Real Hip Hop Vs. Fake Hip Hop Part 2: Viewers Choice Edition
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To celebrate such an achievement, we're doing one for you loyal viewers and responding to some of your most passionate comments.
It's the Real Hip Hop vs. Fake Hip Hop: Viewers Choice Edition. Let’s break it down…
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i almost left when you said Young Money vs 36 Chambers until you said playing
Me too,I literally said what the fuck,until he cleared it up,lol
Lmao same
IMO, the only fake rap is from commercials where some marketing folks thought shoving a rap song into their ad would appeal to the kids. Or corny videos you'd watch in school where some dork would be like "I'm MC Ted and I'm here to say / I like mathematics in a major way" XD
dont disrespect MC Ted like that... that line is hard don't even play LMAOOO
Bruh, to mock this line I said "I'm MC Ted and I'm here to say, that I'm super duper fucking gay" in a Ken Kaniff voice
This palm tree is smart
Lol
word
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Is it weird that i binge the shit out of these breakdown videos and I don’t even listen to hip hop?
Do ya thing bruv
give hip hop a listen, you might like it.
If you like these videos, you might like Hip Hop.
I absolutely love this channel and the way you guys think. Its so much of maturity and acceptance. That's what the world needs. No doubt there are trashy mumble rappers around but you guys try to make bad things sound good. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion about a rapper and his rhymes, flow, delivery etc. Shout out from singapore, mad love.
I love how you break things down. I 'm not sure about some of the comparisons but still like the video. I think the biggest problem is that when you criticize the lesser skilled rappers like 69 or Lil Pump, people cry that you are hating or a clout chaser. Back in the day if someone got dissed you proved them wrong by getting better and out rapping them, not out whining them.
Hallelujah Hollaback TV remember, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
I agree with the comparisons part. To compare the growth of sound and technology to video games is a bit of a stretch. He could have compared it to movies and the quality of the film. Because sometimes like an old song, an old movie is just so good that you would watch it over and over again but you can't deny the fact that movies now go above and beyond our imagination because we have the technology to produce such a film.
Such as music. The sound is clear and the bass is excellent with the different ranges. We have heard new sounds that catch our attention and it gets used more and more because of it. But lets not forget the true hart of all of this. A good song, just like movies, needs a good story.
I just think movies are a better comparison as I have never seen anyone go back and play an old Nintendo game or Sega game like I've seen people go back and watch an old movie.
Berry it's fun music
Hallelujah Hollaback TV facts
Jack Mehoff those some J Cole lyrics.
Real hip hop
As a 40 year old man I used to shit on the hip hop of today but as a certified gym rat I realized that I wasn't listening to Wu-Tang or Biggie in the gym, it was Future that had me hitting extra reps. My point is if it makes your head nod then it can't be that bad.
Steven Mckay By that logic who needs rappers? All we need are a bunch of Lil' Jons and Jermaine Dupris...
Bebo Petee we did have a bunch of lil jons and Jermaine dupris, but that didn't last long. The reason hip hop changes so much is because it's powered by the youth, which means whoever they grew up listening too their gonna emulate and evolve said sound. Bottom line most kids didn't grow up on 90s shit because most of them are under 16 and unless you seek it out or have a person around you playing that shit you didn't grow up on it. Im 21 my parents are only 10 years older than ole boy above I got the luxury of growing up on the motown sound and old school r&b and funk and 90s hip hop but saying that not everyone is like that, most these kids grew up listening too chief keef or Gucci or Wayne and rock artists.
Bebo Petee alot of these kids say they also listened too rock, specifically punk and metal bands which make sense giving what they wear and the music they make how it sonically sounds it sounds like they took chief keef and mashed him up with say a Billie Joe or a Chester Bennington.
Bebo Petee pretty much rap isn't just what they and I soley grew up on (Because the fact I know the lead singer and of said bands first names lets you know I was in that culture for awhile) alot of them that's making that type of music likes the Gothic type of girls and grew up listening too rock and rap and decided too evolve both
Alexa play XO tour life (nods head) 😂
Yooo Murs.... its always a pleasure to enjoy videos and your analysis about hip hop is excellent. Peace and love from Germany
Ahhhh hell yeah!! oder Ahhhh Hölle jaa!!
I just feel the need to say that death metal isnt all about killing yourself. im a big fan of both genres here and found it hypercritical to dismiss what someone calls fake rape and then generalize yourself about death metal. i'm sure it was meant as a joke for how outrageous the one guy's comments were, but just saying
fuck yeah, thank you!!!
As someone who embraces both hip-hop and metal, i completely agree
Fuck yeah
Just discovered and I love this show. No satire just real grown hip hop breakdowns. Keep it going please!!!
For real man do you eat fistfuls of leadership books for breakfast? Just this week it hit me that radio isnt stale anymore. And you're right, its the collabs, kings dead hits the 3 lanes theory. I'm very thankful for where hiphop is, and if hiphop is by some extension a reflection of life itself, the less divisive the better. I owe dx for that these past years. Theres def bullshit in every aspect from music to worldviews but when you can find any thread of unity then the talkin starts. Piece on hickhop is a punch in the gut to universal narrowmindedness. Youre distillin complicated truths better than Ive heard from any Sunday pulpit. Its crazy man for real. You might be changin minds. Changin lives. Crazy. On 11 min hiphip talks. Damn.
Drew Charpentier trues has been said. And the truth will release us
I had to clutch my invisible pearls when you said you were putting Enter the 36 chambers up against that Young Money album! But then you said you were just kidding 😄
Kristin M I literally spit out my Sprite when he said that.... Murs got us all good
Lol. You're funny. But it was indeed alarming
I can’t believe he thinks Carter 3 had bars. That Young Money album was garbage! Mack Maine garbage ass flow. Corny boy Gudda Gudda. Nicki’s stank ass on the cover. I do agree Oxymoron, Watch the Throne, & 2014 FHD can compete with the old school and win. Yo he’s right though 69 boys, and Tag team. Those niggas were garbage.
