THE KONVO SHOW WITH ZWAI BALA 00:00 - INTRO 02:15 - Experience at Drakensburg School & Choir 15:35 - Does government invest enough in arts 18:54 - Importance of investing in our craft 24:25 - Thoughts on race & racism in SA 26:45 - The ‘Coloured’ term 30:00 - Colonialism & propaganda 33:35 - Letting go of stigma 38:10 - What led to leaving Christianity 44:20 - Why were you willing to start the journey 46:05 - Questioning religion 50:15 - Overcoming the anger phase 52:50 - The process of looking for a new home 58:05 - Do you hold African beliefs to the Christianity standard 1:00:50 - Do you question African practices 1:03:16 - Dealing with outcomes of one’s decisions 1:07:55 - Forced religion & cultural practices 1:13:55 - Will we ever get comfortable with truth 1:21:15 - Is peace more important than truth 1:24:50 - Would you go back to the church 1:27:30 - Are you Pro-Black 1:30:05 - Understanding the value of access 1:34:40 - Appreciating our lived experiences 1:38:50 - Closing comments 1:43:34 - ENDS Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu IG: kzndlovu Tt: khwezindlovu
Last Dec, Zwai was coming out a door of a hotel I was walking in. And he passed me like he knew me not. And truth! He knows not of me! Or knows not how I love him and how in have been lnspired by him for years. And how just seeing him at that moment was heaven in itself to me. But he just passed off without even a look my side. I know I should have said hi! Infact I did but it was every low and maybe only I could hear it...but I am not angry! I know him and he hasn't meet me...
Used to question this Jesus and i can say i was an atheist , but in 2009 he moved on my by the Holy Spirit. He took away the epilepsy out of my body and his power was above any other power i have ever experienced. I dont even think he exist cos i know he exist.
A very familiar journey these gentleman are going through. When I got fed up with religion I went on a very rebellious phase questioning and blaspheming everything about God. It continued for 10 years and in my case I couldn't identify myself with any religion as none of the religions on earth could answer the questions I had about life and what it means, not even "African spirituality" so I went with atheism, which is really nothing more than convincing yourself that God doesn't exist. So I became at "peace" for a short time but the questions about life kept lingering, I then dabbled in philosophy and it seemed I've found the holy grail, or so I thought. I personally like it when people go through this phase and I believe God doesn't get angry at people for asking questions. God is not man that he should be sensitive. He is Love! And I pray that you live to experience his amazing grace. Parting shot; all the answers are in Christ Jesus but you don't need me to tell you that, he, Jesus is very much alive and he will reveal all in your lives in due time. Keep questioning religion and expose every lie God bless!
See, I like this comment, because it comes from a person who went through the journey. I feel like the journey of Christianity makes even more sense after you had questions, found answers and still returned to God, even for those who chose not to go back to christianity, it is okay, let the journey not be because of what parents taught us
All we can do is to pray for you'll. God is good and compassionate. The fact that you guys are still alive and enjoying His blessings and protection while you go around blaspheming is a testimony of His mercy and long suffering. God is not human therefore do not reduce Him to your finite minds. The fact that some will be lost even though we love them is a devastating reality we have to live with. Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus just to take Him at His word.
Spot on, I love this comment.What I love the most about The Lord Jesus is that even after this mockery, He still has His arms wide open saying "come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, I will give you rest". The God we serve is full of grace and mercy when we repent from foolery.
There's actually truth within the church. Tragically, the church as a whole isn't preaching this truth. Infact , the truth itself is in the Bible. It's laid bare there.
@@jobesithole5590the truth is in reality, which is what we are all living. Once you see life, nature and the universe for what they truly are that's when you know the truth. The bible is simply man made mythology used to control the masses
@@jobesithole5590 - The church has been hijacked by unscrpulous people who use it for survival,they realised how gulljable people are and they intebtionally exploit that,hence when you smart people hate U,when U question things people hate U in their majority,fact is some dont even know why they hate U,they have been conditioned to hate U! Fear is the main reason for this mnipulation to exist with inpunity.
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."
Bro, that intro question to get him to talk about his beginnings without asking him “so where did it all start” was genius. It has officially been stolen.
Coffee Bay is one of the best hidden gems in Africa! I have worked and travelled 17countries later…Coffee Bay remain my favourite destination. I go alone and with my family annually! The best….coffee shack is amazing for accommodation…can’t wait for December 👌🏽
Thank you abuti Pen le Ntate Bala. It is difficult to let go, I've never identified as Christian but it's hard not to have a crutch. There's no devil creeping in, it's accountability through and through. I enjoyed this Konvo.
My husband And I recently left christainity after being church leaders and preachers for years we had so many questions and started doing a lot of research only to find that we have been lied too . We really can't believe we were so foolish to believe in this crap! Now we have the task of taking out Jesus and the fear of hell kubantwana bethu .
I'm so curious to hear what made you both decide to leave the Christian faith, while 'mna' I decided to stay? Even so, my interest in staying in this form of faith is constantly growing. I'm also in leadership at church but unlike many folks I'm not obsessed by that, instead, I careful observe the fundementals and the dynamics surrounding this religious path. I do care to hear one or 2 items that you questioned apart from the obvious that generally unbelievers pose.
@@Sbo-09 Adam listened to the voice of his wife and ate. Abraham listened to the voice of his wife and slept with Hagar. I can assure you that you won't get response with substance from your question. What I can assure you is that someone misled the other.
As a Christian, I agree that religion tends to discourage or be against genuine tough questions. But genuine questions/inquiry are part of the human experience. Any human system must be open to genuine questions if it may be accepted.
@@Onelove-Oneheart-h4c Religion is how spiritual systems are institutionalized. Christianity is a religion through the institutional forms that embody it. That's why the Catholic church looks and feels very different to the Evangelical Church. The bible is the same, but the institutions are very different.
@@lengaumosotho it is still a religion and there is nothing wrong with that. Every spiritual system is a religion. The etymology of the word religion is to bind the same idea as the word yoke, from which we also get the word yoga. Religion is binding, uniting heaven with earth or the spiritual with the physical
It just sound nice but the truth is there’s many people who have suffered more than Jesus. we like to romanticise our collective pain as blacks when in reality almost every group of people have suffered just as much as us.
Zwai is one guy that has been misunderstood. Once you go on a journey of self discovery you make enemies along the way bcz you bring information that most people are ready for it.
