Manga: At the beginning Eren hears “see you later Eren” and Mikasa wakes Eren up At the end Mikasa kills Eren and says “see you later Eren” Anime: Eren doesn’t hear “see you later” and Mikasa doesn’t wake him up
plus eren said when he fought annie in the anime i will destroy the world ( isiyama knew that eren will destroy the world but he did not foreshadow it in the manga cause eren will not complete the rambling in the manga )
eren va said that he will say tatakae tatakae in the final ep of aot , he said that on an interview in 2/2021 that became private now ( search about it in reddit and you will find people talking about it before the last chapter ) , eren did not say tatakae in the final chapters , so aoe is the truth
I mean now that I think about it, the Manga's Ending does kinda give off "The Bad Ending" Vibes. I was content with it, but if it was always planned to be the alternative ending then I'll be absolutely dumbfounded at the level of planning by Isayama.
I don't think the canon ending is so much a "Bad ending", it's a realistic one, Eren had to die, even the protagonist can't get away with genocide. Thoses still alive at the end got to live their lives, yes, Paradis was destroyed (most likely because of the Yeagerists and their successors politics), but the final panel is actually hopefull ( I think). The kid about to come in contact with the source of all life is nothing like Ymir, who was terrified and wished an indestructible body, maybe this time something truly usefull to humanity will be created and not titans ?
@@sganarellelevalet7479 you're right, "Bad ending" isn't a good description. More like the "middle ending" similar to the main endings of cave story or Undertale. I don't think the manga ending is even close to bad, but it's Missing the same flair I came to expect from Isayama. Like just a few things that don't make sense from a man of his talents. Big one being how historia's child seems to be a big deal until it just kinda isn't, the reveal of Eren killing his mother being hardly a single page, and things like the Eldian child Titan inheritance never really being used at any point in the story. Idk I might be nitpicking. The current ending is good but it could have been so much better is basically what I'm getting at.
@@xetachron I simply don't see what a better alternative could be. The only thing I can even imagine is Eren succeeding in wiping out everyone, probably including his friends, which would obviously be much darker than the ending we got. With Historia's child I can understand why some people were disappointed, but I think that is the beauty of it. There is a theme in the story about keeping the children out of the forest, which is why it makes sense that this child isn't special, it isn't born for some higher purpose, it is just a child. The reveal of Eren killing his mother was in my opinion not really necessary, but it shows his determination, his tragic story and the idea that he is trapped by his own future. Eren is obsessed with freedom and yet he was forced to kill his mom to avoid a time paradox. The inheritance thing is in my opinion just a plot device. It is simply a reason to not kill the titan characters, as well as an explaination of why none of the 9 titans have been lost
@@sganarellelevalet7479 you seem to misinterpet why many people (including me) hate the ending, its not because eren dies, heck it made me sad that he died but i didnt hate the ending because of that, what made me angry is the stupid way he concluded the rumbling. he either should have destroyed 100% of the rest of the world, or should not have killed anyone (getting stopped before he reached marley). because what happened now, is that basically the whole story had no purpose, or what did eren and the other characters achieve? nothing! everything that happened, was for nothing because paradise got destroyed and the cyrcle of hatred continued. Now the story was just a glimps of one, of the revisions of the never ending cyrcle of hatred which at the end resulted in paradise destruction. it just makes me feel what was even the point of me reading this if nothing changed at the end. imagine it like this: you drive on a road (the story before the mabga starts) and now take a turn to the right instead of going straight(the whole story we viewed with eren) and at the end you arive at the same road where you left at the beginning and arrived at the same destination which you would have met even if you didnt take the turn.
All I’ll say: if this does happen, and we get an anime exclusive ending that changes things, then Isayama will really have created one of the best stories period.
@@Marvellousdeath115 A movie doesn't mean a new ending, it would most likely be a more fleshed out version of the canon ending, the better option in my opinion.
it is one of the greatest stories period, with the manga ending. It's a good ending. Even if you disagree, that doesn't detract from what Isayama has achieved.
My thoughts are the only way we’re getting an aoe is if Isayama planned to give the manga a different ending to the anime from the very beginning. He wouldn’t do it over negative reception or unpopularity. Either 1) Isayama gave out a fake ending to manga readers so both manga and anime viewers watch the true ending for the first time without getting spoiled, which is insane or 2) they add to the ending without changing the overall message, adding details or filling unanswered questions. Both outcomes give me high hopes, as long as they don’t just leave it as it is, as I was actually fine with the zoomed-out theme but upset with the smaller details.
isayama actually said that the attack on titan anime is the definitive edition of attack on titan and not the manga unlike other manga that have an anime, so that being said its highly possible that isayama added his ending to the manga to see the reaction and when the time comes we can all see the actual canon ending in the anime
@@Abrax3s i just hope he didnt change the story of the ending with the feedback he got and he better not take inspiration from the shitty ending-haters fanfiction ending.
Yeah maybe he caught wind of cunts who can't resist to ruin the experiences for others, in that sense I'd probably do the same thing as a writer, fake manga ending with true ending dropping simultaneously for everyone The only problem is that the ending will be in a movie, so some will have to see after others
not sure if this is important to the theory, but in the manga, mikasa's scarf is canonically black, and in the anime, we know her scarf is red. In the most recent episode where erens head made contact with zeke and we traverse through his memories, we see a shot of young mikasa with a black scarf instead of a red one.
I was 50/50 on aoe but now that King Bullet is talking about it… okay I’m like 75% on it happening now. I know King Bullet cares about this series as much as us.
I am surely convinced that there will be an aoe. Here are my main three reasons for believing so: one, of course, the most obvious, the beginning of the anime doesn’t start off with “see you later, Eren”, but rather a strange dream. The second reason, episode 5, that weird chubby royal dude was never shown in the manga, or put into simpler terms, never existed in the manga. Finally, in episode 81 the flashback with Eren and Mikasa (the one where he asks Mikasa about her feelings for him) isn’t even there, meaning it is probably going to come up later and that whole scene is going to play out differently. Hoping strong for the aoe! If it doesn’t happen, I am still fine with the original ending. It would just be a better conclusion to the story to have something such as Attack on Requiem. Edit: There is two more things I have to say - in the opening, toward the end, during the scene where Eren is screaming, you can see titan steam coming from his neck - almost as if he emerged from the Warhammer titan and regrew his head? Second, during the scene where Eren transforms into the founding Titan in episode 80, you can clearly see that he is transforming from the bottom up, as the bones are larger at the bottom and smaller at the top, opposed to the manga which is the complete opposite, having larger bones at the top and smaller bones at the bottom. Hope my friends... Hope!!!
All this Anime Original Ending speculation on the internet honestly just feels like huge copium to me, and while I wish we gotten a different finale than the one we have, I feel it is ultimately the only one we will get. God I hope this comment ages poorly, please make me look like a clown Isayama and Mappa, please🙏
We’re getting a movie 80 percent likely . Like ema highschool cast said reacting to the ending, if there is another one let’s watch it together. The movie is the sequel
@@gensischosen251 popular opinion is a terrible standard for changing art. Popular opinion changes all the time, and I strongly believe the opinion of AOT's ending will grow to be considerably more positive over time as people grow an appreciation for the artistic integrity of the ending
@Sergio Garzon Parra People give the Tybur vision too much credit. It's pretty easy to foreshadow a random house/random toys and then create a link later in the story, now all of a sudden it's "deep." this is not always the case. Just like in Breaking bad at the beginning of Season 5 when Vince foreshadowed the machine gun, he had absolutely no idea how he was actually going to end the series and had to come up with it later. I'm not saying this is definitely what happened in AOT's case, but it's a strong possibility.
God Dammit, I can't believe a single video got me back into Attack on Titan Ending theories. This is by far the best theory I've heard for (in all honesty) anything.
Your end game theory was so fucking brilliant, I believe in this time-line theory, I think is quite bold to do something like this but it can be easily done, the backlash will be great though
The backlash from the manga readers after 139 and the additional pages was a lot worse than what will happen if we get an AOE. I think it’ll be universal praise except from those who want Eren to end up with Mikasa.
I mean Isayama has mentioned before the anime is the final version of his story and in an interview he said he wanted the ending to hurt all his readers ska manga aka second timeline and he’s said while playing muv luv he felt hurt and betrayed by the writer after finishing where takeru looses aka second timeline until he played the 3rd timeline he’s doing this shit all over but with aot expect the real ending in anime guys watch
Oh, I want him to hurt us so very, very badly. I want this to be a thing Break our hearts, Yams. We're offering them to you. Take them and dash them on the ground, grind on them into little pieces with a cruel boot, smear them into the dirt, and piss on them with all the malice you have in your bones, you sadistic genius.
Mikasa being associated with a butterfly could also be a reference to the Butterfly effect, where one tiny change in the past can affect a much bigger thing in the future. A.k.a. Mikasa having a different answer for Erens question changing the fate of the entire world.
As someone who enjoyed the 139 ending, I liked the idea that you have brought up in your video. I would be down if this does happen but I will still keep an open mind as not to be disappointed.
