DBZ | Why The BUU SAGA SUCKS
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
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0:00 intro
0:58 the great Saiyan saga
4:51 the world tournament saga
19:45 Majin Vegeta
26:56 Buu time
35:20 bad arc mode
37:51 the good part
39:41 ugh, super buu
44:35 I guess I have to talk about Gotenks
53:05 piccolo's character is dead
55:44 Gohan's character is even more dead
1:05:20 the part I like?
1:11:25 Why does the buu saga suck?
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I firmly believe this entire arc could've been avoided if Supreme Kai did his job better.
ANY god doing their job better in DB would avoid problems.
@@aircall2065 King Yenma, Kai, Kami and... okay, only 3 competent gods in U7
Hey.. your not wrong
vegeta didn't help either even with the supreme kais shitty plan the hero's were on the verge of beating babadi dabura was his last line of defense if gohan had killed him there was nothing stopping the hero's from killing babadi but vegeta just had to get a jealous boner at the worst time
@@Eric-py8yy Kami was far from competent. In-fact, he was the first ever incompetent god making him the O.G against Shin and Kibito
“Videl Battered! Gohan’s Fury Reaches It’s Limit!”
Am I the only one that thought it was funny because it sounds like Gohan is abusing Videl?? 😂
O h. G o d.
THIS IS TRAINING, GET UP VIDEL
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Lmao
damn
Yes.
'Frieza is the kind of guy that would compliment you for killing a dog in an elegant way'-That line got me XD
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Piccolo's telling buu to kill every human on Earth was pretty intense and I thought it was well done. He had an internal struggle and realized he needed to buy time for the children to train as long as possible.
I agree, but I also wonder what else piccolo the FIGHTER could of done to stall Majin Buu that would of been more entertaining and less contrived. Plus it would be like the only fight he has in the whole arc.
@@BilboBaggMan he could have done literally nothing. There is your answer
@@BilboBaggMan he would’ve just… died. Like it logically wouldn’t even be a fight, it would just be a slaughter in Buu’s favor. Plus Piccolo was the one who planned to trap him in the Time Chamber to buy everyone else time. Without that everyone would’ve just died before Kid Buu even came out.
Well... If Super Buu is arrogant villan #47 then we can assume he will toy with piccolo granting goten and trunks plenty of time to train
Just hypothetically of course
If he was less patient gotenks would've never happened
I always hated gohan not catching the earring as a plot device like he literally catches bullets with his bare hands earlier in the arc but misses the earring like who thought that made sense lol
Ikr! He did that while rusty, but totally got shafted in his hyped new stronger than anything Mystic Gohan form once Goku arrived since the latter isn’t just a standby character.
Goku throws faster than guns shoot so it was harder to catch 🤷🏿♂️😂😂
@@larcellj21 he is able to but he clearly did not throw it that fast otherwise the earring would've left the area
Lmao that shit was 🤦🏾♂️, but Gohan was getting his ass kicked physically and mentally he was probably just tired
@@larcellj21 It’s even sadder after realizing Mystic Gohan stopped Super Buu’s assault ball attack in its tracks who’s also 1000s of times stronger than Base Goku 😭
The worst part about the Buu Saga is that it makes you wonder what could've happened if the Great Saiyaman Saga was actually allowed to develop, and if Gohan was allowed to actually develop as a character instead of shrinking back under Goku's shadow.
It would be wrath of the dragon the movie.
This was toriyama's original plan but the fans wanted goku back so badly that they were going to boycott dbz.
@@497novakl anyway there could be a compromise, like Goku is back, but he is dead and his time on Erth is limited , like it WAS in the beginning of arc.
@@alexzero3736 yeah, too bad the fans wouldn't give it a chance
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi obito gaara konohamaru gai hinata kakashi sasuke n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain now dont get me started about kishimotos shiity writting of kunoichis
45:21 "Once again, Piccolo proves himself a hero in front of his friends and family. They will never doubt his wisdom again."
45:55 "Once again, Piccolo proves to his friends and family that he is a menace to society, and should never be taken seriously."
Best part of the video. It actually made me cry and choke from laughter.😂
that was my favorite joke to write im glad you loved it
@@username59564baby I loved it
Man, Shin really went from most mysterious/cool character to the biggest joke in DBZ/S history. They hyped him up all tournament just for him to be absolutely worthless.
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He and Kibito became so insignificant so quick that they just resorted to them being examples for the Potara Fusion idea so that they can have one useless character instead of two. LOL.
Toriyama going for the character ruining speed-run
It was done on purpose to subvert our expectations. Just like making Buu look funny instead of intimidating or making the Z sword useless.
The real reason why Gohan wasn't the main character wasn't because of the fans but because Toriyama himself claimed he wrote himself into a corner and that the arc was unsuitable for Gohan, Gohan was actually really popular with fans at the time. Toriyama even said this on an interview. Goten was supposed to be a foil to Trunks, not so much as a character, he's similar to Chiaotzu in this case.
The fact that Toriyama changed his mind on who the hero was halfway into the arc is another example of just how bad it was.
In defense of Piccolo forfeiting to Shin, keep in mind he's 1/3 Kami now. Kami was scared shitless of King Yemma, who outranks him in the Heavenly Pecking Order. Shin outranks EVERYONE in the Heavenly Pecking Order. I think status and respect had more to do with him forfeiting than anything. It'd be like the Pope refusing to fight GOD.
i mean close but Id like to think its because shin has such mental prowess that one grin shattered piccolos will to ven fight
Thing is, with Yemma and Kami, we can tell that there's a power gap right away with Yemma being able to reign in Raditz's soul, where Kami is likely still at the same power level he was at when he lost to Piccolo Jr. back in Dragon Ball. Meanwhile, Shin was worried about even fighting Pui Pui, who's top feat was having his planet have 10x Earth's normal gravity, a feat that was surpassed by even the Earthlings before the crew even got to Namek. Hell, we see Kid Trunks able to move at 150x Earth's gravity without needing to go super saiyan, meaning even Goten and Trunks could likely outclass Shin in a fight if we are to take his fears about Pui Pui seriously.
Shhh dont bring logic into the comment section of shitty youtube revisionist reviewers.
@@fireblast8972 Enma was able to banish Cell and Dabura. Strength isn't everything in the heavenly hierachy.
This is the kind of crap that he should really be paying attention to, instead of blaming the story for his lack of attention. The Supreme Kai which even shocked Goku for a bit when he heard about him.
I read somewhere that Toriyama originally wanted to do a slice of life manga with Gohan in high school and I would have loved if that was the entire arc
That would have been universally hated
@@marnixmaximus3053yeah the fans just like people punching eachother and would not like that to happen, seeing gohan being happy in a peaceful world.
@KingKami are you DRUNK no Dragon Ball fan hates Z let alone any dragon ball at all except for maybe GT
No one even talks about Gohan and Videl's love story especially his cringe-ass "Super Saiyaman" Phase
@@kingkami1739bro what dragon ball fans love Z it’s one of the most iconic shows in history
The total burial of Piccolo is absolutely unforgivable. Shitting his pants against Shin, getting turned into stone in a matter of seconds, being a laughing stock teacher for the kids.
Losing all ground to the sayans. Even Cell acknowledged at the Cell Games that Piccolo is on a level with Vegeta and Trunks, and is also the only one who holds is own against the Cell Jrs... and then 7 years later THIS? I will never get over this and how bad his training camp must have been. :D
EDIT: Okay, he even gets his own little chapter, good for you. :D
I feel like most people don’t take into consideration that Piccolo is a SMART fighter he might not be as strong but he is smart and it always helps him
You missed the who point of the Buu ark, THATS THE JOKE, Piccolo being a Babysitter the entire ark is the entire joke for him, Thats why hes put like this
Hercule is actually really strong for a normal human, he ripped a telephone dictionary (note that it has about a thousand pages)
In half with minimal effort.
that and the buss feat,
(if you consider that canon)
And he legitimately won the tenkaichi budokai
@@santiagogil7508 eh, about as legitimately as winning a starring contest against someone having a sneezing fit. I mean sure, what happened wasn’t Hercule’s fault, but his opponent was still not at full strength.
@@miteihiro3283 he also defends the title regularly. He is indeed strong. Just not a z fighter
Hercule is basically Bruce Leex10 at the very least. I mean he survived getting slapped by Perfect Cell. Any normal person would be turned to jelly.
I feel like this is the closest we'll ever get to an 'abridged' version of this arc, and I'm okay with that
There’s a few attempts just use the youtube searchbar
Honestly looking back I’m glad & can at least understand a bit more about why they didn’t do the Saga after all. They talked about burnout and I honestly believed there was so much to work with in the Buu saga because of the good moments… until I looked back & also watched this video and remembered all the BAD moments some of which pretty make the good moments either useless, in vain or also bad.
I can see why they wouldn’t wanna put themselves through that.
@@coletrain411 they dont compare
@@rx7.teykhan683 thats fair. But every bridge has to start somewhere
Cj dachamp looking him up
Defesting a villian by actually talking sense into them, like mr satan did, was such a cool concept.
Mr. Satan making Buu a good buy by nothing but the power of friendship and a few warm meals would be too serious of a call back to OG Dragonball, the fans would hate it.
Naruto in a nutshell
@@einav2102yea but toriyiama did it right because Buu isnt like frieza or cell, he is more than a ruthless monster, and i think the scene with buu and the blind kid perfectly captures that (not talking about kid buu or super buu)
Talk no jutsu
1:04:14 If only there had been a way for Goku to quickly get close enough to Gohan, so that he wouldn't have had to throw the earring and miss.
Right?
But Vegeta's motivation to turn evil is a bit deeper, and it's because he's disgusted with his own weakness. He has become a family man, vulnerable because he has loved ones, and he got there by following Goku's example. I think that was important character development, it's like his mid life crisis. He didn't just gain physical strength, he also severed his emotional bonds, and he mistakenly believes that to be another kind of strength. His failure proves the error of his thinking, so it's all relevant and important.
I agree. As well redundancies aren't always a weakness in plot, here it's a strength imo because it shows how issues from the past have been unnaturally stretched, from Goku being dead, to their limit in the present and are demanding resolution. As well it strengthens their resolve.