I've always questioned that statement it never really made sense to me. For instance, Jesus died on the cross for us erased all our sins the jeki jeki we sinners from birth yoh 😅
@@CommodoreBokuwskie 😂😂😂😂 It’s just the same old nonsense repeated over and over. If you pay attention, growing up, every household-whether in the villages or townships-had that pale white image, supposedly of Jesus. By the way, that wasn’t Jesus, but rather a concept of Zeus, also known as ‘hail Zeus,’ a demigod from Greek mythology. This image of jesus was of a fellow called Cesare Borgia it was hung in every home, alongside that Passover scene-another piece of whitewashed Christian rhetoric. The aim was clear: to tell young, impressionable minds that white people are their saviors. And the sad part? In Africa, this belief has become so ingrained that many would go as far as to attack or even kill you for questioning it. I’m actually starting a RUclips channel to dive deep into our history-there’s so much we’ve been kept in the dark about. For instance, the god of Genesis is said to have lived in Abzu, which is now South Africa. You can even visit the site today, though, unsurprisingly, it’s run by a white man. Women who visit Adam’s Calendar have reported experiencing labor pains. Humans were lab engineered this story is orally known by our peopple Tatu Credo Muthwa was not smoking when he talked of Chitawuri. Chritianity are in actual fact worshiping Satan or known as Saton in Mesopotamia, to this channel i'll take and link the Bantu to Israel using a specific e1b1a haplogroup map which all so called Bantu has in them, you are Natufians before you were call all sort of crap as their place. If people took the time to really research their religions, they’d be shocked and hurt by what they’d find. The story of God and Satan? It’s the tale of two brothers-members of a Type II civilization that came from another constellation. There’s plenty of evidence for those willing to seek the truth.
I can relate hundred percent with the conversation you are having as far as religion is concerned, after having left Christianity I found a home in Islam I don't see myself leaving, I am also exploring more of my Xhosa heritage, intending to speak more Xhosa over the years. I look forward to having Penuel invite a Black South African Muslim on the podcast, one who is well versed in Islam to be able to articulate eloquently the idea and concept of God in Islam and how we fit in as Black Africans, especially Black South Africans in that belief system.
Before religion was imposed upon humanity we were aware that we are spirit with a physical experience.We have always been and always will be.To go from one religion to another is just going from one prison to another.
People need to understand that you can't have answers without questions. Mr Zwai is on the right track; he is questioning how people view the contents of the Bible and how that pov does not align with his reality. It is fair even in the eyes of God. I hope he finds the answers to his questions and when he does he's going to be pleased to find that the truth lies in HIM.
Did make up on Zwai he spoke about music and spirituality during that interview...and it flip my life on its exis....i have been hoping he sits down with Pen...this is a dream for me❤❤❤❤❤
I just wanna commend Pen for saying for saying "Go and find the things you've been going easily and naturally from a Young and try get on the biggest Platforms", the gift that we are all born with that we don't give time to nature and explore. I'm on that journey right now, and it may look minimal to some... but to me, its where my Joy is and I believe that's where ones purpose resides. Great Convo🔥🙏🏽
Great Konvo..It realy is a 'difficult' journey finding ones self outside the indoctrination of christianity..You find your self in difficult situations and you find yourself humming a church song lol then you start question your journey. its also quite challenging when raising your views or question1ng things in family who are stonj christians...eziWesile sikhule kuzo dammaged us!
"There are many black people that have got through way worse than what Jesus did..... and that was for us". I rest my case with this quote. The truth in this is sickening. The journey of seeking the truth is lonely and depressing. And worst part is you can't go back and unlearn everything.
Nice one! 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾 I enjoyed watching this podcast on #ZwaiBala and getting to know the other side of him besides music and hear his views on religion, spiritually and African family traditions. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 - RB with love from #Botswana 🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼
The Bible has created more "atheist" than anything... I myself was once a student of Christ, preached the word of God in Clinics,Trains and public spaces. We were given scripts and summaries to read and preach to the people. When I was in Grade 12, 2007, myself and 2 friends decided to read the Bible from start to finish without the supervision of Church Elders... Man, what followed after was nothing but total freedom, my questions led me to be removed as Church Youth Leader, and ultimately kicked out of church... Now, I believe God is Me, You and ALL Being.
1:21:06... Do you think peace is better than truth? Lovely question! My two bob: When you know indulge in "the truth", you first judge those that have not consumed "the truths" you have consumed and with a tiny bit of wisdom you realize peace is far more important than being right. You now empathize with those that haven't picked up the books, those who haven't been curious enough and you realize we all are different and similar some ways because of the information and experiences we have had. So is peace better than truth? For me peace trumps all things!
I also value peace above truth. The thing is you cannot drag anyone to come to terms with truth until that is revealed to them when they are ready. Then it's at the right time and hits harder. Once truth settles, there is bound to be a 360 degree turn-around. Peace and Love are tops for me..then truth follows. Love and light beautiful souls
This conversation with Zwai Bala about some of the battles that you experience with being forced to believe in religion from childhood. That it limits you f4om being open minded and also being curious into studying yourself with applying your curiosity into different topics that tackle your understanding finding yourself.
No man can ever endure what Jesus did on the cross,only God himself had to die for the sins of man.The blood of an innocent man,for us to have eternal life and have power over sin.God is empathetic to the struggles of people hence his word gives hope in the midst of suffering.
No man can ever endure that? Thes people in japan who survived a nuclear bomb. Men and woman who survived multiple rapes, stabbings, shot multiple times, kids who have been starved to almost death, people who have had limbs cut off in war, terrorism etc people who have been tortured for their beliefs and their people, concentration camps... a lot of these people were innocent and probably undeserving of that
That hope they were given is not even comparable to what they endured, they can't even feel consolation because they going through worse and it's not even for the sin of the entire humanity...that is hell...they won't be remembered. Their sacrifice isn't even as important... how is that hope
Damn!!!! I don't regret ever watching this episode. It is meatful, meatiness. Yazi bra Pen nami ngaqala ukuphambana ne Bible after reading the whole Bible from Genesis 1 to the last chapter yesambulo, then started having a lot of unanswered questions.
I'm busy reading the Bible (started in July) and it's been rough in places because I have questions. Some things makes sense but some things are just dribbling me
The bible and other religious texts alike, are a collection of methology from previous times. Such stories were never really meant to be taken literally as most believers do today. Those stories even predate the composition of the bible. It's such a shame how we have replaced knowledge, in favour of these texts which are more wisdom than knowledge. I laugh everytime when someone says the bible gives 'historical accounts'. It's all an allegory makholwa.