I just reread the manga, on mikasa dream/alternate reality/previous loop she said "see you later" and on first manga chapter eren hear the same thing, but when mikasa kill eren on chapter 138 she didnt say anything, she just kissed him, and on anime first episode we didnt hear anything so now i think its actually gonna happen
My bet is the deviation gonna happen when eren talk to each of them, where armin instead of agreeing with eren, perhaps fight eren influence just like how he did it with zeke previously and tried to save him
That would mean that Isayama planned all of this since the moment WIT studio started working on Attack on Titan. If that's the case, Isayama is truly levels above other manga writers. I would love that to be the case but I'm not so optimistic.
Well, at 2:50, its said that eren let himself be killed and gave up , but i just realised that the lyrics to the new intro say ,,If I lose it all, slip and fall I will never look away" which may imply that we will get a new ending (this is just my theory, im not saying it will happen)
Been of the belief aoe for a bit now makes perfect sense for the story to end off the story this way from the 3 timelines of the 3 main characters of armin, mikasa, and eren, to erens dream being different in the manga and anime, also the I believe another point of imagery that proves a aoe ending is if you notice in the ed the white pedals eren is standing around and the knife with blood on his hand, it is very similar to the scenery in the akatsuki no resquim mv, where the entity holding the arrow if highly believed to be kid eren seeing the end, in which the ed depicts just that
At the end there you said “death is to quick for Eren, he could suffer a punishment worse!” I remember Erens grandfather tell him “if your truly are healthy you should go back to your family now, your friends and loved ones may not always be there for you and if you take them for granted you will be left with nothing but regret!” (Personally I find that the wises thing Erens grandfather has ever said in the series and I get the meaning) this is something I’m putting my thought on would Eren actually feel regret about every thing he did
It’s coming . Aot ripped of muv luv, like isayama said and I mean literally watch LightThatIgnitesAll videos on it . The 3 timelines. Some anime only memory shards that we saw in the manga in ch130 (E.g historia eye shard that we only saw in the anime ), which obv suggests the anime is another timeline to the manga . Eren says everything is still ahead in ch130 as we see all his memory shards which suggests some memories that we haven’t seen are still ahead because he’s seeing all the timelines. The black scarf in the trailer. Erens dream in the anime is completely different from the manga. The aot sound director brings up anime original ending in the anime event and erens voice actor is panicking and playing it down. Most importantly join the aoe subreddit
@@wunderpal9206 Because Erehisus is completely irrelevant to the story. Too many shippers were so adamant that Historia and her child were supposed to be a huge plot when in reality they simply forgot that Historia's only a side character whose arch was complete. And her baby was created to keep her safe from titan experiments, that is all. But we have so many still suffering from, "Pretty girl pregnant, must be MC's baby" disorder.
it’s kinda cool to think of “different outcomes “ irl like in different timelines irl something happened or didn’t, i really love this video and ur voice is so amazing!!!
@@tylionn Worth noting that in the manga they are very small, the anime actually devoted a large portion of the memory shard scene to them along with the sauna image. I've been wondering for the past week why they gave it so much attention despite it being so tiny in the manga, but you gotta admit this kind of makes sense
I Noticed that line " If i loose it all outside the wall, i will live to fight another day.." the 1st time i was watching the op.. because i was looking for it.. But this line makes so much sense if AoE is going to happen.. if i loose it all outside the wall - can be interpreted as how eren is going to loose his friends outside the walls.. in AOE I will live to fight another day - cab be interpreted as Eren will live after loosing his friends and he will fight another DAY as in he's fighting living.. because he regrets his decision that made him loose his friends.. so basically Eren becomes the new reiner... Wishing to die fighting his life..
Dude just the idea of this gives me chills. If he actually planned for aot to be a parallel to muv luv like this all the way back in 2013 when the anime first started airing, then aot will probably become my favorite anime of all time.
The ending of any story is paramount. If Isayama’s story is to be remembered as a masterpiece, even as a good story with a cohesive ending, the finale must change
@@hethen5846 Who cares when it’s purely subjective, no matter how much people like or dislike the ending, it will always be up to their interpretation if it was “good” or not
@@flyingdragoncar4975 that sucks that it did but I personally don’t see how it could completely ruin your view on the story. If you love aot before you still love it even with the ending, kimmda sad how one chapter made you hate the show. Aot is a 9/10 with the ending . Ch1-137 is 10/10 ch138-139 are 6-7/10
Since the end of the manga I always wondered why they made mikasa's ova with parallel lines if they weren't going to use it in the main plot, if the anime ends in the way that eren saw his end of the manga and changes it it would be too epic , but they are only theories, we have to see what happens!
@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 the fandom is very weird and kind of sick. I keep hearing people saying eren was right to kill humanity because he did it to protect his friends. But that doesn't jive with the story since he did kill a lot of his own people and then lead to humanity coming back and doing genocide right back on what was left of his people behind the walls. But as OP stated there was suppose to be a even darker end where everyone dies.
same i honestly want to see that ending that got shelved , the one where everyone gets it. I guess we kinda did considering that 20% of humanity get revenge.
@@flyingdragoncar4975 It just doesn’t work that eren left 20% of the outside world alive. That amount of people would still largely outnumber the population of paradise and would likely come together to slaughter the whole island shortly after. Basically eren did nothing and got his kin killed anyways. Once he started the rumbling, he HAD to finish it to ensure the safety of his people.
For Manga readers only: Before ther manga ended, with my friends we had this theory. That Eren was still in Paradis while the rumbling was going. That he was doing the technique of the Warhammer titan while regenerating in Paradis. When Zeke dies, the rumbling would stop, and inmediatly Historia son was born and the power of the beast titan would go to Historia's son (Isayama never used the "when a Titan shifter dies, the power goes to the next Eldian born" card). By this time Eren would have already regenerated, he would walk to Historia son (that we also thought was Eren's son), touch him and the rumbling would continue and everyone die and Eren was successful.
How would the titans powers disappear then, all erens friends would die too. That would leave 2 out of his biggest goals in life unaccomplished. Even his 3rd one to be free would be meaningless cus he would never be free from the guilt of destroying the whole world none of his dearest friends would be there for him either. Even historia didn’t support what he did
@@lilmupp875 the same way he stopped the Titan powers disappeared in the manga ending........and Eren not being "free" from the guilt wouldn't make sense, In the manga he wasn't destroyed with guilt at killing 80% of humanity.....nor were the alliance after the killed Eren.....they grevied and moved on...........in the manga Paradise was not free it was destroyed, Armin did not save Paradise, Everyone died for no reason, Eren killed 80% of humanity for nothing, Titans come back and Eldians are going to be Slaves again......so it's either that or Eren actually does what he sets out to do and save Paradise........
I think that what you are saying is 100% true for one reason. In season 4 episode 19 "Two Brothers" there is a mayor hint that parallel worlds are a thing. When we get the transition from the battle with Marley to the Paths, Gothkasa and Nerdmin appear.
In episode 80 is missing a very important panel from the manga. Spoiler! Where Eren asks "what am i to you, mikasa?". This line has a big impact in the later chapters, so its missing is a clear indication that the ending might not be the same as the manga's ending
@@generalscathach6452 so when the scene took place originally you would want the Ymir flashback right into the Marley flashback? That’s dumb. It’ll happen during the freedom scene or the campfire and mikasa just brings it up or something
I think that IF the anime gets an original ending, we should see something in the last episode of part 2 of the final season, that seriously derails the story from the manga timeline.
I think the tree represents how many titans branched off from Ymir. After the daughters ate Ymir, it shows the tree having three paths branching off of it
I think if there is some sort of anime-original alternate timeline it’ll be explored in a movie or an ova. After all, the idea of alternate timelines is originally brought up in the ova in the first place, plus I doubt mappa has the time or manpower to completely change the ending. It’s definitely possible they’ll add or change some details to make the last arc flow better, but they’ll probably keep the board strokes the same, especially when they already have a blueprint right there
7:13 i want to add that when looking at chapter 1 this scene in particular is the only page that has a number which is 13. And if you look further you see the year 845. And in CH 138 Page 45 we see 8:25. Which is the dream Eren woke up from in CH 1 & episode 1 of the Anime. Now I would love for this to be a coincidence but Isayama is a damn genius.
The manga ending is the dark timeline for Paradis seeing as they eventually got destroyed in the end. The anime could be the timeline were Paradis prospers for years to come at the expense of humanity. Maybe the kid at end of 139 approaching the founding tree falls in and receives the founding. This could possibly lead to him tapping into Eren’s memories of saving his friends and Paradis. Maybe this is what causes the timeloop and the dream Eren has is from the dark timeline. Im reaching a bit but I think it makes sense.
