Rap’s Generation Gap
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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The generation gap in the Hip Hop community is wider than ever. Classic Hip Hop has it’s own radio stations in a few major markets because the old heads don’t want to hear all that new Mumble Rap. A lot of new rappers can’t even name one song by any of the classic Hip Hop greats because, in their opinion, none of them measure up to Drake. The more either side opens their mouth, the wider the divide becomes. Do we continue to let nature take its course or do we attempt to bridge the gap? Is the gap even bridgeable? Rap’s Generation Gap: Old Heads vs. Young Bucks. Let’s break it down…
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When Nas responded to J cole's Let Nas down, is how the old generation and new generation should come together
Puddingfuzz real talk
I liked seeing the video in 2010 of Kendrick Lamar being passed the torch from snoop dogg, and the game to carry the west coast. He took that torch farther than we thought it could go.
Puddingfuzz j cole is a exception tho because j cole music is still conscious ,so really a different and easier situation to dismiss
Shit was ass
Puddingfuzz Total opposite of LL & Canibus
old heads and new heads beefing like they are in middle school
Shahid khan bars
Welcome to hip hop
true. I start listening to new music like kyle, schoolboy Q, mgk. a boogie, joey badass old heads get mad and some young people get mad. when I start listening to e 40 tech n9ne snoop dogg jay z kids get mad calling me a old nigga even tho im 19. so fuck both sides im going to listen to whatever the fuck I want.
zahire Coates I agree with you
dude life is middle school most people never get out of it, mentally
I love coming back to these Breakdowns with Murs HHDX need to get him back for more... It's been too damn long!
To me, I think this issue is coming up from a completely different direction. Yes, hip-hop started in the 70's. But even through most of the 80's it was an extremely niche genre. The 90's is when hip-hop hit critical mass in the mainstream and you started getting a huge audience. So basically, hip-hop has now hit the age where a generation gap can even occur. Yes there were old heads during the 90's who thought that 90's hip-hop was garbage and the only real hip-hop was in the 80's, but it was such a small group it was hard to even find any examples. Plus there was an evolution in lyricism happening between the 80's to 90's that would have made it harder for someone to defend that 90's hip-hop was subjectively worse than 80's. But in the 90's you had an entire generation growing up on hip-hop. This generation gap is not unique to hip-hop by any stretch of the imagination. It is the same thing that had some kid's dad saying that rock'n'roll died after Led Zeppelin broke up and saying that his son's Marilyn Manson album "isn't even music". We are going to see this going on indefinitely into the future. Each generation will hate the next generation's music. It is just an unfamiliar feeling to hip-hop fans who came of age in the 90's or before.
thank you. someone with common sense
you can even compare this to sports and old head ball players saying basketball today sucks compared to 80s/90s.. its just different times and growing culture.
Completely agree, they enter an unfamiliar world and it's not something they like
Ya, but the rappers today are lazy and lack real talent. It's all Hollywood
Personally, I think it's more so because it's no longer really a craft and more so a corporate business in many instances.
I’m still in the womb but I listened to Eminem’s Lose Yourself on the radio once so I’m basically the next Tupac.
lmaoooo
That's funny dude I killed my first bitch at 10
You didn't mention Kendrick and j Cole. They respect and idolize past generations
Only The Real Really?
Only The Real lol you a goof
FACTS
That ageism shit is fabricated. The best artists of all genres pay homage to their predecessor's. Culture vultures and dumbass fans promote an illogical age divide. What it was about back then and what its about right now is the quality of the music.
And that's one of the reason why they last... you can't last if you don't understand/appreciate the roots.
lmao past generations..
i know the comment section will be full of "well im 16 and i listen to the classics (lists old school rappers)"
FilmStrife lmao you're right. This whole comment section is just "I'm 15 and people keep saying 21 and Uzi are better than Pac, I hate my generation!"
😂😂 as I was reading this the comment above was exactly that
Like that was any different in the nineties. How many white kids ran around only listening to the doors, Jimi and Clapton.
lol I saw one of them comments straight after yours
Those people are annoying. Ik cuz I was one lol.
Lol thug healing. Sounds like a Ja Rule song.
Christopher Moreno With Ashanti verses
Christopher Moreno... sound more like a boondocks episode 😂
Christopher Moreno Never thought I'd hear the words "thug healing".
Sounds like a Bone Thugs's song IMHO
Brandon Marchetti *50 cent destroyed his career. I feel like ja actually beat Eminem....which makes absolutely no sense when u think about the lyrical talent
“The more each side opens their mouth, the wider the gap becomes”
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"none of these old dudes even measure up to Drake" I almost threw up in my mouth
i have no clue why em sticks up for drake, but i guess sometimes you have to suck someone to stay relevant
@@chillpolecat4768 bro he disses drake with that. whether you agree with him or not but it was definitely meant as an insult
@@chillpolecat4768 Eminem is much more famous than Drake so please stop.....Drake does arenas, Eminem does stadiums......the teen culture was so quick to get on Drake ass back in 2016-17 when they thought Drake threw shots at Em so that shows you who they value more or have respect for
Drake isnt even great in his own era when you compare him to talents like Kendrick or even joey badass you cant be a goat if your not writing your own lyrics
@@PVentura drake is the #1 rapper in the world and holds more value in the culture than Em.
"Uh, uh, tell me how we gon' shape this vision
Complainin' all day, but in the same condition
If you wanna make change, it's gon' take commitment" -joey bada$$ 'Temptation'
If u wanna safe hip hop support the artists how value the craft✊
"My man, you grew up in chino hills" hhahahahaaa
James Chatman " What the FUCK do you know, about hip hop "
HAHA Rappaport's crazy ass
m rappaport is the blackest white dude ever :)
Facts!