I thought the same thing lol.... Well i don't have pearls to clutch, but i basically had the same reaction
Bro I literally was about to go off on him
Comparing Apples to Lemons, as Murs put it, is something people only use to satisfy their confirmation bias. You can use it in literally any point no matter how dumb, totally subjective or flat out incorrect it is. Let me show you all the stupid ways you can use that argument:
Compare Kingdom come to The Marshall Mathers LP, Eminem is better than Jay-Z
Compare Revival to The Black Album, Jay-Z is better than Eminem
Compare Metalica to Lil Pump, Rock is better than Hip-Hop
Compare Falling In Reverse to Rakim, Hip-Hop is better than Rock
Compare Ja Rule to Ice Cube, West coast is better than East Coast
Compare MC Hammer to Biggie, East Cost is better than West Coast
You see why that argument doesn't work on any level now?
Second Avenger Nice point you made! 👍
Adding to this but taking it out of music,
Compare Teddy Roosevelt to Bill Clinton. Republicans make better presidents
Compare George W Bush to JFK. Democrats make better presidents
Man, East vs West is probably the most subjective thing in hip-hop. I'm personally more of an East guy(even some of my favorite guys from the West like Hieroglyphics have a sound that's closer to the East), but there's literally no way to make an argument that one's better then the other. The fact that people still argue about that drives me up the wall as a hip-hop fan.
Justin Briggs That... was exactly my point... How did you manage to miss the top 4 paragraphs where I rant about how dumb the Apples to Lemmons argument is?
and hey, when life gives you lemons, you paint that shit gold
"Trying to get Coke out of a Pepsi Machine" That's going to go around... love the "My Neighbor Totoro" /"Okja"(?) shirt
Couldn't stop looking at it.
So glad that you post these without bias, thanks Fam!
I've enjoyed watching your content grow and get better. I love the perspective you bring to hip-hop. 🌴
Damn Murs ether those comments lmao
Im a death metal head murs cut that shit! Haha but great breakdown man, people need to lay off mumble rap. If you dont like it dont listen, its that simple
Jake Shephard yo lmao i was ab to say that like come on bro dont do death metal dirty like thay it just cleanses your soul from anger 😂
I was like "WHAT!" Death metal doesn't make me want to kill people. That's Norwegian black metal like Mayhem. Who actually killed people and burned churches lol but I don't expect murs to know anything about metal haha
Don't listen???? U cant turn on the radio without hearin tht bullshit
\m/ love melodic deathmetal murder rap and all music in between the two except most pop, but music is music as long as its good n is meaningful I fks wit it
Celsius TheImperial Dangerz Own Then turn off the radio, get a aux cord, by some CD's,etc. You have options.
To me, it seems that “unserious” hiphop has become a larger and larger part of the hiphop scene - that, to me, seems to be the problem!!
True too much stubbornness isn't entirely helping either. The Hardcore Hip-Hop artists look down on the artistic diverse rappers e.g. Tyler the Creator, Denzel, Phonte, Noveliss, Mad Squablz & that's damaging to their own culture. It's not just about lyrics it's about the meaning & expression too. You get told you can't make music seriously or else you'll get ignored by the fake pop rap peeps or the pretentious keep it real heads. Can't catch a break they'll do anything to deny you props. Why do they complain it all sounds the same then get mad when someone does something creative? this is a problem too much ignorance & misunderstanding on all sides how it even holds together I have no clue. There's goats everywhere there's no such thing as one to rule them all! that's all I gotta say
Murs is what I imagine my record player would look like as a person
That dude with the really long comment has obviously never seen a drill video, those videos are shot in the ghetto usually and gives you a dangerous vibe.
you mean drill videos from the army?
jk, trill recognize trill
*THEY LOOK LIKE BUNCH OF CLOWNS!* Ever been to *Compton* in the FUCKING 80s and the 90s. That's scary shit nigga
Yah those bangers looked scary as hell, but those chi raq dudes are scary as well, they have much less trigger discipline than the old bangers, these cats from Chicago will shoot anyone without thinking twice, they don’t follow the same code as the older generation
Shady 596x yeah they are stupid. They aren't making money, where's the Gs with the money? All they do is rob each other. Eather sell crack or stop
Lmao chief keef lil reese and fredo are the real deal
Don't get so mad when a new rapper says his better then Tupac cuz when Pac was considered new he said he was better then Rakim and KRS One.
Pac didn't say that, besides he payed tribute to those before him. You would never see xxxtentacion write raps like this vvv
I remember Mr. Magic, Flash, Grandmaster Caz
LL raising hell but, that didn't last
Eric B. & Rakim was, the shit to me
I flip to see a Doug E. Fresh show, with Ricky D
And Red Alert was puttin in work, with Chuck Chill
Had my homies on the hill getting ill, when shit was real
Went out to steal, remember Raw, with Daddy Kane
When De La Soul was puttin Potholes in the game
I can't explain how it was, Whodini
Had me puffin on that buddha gettin buzzed, cause there I was
Them block parties in the projects, and on my block
You diggy don't stop, sippin on that Private Stock
Through my speaker Queen Latifah, and MC Lyte
Listen to Treach, KRS to get me through the night
With T La Rock and Mantronix, to Stetsasonic
Remember "Push It" was the bomb shit, nuttin like the old school
Even if Pac would said something like that, he had skill to at least try back up his words. But when some lil something is saying he is better than Pac and can't even freestyle? It's wack
Living Legends is real hip-hop
Hey Murs, first thing gotta say you have my respect. You present the breakdown with feeling and facts. With respect for all.
Although I don't always agree with everything on the show, you always welcome all views into the culture.