The Colors Theory returns in the Anime. Pixis remarks RED (Unwilling Accomplice) BLACK(Jaegerist) WHITE(Innocent). Eren's Clothing Brown (young) White (see you later) Black (The Real Enemy) but Mikasa's Scarf from Eren is RED in the anime, no longer black like the manga, Eren is unwilling against genocide but knows what he must do after 2 failed timelines, this applies to Mikasa as well. The songs in Final Season, My War: "Let's start a new life from the darkness , Until the light reveals the end" (Eren and Mikasa travel alternate realities) "Sinister faces, growing curses...This is my last war" (The Final Timeline), RUMBLING:"I don't want anything, I'm just here to BREAK FREE" and SHOCK: "If there's someone out there, tell the world that I was here, that I had been, that I had lived." The Alpha (Ymir the creator) seeks Omega (Eren destined to end things), to truly achieve freedom by reincarnating her away from the Path's anomaly, via Historia's child. Finally Eren's fate, I have 2 ending theories in mind after He eliminates all enemies and Titans, 1.) then wipes out everyone's memory except His in NO WAY HOME fashion, his punishment is to remember everyone as long as He lives "Akatsuki no Requiem" 2.) He walks one last time in Paradis to welcome a reincarnated Ymir in a free world, and then crumbles into dust after exhaustion from overusing the Founder, as the dawn greets Him "AKUMA NO KO"...only to wake up in AU lol
Imo there's one more thing the song "Barricades" (S2 OST) in the last ep (S4 Part 2 Episode 6) i found more interesting that part in the lyrics "You know you had to kill her, kill her!" represents AOE for Eren to kill Mikasa.
Don’t piece yourself for disappointment, the ending can’t and shouldn’t be changed, the only thing that might change is it may be more fleshed out with better pacing. The ending is amazing just please try and change the way you view Eren, he’s not a hero, or a martyr, he’s a man child who is obsessed with his childhood fantasy
@@thechiefscousin Well Isayama talked about a different ending aside from his original idea, which the manga gave us. Plus, if that's how you interpreted Eren in the ending...I could hate him myself and wonder what you read. The last chapter proves you wrong in so many ways, its like you were trying to shit post but couldn't stick the landing with hiding it, that's how see-thorugh it is
@@thechiefscousin he isn’t a man child. He’s a depressed 19 year old that doesn’t want t to die but wants to live in a world with his friends for long lives.
@@vicc6790 the freedom panel where Eren is depicted like a child above the rumbling is to highlight this man child concept (lack of maturity due to him being moral frozen in time essentially). It highlight in plain site that eren is in fact no more morally complex than his childlike self was. And that this immaturity is what enables eren to find a positive emotion in such a terrible deed such as the rumbling
While I hope this is true, I have my doubts. That other japanese game story sort of already fits with the 139 chapters we were given. The alternate timeline where Eren and Mikasa run away together, with Eren succumbing to the curse of Ymir seems to lead the to the time loop. At some point when Eren unlocks his future memories using the Attack Titan, he fully realizes that he looped when he was under the tree in chapter 1. This is why he shows Mikasa these memories so she knows that it has to be this way. He achieves his goal of saving Paradis from the world, saving his friends by sacrificing himself, and ending the Ymir titan cycle as well as the time loop. I feel like this almost works, but there were far too few sacrifices made in the end compared to any other part of the story, and it's way too similar to Code Geass. And not done nearly as well as Code Geass to make it worse. There are some things that do point to your theory, specifically in the added manga panels in 139. This either was genius work of Isayama or he's just doubling down on a bad ending, probably the latter unfortunately. Even worse than the original ending, Eren's only real accomplishment is saving his friends and Paradis in the near future. Paradis in the future is completely destroyed, and his grave site seems to have propagated the origin of the founding titan again. So his home is eventually destroyed, and a new titan cycle is probably going to start. I guess it's still better than the alternate timeline in the short term, but the extra panel details just leave you with dissatisfaction, making me wonder if it was really a necessary addition? That's the one similarity I see for an unfinished story like muv luv alternative. Now if Eren is still connected to the origin of the titans and can receive these far in the future memories, may be a far-fetched idea. Like I said earlier, the ending is quite frustrating as it almost does a good job. I'm not one of those fans who wanted to see Eren destroy everyone in his path including his friends, as that's pretty inconsistent with his character, especially looking at some of the flashback scenes that took place during the time skip before the Declaration of War. It was pretty obvious Eren was putting up an act, and he makes it clear before he starts his solo mission that saving his friends is his true goal. I just wish it wasn't dragged out with like tons of plot armored characters not dying, minus Zeke. If the entire alliance, even the marleyans, were safe from the get-go, the entire final battle is pointless, making it bad storytelling. An evil Eren ending still could've been executed better than the one we got , but the last few arcs would need major changes in the foreshadowing and in Eren's development. As it stands now it is pretty clear he was merely pushing his friends away, never planning on putting the main crew in harms way. If Eren had to kill all his friends in another time loop, there would have to be a pretty damn good reason for it.
@@tvbroekhuizen6980 there's nothing more important in a man's life than protecting his family, even if it takes killing his friends to do it. Friends come and go but family is forever, plus it would justify eren's actions
This is a stretch, but About That one panel from the exhibition of grisha and Karla holding a baby. Since we're talking about Lost girls. In Lost girls - Mikasa mom had a baby. -The baby was blonde( showed on the manga, I don't think they showed the baby being born in the ova but didn't fully watch). - Mikasa mom was also sick ( maybe she dies after the birth, and Karla takes care of the baby, she was present when the baby is born) - Mikasa mom was knitting something pink ( as showed in the ova) I know fully well this is a stretch and probably doesn't have a connection. Its just interesting things I noticed.
SPOILER WARNING (MAYBE depending if Anime has original ending): I think it basically means that Mikasa (the butterfly) will die at the hands of Eren, since Eren will most likely complete the rumbling (the foot of a titan trampling the butterfly), the roles are reversed. Eren will kill all his friends. Notice how this fits the AOE. To me it makes a lot of sense. I also think that it will end with Eren showing Mikasa how he really felt through like going into paths or how their life could have turned out. Or it will end with Mikasa dying and Eren confessing his feelings for her when talking to Armin through paths. I might be wrong but I'm hoping for AOE.
*REASONS WHY THERE WON'T BE A ANIME ONLY ENDING* *MAPPA DON'T WANT TOXIC AOT STANS ATTACKING THEM AFTER THEY DON'T GET THE ENDING THEY FANTASIZE ABOUT*
Personally I do not like the idea of alternate timelines all the time in certain series as the concept can easily be abused for narrative purposes especially if it is a cosmology with infinite timelines or realities which causes a endless amount of hinted chaos and a infinite amount of bad calamities to happen in the background. If the author truly goes this route I would prefer he does not abuse the concept in such a way that leads to that amount of meaninglessness where choices do not matter that many series that delve into multiverses do they go crazy and overboard. When you are dealing with a multiverse you have to be really careful how you make the cosmology less you practically make a eternal chaotic wide world. It is best to tread carefully in these grounds depending on your mindset and intentions within the verse. I know many verses that did that such as Magi and it practically ruined the experience for me and was quite annoying.
I think it would be like the alternate time lines are perhaps time loops where the memories being projected back are trying to change their past actions to change the outcome?
Our battle is only getting started. The editors trusted that aot fans will understand why this is added in the end. we hope each viewer understands the truth as the story progresses. -The editors
5:25 ah, no you assumed incorrectly. 100% this question is reffering to the ending theme yuugure no tori from the second season of the anime, specifically isayama's response is discussing the sequence from 1:05 to 1:14 where the titans are seen rising along with the sun in the background. I believe Isayama wanted to pack the visuals of this ending theme with as many references that could be considered 'anime spoilers' that catered to the manga readers at the time who were caught up with the story.
I can’t lie that was the one thing that got me convinced but now that you said this, yeah it’s major copium. I still think it’s possible for it to happen but I would honestly be satisfied with an ending that’s not rushed and ties up loose ends. I could tell towards the end he was trying to people please, so if he’s going to stick with that ending at least make it so it makes more sense than it did originally in the manga, that’s all I ask for. Because at least then (even though I wouldn’t be particularly fond of it) it won’t have too many glaring issues plot wise and writing wise
Incorrect with the OP quote. It’s “if I lose it all outside the wall, live to die another day.” It’s being said to someone, not to themselves. If they die outside the walls, they want someone else to live out thier lives.
I and others were here, believing 100% without doubt that AOE was predestined. We just kept moving forward, until all our enemies were defeated. We are free.
I have a lot of feelings about the manga ending. I don't particularly like it, but I also don't dislike it. I just think they've deviated from the original thought process so much, that it's difficult to agree with Eren's choices. What I will have to say though is that Hange died for nothing. She could have absolutely survived the last encounter if she didn't just rush to her death on purpose. I'll also just have to pretend that chapter 139.5 just doesn't exist. I refuse to believe that someone enters the same tree, where Ymir got her parasite, just like that. I just won't accept a plot twist there they say a founder must always exist
The lyrics from barricades haunt me.. “you know you have to kill her.. kill her.. my dirty hands they never fade” 😶🌫️ Edit: SPOILER!!! if anyone has heard anything about the alternate realities and that the anime ending may have a different ending to the manga because of that being an alternate timeline. Than I’m nervous for those lyrics.
This theory is so good it feels like copium, If the anime goes for such an ending that is literally the most amazing thing ever, a ending that is told through the manga ending and the anime ending is amazing
Eren could’ve easily completed the rumbling. He could’ve taken their free will and gave it back when the rumbling’s complete. Eren’s main character trait is to keep pushing forward, so for him to not want it badly enough to temporarily manipulate his friends memories is weird. He’s already manipulated his friends memories and they would get them back. Isayama said he rushed the ending.
My guy could've altered the Alliance to fucking particles using the Founder's power. Assuming he just wanted to give humanity a "chance to fight back".