Yello Duzzit he is Right tho
Yo Murs, you remember that song Pac had praising his predecessors? "What more can I say? I wouldn't be here today/ if the old school didn't pave the way." That shit is still dope
Gambit Wilson old school by pac, classic
grand puba line.....
lucaz z I think people forget just how good "Me Against The World" really is. Almost every song is timeless
That's one of my fave Pac songs
Nas has a similar one also. He even got them to feature on the track. "What happened to..." was one of the hooks but this is going back 15 years or so.
Seems the UK is promoting more old school stuff than the USA nowadays
High Focus!
@@MindSurf248 grime is dead rn
@@GooleEnt LETS STOP CALLING IT OLD SCHOOL......AND RESPECTFULLY CALL IT CLASSIC HIP HOP
@@readyronbeats2746 u talking to the wrong person g
Rap just isn't deep enough
As usual, excellent breakdown Murs. Old heads don't need to get nasty, and new heads shouldn't diss the o.g.s of the game. That's where I'm at.
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It's about what u like. I'm old af and k dots whole album is great to me but I don't like migos. I take it album to album, track to track. I think it's only fair we let these kids like what they like and have their speak opinions too since we have ours.
yocampout this was my whole thought process on this, thanks for explaining it 😁👍
yocampout dumbest shit I ever read. Just cause you don’t like something doesn’t mean you bash and discredit it
He´s not talking about discredit them. He´s talking about not liking them. I don´t like a lot of these new mainstream rappers, but I respect that they´ve made their place in Hip-Hop, and I think he means that as well
Pablo Martinez lmfao no, the problem is this era can’t tell the difference between the two. Lonzo ball saying nas isn’t hip hop because he “didn’t grow up with him” is a perfect example
Degenerett Well then, i am the one Who misunderstood😁
This schism happened in rock in the late 70's and 80's. People recognized that the classic generation offered something vastly different than what came later and that is why today your city has a classic rock station and a new/alternative rock station.
the golden era of hip hop for me is the lately 90s and the early 2000s
You say that, but you're picture is the Shady XV album art? That 2014 bro. Lol
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Truth. I’m 26 years old born in 92’. I grew up with 90s and early 00s Rap/Hip-Hop and have seen it change. I even went back to explore early 70s and 80s Hip-Hop when I was younger because I was in so much love with the culture and I adore the music and the wisdom spat on those records back then. But I also draw inspiration from the newer generation today when it comes to beats and the way they portray Hip-Hop to see if we (people like me) can form their way of Hip-Hop with their trends into our way of Hip-Hop that seems more familiar and create something outstanding that pushes the culture further instead of just hating and spreading around negativity.
Another thing though is that although hate is considered a bad thing it can also be a good thing. What I’m saying when I say this is, just because you want to speak about whatever you want to speak about freely doesn’t make it wrong especially if it’s Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop was created to become a voice for people not to be controlled. At the same time once you’ve said what you wanted to say on a record, don’t resort to violence. Sit down with eachother and talk about it and understand where you guys or gals are coming from.
"talk to someone, not at them" exactly! Murs gets it. I wish more people would remember that in daily life.
P.S. Murs rules the world!
All those younger acts in the 90s still better than mumble
Mr Violator fuck mumble rap
Mr Violator Why do people use the term mumble rap not ironically
I love Future, Uzi and 21 and i love dre, snoop and pac
i dont get why youre supposed to only like old or only new music, my playlist sometimes has transitions from run DMC to Migos, people are just hating waaay too much, thats why i dont get this whole argument
Shut your stupid ass up garbage listening bitch !!!
Phony Mex mind you that for as long as we have 'mumble rap', we wouldn't have 'conscious rap', and it goes either way as without 'conscious rap', there wouldn't be 'mumble rap'
gotta open your mind to these things, of course you can have an opinion, but there's more to it man
it's whatever if you don't respect it because it'll always be around in the world no matter what
You all talk like there is no teenagers that like pre-mumble rap. The only new rapper/hip-hop artist I listen is Kendrick Lamar, as I consider Drake an entertainer/pop-rapper. Apart from those all I listen to is pre-mumble rappers: Eminem, Notorious B.I.G, Nas, Dr.Dre.
I love to transition It was a good day to yamborghini high
Phony Mex saying you're 18 and your PARENTS grew up on old school hip hop and not you doesn't help your argument. It's not degrading the culture, it's a transition into a more mainstream and radio-friendly sound. If you don't like it there's still plenty of music being released that has the same appeal as old school rap. My childhood was literally motivated by the music I listened to, and most of that was old school which I prefer more. I do prefer LL to Lil Uzi, but I'm not going to say that Lil Uzi is completely degrading the culture, he's simply projecting his style. That's what hip hop is actually about, expressing yourself and your style through music. If you don't like the new mainstream stuff then don't listen to it, but believe it or not other people have an opinion and saying shit like "New music is degrading the culture" is just ignorant. As much as I wish it wouldn't, every culture changes and so does hip hop. Now move on you fake ass old head.
"you're a fuckin adult!" lol We do need to be better when discussing music with kids
Michael Collins yes adults shouldn't be arguing with a 18 year
I dont think I would miss mumble rap if it left.
me neither
Im not even sure it can be called rap, its kinda just mumble..
Mumble Trap is for me the correct terminology.