I also didnt like his comment on goku/vegeta not having SS2. Gohan surpassing both Goku and Vegeta would motivate both to reach that level, for different reasons ofc, but their arcs can happen off screen. Neither Goku, Vegeta or Gohan are different characters after they reach SS1 (nor Gohan w.r.t. SS2), so it's weird to expect them to be noticeably different
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
@@thechannel1098 Vegeta would kick Jesus's ass.
Yuh
he explained it pretty clearly. when Vegeta first met Goku he was a lot stronger. Goku only could keep up with kaioken and if it wasnt for that and help from his friends Vegeta would have stomped Goku right there and remained as the top saiyan (I know Broly is still around but nobody knows about that). Vegeta felt that he was that strong then because he was evil. that's what he meant by wanting to return to the way he was before. because ever since that fight which Vegeta was much stronger but still failed Goku has always managed to stay ahead of him. Vegeta thought that babadi would make him evil again and that would return things to the way they are supposed to be (Vegeta being the strongest saiyan).
Just gotta say, involving Goten and Trunks, I think a much better way to handle them is if they didn't get their Super Saiyan transformations until after Vegeta's sacrifice
Like Trunks waking up and learning about his father's death, after he hugged him for what is possibly the first time, and the grief hitting him like a truck and causing him to become a Super Saiyan
And while their in the Chamber (not just to perfect the dance but also train together and get stronger overall) Goten is overwhelmed with emotions and anxiety, Trunks is acting different because of Vegeta's death, Goten only had one day to finally meet his father who's been absent his whole life, and that day has been ruined, and the whole world is depending on them to get stronger, but Goten doesn't think he'll ever be strong enough because Trunks is so much stronger than him and he'll just hold Trunks back, and all of these emotions cause Goten to snap and go Super Saiyan as well
Then I'd imagine Trunks would see this and try to comfort Goten and talk to him, even though he isn't good at talking about more serious things, and this talk helps them both get a better handle of themselves and they realize they are still kids and need to embrace it, causing them to try to create crazy techniques that Buu, or anyone else, wouldn't be able to see coming, like the kamikaze ghosts and all of that
I feel this would make their characters far less annoying in the long run and would make Gotenk more bearable because we'd see why they fight the way they do and why they're able to pull so many stupid tricks out of nowhere
I second all of this, I'd be much more invested in Trunks, Goten, and Gotenks if their arc played out more like this. Giving them Super Saiyan right out the gate and explaining it with "lol next generation always stronger" would have fixed a lot of issues I had with the kids in Buu arc
Damn dude I just got hipped on them 2 with only reading your side story. Amazing!
Having them be able to help each other get through these stressful times would be a fantastic way for them to finally get the fusion techniques down as well. Like before, they couldn't nail the dance because they were both far too tensed up and weary from not being able to sleep or something which makes them sloppy with the precise movements of the dance, but once they actually talk to each other and cool down a bit, they're finally able to perfect the dance (I wrote this when I was tired so it probably doesn't make sense but whatever)
I too can create a better plot in hindsight.
Everyone also forgets chichi was killed in front of Goten as well pretty sure gotenks used that pain to become ssj3 like goku told them
Mr. Satan befriending Buu and legitimately saving the Earth without having to fight is the best thing about the saga and one of Dragon Ball's best story moments overall. It's just too bad they had to undo it immediately for more fighting and fusion spamming for another 50 episodes. At least we got to see Mr. Satan beat the crap out of Van Zant, that was fun too.
The fact that Mr. Satan pulls out a Deagle to shoot buu is hilarious
Videl is one of the best things in DBZ, very entertaining to watch her and Gohan interact. Missed opportunity.
I realize that DBS and Beerus weren't even a thought in Toriyama's head when he wrote this saga but it really makes Beerus seem even more incompetant. You have this pink bubblegum monster going around casually killing Kais yet Beerus doesn't lift a finger.
Even if he was asleep during all of this, all the gods being murdered would have been cause to wake him up
Beerus incumbent? So that means BUU is stronger than beerus. Thanks someone needed to say it since he DID exist since the beginning of time forever honing his power not to mention hes what any person with a brain would consider a god of destruction.
@@ajflink Whats wrong with Super? It started off really bad but then it got better. I really wish they never brought back emperor Pilaf though.
@@em9886 Even later it's arcs still seemed to be mostly bad.
@@WitheringZealot what the fuck is this leap of logic ?
@@dovhadark7108 figure it out bitch boy Want some proof or are you so close minded you'll argue with prestablished lore like the rest of this mentally challenged Olympics dbz fanbase?
Fact #1 buu saga Manga states buu wasn't created he always existed as a force of nature.
That's all I need to give you.
You're definitely not from the ocean dub Era of dbz. Your turn.
The best thing about the Buu Saga was Vegeta's character development.
Counter point: Good Buu and Mr Satan becoming friends and Buu becoming good.
@@derpfluidvariant0916 Meh.
@@Travis371 fair enough
And Fat Boo. His existence made me laugh
@@jao4298 I think when SSJ3 Goku fought Buu, he actually would've had a harder time with him than he thought. It would take most of his strength to kill off Fat Buu because of his extraordinary regeneration skills. Fat Buu looked like he was having the time of his life in that fight.
We all know how incredibly powerful energy attacks are that are infused with life energy. Tien's Tri-beam attack, for example, on Cell. It stalled him and Tien is literally a few thousand times weaker than Cell, lol. If Majin Vegeta's all-out sacrificing attack with his life energy doesn't harm Fat Buu, then how do you think SSJ3 Goku is going to fare against him?
Gohan and piccolo being instantly nerfed despite being so strong in the last saga always really bugged me
‘Piccolo was so strong last saga’
Bro, he got no diffed by first form Cell.
@@tylercoon1791Tbf against android 17 it was a brawl
@@BoxinSere yep, that’s the Piccolo way. Get a power up, be even with the opponent for one fight, then get creamed by the next fight
To be fair, Piccolo not fighting Shin was more because of his prestige, I think. Like Supreme Kai is supposed to be an entity higher than that of the Grand Kai, which was a respected figure in the afterlife not because of strength, but because of status.
That stiil is ridiculous when you realize no one respected king kai and supreme kai had no relavance at ant point to earn respect. King kai actually was useful throughout the entire series.
lol “Remember when characters have believable moves?”
Piccolo to Gohan: Special clothes canon.
@man with a username i think chioatzu is a vampire or the asian version of it
@man with a username called him a perpetual baby 😭😭😭😭😭 u got my like for that one bro
@man with a username didn't Piccolo extend his arms in Dragonball
@@batboythecool hes the same type of zombie like Qiqi from genshin if it makes sense
58:34 that's actually a common misconception. Toriyama sidelined Gohan of his own volition because he just couldn't come up with a way to properly work him in as the main character.
no the japanese fan base didnt like gohan has lead which is why he was side lined
@@dar3al3q Even though he was voted as the most popular character at the time of his fight with Cell?
@@Seven_DB yes gohan was suppose to lead in majin saga but they ran a vote in Japan and everybody wanted goku back that’s why it went from slice of life with gohan to the drastic change it had
@@dar3al3q the vote had Gohan as the most popular character tho. His fight with Cell was voted as like the third best fight in Z. People liked Gohan, Toryiama wanted to make him the MC and no one objected. He never said fan backlash was the reason he didn't, he just didn't think Gohan was suited for it.
@@Seven_DB if you look it up it literally says he wanted to make gohan the main character but decided against it due to it not goin as well as he liked
Okay, lemme just say I really liked Mighty Mask's technique of using both of his arms and legs simultaneously to fight. I don't think I've ever seen that before ever.
Did I miss that part in the video, or is Mighty Mask one of the JoJo-characters?
@@umbranoctis4348 he's in the tournament
@@franciscojamess5827 Aah, okay, thanks. I only watched the German version way back when it was on TV.
11:40 idk if anyone else caught this but the reason Kabito had Gohan power up was to lure spopovich and yamu to absorb his energy because they could lead them back to babbidi because they couldn’t find his base of operations
Also while the majority of babbidis minions were weak it was explicitly shown supreme Kai couldn’t handle pui pui, yakon and Dabura while Goku and Vegeta effortlessly could
Also last thing Frieza is pretty valid but cell just showed up out of nowhere in a timeline he wasn’t supposed to be in and became perfect a couple days later so it’s not really fair to blame supreme Kai
@@soko2982I think what they meant was they had gohan power up to his strongest even though he didn't need to when babidi was just planning on stealing strong energy anyways. That just made buu revive even faster. Definitely could have been better ways to get them to absorb the power without hastening the revival. The thing that everyone forget is that supremem kai could have used the dragon balls to find babidi and just asked goku to fight them.
Can we just appreciate that Mr Satan technically played a vital role in saving the world...twice.
Without him throwing Android 16s head to Gohan,Gohan might have never transformed into SSj2,and by befriending Fat Buu he probably helped in defeating Kid Buu later on.Both events also show that despite him knowing(atleast after Cell pinched him into a mountain) how weak he is compared to the threats the DragonBall World has,he still chooses to put himself at risk
It's sad whene even Hercule doesn't give up when Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha, Tien, Goten, Trunks and everyone else who aren't Vegeta or Goku do.
You can add a third when he convinced Earth to give energy for the spirt bomb
Mr Satan is so powerful that he only died once. And even then it technically doesn’t count anymore because Whis turned back time lol
Hercule is canonically the most powerful DBZ character for having never died. Second being Gohan but, Gohan has needed his assist, as aforementioned so
@@YujiUedaFan mr satan, no hercule
My personal issue was they just made him another Cell.. could have been and pretty much WAS beaten at several points, but OP regeneration drags it out.. Most enemies before Cell and Buu were made to feel extremely powerful, not just hard to kill.
I disagree that Cell doesn't feel extremely powerful, Cell was capable of destroying the entire solar system with his kamehameha against Gohan. And I don't mean just because he said so, you can feel the immense power of his ki. And Cell demolishing Androids 16 and 17 also show how powerful he is. As for Buu, it is true that we never see anything that demonstrates he is leagues beyond Cell and Frieza in power. All we really get is him beating the shit out of Gotenks, Goku and Vegeta, screaming dimensional holes and breaking reality by raging as Buuhan. Lame...🙄
@@insightfulhistorian1861 The Majin Buu saga demonstrated multiple times why Buu is leagues above Frieza and Cell. Kid Buu pushing the spirit bomb back to Goku, blowing up the Earth with a single blast, Piccolo pooping his pants when Super Buu approached him, beating the crap out of Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta and going toe to toe with Super Saiyan 3 Goku were just a few examples of how Majin Buu was leagues above Frieza and Cell. Cell on the other hand never felt extremely powerful. He had to hide from Piccolo and the rest of the Z fighters to steal more power, Vegeta and Trunks made a beating out of him. Even Goku vs Cell fight didnt seem Cell was that strong until he admitted he wasn't using his full power.