Yes it's really unfortunate we don't get to see the founder used to its full potential. We don't see Eren really use any of his powers he's obtained up to this point, even though he's the final big bad. Pretty disappointing, the one thing we got was a short colossal titan Eren.
Eren's main trait is to protect his loved ones and his hate of the ones who took the freedom from others and himself. If he had taken his friends free will, that would have been a contradiction.
@@Pca32227 I think this makes sense, but why Eren puts up a charade to barely fight back does not. He basically says his plan all along was to let himself lose, making the final battle pointless.
@@stkkjj but he didn't let himself lose, he fought them, just allowed them to have free will to fight him back and he lost. Also he just had like 4 years to live anyway, what better way to go than making your friends heroes and your country (paradis) safe for centuries?
Bro imagine the anime ends and once we get passed where Eren dies he suddenly wakes up earlier and the timeline and tells his Dad, "listen to me very carefully, I know how to destroy Marley" or something.
@@ELRAROamv yep on mikasa dream she said see you later and first manga chapter eren hear the same thing but when mikasa kill eren on chapter 139 she didnt say anything, she just kissed him, and on anime first episode we didnt hear anything
Am I the only one who liked the manga ending? What I understand about the ending was that Eren made himsef the villain so that the whole world will unite against him. So that Eldians and Marleyans will be united to fight him. So that the Paradis Marleyans could become independent. Basically, he had to be the villain so that Eldians can be the heroes.
It wasn’t even that Also Pixis asked even early on into the series “what if humanity had to unite to fight a greater threat?” Eren said that was too rosey, unrealistic and boring Its seems pretty intentional Isayama wanted to create an undesirable ending
@@KingBullet123 well what ending would you have wanted? You want Eren to be a good guy all along and that he’s gonna beat the crap out of Marley and he will return home a hero, living happily ever after with mikasa on a farm?
I feel like the only way this could happen is if there is actually a movie released after part 2. If there isn’t one part 2 will end normally with chapter 139
Lyrics: "If i loose it all outside the wall, i will live to fight another day". Translation: "If I get killed outside the wall, I'll have to resurrect in the Anime".
they have to. if he pulls this off. the fact the manga and the anime can both BE CANON and actually have happened, just one is a reset of the other. is mind blowing. beautiful if this is how it turns out
You mentioned the butterfly and I have a theory. In the manga, Mikasa kills Eren by cutting his head off like a praying matis. I think in the anime, she will be the butterfly.
note this also. the ending s4 p2 shows abandoned paradise instead of destroyed ... maybe meaning that eldians left paradise to explore the outside world ?. In ep 2 last week they showed 3 scenes which were not in the manga. an open cage, a black cloth ( which looked like mikasa's scarf . look up the scarf theory ), and then mikasa. Isayama is a scary genius to the point that he would show something that would make manga readers know what he's up to and yet anime watcher's define it as something else ( as in gabi leaving her cage of her own ignorance ) like isayama is 1000 steps ahead .... Im still in shock !!!
I'm convinced by the VAs being cagey about it. People are attached to the "deterministic" part of all of this but determinism also means alternate universes HAVE to exist, because SOMETHING had to start the loop that let Eren motivate Grisha in that moment. Perhaps Eren from another timeline to start that time loop. It's like in terminator, a man is sent back from the future to protect the mother of a leader of a human resistance against machines from a machine sent to kill her so that their leader would not exist, he impregnates the mother and their son turns out to be the leader of that resistance. How did this happen? That's a paradox. Well, someone had to have sent him back to begin with with a different goal. Or maybe the resistance leader was born to someone else, and was a different person in the original timeline. What I'm saying is, time loop paradoxes can't just HAPPEN logically, that would be a bonafide plot hole, something has to start these things.
THANK YOU OH MY GOD. Everyone is absolutely convinced the “Eren influencing the past” plot twist is one of the best in fiction but as of today, it still doesn’t make sense. Why was Eren trying to make events that have ALREADY happened take place? There has to be a reason and hopefully the anime ending can shed some light on that.
@@axyria6046 I think it's him trying to change the sort of time loop (I say it's sort of because it is and it isn't with them not going back in time and restarting but more so the memories are projected back) perhaps showing the memories to try and get them to act differently.
I also thought about that the red scarf in the ending "Akuma no ko" is connected to Mikasa, she than changed into a bird and wanted to be free, but failed and died.
Gonna do an Evangelion thing, with time loops. So when the series gets rebooted about 10 years from now, it’s going to have a golden ending that ends all time loops.
Not only of what's shown in this video, but in the 2nd ending of S1 in AOT, in one of the parts you can see a Mantis behind Mikasa. Also something I find intresting is that female Mantis eat their partners, What does this mean? Idfk, that's for the wizards to find out.
I don't give any high hopes for aoe even if it makes sense because we just don't know what will happen but yes this theory make sense and overall I can't hold on this way
People seem to be building up just to be disappointed again. I doubt they are changing the ending. If they do, well, I hope the people that were disappointed are happy with the new one. I was fine with the ending by the way. I get people not liking it, cause I have been disappointed with the ending of other things. One being those shitty last few seasons of Game of Thrones. Attacking the author though, some even going as far as death threat, is down right dumb as fuck.
Manga:
At the beginning Eren hears “see you later Eren”
and Mikasa wakes Eren up
At the end Mikasa kills Eren and says “see you later Eren”
Anime:
Eren doesn’t hear “see you later” and Mikasa doesn’t wake him up
plus the black birds in the anime and the white birds in the manga
plus eren said when he fought annie in the anime i will destroy the world ( isiyama knew that eren will destroy the world but he did not foreshadow it in the manga cause eren will not complete the rambling in the manga )
+ eren wake up calm in the manga and scared in the anime
now aoe is a sure thing my friend
eren va said that he will say tatakae tatakae in the final ep of aot , he said that on an interview in 2/2021 that became private now ( search about it in reddit and you will find people talking about it before the last chapter ) , eren did not say tatakae in the final chapters , so aoe is the truth
I mean now that I think about it, the Manga's Ending does kinda give off "The Bad Ending" Vibes. I was content with it, but if it was always planned to be the alternative ending then I'll be absolutely dumbfounded at the level of planning by Isayama.
I don't think the canon ending is so much a "Bad ending", it's a realistic one, Eren had to die, even the protagonist can't get away with genocide.
Thoses still alive at the end got to live their lives, yes, Paradis was destroyed (most likely because of the Yeagerists and their successors politics), but the final panel is actually hopefull ( I think).
The kid about to come in contact with the source of all life is nothing like Ymir, who was terrified and wished an indestructible body, maybe this time something truly usefull to humanity will be created and not titans ?
@@sganarellelevalet7479 you're right, "Bad ending" isn't a good description. More like the "middle ending" similar to the main endings of cave story or Undertale. I don't think the manga ending is even close to bad, but it's Missing the same flair I came to expect from Isayama. Like just a few things that don't make sense from a man of his talents. Big one being how historia's child seems to be a big deal until it just kinda isn't, the reveal of Eren killing his mother being hardly a single page, and things like the Eldian child Titan inheritance never really being used at any point in the story. Idk I might be nitpicking. The current ending is good but it could have been so much better is basically what I'm getting at.
@@xetachron I simply don't see what a better alternative could be. The only thing I can even imagine is Eren succeeding in wiping out everyone, probably including his friends, which would obviously be much darker than the ending we got. With Historia's child I can understand why some people were disappointed, but I think that is the beauty of it. There is a theme in the story about keeping the children out of the forest, which is why it makes sense that this child isn't special, it isn't born for some higher purpose, it is just a child. The reveal of Eren killing his mother was in my opinion not really necessary, but it shows his determination, his tragic story and the idea that he is trapped by his own future. Eren is obsessed with freedom and yet he was forced to kill his mom to avoid a time paradox. The inheritance thing is in my opinion just a plot device. It is simply a reason to not kill the titan characters, as well as an explaination of why none of the 9 titans have been lost
@@xetachron “Neutral Ending” if you will
@@sganarellelevalet7479 you seem to misinterpet why many people (including me) hate the ending, its not because eren dies, heck it made me sad that he died but i didnt hate the ending because of that, what made me angry is the stupid way he concluded the rumbling. he either should have destroyed 100% of the rest of the world, or should not have killed anyone (getting stopped before he reached marley). because what happened now, is that basically the whole story had no purpose, or what did eren and the other characters achieve? nothing! everything that happened, was for nothing because paradise got destroyed and the cyrcle of hatred continued. Now the story was just a glimps of one, of the revisions of the never ending cyrcle of hatred which at the end resulted in paradise destruction. it just makes me feel what was even the point of me reading this if nothing changed at the end. imagine it like this: you drive on a road (the story before the mabga starts) and now take a turn to the right instead of going straight(the whole story we viewed with eren) and at the end you arive at the same road where you left at the beginning and arrived at the same destination which you would have met even if you didnt take the turn.
All I’ll say: if this does happen, and we get an anime exclusive ending that changes things, then Isayama will really have created one of the best stories period.
Yeah this wont happen
@@bw8450 Likely to, we’re getting a movie and I love it
@@Marvellousdeath115 A movie doesn't mean a new ending, it would most likely be a more fleshed out version of the canon ending, the better option in my opinion.