Idk the real origins of trap music but if you take it literally that should be kind of a psyhedelic type of music in order to have you trapped in a state of mind, which does not happen with trap music nowadays, its just jibber jabber on a beat
Most if not all of these beats though has Trap drum samples and Trap (ish) synthesisers and or bass lines into it. That's why I call it that way;
Best example of this is Lil Pump and J.Cole.... I feel like Cole dealt with the diss from Lil Pump perfectly
True
Agree
The 2010s rappers need to pay homage to the rappers that inspired them like the way 90s rappers did
MrKing8050 bu most of them dont even get inspired by rappers
They do... That's why they say Kanye is a GOAT, and Drake is a GOAT
They do pay homage to the likes of kanye, kudi , , 50 , ti which is the artist they grew up with. They never grew up with biggie and pac
Wu-Tang Forever - Drake
Drake did right with that.
Lord Infamous definitely inspired Migos.
People always complain about the new generation's music. It's never going to change. The same people that say "fuck this mumble bullshit" were the ones defending gangster rap. People called Snoop and Dre and Tupac nothing but thugs and shat on their music like the old heads are doing now. Imagine how many people straight laughed in Eminem's face and now he's considered one of the greats. You have to embrace evolution and change. Not create more division in the world.
Seriously, there's a Def Comedy Jam routine about how the guy preferred the old rap artists over "new" (at the time) ones. If you listen to his impression of then new rappers, it sounds just like Leaders of the New School.
Plus, mainstream America - white _and_ black - dissed rap as a whole when it first got big. Before that, people were complaining about disco. Before that, it was Rock 'n' Roll, before that, Jazz... hell, people thought Igor Stravinsky sucked when he first came out. Same shit, different era.
That's why I can't take anyone going "bluh bluh this generation" seriously; every generation says the same exact thing. "This new generation's music sucks, MY generation's music was better, grumble grumble grumble." It's just meaningless noise, all of it. and you can bet all the people that bump 21 Savage, Future, Migos, etc. now will be complaining about the next generation of rappers, and the people that grow up on them will complain about the generation after that, and so on and so on, an endless cycle of BS.
thapoint09's alt account I respect what you're saying as well. Thank God, people like you are actually pointing out that generational nonsense. You have a great day.
Perfectly said.
GhostyTheHunter yeah true but it's not easy producing beats and rapping with a flow like that. I mean yeah lyricism isn't that big of a thing that our generation goes for but have you actually read many of the lyrics to songs you usually hate on? It's pretty deep bruh. Just saying tho cause everyone has a right to an opinion.
There is a major difference between the past and today -- Kool Keith and LL Cool J were indeed much better MCs than the rappers that preceded them. So they could justifiably posture as being better than them -- they indeed were.
Mumble rappers on the other hand are worse, much much worse in fact than even the Sugarhill Gang
So I am 52 years old. I've been listening to Hip-Hop since it broke through to the mainstream back in 1979. I was 13 years old at the time. I was also listening to Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, and then a little bit later Punk Rock. In the late 80s when punk rock was fading away I gravitated towards hip-hop as the most rebellious music on the planet. I was inspired to start DJing and continue to spin to this day. Hip Hop like Punk Rock before it changed my life.
Fast forward to now, I was Uber driving the other night and I had the Wu-Tang album "Triumph" playing. Some kids got in my car to go down to the clubs and one of them started asking me to "turn this old s*** off and put on something good." I asked him what he wanted to hear and he said "Lil Pump." Curious if I was about to hear something new that was actually better than classic Wu-Tang, I obliged and punched in Lil Pump on my Spotify app. Nope. Same old boring trap beat Mumble Rap garbage. so I asked him what he saw in this music. These kids couldn't rap, the beats were boring, what is so good about it? He replied "I don't know. I just feel it." Then it hit me. I had a flashback, an epiphany if you like. I remembered back to the early 80s when all of my friends that were into Led Zeppelin and Van Halen were freaking out on me because I had started to listen to hardcore Punk Rock almost exclusively. They said to me "These guys can't even play their instruments. Eddie Van Halen is a good guitarist. This guy can't even barely play. Why do you listen to this s***?" I said "I don't know I just really like it. It gets me going." Flash to the current moment and realize that Six Nine and Lil Pump are to these kids what Punk Rock was to me. All of my more mainstream friends and older people in my life hated it, but I loved it for the way it made me feel. Mumble rap is the new Punk Rock. I don't like it or listen to it, but I respect it for what it is, which is the young people's music.
Exactly right I was in the same spot I loved bone thugs n harmony could barely make out 3 word they rapped also most of there songs didn't make sense. Everyone loved them. I did just because I thought it was cool. It's not really on topic but I'm say it anyways and use smoking cigs as a example. Alot more people smoked cigs back in the day my reason was cause I thought It was cool. Nowadays you see alot alot less younger people smoking. Why cause it's not cool anymore
I’m a 3 month old fetus but I listen to grandmaster flash
I burn baby burn like disco inferno
Ryan Davidoff I was waiting for someone to follow up the lyric 💀
But slow like blunts with ya yo
I think I'm a little late on that follow up
Peel more skins than Idaho potato
Ninjas know,the lyrical molesting is taking place
Mumble rappers don't have respect for old school. The new school rappers like Kendrick, J Cole, Joey Badass, hell even Logic all respect the classics. But then again, their rapping is much better than mumble rappers.
You don't necessarily have to respect old rappers to be good. Also j Cole & logic aren't THAT good, Denzel curry & ab-soul can rap circles around them but too each his own I guess.
