The older I get, the more I love the idea of how Batman and Superman are basically ideologically different and even fight at times, but still are essential best friends, or even more like brothers who work together for the common good
Ha even in supermans earnestness and batman being edgy. Its a wholesome and funny relationship. I love enemy number one for being about that mostly. and supes lovingly embarassing bruce isnever not funny.
@@mecahhannah There was also a comic that came out a few years where Superman and Batman go on a double date at a super hero themed fair with their respective significant others: Lois Lane and Selina Kyle (this was when she and Bruce Wayne were engaged). The fair had a policy that attendees wear costumes, so Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent switch costumes (to protect their secret identities) along with Lois Lane wearing the Catwoman suit and Selina Kyle wore whatever Lois came with. The episode gives the two the chance to do some friendly ribbing with brooding Bruce dressed as cheerful Superman and dorky Clark dressed as Batman (even having the glasses set on the cowl). They also mock that line from Man of Steel where "the S stands for Hope."
"You'll outlive us all Bruce. You're too stubborn to die." My favorite Superman line and all the physical trauma he endured as Batman and still living into like his 80s- 90s.... might not be wrong 😂
Clark yelling “Batman!” And hugging him, and Bruce just being like, “….Am I missing something?” Is one of my all-time favorite moments between these two, and them together is one of my all time favorite team ups!❤
What really impresses me about the relationship between Batman and Superman in the DCAU and the DCAU in general is that none of this was planned out. The DCAU wasn't like the MCU, they didn't have the backing of WB to create a huge interconnected universe. They never knew if a show was going to get renewed for another season. If a DCAU show got a viewership drop or even if they had poor toy sales for a quarter, the show would be at risk of cancellation. But despite never knowing if their shows would get renewed, they were able to build theses relationships and plotlines through multiple shows. And they were able to connect ongoing stories with one off episodes that were never intended to be part of an arc.
What they did was have more than half a damn about the history & characters. It's become painfully clear that this is not present in the MCU anymore, as established characters have started changing in stupid ways
The show runners and writers of the DCAU focused on characters and storytelling, and they were free to explore different types of stories. For both the MCU and the DCEU, the focus is on ticket sales and merchandising, and there's a lot less freedom for story telling.
@@TonyGiannamore yep, they were always at risk of cancelation so they had their foot slammed on the gas pedal the whole time. Makes for damn good television
3:16 "Have you spoken to him?" "He doesn't handle loss very well." God, that's heartbreaking. Knowing that every time Bruce loses a loved one, it's like he's back in crime alley all over again. The relief he must have felt inside when Clark wasn't dead... I can't even imagine.
I couldn't help but laugh my ass off at that line, as heavy as it is, because I just kept thinking, "yeah no shit he doesn't handle loss well, he handled the loss of his parents by becoming an insomnia-stricken ninja detective who dresses like a bat." Guy gets UPSET
@@MysteryStew5977 yeah, I mean having your parents gunned down before your eyes at 8 years old is pretty fucked up. That’s PTSD that will never go away.
@@MysteryStew5977 Batman loves strong. His love is still the love of a child. He's traumatised, but when he lets people in... It can break him, or complete him.
The friendship built is so iconic and so subtle it becomes one of the most amazing things ever. People are quick to want to make them fight and so forth, but it's what makes them the same, yet different, that really makes these two so iconic. Even in the future of Batman Beyond when Bruce has been left all alone, his relationships strained, he still has a good bond with Superman.
Everytime they pit superheroes against each other, specially Bruce and Clark. I often ask "Why do you like fighting your friend?" Cause that's basically what they ask for when they do that. They want Bruce to fight his friend cause somehow, that is way more interesting than him fighting a clown every Tuesday.
But they decided to hand it over to Zack Snyder, who is a very competent director when it comes to visual style, but doesn’t understand characters or their motivations.
I’ve always thought of Superman and Batman as best friends. Bruce isn’t afraid of Clark’s power and feels he needs to defeat him. He trusts him with his life. Sure, he has plans if Superman is turned, but he relies on him more than fears. Stories of Batman disliking Superman and his power are too common these days. He’s not Lex Luthor
No fr, I am so sick and tired of the ol' "superheroes fighting each other" cliche. We need the old dynamic duo that we grew up with. Batman and Superman aren't supposed to be enemies but stories like TDKR and Injustice just kinda ruined it. It also didn't help with Snyder's alteration of the characters either.
@@donlalo2002 and even if they don’t like each other, in most versions, they’re the type to willingly work together. The injustice story doesn’t really work because they had to force superman into a long term villain in a way that wouldn’t actually be enough to break his spirit. And then they have batman act almost like a saint, despite his character usually being the one doing good things but not in a good manner compared to others. The story idea can work out, but not in the way it was executed.
Yeah Zack Snyder dropped the ball with the DCEU by making their first interactions be a literal death match. Really destroyed the potential of their relationship before it even started
Ironically enough that's likely what Lex Luthor is, a reflection of what Batman would be if he was obsessed with Clark's power. It's weird tbh @Dan Lalo tbf TDKR was before this cartoon, I think some people just became obsessed with the idea.
one of my favorite details when Superman "dies" is that even though Batman didn't go to the funeral, you can still see Alfred and one the robins (Tim maybe??) in the background attending.
In the comic it’s even sadder. When Diana goes to Bruce to ask why he wasn’t at the funeral, he just replies in a solemn tone “he’s not dead” and you see briefly a single tear fall from his eye.
@@maryzerey3295 I am guessing they're talking about Justice League of America vol.2 #0 (the one that came out in 2006) it had a bunch of small stories about Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman and one of them was Diana going to Bruce asking him if Superman was really dead and he tells her he's not dead and that he'll be back. You can see that he's crying but it's pretty subtle.
There's this scene about their friendship, with one line that always gives me goosebumbs - it's from Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, so technically not really DCAU canon, but still it really fits with this: Batman decides to get into a rocket about to be launched to steer it towards a huge meteor headed for earth, in order to destroy that meteor by crashing the rocket into it. Batman does this because moments before, Luthor destroyed the machine that would serve as an auto-pilot/guidance system for the rocket, so the rocket can no longer reach the meteor on its own. Crashing into that meteor with said rocket would, of course, be fatal for Batman. Superman, already weakened at this point due to exposure to the kryptonite rays from Luthor's mech suit, fails to stop Batman from getting into cockpit, once again due to Luthor's interference and the last thing Superman hears is Batman telling him Good Bye. Superman manages to prevent Luthor from stoping the rocket's launch, but can only watch the rocket take off, with Batman on it, as it flies Batman to his certain death. After this, Superman stares down Luthor, cold-voiced tells him "That man is my best friend. And you just killed him!" and begins to lay the smack down on him, despite being weakened and exhausted.
Kind of reminds me of this comic (don't remember which) where someone was in the Batmobile and they apologized to Batman because Superman was their favorite superhero. Batman just smiled and said "He's mine, too."
@@nucleonegro9762in Dawn of Justice, the in-universe explanation is that Superman is a rookie trying to help; and Batman is a hardened veteran who has grown cynical and despairing. It also does not help that Batman witnessed the destructive capabilities of the Kryptonians through one the battles affecting Gotham, intending to neutralize Superman out of an existential standpoint. Out-universe, Warner Bros was desperate to catch up to Marvel Studios.
@@DarsiPadillayeah that version of batman in dawn of justice was supposed 2 b like the batman from 2 part animated film, “the dark knight returns” but with batman about a decade younger, & pretty everything u described.
It reminds me of when Clark was talking to Jon. He admitted that sometimes Batman really pisses him off at time and how difficult it can be to work with him. But then and I quote "He does the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And then he does again." A part the reason he trusts Bruce so much and respects him. Anyone who sees him as just a guy in a batsuit do not understand what their playing with. Luthor found that out during the crossover to when Batman appearing almost made him shit himself.
I remember reading this one graphic novel where it was just Batman vs. Luthor doing a corporate takeover of Wayne Enterprises and finding it hilarious how much Luthor underestimates the ability of this 'nutcase in a costume' (his words) to mess up his careful plans and how incredibly pissed off Lex gets when Bats succeeds.
Someone once wrote that Superman and Batman were archetypes, mirror images of each other. Superman is the alien who makes good, superpowered and sees the world as a good place. Batman is the native, no powers and sees the world as a dark and dangerous place. Superman wants to make the world a better place by helping people... Batman wants to make the world a better place by putting the bad guys behind bars. Superman doesn't kill because he doesn't want to. Batman doesn't kill because he is afraid of what he would turn into if he ever did.
