Dear Kevin, thanks for all your great work, we really appreciate everything you put out there for us. There are not many entrepreneurs like you. And I know this can't be easy, it needs a lot of courage to do all of that. Can't wait to hear your news!
This deserves a like and share. As a Wordpress user since 2008 I couldn’t agree more. Focus on the fundamentals first should always be the core principle.
Just for some perspective: I'm a Webflow dev that jumped back into WordPress for a project after a few years of being away. And the FRUSTRATION. Every tutorial on even the simplest thing would eventually devolve into "and then I use this premium plugin" to get (what I had assumed) to be rather basic functionality. Everybody are using different tools and different workflows and different page-builders and taking shortcuts and I can't figure out what's "best practice" or a "hack." There are such fundamental differences between full-site-editing themes and non-fse themes that I get whipash every time I try something different. I honestly don't remember it being this bad when I stopped using WordPress a few years ago. This video hits the nail on the head.
@@Gearyco This is true, but paying extra for 'collections' in Webflow was enough to make me go back to WordPress. The Webflow pricing is nauseating (then again, so is the pricing for small Woocommerce plugins). What we really need is openmage + a decent blog and page builder.
Excellent video Kevin and I'm in total agreement with you. When I was a software engineer, all the tools we used were aimed at the professional market. It is quite amazing to me that someone in Wordpress ecosystem decided to go for the "anyone can us it" approach - it totally devalues the industry. You cannot design and build a website without putting the working into to learning how to do it and do it properly. Those that defend the current system are just in denial (confirmation bias?) and when you are in that state, you lose your impartiality - there is also no incentive for WordPress to sort the main issues out. I'm so looking forward to Etch! Thanks again for everything you do for us all!
I have to agree with you there. It's hard to take Wordpress seriously at this stage and as for bringing people around, as you say, it looks like they are mainly impervious to listening.
As a developer, I used to feel embarassed to tell others that I used Wordpress till Bricks came along. Happy to see Kevin changing the game. Still, we can't ignore the reality that websites are getting easier and faster to build. Development is seen as a cost center. Then there are web design influencers propagating the idea that clients don't care about what stack you use as long get the job done. Technically, they are not wrong but as a service provider, maintenance costs will compound. It's up to the devs themselves to communicate and justify technical decisions. I suppose Etch is for people who care about quality and doing things right the first time.
> It is quite amazing to me that someone in Wordpress ecosystem decided to go for the "anyone can us it" approach - it totally devalues the industry This is a bonkers thing to say about a system that was developed as a way to democratize publishing on the web. Like, I also have a lot of feelings about the lack of professionalism in WordPress - the lack of editorial workflows that work for larger teams is a particular issue - but the idea that "someone" in the WordPress ecosystem decided that they should follow an "anyone can use it" model as opposed to being a fundamental philosophical starting point for the open source project I feel shows a big lack of understanding about the project in of itself.
@@ThirdEyeRose - Ah, I see your point and my terminology was bad. I was more suggesting the WordPress "collective" was championing the "anyone can us it" approach. Also, just because it is open source does not mean it shouldn't be aimed at professionals. You can make something easier, more intuitive and "cool" to use without devaluing the industry. I am 100% behind the idea that WordPress should concentrate on the CMS. Database and interface side otherwise, as Kevin says, we may be in a pretty horrible position in a few years time.
#DearWordPress My vote goes to 1) Re-commit to the CMS - it's wildly outdated and underpowered. 2) Freeze all major new Gutenberg features and focus on the UX. Comment: I consider myself being a newbie. When I entered wordpress 5 years ago, the unintuitive and outdated UX baffled me. It was like experiencing an application 20 years ago.
I'm getting vibes that Etch is like WP for Professionals - workflow, interface, features that should be in core, top-down view of page layouts like frames/canvases in Figma... ProWP if you will...
@@stripedgoat8470 Like a Pro Pack! If you use WP professionally for proper projects, then Etch could be the first plugin you install and it's gravy (Digital Gravy) from there on. Especially cool if it doesn't influence the front end output - making it a dev tool to increase usability and productivity during the site build/dev/deploy process. I'm definitely keen to find out... to scratch the Etch itch 😅 It's all speculation, but just based on observations about what's on KG's mind more recently - with good reason!