Nelson Mendez what makes you say logic and jay aint good thats such a fucking opinion
Yes Fuck Off because they try to make philosophical & societal points in their music & often come off as boring or trying too hard. J Cole's music is often too boring for my taste & logic come's off as corny. Kinda like hopsin but to a lesser extent. Gang related is a dope track tho
Nelson Mendez Jay is supposed to be boring thats the genre of rap hes in the chill one
Nelson Mendez you just an idiot!
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Been looking for em too
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A graphic designer with a printer
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"ain't nobody listen to Nas no more! Real hip-hop is Migos, Future" I fucking vomited all over my keyboard
I like future more than nas and I’ve heard the lost tapes and his extra shit. I just like future more. Future efficiently uses his words and gets to the point. Minimalistic lyricism
Tony Blue I'm not some anti-trapping old head, but Future can't be using words "more efficiently" if he isn't saying a damn thing. Not having a message isn't a bad thing, but this dude is mumbling about a fake life he doesn't live and NAS is straight preaching on the mic. Personal preference is one thing, but real vs. fake is never an opinion.
Future came up with the dungeon family. He talks about pain struggle and his hustle. You ever heard colossal? You guys judging him off a single is like judging jay z off sunshine. I like super black stuff. I like gold grills I like jay z big pimpin. Growing up we were listening to cash money not no boom bap nigga. I like that next level nigga blade runner shit. I want my music to sound like micheal Jordan Fucking grace jones. 22nd century shit. Still bang with nas tho. NY state of mind 2 is my shit
Quantitative Hotdog FACTS!! NAS IS A MC.
Tony Blue bruh, Future talks about pain and hustle that he isn't apart of. Dude has a mansion with lambos and an in-ground pool, he's playing you if you really think he "struggles". Fake ass shit. And I like experimental trap shit, but NOTHING compares to a boom bap beat. Go listen to some J Dilla and you'll see what I mean.
It's hard for us old heads to accept the direction these young dudes are going. We value lyricism and paying homage to artists that laid the ground work. From my perspective it seems like today's rappers, with the exception of a select few, don't care about intricate wordplay, crafting a vivid narrative, and topping it off with witty punchlines. It seems like all they care about is a dope beat and catchy hook....and that shit sells. It's hard for us purists to accept that the taste of today's teenagers are changing and the aspects of what we consider great are irrelavent to them.
That isn't to say that there aren't some great guys out there right now. Mac Miller, A$AP Rocky, Joey Bada$$, Tyler the Creator, and a few others seem to understand the craft and what makes it great. Rocky is constantly paying homage to the greats of my generation, and his love for those artists really comes through in his music.
I agree that alot of the music that the media is tagging as Hip-Hop should just be labeled as Pop, but I don't understand why these artists wouldn't want to be associated with Hip-Hop. Much of what they are doing is rooted in Hip-Hop, even if what they are creating seems weak and watered down in comparison, so why disassociate from it? Is it in hopes of alleviating some of the scrutinay they are receiving?
I'm fine if mainstream Hip-Hop stays like it is as long as the underground continues to thrive. As of right now, the legends are still hard at work creating new music for me to enjoy. Wu-Tang Clan (my favorite group of all time) have a new album releasing in October, Nas is still working on a new album, Jay-Z just released a new album this summer that is some of the best music he's ever created, Raekwon released his return to form album back in March. Also, let's not forget that Tech N9ne and all of ya'll Strange Music artists keep putting out amazing work year after year. I'm fine with these young dudes putting their work out as long as I can keep banging out to pure, unadulterated Hip-Hop.
Nigga don’t nobody wanna read all this shit
Jamarius Mullen ... Goddamn it. And that's the damn problem. Celebrated ignorance. Well thought out analysis and commentary tossed away with "nigga who tryna read doe". Just like intricate lyricism and word play is shunted aside for watered down ramblings with a good beat. I suppose stupidity is trending these days.
Amen Agent J!
Ricky Meadows I feel you! I'm actually going to see Raekwon live in Austin in two nights and I'm soooooo stoked! His The Wild album was dope as hell!
agree
I agree with not calling it hip hop.
Thaman2x I'd say trash is a good genre to put it into.
Christian Dean i agree with u 100%
I also agree with not calling it hip-hop
It's not hip hop that's for damn sure, a lot closer to electro pop bubblegum rap IMO.
Kids need better idols than these fools, ain't got any substance just talk about rape drugs and repeating unintelligible non-sense followed by Audi and $$ smothered in auto-tune. smh
we all agree on that!
No disrespect to Justin Hunte, but as knowledgeable as he was, he had this sort of journalistic code where never wanted to reveal his own beliefs about the issues and debates he talked about. He always ended with "I don't have the answers to these questions." Murs has answers. Murs doesn't shy away from laying down his own arguments and opinions. I respect that.
I miss the code when it's gone
Justin is still doing video essays on his own chanel. They're both doing great work and the culture is better for it.
I like the "I don't have the answers to these questions" sign off because it leaves the door open for further discussion.
I like that especially in this breakdown but sometimes his breakdowns become rants and it's hard to see the bigger picture or even form your own opinion. Some of my favorite "breakdown"s were of Justin and Jude because he revealed a lot more of his opinion, so I agree that it's entertaining but even in those arguments he checked himself to never belittle someone's opinion.
Justin expresses his opinions constantly, but he's just more subtle. That's it. :)
The best part of this video is seeing Murs dropping knowledge for not only the youngins but a lot of these old heads too that can’t see the new generation is us 20 years ago.
When I was introduced to Cypress Hill IV in 1998 I fell in love with HipHop. Including older acts from the 80's!!