Thank you, it drives me crazy that so many members of the bat-family don't seem to understand that batman doesn't kill because he is afraid of what he will become if he starts and he is not wrong every instance of Batman killing creates a dark timeline. He almost took out the multiverse!
You don't seem to understand batman. He wants to prevent anyone from experiencing similar trauma to him, so he tries to help anyone. He's not out to get revenge of bad guys, he's out to prevent bad guys from harming people, that's why Bruce invests in rehabilitation programs like firing the fascist guard at Arkham, providing housing for the ventriloquist after he was released from Arkham, paying for two face's surgery. Batman's whole thing is rehabilitation over punishment, since the best way to defeat an enemy is to make them your friend
@@elijahknox4421 I mean I agree with this statement too they are not mutually exclusive. Batman can be afraid of what he is capable of and want to prevent suffering. Even the suffering of his villains. It reminds me of a Dr Who quote "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." There is no one not even his adversaries who would argue that the Doctor doesn't want to minimize the suffering of others. And despite his jolly outside the Doctor is covering a deep well of pain. But like Batman he is constantly holding himself back because he doesn't view himself as a good person and knows he is capable of massive destruction. Batman even says when Superman is mind controlled by poison ivy "deep down Clark is a good person and deep down I am not." I am not saying Batman is a bad person, I think he is a good person but Batman doesn't view himself as a good person.
@@ChemAngel3 That's good, I like it. In religious terms, Superman is the atheist who believes people are basically good; Batman is the Christian who believes people are basically bad. But Batman believes in the ability to choose a different path, to reform, to be good by choice.
Notice how when they both are working together, they are virtually an unstoppable force. When one of them starts straying towards the dark, the other will be there to bring them right back out of it, or die trying. They will always be the worlds finest.
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This version, plus the ones from Superman/Batman Public Enemies and JL Doom represent the main thing that makes them such iconic duo and what BvS failed to captured: Their friendship. Despite their different methods, both heroes understand each other, having mutual respect, and are capable of working together for the common good.
For the record, I feel the same way about Captain America and Iron Man. Two very different heroes who are still good friends with deep respect for each other. Edit: I haven’t seen BvS (don’t like Snyder’s stuff), but considering it was called BvS, I don’t really think it needed to capture their friendship. I guess it could’ve started their friendship tho, and the sequels should’ve absolutely expanded on it.
Well to be fair, BVS was the origin to their story of meeting each other. Zack Snyder's Justice League fixed that and could have really made their friendship blossom. Superman helped Bruce find his humanity again and Bruce never stopped believing in Superman(after his death) and believed more than the other league members that he could be brought back. Superman was given a second chance at life to be the hero Earth needed him to be and it was because of Bruce's faith in him. The last scene Clark and Bruce share together could have really been the start of a beautiful friendship. The only thing I gripe about is Superman's eventual turn but regardless, ZSJL could have been the point where we got a more classic Superman and Batman friendship.
@@Zoogi.e You hit it right on the head. BVS was the intro to their relationship and the sequel Zack Snyder's Justice League was the start of their friendship.
BvS never intended to capture their friendship. It started making them as each other's enemies who went on war. Superman was getting politically criticized for his actions, as he would have been if he existed in real life. Batman was in a really dark place losing all humanity after losing Robin and stuff. At the end of BvS, Batman comes back to light and understands Superman's true character, who can sacrifice his own life for humanity. And then in ZSJL, Batman was hell bent to bring back Superman. After that their friendship or broship started to blossom.
No edgy bs, no needless deaths, no redundant twists, no over the top darkness. Damn good writing that we will probably never get in the live action stuff. All the directors and writers have too much of an ego that they need to stroke to use good sources for inspiration. It's amazing how cartoons from the 90's and early 2000's got it right.
That is because there were still writers who knew what good actually is. The people writing now are mostly spineless jellyfish whose morals change with every wind.
I'm not gonna lie I enjoy the dark and edgy side it gives it a more maturity and individual characteristics, plus dark is more of my personality, one reason why I can't get into the mcu as much. Like the dcmau is my favorite universe of all to bad it had to end at apokolips. But I do admit that the wb dceu was all bad writing and planning, irritating to see
Dark and edgy is immature by nature. Being a adult, being a confindent man, is accepting the world is dark and by accepting it, handling it with the matuirty to know violence and strongmanning never fixed anything, merely caused more problems.@@devinmccurry5546
@@devinmccurry5546 Dark doesn't equal maturity. Dark, Edgy equal ADULT. Not everything that is dark and edgy is rooted in maturity. It's all about good writing. And the DCMAU was not dark or Edgy. It was simply mature. It follows the pattern that is more close to what the mcu did on the first 24 movie run that ended at end game. Hell Kevin feige said the entire MCU was built off the back of Richard Donner's Superman. That apokolips war movie was decent as a else world story but the vast majority of people would not want to see that story in live action. The majority of people don't want to see the hero lose and get brutalized. Heros are supposed to make people feel good, or least feel some type of hope. The DC live action forgot that and it was nothing but doom and gloom almost the entire run and that's why it failed.
@kathywright5091 that story line would be great live action almost none of the mcu movies were mature they were kid movies at the end of the day which makes sense no problem, except for maybe infinity war, but the characters and depth of akoplisp story line I thought was great some of the best modern hero villian tales
I loved their relationship in JLU, where both know each other and behave like actual adults who happen to be friends/coworkers, none of that "I don't trust that alien" bullshit that so many storylines have now. Specially in the Shazam episode where Superman lets his jealousy get over him, Batman is not reproaching him or saying he's weak or mocking him, he just understands the situation and doesn't say anything bad to Superman
I can't sing enough praise for the DCAU. So many DC fans have already given their opinions and love to this entire universe but it has to be said once again, that the DCAU is such a beautiful love letter to DC comics and fans of both the show and source material. The episode For The Man Who Has Everything, Bruce was constantly on Clark's side calling to him, to wake him up, telling him to keep fighting the dream. Man, so many great moments between them. @Implicitly Pretentious, my man, I believe you have heard of this movie already but just in case, Batman/Superman Public Enemies have a very similar if not more charming and brotherly love kind of relationship between Batman and Superman. That was the highlight of the movie itself, very good stuff.
Also, I never really liked the idea of them constantly placed in a position where they have to fight each other. Frank Miller started that trend and DC have been milking that ever since. They are more than that. They both want the same thing, to protect others with little to no regard of their own safety. It's just they have very different ways of executing their respective vision, both are very effective but ultimately different ideology leads to different means of achieving their shared vision/goal. Sure, that means they will be at odds with each other sometimes but when the chips are down, they will always have each other's backs. And that's the kind of relationship that I believe every DC fan will appreciate. Or maybe I am just speaking for myself.
I mean remember, the whole “fight” part of that World’s Finest crossover came down to Batman throwing Superman over his shoulder and Superman slamming him into a wall. It’s a lot more fun to watch them as unlikely friends with opposing methods but a deep commitment to getting justice.
I don't remember it being billed as a fight(but it was so long ago). I think the extraordinary thing might be how long it took them to team up at the time. Since this is coming from the previous interpretation of superfriends.
On a side note about this, the thug that Batman was interrogating ran off after that judo throw and didn't see the rest of their interaction. Since in-universe Batman was still more myth than public figure at the time, can you imagine what kind of rumors sprang up in the Metropolis and Gotham underworld after he passed along that story? That guy watched the scary shadowy bat monster from Gothan chuck SUPERMAN across a room like a sack of potatoes, he must have been absolutely crapping his pants.
@@thetopcats.9154 I have to imagine he got out of that business. "Superman I could handle, but the f'ing vampire from Gotham has shown that he can cross running water, and I'd rather not wake up in the hospital in a bodycast. F' all this."
I like them bc they balance each other: Batman makes sure that Superman acknowledges the dark while Superman makes sure, that Batman doesn't lose sight of the light.
The relationship between Superman and Batman in the DCAU is one of the best interpretations of the relationship between both these characters, as well as one of the best versions of Superman and Batman in general. It's one of the reasons why the DCAU is timeless.
Superman and Batman are such close friends that Batman's the only one who Superman's taught the Kryptonian language to, meaning that those two have their own form of communication that nobody else in the universe understands, and that is just so cool to me
Yes. Back when these two actually felt like friends instead of constantly trying to one up each other. I miss many things about my childhood, but this is something that can and should definitely be brought back.
I am so desperate to get movies with batman and super naturally growing a friendship like the DCAU. The fact a dark knight protecting from the shadows and the man of tomorrow flying overhead can be friends truly proves that when it comes down to it they're both heroes and fully dedicated to helping others.