@@sganarellelevalet7479 to be honest I’m happy with either. I just want aot to get the ending it deserves, not like game of thrones
it is one of the greatest stories period, with the manga ending. It's a good ending. Even if you disagree, that doesn't detract from what Isayama has achieved.
My thoughts are the only way we’re getting an aoe is if Isayama planned to give the manga a different ending to the anime from the very beginning. He wouldn’t do it over negative reception or unpopularity. Either 1) Isayama gave out a fake ending to manga readers so both manga and anime viewers watch the true ending for the first time without getting spoiled, which is insane or 2) they add to the ending without changing the overall message, adding details or filling unanswered questions. Both outcomes give me high hopes, as long as they don’t just leave it as it is, as I was actually fine with the zoomed-out theme but upset with the smaller details.
Exactly my thoughts! I actually liked the Manga ending but just like you said, some things couldve been executed better
isayama actually said that the attack on titan anime is the definitive edition of attack on titan and not the manga unlike other manga that have an anime, so that being said its highly possible that isayama added his ending to the manga to see the reaction and when the time comes we can all see the actual canon ending in the anime
@@Abrax3s i just hope he didnt change the story of the ending with the feedback he got and he better not take inspiration from the shitty ending-haters fanfiction ending.
Yeah maybe he caught wind of cunts who can't resist to ruin the experiences for others, in that sense I'd probably do the same thing as a writer, fake manga ending with true ending dropping simultaneously for everyone
The only problem is that the ending will be in a movie, so some will have to see after others
Whats wrong with the manga ending?
not sure if this is important to the theory, but in the manga, mikasa's scarf is canonically black, and in the anime, we know her scarf is red. In the most recent episode where erens head made contact with zeke and we traverse through his memories, we see a shot of young mikasa with a black scarf instead of a red one.
It's black because it's manga, If the scarf was in a brighter color it would look like yellow or white
@@felorpy Isayama confirmed that canonically it is actually black, if the manga were to be colored like the anime, it would be black specifically
@@Bagelsyup Oh sorry, I didn't know that
@@Bagelsyup Not only based in an interview, you can clearly see it in many covers of the manga. Mikasa's scarf is indeed black.
I was 50/50 on aoe but now that King Bullet is talking about it… okay I’m like 75% on it happening now. I know King Bullet cares about this series as much as us.
Bro it’s gonna happen💯
@@macogottalent112 perhaps
@@adambedenbaugh284 lmao
@@adambedenbaugh284 Shinzo sasegayo
@@JesusLopez-cg2gq cry more …no one cares about your opinion or you say in this😂
I am surely convinced that there will be an aoe. Here are my main three reasons for believing so: one, of course, the most obvious, the beginning of the anime doesn’t start off with “see you later, Eren”, but rather a strange dream. The second reason, episode 5, that weird chubby royal dude was never shown in the manga, or put into simpler terms, never existed in the manga. Finally, in episode 81 the flashback with Eren and Mikasa (the one where he asks Mikasa about her feelings for him) isn’t even there, meaning it is probably going to come up later and that whole scene is going to play out differently. Hoping strong for the aoe! If it doesn’t happen, I am still fine with the original ending. It would just be a better conclusion to the story to have something such as Attack on Requiem.
Edit: There is two more things I have to say - in the opening, toward the end, during the scene where Eren is screaming, you can see titan steam coming from his neck - almost as if he emerged from the Warhammer titan and regrew his head? Second, during the scene where Eren transforms into the founding Titan in episode 80, you can clearly see that he is transforming from the bottom up, as the bones are larger at the bottom and smaller at the top, opposed to the manga which is the complete opposite, having larger bones at the top and smaller bones at the bottom. Hope my friends... Hope!!!
All this Anime Original Ending speculation on the internet honestly just feels like huge copium to me, and while I wish we gotten a different finale than the one we have, I feel it is ultimately the only one we will get.
God I hope this comment ages poorly, please make me look like a clown Isayama and Mappa, please🙏
We’re getting a movie 80 percent likely . Like ema highschool cast said reacting to the ending, if there is another one let’s watch it together. The movie is the sequel
Same we need to message mappa on Twitter so they know alot of fans are disappointed of ending
Huuuuuge copium lol, the ending is good, just half baked. People just can’t understand erens character bc they believed him to be something he isnt
@@gensischosen251 popular opinion is a terrible standard for changing art. Popular opinion changes all the time, and I strongly believe the opinion of AOT's ending will grow to be considerably more positive over time as people grow an appreciation for the artistic integrity of the ending
@Sergio Garzon Parra People give the Tybur vision too much credit. It's pretty easy to foreshadow a random house/random toys and then create a link later in the story, now all of a sudden it's "deep." this is not always the case. Just like in Breaking bad at the beginning of Season 5 when Vince foreshadowed the machine gun, he had absolutely no idea how he was actually going to end the series and had to come up with it later. I'm not saying this is definitely what happened in AOT's case, but it's a strong possibility.
God Dammit, I can't believe a single video got me back into Attack on Titan Ending theories. This is by far the best theory I've heard for (in all honesty) anything.
Your end game theory was so fucking brilliant, I believe in this time-line theory, I think is quite bold to do something like this but it can be easily done, the backlash will be great though
Thanks
Well I believe his endgame theory is basically anr what isayama was going for in tbe manga originally
@@lxfj2128 hopefully
The backlash from the manga readers after 139 and the additional pages was a lot worse than what will happen if we get an AOE.
I think it’ll be universal praise except from those who want Eren to end up with Mikasa.
@@LtColWhiskeyPilot well, Eren didn't end up with anyone. unless Historia's child is Eren's... I hope so....
I mean Isayama has mentioned before the anime is the final version of his story and in an interview he said he wanted the ending to hurt all his readers ska manga aka second timeline and he’s said while playing muv luv he felt hurt and betrayed by the writer after finishing where takeru looses aka second timeline until he played the 3rd timeline he’s doing this shit all over but with aot expect the real ending in anime guys watch
Oh, I want him to hurt us so very, very badly. I want this to be a thing
Break our hearts, Yams. We're offering them to you. Take them and dash them on the ground, grind on them into little pieces with a cruel boot, smear them into the dirt, and piss on them with all the malice you have in your bones, you sadistic genius.
Mikasa being associated with a butterfly could also be a reference to the Butterfly effect, where one tiny change in the past can affect a much bigger thing in the future. A.k.a. Mikasa having a different answer for Erens question changing the fate of the entire world.
Kid Eren was chasing butterfly 😶
As someone who enjoyed the 139 ending, I liked the idea that you have brought up in your video. I would be down if this does happen but I will still keep an open mind as not to be disappointed.
I just reread the manga, on mikasa dream/alternate reality/previous loop she said "see you later" and on first manga chapter eren hear the same thing, but when mikasa kill eren on chapter 138 she didnt say anything, she just kissed him, and on anime first episode we didnt hear anything so now i think its actually gonna happen
My bet is the deviation gonna happen when eren talk to each of them, where armin instead of agreeing with eren, perhaps fight eren influence just like how he did it with zeke previously and tried to save him
Yh the dream is completely different in the anime he wakes himself from the dream in the anime but in the manga mikasa wakes him up
That would mean that Isayama planned all of this since the moment WIT studio started working on Attack on Titan. If that's the case, Isayama is truly levels above other manga writers. I would love that to be the case but I'm not so optimistic.
I AM 100% ON BOARD.
ISAYAMA IS TOO GOOD TO LET EREN BECOME 139.
ANIME ORIGINAL !!!!!
Sped
@@thesnipingspider3852 damn
@@denzelmichigan4688 lmao 🤣
Well, at 2:50, its said that eren let himself be killed and gave up , but i just realised that the lyrics to the new intro say ,,If I lose it all, slip and fall
I will never look away" which may imply that we will get a new ending (this is just my theory, im not saying it will happen)
Been of the belief aoe for a bit now makes perfect sense for the story to end off the story this way from the 3 timelines of the 3 main characters of armin, mikasa, and eren, to erens dream being different in the manga and anime, also the I believe another point of imagery that proves a aoe ending is if you notice in the ed the white pedals eren is standing around and the knife with blood on his hand, it is very similar to the scenery in the akatsuki no resquim mv, where the entity holding the arrow if highly believed to be kid eren seeing the end, in which the ed depicts just that
Perhaps
At the end there you said “death is to quick for Eren, he could suffer a punishment worse!” I remember Erens grandfather tell him “if your truly are healthy you should go back to your family now, your friends and loved ones may not always be there for you and if you take them for granted you will be left with nothing but regret!” (Personally I find that the wises thing Erens grandfather has ever said in the series and I get the meaning) this is something I’m putting my thought on would Eren actually feel regret about every thing he did
I hope this video ages well
Idc at this point my L last time needs to be undone and its all or nothing now
It’s coming . Aot ripped of muv luv, like isayama said and I mean literally watch LightThatIgnitesAll videos on it . The 3 timelines. Some anime only memory shards that we saw in the manga in ch130 (E.g historia eye shard that we only saw in the anime ), which obv suggests the anime is another timeline to the manga . Eren says everything is still ahead in ch130 as we see all his memory shards which suggests some memories that we haven’t seen are still ahead because he’s seeing all the timelines. The black scarf in the trailer. Erens dream in the anime is completely different from the manga. The aot sound director brings up anime original ending in the anime event and erens voice actor is panicking and playing it down. Most importantly join the aoe subreddit
If you looked at the Shinzou sasageyeo op. There is a baby’s hand wrapped in a man’s finger and the lyric says “All these sacrifices for this moment”.