Theres no reason why the new generation should disregard older music.
You don't have a house without a solid foundation. You need to learn from the past to build the future. No one changed the game without knowing how the game is played
Love this comment
6:28 I'll always think of boondocks 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ikr boondocks is like a south park in the hood always making a parody of real life situations
This ain't jazz rap, this that- this that spazz rap
This that raised by the internet, ain't had no dad rap
*DELETE YOUR COMMENT*
Delete yours first
Haha as a fatherless man myself, that is hilarious! Don't delete your comment.
flump I'm not trying to make a scene, but is it still a scene if it's not heard or seen
lest its deemed obscene by those on the scene, like your nuts been seen due to a missing seam
Rap went full circle, started off with basic rhymes, peaked in lyricsm late 90's early 2000, now its back to basic shit and flambouyant dressing.
But we're getting lyrical shit back, a lot of lyrical niggas of today are calling mumble rappers out
iF Smegna like who ?
Lanre Oladejo my profile pic.
@@1anre JID, J Cole, jack Harlow
Problem is, people are not diggin in the crates no more or listening to music. On both sides, older and younger generations. It’s ironic because we have an access to music that these cats didn’t have in, let’s say, 1990...
I have no problem with a young dude telling me Wu Tang ain’t his cup of tea (well, I think so) or with a Lord Jamar worshipper telling me Logic is wack. Art is objective. But to have an opinion, you have to listen to the music.
Subjective
Murs is the o.g. somebody please give this man his own show.
Incase you didn't know, check out MursTV, he has his own channel fam. Hope this helped
Thank you
"Word"!
hip-hop old Cool vibe rock and rap New leave rap new dump bad
Murs stay dropping dope content! Great insight brother.
Rip Mac miller
The way you break down and analyze these topics is so concis and enlightening, but never final. You teach in a way thats open ended, allowing your audience to resonate with the subject and draw their own conclusions! Excellent work!
lol. Im 33 and had 'old heads' tell me Def Jux wasn't hip-hop in the early 00's ... always gonna be that divide sadly
I Think this is just shots at new dudes from oldheads. New school homies need to educate themselves on what made there craft. Lonzo outta his fucking mind though
Not even a decade if im correct, The Message came out not too long after Hip Hop started.
They aren't intentionally doing hip hop the way it was in the 70's, the intellectualism, lyricism and story telling became more advanced and stacked with hip hop and then in suddenly decomposed extremely quickly in the 2000's. They don't move the crowd, the crowd already knows every word to the song from youtube and are just singing along to simplistic trash.
TruMusic89 That's keeping hip-hop weak. It's better if the crowd already knows the lyrics? BORING, Hell na! You're supposed to keep the listeners on edge, guessing, staying hyped. 70's hiphop was weak! That's why you're comparing the new school to it because y'all can't compete with the late 80's-early 2000's.
TruMusic89 Well alright then
I fux with this breakdown. Nice work, Murs. 👌🏾
Maybe I'm showing my age--not to mention my classical music background--but I'm not a fan of most of what gets blasted out of car stereos & boomboxes, these days. Too many of today's rappers sound the same and fall back on trap beat accompaniments that lack any development or timbral variety--a far cry from The Roots, Souls of Mischief, Gang Starr and Sir Mix-a-Lot, among the rap acts I first got into in the 1990s. Later, I was introduced to some fantastic indie acts, like Typical Cats, Mestizo, Akword Strange, Bored Stiff, Orukusaki, Amir Sulaiman, Offwhyte and The Dime, who turn out well-crafted and distinct work with little concern for what bean counters at major labels might think of them.
I do hope some of these kids who hit the big time eventually mature and draw on the huge variety of musical references and resources available to them in this internet day & age, breaking free of monotonous, cookie-cutter trap beats and auto-tune. May they open their ears and minds to music from around the world and from different time periods, expanding their knowledge and pushing themselves to go beyond expectations.
Dave east is a beautiful mix of 90s gangster rap and new school styles
Dennis TheGreat Corpas 🚫🧢
i just listen to both types of hip hop.
i like new mainstream rap but i also like old school rap because i respect the people who pioneered hip hip. i hate any mumble rap like future, desiigner and lil yachty, but new school rappers that dont mumble are ok with me. kendrick lamar is probably the only active rapper that i know that still raps like the 90s GOATs and is still popular. rappers like offset and travis scott are still really different from 90s rap but are still good, while sounding good.
what ive noticed is that alot of new school rap is more melodical, which is why they are popular with the younger crowd like me (im 15) since you can turn up to them anywhere and awesome for partying. meanwhile old school rap gives a much more gangster feel to me and i like that as well.
then there are new school "rappers" like lil uzi vert and lil pump. honestly they are garbage, and yet i still like them. i thought about it, until i realized that when i listen to their music, i expect rap, but theyre barely rappers at all. like lil pump just repeats the same word 50 times and rhymes two lines. thats garbage if its classified as rap but awesome if classified as pop. same with lil uzi vert. barely raps, mostly just his vocals, which is why XO TOUR Llif3 is such a hit.
the only thing about new mainstream rap i dont like is that the artists rarely ever put any thought or effort into the lyrics. they just rap about hoes money and drugs all the time. i mean its ok to rap about it if thats part of your lifestyle but you gotta change it up a bit. i mean just listen to nav and youll see what i mean.
also, most mumble rappers are only popular because of the producers. i swear future wouldnt be shit today without metro boomin. 🤣
to sum up my long ass essay. new hip hop isnt too bad if you avoid the mumble rappers, and if youre young like me, give some biggie and tupac a try, its pretty good too.