@@FeliDJrah depending in how his movies evolve and if a universe gets spun off or not I could definitely see Robert Paterson growing into a batman that doesn't want to admit it, but is clearly deeply caring for the well being of a superman in his universe. His movie was a great example of being dark and moody without being an edge lord who tries to kill everyone he sees
“A two minute head start. You’re getting soft in your old age.” “Don’t you have a tall building to go leap?” Now THAT is a believable friendship between a boys scout and brooding lone wolf. Great video. Cheers.
I also like their interaction at the end of Under the Red Hood in the diner where Bruce confided to Clark about Jason. Their friendship is just so great to see when it's done right.
I also love that in the Batman Beyond future when Superman shows up Bruce and Clark still just act like old pals even tho Bruce became a recluse and lost the bat family at that point. Now that’s friendship
Batman/Superman: Public Enemies is also a great movie, bringing back DCAU cast like Conroy, Daly and Brown. Alot of the movie is also just Clark and Bruce talking to each other.
Loving these DCAU videos you've been doing. The DCAU is still the best adaptation of the DC characters in my opinion, and it did so much for DC, like creating Harley Quinn, giving Mr. Freeze a new origin, and casting some of the best voice actors to voice these characters.
Everything about the DCAU was peak adaptation, Barbara/Bruce implicit tension not withstanding obviously It just gets everything about these characters down pat. Whenever people who are only familiar with movie Superman claim he's boring, DCAU Superman is the counterpoint I always go to in terms of solid adaptations of the character
That first part of that first sentence... It made my fists clench up but you won me back in the last half! The Bruce and Barbara stuff makes me want to hurl! The sequel comic broke me. 😂 I agree with everything else too.
There were a few missteps here and there, the Barbara thing was the most miserable misstep; but the DCAU Nightwing is not even close to being as good as the comics (they just make him angsty and unpleasant and have his reasoning for breaking from Batman really dumb) and likewise with Catwoman (I love her BTAS episodes but she gets downgraded in TNBA and they just diminish her importance and her TNBA design is terrible) where they don't give them enough to do. And the DCAU should have shown Clark and Lois becoming a couple, it's a shame they never did.
@@Nightman221k As for what you said For Lois and Clark DCAU Lois Only wanted Superman And that's what he gave her In Justice League and Justice League Unlimited
Ive always preferred when batman and superman are portrayed as friends. It's more interesting to see them getting on in their weird way as opposed to fighting
I love that their feelings regarding their alter egos contrast each other. Whereas Bruce Wayne doesn't truly feel like himself until he becomes Batman, Superman is the opposite of that, and actually loves being a normal human being. I think it makes their dynamic as friends all the more beautiful.
It's super ironic that Lois is interested in the identity that feels less real to each of them. She is interested in Bruce but he thinks of himself as Batman. She's interested in Superman but he thinks of himself as Clark.
Companies these days really seem convinced that a rivalry and/or a "clash of Gods" type duel is all there is to these two. I sure miss the days where an interaction between Superman and Batman was more than just a friendly chat. I particularly would love to see more of that part where Superman showed Batman how 'Justice doesn't always have to come from the darkness'. That contrast between them; darkness and hope
That 3 part Superman episode was able to pull off a way better "Batman & Superman being advisaries then through circumstances team up" story than Snyder's Batman V Superman
In Batman Beyond first episode Bruce Wayne simply retires as Batman just because he had to point a gun at a criminal after having a severe heart attack, he didn't even shoot the criminal, he just pointed at him, he felt he could deviate from his morals, so he retired. Sadly Zack Snyder doesn't understand Batman's morals and he built his Justice League on the fallen Batman and Neck Snapping Superman, where as Bruce Timm built his Justice League on Superman and Batman who are primarily good men.
I've seen many Batman films that miss that point...even the 1989 film, as classic as that is. Batman not only refuses to kill his enemies, but also refuses to let them die by other means and will try to save even someone as twisted as The Joker. Ironically, the closest we've gotten to a true film adaption of Batman is the Robert Pattinson incarnation.
Wish Batman and Superman could have met on the big screen. Unfortunately somebody at WB let a 13 year old get past security and they ended up making Batman v Superman, which is weirdly titled since neither of those characters appear
idk what you guys expect from a full screen DC movie look at marvel they didnt have THIS shit to compare it to so they can kinda go original without it being as risky also they are gonna butche the charecters so even when you have a batman movie with good writing it still doesnt feel very batman @thedarknight love the movie but not very batman
I know this is about the relationship between Batman and Superman, but this just made me miss Kevin Conroy even more. Rest in peace, Batman. You will be eternally missed. On a more cheerful note, awesome video. You really nailed the dynamic between the two. I'll definitely be checking out more of your channel. Take care.
I truly hope that when the Snyderverse is completely undone they'll try to be more like the DCAU with Clark and Bruce. The animated shows got in right in that department. Both were just committed to doing the right thing and leading by example. Not like Snyder!Batman with slaughtering and trying to kill other heroes or a Superman who isn't compassionate and friendly toward people because he genuinely is that good and was raised by loving parents. Ironically the DCEU did do better with Wonder Woman and Aquaman though so I'll give them props there. The DCAU's Diana wasn't on her own adventures enough and they made her really critical of "Man's World" and stubborn where as Gadot's Diana is gentle and embraces a different culture with integrity and earnestness. And the DCAU Aquaman was just kind of shoved off to the side and they went with the "edgy" pissed off hook hand version rather than a more charismatic fun hero like the Momoa version was.
About Wonder Woman, while I agree they show her being a bit stubborn it actually works when consider that Diana was raised in society that reject the outside world and had cynical view on man. There are stories that explore this side of Diana and give her a good development, like the 2009 Animated movie, where Diana starts a bit sturbbon and having difficult relationship with Steve but in the end comes to see not just that Steve is good man but also how recognize that she (and also her mother and sister) were wrong in giving up on humanity, that they let their prejuice for men prevent from doing the right thing.
@Erik Kemeey Batman tried to kill Superman in BvS, it was literally his entire goal for the first 3/4ths of the film. He probably would've killed him if Lois Lane wasn't around to stop him. Having Batman more determined to kill another hero than a villain like the Joker (who in this universe killed a Robin) and is willing to kill henchmen indiscriminately is only the tip of the iceberg on misunderstanding the character. I'm a bit more forgiving with the Snyderverse take on Superman than I am with Batman, but they didn't nail his demeanor with how he was depicted as angsty. The way Christopher Reeve depicted him is an example of showing how down to earth and approachable he is; BUT I could see the Henry Cavil Superman being salvaged far more easily than I could the Affleck take on Batman just because he hadn't willingly done as many OOC things comparatively.
@Erik Kemeey Ηe Tried To Kill Superman Are you saying That Superman Is not a Hero Superman is only Alive because of Lois telling Batman that Martha Is also the name of Superman's mother
@@alexandrefrauches132 I can't even watch the 2009 movie anymore after how good the Gal Gadot version was. In the 2009 movie Steve's depicted like a chauvinistic buffoon and Diana constantly looks down on and browbeats EVERYONE she meets and seems like she doesn't have any culture shock over the way our world is advanced and different from hers. She gets here and immediately lectures a little girl for crying about being left out by the boys (like, this is the first human child she's ever encountered and the first thing she does is lecture and judge) She's incredibly rude and argumentative to Etta Candy, who they use only to depicted like "Those Other Girls" not like "Pick Me" Diana who doesn't approve of such horrible things like... a woman flirting with a guy she thinks is cute? 2009!Steve just spouted off objectifying things about Diana and tried to get her drunk to seduce her. Their romance came off as really smarmy with her being kind of prejudiced and him being unlikable (it felt like "if a male sexist and a female sexist dated it would be LOVE" rather than it would be a disaster). In the live action Patty Jenkins movie where Steve is a really good guy and a soldier who wants a normal life and Diana is hopeful and kind and enthusiastic to learn. And Steve respects her and their relationship is sweet and Diana isn't judgmental to anyone outside of being disturbed by chemical warfare on civilians. And on top of that the 2009 version of the Greek Gods is bizarre, why is Hades Male-humanoid-Ursula from the Little Mermaid? WTF? That being said I did really enjoy the Wonder Woman animated movie with Silver Swan and Medusa though that one was really good! It felt more in line with the good characterization of Diana and Steve and Diana being warm and kind toward the Silver Swan character was very endearing and Etta was fun. I liked the adventure feel to it and the mythology elements too.
What most fans don't seem to realize, is that it was Batman that brought the Justice League formally together in the first place. He saw the need (and used the opportunity to assess their abilities and weaknesses in case they ever went rouge or was mind controlled). He had the space station built, and funded its upkeep, but he knew that the rest wouldn't join if he proposed it (due to their distrust of him), Thats when he asked his best bud Superman to bring up the idea of forming the team!