I love the mission and the passion! Regardless of the Poppy's just the goal alone should be commended. The dedication to WordPress and keeping it #1 in the game is something I have to get behind. Data ownership is #1 priority to me and that's why I chose WordPress though I understand that's not as important to others who are getting into web design. I'm excited to see what Etch brings to the table and hope it raises the bar so everyone in the WP ecosystem raises their standards. Cheers to the next chapter of what's to come!
Straight to the head! 🎉 Yes! Congrats for having the courage to tell this. You are totally right. Let's see how the WordPress leadership responds to this video.
Must say, this guy: Kevin G. is truly amazing/unike in the way he shares his web-dev knowledge, insights and approaches with the world (me and you) in such an inspiring endless flow. It's both informative and entertaining 🎉 I call it infotainment 😂 I'm sincerely happy to be part of this journey. //Theo, Scandinavian senior. Studying is pure fun these days. Either you're an Internet consumer or you are an Internet co-creator, a cyborg.
You mentioned database performance, that is something that has massively improved now there is a core performance team. Both database performance and cache have massively improved.
That moment when the Wordpress army is beginning to lose momentum in the war and you hear the Cavalry reinforcements on the way and Kevin Geary is leading the charge. This was the best wordpress watch of the year. Perfect articulation.
This is a refreshing perspective. I had high hopes for Gutenberg, but now it does feel like we're stuck in a bit of a rut - it feels like using MS Word for desktop publishing. We're all backing multiple horses (builders, block themes etc.), not knowing which one is going to become the dominant player. I've not been this excited about the potential for WordPress in a long time. If nothing else, this will hopefully spark some really good conversations on the future of WP, and who it's for. Fingers crossed...
Every word about WordPress is so true Kevin. I hope that the leadership team of WordPress will get their heads out of their ass and start moving into the 21st century.
** Pre-Announcement: Looking forward to this announcement and the follow up September Etch announcements. ** Post-Announcement: I can't wait to see what's coming! I've only been developing sites since 2013 but Wordpress has become more convoluted and challenging with each release. I've learned so much since adopting the ACSS vision and have come to respect the ideas that Kevin discusses. When he gets worried, I know I better get worried. After listening to this announcement and some recent WDD Live livestreams, I didn't realize just how worried I should be. I'm looking forward to the September announcements and Etch.
Honestly, WordPress has people like Kevin in the community that explain how WordPress can improve and gain a better market share. They should hire you just so they can do that
I was expecting the video to be just this. You’ve been voicing this truth for a while on streams. Now you have more formal statement. I love it and am excited to see what is to come
Inner Circle announcement said to prepare 500-1000 dollars to be able to afford the different plans that will be available. Imo it has to have more added value than Bricks to be worth that so I have my fingers crossed that it will.
@@tudorcelstan Well, interesting. As for me even 500 is a kinda price for a _mature_ product LTD. But anyway, will I in or not in the new product, I wish well for creators
When this is mature it’ll be much much more. You can wait and buy it then - I’ll always take more! People who went through this with ACSS and Frames know to buy early.
Hey Kevin, great breakdown of the WordPress situation. I'm curious to see how Etch is going to address the WordPress concerns you've highlighted. Your track record with Automatic CSS and Frames has me excited for what's coming. Looking forward to those September livestreams to see how you're planning to tackle these challenges.
Thank you so much for sharing this exciting news about the etch project! It’s clear that there’s a significant need for revitalization and improvement within WordPress, and I’m eager to see how etch will address the current challenges we’re facing. The transformative approach you’re describing could be a crucial step forward in enhancing the user experience and providing more advanced tools for professionals. I fully agree that it’s time for substantial change, including a renewed focus on the CMS, a unified user interface, and better alignment with modern design standards. I’m excited to learn more about how etch plans to tackle these issues. I will definitely sign up for the waiting list to attend the private live streams and look forward to getting more details.
Absolutely 100% I - as a 15 year WP user/dev - agree with what has been said in this video! In 2009 WP was exciting, in 2024 it's just a necessary evil. Let's do this thing!