Methix listen to earth by Mac miller.
Mature and sensible, you know quality when you see it whether it's 2pac or Kendrick and you also know trash when you see it.
Smart for 15
who tf bout to read this shit?
I read this shit. I just don't understand why someone would willingly listen to garbage.
its technically gabage but fun to listen to at parties and shit. like its good turn up music
"Looks to the internet as aplace where all validation flows"..... you know what you right
*Write*
That's an entire generation of 20 something's. Sad part is, as the internet grows and evolves, it's just gonna continue and only get worse with even younger generations.
Best video I've seen so far much respect
Rap is evolving the same way Rock has. Old-school while generally considered better isn't as popular, like rock and other genres have, and there's a new sub genre that's coming out called mumble rap that it's fans say are more about the flow and feeling the exact same as harder metal evolved from rock and was much harder to understand in exchange for the feeling of the song. All genres do this I think. Even the classical era eventually became the romantic era. Changing from more technical music to being more about the feeling. I'm curious about what you think of this.
Hip hop is about what's happening right now so it becomes erelavent after a few years as time changes. Music evolves and no kid wants to listen to what their parents did we are ment to hate what they like that's the whole point let them do their thing.
Yeah and that's why there's a lot of trash metal out there.
Except Rock and Metal became more creative and technical and lyrical. Rap went the complete opposite direction a "de-evolution" if you will.
Bad Dragonite mumble rap has no flow. People just like the beats
On point. Mumble rap is being treated like nu metal was for rock.
Hip hop was not design to be mainstream, it was born in undergrounds for the outsiders.
Everytime it went mainstream, it lost part of its soul.
But it had mainstream aspirations from the jump. Remember Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight? Run DMC's Walk This Way?
R P you can blame the mainstream for liking a good genre even tho I think a lot (not all ofc) new hip hop is trash
"Stop calling em Hiphop", let's all just fucking commit to that. It would ease so much of the frustration, if they're not representing for what i love, then i don't feel the need to school them. Let them do their own thing, i seriously don't give a fuck, as long as people know it's not hiphop.
THANK YOU! Finally someone gets it. Again, Rap is not pop, if you call it that then stop. - Q tip
I kind of agree but disagree too. Hip hop is the broad term that encompasses all of it. Rap is different. There are hip hop instrumental albums, there's no rap instrumental albums. Future is definitely hip hop. Is he a rapper though? Uhh maybe MC would be a better word for it kind of like those hippa to the hoppa very early 80s party "rappers" pre kool moe dee and them.
rueben3213 rap is pop all we have is rappers now where's the rock band or the country star or jazz group. hip hop is the dominant genre right now and it's what all the kids listen to regard less of race
Who gets to decide
R. C. Why? The top paid rappers aren't mumblers most of these "lil" kids never get that far.
I'm 2 years old and listen to 3pac and Smallie Biggs smh my generation sucks
Hahaha smallie biggs
Ben Dover
Omfg, you parodied those "i hate my generation" comments perfectly 😂
Nigga stfu
Lmao XD
what tha fuck?
New school rapper should definitely listen to old-school rap but not to just know the culture but also to expand their styles of rapping. These mumble rappers all rap the same because they only listen to migos and future and people like that but if they try to expand their horizon by listening to more styles of rap, their music and style will evolve because otherwise, they're gonna get left behind like Soulja Boy.
Ajay Madala Soulja Boy left himself behind when gave up his clean rap image to be a gangster
so you don't know these young rappers to say that
Kriss Kross wasn't kidz bop. Even Pac listened to Jump.
yeah; its like wiz khalifa featuring lil skies
MadVillainy 👍🏼
Kriss Kross was kids and teenage sensations but had some adult content to some of their lyrics in the music they made. They were teenagers themselves. Teens make music for their age group and kids.
Ya but... oh shit, I gotta go... I missed the bus.
And if hitler listened to Britney Spears it would’ve been gangsta rap, right?
"Teachers teach and do the world good. Kings just rule and most are never understood." -Some rapper from the South Bronx
Good job Murs
Cool segment. It is up to us to talk to the younger cats about their predecessors in order for them to grow.
Vernell Thomas if a nigga is inspired by bjork, ye or a throat singer,m. It doesn’t fucking matter if they “pay respect” to 90s hip hop when they’re different
Murs is underrated
Has anyone cared to think that maybe the newer generation of rappers do not respect the older generation and old heads because the old heads are so quick to judge/call the music trash you bash them without even listening to them. You don't have to like it but why hate on it your parents was saying the same thing about music back then but now look ya turned around and turned into the people who you found annoying as a youth
Branden Jayy you make a valid point, now look at this view: the old heads laid down a foundation of hip hop and turned it into a culture. They put everything on the line, they put maximum effort into their work. Think of Mos Def for a minute. Mathematics. A classic song. Do you think he was lazy when he went on the track? No, he put a lot of thought into that.
Now, let's look at this new school of today. They either repeat a few words, mumble to the point that it's impossible to understand, or they just say a phrase over and over again. Is the new school creative? No. Are they talented? No.
The new school has entered the old heads dojo with muddy shoes and tracked it all over. The old heads feel disrespected because the new school is not driven. Post Malone hasn't inspired me, Lil Uzi Vert hasn't made me enlightened, Lil Yachty doesn't make me wanna dance, and none of this group has done anything to impress me or the old heads. So, for the new school to try and compare itself to the old, and claiming to better, is a slap in the face to the very founders of hip hop.
