is a con man. Seeing it the first time, with his wife, it gives the impression that they have a very passionate and loving relationship, but then using the same moves on Lana highlights how his behavior is more systematic - he expects a specific response to his moves. Don't believe me? If the dude can draw someone from memory, why does he insist on making his children pose?
No way you can control yourself for 4 years to someone who murdered your family😅
@@esleyb7968eah that was super unrealistic to me they made it seem like Cliff was mechanical but obviously not to the extent he didn't love his family. There's no way he's not gonna kill David
Wow I didn’t catch that part about the posing.
And he probably used the “linseed oil” as an excuse to get some alone time with Cliffs wife
@@esleyb7968 Said it many times neither would want to live after that so it made zero sense to continue on. Aaron Paul would of murdered him immediately.
They really went from making you feel complete sympathy for a character to completely despising them in less than 90 minutes 👏
and the complete reverse for the other! this is the best episode of the season!
agreed.
I've been watching a few of these reactions, and no one brings up that Aaron Paul's character was not comfortable touching his wife because on earth he is a machine. He probably has similar views to the people who killed his partner's family. That it is not natural and not him. He doesn't want to risk his wife's soul. There are hints that he was closer to her when he was on earth. Very good acting on Arron Paul's side.
very good theory my friend
Great point, hadn't thought of this. Puts his move to the countryside into a new perspective
such a good point. she even says when david was in cliff’s body, that it was like having the old cliff again. so before the mission cliff was more than likely very affectionate to his family. but i didnt even think about the fact that he wouldnt feel comfortable as a machine because i even thought that while watching it.
Why would he agree to go on this space mission, or even to have a replica if that was the case?
@@mohpisekbecause he wants his family to survive and he’s been conditioned by the preexisting societal structure that agriculture needs to find a way in space for survival for some reason in that universe
'Is that a Culkin' was PERFECTLY synced 😂
They're showing upeverywhere lately lol, the culkin virus
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The scene with Aaron Paul crying by the tree ripped my heart out, absolutely incredible actor
Aaron Paul's acting was so believable, my eyes burned with tears.
The acting in this episode was top notch definitely my favourite of the new season I think
You can always trust Aaron Paul to leave a great performance
@@LuzPanorama16 true I think this is one of his best performances
Yes. So many heartbreaking moments. I’m still not ok ❤️🩹
Cant top the 1st episode…
@@btnhstillfire Joan is awful was very good and a mindfuck for sure but I prefer beyond the sea overall and second I’d say loch Henry
This episode was so disturbing on so many levels. Loved it though. Just sad the existence that has to play out in the end in space for both.
I called it from the beginning lol. Pretty easy to tell whats going to happen.
@btnhstillfire i called it early, but didnt settle on that happening till it happened. Felt like quite a few other things could've happened along the way.
Amazing acting though all around.
I assumed he was just gonna kill him and take over his body.
This is probably the most disturbing one to me because of the subject matter.
I feel like Aaron Paul’s character would have to deal with the legal implications almost immediately since it would look like he killed his own family…
Also he wouldn’t come to understand the other guy he would just wait until the mission was over to get justice… they didn’t experience the same thing…
one dude had his family killed by psycho strangers while the other gets his family killed by his trusted partner who he shared his replica with…
It's been mentioned elsewhere that Cliff is using the replica as a tool like his other tools on the ship, but David uses it as an extension of himself for his emotions to flow through like a paint brush.
What a line, "You wear my husband like a suit". Amazing
Yes, I thought that was a great line too.
Agree!
Damn, Aaron Paul being able to switch between two distinct characters and making it visible through the different emotions and body language really shows how versatile Aaron is as an actor.
Aaron is soooo incredibly gifted as an actor. You truly FEEL his performance. And so happy to see Josh!!
I JUST finished watching the episode minutes ago and I’m SHOOK.
I knew from the beginning that they’d use each other’s link. I thought it’d be by accident and they’d get stuck living each other’s lives.
Then I thought the wife would fall for David and the son would expose an affair.
Then finally I thought he was going to kill Cliff and steal his life.
They. Got. Me. For all my theories, I didn’t see that coming. What an episode. Such a Bradbury nod. Absolute art.
And, obviously, Aaron Paul is outstanding. The whole thing… wow…
the fact that they're gonna be together alone in the space for 4 more years. insane, i could never
4 years? Nah I would kill him and then off myself, do you think you could really control yourself for 4 years on a ship with someone who murdered your family?
Man fuck the missionm. I would have beaten that man to death as soon as I saw him.