I used to follow hip hop back in the day (Golden age) until some unfortunate incidents where my friend and I were threatened and forced out of a club because we were told "White people don't like rap!"
Shortly after that there were a series of violence against suburban kids that liked the music. After that I drifted away from hip hop and rap music (except for the Beasties) as I get older I'm expanding my musical tastes and exploring hip hop again. I love your show because I can learn about the different styles, rap history and explore the music and find out what I like without judgment of going to the clubs. Or buying a ton of CDs and hopefully I like something.
Thanks Bro!!! Keep doing what you're doing!!!!
Murs!!! You the realest for this bro!! Great perspective and understanding of the craft new and old! Respect!!
This is the same thing that is happening in the Animation industry. The old heads of Animation are basically saying the same thing. "THIS AIN'T ANIMATION, THIS FLASH ANIMATION AND 3D ANIMATION IS KILLING TRADITIONAL ANIMATION." It blows my mind to see this argument, but it's fun having them.
Not all change is good.
Malik Haskins Change still needs to happen, it will still happen, and it will probably run you over if you're still in the middle of the road screaming for it to stop when it's all up in your face. Just get on the bandwagon and put your own spin on it, that's just how it's done.
As both a big Hip Hop head and animation lover I can confirm this 🙃🙃🙃
I appreciate today’s rap but I love 80,&90’s more. Though the beats are better now. (Depending in which album your listening to ) I appreciate the real thought content of yesterday’s rap, from Dana Dane, Pac , Big’s and Puns crazy lyrical wordplay , digable planets Jazz, hip hop (man they took it on another level) , I love tha pharcydes party and fun lyrics as well !!. I do enjoy Kendrick how he spits it though, and appreciate F.Gibbs ish shit .
I like drake as well, but consciously on a “teacher level” I give it up to my old heads. BTW I gotta put in Gangstar in there too.
LMO ART trap beats are better now??? That's funny
DJ Willz to each his own. I don’t know what “class” their considered in. For example “the recipe” “hotline bling” , “the ways” “God’s plan”
I’m talking about today’s beats . And like I said “depends on which album u listen to” because above the rim sndtrk , the chronic and all eyez on me, don kiluminati have the stand the test of time beats , even my all time fav T.R.O.Y .
Gangstarr - Preach!
Old school hip hop is better
@StreamerVideo
Exactly. Nevertheless, I loved Big Pun.
I cant ignore how CHEEKS Carolina defense was at 1:37.Step it up Murs
As a kid born in 92, some of the first rap/hip-hop I was introduced too were guys like ice cube, snoop dogg, or Da Lench Mob playing on Radio Los Santos as I cruised around in my bullet. Though I grew up pretty far outside of that culture, that music struck me. Recently I've begun indulging myself in getting educated on the culture and videos like this help me become more educated, So Thank you Murs, Justin Hunte and the rest of HipHopDX team for getting content like this out there. You guys have opened up my taste in music and made me give gratitude to guys I've dismissed for a few years now. I love what yall are doing keep it up!
Bravo. This vid gets a standing ovation. I'm almost starting to feel like I don't even need to watch your vids sometimes because the way you break it down is exactly how I feel about hip hop. It's like I would rather the kids that have no clue what being a hip hop fan is about should be the main ones watching this stuff. They could learn something.
If you're going to make fun of today's hip-hop because of mumble rap, every era has had artist do something different and it either lasts or goes away immediately. I was born in 99, so I don't know about early artists who were different, but I'm sure there were. We never hear of those people because they didn't have a platform to release their music. Correct me on this, but the only way to get your music heard in the 70's, 80's, and 90's was through a record label signing you and putting your music on the radio, or showing your music in an underground club. Today you have the internet, social media can dictate any artist's career, if they do it correctly. If you release a song on SoundCloud every week, and all you do on social media is try to get people to listen to it, you can become a popular artist. If the internet was around in the past I'm sure you would've had something similar to mumble rap in those days.
Idk. To me, it's all about wordplay, flow, rhyme schemes, creativity/originality, sometimes how predictable it is, and if it connects with an audience. Great series, I agree with what you were saying with lil Wayne etc. Vs etc., but I think you need a good combination of the above for it to be "real" hiphop. That's my problem with a lot of new artists, heavy autotune is cool, mumbling could work, but not if it's just repeating the same words to a catchy beat, with only a couple lines of creative wordplay thrown in.
Shit though. It's all preference, and it's always evolving. There's been "bad" mainstream songs as long as people have been recording. So who knows.
Lol,when he said young money against Wu,I dam near jumped out the window,that was a good joke,lol
Thanks for the love, Murs! Wasn't expecting my comment to feature, nor did I know there'd be a viewers' choice edition.
Yo man, I just wanna say thanks for bringing the genre, thats often misconstrued a voice and platform for discussion. Only just started following the page properly, but it is a great watch and provides some real points of discussion that most overlook. Keep it up man, love from England.
I agree with you on many of the stuff you are saying. I really think that more lyricist need to work with these new school rappers. I am old school and I am used to the golden age. I don’t like the ones that mumblers but I I can safely say that some of them do have some flow. Us (Old Schoolers) need to support these young men and develop them. They are our future.
You're right Hip Hop IS changing. It's changed so much that we now have a new genre. A genre that many don't appreciate. You can compare it to Rock music, it's branched out. Some people like Hardrock, some people hate Screamo. Likewise some people like Old School Hip Hop, some people hate mumble rap. It's all a matter of preference. I still don't like "fake Hip Hop". And no matter what you say you can't convert me to becoming a fan of it. I can't do the same for you either. So let me listen to what I enjoy. I'll let you listen to what you enjoy.
4:30 - to answer your question,
We are essentially comparing the most popular artists back then (most of which could actually rap) with the most popular of today (most of which are crappy mumble rappers.). Everybody knows there are some great artists out there today like Cole. What people are frustrated by is the fact that the crappiest artists are getting the most airtime and attention.