Good luck Kevin on your newest adventure (although you don't really need it 😁) and thank you for bringing fresh air to WordPress and its community! Eager to see what comes next. Stay fit and sleep well! 😁🍀
As a WordPress developer I 100% agree. Block development is such a pain in the ass for us developers, and there is no consistent API, similar to Elementor for example. Sometimes to achieve a basic thing you have to write literally hundreds of lines of code spread across multiple files. Styling of default elements became slightly consistent thanks to the theme.json but it's still far from perfect.
My current project is not using WordPress; instead, I went fully custom. With Claude's help, this is going much faster and better than I could have ever imagined. I’m not sure if there will be a place for any builder in the future, as AI can assist in incredible ways.
WP Fork incoming 👀 *slightly laughing - but in reality hoping xD* (i really love bricks and your work adding onto it with ACSS and Frames, please don't "just" launch your own site-editor - we use bricks + bricksforge for VERY dynamic things and webapps powered by WP.... i know it's gonna be great, no matter whats coming exactly. i love you for upgrading my workflow to its capacity it has become. even if it's a builder... it's gonna be great. but dear god please let it be a "redone" WP Core/UI of some sort...)
In the past I build my own backend for my customers while WordPress it self is aweful for new clients, but I'm not really happy because it's more a workaround not more. I subscribed and looking forward. 🙂
Well said Kevin, I am creating WP sites for about 10+ years - always was hot and new client's was hyped about it. Now I can see the downfall unfortunately, wordpress really need to change as a CMS and to fix that UI. Hope they will do it and do it soon
Same - I've been watching WP dev for a year just trying to find meaningful updates on the new admin layout and theme. Nothing else they're doing excites me or positively impacts me with me current stack
Dear Wordpress, stop being the slowest to improve company ever. Only because of fav theme companies like Nectar And Blocksy and Greatives is why I’m still on board -The WordPress Ninja
The status quo has made WP owner Automatic billions of dollars. Why would they want to adapt, like Blockbuster, when they turned down the offer to buy Netflix they were making record profits. A few years later they were bankrupt. Blockbuster stakeholders should have quit at the peak and bought private islands for themselves. The owner of Automatic already has three private islands, I mean he could for all I know.
WordPress seems more focused on pushing collaboration and workflows with Phase 3 of the Gutenberg project, rather than improving the core CMS architecture and user experience. It feels like they're prioritizing features over refining the basics.
Imagine them having to do a feature freeze, yet they are so behind already they dont even have breakpoints... And they want us to switch from pagebuilders
@@felix8043 Min height is the absolute worst approach to section size / white space and it's the method Elementor encourages everyone to use. You can see *one* of the reasons for this when I go through the breakpoints.
I've been holding my own conversations with folks about some of this. Can you site your sources for the metrics so I can look into them more deeply? I'm especially interested in percentage of new projects being started.
All metrics except that one came from wp internal survey 2023. The new projects metric came from Jamie marsland’s video a couple weeks ago. I’d have to dig up the link.
Not really. Been ill since January. Here for a PetCT. Been here for 2 hours & still waiting. I hope I can catch up with a replay of it. Wishing you every success - I’m sure this will be the case. Waiting for September ❤!
Starting to sound a lot like "Bricks for pros" and while I do agree with this direction as a whole (if that is what etch is) I just hope that the massive community of early adopting users needed can be found to keep this alive long enough for roots to take shape.
@@theiceman316 half the people think it's "another" CMS. Or "another" WP UI tool. And on and on. So, just wanted to clarify that it's not another anything.
Yeh I've lost enthusiasm for expanding my developer skillset in wordpress. It's like an uphill battle, constantly having to rationalise and decide which method/plugin/framework/solution to use, in order to achieve a basic requirement. Especially when it comes to e-commerce.
You might be doing a disservice to the products you already have available by keeping this under wraps. It could be a barrier to those who have yet to purchase your tools, as this feels like it could be slotted in and cost another fistful of cash for a very limited amount of activations. Beyond that, you've created a video called "Dear WordPress" and linked it to Etch without really giving a clear reason why, or even what it is. Not trolling, just not sure what the purpose was of throwing the two into the same bowl and mixing them up and then keeping a huge part of it secret.