Dont care if its a 2 man mission. You'll have nothing left anyway, so just beat that guy to death and just wait for your own while floating in space.
maybe I'm just selfish but if I was Cliff, there's simply no way I'm not attempting to kill David after that. The mission is over at that point, and my life doesn't matter anymore anyway
@@australianwi-fi understandable decision, however it's two-man mission it depends on both of them
@@yuliant.h Yea that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't give a shit about the mission, I'd simply want to kill David. The mission is over at that point.
Best episode of this season. I wanted to rip my heart out by the end. Nothing can put my anger into words for this one.
Second best. Its not touching episode 1. That was a GOAT episode.
@@btnhstillfirepisode 1 was fire 😂 I mean it had Selma Fucking Hayek lol
Cough cough… Demon 79…
@@btnhstillfireLol Ep1 was funny not not the best are you kidding me. It was a little cringey in the beginning, had a hard time watching it. Ep2 is still the episode to beat!
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One thing that stuck out. Hartnett come across as a sympathetic character (until the end). But never refers to his family as people. He says "I lost everything." He always refers to his family as objects.
You can tell he only sees others as objects from how he speaks to his daughter in the very first scene. She’s just meant to be something he can draw.
Bruh I'm sure a lot of people have referred to their family or loved ones as "their everything" doesn't mean they are objectifying lol I think you're reading too much into it 😂
@@lululenoxt's an interesting juxtoposition actually. I would say that theory has bearing to Josh Hartnett's character.
Naaah I don’t see it. A man who lost his family simply lost his way too. He saw the opportunity to feel something again and he took it. It’s sad not only for what he did, but because even when he was hitting on Lana he had not respect at all for his late wife.
Wow I never realize that
rory culkin as the cult leader is underrated. he was creepy af
@05:18 I loved the double "Is that a Culkin?"
i loved this episode 'cause it made you question yourself if you'd do that kindness for josh's character who was so broken--who you'd have to spend about 4 more years with. and i loved the lead to guessing he would just go apeshit and kill him. but then knowing that it's a 2-man ship and he needed him. and josh was calculated from the beginning with that drawing and he played with aaron's compassion. he didn't even insist. and it's even scarier that he took his family in the way we didn't initially think. it's much sicker.
This was one of my favorite episodes of this season.
I think that there were maybe two reasons why there couldn't be the robots in space instead of vice versa. 1) because if the robot breaks they can't be fixed when in space, but they can be fixed on earth (minor stuff, like an arm or leg not working). 2) Also when going into space he keeps removing all the metal stuff off him (watch, ring), so maybe a metal robot wasn't gonna work.
And yeah the idea that they NEED for both of them working together in space is really nice. They need each other to survive, aka if one of them dies then so does the other, and their mission seems to go beyond everything else, even beyond murder.
Love this! I think you're very correct
Yeh the clones seem to have some difeculty doing basic tasks at first, so its better to have full function when your in that situation (Aaron pauls charcter said he was still getting used to his grip)
David literally said the reason at 1:40
@@Frostgasm yoooo did not catch that, cuz that was when i was still going "wtf is going on" stage of the episode haha
Has anyone asked why it had to be “alternate” 1969 instead of just the near future?. The technology they’re using is way ahead of where we are even now but the rest of it is still the 60s.
You get Aaron Paul in anything, you better get him crying! Best crier in the business, lol.
I love that you guys keep verbalizing everything that I thought while watching this the first time, you guys are truly in sync with how I feel when watching this.
“Daddy needs his barn time” I almost spit out my drink 😂
The ending is so crazy. I was thinking the entire time he would kill Aaron Paul's character to steal his life but the thing both of them understand is that they cannot navigate the ship alone. This makes the ending ten times crazier. He cannot kill him because he has to continue the mission with him for four mor years
Fuck that he's overestimating Cliff's will to live and his restraint lol, it's one thing to think he'll stay for the mission but with the actual person that committed the murder of his family?! Ain't no way they're making it another month much less 4 years.
Yeah I think it’s a stupid ending for the reasons you stated.
Josh Hartnett is a great actor who is not given enough credit. I also agree that some took unexpected and darker turns, but the cast delivered excellent performances nonetheless.
he was insanely good in 30 days of night
Not only is he so handsome, but the emotion he exudes in his facial expressions is so moving. The pain in his face when wakes up on the ship after his family was killed was gut wrenching. Then the evil look on his face when Aaron P. returns to the ship after his family was killed by Josh, was so upsetting. Both actors ... so Good.