@@em9886 Nah, pushing the spirit bomb isn't much of a feat, considering Frieza survived it and Gohan bounced back the spirit bomb Goku used against Vegeta back in the Saiyan saga.
Furthermore, Piccolo shat his pants over how powerful Frieza was after he transformed into his final form and when he felt Imperfect Cell's superior ki after absorbing all those people. So what if Piccolo was terrified of Majin Buu when he's been terrified many times before.
And as for blowing up the Earth, really dude? Frieza and Cell could do that effortlessly with a finger as well. That isn't remotely powerful by the Buu saga.
@@insightfulhistorian1861 The thing with Frieza is that he couldn't push back the spirit bomb or deflect it. He may have survived it but it took a big toll on him and that spirit bomb was not as powerful as the one against Buu. With Gohan, that was a baby spirit bomb, nothing like the one against kid Buu, kid Buu would have ate that like candy.
As for piccolo pooping his pants, he still tried to fight Frieza in his final form and powered up imperfect cell. With Super Buu, he didn't even try because he knew how over powered he was. He was so outmatched that he allowed buu to kill off the human population to give gotenks more time to train. That's how terrifying and powerful Buu was.
You're right that Frieza and cell can blow up planets as well. My point is that kid Buu was able to do it without breaking a sweat and the z fighters were unable to stop him while Frieza and cell had to power up to do it and were unsuccessful because of the z fighters.
@@em9886 Wtf are you talking about? Frieza and Cell did NOT have to power up to destroy a planet. Frieza destroyed Planet Vegeta, which is much larger and denser than earth, effortlessly with one finger, and Planet Namek with minimal effort. And Cell could easily destroy Earth, he powered up in order to kill Gohan, not destroy the Earth. Do you even know Dragonball?
As for the spirit bomb, Goku drew energy from multiple planets for the spirit bomb on Namek, while the spirit bomb against Kid Buu was only from the people of Earth. Not too impressive. And let's be honest, for a villain as horrifyingly powerful and dangerous as Kid Buu, killing him with the spirit bomb felt underwhelming. I mean, you really expect me to believe the same technique that failed twice against weaker villains would suddenly work on the strongest villain who is leagues beyond them? I call bullshit on that convenient plot device. Even Goku thought using a spirit bomb was a joke when Vegeta suggested it.
I suggest you read the manga because Piccolo openly and angrily admits how hopeless they all were against final form Frieza, even though he tried to fight anyway. Plus, Piccolo is so outclassed by the Saiyans by the Buu saga, that Super Buu intimidating him says nothing about Buu's power. Think about it: what can Piccolo's reaction to Buu tell us when Vegeta would wipe the floor with Piccolo and he got demolished by fat buu? If anything, you could argue Goku admitting he had no chance to beat super buu, even in ssj3 was convincing proof of Buu's power.
I don't understand how anybody can hate on the great saiyaman, I mean it's Gohan living his best life
It was beyond cringey and lame.
50:54 Honestly, I never had any problem with that at all. Buu absorbs people when he covers them with the pink goo. But when he turns them into candy, then it's like they're actual candy. It makes perfect sense: Never did Buu get a new wardrobe after eating candy, just after absorbing them & putting them in those weird cocoon things.
I was looking for comment because that's the same thing I thought and had no problem with that part of the story it made since to me 💯
Somehow it passes over your head that the problem may be the fact that the main villains chief motivation and ability is to turn people into candy...
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 What? No that isn`t a problem at all lmao it`s perfect.
I feel like Videl was done dirty in this video. She technically kills Spopavich in the fight by breaking his neck. She was clearly stronger than him, but Babidi's magic made him into a monster.
If Babidi's magic made him a monster in the sense that he became strong enough to easily kill her, then she wasn't stronger than him.
Just like how using Babidi's power doesn't make Vegeta weaker than Goku in Super Saiyan 2.
A power boost is a power boost, and yet I don't see people complaining about the Saiyan Zenkais.
A fickle thing, the people who don't know what they're talking about.
She was stronger in the sense of physical power but with the abilities he gained from babidis magic he was more powerful in general, she wasn’t strong enough to fire a blast that would have vaporized him opposed to gohan who could have easily blown him to smithereens with a single blast
@@SpaceEmperorGenos she literally killed him and the bastard came back to life and kept fighting xd
@@Carlos-ne3zf I'm pretty sure that kick didn't actually kill him BECAUSE of Babidi's magic, but otherwise would have, and that all the spectators were just speculating that he died.
Dude, Spopovitch was strong enough to be able to shoot kikohas, how can you claim Videl was stronger lmao
I feel like a lot of the plot holes in the buu arc is cause toriyama admitted he made stuff up as he went along plus he was super brunt out admitting he wanted to end dragon ball in frieza saga
What plot holes are in the buu arc?
@@0vern9K I mean there mainly covered in the video like how come the Z fighters couldn't sense dabura even tho when fireza came to earth they all could sense him but not someone way more powerful
@@0vern9K There’s SSJ3 which if Goku used against Maijin Vegeta, he would’ve stopped him instantly, prevented Babidi from getting enough energy and Buu would never have been released.
The only downside is Gokus time on Earth would be up
But saving everyone should’ve been worth it.
@@ziongamer6905 he said he wanted to spare vegeta’s pride and goku didn’t want to be the one to kill buu. He hints at this when he explains why he didn’t kill fat buu even though he said he could
He wanted to give the younger generation a chance to prove to them that he’s not always gonna be there to come in and save the day. The buu arc itself is a representation of this. If goku got his free day back say 1 day before the buu arc everyone would have been fucked when buu hatched. And that’s what goku was trying to do.
Short term beating buu would be good but this version of goku thinks long term as well. And if he beat buu what if another enemy came and threatened earth? Goku would be dead so they’d have to fend for themselves that’s what he was trying to teach to them. He wants them to become capable of defending earth because he isn’t always gonna be there to do it.
@@0vern9K I totally understand that’s the point of the Buu saga and I love that as a lesson in general because it’s really good character growth for Goku but I still can’t help but be confused as to how Goku figured that could’ve possibly worked out considering he already saw that the only other strongest person would’ve been his son who stopped training and was struggling against an opponent he could’ve easily beaten years earlier. If things happened in a different order, I could see Goku thinking “No my kid can handle this and he’ll protect Earth” but at this point he knows for certain that he’s the only equal to Vegeta. Plus he knows that Buu is a terrifying force that doesn’t HAVE to be released if he just takes this initiative that only he has the power to do.
I love the Buu saga and all but i still don’t understand how Goku made this decision with any sort of good faith in the rest of the group. The order should’ve happened differently and then have us seeing Goku regret placing all that faith and pressure in his son afterwards. But then again, that’s somewhat of a cell saga repeat in terms of character growth so I’m not certain of a way that could be written without making a different plot hole in terms of his development.
I can’t believe Gohan would call Buu the R word 😢
I discovered Dragon Ball when i was a kid in the 90s, and on TV it was in the middle of the Buu Saga. Friends at school loved it, so i started watching it. Literally like on the Potara episode. Because of this, i have a lot of nostalagia for this saga.
Videl vs spopavich was easily one of the best fights of the series it really showed how much of a gap their is between regular humans and ki controllers
At that point she was a ki controller, just a very inexperienced one.
Hercule vs Cell was probably a better demonstration.
I loved when Videl got the shit kicked outta her. So satisfying. Humbled her the fuck up.
@@carpenoctem775 wtf dude..
@@Hagarism what happened? Woman beater joke or some shit?
It’s like dragon ball chiaotzu vs recoome
I gotta say that the start of the Buu arc is my second favourite part of the series, solely due to all the story's fruition finally coming through. Everyone has kids and it's the happy times, and most of all Toriyama let his creativity run wild with the fusions and ssj3. Goku willing to let the next generation take over was peak character development, but got unfortunately scratched by the second part.
Goku did that in the cell saga tho. Also I wouldnt call creativity, ssj3 was redundant and filler, just like the fusion dance was filler till Gohan arrives(and we assume this is the part where he also changed his mind and decided to switch Gohan to Goku as the MC and as a result the deus ex machina Potara fusion got introduced randomly out of nowhere just to be undone after it did its job nerfing Buu into a being stronger than Goku but not too strong since Goku already admitted Goku and Vegeta incl. ssj3 cant beat Super Buu.
It's my favorite saga like u said.. it's the end of the journey. It was the end of me getting off the bus in 8th grade and enjoying a bag of popcorn while watching DBZ.
A lot of people thrive off of nostalgia for this saga and so it makes sense that so many people would be angry about this video, but every single time I read through it in the manga I come to the same conclusion: Toriyama was absolutely done while writing the saga. Everything just happens (especially around the time Babidi shows up) and it really suffers for it because Toriyama just keeps going crazy with it. It is definitely one of my least favorite sagas in the entire manga. Also, Super Buu's eyes turn red bc they colored them wrong and wanted to change them back. For some reason they cared about the correct coloring for once.
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Felt that way during the cell saga.
40:35 It is explained how Buu gets separated because the Evil/Majin Buu in fight with other Supreme Kais absorbs Grand Supreme Kai. And due to the Grand Supreme Kai's kind nature he still manages to prevail in Majin Buu's mind. Which explains why Fat Buu becomes good and his evil self seperates as result of the divide between his struggle to understand humans. Hopefully that answers your question.
okay but still why does evil buu even exist, shouldn't it have just been pure/kid buu?
@@username59564 I have many issues with the Buu saga too and find it the worst arc out of DB as a whole myself, but Evil Buu isnt Kid Buu because Kid Buu is the original form of Majin Buu. Evil Buu is all the evil of Majin Buu incl the evilness of the ones he absorbed, aka the Kai's incl.
@@username59564kid buu only happens I think after the internal swallowed parts are removed then he returns to his kid buu form.
@@username59564I think it also helps to understand Buu, Bibidi, and Babadi are all magical warlocks and therefore the "science" and "theory" behind most of dragon ball is moot to them.