Brother Pen i really love the way you engage with your ppl bro the energy you give to the ppl to be so open and free to the platform its beautful man❤💯
Folks fear the biggest thing of letting go as they feel their reliogius affiliations is part of their identity. Which prohibits them from coming to learn and know who they really are outside of these things they adopt. I must confess that the brave are those who chose to go on the journey to the land of the unknown ie without religion but i must add its both scary yet beautiful. In that journey, there is a lot of un-learning and re-learning oneself from higher self. Im just happy to learn that the circle is bigger with more people coming or been awake! ❤️ 💡
Lord JESUS I need your strength. I’m struggling providing for my children. I’m so discouraged. As a single mom Lord Jesus I’m overwhelmed. I have two beautiful boys both are special needs. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets. Lord grant me strength to provide for my sons. With you by my side Lord I know all is possible.
@@whatislove-ur8if 😂 Tell them. Jesus isn't for them, akamuva nokumuva. Izinto zakhe they are there by African spirituality. By amathonga akhe.. ubusy crying to a Jewish white man who's got no business helping her. Jesus has his own European people that he was sent to help and save, that's why they are flourishing because they are praying to their angel/ancestor not lost sheep praying to foreign ancestors. 💔
Hambo pahla mama.. your ancestors are there waiting to help you and give you answers to your cries. Yeka uJesu, he doesn't hear you because you're not connected to him in anyway. Not by ancestral lineage, genealogy, blood, race or DNA.. every race in the world has its own religion and yours is not that of Christianity, eyabelungu le. Go find yours as an African. I know Jesus is all you know but it's not your fault, I don't blame you...Christianity was injected into us by force and that's all we know but the truth is that it's not for us.. Black people did not suffer before colonialization. We had all our needs met.. we had our own way of life and our own God and spirituality. Go back to that. Camagu. uZimu akubusise 🙏🏽🕯❤
Christians are always catching strays!!! I still share and believe in some Christian teachings, but I also accept that it's not an immovable object! And not the only truth! God doesn't need the Bible to exist! Just because Zwai did not give you the pro Christian answers you want yall are questioning his intellect. It's a conversation with Zwai, meaning it's about him, his journey and his take on things. Accept it. He's not debating, his sharing his views, logic, and experiences!
The thing about South Africans, everyone can tell you in colourful terms about what's wrong but no one has ever put forward in detail what needs to be done. Penuel for instance, he never misses out on an opportunity of bashing black South Africans in particular and his answers to our problems is that we should all be Penuelists or follow some sort of dictatorship as it seems we are completely incapable of thinking for ourselves. My thing is, if you don't have solutions rather say nothing. If you think you are smart don't tell us you are smart, show us what you have done and we will be able to distill for ourselves whether you are wort following or not.
Oh this!!🙏🏽❤️ I was talking with my partner about this. It irks me how much people say stuff like “only if black people could….” 🙄 “oh black South African youth are lazy…” 🤮 We are thee most unequal country in world. If hard work paid off we wouldn’t have abo’Mama selling fruits ko strateng still. These people are in the public speaking business because they aren’t actively implementing their own solutions or ideas😅
In as much as we may not have the solutions now, we need these kind of platforms where issues that we face as a collective face can be talked about, rather than brushing them under the carpet with the hope that some saviour will miraculously come solve all our problems one day. Nobody knows everything in this life and obvious Pen will have some wishy washy ideologies here and there but let that not take away from the good work him and his team are doing to inspire dialogue and much need introspection within the community
@@nonodlamini Hmmm. Penuel is evidently doing a lot of good which is why I am here listening and grasping at every word him and his guests are saying (only on guests that are of interest to me of course). I am however also entitled to my own opinion. Open dialogue and looking for solutions is all good but while on that journey of discovery do not tear down existing structures of refuge unless you have a viable alternative. I have just never heard Penuel saying anything positive about black South Africans as much as he does white South Africans (to a point of joining Afriforum) as well as other African countries especially Nigerians whom he goes out of his way to research and find positive things to say about them. I understand he may be hoping for some reverse psychology in some instances. It would be great if he can mix it up a bit. We are aware of our shortcomings, hearing it all the time however doesn't really help.
As a Christian i can not denounce God no matter what.He has brought me to where I am today through prayer and his word.Iam not a theologin but i know what God did. My thing is this we all know about God and Jesus if its your choice if you dont follow him.God does not force you to follow him.He introduce himself through his children if you dont accept him its your choice.
Greetings to my fellow countrymen and women. I love this conversation. We need a balanced worldview discussion not just a one sided affair. I'd suggest to invite Christian apologists to give an accurate defense of the faith that I know most people don't know about.
I think faith and religion should be a personal journey and not to question or insight people to question themselves on their religious belief. I feel this is a good topic but very misleading to a very vulnerable society. We need to censor some things.... We all know this internet world we live in can begin some form of misleading revolution. This title as well seems like y'all have reached some form of conclusion. On the bright side I really enjoyed this episode. It actually fortified my faith in what I believe.
(Proverbs 19:3) as a loving faithful father Adonai gave us Dominion over the earth, we were given free will, We then made a mess of the entire world and now Blame God. In the absence of God there is Chaos!in households where the father figure is not there, there is Chaos!
😂This was fun and I see a lot of myself and journey replayed in this conversation. I sang for UJ Choir(I was with Sizwe, Renette, and Sabz yesterday), been with Quava for 6 years now and also once backed Zwai in one of his Bird Movie he was composing music for sicula abo 🗣️ "Ukuba sitsaniwe izintsana zalom'hlaba ewe siwelele, AAWOO, zintsana, zintsana za lomhlaba ezokude" 😂 fun times indeed😂🤣🤌🏾. Also yeah I remember seeing you in the audience Pen at that Weltevreden Church last year 😂🤙🏾
The difference between African spirituality and Chtistianity is that one has no problem with lust of the flesh and the other one ask you to fullfill the fruit of the spirit.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this conversation. I could chat about these topics until the sun comes out. Though my immediate family was religious, I’m glad that it was never forced on me, ngoba, from a young age I never liked the idea of church, I didn’t know why at the time kodwa I knew I had no business being there. I just felt out of place, even when I didn’t have the full understanding of the institution but deep down I knew that it wasn’t for. This conversation reminds me of my late dad, I loved how uTata’m navigated his spiritual journey, so ubhut’ Zwai in many ways kind of reminds me of him.