It's because they took the time to amalgamate the best versions of those characters to make it. Superman for instance is heavily based on Silver Age & PreCrisis Superman, Batman is Bronze Age + PostKeaton Bats & Green Arrow is Bronze Age & Resurrected GA. This way they could use the most popular stories from the comics, in part or whole, while not getting the MCU's "they did this b/c the story demands it" type of writing. This let the characters stay consistent.
this video made me so emotional. I grew up with these iterations of Supes and Bats and seeing their friendship/bromance analyzed in such a thoughtful way is amazing. Great work, Leo!
You could talk about this series for the next year and I'd be fine. It's a goldmine of incredible points and life lessons. Not to mention the incredible writing.
There's a moment in the animated adaption of Superman Batman Public Enemies where Lex destroys a remote control for a rocket ship forcing Batman 2 pilot it manually. Superman, who was previously getting bodied by Lex luthor, grabs one of Luther's Kryptonite Fists and crushes it, stating that Batman was his best friend and Luther just killed him. He then proceeds to completely turn the tables and has Lex Luthor running away.
This animated universe was my childhood. Meant a lot to me then and more now. This show made me think as a kid. Showed me a complicated world with actual relationships and moral dilemmas. I wish children's entertainment focused more on challenging them.
Aw, this reminds me of the friendship I share with one of my best friends. He's an eternal optimist that always sees the good in people first. He's been through stuff and seen bad things, but he still stays a light to many. I'm more of a realist and prefer the darker aspects of life and love a good plan, but both of us try to approach everything with empathy first and foremost. I also loved Lobo trying to replace Superman because power wise he is the closest, but he couldn't be more different in his ideals and morals LOL Lobo is among my favorite comic book characters!
Thank you for doing this…. This video is amazing i know a lot of kids don’t read comics nor was able to see the animated series and only saw batman and superman as 2 guys who hate each other and their moms have the same name (thanks zach) but this is who they are brothers that despite being polar opposites whenever they together they both make each other shine brighter
I'm so glad I found your channel, oh my god. 😭😭 i love these DCAU series to this day and it's so fantastic to stumble across people who love the show and were impacted by it, too. I enjoy how you talk about the series with a sense of humor (which i love lol) but you don't shy away from its dark themes or harsher subjects in your analysis. I also enjoy your videos on specific characters or relationships (THANK YOU FOR COVERING HUNTRESS AND QUESTION 💙) and how you talk about their struggles and growth. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with us!
It's just a couple of guys, trying to do the right thing; and that's a wholesome premise. In a more simple time it would be like a policeman and a firefighter working together to save a life.
Still top tier versions of both characters..maybe my fav versions of them 🤔🧐 Young Justice has pretty great portrayals of them too, but since the story’s about the younger generation they don’t have as much time to shine
My second favorite duo in the DCAU was Hawkgirl and Flash in JL series. I lived for that the little brother, big sister dynamic. Their relationship was just so damn adorable. Even when Hawkgirl betrayed the league, Flash was doing his best to mend her relationship with the rest of the team, especially between her and Wonder Woman. Damn, nothing was better than the JL series.
Justice League Unlimited was just awesome dude. It was my childhood all these iconic characters being utilised to their fullest. The show always has a soft spot in my heart because of everything it ever did.
DCAU Batman & Superman are the BEST depictions of these characters outside the comics. I mean,even writers like Scott Snyder gets some inspiration from these depictions when he was doing Justice League. Also,please do a video on WonderBat. I ADORE THAT SHIP SO MUCH
god i love this, glad that someone finally pointed this out and besides the comics this is the only other iteration that truly shows the true beauty of this friendship
The thing that i love about Batman and Superman's friendship is how extremely opposite they are. One is a beacon of hope while the other is the beacon of Fear and Justice.
I hadn't thought about it before, but Bruce is the ultimate personification of Clark's belief in humanity. Bruce has more excuse than most to turn his back on people and be entirely selfish. He could easily be Luthor. Instead, Bruce believes in the same betterment of humanity. Batman doesn't kill out of fear that he'd do it too much; Batman doesn't kill because he believes that everyone can change, and believes in the total sanctity of life. To Clark, he's proof that you can be Superman without powers. One is more cheerful than the other, obviously, but they have the same fundamental belief in why they do what they do: compassion.
Just another reminder that the DCAU is *GOD-TIER* ! (Hadn't even thought about that identity reveal moment from "Starcrossed" tho. Makes that moment even more AWESOME!) Some of my favorite B&S moments: Batman visits Superman's grave, Batman holding back Diana, and that moment when they figure out each other's secret identities (Superman cheating and Batman just putting a tracker on his cape then smirking 😂)
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The older I get, the more I love the idea of how Batman and Superman are basically ideologically different and even fight at times, but still are essential best friends, or even more like brothers who work together for the common good
They even call each other brothers in the comics Sometimes I love their relationship
Agreed. Batman and Superman have their differences, but at the end of the day, they are best friends and even brothers.
Ha even in supermans earnestness and batman being edgy. Its a wholesome and funny relationship.
I love enemy number one for being about that mostly.
and supes lovingly embarassing bruce isnever not funny.
@@mecahhannah There was also a comic that came out a few years where Superman and Batman go on a double date at a super hero themed fair with their respective significant others: Lois Lane and Selina Kyle (this was when she and Bruce Wayne were engaged). The fair had a policy that attendees wear costumes, so Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent switch costumes (to protect their secret identities) along with Lois Lane wearing the Catwoman suit and Selina Kyle wore whatever Lois came with. The episode gives the two the chance to do some friendly ribbing with brooding Bruce dressed as cheerful Superman and dorky Clark dressed as Batman (even having the glasses set on the cowl). They also mock that line from Man of Steel where "the S stands for Hope."
@@NobodyC13 I own the issue it's one of my favorites
"You'll outlive us all Bruce. You're too stubborn to die." My favorite Superman line and all the physical trauma he endured as Batman and still living into like his 80s- 90s.... might not be wrong 😂
Wait but I thought superman aged really slowly, or am I wrong
@@dice9270 You're right. Superman was joking, as am I. Obviously Superman will outlive Bruce but being too stubborn to die is very on brand for him.
@@anthonygarcia6229 oh okay it's just that he looked like really old in the clip so I was confused to why it looked like he aged normally
Technically Supes didn’t say that
@@dice9270 that would be funny if after he dies he just comes back to life and gets back to the bat computer to help with the next mission
“You’ll outlive us all. You’re too stubborn to die.”
RIP Kevin Conroy. The Batman of my childhood.
He’s the Batman of every 90s Kid, and he always will be.
The real Batman forever
🫡
No, the batman of everyones childhood. He truly was, THE batman.🗿😔
Kevin is immortal. Batman is forever.
Clark yelling “Batman!” And hugging him, and Bruce just being like, “….Am I missing something?” Is one of my all-time favorite moments between these two, and them together is one of my all time favorite team ups!❤
They are like brothers
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@@NazriB I have no idea what you just said means
It's like hugging your disinterested cat
@@dariusbrock2713 PFFFFFTTTT HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA😂👍 oh my god that’s hilarious!!
What really impresses me about the relationship between Batman and Superman in the DCAU and the DCAU in general is that none of this was planned out. The DCAU wasn't like the MCU, they didn't have the backing of WB to create a huge interconnected universe.
They never knew if a show was going to get renewed for another season. If a DCAU show got a viewership drop or even if they had poor toy sales for a quarter, the show would be at risk of cancellation.
But despite never knowing if their shows would get renewed, they were able to build theses relationships and plotlines through multiple shows. And they were able to connect ongoing stories with one off episodes that were never intended to be part of an arc.
What they did was have more than half a damn about the history & characters.
It's become painfully clear that this is not present in the MCU anymore, as established characters have started changing in stupid ways
The show runners and writers of the DCAU focused on characters and storytelling, and they were free to explore different types of stories. For both the MCU and the DCEU, the focus is on ticket sales and merchandising, and there's a lot less freedom for story telling.
In that way, the DCAU reminds me of Star Wars: The Clone Wars.
@@TonyGiannamore yep, they were always at risk of cancelation so they had their foot slammed on the gas pedal the whole time. Makes for damn good television
@@SigmaBenLinus Makes for damn good everything to be honest, a lot of media comes out good under this kind of pressure
3:16
"Have you spoken to him?"
"He doesn't handle loss very well."
God, that's heartbreaking. Knowing that every time Bruce loses a loved one, it's like he's back in crime alley all over again. The relief he must have felt inside when Clark wasn't dead... I can't even imagine.