Wasn't that just cute Gerber baby eren's hand and Grisha?
@@sourcesymbiosismetamorphis2228 yes it is but some erehisu are still coping
@@Mickaelasama yeah Erehisus are coping so hard even though it would make the series only worse.
@@saadahmed688 why?
@@wunderpal9206 Because Erehisus is completely irrelevant to the story. Too many shippers were so adamant that Historia and her child were supposed to be a huge plot when in reality they simply forgot that Historia's only a side character whose arch was complete. And her baby was created to keep her safe from titan experiments, that is all.
But we have so many still suffering from, "Pretty girl pregnant, must be MC's baby" disorder.
it’s kinda cool to think of “different outcomes “ irl like in different timelines irl something happened or didn’t, i really love this video and ur voice is so amazing!!!
So does goth Mikasa and nerd Armin showing up in the memory scene in the most recent episode help give this theory hope?
It does
Confirms aot has a multi verse
they were in the manga too so no
@@tylionn Worth noting that in the manga they are very small, the anime actually devoted a large portion of the memory shard scene to them along with the sauna image. I've been wondering for the past week why they gave it so much attention despite it being so tiny in the manga, but you gotta admit this kind of makes sense
@@radonbox6569 nah people are just delusional its not gonna happen
I Noticed that line " If i loose it all outside the wall, i will live to fight another day.." the 1st time i was watching the op.. because i was looking for it..
But this line makes so much sense if AoE is going to happen..
if i loose it all outside the wall - can be interpreted as how eren is going to loose his friends outside the walls.. in AOE
I will live to fight another day - cab be interpreted as Eren will live after loosing his friends and he will fight another DAY as in he's fighting living.. because he regrets his decision that made him loose his friends.. so basically Eren becomes the new reiner... Wishing to die fighting his life..
But I don't want Mikasa Armin and all to die 😭
@@regalxteam4271 you love them too much
Maybe the anime comes right after the manga. So he dies and wakes up back in the loop
I think that would make sense
Dude just the idea of this gives me chills. If he actually planned for aot to be a parallel to muv luv like this all the way back in 2013 when the anime first started airing, then aot will probably become my favorite anime of all time.
Ending ass in my opinion
@@radonbox6569 my god the fucking copium
@@thesnipingspider3852 Lol we have even more evidence now. I'd say there's like a 60% chance of an anime original ending, it makes more sense.
I think the lyrics are "If I lose it all outside the wall, live to die another day" as an instruction to live on, even after he (Eren) dies
Looks like our community keeps growing more and more 😎
I hope there's an anime original ending. Didn't isayama once say that he considers the anime to be the real AOT story? Or am I making that up?
he said it
He also said, "i wanna betray the READERS"
Or did he say "fans" instead of "readers"
@@btchiaintkidding7837 dayum bro it's all more clear
he wanted to betray the READERS
I don't wanna hope anymore. But I keep coming back to this.
Black typically means grief while red is violence, blood, death, danger, etc. I feel this is the strongest evidence of a different ending
I was actually thinking this earlier today ironically lol
The ending of any story is paramount. If Isayama’s story is to be remembered as a masterpiece, even as a good story with a cohesive ending, the finale must change
True but knowing these fart smelling writers like isayama they refuse to admit their endings suck and probably won't change it to protect his ego.
or ppl can just agree to disagree
@@hethen5846 Who cares when it’s purely subjective, no matter how much people like or dislike the ending, it will always be up to their interpretation if it was “good” or not
yeah that final ending kinda ruined AOT for me, i really liked it too. I could careless about the whole 80% . it was a mess.
@@flyingdragoncar4975 that sucks that it did but I personally don’t see how it could completely ruin your view on the story. If you love aot before you still love it even with the ending, kimmda sad how one chapter made you hate the show. Aot is a 9/10 with the ending . Ch1-137 is 10/10 ch138-139 are 6-7/10
Since the end of the manga I always wondered why they made mikasa's ova with parallel lines if they weren't going to use it in the main plot, if the anime ends in the way that eren saw his end of the manga and changes it it would be too epic , but they are only theories, we have to see what happens!
I’d be fine with the Manga ending but I’d love to see the dark ending that Iseyama intended
Well, according to the fandom, the manga ending was the dark one and an ending where Eren kills them is the happy one.
@@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 the fandom is very weird and kind of sick. I keep hearing people saying eren was right to kill humanity because he did it to protect his friends. But that doesn't jive with the story since he did kill a lot of his own people and then lead to humanity coming back and doing genocide right back on what was left of his people behind the walls.
But as OP stated there was suppose to be a even darker end where everyone dies.
same i honestly want to see that ending that got shelved , the one where everyone gets it. I guess we kinda did considering that 20% of humanity get revenge.
@@flyingdragoncar4975 It just doesn’t work that eren left 20% of the outside world alive. That amount of people would still largely outnumber the population of paradise and would likely come together to slaughter the whole island shortly after. Basically eren did nothing and got his kin killed anyways. Once he started the rumbling, he HAD to finish it to ensure the safety of his people.
finally you’ve talked about AOE 🔥🔥
For Manga readers only:
Before ther manga ended, with my friends we had this theory. That Eren was still in Paradis while the rumbling was going. That he was doing the technique of the Warhammer titan while regenerating in Paradis. When Zeke dies, the rumbling would stop, and inmediatly Historia son was born and the power of the beast titan would go to Historia's son (Isayama never used the "when a Titan shifter dies, the power goes to the next Eldian born" card). By this time Eren would have already regenerated, he would walk to Historia son (that we also thought was Eren's son), touch him and the rumbling would continue and everyone die and Eren was successful.
How would the titans powers disappear then, all erens friends would die too. That would leave 2 out of his biggest goals in life unaccomplished. Even his 3rd one to be free would be meaningless cus he would never be free from the guilt of destroying the whole world none of his dearest friends would be there for him either. Even historia didn’t support what he did
@@lilmupp875 the same way he stopped the Titan powers disappeared in the manga ending........and Eren not being "free" from the guilt wouldn't make sense, In the manga he wasn't destroyed with guilt at killing 80% of humanity.....nor were the alliance after the killed Eren.....they grevied and moved on...........in the manga Paradise was not free it was destroyed, Armin did not save Paradise, Everyone died for no reason, Eren killed 80% of humanity for nothing, Titans come back and Eldians are going to be Slaves again......so it's either that or Eren actually does what he sets out to do and save Paradise........
I’ve always hoped this was the case , when I read the manga ending it didn’t feel like isayama’s writing if that makes sense
Okay so after reading shit ton of theories i genuinely 100% believe that AOE is going to happen.
Fellow HopeChads Unite !!!
Is it were you? Is it you who lead me here?
I'm really interested to see what they actually do.
tryna see whats gonna happen too tbh
I think that what you are saying is 100% true for one reason. In season 4 episode 19 "Two Brothers" there is a mayor hint that parallel worlds are a thing. When we get the transition from the battle with Marley to the Paths, Gothkasa and Nerdmin appear.
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In episode 80 is missing a very important panel from the manga.
Spoiler!
Where Eren asks "what am i to you, mikasa?". This line has a big impact in the later chapters, so its missing is a clear indication that the ending might not be the same as the manga's ending
its good u bring this up I was gonna talk about this in my next video
that scene might just be rearranged
No man, it's rearranged lmao
@@daimajin266 Sure? Havent watch the new ep
@@generalscathach6452 so when the scene took place originally you would want the Ymir flashback right into the Marley flashback? That’s dumb. It’ll happen during the freedom scene or the campfire and mikasa just brings it up or something
I think that IF the anime gets an original ending, we should see something in the last episode of part 2 of the final season, that seriously derails the story from the manga timeline.
I think the answer of mikasa will change that will settle things down
I think the tree represents how many titans branched off from Ymir. After the daughters ate Ymir, it shows the tree having three paths branching off of it
and those 3 turned into 9
I think if there is some sort of anime-original alternate timeline it’ll be explored in a movie or an ova. After all, the idea of alternate timelines is originally brought up in the ova in the first place, plus I doubt mappa has the time or manpower to completely change the ending. It’s definitely possible they’ll add or change some details to make the last arc flow better, but they’ll probably keep the board strokes the same, especially when they already have a blueprint right there
7:13
i want to add that when looking at chapter 1 this scene in particular is the only page that has a number which is 13. And if you look further you see the year 845. And in CH 138 Page 45 we see 8:25. Which is the dream Eren woke up from in CH 1 & episode 1 of the Anime. Now I would love for this to be a coincidence but Isayama is a damn genius.
The manga ending is the dark timeline for Paradis seeing as they eventually got destroyed in the end.
The anime could be the timeline were Paradis prospers for years to come at the expense of humanity.