Would love to come on the show someday. At least to try and provide a Christian perspective on some the objections, and church councils. There's a particular branch of Christian theology that focuses on the comparative side of Christianity. It's not the work of a pastor or regular Christian. But hope it's OK if I do reaction video to this. But thanks for getting us to think and discuss these complex matters.
Would definitely love to see that. This idea of Christianity that they’re talking about is way different from what I practice. There are judgmental people who turn out to be Christian but that’s not what Christianity is.. what I practice is to be more like Jesus, to love people even those who don’t believe in Christ, just pray for their salvation. I’m never angry or look down on someone who isn’t a believer, all I can do is pray for them and keep planting seeds. It’s weird to see people be so angry at God for giving us free will. I’m glad they’re talking about this either way.
"Pray for their salvation" according to your believe and understanding which might not even be the correct one. That's where the problem is. Let people find God in their own way. Religion was drilled forcefully into Africans.
There's honestly no need for the Christian perspective. We were all raised in this cloud of Christianity. There is nothing new to discuss unless you've added books to the Bible. Siyekeni kancinci please. And i mean this in the most respectable tone possible. We are in great need of "new" perspectives from pre-christianity scrolls of wisdom. Also, while you're discussing Christianity, please also see the spread of Christianity and colonization/slavery across the world. It can not be a coincidence that both were spread the same time. Is there a link between the two?
@@Mthoberistosan yazi we can't comment anymore because there are always people waiting with red pens, ngizincomela uZwai for ukukhuluma kahle, i wasn't opening a discussion mara.
@@Mthoberistosan manje ke sekumele ngichaze ukuthi ngithini, next thing kuzothiwa manje why uncoma? ayi bandla. Angisenanhliziyo bandla, buka kwimanje sengiyachaza, iyona into ebengingayifuni😏.
@@Mthoberistosan and since you want to understand what I meant, I said uZwai sounds polished, that means his articulation is clean and clear, and apart from the fact that he sounds great, he is also awesome as a person! Now can we close this comment because I won't comment further.
Zwai is a wise thoughtful man. His displacement from Christian faith is unfortunate, same goes for Pen. The wisdom of man is clearly not the wisdom of God.
What fascinates me is the fact that he denounced Christianity. The question I’m left with is DO I KNOW GOD ENOUGH that really NOTHING CAN SEPARATE ME FROM HIS LOVE? That’s where their problem lies. May we know God enough!
I felt it when Pen said it seems some of us need to go on a journey away from our people only to come back and see the value of our people and to help. Thank you once again.
There's verse in Timothy 2 i think that's says " in the end times there will be ppl professing themselves to be wise,but they are actually dom" paraphrasing of course
THE KONVO SHOW WITH ZWAI BALA
00:00 - INTRO
02:15 - Experience at Drakensburg School & Choir
15:35 - Does government invest enough in arts
18:54 - Importance of investing in our craft
24:25 - Thoughts on race & racism in SA
26:45 - The ‘Coloured’ term
30:00 - Colonialism & propaganda
33:35 - Letting go of stigma
38:10 - What led to leaving Christianity
44:20 - Why were you willing to start the journey
46:05 - Questioning religion
50:15 - Overcoming the anger phase
52:50 - The process of looking for a new home
58:05 - Do you hold African beliefs to the Christianity standard
1:00:50 - Do you question African practices
1:03:16 - Dealing with outcomes of one’s decisions
1:07:55 - Forced religion & cultural practices
1:13:55 - Will we ever get comfortable with truth
1:21:15 - Is peace more important than truth
1:24:50 - Would you go back to the church
1:27:30 - Are you Pro-Black
1:30:05 - Understanding the value of access
1:34:40 - Appreciating our lived experiences
1:38:50 - Closing comments
1:43:34 - ENDS
Compiled by Khwezi Ndlovu
IG: kzndlovu
Tt: khwezindlovu
😂😂😂Baya ku Christianity ngoba befuna incebo, now they are running like headless chickens, next time uzothini useku Budist 😂😂😂😂
Naka izindaba zakho, uyeke ezabanye abanye abantu ezingakufuni💯.
@@godcetywayo3530 angikhulumi nawe, ungazongiphaphela swwayn
Last Dec, Zwai was coming out a door of a hotel I was walking in. And he passed me like he knew me not. And truth! He knows not of me! Or knows not how I love him and how in have been lnspired by him for years. And how just seeing him at that moment was heaven in itself to me. But he just passed off without even a look my side. I know I should have said hi! Infact I did but it was every low and maybe only I could hear it...but I am not angry! I know him and he hasn't meet me...
Used to question this Jesus and i can say i was an atheist , but in 2009 he moved on my by the Holy Spirit.
He took away the epilepsy out of my body and his power was above any other power i have ever experienced.
I dont even think he exist cos i know he exist.
A very familiar journey these gentleman are going through. When I got fed up with religion I went on a very rebellious phase questioning and blaspheming everything about God.
It continued for 10 years and in my case I couldn't identify myself with any religion as none of the religions on earth could answer the questions I had about life and what it means, not even "African spirituality" so I went with atheism, which is really nothing more than convincing yourself that God doesn't exist. So I became at "peace" for a short time but the questions about life kept lingering, I then dabbled in philosophy and it seemed I've found the holy grail, or so I thought.
I personally like it when people go through this phase and I believe God doesn't get angry at people for asking questions. God is not man that he should be sensitive. He is Love! And I pray that you live to experience his amazing grace.
Parting shot; all the answers are in Christ Jesus but you don't need me to tell you that, he, Jesus is very much alive and he will reveal all in your lives in due time.
Keep questioning religion and expose every lie
God bless!
See, I like this comment, because it comes from a person who went through the journey. I feel like the journey of Christianity makes even more sense after you had questions, found answers and still returned to God, even for those who chose not to go back to christianity, it is okay, let the journey not be because of what parents taught us
All we can do is to pray for you'll. God is good and compassionate. The fact that you guys are still alive and enjoying His blessings and protection while you go around blaspheming is a testimony of His mercy and long suffering. God is not human therefore do not reduce Him to your finite minds.
The fact that some will be lost even though we love them is a devastating reality we have to live with.
Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus just to take Him at His word.
Amen
Spot on, I love this comment.What I love the most about The Lord Jesus is that even after this mockery, He still has His arms wide open saying "come to me all who are weary and heavy laden, I will give you rest". The God we serve is full of grace and mercy when we repent from foolery.