@KBM515 Well I would think its preferable if one handles it slowly and with support of friends but thats not batman
I couldn't help but laugh my ass off at that line, as heavy as it is, because I just kept thinking, "yeah no shit he doesn't handle loss well, he handled the loss of his parents by becoming an insomnia-stricken ninja detective who dresses like a bat." Guy gets UPSET
@@MysteryStew5977 hahaha 🤣
@@MysteryStew5977 yeah, I mean having your parents gunned down before your eyes at 8 years old is pretty fucked up. That’s PTSD that will never go away.
@@MysteryStew5977 Batman loves strong. His love is still the love of a child. He's traumatised, but when he lets people in... It can break him, or complete him.
The friendship built is so iconic and so subtle it becomes one of the most amazing things ever. People are quick to want to make them fight and so forth, but it's what makes them the same, yet different, that really makes these two so iconic. Even in the future of Batman Beyond when Bruce has been left all alone, his relationships strained, he still has a good bond with Superman.
That's true
Everytime they pit superheroes against each other, specially Bruce and Clark. I often ask "Why do you like fighting your friend?" Cause that's basically what they ask for when they do that. They want Bruce to fight his friend cause somehow, that is way more interesting than him fighting a clown every Tuesday.
@@Wolf10media drama
Make them fight in such a rush so much so that they make Batman easily manipulatable dumbass.
@@thepurpleshade486 And if that is the case, there was no friendship to begin with. If drama matters more than friendship.
Seriously WB needed to just model their DC Cinematic Universe after the DCAU. They HAD THE BLUEPRINT. IT WAS RIGHT THERE.
But they decided to hand it over to Zack Snyder, who is a very competent director when it comes to visual style, but doesn’t understand characters or their motivations.
@@christianemden7637 He turned DC into watchman.
@@tommyvercetti1111 even then, Snyder sorely misunderstood watchmen.
@@tommyvercetti1111 "you're living in a fucking dream world"
_turns superman into a botched jesus allegory for literally no reason_
But according to Snyder bois "Zack Snyder is the blueprint" lol
I’ve always thought of Superman and Batman as best friends. Bruce isn’t afraid of Clark’s power and feels he needs to defeat him. He trusts him with his life. Sure, he has plans if Superman is turned, but he relies on him more than fears. Stories of Batman disliking Superman and his power are too common these days. He’s not Lex Luthor
No fr, I am so sick and tired of the ol' "superheroes fighting each other" cliche. We need the old dynamic duo that we grew up with. Batman and Superman aren't supposed to be enemies but stories like TDKR and Injustice just kinda ruined it. It also didn't help with Snyder's alteration of the characters either.
@@donlalo2002 yeah me too
@@donlalo2002 and even if they don’t like each other, in most versions, they’re the type to willingly work together.
The injustice story doesn’t really work because they had to force superman into a long term villain in a way that wouldn’t actually be enough to break his spirit. And then they have batman act almost like a saint, despite his character usually being the one doing good things but not in a good manner compared to others.
The story idea can work out, but not in the way it was executed.
Yeah Zack Snyder dropped the ball with the DCEU by making their first interactions be a literal death match. Really destroyed the potential of their relationship before it even started
Ironically enough that's likely what Lex Luthor is, a reflection of what Batman would be if he was obsessed with Clark's power.
It's weird tbh
@Dan Lalo tbf TDKR was before this cartoon, I think some people just became obsessed with the idea.
"You'll outlive all of us, Bruce. You're too stubborn to die."
Hits hard now.
one of my favorite details when Superman "dies" is that even though Batman didn't go to the funeral, you can still see Alfred and one the robins (Tim maybe??) in the background attending.
Yes Alfred and Tim
Only in the DCAU Comics
Superman met Batgirl
In the comic it’s even sadder. When Diana goes to Bruce to ask why he wasn’t at the funeral, he just replies in a solemn tone “he’s not dead” and you see briefly a single tear fall from his eye.
@@RambunctiousReptilian
There's a comic book
Adaptation of Hereafter
What's the name
That is a lovely little detail.
@@maryzerey3295 I am guessing they're talking about Justice League of America vol.2 #0 (the one that came out in 2006) it had a bunch of small stories about Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman and one of them was Diana going to Bruce asking him if Superman was really dead and he tells her he's not dead and that he'll be back. You can see that he's crying but it's pretty subtle.
There's this scene about their friendship, with one line that always gives me goosebumbs - it's from Superman/Batman: Public Enemies, so technically not really DCAU canon, but still it really fits with this: Batman decides to get into a rocket about to be launched to steer it towards a huge meteor headed for earth, in order to destroy that meteor by crashing the rocket into it. Batman does this because moments before, Luthor destroyed the machine that would serve as an auto-pilot/guidance system for the rocket, so the rocket can no longer reach the meteor on its own. Crashing into that meteor with said rocket would, of course, be fatal for Batman. Superman, already weakened at this point due to exposure to the kryptonite rays from Luthor's mech suit, fails to stop Batman from getting into cockpit, once again due to Luthor's interference and the last thing Superman hears is Batman telling him Good Bye. Superman manages to prevent Luthor from stoping the rocket's launch, but can only watch the rocket take off, with Batman on it, as it flies Batman to his certain death. After this, Superman stares down Luthor, cold-voiced tells him "That man is my best friend. And you just killed him!" and begins to lay the smack down on him, despite being weakened and exhausted.
Kind of reminds me of this comic (don't remember which) where someone was in the Batmobile and they apologized to Batman because Superman was their favorite superhero. Batman just smiled and said "He's mine, too."
The DCAU is everything the DCEU isn’t and wishes it could be.
"Can't have an Extended Universe if there is no universe"
- David Zaslav after canceling everything in existence and folding HBO Max into Discovery+
Oh true and They have the perfect template to go off of and they don't use it
Agreed. The DCAU is just better than the DCEU.
Preach.
@@icedcapplord710 I think that creates a great opportunity for a soft reboot that can use the dcau as a template
I will take Batman & Superman over Batman vs. Superman any time. I hope they'll get a good movie together again some time.
YES
Me too, i adore their friendship, and boy i loathe the stories where they fight (coff, injustice, coff, BvS, coff coff)
@@nucleonegro9762in Dawn of Justice, the in-universe explanation is that Superman is a rookie trying to help; and Batman is a hardened veteran who has grown cynical and despairing. It also does not help that Batman witnessed the destructive capabilities of the Kryptonians through one the battles affecting Gotham, intending to neutralize Superman out of an existential standpoint. Out-universe, Warner Bros was desperate to catch up to Marvel Studios.
@@DarsiPadillayeah that version of batman in dawn of justice was supposed 2 b like the batman from 2 part animated film, “the dark knight returns” but with batman about a decade younger, & pretty everything u described.
It reminds me of when Clark was talking to Jon. He admitted that sometimes Batman really pisses him off at time and how difficult it can be to work with him. But then and I quote "He does the most amazing thing I've ever seen. And then he does again."
A part the reason he trusts Bruce so much and respects him. Anyone who sees him as just a guy in a batsuit do not understand what their playing with. Luthor found that out during the crossover to when Batman appearing almost made him shit himself.
I remember reading this one graphic novel where it was just Batman vs. Luthor doing a corporate takeover of Wayne Enterprises and finding it hilarious how much Luthor underestimates the ability of this 'nutcase in a costume' (his words) to mess up his careful plans and how incredibly pissed off Lex gets when Bats succeeds.
This sounds vaguely familiar but I wish I could remember when it happens.
Is that where he visited luthor in his supposedly "high security" apartment or smth, loved luthor's shocked face at that one
@@justaguy_yt1240 Which episode was that again?
Which episodes were these?
Someone once wrote that Superman and Batman were archetypes, mirror images of each other. Superman is the alien who makes good, superpowered and sees the world as a good place. Batman is the native, no powers and sees the world as a dark and dangerous place. Superman wants to make the world a better place by helping people... Batman wants to make the world a better place by putting the bad guys behind bars. Superman doesn't kill because he doesn't want to. Batman doesn't kill because he is afraid of what he would turn into if he ever did.
Thank you, it drives me crazy that so many members of the bat-family don't seem to understand that batman doesn't kill because he is afraid of what he will become if he starts and he is not wrong every instance of Batman killing creates a dark timeline. He almost took out the multiverse!