Maybe the kid at end of 139 approaching the founding tree falls in and receives the founding. This could possibly lead to him tapping into Eren’s memories of saving his friends and Paradis. Maybe this is what causes the timeloop and the dream Eren has is from the dark timeline. Im reaching a bit but I think it makes sense.
It just sounds to me that Muv Luv deserves an anime adaptation
Edit: turns out it does
This didn't aged well...
@@2MilyonTM why did something happen?
Muv-Luv got an anime this year, but it was pretty low quality
@@2MilyonTM damn that sucks
Isayama's redemption then
The arc begins now
The Colors Theory returns in the Anime. Pixis remarks RED (Unwilling Accomplice) BLACK(Jaegerist) WHITE(Innocent). Eren's Clothing Brown (young) White (see you later) Black (The Real Enemy) but Mikasa's Scarf from Eren is RED in the anime, no longer black like the manga, Eren is unwilling against genocide but knows what he must do after 2 failed timelines, this applies to Mikasa as well. The songs in Final Season, My War: "Let's start a new life from the darkness
, Until the light reveals the end" (Eren and Mikasa travel alternate realities) "Sinister faces, growing curses...This is my last war" (The Final Timeline), RUMBLING:"I don't want anything, I'm just here to BREAK FREE" and SHOCK: "If there's someone out there, tell the world that I was here, that I had been, that I had lived." The Alpha (Ymir the creator) seeks Omega (Eren destined to end things), to truly achieve freedom by reincarnating her away from the Path's anomaly, via Historia's child. Finally Eren's fate, I have 2 ending theories in mind after He eliminates all enemies and Titans, 1.) then wipes out everyone's memory except His in NO WAY HOME fashion, his punishment is to remember everyone as long as He lives "Akatsuki no Requiem" 2.) He walks one last time in Paradis to welcome a reincarnated Ymir in a free world, and then crumbles into dust after exhaustion from overusing the Founder, as the dawn greets Him "AKUMA NO KO"...only to wake up in AU lol
Eren erasing the sins of the past so future generations can be "free" is genius.
You got a new sub
If Attack on Titan pulls an Evangelion it would be the craziest shit to happen this year
Imo there's one more thing the song "Barricades" (S2 OST) in the last ep (S4 Part 2 Episode 6) i found more interesting that part in the lyrics "You know you had to kill her, kill her!" represents AOE for Eren to kill Mikasa.
I always loved the Theory of Ymir being Historia’s child. Now you are free.
This video somehow gave me so much hopium that I went from only believing 10% that their will be aoe to 75%
Don’t piece yourself for disappointment, the ending can’t and shouldn’t be changed, the only thing that might change is it may be more fleshed out with better pacing. The ending is amazing just please try and change the way you view Eren, he’s not a hero, or a martyr, he’s a man child who is obsessed with his childhood fantasy
@@thechiefscousin if that's what you got from the manga's ending, you completely missed the entire point. That's just embarrassing
@@thechiefscousin Well Isayama talked about a different ending aside from his original idea, which the manga gave us. Plus, if that's how you interpreted Eren in the ending...I could hate him myself and wonder what you read. The last chapter proves you wrong in so many ways, its like you were trying to shit post but couldn't stick the landing with hiding it, that's how see-thorugh it is
@@thechiefscousin he isn’t a man child. He’s a depressed 19 year old that doesn’t want t to die but wants to live in a world with his friends for long lives.
@@vicc6790 the freedom panel where Eren is depicted like a child above the rumbling is to highlight this man child concept (lack of maturity due to him being moral frozen in time essentially). It highlight in plain site that eren is in fact no more morally complex than his childlike self was. And that this immaturity is what enables eren to find a positive emotion in such a terrible deed such as the rumbling
Even though I liked the ending, this alternative reality ending would be epic
While I hope this is true, I have my doubts. That other japanese game story sort of already fits with the 139 chapters we were given. The alternate timeline where Eren and Mikasa run away together, with Eren succumbing to the curse of Ymir seems to lead the to the time loop. At some point when Eren unlocks his future memories using the Attack Titan, he fully realizes that he looped when he was under the tree in chapter 1. This is why he shows Mikasa these memories so she knows that it has to be this way. He achieves his goal of saving Paradis from the world, saving his friends by sacrificing himself, and ending the Ymir titan cycle as well as the time loop. I feel like this almost works, but there were far too few sacrifices made in the end compared to any other part of the story, and it's way too similar to Code Geass. And not done nearly as well as Code Geass to make it worse. There are some things that do point to your theory, specifically in the added manga panels in 139. This either was genius work of Isayama or he's just doubling down on a bad ending, probably the latter unfortunately. Even worse than the original ending, Eren's only real accomplishment is saving his friends and Paradis in the near future. Paradis in the future is completely destroyed, and his grave site seems to have propagated the origin of the founding titan again. So his home is eventually destroyed, and a new titan cycle is probably going to start. I guess it's still better than the alternate timeline in the short term, but the extra panel details just leave you with dissatisfaction, making me wonder if it was really a necessary addition? That's the one similarity I see for an unfinished story like muv luv alternative. Now if Eren is still connected to the origin of the titans and can receive these far in the future memories, may be a far-fetched idea. Like I said earlier, the ending is quite frustrating as it almost does a good job. I'm not one of those fans who wanted to see Eren destroy everyone in his path including his friends, as that's pretty inconsistent with his character, especially looking at some of the flashback scenes that took place during the time skip before the Declaration of War. It was pretty obvious Eren was putting up an act, and he makes it clear before he starts his solo mission that saving his friends is his true goal. I just wish it wasn't dragged out with like tons of plot armored characters not dying, minus Zeke. If the entire alliance, even the marleyans, were safe from the get-go, the entire final battle is pointless, making it bad storytelling. An evil Eren ending still could've been executed better than the one we got , but the last few arcs would need major changes in the foreshadowing and in Eren's development. As it stands now it is pretty clear he was merely pushing his friends away, never planning on putting the main crew in harms way. If Eren had to kill all his friends in another time loop, there would have to be a pretty damn good reason for it.
Maybe eren having a child?
@@tvbroekhuizen6980 there's nothing more important in a man's life than protecting his family, even if it takes killing his friends to do it. Friends come and go but family is forever, plus it would justify eren's actions
This is a stretch, but About That one panel from the exhibition of grisha and Karla holding a baby.
Since we're talking about Lost girls.
In Lost girls
- Mikasa mom had a baby.
-The baby was blonde( showed on the manga, I don't think they showed the baby being born in the ova but didn't fully watch).
- Mikasa mom was also sick ( maybe she dies after the birth, and Karla takes care of the baby, she was present when the baby is born)
- Mikasa mom was knitting something pink ( as showed in the ova)
I know fully well this is a stretch and probably doesn't have a connection.
Its just interesting things I noticed.
Maybe but why wouldn’t mr Ackerman look after his son?
SPOILER WARNING (MAYBE depending if Anime has original ending):
I think it basically means that Mikasa (the butterfly) will die at the hands of Eren, since Eren will most likely complete the rumbling (the foot of a titan trampling the butterfly), the roles are reversed. Eren will kill all his friends. Notice how this fits the AOE. To me it makes a lot of sense. I also think that it will end with Eren showing Mikasa how he really felt through like going into paths or how their life could have turned out. Or it will end with Mikasa dying and Eren confessing his feelings for her when talking to Armin through paths. I might be wrong but I'm hoping for AOE.
This actually gives me a lot of hope, cause I was so sure it wasn’t going to happen. Great video!
The au cast was shown in the paths in the latest episode as well
Big W
*REASONS WHY THERE WON'T BE A ANIME ONLY ENDING*
*MAPPA DON'T WANT TOXIC AOT STANS ATTACKING THEM AFTER THEY DON'T GET THE ENDING THEY FANTASIZE ABOUT*
I would love something like this to happen, but if Mikasa died I would never stop crying
She is dead but not during the rumbling
I hope she does
same
Damn learnt a lot I lowkey agree now
very convincing
Personally I do not like the idea of alternate timelines all the time in certain series as the concept can easily be abused for narrative purposes especially if it is a cosmology with infinite timelines or realities which causes a endless amount of hinted chaos and a infinite amount of bad calamities to happen in the background.
If the author truly goes this route I would prefer he does not abuse the concept in such a way that leads to that amount of meaninglessness where choices do not matter that many series that delve into multiverses do they go crazy and overboard.
When you are dealing with a multiverse you have to be really careful how you make the cosmology less you practically make a eternal chaotic wide world. It is best to tread carefully in these grounds depending on your mindset and intentions within the verse.
I know many verses that did that such as Magi and it practically ruined the experience for me and was quite annoying.
I think it would be like the alternate time lines are perhaps time loops where the memories being projected back are trying to change their past actions to change the outcome?
I really hope they don't change it.
Why?
@@KingBullet123 i liked the ending.. and I especially wanna see Levi killing zeke and his final scene
@@exodrynamix48jt69 I mean the zeke and Levi conclusion can still happen in AOE
based and hopepilled
"i feel that characters who become pawns to the storyline are unattractive"
Grisha Jaegar: "Gee, thanks man."
damn goth mikasa and nerd armin actually are canon cause of this last epi isayama wasnt cappin
Our battle is only getting started. The editors trusted that aot fans will understand why this is added in the end. we hope each viewer understands the truth as the story progresses. -The editors
5:25 ah, no you assumed incorrectly. 100% this question is reffering to the ending theme yuugure no tori from the second season of the anime, specifically isayama's response is discussing the sequence from 1:05 to 1:14 where the titans are seen rising along with the sun in the background. I believe Isayama wanted to pack the visuals of this ending theme with as many references that could be considered 'anime spoilers' that catered to the manga readers at the time who were caught up with the story.
