What If Joker Was The Good Guy
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- Опубликовано: 29 апр 2023
- What If Joker Was The Good Guy
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Sane Joker beating An Angry Batman is not what I expected 🗿
Imagine if the pills were permanent?
@@andresalgueiro9238 Yeah bruh Joker would rule Gotham and beat Batman's ass all over again
To be fair he was injured.
And Angry. People don’t think clearly when they are angry. And angry people make mistakes
I’m not a big fan of this comic, myself🤔
Keep in mind that Batman was on the run, hurt, and exhausted when he fought a fully healthy Joker that canonically is shown to be “faster” than Batman
Hah yeah. IRL, I've seen guys with 50lbs on another guy get surprised by quick well-placed blows.
Still doesnt make sense, Joker has never actually trained this is stupid.
@@youdontknowme5980you dont need to have martial arts training to be able to hit things
@@voidboi2831 Yeah but its unbelievable that he won against someone that has mastered martial arts and trained his body to death, Joker doesn't exercise and isn't trained so he shouldn't have won.
@@youdontknowme5980 i think it’s kind of wrong to say he doesnt exercise at all, he spent most of his time running around placing bombs in purple spandex without getting caught and he doesnt even have a vehicle
Sorta annoying how everything just returns to "normal" at the end of the series, I really enjoyed the "good guy joker" and the effect of the pills "wearing off" felt like a copout to the fact that the good guy Joker would've eventually solved all of Gotham's issues if he wasn't in his Joker state.
I have to agree with you, I wish there was a comic where the sane Joker was permanent instead of it wearing off
Status quo is the worst thing EVER created. It ruins everything, always.
Welcome to American supehero comics
The thing is... If that happens, then you wouldn't buy a comic about Jack Napier waking up, buying the newspaper, discussing with the mayor and then going back to sleep for like 100 chapters.
@@frostfrost8907 Cool, then have some of the old cast focus on places like Blüdhaven or make up another city.
"But what if the good guys were the bad guys, oooOOoooh?!"
This storyline would have been way better without the majorly skewer view for the joker. If this ever did happen, as we've seen batman say in prior comics and cinematics, Batman and Joker would likely have worked together to rehabilitate him, and to help Gotham.
The Best Ending
While I like this story and certainly the art I dislike how heavily everything is skewed in Joker's favor leaving this version of Batman looking more like the villain than he actually was.
True, it feels like Napier was a mastermind villain pulling the strings from behind the scenes this entire story, I'm glad you noticed that
Did you think that might not be the point? It's an inversion ffs.
@@lordadamant8182 No shit. The point is that it doesn't make sense. It's a BAD inversion.
@@inwit594 Exactly, the guy becomes "sane" and then suddenly everyone starts taking the word of a mass murdering psychopath seriously...just like that?As much as I enjoy the joker as a villain the guys plot armor is ridiculous.
Yall forget that this is still the same, manipulative joker that rivals Batman in both hand to hand and in intelect, even if not at the same level; just sane. Of course Joker would be able to make people believe him, despite what he's done. After all, Harley's backstory most of the time is that the Joker just made Harley fall for him with nothing but words, especially in this continuity that takes from the BaS. It stretched a bit, but considering what continuity we're talking about, it's not that unbelievable.
Gordan: "Someone get me a priest."
Batman: "I'm an ordained minister."
Gordan: _"Is there anything you _*_aren't_*_ prepared for-_ Also, *_HOW!?"_*
Batman: "......... internet...."
He stayed at a holiday inn express…lol
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Gordan: "But *_WHY,_* though!?"
Batman: "........... Dracula......."
Gordan: "Know what? Sorry I asked!"
I mean, Joker is certifiably insane, and he never wins against bat-man in hand to hand combat, so to claim that a sane joker can absolutely beat the shit out of bat-man while wearing a literal suit jacket.
Well in fairness Bruce was injured already wasn't he?