Okay. Stay closed to honest, non-trolling observations from prospective clients and choose to be thin-skinned. Very sure I never questioned your professionalism. I am now. I guess you don't think the people behind WordPress are professionals? (Rhetorical question since you obviously don't... judging by your own response.) Hubris is not your friend. Have a great day.
This is exactly on point! 100% agreed and hope WP higher ups take note. All the feedback seems to be overwhelmingly positive. I'm curious, has there been any significant negative pushback, or even negative interaction on this yet?
Please for the love of God, you missed several points. You missed that we also need integration with Social Login. Please we need native Social Login integration. We also need the top 1000 Plugins or so to be compatible with each other.
![I Replaced ALL my ADOBE APPS with these [free or cheaper] Alternatives!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/5EfqHg49kMk/mqdefault.jpg)
WordPress isn't dead, it just smells funny. Gutenberg on the other hand, is terminal. :)
Should we notify the family?
Dear Kevin, thanks for all your great work, we really appreciate everything you put out there for us. There are not many entrepreneurs like you. And I know this can't be easy, it needs a lot of courage to do all of that. Can't wait to hear your news!
Thanks for the support!
So looking forward to the Etch announcement, development, and release. Once again, Kevin articulately spelled out the problems so many of us see.
This deserves a like and share. As a Wordpress user since 2008 I couldn’t agree more.
Focus on the fundamentals first should always be the core principle.
Just for some perspective: I'm a Webflow dev that jumped back into WordPress for a project after a few years of being away.
And the FRUSTRATION.
Every tutorial on even the simplest thing would eventually devolve into "and then I use this premium plugin" to get (what I had assumed) to be rather basic functionality. Everybody are using different tools and different workflows and different page-builders and taking shortcuts and I can't figure out what's "best practice" or a "hack."
There are such fundamental differences between full-site-editing themes and non-fse themes that I get whipash every time I try something different. I honestly don't remember it being this bad when I stopped using WordPress a few years ago. This video hits the nail on the head.
I completely sympathize with you. You’re not alone.
@@Gearyco This is true, but paying extra for 'collections' in Webflow was enough to make me go back to WordPress. The Webflow pricing is nauseating (then again, so is the pricing for small Woocommerce plugins). What we really need is openmage + a decent blog and page builder.
Excellent video Kevin and I'm in total agreement with you. When I was a software engineer, all the tools we used were aimed at the professional market. It is quite amazing to me that someone in Wordpress ecosystem decided to go for the "anyone can us it" approach - it totally devalues the industry. You cannot design and build a website without putting the working into to learning how to do it and do it properly. Those that defend the current system are just in denial (confirmation bias?) and when you are in that state, you lose your impartiality - there is also no incentive for WordPress to sort the main issues out. I'm so looking forward to Etch! Thanks again for everything you do for us all!
I have to agree with you there. It's hard to take Wordpress seriously at this stage and as for bringing people around, as you say, it looks like they are mainly impervious to listening.
As a developer, I used to feel embarassed to tell others that I used Wordpress till Bricks came along. Happy to see Kevin changing the game.
Still, we can't ignore the reality that websites are getting easier and faster to build. Development is seen as a cost center. Then there are web design influencers propagating the idea that clients don't care about what stack you use as long get the job done. Technically, they are not wrong but as a service provider, maintenance costs will compound.
It's up to the devs themselves to communicate and justify technical decisions. I suppose Etch is for people who care about quality and doing things right the first time.
> It is quite amazing to me that someone in Wordpress ecosystem decided to go for the "anyone can us it" approach - it totally devalues the industry
This is a bonkers thing to say about a system that was developed as a way to democratize publishing on the web. Like, I also have a lot of feelings about the lack of professionalism in WordPress - the lack of editorial workflows that work for larger teams is a particular issue - but the idea that "someone" in the WordPress ecosystem decided that they should follow an "anyone can use it" model as opposed to being a fundamental philosophical starting point for the open source project I feel shows a big lack of understanding about the project in of itself.