U still die.get sick.suffer while believing in Jesus and God
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Second part is needed with Zwai, so enlightened, having been a Christian and leaving it, finding the truth outside the church.
There's actually truth within the church. Tragically, the church as a whole isn't preaching this truth.
Infact , the truth itself is in the Bible. It's laid bare there.
@@jobesithole5590the truth is in reality, which is what we are all living. Once you see life, nature and the universe for what they truly are that's when you know the truth. The bible is simply man made mythology used to control the masses
There's actually a number of us out here and I love to see this happening
@@jobesithole5590 - The church has been hijacked by unscrpulous people who use it for survival,they realised how gulljable people are and they intebtionally exploit that,hence when you smart people hate U,when U question things people hate U in their majority,fact is some dont even know why they hate U,they have been conditioned to hate U! Fear is the main reason for this mnipulation to exist with inpunity.
truth ???🤣😂🤣😂
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."
Bro, that intro question to get him to talk about his beginnings without asking him “so where did it all start” was genius. It has officially been stolen.
“The problem with humans is not race or something. It’s othering”. Wisdom right there my brother 🔥👌🏾
Coffee Bay is one of the best hidden gems in Africa! I have worked and travelled 17countries later…Coffee Bay remain my favourite destination. I go alone and with my family annually! The best….coffee shack is amazing for accommodation…can’t wait for December 👌🏽
A home to some of us. Thanks for recognition brother. It's a land of our forefathers 🙌♥️
@lungilemnguni9641 please visit our tiny shop when you visit coffee bay...village café/afritude/poetry in motion 🙏
Thank you abuti Pen le Ntate Bala. It is difficult to let go, I've never identified as Christian but it's hard not to have a crutch. There's no devil creeping in, it's accountability through and through. I enjoyed this Konvo.
Bhut Zwai deserves all the good things in life..
We love this place will always be a masterpiece for me. This man has always had a midas touch. Thanks for celebrating him.
y'all, I'm experiencing a spiritual awakening and just thought I'd reach out to anyone who feels the same
I get you, im with you
It's a lonely journey, but well worth it.
@@NyakazaNgwenya it's scary as well, I'm doubting everything I've ever been told...Cha ngiyesaba ngehlise bhoza yam 😭
@@xolilendinisa9405 💓💓💓
@@acceptinglife6491 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Deconstructing is scary I admit, I sometimes wish I remained ignorant and just accepted everything I was told😩
My husband And I recently left christainity after being church leaders and preachers for years we had so many questions and started doing a lot of research only to find that we have been lied too . We really can't believe we were so foolish to believe in this crap! Now we have the task of taking out Jesus and the fear of hell kubantwana bethu .
I'm so curious to hear what made you both decide to leave the Christian faith, while 'mna' I decided to stay? Even so, my interest in staying in this form of faith is constantly growing. I'm also in leadership at church but unlike many folks I'm not obsessed by that, instead, I careful observe the fundementals and the dynamics surrounding this religious path. I do care to hear one or 2 items that you questioned apart from the obvious that generally unbelievers pose.
Oh it's crap ??? and your views are validated by Kwai Bala ??? you are joke shame!!!!
I’m more curious about the questions you and your husband had
I hope Africans can realise that this Jesus concept is fake. It was created to put us in mental chains.
@@Sbo-09 Adam listened to the voice of his wife and ate. Abraham listened to the voice of his wife and slept with Hagar. I can assure you that you won't get response with substance from your question. What I can assure you is that someone misled the other.
As a Christian, I agree that religion tends to discourage or be against genuine tough questions. But genuine questions/inquiry are part of the human experience. Any human system must be open to genuine questions if it may be accepted.
But Christianity is a religion
@@Onelove-Oneheart-h4c Religion is how spiritual systems are institutionalized. Christianity is a religion through the institutional forms that embody it. That's why the Catholic church looks and feels very different to the Evangelical Church. The bible is the same, but the institutions are very different.
@@lengaumosotho it is still a religion and there is nothing wrong with that. Every spiritual system is a religion. The etymology of the word religion is to bind the same idea as the word yoke, from which we also get the word yoga. Religion is binding, uniting heaven with earth or the spiritual with the physical
@@Onelove-Oneheart-h4c We area greed on that.
I love bra Zwai man. A leader, a creative genuis and a mentor for sure.
" the are many black people who have suffered more than how Jesus did" very powerful and provoking statement ❤
It just sound nice but the truth is there’s many people who have suffered more than Jesus. we like to romanticise our collective pain as blacks when in reality almost every group of people have suffered just as much as us.
@@mechailreydon3784… so true!
@@mechailreydon3784 Haibo suxhoka
Black people are still suffering to date!!!
Zwai is one guy that has been misunderstood. Once you go on a journey of self discovery you make enemies along the way bcz you bring information that most people are ready for it.
"mntana ona 4 wazintoni ngezono" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 we are waking up slowly but surely.
Eish we have been blinded by Christianity
Weve been brainwashed big time its good that people are waking up
I've always questioned that statement it never really made sense to me. For instance, Jesus died on the cross for us erased all our sins the jeki jeki we sinners from birth yoh 😅
@@CommodoreBokuwskie 😂😂😂😂 It’s just the same old nonsense repeated over and over. If you pay attention, growing up, every household-whether in the villages or townships-had that pale white image, supposedly of Jesus. By the way, that wasn’t Jesus, but rather a concept of Zeus, also known as ‘hail Zeus,’ a demigod from Greek mythology. This image of jesus was of a fellow called Cesare Borgia it was hung in every home, alongside that Passover scene-another piece of whitewashed Christian rhetoric. The aim was clear: to tell young, impressionable minds that white people are their saviors.
And the sad part? In Africa, this belief has become so ingrained that many would go as far as to attack or even kill you for questioning it.
I’m actually starting a RUclips channel to dive deep into our history-there’s so much we’ve been kept in the dark about. For instance, the god of Genesis is said to have lived in Abzu, which is now South Africa. You can even visit the site today, though, unsurprisingly, it’s run by a white man. Women who visit Adam’s Calendar have reported experiencing labor pains. Humans were lab engineered this story is orally known by our peopple Tatu Credo Muthwa was not smoking when he talked of Chitawuri. Chritianity are in actual fact worshiping Satan or known as Saton in Mesopotamia, to this channel i'll take and link the Bantu to Israel using a specific e1b1a haplogroup map which all so called Bantu has in them, you are Natufians before you were call all sort of crap as their place.