It's in the name. Bibidi babidi boo. Majin Buu is Djinn. They're magic. Not just aliens.
I think the Buu Saga had some good elements, good moments, interesting worldbuilding... and yet I wish they had just stopped with Cell's defeat. It would have ended with Gohan on a really high note; all those seemingly random power boosts he had in the past finally crystalized into something new and special, representing the potential found in human-Saiyan hybrids. It really was the perfect time to stop the story before it got overencumbered.
I have said this so many times before. I think if they had done buu better though it could have made for such an amazing villain. The problem is he is nigh invincible. Its ridiculous. Cell was such an amazing villain and to follow up with Buu was kinda ridiculous. Especially considering the fact that he is basically braindead. Had he been more like Cell he would have easily defeated all the Z fighters.
I also didn't like GT too much. I don't like Uub as a character. We lose Buu. Omega Shenron is boring. The 100 year time skip is confusing and so is the fact that Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. can both go super saiyan despite the fact that they have almost no Saiyan DNA in them. And finally, I feel like they spit on Vegeta making him have to use blutz waves in order to become a Super Saiyan 4. He should have been able to achieve that on his own.
And now we have super. And honestly not many great things have come out of that. They keep sidelining Buu even though he could probably mop the floor with most villains if he would just TRAIN. Vegeta gets great character development which is the only good part really besides Beerus. Goku is borderline a complete imbecile. I just feel as though Dragonball and its feeling died after the Cell saga. But anyway these are just my opinions so if someone disagrees thats fine. Im more than willing to listen to your side and discuss the matter. Just be respectful please.
@@maximilianraley2457 there's nothing wrong with ssj4 vegeta. He's cheated a lot in the past. Did you forget he sold his sold to babidi in order to fight a goku that was holding back ssj3.
@@maximilianraley2457 Eh...Buu was a great villain. Him being nigh invincible, it's part of what makes Buu Buu. It's not ridiculous. It wasn't kinda ridiculous. Buu isn't exactly full on braindead though ort at least any version that isn't fat Buu. He shouldn't have been more like Cell though.
It didn't die after the Cell Saga since it was still in the Buu saga.
The issue really was more that Toriyama only knew how to write one way, and the rot of that flaw expounded as the series went on. I know I'm in the minority who thinks the Buu arc was better than the Cell arc, and honestly I think most of the issues with the Buu arc were from said rot accumulating over the course of the series, and think that if dbz was written better from the get-go, it wouldn't have had this problem. I recognize that when dbz is good, it's *real* good. The issue is that it's only good in isolated big climactic moments. Gohan v Perfect cell? Amazing. Everything before the Cell Games? Unforgivable garbage.
@@kehlva8092 why unforgivable garbage?
"Why did Buu let them fuse?" Remember he wanted to fight a strong opponent and wanted to see if Gotenks could be a good warm up (Super Buu revealed he knew about Gohan all along saying he was the fighter he wanted to face all along)
Ah yes, the dragon ball effect. “I must let you fuse/power up in front of me to show how foolish of a character I am!”
I am struggling to make past this video even though I dont like the Buu Saga myself, but if this is really a critique, even an off handed one…
I feel bamboozled. That is like, literally a trope dragon ball invented and probably popularized.
Also yeah Super Buu sensed Gohan in Other World as he stated himself, so yeah no it tracks even for pink bubblegum magic clown.
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You what at least he rushed in to attack Trunks when he first saw them
@@twenty-fifth420 he has some points but completely misses the mark on others, it's explained blatantly that they let the 2 suck gohans power so they could follow them back to the ship since they didn't know where it was but he acts like there was no reason.
The boo saga really shows that Toriyama wanted to stop several times before that. He just had no idea to continue and the publishers forced him to do so anyway.
The show was supposed to end with Cell but by that point DBZ was too popular to kill. Then it was supposed to end with Gohan beating Super Buu, but the editors didn't like that so he had to keep it going. By the time we got to Kid Buu Toriyama was just making stuff up.
Then Shonen wasn't gonna let DBZ end because it was a billion dollar IP so they made Super.
DB will probably never end. It's just too popular. Too many people are spending too much money for this to end.
@@LSgaming201 DB Super is trash. DB has been in decline since the Buu arc. Sad.
At happened in Naruto as well they were rushing kishimoto to end and introduce kagua to set up for boruto like chapter 700 kishimoto wanted to end at chapter 699 and never continue because he was tired and even he missed his father ferinal his dad passed away during the war arc
@@ayhamahmad2277 Geez really? That is honestly so sad to hear....
@@greatestnitemare6626 well that is not true db super has some good moments watch totally not mark's review on db super
You said Super Buu was the most boring when characters like Jiren exist lmfao
I think he meant compared to other Z villians, not Super
Always did found it strange how Gotenks acted during the entire arc. How would Trunks react knowing his mom died? His personality would make him not accept it, and fight back. Goten is innocent as Kid Goku. His dad left, he believed he lost his older brother, and lost his mother. You would expect him to have an outrageous moment similar to Gohan. Gotenks? He could give less of a flying heck, if that means he can show boat how “strong.” He is. Then I see Vegito, and go “is this just a fusion thing?” Then Go back to Gotenks and realize their personality do not match. Maybe trunks, but at least have Goten’s kindness be more effective on how serious the situation is.
I always thought of it as the massive power up bringing out and emphasizing the saiyan DNA in them.
Apparently the Metamorean fusion makes you more arrogant and careless than the Potara fusion does.
@@mitchfletcher2386 idk man
@@mitchfletcher2386 nah
The fusion characters were the final nail in the coffin, really. They take nothing seriously and, as a consequence, neither can the audience.
The Buu arc had a lot of great ideas and moments, but as a kid I had somehow filtered a lot of the bad out. Rewatching it as an adult is a little painful.
Honestly haven’t started the vid yet but your 100% correct, I remember liking parts as a kid and totally “blocking” out certain parts
Right like gotenks super saiyan 3 fusion made up for the lack luster parts
When you're a kid all the transformations and fights are really cool, like fantasy battles I guess. It just seems kinda hollow as an adult
@@grasspatchkid6751 Yep! You find it so imaginative and enamoring as a kid, but as an adult you realize that Toriyama-san had tried to outwrite his own abilities and just ended up shortsightedly throwing way too much stuff that never paid off at the wall.
Not to say Toriyama is bad, the man's a living legend. But storytelling was never anything he was the incredible at. It was usually fun and serviceable at its worst, up until the buu saga.
I read dbz and owned all the books, buu saga was my favorite by far, but maybe I just liked buu himself the most lol
Gotenks made me want to stop watching so much if he didn't get absorbed by Buu I might have never finished Z. It was that bad. The series didn't get better until Kid Buu showed up.
one thing that annoyed the shit out of me in that arc is how often Kid Buu gets destroyed, everyone but Picollo watching celebrates his defeat, only to be shocked when he reforms. IT HAPPENS OVER AND OVER and everyone seems to forget Buu can reform.
That was the point of the buu saga. Buu was an unstoppable killing machine
@infoage265 I don't mind that he's unstoppable, it's the fact that no-one seemed to catch on to that despite it being obvious after the first time he was shown to be unstoppable.
My main gripe witb the Buu saga is the antagonist's motivations.
Vegeta wanted the Dragon Balls to achieve immortality.
Frieza wanted the Dragon Balls to achieve immortality.
Cell wanted to achieve perfection and test his perfection against the strongest warrior.
Buu wanted... WTF did Buu want?
Buu was a force of nature.
Depends on what Buu you are talking about. I suppose it depends on the beings that he has absorbed as they tend to influence his wants and desires.
The completely undiluted Kid Buu doesn't want anything other than to kill and destroy.
Majin Buu wants chocolate and to play with his dog.
Buu wanted sweets. Then he wanted to fight someone. Then he wanted to destroy the world. Any other version of buu other than fat buu is so shit.
If we're talking about Kid Buu (his original form), he don't want nothing. He destroy planets just because his instinct. Different of Frieza, that know he's an evil guy and don't cares, Kid Boo IS the evil
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There's nothing wrong with the name "Hyperbolic Time Chamber." It describes exactly what it is lol
yeah "room of spirit & time" is a far less fitting name imo. That makes it sound like some normal room where u do yoga lol
its a room that makes time hyperbolic when you walk inside
It sounds dumb.
Because he’s trying to start arguments for no reason. Everybody calls it the hyperbolic time chamber.
That name always sounded cool to me. Lol.
I can excuse the problems with majin vegeta because it brought us some of the best ENG dub acting in anime history. Chris Sabat’s finest, amazing delivery.
“I PUSHED MYSELF TO THE EDGE OF MY LIMITS AND BEYOND, YET NO AMOUNT OF TRAINING COULD CLOSE THE GAP BETWEEN US…”
One thing I might say theBuu Saga does "better" than the rest of Z. Is working as more of a traditional kids cartoon like adventure time, steven universe or the like. On that maybe does kind of tell a continuous story, but really it is more just a bunch of adventures stitched together. I grew up not only watching DBZ, but watching a continuous stream of DBZ reruns. And the boo saga in particular is structured in a way in which is kind of fine to just jump in on any given moment. There is so much happening during that saga, so many stories that start and are completely done in a couple of episodes. Like the great saiyaman episodes, the tournament, fighting babidi's minions, majin boo and Mr. Satan becoming friends, the fusion stuff, the other fusion stuff, and all mixed with a lot of comedy to break up the drama, in that regard it feels a bit like the original Dragon Ball. The other sagas have way better story, but if you watch some random episode casually you always feel like you jumped in in the middle of something. I mean no joke, the main frieza fight between frieza and the gang is like 25 episodes. All of them of non-stop continuous tension, no jokes to be had, you just jump into the middle of a very serious fight, including some serious character deaths and the like.
I feel this might be a reason why the Boo saga was so beloved while airing... but to modern fans and anime conventions is the lowest point. Because people don't watch dragon ball casually on their tvs anymore. It is not just another show on the TV, it is this legendary anime with the legendary story and the final ark just never reaches that level.