Thank you! The guy that made the video is so deep in copium he didn't notice such an obvious thing.
I can’t lie that was the one thing that got me convinced but now that you said this, yeah it’s major copium. I still think it’s possible for it to happen but I would honestly be satisfied with an ending that’s not rushed and ties up loose ends. I could tell towards the end he was trying to people please, so if he’s going to stick with that ending at least make it so it makes more sense than it did originally in the manga, that’s all I ask for. Because at least then (even though I wouldn’t be particularly fond of it) it won’t have too many glaring issues plot wise and writing wise
Nice.
i hope they making same ending as manga
Mindblowing stuff. I really hope that you are right.
You nailed it finely I found someone who talking about lyrics and explaining how ending could change ❤️❤️❤️ .
Incorrect with the OP quote. It’s “if I lose it all outside the wall, live to die another day.”
It’s being said to someone, not to themselves.
If they die outside the walls, they want someone else to live out thier lives.
I and others were here, believing 100% without doubt that AOE was predestined.
We just kept moving forward, until all our enemies were defeated.
We are free.
I have a lot of feelings about the manga ending. I don't particularly like it, but I also don't dislike it. I just think they've deviated from the original thought process so much, that it's difficult to agree with Eren's choices.
What I will have to say though is that Hange died for nothing. She could have absolutely survived the last encounter if she didn't just rush to her death on purpose.
I'll also just have to pretend that chapter 139.5 just doesn't exist. I refuse to believe that someone enters the same tree, where Ymir got her parasite, just like that. I just won't accept a plot twist there they say a founder must always exist
The lyrics from barricades haunt me.. “you know you have to kill her.. kill her.. my dirty hands they never fade” 😶🌫️
Edit: SPOILER!!!
if anyone has heard anything about the alternate realities and that the anime ending may have a different ending to the manga because of that being an alternate timeline.
Than I’m nervous for those lyrics.
This theory is so good it feels like copium, If the anime goes for such an ending that is literally the most amazing thing ever, a ending that is told through the manga ending and the anime ending is amazing
Eren could’ve easily completed the rumbling. He could’ve taken their free will and gave it back when the rumbling’s complete. Eren’s main character trait is to keep pushing forward, so for him to not want it badly enough to temporarily manipulate his friends memories is weird. He’s already manipulated his friends memories and they would get them back. Isayama said he rushed the ending.
My guy could've altered the Alliance to fucking particles using the Founder's power. Assuming he just wanted to give humanity a "chance to fight back".
Yes it's really unfortunate we don't get to see the founder used to its full potential. We don't see Eren really use any of his powers he's obtained up to this point, even though he's the final big bad. Pretty disappointing, the one thing we got was a short colossal titan Eren.
Eren's main trait is to protect his loved ones and his hate of the ones who took the freedom from others and himself. If he had taken his friends free will, that would have been a contradiction.
@@Pca32227 I think this makes sense, but why Eren puts up a charade to barely fight back does not. He basically says his plan all along was to let himself lose, making the final battle pointless.
@@stkkjj but he didn't let himself lose, he fought them, just allowed them to have free will to fight him back and he lost. Also he just had like 4 years to live anyway, what better way to go than making your friends heroes and your country (paradis) safe for centuries?
Bro imagine the anime ends and once we get passed where Eren dies he suddenly wakes up earlier and the timeline and tells his Dad, "listen to me very carefully, I know how to destroy Marley" or something.
Nope, eren already woke up in anime after dying in manga, he will win in anime, “this is my last war” (from op 6)
@@ELRAROamv he can also die,since it is his last war...
@@elwind1729 yeap, but not waking up again, anime its supposed to be the last timeline where he will “win”.
@@ELRAROamv yep on mikasa dream she said see you later and first manga chapter eren hear the same thing but when mikasa kill eren on chapter 139 she didnt say anything, she just kissed him, and on anime first episode we didnt hear anything
@@Rimanda Good point. This could be a small bait and switch to aoe deep hiden aoe ending.
Am I the only one who liked the manga ending? What I understand about the ending was that Eren made himsef the villain so that the whole world will unite against him. So that Eldians and Marleyans will be united to fight him. So that the Paradis Marleyans could become independent.
Basically, he had to be the villain so that Eldians can be the heroes.
It wasn’t even that
Also Pixis asked even early on into the series “what if humanity had to unite to fight a greater threat?”
Eren said that was too rosey, unrealistic and boring
Its seems pretty intentional Isayama wanted to create an undesirable ending
And then Paradis was nuked.
So much for the discount Lelouch
@@KingBullet123 well what ending would you have wanted? You want Eren to be a good guy all along and that he’s gonna beat the crap out of Marley and he will return home a hero, living happily ever after with mikasa on a farm?
@@icarus6492 not at all
Got a whole ass vid on it dawg
I feel like the only way this could happen is if there is actually a movie released after part 2. If there isn’t one part 2 will end normally with chapter 139
I just want my MF Eren and Mikasa happy ending I dont want anyone to die jeeez.
Same ✋🏼
Lyrics: "If i loose it all outside the wall, i will live to fight another day".
Translation: "If I get killed outside the wall, I'll have to resurrect in the Anime".
HOPE CHADS LETS GOOOO
they have to. if he pulls this off. the fact the manga and the anime can both BE CANON and actually have happened, just one is a reset of the other. is mind blowing. beautiful if this is how it turns out
You mentioned the butterfly and I have a theory.
In the manga, Mikasa kills Eren by cutting his head off like a praying matis.
I think in the anime, she will be the butterfly.
note this also. the ending s4 p2 shows abandoned paradise instead of destroyed ... maybe meaning that eldians left paradise to explore the outside world ?. In ep 2 last week they showed 3 scenes which were not in the manga. an open cage, a black cloth ( which looked like mikasa's scarf . look up the scarf theory ), and then mikasa. Isayama is a scary genius to the point that he would show something that would make manga readers know what he's up to and yet anime watcher's define it as something else ( as in gabi leaving her cage of her own ignorance ) like isayama is 1000 steps ahead .... Im still in shock !!!
yeah, mikasa her scarf is actually black in the manga, it was made red by wit studio for the anime so a AOE is possible
What was the new anime scene with Mikasa?
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi it's a regular scene where she's hiding on the roof not to get shot from the soldiers
See the last panel of chapter 131. We were given where the divergent starts.
I'm convinced by the VAs being cagey about it. People are attached to the "deterministic" part of all of this but determinism also means alternate universes HAVE to exist, because SOMETHING had to start the loop that let Eren motivate Grisha in that moment. Perhaps Eren from another timeline to start that time loop.
It's like in terminator, a man is sent back from the future to protect the mother of a leader of a human resistance against machines from a machine sent to kill her so that their leader would not exist, he impregnates the mother and their son turns out to be the leader of that resistance. How did this happen? That's a paradox. Well, someone had to have sent him back to begin with with a different goal. Or maybe the resistance leader was born to someone else, and was a different person in the original timeline.
What I'm saying is, time loop paradoxes can't just HAPPEN logically, that would be a bonafide plot hole, something has to start these things.
THANK YOU OH MY GOD. Everyone is absolutely convinced the “Eren influencing the past” plot twist is one of the best in fiction but as of today, it still doesn’t make sense. Why was Eren trying to make events that have ALREADY happened take place? There has to be a reason and hopefully the anime ending can shed some light on that.
@@axyria6046 I think it's him trying to change the sort of time loop (I say it's sort of because it is and it isn't with them not going back in time and restarting but more so the memories are projected back) perhaps showing the memories to try and get them to act differently.
I also thought about that the red scarf in the ending "Akuma no ko" is connected to Mikasa, she than changed into a bird and wanted to be free, but failed and died.
Gonna do an Evangelion thing, with time loops. So when the series gets rebooted about 10 years from now, it’s going to have a golden ending that ends all time loops.
Not only of what's shown in this video, but in the 2nd ending of S1 in AOT, in one of the parts you can see a Mantis behind Mikasa. Also something I find intresting is that female Mantis eat their partners, What does this mean? Idfk, that's for the wizards to find out.
she killed eren and cut his head off. Theres ur connection
I don't give any high hopes for aoe even if it makes sense because we just don't know what will happen but yes this theory make sense and overall I can't hold on this way
5:21 - dude they're referring to the ED not the story's ending lol
finaly man i dont have to suffer from sadness at the end of aot
idk man if thats true ill take the ending anyways
People seem to be building up just to be disappointed again. I doubt they are changing the ending. If they do, well, I hope the people that were disappointed are happy with the new one. I was fine with the ending by the way. I get people not liking it, cause I have been disappointed with the ending of other things. One being those shitty last few seasons of Game of Thrones. Attacking the author though, some even going as far as death threat, is down right dumb as fuck.
Yeah they’ll be dissatisfied and disappointed
Hope it happens just hope the theory great nice bro