@@ThirdEyeRose - Ah, I see your point and my terminology was bad. I was more suggesting the WordPress "collective" was championing the "anyone can us it" approach. Also, just because it is open source does not mean it shouldn't be aimed at professionals. You can make something easier, more intuitive and "cool" to use without devaluing the industry. I am 100% behind the idea that WordPress should concentrate on the CMS. Database and interface side otherwise, as Kevin says, we may be in a pretty horrible position in a few years time.
#DearWordPress
My vote goes to
1) Re-commit to the CMS - it's wildly outdated and underpowered.
2) Freeze all major new Gutenberg features and focus on the UX.
Comment:
I consider myself being a newbie. When I entered wordpress 5 years ago, the unintuitive and outdated UX baffled me. It was like experiencing an application 20 years ago.
Dear WordPress, We would be thrilled if you could join us for this upcoming event stream. It would mean the world to us!
Kevin awakened the sleeping WordPress community
Watch out everybody, Kevin is after the user base of the Classic Editor plugin ;-)
🤣🤣🤣
What about the Disable Gutenberg Plugin community ? Gutenberg is a garbage that wordpress didnt need
I'm getting vibes that Etch is like WP for Professionals - workflow, interface, features that should be in core, top-down view of page layouts like frames/canvases in Figma... ProWP if you will...
That's my bet, too.
Something like a “service pack” for Wordpress?
@@stripedgoat8470 Like a Pro Pack! If you use WP professionally for proper projects, then Etch could be the first plugin you install and it's gravy (Digital Gravy) from there on. Especially cool if it doesn't influence the front end output - making it a dev tool to increase usability and productivity during the site build/dev/deploy process. I'm definitely keen to find out... to scratch the Etch itch 😅 It's all speculation, but just based on observations about what's on KG's mind more recently - with good reason!
@@stripedgoat8470 WP PowerToys!
@@GrantHawkeyyeah it’s gonna be interesting for sure! I’m super curious
That's great Kevin, you are the best! You talk instead of thousands of WordPress users that they can't talk to WordPress developers
I love the mission and the passion! Regardless of the Poppy's just the goal alone should be commended. The dedication to WordPress and keeping it #1 in the game is something I have to get behind. Data ownership is #1 priority to me and that's why I chose WordPress though I understand that's not as important to others who are getting into web design. I'm excited to see what Etch brings to the table and hope it raises the bar so everyone in the WP ecosystem raises their standards. Cheers to the next chapter of what's to come!
Correct. Etch is just a piece of the larger puzzle of getting WordPress back to market dominance. We need everyone on board.
Straight to the head! 🎉 Yes! Congrats for having the courage to tell this. You are totally right. Let's see how the WordPress leadership responds to this video.
Must say, this guy: Kevin G. is truly amazing/unike in the way he shares his web-dev knowledge, insights and approaches with the world (me and you) in such an inspiring endless flow. It's both informative and entertaining 🎉 I call it infotainment 😂 I'm sincerely happy to be part of this journey.
//Theo, Scandinavian senior. Studying is pure fun these days. Either you're an Internet consumer or you are an Internet co-creator, a cyborg.
Thanks for the support!
@@Gearyco 🤩
Cannot agree more!!!❤
You mentioned database performance, that is something that has massively improved now there is a core performance team. Both database performance and cache have massively improved.
All improvements are welcome. The architecture is still way behind the times, though.
That moment when the Wordpress army is beginning to lose momentum in the war and you hear the Cavalry reinforcements on the way and Kevin Geary is leading the charge. This was the best wordpress watch of the year. Perfect articulation.
Thanks for your support :)
This is a refreshing perspective. I had high hopes for Gutenberg, but now it does feel like we're stuck in a bit of a rut - it feels like using MS Word for desktop publishing. We're all backing multiple horses (builders, block themes etc.), not knowing which one is going to become the dominant player. I've not been this excited about the potential for WordPress in a long time. If nothing else, this will hopefully spark some really good conversations on the future of WP, and who it's for. Fingers crossed...
Well said!
Every word about WordPress is so true Kevin. I hope that the leadership team of WordPress will get their heads out of their ass and start moving into the 21st century.