Sad part is I feel like after David's family was murdered the mission and their lives were doomed either way cause either he was gonna go crazy in space and kill himself and therefore Cliff or he was gonna slowly seduce Lana and then try to kill Cliff, which is sad since they were so nice to give him the opportunity to experience earth again. Also imagine some other guy coming on to you in your husband's body that's messed up in so many ways but I'm glad she stood her ground said no and went out like a g. I was expecting David to tie up Cliff somehow and pretend to be him on earth and hold over him that if he didn't cooperate in space he'd kill his family. Wasn't expecting him to actually do it. imo that makes him worse than the cultist at the beginning, having experienced that pain and choosing to influct it on someone else...
Agree with you. Which comes to show that anyone has a propensity for darkness when pushed to the extreme.
the scene when the hippies attack their home is one of the most horrified I've felt watching something in a while. That was actually so hard for me to watch 😭
ME TOO. couldn’t even look at the screen because it was too disturbing
Too similar to the Charlie Manson serial killing. It's so disturbing!
@@Langley_Ackerman19 Yeah I immediately thought of Sharon Tate when I saw the van parked out there and because of her blonde hair
Horrific, barely could watch the scene. Those poor kids 😢
Everyone’s acting was great but Aaron Paul proved again that he’s a titan of acting. His performance is so damn good.
Everyone that watches this “Oh he’s stranding him in space. Wait he let him in?” “Oh he sabotaged the link system. Wait it still works?” “😳Holy crap there’s blood everywhere” lol
This was my favourite episode of the season, I was the most enamoured by this simple yet complicated story. Imma go binge Breaking Bad now LOL
Looking at Josh Hartnett hurts my eyes because he’s so insanely good looking 😂 makes Aaron Paul look like a kid when they’re standing next to each other
as he gets older he kinda reminds me of Timothy Olyphant a little bit
Or Brad Pitt too. So good looking which makes it all the more sinister that he did what he did.
Ever since Penny Dreadful I've been excited to see any new projects Josh Hartnett is in. I was excited to see him in this episode!
this is one of the best episodes ever
I watched the episode today, this was so heartbreaking man, Acting was top class
The Loch Henry episode was my favourite of the season, but the ending to this one hit me the hardest for sure. Who doesn’t love seeing Josh Hartnett back up on their screen haha and Aaron Paul is just as great as I remember 🖤
Agree with you 100%! This season is great. Season 5 just put me off altogether. 🤮🤮🤮
"Join me in Hell!" feels like what he said when he kicked the chair at the end
Kate mara acted her ass off this episode
Underrated actress
@@ThomasMees totally agree. Wish she got bigger roles
she was great in the first season of American horror story she should come back!
Aaron Paul's performance is impeccable, but I feel like many people are skipping on Josh Harnett. His tragedy and acting started and set the tone for the rest of the episode. 🎉
He can’t kill him , they need two people for the mission, It’s really messed up ohh so good
Came here to say this! Brilliant story.
But for me I was just wondering why they had no contingency plan at all for if one of the replicas gets messed up. They just had no backups / no other way to deal with the situation? I feel like the very smart people who set up this program had to consider the question "What happens if the replica gets messed up for some reason?"
@@jamesliggins891it’s a series bro don’t have to dig that deep
@@Bilkeo2805 you don't, but that's just me. it's what i think about when i'm watching shows.
@@jamesliggins891 me too
If you ever watched the original Valley of the Dolls, you would see that the wife’s hairstyle is similar to Sharon Tate’s - who was a victim of the Manson Family hippie cult murders.
IDK what is more scary. In space alone or in space with the only person who can help you get home but they want to kill you.
"This is gonna be terrible"....ha...made me chuckle in side eye fingers twiddling fashion knowing what was to come.
Aaron Paul was brilliant in this! The way his manners were so friendly and warm to the point of obsession as David, and the coldness and distant body language as Cliff...🤌🤌🤌🤌🤌
My favorite episode this season, just different levels of story telling, it was top notch!
Misery loves company
That final scene felt a little weird and lacking for me, but geez this one was depressing. It might’ve been worse not actually seeing the murder.
I took it as Cliff is a lesser extreme of The Family at the beginning. They were extremist "Christians" who did not like the idea of a robot "walking the Earth". Cliff seems like a God fearing man (the prayer at the beginning) so he may feel it is wrong to use the replica as anything more than "an escape". Even Lana says she "misses the man he used to be" because they have been in space for 2 years. While he is on Earth, he is probably more loving and shows more affection with her but because it is his replica, he feels it is "immoral". (just my two cents)
I have to admit that I would find it difficult also to use a robotic body to pleasure my wife. like that isn't me. And my wife being aroused by the actions of a thing that isn't "Me" is an uncomfortable feeling.