You don't seem to understand batman. He wants to prevent anyone from experiencing similar trauma to him, so he tries to help anyone. He's not out to get revenge of bad guys, he's out to prevent bad guys from harming people, that's why Bruce invests in rehabilitation programs like firing the fascist guard at Arkham, providing housing for the ventriloquist after he was released from Arkham, paying for two face's surgery. Batman's whole thing is rehabilitation over punishment, since the best way to defeat an enemy is to make them your friend
@@elijahknox4421 I mean I agree with this statement too they are not mutually exclusive. Batman can be afraid of what he is capable of and want to prevent suffering. Even the suffering of his villains. It reminds me of a Dr Who quote "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." There is no one not even his adversaries who would argue that the Doctor doesn't want to minimize the suffering of others. And despite his jolly outside the Doctor is covering a deep well of pain. But like Batman he is constantly holding himself back because he doesn't view himself as a good person and knows he is capable of massive destruction. Batman even says when Superman is mind controlled by poison ivy "deep down Clark is a good person and deep down I am not." I am not saying Batman is a bad person, I think he is a good person but Batman doesn't view himself as a good person.
@@ChemAngel3 That's good, I like it. In religious terms, Superman is the atheist who believes people are basically good; Batman is the Christian who believes people are basically bad. But Batman believes in the ability to choose a different path, to reform, to be good by choice.
Notice how when they both are working together, they are virtually an unstoppable force. When one of them starts straying towards the dark, the other will be there to bring them right back out of it, or die trying.
They will always be the worlds finest.
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This version, plus the ones from Superman/Batman Public Enemies and JL Doom represent the main thing that makes them such iconic duo and what BvS failed to captured: Their friendship. Despite their different methods, both heroes understand each other, having mutual respect, and are capable of working together for the common good.
Yep itsbadically them being funny sweet besties.
For the record, I feel the same way about Captain America and Iron Man. Two very different heroes who are still good friends with deep respect for each other. Edit: I haven’t seen BvS (don’t like Snyder’s stuff), but considering it was called BvS, I don’t really think it needed to capture their friendship. I guess it could’ve started their friendship tho, and the sequels should’ve absolutely expanded on it.
Well to be fair, BVS was the origin to their story of meeting each other. Zack Snyder's Justice League fixed that and could have really made their friendship blossom. Superman helped Bruce find his humanity again and Bruce never stopped believing in Superman(after his death) and believed more than the other league members that he could be brought back. Superman was given a second chance at life to be the hero Earth needed him to be and it was because of Bruce's faith in him. The last scene Clark and Bruce share together could have really been the start of a beautiful friendship. The only thing I gripe about is Superman's eventual turn but regardless, ZSJL could have been the point where we got a more classic Superman and Batman friendship.
@@Zoogi.e You hit it right on the head. BVS was the intro to their relationship and the sequel Zack Snyder's Justice League was the start of their friendship.
BvS never intended to capture their friendship. It started making them as each other's enemies who went on war. Superman was getting politically criticized for his actions, as he would have been if he existed in real life. Batman was in a really dark place losing all humanity after losing Robin and stuff. At the end of BvS, Batman comes back to light and understands Superman's true character, who can sacrifice his own life for humanity. And then in ZSJL, Batman was hell bent to bring back Superman. After that their friendship or broship started to blossom.
No edgy bs, no needless deaths, no redundant twists, no over the top darkness. Damn good writing that we will probably never get in the live action stuff. All the directors and writers have too much of an ego that they need to stroke to use good sources for inspiration. It's amazing how cartoons from the 90's and early 2000's got it right.
That is because there were still writers who knew what good actually is. The people writing now are mostly spineless jellyfish whose morals change with every wind.
I'm not gonna lie I enjoy the dark and edgy side it gives it a more maturity and individual characteristics, plus dark is more of my personality, one reason why I can't get into the mcu as much. Like the dcmau is my favorite universe of all to bad it had to end at apokolips. But I do admit that the wb dceu was all bad writing and planning, irritating to see
Dark and edgy is immature by nature. Being a adult, being a confindent man, is accepting the world is dark and by accepting it, handling it with the matuirty to know violence and strongmanning never fixed anything, merely caused more problems.@@devinmccurry5546
@@devinmccurry5546 Dark doesn't equal maturity. Dark, Edgy equal ADULT. Not everything that is dark and edgy is rooted in maturity. It's all about good writing. And the DCMAU was not dark or Edgy. It was simply mature. It follows the pattern that is more close to what the mcu did on the first 24 movie run that ended at end game. Hell Kevin feige said the entire MCU was built off the back of Richard Donner's Superman. That apokolips war movie was decent as a else world story but the vast majority of people would not want to see that story in live action. The majority of people don't want to see the hero lose and get brutalized. Heros are supposed to make people feel good, or least feel some type of hope. The DC live action forgot that and it was nothing but doom and gloom almost the entire run and that's why it failed.
@kathywright5091 that story line would be great live action almost none of the mcu movies were mature they were kid movies at the end of the day which makes sense no problem, except for maybe infinity war, but the characters and depth of akoplisp story line I thought was great some of the best modern hero villian tales
Superman and Batman being best friends is almost always way more enjoyable then them fighting’s each other
I loved their relationship in JLU, where both know each other and behave like actual adults who happen to be friends/coworkers, none of that "I don't trust that alien" bullshit that so many storylines have now. Specially in the Shazam episode where Superman lets his jealousy get over him, Batman is not reproaching him or saying he's weak or mocking him, he just understands the situation and doesn't say anything bad to Superman
I can't sing enough praise for the DCAU. So many DC fans have already given their opinions and love to this entire universe but it has to be said once again, that the DCAU is such a beautiful love letter to DC comics and fans of both the show and source material. The episode For The Man Who Has Everything, Bruce was constantly on Clark's side calling to him, to wake him up, telling him to keep fighting the dream. Man, so many great moments between them. @Implicitly Pretentious, my man, I believe you have heard of this movie already but just in case, Batman/Superman Public Enemies have a very similar if not more charming and brotherly love kind of relationship between Batman and Superman. That was the highlight of the movie itself, very good stuff.
Also, I never really liked the idea of them constantly placed in a position where they have to fight each other. Frank Miller started that trend and DC have been milking that ever since. They are more than that. They both want the same thing, to protect others with little to no regard of their own safety. It's just they have very different ways of executing their respective vision, both are very effective but ultimately different ideology leads to different means of achieving their shared vision/goal.
Sure, that means they will be at odds with each other sometimes but when the chips are down, they will always have each other's backs. And that's the kind of relationship that I believe every DC fan will appreciate. Or maybe I am just speaking for myself.
One of the only adaptions of his works Moore liked
“That was my best friend… and you just killed him!”
I mean remember, the whole “fight” part of that World’s Finest crossover came down to Batman throwing Superman over his shoulder and Superman slamming him into a wall. It’s a lot more fun to watch them as unlikely friends with opposing methods but a deep commitment to getting justice.
I don't remember it being billed as a fight(but it was so long ago). I think the extraordinary thing might be how long it took them to team up at the time. Since this is coming from the previous interpretation of superfriends.
On a side note about this, the thug that Batman was interrogating ran off after that judo throw and didn't see the rest of their interaction. Since in-universe Batman was still more myth than public figure at the time, can you imagine what kind of rumors sprang up in the Metropolis and Gotham underworld after he passed along that story? That guy watched the scary shadowy bat monster from Gothan chuck SUPERMAN across a room like a sack of potatoes, he must have been absolutely crapping his pants.
@@thetopcats.9154 I have to imagine he got out of that business. "Superman I could handle, but the f'ing vampire from Gotham has shown that he can cross running water, and I'd rather not wake up in the hospital in a bodycast. F' all this."
I like them bc they balance each other: Batman makes sure that Superman acknowledges the dark while Superman makes sure, that Batman doesn't lose sight of the light.
The relationship between Superman and Batman in the DCAU is one of the best interpretations of the relationship between both these characters, as well as one of the best versions of Superman and Batman in general. It's one of the reasons why the DCAU is timeless.
Superman and Batman are such close friends that Batman's the only one who Superman's taught the Kryptonian language to, meaning that those two have their own form of communication that nobody else in the universe understands, and that is just so cool to me
Yes. Back when these two actually felt like friends instead of constantly trying to one up each other. I miss many things about my childhood, but this is something that can and should definitely be brought back.
LEGENDS NEVER DIE. RIP THE BEST BATMAN VOICE
I am so desperate to get movies with batman and super naturally growing a friendship like the DCAU. The fact a dark knight protecting from the shadows and the man of tomorrow flying overhead can be friends truly proves that when it comes down to it they're both heroes and fully dedicated to helping others.
Join the club, we've got jackets.
@@FeliDJrah depending in how his movies evolve and if a universe gets spun off or not I could definitely see Robert Paterson growing into a batman that doesn't want to admit it, but is clearly deeply caring for the well being of a superman in his universe. His movie was a great example of being dark and moody without being an edge lord who tries to kill everyone he sees
“A two minute head start. You’re getting soft in your old age.”