If people took the time to really research their religions, they’d be shocked and hurt by what they’d find. The story of God and Satan? It’s the tale of two brothers-members of a Type II civilization that came from another constellation. There’s plenty of evidence for those willing to seek the truth.
Hehake. Yet, you will teach umntana ona 4 not to hit others because it's wrong. What's that called?
We are all waking, one African at a time, and it's beautiful to watch.
Libaration👏👏👏✅
It's truly an incredible feeling. 🙌🏾
I can relate hundred percent with the conversation you are having as far as religion is concerned, after having left Christianity I found a home in Islam I don't see myself leaving, I am also exploring more of my Xhosa heritage, intending to speak more Xhosa over the years. I look forward to having Penuel invite a Black South African Muslim on the podcast, one who is well versed in Islam to be able to articulate eloquently the idea and concept of God in Islam and how we fit in as Black Africans, especially Black South Africans in that belief system.
Before religion was imposed upon humanity we were aware that we are spirit with a physical experience.We have always been and always will be.To go from one religion to another is just going from one prison to another.
Now finally something specifically for us who question everything we found here like old Socrates once said
What a conversation, thank you gentlemen.
People need to understand that you can't have answers without questions. Mr Zwai is on the right track; he is questioning how people view the contents of the Bible and how that pov does not align with his reality. It is fair even in the eyes of God.
I hope he finds the answers to his questions and when he does he's going to be pleased to find that the truth lies in HIM.
Did make up on Zwai he spoke about music and spirituality during that interview...and it flip my life on its exis....i have been hoping he sits down with Pen...this is a dream for me❤❤❤❤❤
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Im so glad you started adding time stamps on your videos.
I just wanna commend Pen for saying for saying "Go and find the things you've been going easily and naturally from a Young and try get on the biggest Platforms", the gift that we are all born with that we don't give time to nature and explore. I'm on that journey right now, and it may look minimal to some... but to me, its where my Joy is and I believe that's where ones purpose resides. Great Convo🔥🙏🏽
Bro the technical team here is hectic! The shots they are capturing in some moments, yah 🔥Shout out to your team @penuel
What a show! This happens whenever I meet Zwai… these deep convos. Beautiful show!!!
Great Konvo..It realy is a 'difficult' journey finding ones self outside the indoctrination of christianity..You find your self in difficult situations and you find yourself humming a church song lol then you start question your journey. its also quite challenging when raising your views or question1ng things in family who are stonj christians...eziWesile sikhule kuzo dammaged us!
Always a pleasure listening to this guy!
Hats off, thanks guys. This is it!!
These are the kind of show we should be engaging with ❤️👌🤝💪 the wisdom & integrity amazing.
Well Pen....there it is... another Million views loading!! This one is very very very special!!! I never knew Mr Bala had it like this 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
"There are many black people that have got through way worse than what Jesus did..... and that was for us".
I rest my case with this quote. The truth in this is sickening. The journey of seeking the truth is lonely and depressing. And worst part is you can't go back and unlearn everything.
Nice to see another saints boy making it! White blazers for life
Nice one! 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
I enjoyed watching this podcast on #ZwaiBala and getting to know the other side of him besides music and hear his views on religion, spiritually and African family traditions. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 - RB with love from #Botswana 🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼
The truth, desired outcome and consciousness. Yho,! What a powerful conversation guys..
This is a really powerful episode. Siyabonga but'omdala
One of the best conversations I've seen on this channel. I would have loved to see Pen take in and discuss alot of the gems Zwai was dropping.
The Bible has created more "atheist" than anything... I myself was once a student of Christ, preached the word of God in Clinics,Trains and public spaces. We were given scripts and summaries to read and preach to the people. When I was in Grade 12, 2007, myself and 2 friends decided to read the Bible from start to finish without the supervision of Church Elders... Man, what followed after was nothing but total freedom, my questions led me to be removed as Church Youth Leader, and ultimately kicked out of church...
Now, I believe God is Me, You and ALL Being.
I've enjoyed this convo. Thank you Pen
Great conversation, Bro. Please bring Ta Zwai for part 2 😊😊
My dad loves Zwai… they talk, but they never met yet.
Young flex🔥🔥🔥
How wish people could listen to Dr. Imboni Zwi- Lezwe.
This is beautiful man. This deserves more attention. Best interviews in SA in recent years. Keep at it
1:21:06... Do you think peace is better than truth? Lovely question!
My two bob: When you know indulge in "the truth", you first judge those that have not consumed "the truths" you have consumed and with a tiny bit of wisdom you realize peace is far more important than being right. You now empathize with those that haven't picked up the books, those who haven't been curious enough and you realize we all are different and similar some ways because of the information and experiences we have had. So is peace better than truth? For me peace trumps all things!
I also value peace above truth. The thing is you cannot drag anyone to come to terms with truth until that is revealed to them when they are ready. Then it's at the right time and hits harder. Once truth settles, there is bound to be a 360 degree turn-around. Peace and Love are tops for me..then truth follows. Love and light beautiful souls
This conversation with Zwai Bala about some of the battles that you experience with being forced to believe in religion from childhood. That it limits you f4om being open minded and also being curious into studying yourself with applying your curiosity into different topics that tackle your understanding finding yourself.
So true
No man can ever endure what Jesus did on the cross,only God himself had to die for the sins of man.The blood of an innocent man,for us to have eternal life and have power over sin.God is empathetic to the struggles of people hence his word gives hope in the midst of suffering.
"only God himself had to die"...
Imagine God dying hey, imagine, sometimes I hate religion and the things you guys say.
Anyway, it is what it is..
Thank you for your comment - in agreement, amen.
So many innocent humans, especially here in Africa, have endured even worse than Jesus....being forced to be Christian.... ironic isn't it?
No man can ever endure that? Thes people in japan who survived a nuclear bomb. Men and woman who survived multiple rapes, stabbings, shot multiple times, kids who have been starved to almost death, people who have had limbs cut off in war, terrorism etc people who have been tortured for their beliefs and their people, concentration camps... a lot of these people were innocent and probably undeserving of that
That hope they were given is not even comparable to what they endured, they can't even feel consolation because they going through worse and it's not even for the sin of the entire humanity...that is hell...they won't be remembered. Their sacrifice isn't even as important... how is that hope
I haven't had given myself sometime to watch your shows in a while. This was a great conversation 👏 👌 👍 Masikhule sibonisane , sikhulisane.