Another issue is that I'm not sure how "alive" the robo-body truly is either, he apparently doesn't get hungry, and the biochemistry of arousal might not be the same either so it might be a bit of an out of body experience, somewhat mechanical, unnatural even to do those things.
This episode took inspirations from both of these actors past roles(Pearl Harbor & Breaking Bad). Pearl Harbor had Josh Harnet's character taking his friends girl and in Breaking Bad Jesse witnessed his girl being murdered
Cool detail!😊
Great Reaction Greg and John, The acting in this episode was so great! 👍
Definitely my favorite episode from this season. The story telling is emotional and all three actors give a powerhouse performances
The only problem with this concept is that to have robotic avatars that sophisticated it makes no sense that the humans are on the space station and the robots stay on earth it when it should be the other way around.
Ok. My post with the link to the article got taken down. (Fair, I guess). So I'll try this:
The episode is all about her books. Mashable has an incredible article that will explain each of the four books and what they mean to the episode.
Mind blowing.
Go read it. You'll see the whole episode differently, especially if you've read the books.
My god that striped hoodie is everything
The entire cast of actors really knocked it out of the park this season
Aaron Paul’s performance in this episode man… My goodness that is ACTING
Been waiting for this one!
Josh Harnett though! Glad to see him back acting in mainstream shows and movies again.
He has been doing that for ages now, where you been??
I don't think they would have made it. They would either kill each other or one would have killed the other because neither of them had anything to live for now.
And since the space station requires two, they're both done for... Also, others have mentioned it, why not send the duplicate into space and stay on earth as a human?
Bros you guys your commentary just nailed it. Nailed it. Bravo
I thought this episode was going to be about identity issues from the beginning, David being a broken man, looking for shoes to fill. But the only available pair he has are someone else's, so eventually he becomes more like Cliff to actually live his life, convince the family he IS Cliff.
However there was too many things preventing this, such as:
1. The wife skeptical of David.
2. David still needing Cliff for the mission.
3. David being too conceited of his ego, he would never spend his life living as someone else, despite any regrets he is a confident man.
SPOILER:
Besides, this episode shares a similar theme with the entirety of the season including much murder and all.
“This is going to be terrible” 😂 9:43
While this one was relatively predictable, the acting was great. Heartfelt, heartbreaking and heartwrenching.
As I was watching this myself a couple days ago, I kept thinking OMG Greg & John are gonna flip on this part. And you did. Aaron Paul is amazing every part he has. This one no exception. Heart breaking in parts so hard to watch I openly cried. That was a Caulkin. Good acting there as well. You guys are the best. Love watching everything with you 💖✌️🎬
Culkin
Aaron Paul is so underrated, he was the only reason I sat through the whole third season of the West World.
And then they both fell in love. The end
3:53 You heard it too right!! That had to be intentional.... nice call back to Josh's involvement in H20.
I like the use of the books to convey somewhat what's gonna happen in the story
"He had and Artist Eye" If he really drew from memory he wouldn't gotten upset when the daughter moved while he was sketching
I gotta say it; the mission is a failure at this point!
Fr just murder that dude. f the mission what’s the point anymore
It would have never been a failure had the government actually kept a security detail with the family. I mean creating the replicas must have cost milllions. Would they still ignore that and let Hillbilly's come into his home and wreck them. Honestly, if the writer wanted to write off all of David's family, he could have used the earthquake or a storm as an excuse.
@@crimsonghoul8983no one anticipated a crazed, Manson-like group slaughtering the family. Astronauts don't have security detail.
The cultist criminals, by wanting to fix something that didn't need any fixing, made it even worse, by completely destroying this fragile balance that was between the two guys... And the entire story up to the final events is basically an excuse to lead us to the ending with David killing Cliff's family in order to re-create the vital balance they had in the beginning (because Cliff plays it cocky with David, once him and his wife find an understanding and reconnect)... "Fun" fact, when you think that the duplicates/avatars could have been sent into space instead of their human counterparts, then this story would not even exist to begin with !
In the script. Explained why.
They did a really great job at recreating the 60s. Especially Kate Mara....she looked so 60s, 23:56 that weird kinda glow on the lighting really feels 60s.
To think David’s family has been brutalized in front of his eyes and then he did the same to another family in mind boggling to me.