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To be fair, Buu separating his body into two makes sense when you realize he’s a giant taffy demon who can make people into chocolate, absorb people and also bring things back to life. Lol
You are wrong about angry fans because Gohan was the main focus early in this arc. Toriyama tried, but the experiment failed. Gohan is too much of a reactionary character
Well yeah, because Gohan was written passively. There's precisely zero about what we have in pre-Buu that tells us that Gohan has to be passive, they could super readily have written an active go getter Gohan for the Buu saga
yeh people wanted to see goku more and the use of super sayian 3
It's a popular misconception, true. However, Toriyama had put all his eggs into one basket by that point. The entire narrative, starting with Raditz' arrival, hinged on Gohan being the main character eventually.
@@DraculaCronqvist Then they clearly knew the track that they were going towards, so why stop? Would it have been so ludicrous to have Gohan NOT be the main character even though he’s had way more character growth than Goku has in all of Dragon Ball? It would’ve been an amazing opportunity for them to be passing the torch to a respectable character that has potential of becoming the next main protagonist. But that was all wasted over dumb shit that this arc has shown unfortunately :/
@@codered1132 goku should have stayed dead idk about vegeta other characters should have more development. how the beginning of the saga started with him in high school on should have went with that
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I just had to "buts" in parts that are not a big deal. I think Goku wouldn't be able to teleport to Capsule Corp because there was no significant ki for him to lock on. The fact that Trunks got to go there is not ideal, but he is the one who lives there, so he would know where the radar is.
About the absorption part, seems consistent that eating people is not the same thing as absorbing them with that goo.
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Thank you for making the "Gohan became Vegita" argument. I always HATED that Gohan became an arrogant jerk every time he got a power up. I remember that Goku did something similar by letting Freeza powerup when he became super saiyan, but it never felt the same level of arrogance. It was a stupid move that more often than not all saiyans make and blows up in their faces, but it never felt quite like Vegita's and Gohan's arrogant moments.
It always pissed me off, because they. Never. LEARN! You would think Gohan would get it very clear, after that time when being an arrogant little sh*t with Cell ended up killing his father... but nope. Let him inherit the most infuriating thing about saiyans and bump it to Vegita levels...
“What is this shit, genetic?!”
TFS Gohan, coming to this very realization
I meant, It's in their Saiyan blood bro, chill
Gohan's behavior during the Cell Saga is a horrible example. He was 11. You expect an 11 year-old to have the emotional maturity to handle such an immense (and up to that point never-before-seen) power-up, while also dealing with the emotional instability that comes with being a teen, while also being tasked with saving the world from (at that point) the strongest life-form ever seen? The one that killed your father, who was believed to be the strongest fighter alive? That you JUST WATCHED die? Yeah, no. That's ridiculously unfair criticism.
Also, while I get where you're coming from with adult Gohan not knowing better, literally every Saiyan given screen time in the DBZ acted the same way when they perceived themselves to be stronger than their opponent. Goku? Yup. Raditz? Yup. Nappa? Yup. Vegeta? Yup. Trunks? Yup. The only one who hasn't displayed any arrogance toward an opponent they thought they were stronger than is Goten, but even he technically did when he was part of Gotenks. It's literally genetic.
@@richardsinclair7661
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1) Who gives a shit about Nappa and Raditz, honestly? they were arrogant jerks, and they got killed for it. End of story with those two.
2) I never said I expected Gohan to be mature at age 11. I said I expected adult Gohan to know better AFTER that trauma. And in that moment Gohan was more angry than arrogant. He wanted to beat the shit out of Cell and make him suffer for what he did, more than he wanted to show off his power like Vegita does. So, I'm really not calling him out on that. I would've had probably done the same. I'm JUST calling Adult Gohan out on his BS, and I don't accept any buts or butts on this. He was a twat, and I'm glad he lost.
3) And my main criticism to ALL of them, is that they never fucking learn. Especially Vegita. After getting his ass kicked over, and over, during the Saiyan Saga and the Freezer Saga, you'll think he'll stop being such an arrogant twat. But he just seems to be getting worse and worse. I love that he's a proud warrior, but for fucks sake, man!! There is a fine line between being proud and being a stupid twat. Even Goku learned from his stupidity when he warned Gohan not to make Cell and Bu angry. It's just annoying on a character development point of view.
@@richardsinclair7661 Trunks - his future self, at least - acts a bit arrogant against the opponents he outclasses, but unlike the rest of these examples, he actually doesn't waste time against them. Mecha Frieza, Future 17 & 18, and Future Cell were all eliminated with like three attacks each: he taunted them, but didn't play around and went for the kill almost immediately.
*We don't talk about Present Trunks.*
Either way, Future Trunks - the only other adult hybrid we know - actually getting shit done when he can just makes Ultimate Gohan look even dumber.
Just want to clear up one thing.
There’s a difference between Buu absorbing people & eating people. For him to absorb your powers he needs to use his goo thing to incase you in goop so he can integrate you into his body. When he turns you into food & eats you, you just die. That’s why Dabura, 18, Videl, & Chichi were all in other world while Piccolo, Gohan, & Gotenks were inside of Buu. The only exception to that rule is Evil Buu eating Fat Buu I guess because they’re the same species.
Apparently turning someone into food DOESN'T kill them and Buu can revert the transformation at any time, according to GT
Makes sense that you need them to be alive,to be able to use their powers. Also its dragon ball its all magic and shiet lol
@@boogaloobender3462
so thats why he wasn't in the T.O.P because he could just turn everyone into food and throw them out the arena
Think the best explanation is that he can absorb in both ways but chooses who to absorb and who to digest. He'll grab someone and put them in a pod if he wants to absorb them or just leave them to digest if he just wanted to eat them.
Candy Beam absorbs their ki/power similiar to Cell's absorbtion technique.
Absorption technique is a better version and allows Buu to gain your memories and your techniques.
Dude I'm suffering in pain listening to this while trying to rest and restore u entertained me thank you for tonight
This is a pretty entertaining review of DBZ hope you do more of these.
The story quality went down but the art quality in the Buu Saga was the absolute best it had ever been. That includes DBS and DBGT.
You’re joking right?
@@kingcrimson1222 no. They’re not joking. I kind of see what they’re saying but they’re also still wrong. DBZ’s art peaked since Cell Saga. That’s when Yamamuro joined.
@@amuroray9115 i preferred saiyan saga art idk why but it appealed better.
GT actually had some pretty good art though. They were still animating back then and hadn't yet switched to underpaid Korean interns drawing on tablets being given a day to work on each episode.
not better than GT too
I do love the Great Saiyaman because he is exactly what a 17 year old thinks a super hero should look like. Great video.
Concerning the part at 47:25, I'm not sure what the manga, or the Kai dub says about the Room of Spirit & Time (I've never read the manga, or watched Kai in its entirety), but in the Funimation dub of Z, it's stated in this part of the arc that 1 minute outside of the room is equivalent to 6 hours inside the room. Just want to help possibly clear up any confusion.
Although I agree on the fact that the Buu saga is very messy and all that, I’d like to counter on a major point: Goku’s development throughout Dragon Ball, and it apparently being betrayed at the end of the Buu saga. First of all, Goku didn’t learn mercy from King Kai. He always was merciful, in the sense that he always had respect for life and the world around him, thanks to his upbringing with old Gohan. A turning point was his training with Kami, where he grew older and wiser in more ways than one, and this is where we get the Goku that is willing to spare Piccolo, Vegeta and even Frieza, because the child-like ferocity he fought with as a child has been mitigated. Where once he wouldn’t have stopped to think “hey, I’m taking a life here”, now he does, and won’t go through with it if he deems it not necessary.
Then come the Androids. First things first, the theme of the Androids saga is not that violence/fighting isn’t the answer. The theme is that a parent must see his child as a separate individual and not project his own shadow over him. I mean, who’s the villain who starts it all? Dr. Gero, a degenerate “father” who literally programs his children/creatures with HIS life purpose imprinted in their brains. When you think about it, it’s pretty straightforward. Cell, Gero’s ultimate “child”, a Frankenstein monster with no soul, made up by the good doctor with literal pieces of other individuals, is defeated by a father (Goku) loving and trusting his son fully, and by another father (Vegeta) setting his pride aside to avenge his fallen son, having finally realized that he loved Trunks for who he was, not just as an extension of himself. The theme is parenthood. If the Frieza saga had made Goku into a complete warrior, the Cell saga has made him into a complete father. Which leads me to the Buu saga.
Unlike Frieza, who is pure arrogance and cruelty, and Cell, who is pure “falsity”, pure lack of individuality and soul, Majin Buu is pure lack of wisdom, education and experience. Something all his forms have in common, something that defines Buu’s character as a whole, is his extreme naivety. Even when he grows more sophisticated through absorbing people, that is just experience he stole from others, he didn’t earn anything. Imagine what Goku could have turned into if he still had his post-amnesia purity of heart, but NO ONE to guide him. That is Buu. Which is why now, indeed, “violence is not the answer” is the theme of the story. Buu is momentarily put down through force, yes (and even then by the Genkidama, a symbol of love and hope), but Goku goes out of his way to ask that he gets a second chance, because he understands this isn’t a complete monster, it’s just a clueless child who didn’t know any better. A child who could very much have been him, without his friends, family and mentors by his side.
And so, Dragon Ball concludes with Goku putting all the qualities he learned during his long journey to the best use: giving Buu the chance no one ever gave him in his previous life, giving that clueless child a chance to grow up. I don’t think our hero’s characterization is betrayed in any way, and hell, I think this ending is nothing short of beautiful.
Sorry for the long comment😅
(and as for why Goku left his children, dude, they grew up, Gohan’s not 4 anymore😂)
Not true.
The only problem with the Buu saga is that we weren't told from the beginning that Buu has forms (Evil and Pure). If Kaioshin in episode 233 said that Buu has 2 more forms in his arsenal, then everything would be in order.
@@Grin-dq9lw how would he know?
Completely resonate with what you've said here, it was always one of my favorite arcs
i agree completely with your analysis, but still for me goku setting aside his family, which he has for the longest time neglected feels a little off, even if everything else checks out i dont like it as an ending
Was gonna read this until I hit read more
I loved Majin Buu, the Saga had Vegeta's redemption ark, also Buu was so unpredictable! He was the only one who actually destroyed the Earth and killed most of the Z warriors.
I loved buu too!! It made me appreciate nice buu in DBS! And I loved gotenks
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I strongly believe that Toriyama pulled SSJ3 out the wood works considering that up until SSJ3s debut they never had an in-universe for SSJ2; it was just simply referred to "suprassing the SSJ form" or "Super Super Saiyan"
Bulma can't rebuiled the dragon radar with West City destroyed. All of her technology is in her home city.
i know i got that and a few other things wrong
Well she was able to build one out of pretty much nothing during (I think) the King Piccolo saga while stuck at Kane House
The saiyamn saga was one of my absolute favorite in the series. It was so much fun.