That right there is what you constantly confuse and fail to understand.
The Rambler not always the case, some people are just more popular on the radio than the internet, people loved to shit on young thug but dude has never sold past like maybe 20,000 albums first week, Schoolboy Q did like 70,000 first week with Blankface and prolly do better in the future. Another example can be Yachty who only sold 40,000 and 2 Chainz (who actually can rap a little) only be doing like 50,000. I personally don’t like him but Logic did 200,000 first week Kendrick did 600,000 etc. Also so y’all know most of these independent underground niggas y’all love so much are most of the time independent and aren’t struggling out here at all and prolly make good money still and tour all over the world.
Actually he's right, often times I see comments where people try to compare dark/hardcore, underground hip hop from the 90s to mainstream/commercial, radio-friendly rap of today. At least make it an apples to apples comparison, because there was definitely radio-friendly "jiggy" rap in the 90s as well.
There was radio friendly jiggy rap in the 90s but even Vanilla Ice was an infinitely better rapper than Lil Yachty, and even the softest of soft rappers actually had some skill and identity. Today it is autotuned robotic clones and literal mental retards all over the airwaves.
Crappy artists getting more airtime than talented artists is nothing new. That was going on in the 90's as well and not just when Hammer and Vanilla Ice ran it.
For someone who's spent only the past year to discover hip hop proper, these vids are gold. Also, yeah, rock that cool ass palm tree!
What I like about Hip Hop DX is how objective you all are. Murs good job taking over this segment. Your insight being you are a talented Emcee yourself is appreciated bruh bruh
Apples vs. Lemons! Cool-ass palm tree!
Dope video.
Keep up the excellent work, man!
Props to the Okja/Totoro shoutout on your shirt.
OK I have to comment on this video.. i refrained last time..but Murs, your response makes absolutely no sense.. you are giving your take on this so called progression of hip hop or how it is still moving but unfortunately you are misrepresenting it to the 100% max...
first, lets get out of this.. what was back then and what is now..... Hip Hop was NOT ill, raw and dope back then because of a timeline.. it was dope because every artist was competing for the crown.. KRS One.. My Philosophy .. "You gotta have style and learn to be original" that was one example of setting the bar.. the battle between Kool Moe Dee and Busy Bee back in the day was another example of how Kool Moe Dee decided to set the bar even higher.. in introducing battling in skill .. rather than rocking a crowd. In other words, taking Hip Hop to higher grounds..
With that being said, throughout most of the 80s and 90s, it was all about the artist's skill and style... Das EFX you mentioned, had their own style, Onyx had their own skill, KRS One had his own style, Big Daddy Kane had his, Rakim so on and so forth... what do all of these have in common? You could tell who was who... This is what made Hip Hop Great.. this is what made listeners run to the radio for more.. The diversity and manifesting words into something you could rock your head to.
You are making bogus comparisons and really leaving out alot of details in your response, similar to the last video.. Let's talk about what you're not saying.. You should be more than aware that groups like the Migos have been called out for ripping off their flow from Lord Infamous of Triple 6 Mafia.. yes.. you need to talk about that... Also, go back to the interview on Hot 97 with Lil Uzi Vert refusing to freestyle off of a Gang Starr beat because "He doesn't do that music".. He is a "rock star". Now you tell me, Murs how many artists of a genre of music claim another genre while disrespecting the genre they are in.. Back then, court was held in public opinion and if you dissed the culture or wasn't showing it respect, you would get ran out.. That was the MC Hammer dilemna.. People felt like he stepped out Hip Hop and went pop.. he put alot of people on..Kudos.. but you turned things like our culture's clothing style into genie pants, same with Puff Daddy.. and you got turned away.
These groups are disconnected from what we call Hip Hop Music... Let's also talk about all the Lil's.. Uzi, Pump, Skies, the emergence of the multi colored dread babies who copy each other's flows and seek to hide behind each other for the sake of getting money... It was denounced on so many levels back then but now the flood gates are open for whatever goes.. and with videos like this, you posted.. you are making it fertile ground to do so.. and even if legends work with these groups, it doesn't mean that spirit will get passed on, it just means now these new groups feel even more inspiration to come up with mediocre music with legends on it. Difference back then and now.. is the successful artists respected the generations before them. These new artists for the most part, don't.
Hip Hop wasn't known for mediocrity in the past but now it is, it is now the fast food culture of music. Because it is now acceptable to put out trash and paint a new picture of how "times have changed" and the artists in an abundantly huge percentage get their 15 minutes of fame, and they are gone. Interestingly enough.. this is not an "old heads opinion", i talk to the generations of these artists, putting out the music, and they agree it is trash, and listen to other genres of music, for inspiration or entertainment..
And of course Murs, I don't expect you to reflect my views, because your job relies upon editorials of this music.. so you have to defend it so you can defend your paycheck, so of course you will turn a blind eye, or conveniently either disagree or you just didn't see my comment... we can go toe to toe all day about this, this is my culture from day one..
Bottom line.. 99.9% of hip hop outlets whether media, fashion or artists sold out this culture for money
Preach!!!
This is some real shit, I’m 17 and I gotta say mumble rap just isn’t rap, it’s a new category of club music because you can just hear it and not listen to it. Real rap requires you to listen and comprehend what the rapper is saying. Lyricists like MF DOOM, Kendrick, Joey Bada$$ is where it’s at along with the golden age gangsta shit like Pac, Dogg, Ice Cube and Biggie.
I'm just finding that these specific videos exist. As a Murs fan, I have to express a certain level of disappointment. Of course, it's an unfair comparison to put the MC Murs vs. Media trained Murs that showed up for these videos but it is what it is... I don't intentionally go against anyone's hustle (we all get to the $ the way we see fit)
I agree that the arguments in both videos seem inconsistent. I present my comment on this because it's more solid. I can relate to refraining from commenting on the first installment because I hoped that Murs, in his own way, was trying to unify.