This was amazing, thanks bras nisivula ingqondo.
Damn!!!!
I don't regret ever watching this episode. It is meatful, meatiness.
Yazi bra Pen nami ngaqala ukuphambana ne Bible after reading the whole Bible from Genesis 1 to the last chapter yesambulo, then started having a lot of unanswered questions.
I'm busy reading the Bible (started in July) and it's been rough in places because I have questions. Some things makes sense but some things are just dribbling me
The bible and other religious texts alike, are a collection of methology from previous times. Such stories were never really meant to be taken literally as most believers do today. Those stories even predate the composition of the bible. It's such a shame how we have replaced knowledge, in favour of these texts which are more wisdom than knowledge. I laugh everytime when someone says the bible gives 'historical accounts'. It's all an allegory makholwa.
Brother Pen i really love the way you engage with your ppl bro the energy you give to the ppl to be so open and free to the platform its beautful man❤💯
This conversation is so deep😢,how i wish we can wake up as african 😢 😭 😭 .Thanks Black Pen le abuti Zwai❤
Thank you Buti Zwai I feel you my brother we are happy to have you....
I love Zwai very intelligent
This episode surprised me I must say, I thought the Konvo was going to be about music! Great Konvo as always baf2
My Kinda People, My kinda Afrikans, The Awakened & Enlightened. You go Boyz.
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Some of the best geopolitical, philosophical and sociological ideas/arguments from a SA context
Always beautiful watching your sit downs God Penuel !
Can you please try to arrange a sit down with Dr. Uzwe Lezwe Radebe ? Great philosopher 👌🏾
Great interview, Shout out to Zwai
Folks fear the biggest thing of letting go as they feel their reliogius affiliations is part of their identity. Which prohibits them from coming to learn and know who they really are outside of these things they adopt.
I must confess that the brave are those who chose to go on the journey to the land of the unknown ie without religion but i must add its both scary yet beautiful.
In that journey, there is a lot of un-learning and re-learning oneself from higher self.
Im just happy to learn that the circle is bigger with more people coming or been awake! ❤️ 💡
Lord JESUS I need your strength. I’m struggling providing for my children. I’m so discouraged. As a single mom Lord Jesus I’m overwhelmed. I have two beautiful boys both are special needs. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets. Lord grant me strength to provide for my sons. With you by my side Lord I know all is possible.
i pray you get assistance, where are you based?
Stop relying on Jesus he won't hear or do anything even those who believe in him will never help you
Well said....@@whatislove-ur8if
@@whatislove-ur8if 😂 Tell them. Jesus isn't for them, akamuva nokumuva. Izinto zakhe they are there by African spirituality. By amathonga akhe.. ubusy crying to a Jewish white man who's got no business helping her. Jesus has his own European people that he was sent to help and save, that's why they are flourishing because they are praying to their angel/ancestor not lost sheep praying to foreign ancestors. 💔
Hambo pahla mama.. your ancestors are there waiting to help you and give you answers to your cries. Yeka uJesu, he doesn't hear you because you're not connected to him in anyway. Not by ancestral lineage, genealogy, blood, race or DNA.. every race in the world has its own religion and yours is not that of Christianity, eyabelungu le. Go find yours as an African. I know Jesus is all you know but it's not your fault, I don't blame you...Christianity was injected into us by force and that's all we know but the truth is that it's not for us.. Black people did not suffer before colonialization. We had all our needs met.. we had our own way of life and our own God and spirituality. Go back to that. Camagu. uZimu akubusise 🙏🏽🕯❤
Great Interview Penuel, thank you. A musical Genius 👏 well never forget what he did with Tkzee.
A wonderful conversation Gentlemen, big Ups
I salute you Penuel for briging uTar Zwai this was informative keep up guys.
Christians are always catching strays!!!
I still share and believe in some Christian teachings, but I also accept that it's not an immovable object! And not the only truth!
God doesn't need the Bible to exist!
Just because Zwai did not give you the pro Christian answers you want yall are questioning his intellect.
It's a conversation with Zwai, meaning it's about him, his journey and his take on things.
Accept it.
He's not debating, his sharing his views, logic, and experiences!
The thing about South Africans, everyone can tell you in colourful terms about what's wrong but no one has ever put forward in detail what needs to be done.
Penuel for instance, he never misses out on an opportunity of bashing black South Africans in particular and his answers to our problems is that we should all be Penuelists or follow some sort of dictatorship as it seems we are completely incapable of thinking for ourselves.
My thing is, if you don't have solutions rather say nothing. If you think you are smart don't tell us you are smart, show us what you have done and we will be able to distill for ourselves whether you are wort following or not.
Oh this!!🙏🏽❤️
I was talking with my partner about this. It irks me how much people say stuff like “only if black people could….” 🙄 “oh black South African youth are lazy…” 🤮 We are thee most unequal country in world. If hard work paid off we wouldn’t have abo’Mama selling fruits ko strateng still.
These people are in the public speaking business because they aren’t actively implementing their own solutions or ideas😅
In as much as we may not have the solutions now, we need these kind of platforms where issues that we face as a collective face can be talked about, rather than brushing them under the carpet with the hope that some saviour will miraculously come solve all our problems one day. Nobody knows everything in this life and obvious Pen will have some wishy washy ideologies here and there but let that not take away from the good work him and his team are doing to inspire dialogue and much need introspection within the community
@@nonodlamini Hmmm. Penuel is evidently doing a lot of good which is why I am here listening and grasping at every word him and his guests are saying (only on guests that are of interest to me of course).
I am however also entitled to my own opinion. Open dialogue and looking for solutions is all good but while on that journey of discovery do not tear down existing structures of refuge unless you have a viable alternative.
I have just never heard Penuel saying anything positive about black South Africans as much as he does white South Africans (to a point of joining Afriforum) as well as other African countries especially Nigerians whom he goes out of his way to research and find positive things to say about them. I understand he may be hoping for some reverse psychology in some instances. It would be great if he can mix it up a bit. We are aware of our shortcomings, hearing it all the time however doesn't really help.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life.
Love it, the nerve he has to diss black SAns for nonsense topics he is having not helping nothing not doing anything but just talking
As a Christian i can not denounce God no matter what.He has brought me to where I am today through prayer and his word.Iam not a theologin but i know what God did. My thing is this we all know about God and Jesus if its your choice if you dont follow him.God does not force you to follow him.He introduce himself through his children if you dont accept him its your choice.