“Don’t you have a tall building to go leap?”
Now THAT is a believable friendship between a boys scout and brooding lone wolf. Great video. Cheers.
I also like their interaction at the end of Under the Red Hood in the diner where Bruce confided to Clark about Jason. Their friendship is just so great to see when it's done right.
God I wish we had this in the DCEU...
Many rich nuanced relationships in this show. Should have used this as the blueprint for dceu.
Do you bleed?
I wish the same, ALL the time. I’ve accepted that the DEAU gave my everything I’ll ever need. I can’t rely on live action.
I also love that in the Batman Beyond future when Superman shows up Bruce and Clark still just act like old pals even tho Bruce became a recluse and lost the bat family at that point. Now that’s friendship
Batman/Superman: Public Enemies is also a great movie, bringing back DCAU cast like Conroy, Daly and Brown. Alot of the movie is also just Clark and Bruce talking to each other.
Batman and Superman being absolute besties is something missing from a lot of modern takes.
Loving these DCAU videos you've been doing. The DCAU is still the best adaptation of the DC characters in my opinion, and it did so much for DC, like creating Harley Quinn, giving Mr. Freeze a new origin, and casting some of the best voice actors to voice these characters.
Could watch DCAU videos like this all day
The "identity reveal" scene is my absolute favorite in any JL episode and kind of sums up the whole vibe of the show
Everything about the DCAU was peak adaptation, Barbara/Bruce implicit tension not withstanding obviously
It just gets everything about these characters down pat. Whenever people who are only familiar with movie Superman claim he's boring, DCAU Superman is the counterpoint I always go to in terms of solid adaptations of the character
That first part of that first sentence... It made my fists clench up but you won me back in the last half! The Bruce and Barbara stuff makes me want to hurl! The sequel comic broke me. 😂
I agree with everything else too.
There were a few missteps here and there, the Barbara thing was the most miserable misstep; but the DCAU Nightwing is not even close to being as good as the comics (they just make him angsty and unpleasant and have his reasoning for breaking from Batman really dumb) and likewise with Catwoman (I love her BTAS episodes but she gets downgraded in TNBA and they just diminish her importance and her TNBA design is terrible) where they don't give them enough to do. And the DCAU should have shown Clark and Lois becoming a couple, it's a shame they never did.
yeah, I had to re-read and re-think "implicit" about 20 times....
@@Nightman221k
I never saw him as unpleasant
Dick has a point
Batman doesn't trust anyone
And he can go too far sometimes
@@Nightman221k
As for what you said
For Lois and Clark
DCAU Lois
Only wanted Superman
And that's what he gave her
In Justice League and Justice League Unlimited
Ive always preferred when batman and superman are portrayed as friends. It's more interesting to see them getting on in their weird way as opposed to fighting
Batman and Superman is the most wholesome friendship when it's done right
THIS IS WHAT DC SHOULD ALWAYS BE! Strong, solid, thought-provoking stories based around iconic ageless characters known the world over.
Is nobody mentioning how phenomenal this video is? The quality is out of this world. Beautifully crafted. Bravo
I really do love Bruce and Clark's relationship, which is why Injustice hurt as much as it did.
I love that their feelings regarding their alter egos contrast each other. Whereas Bruce Wayne doesn't truly feel like himself until he becomes Batman, Superman is the opposite of that, and actually loves being a normal human being. I think it makes their dynamic as friends all the more beautiful.
It's super ironic that Lois is interested in the identity that feels less real to each of them. She is interested in Bruce but he thinks of himself as Batman. She's interested in Superman but he thinks of himself as Clark.
Companies these days really seem convinced that a rivalry and/or a "clash of Gods" type duel is all there is to these two. I sure miss the days where an interaction between Superman and Batman was more than just a friendly chat. I particularly would love to see more of that part where Superman showed Batman how 'Justice doesn't always have to come from the darkness'. That contrast between them; darkness and hope
These will always be my versions of Batman and Superman 🥺
RIP Kevin Conroy 🙏🏾🕊
That 3 part Superman episode was able to pull off a way better "Batman & Superman being advisaries then through circumstances team up" story than Snyder's Batman V Superman
0:11 Jussss League?
Just League.
In Batman Beyond first episode Bruce Wayne simply retires as Batman just because he had to point a gun at a criminal after having a severe heart attack, he didn't even shoot the criminal, he just pointed at him, he felt he could deviate from his morals, so he retired. Sadly Zack Snyder doesn't understand Batman's morals and he built his Justice League on the fallen Batman and Neck Snapping Superman, where as Bruce Timm built his Justice League on Superman and Batman who are primarily good men.
I've seen many Batman films that miss that point...even the 1989 film, as classic as that is.
Batman not only refuses to kill his enemies, but also refuses to let them die by other means and will try to save even someone as twisted as The Joker.
Ironically, the closest we've gotten to a true film adaption of Batman is the Robert Pattinson incarnation.
@@MetroXLR99Lego Batman?
Wish Batman and Superman could have met on the big screen. Unfortunately somebody at WB let a 13 year old get past security and they ended up making Batman v Superman, which is weirdly titled since neither of those characters appear
Snyder butchered the two most important dc characters
@@saberfan Not just Snyder, but Warner Bros. in general.
idk what you guys expect from a full screen DC movie look at marvel they didnt have THIS shit to compare it to so they can kinda go original without it being as risky also they are gonna butche the charecters so even when you have a batman movie with good writing it still doesnt feel very batman @thedarknight love the movie but not very batman
'That was my best friend... and you just killed him!' from the Public Enemies movie is such a great line and showcases their bromance perfectly
I know this is about the relationship between Batman and Superman, but this just made me miss Kevin Conroy even more. Rest in peace, Batman. You will be eternally missed.
On a more cheerful note, awesome video. You really nailed the dynamic between the two. I'll definitely be checking out more of your channel. Take care.
I remember when Batman vs Superman came out, the resounding thought in my head was "...why?".
I truly hope that when the Snyderverse is completely undone they'll try to be more like the DCAU with Clark and Bruce. The animated shows got in right in that department. Both were just committed to doing the right thing and leading by example. Not like Snyder!Batman with slaughtering and trying to kill other heroes or a Superman who isn't compassionate and friendly toward people because he genuinely is that good and was raised by loving parents.
Ironically the DCEU did do better with Wonder Woman and Aquaman though so I'll give them props there. The DCAU's Diana wasn't on her own adventures enough and they made her really critical of "Man's World" and stubborn where as Gadot's Diana is gentle and embraces a different culture with integrity and earnestness. And the DCAU Aquaman was just kind of shoved off to the side and they went with the "edgy" pissed off hook hand version rather than a more charismatic fun hero like the Momoa version was.
About Wonder Woman, while I agree they show her being a bit stubborn it actually works when consider that Diana was raised in society that reject the outside world and had cynical view on man. There are stories that explore this side of Diana and give her a good development, like the 2009 Animated movie, where Diana starts a bit sturbbon and having difficult relationship with Steve but in the end comes to see not just that Steve is good man but also how recognize that she (and also her mother and sister) were wrong in giving up on humanity, that they let their prejuice for men prevent from doing the right thing.
@Erik Kemeey Batman tried to kill Superman in BvS, it was literally his entire goal for the first 3/4ths of the film. He probably would've killed him if Lois Lane wasn't around to stop him. Having Batman more determined to kill another hero than a villain like the Joker (who in this universe killed a Robin) and is willing to kill henchmen indiscriminately is only the tip of the iceberg on misunderstanding the character.
I'm a bit more forgiving with the Snyderverse take on Superman than I am with Batman, but they didn't nail his demeanor with how he was depicted as angsty. The way Christopher Reeve depicted him is an example of showing how down to earth and approachable he is; BUT I could see the Henry Cavil Superman being salvaged far more easily than I could the Affleck take on Batman just because he hadn't willingly done as many OOC things comparatively.
@Erik Kemeey
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@@alexandrefrauches132 I can't even watch the 2009 movie anymore after how good the Gal Gadot version was. In the 2009 movie Steve's depicted like a chauvinistic buffoon and Diana constantly looks down on and browbeats EVERYONE she meets and seems like she doesn't have any culture shock over the way our world is advanced and different from hers. She gets here and immediately lectures a little girl for crying about being left out by the boys (like, this is the first human child she's ever encountered and the first thing she does is lecture and judge) She's incredibly rude and argumentative to Etta Candy, who they use only to depicted like "Those Other Girls" not like "Pick Me" Diana who doesn't approve of such horrible things like... a woman flirting with a guy she thinks is cute?