But come on...
1. Comparisons are flimsy at best
2. Details/views to substantiate the perspectives seemed to be 'splitting hairs'.
a. I.E. the video cost analysis was shotty. (Actual pricing for aspects used to compare Das EFX and MIGOS videos would be more effective.
But to each his own, hip hop is hugely about community. It's a fact that a community comprises of various personalities and opinions.
To conclude, this is one of the best comments I have read regarding both videos.
I'm disappointed I've only come across this video now but I just have to say I agree 100% with everything you say. It's as KRS said before "It's not about the salery, it's all about reality". All these new artists I feel don't respect the culture that is Hip Hop, I doubt they could even recite the 5 elements as thought by Afrika Bambaataa. New artists don't respect the lineage or the foundations and that's why I feel they aren't Hip Hop or a part of the culture. I've been a fan since day one but I'm from Ireland so I don't know if my opinion would even be validated, I just felt I had to share my thoughts anyway.
Murs legit just said don't compare the best of the old to the worst of the new. Also Big Daddy Kane and Rakim have the exact same style. Also about creating new things in hip hop... This generation made emo rap, trap, talking about love allowed, Not having to be gangsta to rap, Not having to grow up in a poor neighborhood to rap, comedy rap, etc. The diversity is huge now. You can do anything you want in rap. Back then you had to have boom bap beats and you had to be gangsta.
One of the best analysts I've ever seen. Really like your truly open mindset when it comes to music. Much love and respect from Germany.
Future breakdown idea. How hiphop affecting music globably. Thx for another great Breakdown Murs. I cant wait for the album release party 🔥🔥
Will u do that big pun and big L episode??
YEAH COME ON
please please please do a GRIME vs hiphop video i neeeed more grime in my life and i love hiphopdx🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
MANS NOT HOT
Grime IS Hiphop don't get it twisted
Oiiii agreed man
They wining here that newschool is shite, but the UK still banging 💯
#UKRepresent
remi9Xer hope you weren't pissing on the song, if you break down the lyrics its mad, the remix with chip n JME is even better! Check it ooout
Grime is shit
shoutout to Murs and the DX team for breaking down a topic in hip hop with actual thought,also if you havent already check out Murs' son- God Bless Kanye West it is avery good song in my top ten for 2017
I respect you man this series has. Rally opned my eyes bro thank you my mans
Both this and the original Fake vs Real Hip Hop videos have given me a better understanding of today’s hip hop, especially the “Migos” style of hip hop. I have a better respect for this style even though I may not personally enjoy it (which may even be because I’m more of a rock music fan. It may effect the way I listen to hip hop!). Thanks for these awesome videos!!!
Rap today (overall) hits me as being stuck in the same exact place that rock music was stuck in, in the late 1980's. Most popular "mumble" or "trap" rap today is to me the same exact crap that "hair" or "glam" metal was back in 1989, with garbage groups like Poison and Warrant clogging up MTV's airwaves (I am not dissing the real ones like Metallica or Guns n Roses here, I am talking about the over-abundant and indistinguishable Poison/Warrant-type crap that was clogging up the charts from '87-'90). Although by 1989, underground and indie rock like REM and Jane's Addiction was brewing hard; and then Nirvana dropped "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in 1991 - vaporizing hair-glam metal off the face of the Earth overnight (Done. Gone in one shot), and ushering in a decade of real artists populating the charts (thank goodness). Rap is one or two years away from its Nirvana Smells Like Teen Spirit Moment, the likes of Kendrick and Death Grips are setting the table for it.
Patrick Antonio word. Especially Death Grips
Interesting viewpoint. An artist with the impact of Radiohead would be refreshing. I’m Optimistic 🤞🏾
mr.khali I see what you did there at the end.....
Michael Otis 👊🏾
I feel like that already happened, except that Waka Flocka "vaporized" Ringtone Rap
Am I the only who doesn't think people like Migos or RHQ are mumbling. I mean I can always understand exactly what they are saying. Maybe it's a southern thing, fast-talking, mixed with the southern drawl. I think some of this "bougieness" a lot of these "real" hip-hop people have goes back to the cultural difference between rappers from the south and rappers from the north. They complain about people sounding the same but then want people who have a different cultural dialect to sound exactly like all of their faves. It's this elitist mentality that has existed for decades. That if it's not that east-coast kind of music it's not real.
Making the point that you cannot compare things that are essentially in different lanes is so crucial. There are songs that I will go back and listen to as an adult that I have to really questions why I ever thought it was so "real". it's truly the nostalgia(rose colored ears lol) that makes people believe something is so much better and it's that same emotional power that makes people in my age group and below (basically the middle of the age gap) rebel so hard against what the older people are saying.
I love Jcole for "1985" because it really truly breaks down all of our points here. Basically, you can only expect people to spit from where they are mentallly. And everyone's music should mature as they do. But as a fan If you don't mess with something you don't gotta listen to it. But your opinion of it doesn't make it irrelevant and it definitely doesn't make it fake.
I think what made/makes people "real" rappers is the ability to switch throughout the three lanes you mentioned in another video. You are a complete and well-rounded rapper if I can listen to something of yours and shake my ass and party but then also listen to something of yours and, feel love, cry, laugh, get angry, or ponder the meaning of my life.