@@joshorton9061 batman could be vaporized by thanos weilding the infinity gem and batmans plot armor woupd still keep him alive and make him overpower infinity gem-powered thanos without breaking a sweat
If Joker had H2H training and was very skilled in this verse, it could go his way if Batman would understimate him. Insanity gives you nothing aside ability to remove limiters from your brain. For this self-damaging strength boost you lose your precise motorics and combat-skills.
@@yamatohime2035 that’s a lotta ifs…also since when does being insane give joker a power boost?
@@yamatohime2035 batman is bigger and stronger than him, and has more experience in combat. No 2 month prodigy can beat a 20 year master
There was one comic I saw (I never read it personally, I just saw it covered on a vid something like this) where Bruce travels into the past, some weird shit happens, and he ends up gunning down two people in an alley. He realizes he just shot his own parents, and realizes that the sobbing child was his younger self. His sanity shatters into pebbles, and he becomes the Joker.
That is an interesting timeline to say the least.
The sane Joker beating Batman to a fight fair and square is the closest we ever get to an actual Batman vs. Joker fight and not just Batman fisting on the Joker many times.
Batman fisting on the joker at least makes sense, a few lessons from someone inferior to batman like Harley is not enough to beat him.
@@thephoenix4093 Joker is said, by Batman, to be a very proficient hand to hand fighter. They have traded blows many times and he is very unpredictable. An injured Batman and an uninjured Joker is always a close fight.
@@thephoenix4093 how do you know who trained joker wjen he always lies about his back ground? Joker might had the same training batman did and you cant prove otherwise
@@youtubestudiosucks978 unless you didn't read the comic, you'd know Harley trainer him because it was shown, and he wasn't the joker at the time.
@@thephoenix4093 the joker lies about everythkng all the time and you're stupid enough to believe him because?
Wow I'm happy that someone did give a shot to this awesome and underrated story , that show us another view in the joker and Batman 👌
what jack napier revealed about jason's last words before fleeing really shocked me
Jack Napier would obliterate Injustice Joker and griddy on his grave.
This story is just strange honestly. Like I'm willing to suspend disbelief to a pretty far extent but there's just too many things I can't buy in this. Like the dude has a massive body count, yet suddenly is accepted as a normal guy because he took "normal pills". Accepted enough to be elected a politician? (ok well maybe) but this isn't happening in some other city in America, it's happening in THE city he terrorized and tortured people in dressed as an insane clown. Even if we're supposed to look at it through a symbolic lens, it's still just too absurd. Like maybe with a different villain like Two Face or Penguin it would work. But the Joker? Can't buy it.
Trump got elected and could well get elected again, despite plenty of evidence to demonstrate his monstrous behaviour (i.e. "grab em' by the..." clip). That guy didn't even take "normal pills" and wipe his make-up off. Women voted for him, black people, Latinx folk... You never know the kind of person people are willing to trust when they're desperate, no matter the severity of their crimes, for better - as in this fictional case - or for worse - as in Trump's. Also I think the clip of Batman forcing said "normal pills" down Joker's throat is supposed to do a lot of the legwork vis-a-vis Gothamites re-evaluating their understanding of good and bad in the city, and who perpetuates it vs. who perpetrates it. The one thing the working class (should) hate is a fascist. Batman filmed beating down on an unarmed man who's already restrained whilst the cops watch on - it's a video of essentially police brutality. Joker was many things: a murderer, lunatic, paradoxically idealistic and nihilistic at the same time, a criminal, an abuser, a terrorist, but he wasn't exactly a fascist. I don't think Batman is a fascist in the normal continuity of the comics, but he looks like one here, at the start.