2009!Steve just spouted off objectifying things about Diana and tried to get her drunk to seduce her. Their romance came off as really smarmy with her being kind of prejudiced and him being unlikable (it felt like "if a male sexist and a female sexist dated it would be LOVE" rather than it would be a disaster).
In the live action Patty Jenkins movie where Steve is a really good guy and a soldier who wants a normal life and Diana is hopeful and kind and enthusiastic to learn. And Steve respects her and their relationship is sweet and Diana isn't judgmental to anyone outside of being disturbed by chemical warfare on civilians. And on top of that the 2009 version of the Greek Gods is bizarre, why is Hades Male-humanoid-Ursula from the Little Mermaid? WTF?
That being said I did really enjoy the Wonder Woman animated movie with Silver Swan and Medusa though that one was really good! It felt more in line with the good characterization of Diana and Steve and Diana being warm and kind toward the Silver Swan character was very endearing and Etta was fun. I liked the adventure feel to it and the mythology elements too.
@Erik Kemeey
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What most fans don't seem to realize, is that it was Batman that brought the Justice League formally together in the first place. He saw the need (and used the opportunity to assess their abilities and weaknesses in case they ever went rouge or was mind controlled). He had the space station built, and funded its upkeep, but he knew that the rest wouldn't join if he proposed it (due to their distrust of him), Thats when he asked his best bud Superman to bring up the idea of forming the team!
Given that recent stuff with the dceu and wb. It really is wild that the dcau is so timeless yet so ahead of it's time in the landscape of superheoes
It's because they took the time to amalgamate the best versions of those characters to make it. Superman for instance is heavily based on Silver Age & PreCrisis Superman, Batman is Bronze Age + PostKeaton Bats & Green Arrow is Bronze Age & Resurrected GA.
This way they could use the most popular stories from the comics, in part or whole, while not getting the MCU's "they did this b/c the story demands it" type of writing. This let the characters stay consistent.
The DCAU is the love-filled success the DCEU can't even begin to imagine itself being.
I've been rewatching the DCAU thanks to these recent videos and I couldn't thank you more!
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Aye bro I'm just starting to watch Justice league and Unlimited. Should I watch this video or finish the series first?
@@makhiswinging302 the video spoils the show if you care about that
@@timmytim5894 Yeah I watched some of it already😂 I'll just finish the show then come back to the vid. Appreciate it tho
@@makhiswinging302 Mach? Is that you? 😂
Their characters, the villians, the storyline, interconnected ness as good as MCU, Bruce Timm DCAU is a MASTERPIECE.
Almost everything in the DCAU was the best. Easily contains most of the best comic book adaptations.
I also love how Bruce is on stage in broad daylight it’s the little things he does in Unlimited that shows how much he’s grown
Loved watching them so much growing up - still do
it's funny you mention the relationship triangle because they were gentlemen about it. Something that probably solve some issues today. haha
I could listen to you ramble about the DCAU for hours, there's so much to it and hearing people's takes is a delight even to this day
Agreed, they should be friends more often.
They are.
You wouldn't say that if you read the comics.
this video made me so emotional. I grew up with these iterations of Supes and Bats and seeing their friendship/bromance analyzed in such a thoughtful way is amazing. Great work, Leo!
You could talk about this series for the next year and I'd be fine. It's a goldmine of incredible points and life lessons. Not to mention the incredible writing.
There's a moment in the animated adaption of Superman Batman Public Enemies where Lex destroys a remote control for a rocket ship forcing Batman 2 pilot it manually. Superman, who was previously getting bodied by Lex luthor, grabs one of Luther's Kryptonite Fists and crushes it, stating that Batman was his best friend and Luther just killed him. He then proceeds to completely turn the tables and has Lex Luthor running away.
2:39 For some reason, the idea of calling Batman "shy" is just kind of funny to me.
7:20 and also to have a wider and more wholesome family. a bigger family for J'ohnn
The best Superman line was, "It's not how you die that brings you honor, it's how you lived".
This animated universe was my childhood. Meant a lot to me then and more now. This show made me think as a kid. Showed me a complicated world with actual relationships and moral dilemmas. I wish children's entertainment focused more on challenging them.
With the upcoming DCU having both Batman and Superman films in its first chapter, I really hope we get to see a friendship between the two.
Aw, this reminds me of the friendship I share with one of my best friends. He's an eternal optimist that always sees the good in people first. He's been through stuff and seen bad things, but he still stays a light to many. I'm more of a realist and prefer the darker aspects of life and love a good plan, but both of us try to approach everything with empathy first and foremost.
I also loved Lobo trying to replace Superman because power wise he is the closest, but he couldn't be more different in his ideals and morals LOL Lobo is among my favorite comic book characters!
Time to rewatch both justice league shows again
Thank you for doing this…. This video is amazing i know a lot of kids don’t read comics nor was able to see the animated series and only saw batman and superman as 2 guys who hate each other and their moms have the same name (thanks zach) but this is who they are brothers that despite being polar opposites whenever they together they both make each other shine brighter
Something that modern DC can't even comprehend of. Two varying viewpoints working together for a common goal.
I'm so glad I found your channel, oh my god. 😭😭
i love these DCAU series to this day and it's so fantastic to stumble across people who love the show and were impacted by it, too. I enjoy how you talk about the series with a sense of humor (which i love lol) but you don't shy away from its dark themes or harsher subjects in your analysis. I also enjoy your videos on specific characters or relationships (THANK YOU FOR COVERING HUNTRESS AND QUESTION 💙) and how you talk about their struggles and growth. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with us!
It's just a couple of guys, trying to do the right thing; and that's a wholesome premise.
In a more simple time it would be like a policeman and a firefighter working together to save a life.
Or a detective and a reporter
Still top tier versions of both characters..maybe my fav versions of them 🤔🧐
Young Justice has pretty great portrayals of them too, but since the story’s about the younger generation they don’t have as much time to shine
Well done. I don't understand how you keep pumping out bangers at this rate.
They share a lot in common and the respect they have with each other is amazing . They also cover for one another .
My second favorite duo in the DCAU was Hawkgirl and Flash in JL series. I lived for that the little brother, big sister dynamic. Their relationship was just so damn adorable. Even when Hawkgirl betrayed the league, Flash was doing his best to mend her relationship with the rest of the team, especially between her and Wonder Woman. Damn, nothing was better than the JL series.
Thats why DCEU must follow this DCAU ways.
Justice League Unlimited was just awesome dude. It was my childhood all these iconic characters being utilised to their fullest. The show always has a soft spot in my heart because of everything it ever did.
DCAU Batman & Superman are the BEST depictions of these characters outside the comics. I mean,even writers like Scott Snyder gets some inspiration from these depictions when he was doing Justice League. Also,please do a video on WonderBat. I ADORE THAT SHIP SO MUCH
Beautifully written. Thank you.
god i love this, glad that someone finally pointed this out and besides the comics this is the only other iteration that truly shows the true beauty of this friendship
I had to look twice at WW on the thumbnail. To hell with my brain😵💫
The thing that i love about Batman and Superman's friendship is how extremely opposite they are. One is a beacon of hope while the other is the beacon of Fear and Justice.
I hadn't thought about it before, but Bruce is the ultimate personification of Clark's belief in humanity.
Bruce has more excuse than most to turn his back on people and be entirely selfish. He could easily be Luthor. Instead, Bruce believes in the same betterment of humanity. Batman doesn't kill out of fear that he'd do it too much; Batman doesn't kill because he believes that everyone can change, and believes in the total sanctity of life. To Clark, he's proof that you can be Superman without powers. One is more cheerful than the other, obviously, but they have the same fundamental belief in why they do what they do: compassion.
The thumbnail made me think their friendship was a lot closer than we think
That bit from Batman Beyond I always enjoy it when Clark says Bruce is too stubborn to die.
Finally someone acknowledges the brotherhood they should be depicted having. Thank you, sir.
Bats and supes aside, I miss that Diana. Diana was so darn frikking nice back then. They really jumbled up her identities in recent years.
Just another reminder that the DCAU is *GOD-TIER* ! (Hadn't even thought about that identity reveal moment from "Starcrossed" tho. Makes that moment even more AWESOME!)
Some of my favorite B&S moments: Batman visits Superman's grave, Batman holding back Diana, and that moment when they figure out each other's secret identities (Superman cheating and Batman just putting a tracker on his cape then smirking 😂)
The Superman episode where he had to dress up as Batman is my FAVORITE piece of DC media.
3:23 I actually cried at this what the he man this universe is so good
The DCAU was the true DC Universe. RIP Kevin Conroy