I don't think the Migos mumble, but Future is the exception. I genuinely can't understand what he says in his songs lol
I'm extremely late, but i really dig what you said, I'm one of those people who absolutely hate "mumble rap"... your comment really got me thinking that perhaps, i shouldn't hate the "music" because i can't understand the language, then i would also have to hate any other music that's in a different language, so there for i should just dislike the "music" for IMO the lack of quality...so all and all, your comment was insightful for me and made me look at the "music " in a different light... thank you
Thought I was watching a re-run of fosters home for imaginary friends
I just found out your videos, and they fall exactly in a moment where i talk about Rap and hip hop. I love music, all genre, and you make me think something. Maybe we always talk about the Classic and we compare with what we know. Today we have the Classic, because they passed through the age. Against that, we have what we have the crap and the gold. I’m pretty sure in ten years some artists will become classic. Thanks for your video, ans a big Hi! from Québec (sorry for the english, I'm french)
i was worried when the previous hip hop dx host left but you're one cool ass dude and know your shit - keep doing your thing brotha!
Real hip-hop is about telling a story and/or expressing the way you feel. I may not go out of my way to listen to lil uzi, but I still respect that he is expressing himself, I still respect him as a human being and an artist. People get so caught up trying to discredit modern rappers because everyone believes that their generation was the best era for everything, then when someone tries to say that they have a different opinion, they're wrong. Everyone has different experiences and enjoys hip-hop and music in general in different ways, I just appreciate everyone who's contributed to the culture and still does to this day.
I think turn up music has a place in hip hop. It wasn't just about story telling. It was about getting and keeping the party going. Let Me Clear My Throat is a Classic and is as Real as it gets when it comes to Hip Hop,
I'm not going against the spirit of the culture, I'm appreciating what that culture has brought... and I'm happy to stop there :) The problem I think is that new hip hop is basically hip hop that became a sub genre of new pop and new pop as a whole has gone downhill.
I get that most of the good MC's aren't as well know. But, are rappers like Danny Brown, Tyler, The Creator, Earl Sweatshirt, Freddie Gibbs, Big K.R.I.T, Ab-Soul, Jay Rock, RTJ, Flatbush Zombies, Denzel Curry, Brother Ali, Open Mike Eagle, Vince Staples, Chance the Rapper, Rapsody, YG(yes YG listen to Still Brazy) really underground? These have been responsible for some of the decades best albums and have been recognized for them. Maybe not in the Grammys for all of them, but they got their respect. I'll just name more rap acts so y'all can stop saying rap sucks. Quelle Chris, clipping., Billy Woods, Uncommon Nasa, Shabazz Palaces, Injury Reserve, Your Old Droog etc.
But that's the point its not in the mainstream media. Yes they are underground, some more then others. How often do you hear their song on the radio vs the migos and the rest? How often do you see brother ali in magazines or on tv?
PS. i know i necro'd
I met Clyde Stubblefield at a bar in Madison, Wisconsin (my hometown). I told him how much I appreciated what he did for my generation and hip hop culture, and he bought be a drink. Super nice dude.
I appreciate your open thought of the total culture of Hip-Hop as a whole! I'm definitely one of those 90's dudes that is not a fan of this mumble era, "but" as of recently have been able to find newer Hip-Hop artists that I like to listen too! Your opinion of the 3 categories in which you place rap made total sense to me (hip hop, hip pop, and pop) and I thank you for that. The expansion of the music will not be for everyone, and that's ok! I get that now. Keep up with your breakdowns cause I personally think you are bringing a two thought process, instead of narrow mindedness!
When us “old heads” hate on “new head” music, we are talking about the Lil Yachtys, Futures, Migos, Lil Pumps, Uzis etc.
Nas Rakim and Krs-One..all write there own shit...Drake doesn't belong in that conversation
Oddo The Artist drakes better than nas
Tyler F oof. Woah. Cmon man idk about that one
Tyler F where's drake illmatic?
He's written plenty of his own music. As well as plenty of music for other people. Everyone forgets he started in writing camps for people like Kanye and shit... Who cares.
Chris M people that respect the craft of Rap an the art of rhyme that's who cares.. how df you get credit for shit other people wrote for You ? Where's the creativity in that the rhymes you spitting ain't come from your mind then..you not in the conversation
Hip hop today is missing the element of a DJ scratching.
They use the DJ when they do a live show but they don't incorporate it into the studio track?
but its all hip hop just old skool vs new skool..
Masta Hanksta old school is better by far.
I agree I like the old school sound but I still like some of the new stuff as well.
But as a DJ I'm open to all genres of music.
Old school just brings back the memories of the good O'l days when I was a kid..
Masta Hanksta I can't fuck with today's music I just don't like the new sound I don't even like kendrick lamar or j cole. I hate the way rap sounds today its so trash.
There are still some that use it. Take for example DJ Premier, he is still making those old school beats. Just taking Prhyme and Prhyme 2 into consideration, it has some great Preemo beats that many shitted on.
Cunajunior yeah but todays beats and production is terrible its too commercial I prefer old school because it was more agreesive and raw.
Love your break downs! They are fill with interesting and thoughtful commentary for a wide audience. Especially those who have grown in a different direction from hip hop. I listened to hip hop with my brother when i was a kid. In my teen years I went to the punk and pock scene. Thank you for giving me an insight and a new appreciation to the new school of artists.
And death metal does not make you want to kill someone; oppression comes in many forms and it is and metal is an outlet just as valid as hip hop.
I love how murs encourages discussion and not argument
J.Cole not seeing Ice CUBE..GTFOH
Oddo The Artist wym? Cause I'm confused.
Ice Cube was extremely simplistic and had a basic rhyme scheme. Mixtape Cole > Ice Cube, and it's not even close
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!????? Ice Cube wrote FUCK THE POLICE when he was 18 NIGGA, what the fuck did J Cole do when he was 18. Shut the fuck up bitch ass niggas get your facts straight
How is that relevant? We are talking who is BETTER, not GREATER. Ice Cube was basic in many area's. Which Ice Cube flow is better than J. Cole's Back to the Topic? All his schemes were simplistic
Jamal Williams u must be a troll
You can't deny the fact that most mumble rap is basically the same
people dont love music like they say....they dont know where to find music...then people act like every rapper in 98 wore timbs, had baggy clothes, wore wave caps, had long ass chains, and drank the same drinks...now days they have different color hair, wear supreme & do alot of the same things....its life cycles you guys, stfu and find what you like....