Facts
Felt kind of nostalgic
It was the worst part.
It was light hearted and really fun.
Damn straight. I’d watch an entire side series of Gohan going to school and fighting crime as an anonymous superhero. Too bad the ark goes down the crapper with the tournament and it only gets worse and worse. The second evil Buu appears I just skip the rest until AT LEAST Kid Buu.
I appreciate your summary of what Goku learned at the end of each season. It actually helps me understand him better. I only remember Piccolo just gasping in horror the whole season, and it was really frustrating that his character turned into that.
Man I just recently reread this arc from front to back and I loved it! Rereading the buu saga cemented it as my favorite arc. Toriyama is obviously having a blast and this arc has many of my favorite moments and abilities of dragonball. I think this final arc is a perfect marriage of early Dragonball and the Dragonball Z section of tue story.
Feel like it would be incredibly dumb for goku to still only be a super saiyan in buu saga. He's been training only, nonstop for years now. He should be the strongest.
Looking back at the Buu Saga, yeah it's not great, but it has it's moments. Good Buu is definitely one of the best villains in the Dragon World. His childlike nature and creative powers makes him very unique and fun. And his time with Mr. Satan is just amazing!
Good Buu is not a villain.
@@godnyx117 hes a misguided antagonist
@@godnyx117 I mean he killed a lot of people
@@Deathmare235 and people kill ants does that make them murderers ?
@@mermer2811 people aren't ants, it's murder to kill people, not ants lmao
What really did for me was when Goku messes with the planet, destroying the environment and almost earth to turn super sayian 3, and then he says “I’m a man of curiosity” like wtf does that even mean.
Eh, there was no danger. Earth shaked for like 30 seconds while he was transforming. That's all
the anime did add extra shit, but it does that all the time lol
There were millions dead at that point he was doing everything to stall Majin buu so trunks can find the dragon radar and wish everybody back to life. Piccolo told buu to.kill everyone on earth just to buy time for gotenks. Because they're going to fix everything with the dragon balls once they kill buu
@@kylemonsterdrywallfistbump5948 the dragon radar goku couldve teleported to
@@slimeballsoul dragon radar doesn’t have a power level. Instant transmission can only teleport himself to other power levels. That’s why trunks had to go because he’d be the only one who knows where it’s at
@@kylemonsterdrywallfistbump5948 exactly who’s gonna worry for the environment when a huge chunk of humanity was wiped out
Hears voice*
“Do I really wanna sit through an hour of this?”
Nope
Honestly if we wanted to avoid giving Goku unnecessary power boosts during both the Majin Vegetable fight and the Fat Gum fight we could have just convined Kaioken with super saiyan during the Vegeta fight, not just as a call back but also to show that Goku is struggling to keep up and needs to resort to a technique that would harm him but since he's dead it doesn't affect him as much (similar to that thing SSJ3 does) and during the Buu fight just have him play defense and use the kaioken speed boost to out maneuver Buu and if you still want Goku to reach a new height here then maybe make it so that he gets worn out but refusing to give up and let all those people die he goes SSJ2. This not only would make SSJ2 more special (as in it doesn't get shafted by 3), it would also make it so Goku didn't just reach a new power beyond anything seen before while dead, it would mantain the main story beats the same, it wouldn't break Goku's character and maybe it would justify why using this technique lowered his time there as the technique was already shown to have negative side effects
Gotenks vs Buu was great. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Buu acts like a kid so him fighting Gotenks comes across like a schoolyard scap between a bully and a loud mouthed underdog. Personally felt like it was a great break from the normal routine of DBZ fights.
Nah gotenks was just backing out some random naruto jutsus after the previous one didn’t work
If the stakes weren't so high, that kind of fight could have been fun, but Gotenks doesn't act like everyone he knows is dead and they're going to be too if the don't step up and win.
@@InfernosReaper while your not wrong you can also argue that them being kids played a huge roll in them not taking it seriously. piccolo was there the whole time to remind them how important it was loll
@@DannyConcepts Being kids only works as an excuse so much. At some point, the situation gets to where *even kids* would step up and stop playing. They went past that point and *still* acted like shitty RPG players instead of actual characters.
@@InfernosReaper not wrong
11:18 it's later explained that the Kaioshin and Kabito let Gohan's energy be stolen so they could then follow Yamu and Spopovich to Babadi's ship, which is hidden underground. Plus you got the Videl sensu bean scene in the wrong spot, it happens before his fight with kabito.
15:11 Kaioshin couldn't have thrown a meteor at Babadi's spaceship as he wasn't around when it touched down on Earth
Generally it's better to use the manga as the thing you're critiquing compared to the anime, as it's the most accurate to the author's original intentions (so filler bits like that cell games recap movie or Dabura saying piccolo isn't "a real demon" aren't present in the manga)
21:55 Kaioshin asking Vegeta why is, again, anime filler and not in the manga. Also, while Goku technically never beat Vegeta in a 1v1 fight, he did surpass him in strength many times in the series, using his acts as Majin Vegeta to show that he's not a good guy isn't really accurate because him blowing up the bleachers is to show that he's bad now, and Goku *did* spare his life way back in the saiyan arc. And in the manga, his speech for hating Goku isn't really a speech but just a few speech bubbles, so pinning this on Toriyama isn't accurate either (the Goku v Vegeta fight is much shorter in the manga and doesn't contain Vegeta's speech for hating Goku there either.)
24:24 I'd argue Goku's transformation doesn't symbolize that some people can't be saved, as even after achieving the transformation, he still tried to spare Frieza. Plus Vegeta and Gohan's super Saiyan one transformations happened off screen in the manga, but I guess they could still symbolize the things you mentioned.
25:40 Yes, the point of this fight is to further characterize Vegeta as evil now, but comparing it to their first fight doesn't work because since then Vegeta has developed as a character. Plus in the manga, the fight is much shorter (only being a couple of pages split up by Gohan and the Kaioshin trying to stop Buu's revival) so your problem with it being drawn out is anime only.
34:40 Goku *has* held back his power when lives were at stake (like during the entire Frieza fight after he turned super saiyan) but yeah, super sayain 3 was made *after* the Goku and Vegeta fight and Toriyama tries to mention/explain this earlier but it just doesn't work. I still think super saiyan 3 is cool, but not for any deep reason.
43:37 Gohan isn't training with the z sword because it's a sword and he can cut up Buu, he's training with it because Kaioshin and Kabito said the one who wielded it would gain an amazing power, and they were holding it would be enough for Gohan to defeat Buu.
44:51/46:40 weird that you bring up Gotenks after super buu is formed and kills everyone, when Gotenks first showed up when buu was still in his first form and before everyone died. Plus you forget to mention Gohan being alive and starting his training with the z sword in the first place.
47:18 the room has enough resources (i.e. food) to support only 2 people at a time, which is why they went in pairs in the cell arc. There's no hard limit on the number of people that can actually go in.
48:23 In the manga, Gotenks only fought buu in base for a page or two, so this is another anime only problem
50:57 As we can see with good Buu and later Super Buu when he fights Gohan, Buu's absorption and candy abilities are entirely different from each other.
51:57 In the manga, super saiyan 3 Gotenks vs super buu is only two chapters, so again anime filler is killing the pacing.
1:04:08 That's not exactly how fusion works, but you are right that potara fusion gives you a stronger end result than the fusion dance.
1:12:50 Uub isn't "literally" a stranger as Goku knows he's the reincarnation of pure buu he mentioned before killing pure buu. That's why he entered the tournament and decided to train Uub in the first place, to meet Uub and get the chance to fight someone strong. It *is* dumb that Goku left his friends and family so suddenly to train Uub but Uub isn't a complete stranger.
Great video though, the Buu saga is definitely the weakest part of the original series. For me it's that way because of the plot holes, dropped plot points, miss used characters, etc. and you could really tell that at this point Toriyama was running on fumes. But I think if you don't think too hard about it it can still be enjoyable to read through. I tried to correct any facts that you got wrong but I largely agreed with a good chunk of your points. Really well edited and really entertaining video :)
This desperately needs to be top comment. Most of this guys arguments are “it’s bad because it is” without further explanation and simply doesn’t pay attention to key details of the plot and uses that as criticisms. This is up there with one of the worst analysis videos and you did a great job revealing most of not all of the holes in his “argument” as to why the buu saga sucks.
@@emarythomp nerd
I wouldn't have the energy to type all this myself so I respect you for it
He ain't gonna read this, all he cares about is shitting on it so other people can shit on it as well.
@@emarythomp You must definitely not have watched the video💀
Your explanation of the Shin and Gohan vs Buu fight had me in tears laughing. Good video, watched the whole damn thing
Thank you for the street fighter third strike music!! I love this arc and also love watching you trash it. Gives me a new perspective thanks man!!
Well im glad someone enjoyed this
I agree that buu saga is worse than cell and frieza but I still have a few problems with this vid, it was obvious goku wanted to fight vegeta, like you said goku fights for his friends, he really doesn’t have to go all out against vegeta, it’s clear he was wanting a fair fight, not to mention it could’ve helped vegeta knowing that him and goku are equal in strength (because he doesn’t know goku has ssj3) which is the whole reason he became majin. For instant transmission to work you have to sense ki, goku couldn’t sense Dr briefs ki from that far away, and so sending trunks isn’t really a problem for me, and goku stayed dead in other world because he felt wherever he is, there is evil, Goku isn’t just gonna stop training, and other world has planets which are 10X normal gravity and stated many times by vegeta that saiyans have no limit to their potential, so the saiyans having all these transformations makes sense, super saiyan 3 as a transformation does look cool although I agree it doesn’t have much depth, other than nature vs nurture purposes which was established in the first super saiyan transformation, another thing I want to mention is that dragon ball characters can lower their ki to make it possible for others to not sense them, although never explained the only logical explanation is that babidi, dabora etc lowered their ki to make the Z fighters not sense them, It makes sense since babidi were sending out fodder to gather ki, another thing I wanted to add is that spopo absorbing gohans ki isn’t a problem to me since we saw the androids like dr gero and Android 19 absorb ki from goku in the prior arcs, as for goku vs fat buu, the whole point of that was not only to stall for trunks but also for buu to disobey babidi, goku has a chat with buu telling buu that he’s much stronger than babidi and doesn’t need to obey everything he says
It's not obvious that Goku wanted a fair fight against Majin Vegeta, when he specifically said that he wanted to end the fight as quickly as possible/at full power in order to avoid getting hurt and transferring that damage energy to Buu's shell. On top of that, he said this while they were both still in SSJ1, then he transformed to SSJ2 and was surprised after Vegeta also transformed. And prior to this scene, there was no indication that Goku knew that Vegeta had ascended past SSJ1. If Goku's explicitly stated top priority was preventing Buu's revival at full power, then why would he arbitrarily limit himself to a fair fight, which would increase his chances of reviving Buu at full power? That doesn't make sense.