** Pre-Announcement: Looking forward to this announcement and the follow up September Etch announcements. ** Post-Announcement: I can't wait to see what's coming! I've only been developing sites since 2013 but Wordpress has become more convoluted and challenging with each release. I've learned so much since adopting the ACSS vision and have come to respect the ideas that Kevin discusses. When he gets worried, I know I better get worried. After listening to this announcement and some recent WDD Live livestreams, I didn't realize just how worried I should be. I'm looking forward to the September announcements and Etch.
Giddy as a little school girl, can't wait! 😁
Waitlisted! :) Is Bricks Builder still going to be a thing with Etch?
Honestly, WordPress has people like Kevin in the community that explain how WordPress can improve and gain a better market share. They should hire you just so they can do that
I'm not for sale ;)
@@Gearyco 🤣🤣
Excited for what Chef Geary and the Crew have been cooking 👀
I was expecting the video to be just this. You’ve been voicing this truth for a while on streams. Now you have more formal statement. I love it and am excited to see what is to come
I'm intrigued and I'm bringing popcorn.
*_Hey!_** Nice warm-up, hope we don't have to sell a limb to pay for this* 😹😭
Inner Circle announcement said to prepare 500-1000 dollars to be able to afford the different plans that will be available. Imo it has to have more added value than Bricks to be worth that so I have my fingers crossed that it will.
@@tudorcelstan Plus as has been pointed our elsewhere it doesn't need to be your *own* limb (or kidney) which funds it ... :)
This is the most important detail -- it can be anyone's limb.
@@tudorcelstan Well, interesting. As for me even 500 is a kinda price for a _mature_ product LTD. But anyway, will I in or not in the new product, I wish well for creators
When this is mature it’ll be much much more. You can wait and buy it then - I’ll always take more! People who went through this with ACSS and Frames know to buy early.
Hey Kevin, great breakdown of the WordPress situation. I'm curious to see how Etch is going to address the WordPress concerns you've highlighted. Your track record with Automatic CSS and Frames has me excited for what's coming. Looking forward to those September livestreams to see how you're planning to tackle these challenges.
Thanks for the support!
Can't wait for you to bring the 🔥 🔥🔥 in this video KG!! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Thank you so much for sharing this exciting news about the etch project! It’s clear that there’s a significant need for revitalization and improvement within WordPress, and I’m eager to see how etch will address the current challenges we’re facing. The transformative approach you’re describing could be a crucial step forward in enhancing the user experience and providing more advanced tools for professionals.
I fully agree that it’s time for substantial change, including a renewed focus on the CMS, a unified user interface, and better alignment with modern design standards. I’m excited to learn more about how etch plans to tackle these issues.
I will definitely sign up for the waiting list to attend the private live streams and look forward to getting more details.
Absolutely 100% I - as a 15 year WP user/dev - agree with what has been said in this video! In 2009 WP was exciting, in 2024 it's just a necessary evil. Let's do this thing!
Let's make it exciting again!
As expected, a brilliant introduction to ETCH! I'm voting for #5! All the points made by you, need to be addressed.
Hope it's not another WAAS or builder :))
I really do hope it's a fork that is a "clean" version of WP optimized for websites that are not blogs.
🤐
it's def not a fork of WP - Kevin confirmed that in his WDD stream yesterday.
Good luck Kevin on your newest adventure (although you don't really need it 😁) and thank you for bringing fresh air to WordPress and its community! Eager to see what comes next. Stay fit and sleep well! 😁🍀
Love your work Kevin. I’ve literally based my entire wordpress journey on everything you teach!
You rock!
As a WordPress developer I 100% agree. Block development is such a pain in the ass for us developers, and there is no consistent API, similar to Elementor for example. Sometimes to achieve a basic thing you have to write literally hundreds of lines of code spread across multiple files. Styling of default elements became slightly consistent thanks to the theme.json but it's still far from perfect.
Yep!
I tried not to be, but I'm really hyped for this video (this comment was written is pre release)
Glad you exist as a leader who stood up! Chapeau! I will follow!
Thx! The more the merrier!
My current project is not using WordPress; instead, I went fully custom. With Claude's help, this is going much faster and better than I could have ever imagined. I’m not sure if there will be a place for any builder in the future, as AI can assist in incredible ways.
What’s your stack?
@stephendunning1510 Can you share details of this project?
Damn, 1k views already! Let's feed the algorithm some more. This needs to be seen for WP and Automattic to wake up.