The music younger kids listen today is more relatable and fitting for their generation. Shit, they didn't live in the 90's inner cities they lived in the wreckless, druggie, Xanax popping, black wannabe time. That's just how it is.
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Branden Jayy fax
Christian Dean nobody compares it
murs, you're a legend
The fact that Hip Hop is still going so strong that people argue over which gen is best is a win.
I think part of being in the younger generation is wanting to feel like you don't have to be anything like the old cats to find success. And while I don't think it's ever appropriate to throw shade at or disrespect those that came before you, I don't think any artist should have to love or aspire to be like the classics. Old heads should remember that when their shit first came out, their Wu-Tang, their NWA, their Snoop, people everywhere were hating on those artists, but that was part of the fun; proving that you don't have to be what anyone else wants you to be to find success or even just have fun. Art is always progressing, so let's not get butthurt that your favorite rapper isn't topping charts anymore. Google exists, my dudes, and no one's making you listen to shit that you don't want to, so stop starting beef and listen to whoever you want, cuz the radio and TV don't exclusively have the power to dictate what's hot anymore. You had your time, and we love you for it, now let the young cats have theirs. Whether or not they last though, is on them. They've got to either evolve and learn to grow, or they'll phase out. Plus don't act all high and mighty, Jay-Z's still out here buying himself triple platinums and young kids don't see that as a rapper: they see a corporate machine.
Well said.
Damn couldn’t have said it better
thisssss thank you
He mentioned Mac Miller...... Rap in Paradise young legend 🙏🏾 💯
No disrespect to the guy but Mac Miller is no legend.
Rip Mac Miller
Shaun Designs as a fan, I can see your point. But, with Blue Slide Park being number one as an independent release, that was a huge moment in proving what an independent artist can do in the new generation (still proving true to this day). Also, his rap style and approach to music has been a huge influence to many artists in this era like Brockhampton, XXX & way more that I’m sure I’m missing. He played multiple instruments fluently & produced many types of records with different aliases like Larry, Thomas etc.
He’ll definitely be more cemented with time!
@@MonstaaBoii Yeah I agree, he had a few solid hits but never was there lyrically nor musically.
When he died everyone was like: RIP, he was so talented, what a legend, blah blah. Its honestly not true.
90% Of these people were not buying his albums, nor knew more than 1-2 songs from him.
He was never in the mainstream or acknowledged by basically anyone.
Eminem and kendrick are considered legends today, before death, when you get 'legend' status after death, then you weren't a legend.
Was he talented? Yes, did he do good things with his career? Sure, but he will never be a legend to hiphop, just because he's dead doesn't mean we have to pretend its true.
I'm not sure where Aaron thinks X was inspired by mac miller, as none of his music has ever sounded anything like mac's music.
Mac was a generic rapper who managed to stand out, there is nothing wrong with that.
Recently Mac millers estate was valued and he left 7 million dollars behind, that's between ALL of his homes, assets, cars, etc.
Clearly this is not someone who is a 'legend' to hiphop, I don't mean to value someone by the money they have, but obviously legends do sales, for having an 8+ year long career he has little to show for it compared to any of his peers. Nobody brings up mac miller in a top 50 or top 100 conversation.
Respect the man for what he did, not for what you want him to be because he's dead. He'll leave a legacy, but he was not a hiphop legend.
Violent I don’t agree with legend make sales argument. While if Mac was it wasn’t doesn’t matter to me I really don’t listen to him much but take a look at Big L man was a massive influencer and to me a legend but wasn’t around for very long.
Mac made legendary status the last 3 albums. Period. It was then he made music that was incredibly lyrical,emotional and personal. Very gritty. But it wasnt the status quo. It was a new sound. So to appreciate it, you have to hear it from a open perspective
Grew up during the beginning of hip hop when we didn't even know what to call the music. It was break dance beats, then evolved and is still evolving. I appreciate your well thought out and researched way you put it into perspective.
i love both MF DOOM and young thug thank you very much
DOOM!
Murs for President
i never clicked so fast!!
Another Bad Creation. Wow you're taking me back. I thought I imagined them at one point.
eon001 Oh my, remember Immature?
NEVER FORGET! Lol! I was all about them! I play them for my 4 yr. old
You remember Quo
Murs seems like the dude you knew in high school who was always really chill and also sold some great weed
You’re message was on point! Thanks for putting this together Yo needed to see this
You should do a series on new artists on the rise, that'd be pretty cool
Levi Erdman I agree so many underrated artist that's upcoming and been slept on
I'm 20, and I've grown up listening to all types of rap music. I know plenty of old school rappers, but the thing is I don't categorize them in the same area as new wave artists like Lil Uzi Vert and Famous Dex.
It's a whole different genre of music to me, and I feel like it should be treated that way. I love listening to everything from Nas' Illmatic to Kodak Black's Project Baby Two I legit don't care. If it's not your taste, then you don't have to listen to it. imo the new generation is all about having fun, less about being a gangsta and rhyming.
There are absolutely too many judgements made in regards to rap produced in the last decade and it was all honestly to be expected. The art itself came out of left field from the beginning, was taken to outer space, explored the inner conscious, and crossed cultures so that now it's unrecognizable but very familiar at the same time. The spirit of rap has remained the same throughout the ages and is still evident today, that spirit is creativity. Even though there are lots of artist that seem to not pay homage or put great effort into lyricism nobody can deny that they are being creative. Just like it was said, give the artist time to grow and develop. Some of these new cats are going to surprise the world with amazing talent in about 7 years.