Also, Goku specifically told Krillin and Piccolo that he couldn't beat Buu alone because he and Vegeta were equal in strength, and Vegeta couldn't do it. No mention of having another transformation in his pocket, and he states that he intended to fuse with Vegeta before the kids ever came up as a suggestion. So prior to its introduction, there was no indication that SSJ3 existed, or that he didn't use it because he wanted to make Vegeta feel at any type of ease during their fight.
When Vegeta came back and accused Goku of hiding SSJ3 from him during their fight, Goku justified it by saying he was saving it for later, "just in case," but he never specified what he was saving it for. He didn't say anything about appeasing Vegeta or wanting a fair fight. It couldn't have been for Buu either, since he specifically indicated to his friends that FUSION is what he was saving for Buu, and didn't mention SSJ3 to them at all. And why would he save it later for Buu when Buu hadn't even been revived yet? Goku explicitly wanted to avoid giving Buu more energy in the first place, so it makes no sense for him to not use a transformation that would prevent him from taking damage from Vegeta.
Goku didn't want to waste as much energy as he knew he was limited. Instant transmission takes up energy, we just don't know how much aside from GT.
Naruto series lore be like: lets treat every side characters like garrbage n give naruto another kishimotos 1000th plot armours ,plot device kurama , aspulls from hagoromo, sage mode just by sleeping on a top rock, learns rasenshurikan just by playing in a water fall n getts death retcons and a child of prophecy n who doesnt train meanwhile our boi obito gaara konohamaru gai hinata kakashi sasuke n lee even after training doesnt get a win even against a weak villain now dont get me started about kishimotos shiity writting of kunoichis
Piccolo was definitely relevant power wise at the end of the cell saga he was cell junior level that's above semi perfect cell meaning he's the level of Vegeta and trunks almost
being cell junior level is kind of irrelevant when cell was just a few feet away
Cell Jr's are much stronger than semi perfect cell. Look at how much vegeta and trunks struggle with cell Jr's when semi perfect cell couldn't touch them or do any damage to vegeta or trunks.
Piccolo couldn’t have been cell jr level because cell stated that the cell jr’s were equal to vegeta and trunks. Piccolo became quite a bit weaker than super vegeta and super trunks (grade 2). He did put up a good fight though but in the manga IF I’m correct, the z fighters got pummelled aside from trunks and vegeta
piccolo got his ass kicked by imperfect cell after fusing with kami so how do you figure that?
@@ogluqqychess4452 piccolo was much stronger than imperfect cell all the way up until their 2nd encounter after he slurped up hundreds of thousands of other people. Even then after that he got even stronger after training in the hyperbolic time chamber. Goku even acknowledged it when piccolo finished his training. So he became much stronger. We just don't know where to scale him since he didn't even get to fight semi perfect cell. But he did put up a good fight against the cell Jr's who were much stronger than semi perfect cell
Now that TotallyNotMark made his review it was hilarious to see that not even he can defend Gotenks. Only his concept
I actually never noticed SOME of the things you pointed out in this arc and after seeing your points I can understand why this arc kinda doesn’t make sense 😭like the ssj3 being made up out of thin air
Goku did participate in the tournament in other world and I believe had been training with Pikkon so I think that is how he was able to achieve a new form
They should've let Vegeta finish Buu on Earth with his final atonement. From there they could of had a dead Buu somehow regain his body and fight Vegeta and Goku in the other world. They should have made the supreme Kai more powerful than goku and Vegeta. Buu could have absorbed the supreme Kai, forcing Goku and Vegeta to fuse. They should have had Piccolo reach a new power that rivals the Supreme Kai, turning Piccolo into the next Supreme Kai at the end of the series. There is so much that could have been done. It's a real shame.
Because fan service ruined everything this why I hate Shonen
That would be horrible. The point of Vegeta losing is to tear down his superiority complex.
If he wins, then that just validates his arrogance.
@@pn2294 Doesn't matter if his sacrifice meant literally nothing. He also doesnt change as a character after this so its irrelevant
@@godfrey4461 lmao
Might as well just have Buu outright decimate Vegeta then
@@godfrey4461 How does Vegeta not change after his sacrifice ? The whole Majin Vegeta arc was supposed to be therapy from his own demons and after he returned, he became more open, empathetic, selfless, way less of a prick and became cognizant of how his his actions affects others. Most importantly, he went on to swallow his pride and do the right thing several times after coming to terms with what meant most to him.
As a kid, I was pretty indifferent to DBZ during its early years on Cartoon Network, but I eventually got into it pretty well thanks to my brothers. By the time I REALLY got interested in DBZ, The Buu Saga was somewhat past starting, and was perhaps the first saga where I watched like 90% of the saga, so the Buu saga will always have a special place in my heart.
Just the over the top nature of it makes me love the saga, Super Buu in all of his forms is one of the funniest characters ever whether it was intentional or not
1:14:16 You’re review was amazing. Super funny, well recapped, had good points. But this point is totally wrong. The only reason Goku allowed Vegeta to live was because he was excited by the strength Vegeta had and thought it would be a good challenge to fight him again. It’s dumb, I know and Goku’s “saiyan blood” that drives this decision is definitely a tacked on trait by toriyama that comes outta nowhere. Regardless, this IS the only reason Goku lets the villains live. It is because they are a stimulus for Goku to grow stronger. It has nothing to do with forgiveness or mercy
It didn't suck, but I agree that it wasn't as good as it could have been.
It did suck, I don't need anyone to agree with me
Good critiques, but I’d like to nitpick some things about your takes on Buu.
Buu is stated several times to be “magical” which gives him an excuse to have all of the wacky asspull shit like screaming a hole in dimensions. Also an excuse for wacky bullshit, metamoran fusion has been shown with Gotenks and both movie & canon Gogeta to give the fusion unique abilities that they otherwise would not have, like the Stardust Breaker and the Super Ghost Kamikaze Attack. While they are pretty goofy, they aren’t present for no reason, I.e it has been established.
Also Piccolo is one of my favourite characters of the series. I’d like to say that his back seating to Gotenks somewhat makes sense because it continues the theme of the pupil surpassing the master which was present since Goku and his grandfather Gohan (though more famously Goku and Master Roshi). Gotenks’s cocky and zany personality also works as a thematic foil to Super Buu’s new malicious attitude, which in turn was a flip from his happy-go-lucky mannerisms. Kinda cool I guess.
Also the fact that Toriyama was the one who decided to make Goku the mc again since Gohan didn't fit that role.
The fans didn't say anything
The problem with your first defense is. The screaming wasn’t magical. He didn’t make up a spell. He just screamed really loud. That’s an asspull. The second defense I’m fine with for the sake that it has cool factor.
@@tigerheart5087 How do you know his scream isn't magical? And how do you know the screams of magical beings can't have a certain effect on 'reality'? And how do you know the screams of a magical being don't have an effect on magical spheres like the time chamber? I'm honestly curious.
@@chubby0815 Well unless Gotenks and Piccolo are also magical beings, then the scream wasn't magical. Remember, they both had to scream really loud to get out too (Maybe they are, I don't feckin' know)
While I agree with most of your points, there is some stuff that is inaccurate here. Super Buu didn't absorb the people on the lookout, he ate them. Absorption is an entirely is an entirely different technique. Except for when he became one with himself again, somehow.
Honestly he doesn't even know the story of it
Why do you say "is an entirely" two times in a row?
@@fielalmanga probably a type on my phone.
@@imadrunk3576 anyone reviewing dragonball like this guy doesn’t
I always saw it as an absorbtion technique tho. It doesnt absorb their techniques and memories, but the candies he eats from the candy beams does contain their power, hence why Evil Buu turned into Super Buu after eating Majin Buu. You can see it similiar to Cell absorbing People.
Okay, I love your analysis of the themes of Dragon Ball z at the end of video… up to the Cell saga.
I think you missed the point of the Boo saga and its themes, and here’s why:
You are right that Goku learns in the saiyan saga to forgive others, then Freeza teaches him that not everyone deserves mercy, then your analysis of Cell is perfect also! Goku tries to give the fight to Gohan, and Gohan’s nature just isn’t like that, so Goku has to sacrifice himself and learn that not everyone loves to fight like he does.
Here’s the thing: Goku has a RESPONSIBILITY to earth. He is the strongest under the heavens, it is his responsibility to protect his friends and family, and after Cell, HE NEGLECTS this responsibility. The Boo saga fundamentally is Goku trying to reconcile that he has abandoned his responsibility for 7 years. Goku left it unattended, and needs to solve that issue with himself. He is trying to pass the responsibility on to a successor.
The lessons of the Boo saga go with the mini-arcs. He can’t count of Vegeta, Vegeta has other responsibilities. Gohan is not Goku’s successor, because Gohan doesn’t love to fight the way Goku does. He tries to step down to let the next generation- Goten and Trunks take on the threat. Thats the point of Goku using SSJ3, he isn’t trying to beat Boo, he is showing the boys how to fight and use SSJ3. The problem with them is that they are too inexperienced and young and arrogant to handle the threat.
When Goku fights Pure Boo, he realizes they are parallel. You said yourself, Kid Boo just LOVES to hurt people. Goku recognizes that Boo at his core is someone who just loves to fight, the only problem is that he is evil.