Yeah I don’t buy that part of the episode. I wish they had him lose his mind a bit more because I just don’t believe he would do that after experiencing it himself. Nothing about him came across as violent
@@Luke101 I mean, he seemed so in love with his family, very intimate with his wife, it’s hard to believe he would fall for someone else so shortly after, but I guess they wanted to show the many layers of what trauma do to you. Could have build it up better.
The mission primarily is to see if the human body can survive the long journey of space travel, so it makes sense to leave the clone behind so the family doesn't feel the absence and also it gives the astronauts a break from their work too. It's a very interesting episode and honestly, this could have easily be a movie.
They could begin with how they were selected, all the work that went into making the clones and even doing practice runs on Earth by having them isolate for a month to see how the mind and body get used to the Avatar type of mind melding.
Thanks for pointing out why robots aren’t used for the mission.
One of my favorite episodes of the show
Oh I was waiting for this review. As a parent, this one was horrifying.
I read Josh Hartnet had a hard time with the scene as he was thinking of his own kids.
Aaron Paul’s acting carries anything he’s in best episode of the season without a doubt
Aaron Paul is an absolute powerhouse actor. What a showcase of his talent outside of Breaking Bad
Literally as soon as Cliff is seen chopping wood it became Chekhov's Ax and I knew “he’d” kill
s o m e o n e with it…
I thought the ending was perfect. Nothing needed to be said, and now they're both stuck with each other in space and there's nothing Cliff can do about it. David snapped and wanted "revenge" for what he went through. Which makes it such a bleak and disturbing ending.
Lol wen they was touching in the car we all had the same gittery reaction I had to pause real quick to let the feel’s out
Waiting eagerly for you guys to watch Demon 79 (last episode).That was amazing !!!!!
Eh.
@@pnut3844able Eh what? That was a great episode! These two episodes are probably my favorite of the season.
@@jamesliggins891 it was just... boring.
@@pnut3844able i don't really find demons and murder and descent into madness boring, but hey...to each their own!
@@pnut3844ablei agree with you. I enjoyed that episode the least. The main character was so annoying to me. I just didn't like it. The first 3 I throughly enjoyed though.
The moment the light turned green I knew exactly what he did. Something that should have signaled relief instead signaled horror.
This episode was PEAK SCI FI
There’s so many layers to this episode that I love but I think my favorite has to be how toxic masculinity plays into the ending. David and Cliff never discussing feelings. Cliff judging David for crying in front of Lana. Both of them having different views on manhood (and raising a man). David feeling like he’s owed Lana’s intimacy after everything he’s been through because he is a man. It really does a great job, and even though it takes place in the 60s, it’s still scarily relevant today. Straight chills at the ending too.
My favourite episode so far. Acting was stellar.
This was one of my fav episodes of the new season. But what lets it down is a question you raised right at the start. Why have humans in space with a robot avatar on Earth? It makes no sense.
This was my favorite episode of season 6 thanks Greg and john
God damn we love Aaron Paul
Did no one else totally see that ending coming?
As soon as Cliff punches David in the face David says something like 'I dont have anything, you have no idea what it's like to be me, you have everything and you don't even care'.
Thats like movie 101 for your gonna go through what i went through.
I still thought the episode was great. I just wished they didn't make the ending so obvious.
I just thought he would kill Cliff instead and take over his life.
"Weak in space, monster on earth" that really stuck with me and it embodied the ep so perfectly.
I really love the idea of a planet earth that hasn't experience the World War 2
I swear Aaron Paul always being betrayed by his partner💀
Shit now that you mention it… Bojack Horseman, Walter White, and now this.
Dude needs better relationships
I’m pretty sure the reasoning for not having the robots in space is hinted at when he talks about how the human experience or life is vital to the mission when talking to those kids at the theatre. It’s likely to test humans during long space travel and robots wouldn’t help with that
Bingo!😊
Hilarious that you guys didn’t get what he did at the end there lol. I knew the second the dog tag wasn’t there. 😅
I want to know what the authorities are going to do about aaron paul’s murdered family. Surely they will be able to tell it wasn’t aaron paul using the link
my first thought on this ep was, why not move the replica to the moon instead of the original body though?
then said to myself, meh ill jst watch it anyway, guess it cnt be operated the otherway around.
The story was reminding me so much of Bradbury and right then Cliff picks up a paperback copy of The Illustrated Man! But, oh gosh, Imma feelin’ some dread comin’ on! I was 19 in ‘69 and remember the horror hearing about the Manson clan and the incomprehensible slaughter-it was hard to watch this almost recreation. PS nobody does bat shit crazy like a Culkin-love ‘em!
My favorite season of the season! Fvcking disturbing and heartbreaking 😭