These video clips are getting better and better. Please never stop I’m counting on it
A lot of people are talking about how they didn’t like that the story was skewed in Joker’s favour, making Bruce look like the villain. But I think it’s shown in the story that this version of Batman isn’t as noble as others because Jason simply left him instead of being killed, whereas normally he would be killed believing in the cause and not forgive Batman for essentially letting the Joker get away with it. Him running away shows that Batman could’ve possibly been unhinged before the events of this story
Man's mic quality from two weeks ago to now is night and day
It seemed good but hapving him beat batman in a fair fight made no sence the joker isnt known for being a phisical fighter and yet it has him beat batman!
Batman just had to deal with the loss of a loved one, an entire fight with his whole rogues gallery, and an injury from having entire buildings fall on him.
Meanwhile, we have Jack Napier, in peak condition, and had memories of Joker confronting Batman on multiple occasions. He knows Batman's moves and since they're slower (due to Batman's previous encounters) he is able to counter much more effectively.
This was a battle of alignment. Everything that has happened led up to this moment. Joker won that fight, and Batman lost.
Joker has been a brawler in some versions, but he chose not to fight back just to toy on the Bat's moral code.
@@johngona5929 Their plenty of times where batmans injured even being stabbed, been threw a lot but the joker never just wins in such a manner its just a potrayal happaning here
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Eveven if hes a brawler hes still not a fighter type characters like bane while batmans meant to be a proffessional at the peak of human skill
Ultimately, there always has been a limit of what Batman could do for Gotham. Political reformation was the logical next step. However, Batman was absolutely necessary in the beginning as anyone who would have been willing to step-up to take on the corruption, would have been destroyed by the numerous corrupt elements in Gotham. It would be Batman's protection against these elements which would allow the political reformists to ultimately last long enough to have some effect.
This is probably my best batman timeline I've ever seen/read.
Might be me but this story reads like a fever dream
Tbh, this alternate universe story by Sean Murphy is imo really interesting and might actually be one of my favorites. I love seeing references to other batman titles, look at the batmobiles or joker's cell (that panel is so cool). I also really love the art. I still follow the series to this day, just a few days ago another comic is added to this Murphyverse, "Batman: White Knight Presents - Generation Joker". It might not be perfect but imo this series is one of the most interesting and fun alternate universe story from the black label. Tbh, knowing that this is an Au, it made me feel more invested on the characters' well-being cause the writer can kill a character and make actual impact, like ngl I did become sad when one of the characters died. Seeing the characters age is also like a bonus cause finally they're not stuck on a certain age.
Same here, easily my favorite "What if? / Spin Of" comic. This would be amazing as a movie.
these longer videos are awesome keep it up!
Wow that was awesome
But the joker was never insane he suffers from super-sanity or hyper-sanity he’s so sane that he seems insane to everyone around him
I imagine in a different realm, a variant of The-Joker, his broken mind finally is fully fixed, and he decides to be a carpenter.
Don't like it, severely nerfed the bat to the point of absurdity. Character acts so out of character it's barely the same character, along with some retconning like Jason Todd not dying to humanize Napir. Feels like the "Maleficient" or "Cruella" of batman stories.
White Knight is one of the best Batman comics of all time. Up there with The Dark Knight Returns. Sean Murphy really did an amazing work.
I hope this becomes a movie in the DCU or the Robert Pattinson Batman universe.
I thought White Knight was when Joker "killed" Batman and became sane
To be honest, I've always questioned Batman's methods. To me, it always seemed like he was majorly influenced by Gotham's dark history. I always wondered how Batman would have been if he became a true hero instead of some form of anti-hero. What would happen if he found a way to remove the evil that is at the root of Gotham City. What if Gotham became something like Metropolis? That bright, shiny city that good people are attracted to.
The point of the Batman was to show that hope was possible. The city was politically corrupt and no one believed in it enough to fight for it. Batman was created to give the people hope to change their own city.
The Art and story is amazing, I just really wish Napier Stayed as himself, I feel really bad for him
Batman, The Joker (Sane Napier) and Harleen Quinzel vs (Neo Joker) Harley Quinn.