When Goku defeats him, his last wish is for someone that can understand him. He wishes for a person like Boo, with a pure heart, and the power to take on the responsibility that Goku holds. In the end, he passes the torch to his successor that the God’s granted him. Thats why I like the Boo arc in it’s themes. Its very well done in handling Goku’s legacy.
i kinda agree, as time has gone one i've really started to loathe this video. which has been hard for me because its the thing im known for.
if you look at it that way, with goku finally finding someone like him, then i think its an okay if rushed conclusion.
the point i was trying to make is how the buu saga effectively conveys the message that the new generation, the gotenks, the gohan's, the videl's. are weak and powerless the story reverts back to goku, after promising us gohan. the overlying theme becomes about how the way of the older generation is right.
at least thats what i was trying to say
i made that video when i was like 17 lol
@@username59564 Yeah I definitely loved the video! Don’t loathe it, its really good and I was cracking up the whole time.
I did agree with your points that the whole arc was terribly paced. Its been forever since I’ve watched it and I laughed because I forgot about the part where they literally just sit and wait for a while while Gotenks is in the room of spirit and time.
Also I see your point that this is where Dragon Ball essentially became “The Goku and Vegeta show”, because it is true that the side characters all don’t do much in Super at all. The characters assassination of Piccolo was hard to watch, and I’m super glad that the new movie gave him back the spotlight!
Let’s all be honest, the original Majin Piccolo idea would have been fire
1:13:55 Goku did not spare Vegeta out of forgiveness, he did it because he wanted to fight him later on, without any help. The english dub changed it to him showing mercy to Vegeta.
Also for anyone that brings up Vegeta mentioning in his 'You are number one' speech, that Goku spared him because he knew he would become good, you should remember that Goku was speaking to Kuririn telepathically, so Vegeta probably just assumed that, which is a funny thought.
Facts
Pretty much. In fact moments after that speech, where he's hyping up Goku, saying he's the best and could absolutely beat Buu, and that Goku fought him alone for the sake of sparing Vegeta from the reality that he couldn't win alone, Vegeta is then dumbfounded that Goku, at the pinnacle of Saiyan strength up to that point, actually doesn't have enough power to finish Buu, and in that same moment realizes that they ALL need to work together to defeat the enemy.
And that makes two underrated things that people miss about the significance of that speech. The first, which people miss and then proceed to complain about the Buu Saga's significance: beforehand Vegeta was a lot more focused on doing things by oneself, i.e. earlier in the arc where he believes that it's up to him to kill Buu, and while he was the last man standing per se, he still didn't get the job done, and neither did Goku, Ultimate Gohan, Vegito, nor Gotenks. The ultimate defeat of Majin Buu comes from a cooperative effort between every character-LITERALLY every character, which is the ultimate theme in the Buu Saga.
And the second: the "You are Number One!" was never meant to mean that Vegeta's completely given up on keeping in league Goku. It WAS that way at first; but Vegeta realizing the next moment that there is no "Strongest Man in the universe" or anything is in of itself an important development for Vegeta. And again, people tend to complain about "Ooooh Vegeta in Super basically never learned from the Buu Saga" because they miss this realization, but if anything it's the opposite: Vegeta develops even FURTHER, he realizes that while Kakarot isn't the strongest in the world or anything and he could totally still surpass him, he has other things worth protecting like a family. That in fact he CAN'T stop training and progressing in this series, no one should, because there's almost always going to be a threat to handle and battles to fight. That's why each and every person should pursue their own path to further awakening. I will admit sometimes Vegeta's character in Super is a bit wobbly and back-and-forth, the consistent path tells one of anything but regression.
But yeah, in general when it comes to the Buu Saga, I have plenty of other qualms with it (i.e. the "asspulls", as well established as they have been since the Namek Saga, are still asspulls and can never beat steadied and metered growth in power in pure satisfaction). It's still not my favorite Saga (Saiyan Saga forever 😤) but people who call it the last of Toriyama's wits and the worst arc in the series simply just don't know their source material.
@@marshoul2717 saiyan saga was pretty good especially as far as build up goes but Namek Arc is still number 1
@@mcbdllc136 Each to their own. Namek Saga is definitely a gripping Saga to read or watch
@@marshoul2717 I completely agree with that. I'm glad to know that at least a few people actually understand Vegeta's character better then most. Vegeta finally started to open up to his more "human" real emotions was when he hugged Trunks for the first time. I feel like for him to have gone from a person stuck in his prideful elite saiyan class persona, to finally accepting a human's redeeming qualities such as love, was a huge progression and development to his character that doesn't really get talked about enough.
I feel like a main theme in the Buu arc was more so what you said in your second paragraph, that it's not up to one person. Goku who was still fixated on trying to move on from trying to save the Earth and passing down the torch to Goten, Trunks, Gohan were all mistakes he realized he made because of their personalities. I think in this arc Goku finally realized that the future of the world (future savior of Earth) is irrelevant if they don't have the right mindset to get the job done (gotenks playing around too much with super buu and gohan getting to cocky with super buu ultimately leading toward their downfall). So with that in mind Goku realized that it was up to him to guide them and the universe in the right direction by finally taking it upon himself to fight Buu head to head rather then to stall for someone else. Then came the beautiful conclusion of getting the entire world itself to defeat Buu after even himself burnt out which was (like you said) the main theme of this entire arc.
I do feel like things could've been handled a bit better in that arc but nonetheless I thought it was definitely up there as one of the best arcs. I still think every other arc beats it but I can't tolerate it being bashed by the majority of its fanbase for reasons like Gohan not being the main character and things of that nature.
I will have to say though that I would like to see an elaboration on why DBS Vegeta shouldn't be regarded as a character regression because that's something I think Super messed up pretty largely. I feel like Vegeta's whole character progression throughout Z gets regressed in super mainly because of his continued fixation on surpassing Goku when it's been established at the end of Buu saga that he's move on from that. So I would like to hear more about why you think he actually "developed further"?
32:55 …. It’s Goku states HIMSELF that he can only use instant transmission when he focuses on someone else’s ki. ( he has to know this person as well and yes he states this as well ) someone would have to be in the area for him to get the dragon radar. He literally says this when he’s demonstrating the technique to everyone after trunks kills frieza lol
I think Dr. Briefs or Bulma's mom both qualify. Yeah. Just a bad writing plothole.
@@floodinmon14 true. I was thinking about that when I was writing but he could’ve easily went and teleported to them but ig plot needed ssj3 to happen right then and there lol
Bro they threw that rule out in dbs...
That's why he used the DBS clip alongside this argument. It's not consistent
@@QuiluaH but that would be a criticism of super, not z
I just wanna say this video posed me off before I even clicked on it. Now I’m here for the journey
The buu arc definitely has some issues but it feels like there are a ton of nitpicks about things that are even explained later in the arc. Goku says that he was strong enough to kill Buu when he went SS3 but wanted the boys to do it since he wasn’t around anymore. He had trunks get the radar and fought buu because he figured buu would want to wait for a strong fight and that he’d kill Babadi. Goku literally set that up after the fight. This stuff is totally in character for Goku. I.e. Cell and the Senzu bean. He didn’t go SS3 against vegeta for the same reason that you even said. He was trying to talk him down. Multiple times. Goku let him go once before. He wasn’t exactly looking for a death match with him.
How is goku gonna instant transmission to the dragon radar anyways?
@@hamburglar3Bulma's family literally live in the city and in the same house pretty much.
Stop defending this garbage arc
@galaxyvulture6649 that's not how Instant transmission works. Goku needs to lock onto somebody. The briefs are about as strong as anybody else in the city. He couldn't parse them out from anybody else in the city, let alone the rest of the world. It's like trying to pick out a tree from a forest while you're in the next town over.
The whole Kabito having Gohan powered up was literally answered in the show. They literally made a point to explain that Shin didn’t know where Babadi’s ship and Majin Buu were, so they used Gohan to bait them to take energy to allow Shin to follow them to the base.
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@@mikage6904 He was dealing with an actual wizard. He could easily mask it or something.
I think the point, moreso, was that, if they *needed* Gohan's energy, *why* did they let him get drained? They were confident Gohan was the target, and if someone else could've sufficed, then it would be odd for them to have this whole plan anyway. So I end up agreeing with this point: if Shin weren't braindead, he could've found Babidi another way and/or could've warned Gohan and company against letting it happen. If he really believed that the threat was that real, and really believed the Z fighters were that strong, then his plan doesn't really make sense. It's an idiot plot for sure, though I almost give Toriyama credit for that one as Shin really is an idiot.
@@connorrichard9851 Uhhh isn't the entire point of Goku/Vegeta/Gohan entering babidi's ship is to show that Shin was under the impression that saiyans are strong, but not nearly as strong as he thought. They were confident about gohan being a target because during cell saga he showed yuge power and hey, if they heal him, they will have a powerful fighter to help them stop babidi anyways.
Not sure what other way he could have found babidi's ship. If Shin warned gohan then what? If they fight back against the 2 weaklings then they will very doubtfully just return to babidi, they still need the energy. If Gohan doesn't fight back, then there is pretty much no difference between what happend and what would happen now.
@@runelt99 Again, apparently, they need Gohan's energy, yes? As a super Saiyan no less. He can simply not transform, and Buu remains asleep.
How could they have found Babidi's ship? Dragon balls. If Shin's head wasn't shoved too far up his own ass, he could have just appealed to the z fighters for help, and the dragon balls could have been gathered in like, what, 10 minutes?
The only reason this didn't happen is because Shin, for no good reason, thought this one specific plan was definitely the best and only option.
an hour of missing clear plot points and crying about not personally finding something funny instead of moving on to something that isn't 100% completely subjective. there's a lot of flaws with the arc but you spend much more time arguing in bad faith against things that are actually explained
The dude’s such a pessimistic crybaby who hates fucking everything to do with this arc
This video just proves my points on why the constant hate against the buu saga is stupid, its actually impossible for some people to just have fun with fun
Yea, they try to make too much sense of everything, its a show for entertainment. With this thinking, they could just gather the dragon balls and every time a threat shows up just wish it away. But then we wouldn't have the series we all know and love. Plus he is incorrect on a few things such as Goku not having good training in the afterlife..guess we forgot Pikkon. And buu splitting his essence was explained
If Super Buu is Evil Buu absorbing Good Buu then when Good Buu is removed, why doesnt it revert to Evil Buu? Why is Pure Buu Super Buu minus Good Buu when Super Buu was only ever just Good and Evil Buu anyway? That's what I never understood.
I don't understand what they hell you just said.
The Buu Saga is where the absolutely ABYSMAL treatment of Piccolo began.
Prebuu arc and top arc picolo:laughs