Murs you the reason why i subscribed 😭🙏🏽
Love from Colombia. The Breakdown is a must in my weekly to do list. As a musical journalist myself, the depth of the analysis, as well as the welcoming language, this video capsules enlight my work. Thanks a lot for your videos.
One of the best videos
No Murs!!! Thats not what death metals for bruh.
They put Coke in our Pepsi
@@mikayeelbashar you never lied about that
The way he destroyed the video budget argument is classic!
Keep this series going Murs! You’re a legend in my book and If you guys don’t know yet Murs is a rapper himself and you guys should listen to his music 🙏🏽
Lyricist in this era don’t get the credit they deserve. It shouldn’t just be Drake, Kendrick( who’s craft is starting to digress and they overrate him on being the best lyricist in this generation), J Cole, and Big Sean( who’s extremely underrated by many as a mc) that’s the only lyrical Mc’s you hear on the radio, it should be way more. All you hear on the radio now a days is shit hoes can dance to or gangsta rap, and that’s ok. But it should be way more variety, hardcore rap, conscious rap, love rap, and lyrical rap. Everything you hear on the radio sound so much the same people don’t buy records no more so they stream it. Record labels were better than the ones they have out now it’s just a money scheme to them. That’s why rappers are going independent now. They’re aren’t enough rap groups or female rappers either. If a rapper had beef or competition with another rapper they battle rapped. Now all they do is fight or try to shoot each other if they get dissed.
The issue is variety. But don't we have more variety than ever. I haven't listened to traditional radio in years and most of the new music I hear is not on the charts. I would like for them to get their shine but we are in a new era of music period. The last group of super stars in any genre came about at the same time just before or around 2010. Which coincides with RUclips striking up a deal with major record labels; the decline of physical record sales, and the ubiquity of smart phones, and the slow death of mp3 players.
People have their nostalgia goggles on too tight
Video game
That guy wanted music to make him racist? Tf you mean it’s supposed to make blacks scary? Oh yeah hip hop make me racist PLEASE😒
Yo Murs this is probably my favorite video youve put out since coming on board here. I'd love to see more reactions to comments under your videos. Peace and love
Finally someone that shares the same opinions on both old school and new school hip hop! Great video bro!
lmao no. chronic is classic. the definition of a classic.
its simple everyone love their generation. and hates the future one. they did the same similar music back then that they did now. if people really think hip hop was dying they would guide the future generation not tear them down
zero that's right on point. not everyone, but enough people are like that
So true. Plus hip hop is more diverse than ever and anyone who disagrees is disrespecting by doing 0 research
I love it. Culture is culture. Stop hating on each other and keep push the culture and music forward. Want better? Do better!
you don't know what culture is -.-
dude you're great, thanks for all these vids, didn't know this channel.
Someone hasn't a clue what death metal is... I recently found your channel, and am enjoying your content. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and really fell out of listening to hip hop in the 90s. I STILL listen to old school (80s) hip hop, but I have leaned heavy on nerd core as of late, mainly because i can relate. Thanks for the great content and you have a new sub.
I want to say one VERY important thing we all want to be entertained on a daily basis and hip hop sites (DX, WorldStar etc)
will post music and news about current artists most of it WACK. We react to it because it is bad or the few who like it put it on the charts give it views/streams make them HOT for the 15 minutes. Yes we do have good HipHop (Kendrick, Cole, Drake, Logic, Krit, Nipsey etc) but MUSIC is consumed fast and Lil Whatever just dropped a track 2 hours ago. That same Lil Whatever has 1000 people talking about it on Twitter but Twitter it has 300 million users now ask yourself why would 1000 be significant in 300 million? HipHop is being CONSUMED daily. I listen to Nas and Kodak someone explain that to me. There is so much more to say but I'll say this only REAL shit will last.
A few suggestions : Arguments for Eminem being a clone , Part 3 with Justin Hunte , Why Lil Pump is the second coming of Rakim , Why Lil Wayne caused mumble rap just to name a few
SubscriberBot808s&Heartbreak Em was only really a clone on infinite.
Na I heard they swopped him out just before he came out with rap god, that's why his face got skinny and shit.
It was the illuminati trying to keep a white guy on top of the rap industry.
But then g-eazy came round and they shut the shit down on em-bot. Thats why his latest album was trash.
And why it was called REVIVAL, because they let the real em back. LMAO
Im sorry to tell you but some of your arguments just dont add up yeah there were some whack rappers in the 90s too but they didnt get nearly as much attention as the mumble rap generation does nowadays it just turned arround in my opinion. In the 90s corny rappers were present but they never had the cance to rise as high as legends like rakim Nas Pac....today joke artists like lil yachty lil pump.... are just as well known as good rappers like kendrick j cole... and they are well better known than artists like Diabolic Ra the rugged man Apathy Celph titled...... so my assumption is that lyrical rap dosent really have any chance to get anywhere near to the fame and recognition that mumble rap has risen to in the last couple of years which has probably got to do with the short attention spans some of the dudes from the younger generation show us
As a side note, R. A. The Rugged Man is a 90s rapper. He just so happens to still make music.
You wanna know why wack rappers weren't as exposed, because no internet, if you had SoundCloud back then wack rappers would've been much more prevalent.
On the nonsense comment about old school rap violence compared to today.
I was at UM when Drake appeared for the God's Plan video. It was unannounced, but when he stepped into the student union people went crazy. The word spread like wildfire. 400+ people organically appeared in a few minutes just to catch a glimpse of Drake.
When he appeared on the balcony, you couldn't hear yourself think. Everyone was smiling, singing, dancing. Side note, it didn't matter what color you were. We all loved this man.