WP Fork incoming 👀 *slightly laughing - but in reality hoping xD*
(i really love bricks and your work adding onto it with ACSS and Frames, please don't "just" launch your own site-editor - we use bricks + bricksforge for VERY dynamic things and webapps powered by WP.... i know it's gonna be great, no matter whats coming exactly. i love you for upgrading my workflow to its capacity it has become. even if it's a builder... it's gonna be great. but dear god please let it be a "redone" WP Core/UI of some sort...)
You've perfectly summarized the problem. I'm looking forward to seeing what you've come up with to tackle it.
Judging by the title, I feel like this is gonna be 🔥😎
Looking forward to the new 'modern website' part!!!! please continue it!
Thank you SOOOO much by the way for it!
Same. You know whatever this is will be fundamentally useful and practical to our businesses
The plot thickens… and I’m still very much
in!
We do need something to change and all the reasons were well articulated here. Looking forward to the Sept live streams!
In the past I build my own backend for my customers while WordPress it self is aweful for new clients, but I'm not really happy because it's more a workaround not more.
I subscribed and looking forward. 🙂
Well said Kevin, I am creating WP sites for about 10+ years - always was hot and new client's was hyped about it.
Now I can see the downfall unfortunately, wordpress really need to change as a CMS and to fix that UI.
Hope they will do it and do it soon
So you've seen a definite change in sentiment toward WP in your client base?
@@Gearyco Yeah definitely
I really hope this will steer WP in the right direction.
Same - I've been watching WP dev for a year just trying to find meaningful updates on the new admin layout and theme. Nothing else they're doing excites me or positively impacts me with me current stack
@@redefinedcreative This.
Dear Wordpress, stop being the slowest to improve company ever. Only because of fav theme companies like Nectar And Blocksy and Greatives is why I’m still on board
-The WordPress Ninja
The status quo has made WP owner Automatic billions of dollars. Why would they want to adapt, like Blockbuster, when they turned down the offer to buy Netflix they were making record profits. A few years later they were bankrupt. Blockbuster stakeholders should have quit at the peak and bought private islands for themselves. The owner of Automatic already has three private islands, I mean he could for all I know.
“It’s about to go down” - Kevin Hart
let me guess etch is going to be an announcement of an announcement of a secret mastermind
Don't let the cat out of the bag.
Is it wednesday yet? Bring on the goods Kevin
WordPress seems more focused on pushing collaboration and workflows with Phase 3 of the Gutenberg project, rather than improving the core CMS architecture and user experience. It feels like they're prioritizing features over refining the basics.
Imagine them having to do a feature freeze, yet they are so behind already they dont even have breakpoints... And they want us to switch from pagebuilders
Great video, Kevin, thanks. Will Etch (whatever it turns out to be) build on Automatic.css and Frames or will it replace the need for those tools?
He said it won't replace them (and I seem to remember that it won't depend on them either, but don't quote me on that second part)
This
Awesomely awesome awesomeness 🙏🤗💕
4:10 nice move showing that min-height slider in Elementor!
Only the real ones know what they were looking at there.
Why ? Because no max height ?
@@felix8043 Min height is the absolute worst approach to section size / white space and it's the method Elementor encourages everyone to use. You can see *one* of the reasons for this when I go through the breakpoints.
Excited to see some hope for Wordpress's future!
I've been holding my own conversations with folks about some of this. Can you site your sources for the metrics so I can look into them more deeply? I'm especially interested in percentage of new projects being started.
All metrics except that one came from wp internal survey 2023. The new projects metric came from Jamie marsland’s video a couple weeks ago. I’d have to dig up the link.
@@Gearyco Thanks. That helps. I do know of Jaime's video - which references the talk The Future of WordPress - Noel Tock at WordCamp Asia 2024
I hope I’m back from the hospital in time. This is so blinkin’ typical!
Oh no, everything ok?
Not really. Been ill since January. Here for a PetCT. Been here for 2 hours & still waiting. I hope I can catch up with a replay of it. Wishing you every success - I’m sure this will be the case. Waiting for September ❤!
@@LupusDesign ugh, so sorry to hear that :/ -- Sending positive vibes your way for a turnaround!