Greetings to my fellow countrymen and women. I love this conversation. We need a balanced worldview discussion not just a one sided affair. I'd suggest to invite Christian apologists to give an accurate defense of the faith that I know most people don't know about.
Thank you for this needed to hear this
I think faith and religion should be a personal journey and not to question or insight people to question themselves on their religious belief. I feel this is a good topic but very misleading to a very vulnerable society. We need to censor some things.... We all know this internet world we live in can begin some form of misleading revolution. This title as well seems like y'all have reached some form of conclusion. On the bright side I really enjoyed this episode. It actually fortified my faith in what I believe.
And a lot of us have built a relationship with Penuel!!!
Thank you for the time stamps❤
Konvo never disappoints
(Proverbs 19:3) as a loving faithful father Adonai gave us Dominion over the earth, we were given free will, We then made a mess of the entire world and now Blame God. In the absence of God there is Chaos!in households where the father figure is not there, there is Chaos!
Amen
Amen so powerful indeed
😂This was fun and I see a lot of myself and journey replayed in this conversation. I sang for UJ Choir(I was with Sizwe, Renette, and Sabz yesterday), been with Quava for 6 years now and also once backed Zwai in one of his Bird Movie he was composing music for sicula abo 🗣️ "Ukuba sitsaniwe izintsana zalom'hlaba ewe siwelele, AAWOO, zintsana, zintsana za lomhlaba ezokude" 😂 fun times indeed😂🤣🤌🏾. Also yeah I remember seeing you in the audience Pen at that Weltevreden Church last year 😂🤙🏾
Dankie🤝🏾bo baba
🙌🏽Makwande☀️
I'm enjoying the konvo
Very interesting conversation! I kindly request that you bring Grootman Jet Novuka when it's convenient for both of you.
The difference between African spirituality and Chtistianity is that one has no problem with lust of the flesh and the other one ask you to fullfill the fruit of the spirit.
As someone who grew up in eSajonisi(Port St Johns), I got so giddy when Zwai mentioned it. The wild coast is where I want to retire.
Khandiplugge ngenxiwa lol
@@okuhlediko7067 nam ndisakhangela lol
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this conversation. I could chat about these topics until the sun comes out.
Though my immediate family was religious, I’m glad that it was never forced on me, ngoba, from a young age I never liked the idea of church, I didn’t know why at the time kodwa I knew I had no business being there. I just felt out of place, even when I didn’t have the full understanding of the institution but deep down I knew that it wasn’t for.
This conversation reminds me of my late dad, I loved how uTata’m navigated his spiritual journey, so ubhut’ Zwai in many ways kind of reminds me of him.
Would love to come on the show someday. At least to try and provide a Christian perspective on some the objections, and church councils. There's a particular branch of Christian theology that focuses on the comparative side of Christianity. It's not the work of a pastor or regular Christian. But hope it's OK if I do reaction video to this. But thanks for getting us to think and discuss these complex matters.
Would definitely love to see that. This idea of Christianity that they’re talking about is way different from what I practice. There are judgmental people who turn out to be Christian but that’s not what Christianity is.. what I practice is to be more like Jesus, to love people even those who don’t believe in Christ, just pray for their salvation. I’m never angry or look down on someone who isn’t a believer, all I can do is pray for them and keep planting seeds. It’s weird to see people be so angry at God for giving us free will. I’m glad they’re talking about this either way.
"Pray for their salvation" according to your believe and understanding which might not even be the correct one. That's where the problem is. Let people find God in their own way. Religion was drilled forcefully into Africans.
There's honestly no need for the Christian perspective. We were all raised in this cloud of Christianity. There is nothing new to discuss unless you've added books to the Bible. Siyekeni kancinci please. And i mean this in the most respectable tone possible. We are in great need of "new" perspectives from pre-christianity scrolls of wisdom. Also, while you're discussing Christianity, please also see the spread of Christianity and colonization/slavery across the world. It can not be a coincidence that both were spread the same time. Is there a link between the two?
@@IslahTlholoe missionaries came in the same boats with the colonizers.
@@mdu8053 Christian censorship. 😆
Great chop, i relate so much.
A Leader, a realist.. 💪🏾💯
Yoh Zwai sounds so polished, such an amazing interview yoh!! apart from the English, Zwai is awesome!!
@MJ-jn8ul Did you read what I wrote? Noma u read to respond. Just focus on the podcast.
@@phelosikhakhanewhy are you being so defensive?.you could have just explained what you meant since clearly they it was not understood
@@Mthoberistosan yazi we can't comment anymore because there are always people waiting with red pens, ngizincomela uZwai for ukukhuluma kahle, i wasn't opening a discussion mara.
@@Mthoberistosan manje ke sekumele ngichaze ukuthi ngithini, next thing kuzothiwa manje why uncoma? ayi bandla. Angisenanhliziyo bandla, buka kwimanje sengiyachaza, iyona into ebengingayifuni😏.
@@Mthoberistosan and since you want to understand what I meant, I said uZwai sounds polished, that means his articulation is clean and clear, and apart from the fact that he sounds great, he is also awesome as a person! Now can we close this comment because I won't comment further.
I feel seen soooo seen😂. I'm also questioning everything and it's such a daunting journey
Hang in there. There is light at the end..
Christianity requires renewing your mind, If you don't, Other things will grow.
Yoh! I'd like to come back a few years later to see how the "black people have suffered more than Jesus" statement aged.
This was an interesting conversation bo Bhuti abadala 🙏🏼, I enjoyed it.
Zwai is a wise thoughtful man. His displacement from Christian faith is unfortunate, same goes for Pen. The wisdom of man is clearly not the wisdom of God.
You have not awoke u won't understand
What fascinates me is the fact that he denounced Christianity. The question I’m left with is DO I KNOW GOD ENOUGH that really NOTHING CAN SEPARATE ME FROM HIS LOVE? That’s where their problem lies. May we know God enough!
Immersive chat, dope shit 🔥
Beautiful conversation ❤❤
Dope episode...
Thanks black pen this is a great konvo
Brother Zwai Bala hit hard here 🔥 🔥 🔥
I felt it when Pen said it seems some of us need to go on a journey away from our people only to come back and see the value of our people and to help.
Thank you once again.
Love this show
Really enjoyed the interaction 👍🏾
There's verse in Timothy 2 i think that's says " in the end times there will be ppl professing themselves to be wise,but they are actually dom" paraphrasing of course