Yeah i agree that we should see where it goes. I mean, take Punk Rock for example, some of the most influential dudes could barely play their instruments and had voices that could barely stay in key but their personas and style started a movement. Later they evolved into Grunge and Alternative music which people still enjoy to this day. Hopefully Hip Hop doesnt fall off like Rock though lol.
Born in 84, so technically a millennial I didn’t know mumble/emo rap was a real sub-genre until I discovered this channel, my favorite rhymers are KGR, Redman, Sean Price, Steele from Smif N Wessun, WU-particularly the WU-gambinos(ghost,rae), newer cats Roc Marciano is a magician and been at it for while now shit he was in flip mode squad back in the mid 00s, newer cats KA from Brownsville the whole GxFR crew... I love hip hop was a huge Def Jux, Eastern Conference records fan in the 00’s my self... love the thought provoking convos it truly makes me think and question one of the things I love the most which is Hip Hop!
Its a larger problem than music.
I work with the youth. New kids these days don't understand/respect/know their black history.
Hip hop/Rap history is also Black history.
We need to invest in black history for our youth.
Another great episode, Murs! Great work, keep them coming! ✊🏽
There are people who like both generations of rap🤚🏻
I woke up this morning and realized that the skye is blue Tf going on
As for the gap, one generation grew up seeing hiphop as just something to listen to and maybe dress like. The other grew up seeing hiphop as it's own subculture, complete with history and rules. Hard to get someone who got into rap through youtube and soundcloud to understand what it was like in New York in the 80's.
"After 20 years in, I'm so naïve I was under the impression
That everyone wrote they own verses
It's comin' back different and, yeah, that shit hurts me
I'm hummin' and whistlin' to those not deserving
I've stumbled and lived every word
Was I working just way too hard?"
“The forefather of my nuts.” Iconic forever
I'm not a old head but I'm not a new head who likes Uzi, 21 , lil pump, future,young thug etc , I'm 17 so wtf am I , I hate how they put us 15-25 year olds as "new heads" that listen to trash it's dumb
KRS-TWO well I don't
Keyser Soze you realize 'Millenials' is anyone born after 1979 right? As in anyone who grew up in the 80's or 90's. I'm willing to bet that puts you in the 'socially awkward, scary, lazy ass young, dumb ass' box as well
Keyser Soze who ate you talking too ?
Keyser Soze Maybe santa can bring me a dictionary so I can understand what you just said.
Fuckin A Murs. I'm 21 which puts me round about the same age as all these new rappers coming out but if I'm keeping it straight up, they drive me up the fuckin wall. Every new mumble rap dude that comes out I get angry. Like it just doesn't clique with me. Rap was and always has been about two things: words and beats. I feel like the words are no longer there with these new guys. And that's what kills me. I try really hard to be open minded with it but I just can't be. I grew up on an eclectic blend of rap, one of which was you. I love Tyler, Mac, Kendrick, Soulo, Vince Staples, Anime, even Migos. It's just the mumble rap shit that I can't even begin to understand the appeal of. With that being said, your opinion on this newer generation has definitely resonated with me and I think I'm gonna try like a mother fucker to find some way to understand and appreciate these newer artists and allow them into what I understand to be our culture. Much love and respect, Murs. You an Old Head and you're wise as fuck.
No matter how many of these videos I watch, your wisdom and level-headedness always amazes me.
Murs......THE standard for Hip Hop/Rap industry reporting and documentary. I love listening to this brother report. Insightful and thorough. I am an old head, so, him giving the honest about where the genre is heading helps keep me honest. Peace and blessings Murs, stay healthy and keep giving the real.
I know all of tupac songs and drakes songs
Kanye is my favorite tho
I'm also bumping bank account by 21
There's no gap just stubborn people
Drake isn't a rapper
AzDef_NL he kinda is
AzDef_NL He is a rapper. He started as a rapper and mostly rapped. He didn’t start singing until later on. He even did a song with Elzhi and Phonte
Nasir Thompson drake cant rap and doesnt rao it doesnt matter what people he did songs with drake isnt a rapper because rap is sending a message not talking about your money or crying about a girl you got cuz of your money
Gustavo Cantellano Party rap and brag rap has existed since hip hop has. Music doesn't have to tell a DEEP story.
@hiphopDX love this channel but can u talk about GURU from Gangstarr
If the new generation don't want to be associated with hip hip than let them be. Hip Hop doesn't need them.
ezel masina hip hip lols
Your the man MURS. Always super thoughtful and articulated. Big ups, peace
“Because you’re a fucking adult.”
That’s hella real.
About 5 years ago my son was 11 and started listening to radio play hip hop. We sat down and talked about the culture of hiphop. It’s my culture. I bought Raising Hell when I was 8.
I built some play lists. We talked the evolution of lyricism.
He’s broadened my listening tastes. Now I listen to JID, Tobi Lou, Earthgang, Kyle...
I used to stand out at a show as the white guy in the 80s and 90s. Now I’m the old guy.
Can you make a video on how the "general content" of Rap is changing? For example there are more and more songs nowadays about how the artist avoids or overcomes violence, drugs, or gang presence. When a while ago those kind of things were praised -more often than not- as stuff that made you strong, cool, ect.
Lauren Hill was #1 female artist and Black Now we have Cardi B
Actually its the opposite. Back then, they talked about drugs but didnt glorify them. These days they're all talking about sippin sizzurp.
Tyler S songs please bc imo it is the exact opposite
Tyler S I think it's the other way round. Nothing has really changed in terms of praising illicit sex, drugs and all that
They still rap about violence. Instead of rapping about selling drugs (ex weed) theyre talkin about doin em.