@@LupusDesign Man I hope you'll be well again soon. Sending my best wishes!
@@GearycoThank you Kevin!
Amen.
thanks for your work! I am very excited. It can only be good!
Holly Molly this is also going to be goooood.
Starting to sound a lot like "Bricks for pros" and while I do agree with this direction as a whole (if that is what etch is) I just hope that the massive community of early adopting users needed can be found to keep this alive long enough for roots to take shape.
Think bigger.
So exciting mate!
Agree, WP needs a core update/redesign ASAP, Thanks Kev!
Kevin Geary, Keep it up, and let's collab sometime!
"The beat goes on, and I'm so wrong."
~ WordPress - Dancing Fool
Thanks for engaging.
@@Gearyco Frank Zappa, from the 70's.
Looking forward KG!!!
The Geary Manifesto
Top of his game! Can't wait
Yayyyy! I made it!
We switched to webflow and framer long ago man…
Bummer :/
where is the "take my money" button... can't wait to see what you've got up your sleeve...
such a tease 😆
Masterclass on how to take over an entire industry! It’s been amazing watching Kevin work. He had me at Owl spacing 😂.
OG!
Gutenberg was so badly executed it hurts. Wordpress is hurting. Do you think wordpress will have a saying in the ecom space?
100% Agree. I'm a die hard WP user but for large projects I moved to react and next js. its just more reliable and scalable.
Gah, lost another 🥺
How do your clients edit the sites, are you using a headless cms?
Powerful video Kevin!
This sounds great and all... but what is the product? Another builder?
We don't build "another" anything.
@@Gearyco So... it's a builder?
@@theiceman316 half the people think it's "another" CMS. Or "another" WP UI tool. And on and on. So, just wanted to clarify that it's not another anything.
your smile tells everything 😄
Looking forward to it!
Yeh I've lost enthusiasm for expanding my developer skillset in wordpress. It's like an uphill battle, constantly having to rationalise and decide which method/plugin/framework/solution to use, in order to achieve a basic requirement. Especially when it comes to e-commerce.
E-commerce is a beast
Thanks for your video!
You might be doing a disservice to the products you already have available by keeping this under wraps. It could be a barrier to those who have yet to purchase your tools, as this feels like it could be slotted in and cost another fistful of cash for a very limited amount of activations. Beyond that, you've created a video called "Dear WordPress" and linked it to Etch without really giving a clear reason why, or even what it is. Not trolling, just not sure what the purpose was of throwing the two into the same bowl and mixing them up and then keeping a huge part of it secret.
It’ll be ok. I’m a professional. people who own ACSS and frames will be happy they do. Etch only adds value to their existing life.
Okay. Stay closed to honest, non-trolling observations from prospective clients and choose to be thin-skinned.
Very sure I never questioned your professionalism. I am now.
I guess you don't think the people behind WordPress are professionals? (Rhetorical question since you obviously don't... judging by your own response.)
Hubris is not your friend.
Have a great day.
You're close to becoming a meme now, Kevin. Ego... the great destroyer.
This is exactly on point! 100% agreed and hope WP higher ups take note.
All the feedback seems to be overwhelmingly positive. I'm curious, has there been any significant negative pushback, or even negative interaction on this yet?
Nope. Not by anyone with a real account. Just a few resident trolls who attack anything and everything I do.
@@Gearyco trolls become white noise quickly, easy to tune out.
Looking forward!
Me too!
Ready 😎
Cannot wait 🤓
Please for the love of God, you missed several points.
You missed that we also need integration with Social Login. Please we need native Social Login integration.
We also need the top 1000 Plugins or so to be compatible with each other.
What is ETCH again?
well said man
got my tissue paper ready
Can't wait :). I like the new shirt though.
Woot woot! I can’t wait! 😃🙌🏻
Is Etch a fork of WordPress or a headless version for CMS?
Not a fork.
WORDPRESS RIOT IS HEEEERE!!!
So you are giving up on ACSS?
We just spent $50k+ rebuilding it, what do you think?
@@Gearyco great news
Meh, I and our clients love Gutenberg. We've embraced it.
Perfect. Make sure you attend the livestream.