I'm glad the superstar rappers of today are spreading messages of (mostly) bettering ourselves and our peers. It's unifying in a divisive time.
As always, well thought out video.
So much knowledge for the youngsters :)
Just put them to freestyle against each other youll really see the talent gap
UK HIP-HOP BREAKDOWN
Ocean wisdom just released his sophomore album which has a method man feature making it seem like a better time than ever to discuss it! The album is dope highly suggest you give it a listen
Also more breakdowns like this would be AMAZING
oliver watson WE WILL KEEP ASKING UNTIL WE GET THIS UK RAP/GRIME BREAKDOWN
Grime is shit fam. Uk Rap aint gonna be shit without me. Watch out for NATE GIBSON.
oliver watson you could even mention Australian hip hop in that as well. Might not be as well known globally as U.K. Hip hop but you still got great groups like hilltop hoods and bliss n eso who are tearing it up down there
hey put a link up brother 2 ocean wisdom i can't find it.
The Comrad Camp Im finishing my album this weekend
DO A BREAKDOWN ON EARL SWEATSHIRT OR TYLER THE CREATOR
krishxn or just odd future in general so we can get Frank Ocean in there too
Love this channel!! All the way from London!
This is one of the best channels on the subject!!!
For some reason, when people think of new hip hop all they think about is mumble rappers, come on what about Cole, Kendrick, Drake, Joey, Joyner and I can keep going. Mumble rap is not killing the culture, I honestly don't mind it, I would take a verse from the people mentioned above over a whole mumble rap album anyway but that doesn't mean it's shit. The separation people make between lyrical rappers and mumble rappers is what's killing the culture
"what about Cole, Kendrick, Drake, Joey,"
Most of them are just as much a part of the problem as the mumble rappers.
Did Kenrick's last album feature pop artists such as U2, Rihanna, etc.?
It did
Were half of the songs autotuned?
Yes, they were
Is Drake an R&B artist from the suburbs who mostly doesn't even rap?
Yes he is.
Are all of them when they do rap, using a bland boring flow without any real energy in it?
Yes, they are.
Do I need to go on or that is enough?
GM35964 you don't want Rhianna feature, auto tune or R&B? Listen to Tyler, joey, J.I.D, just because there are rappers who do things you don't like doesn't mean it's not rap or it's a problem, drake krendrick and cole got rap to places it had never been before
There is actually much better out there than "Tyler, Joey, J.I.D." if one wants good hip-hop without autotune.
That is not the point.
The point is what the face of the genre is.
Because that influences the next generations
You can (or perhaps can't, who knows) quite clearly see how that played out over the years.
When N.W.A and then Deathrow were on top, some people were concerned with the influence they had. Now the music was absolutely amazing, still some of the absolutely best ever made. And I myself am actually a bigger fan of it than I am even of New York style boom bap rap. But we have to be objective, the negative influence was definitely there.
And that is how you got the wave of materialistic gangsta rappers later in the 1990s. Most of which were utter crap. Some of it was relatively good and it rose to the surface (Cash Money and No Limit had quite a few good songs even though it was always the norm to vilify them). "Some" being a key word though as where the typical Deathrow release was one classic track after another, the typical Cash Money album was a couple singles, a few other good tracks, and then a lot of filler. So there was an element of degradation of things already.
Then in the mid-00s you got the ringtone rap era and young rappers who had grown up on Cash Money and No Limit, and who couldn't even rhyme very well anymore, and whose albums were utter trash. It was also around that time that Lil Wayne and Kanye West bubbled to the surface. And again, there were people who could see where it would all lead, and gave warnings -- do not normalize outright faggotry and do not make autotune the standard way of hiding your lack of talent, because kids are watching and listening and internalizing it all, and you are going to get a generation of cross-dressing high-pitched autotuned weakling gay rap. And guess what, that is precisely what the 00s have been mostly about. And Lil Wayne was the pioneer of mumble rap -- he was quite literally mumbling a lot of the time, and he was mostly talking complete nonsense without much effort to put together good verses. But he was praised by the critics, widely pushed by the media, and had an enormous influence.
You see the results of three compounded levels of dumbing down and bastardization today..
What will the outcome be of mumble rap's influence on the next generation? I shudder at the thought...
it all goes back to my first point, there is the good and the bad, there has always been and there always will be, ye mumble rappers are getting more boom than other better and lyrical rappers but at the end of the day there is a reason of that, when I was in my early to mid teens I also didn't listen to old school rap, I was listening to Eminem, 50, lil wayne because that's what attracted me back then, its the same case here, give a young rap fan something to go wild on and something to sit down and think about and he/she will almost always take the wild choice, I grew up on lil wayne and old drake with all the auto-tune and that shit and here I am, I became a huge 2pac fan, I know how to tell the difference between untalented mumble rap and lyrically gifted rappers. if its the youngsters we are looking at then the face of hip hop hasn't been good for a very long time. as you said back in the NWA and deathrow times there was still a bad part about rap and that's what attracted the youth, then auto tune came in and attracted the next generations youth and now mumble rap. the face of hip hop isn't what the kids say it is, you cant have a say about what something is if you don't know what that thing is.
NourAdiga Drake IS NOT lyrical at all. He dont do half the the things he rap about, he steals lines, but he a nice guy i guess.
people are so stuck in there ways LMAO " i heard it when i was young so its good! "
He's picking just some of the weakest comments and thinks he's right
Exactly.
You can say that
Murs, you BODIED these comments, I mean I’m glad they tune in, but you really enlightened the and continue to enlighten me too. Good stuff.
I feel like we as human beings get to a point in our lives where we stop looking for new and fresh and only appropriate the familiar and comfortable. It happens with everything cloths, music, food. Nothing is ever as good as it was. I sincerely hope I never grow that complacent and always look for what’s new and fresh to give me a new look on life while appreciating where I’ve been and where I come from. So in closing never grow stale or complacent.