Considering that this is an alternate DC universe, it’s a possibility that this could happen
This is not what I expected
Storys great but i dont really thing joker is beating batman in a fist fight, let alone most other people.
This a unique story for Batman and the Joker. It give both of them so much character development for a what if story. Is this canon to the main comic book universe?
Was very surprised to see that uninjured Joker/Napier was able to best injured Batman/Bruce on a 1v1. Though I'd guess that if Batman wasn't injured he probably would've won.
Idk what your talking about Alfred was just napping.
Please make this a animated movie
This story is great, but only if you are talking about one of the integrations where the joker never destroyed cities or killed thousands. Notice that batgirl can walk, no red hood, this is obviously one of less violent jokers.
He still tortured Jason Todd for a long time, he just hasn't returned as Red Hood yet.
@@sinenomine2681 I thought this joker was a spinoff, so it's not necessary that he shares the same backstory as the others. Creative license and all that
@@skynotaname2229 Yeah, of course - but I think that's something that has happened in the comic. He talks about it with Batman in the Batmobile, explains why he did it. You can see the panels at 5:00 in to around 5:20. He tortured Jason until he broke and gave up Bruce's identity, saying that he wished he'd never met him, and then Joker lets him go. I don't know if that's exactly how it plays out in the main-universe telling of that story (I don't actually know a great deal about comics at all) but he definitely did torture Jason.
This came first before 3 jokers.. I wonder if 3 jokers got inspiration from the 2 harley quinns
This is basically just Owl Man and Jester then?
Batsman...Batsgirl...Nightswing... Love your content though
If the law worked Gotham wouldn’t have needed a vigilante. The biggest problem was that super-villains were too strong. Not sure how that was anyone’s fault.
Though I get the law is stronger than people in masks.
:){Creí que en este comic Harley Queen mataba a batman y el joker se ponía super depresivo cuando vi la portada de adolescente, me equivoque.
Good video.
What a thing.
honestly? after everything the joker's done sane or not batman has every right to be angry at him bro was at his limit
I made it about halfway through before it got so stupid I just had to stop.
Joker be skinning people alive and when batman trash him he's the villain now?
This is how a comic should be explained not ant attention span less than five minutes.
Terrible inversion.
Wait i thought Joker was the guy who actually accomplished what he was trying to do. Batman is to conflicted too get anything done.
I liked the original comic but the following sequels were not so good.
There are 2 Harleys?
Why couldn't Napier have gotten more pills?
He had plenty of pills. His problem was that he grew a resistance and they helped less and less until they didn't help at all.
What if khalil was good
God I hate DC. Even when they try to make a comic where Joker is the good guy and Batman is the bad guy, they chicken right out and have to make Batman the good guy again.
No. Balls.
Are there 2 different Harley Quinns?
Blecch.
bro, i'm not kidding here but your edit makes me dizzy. it goes from top to bottom too fast and I kid you not, I hallucinate when I pause your video. Everything around me was going top to bottom.
THEY USED THE OLDER BATMOBILES!!!
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I'm easily amused.
White knight???
So Harley Quinn has a sister ?
The second one was a bank teller with serious mental issues, whom Joker mistook for Harley. She decided to become Harley after that, while Harleen did jail time and then just stayed in the background. (She's the one who told Batman where to find Jason and the Joker, and in a conversation at the end, it's revealed that she most likely developed the pills that temporarily cured the Joker.)
white knight dont sound right
lmaao
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This comic was a bit of a stretch. Even for comics.
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I don't think most people in the comments get that this is an Elseworlds story. And I get that Joker has an army of incels who worship him because they want to lash out at society too, the term "White Knight" really bugs them, it implies that Joker is a simp, to be honest I like Joker/Jack taking that name for that very reason.
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So Joker goes from full villain to corrupt politician? I think you need to change your title bud, cause he ain’t even close to being a “good guy” unless you think brainwashing (taking away their free will) villains to make them cause problems for you to look better is a good thing, which is a helluva hot take.
Sorry, but this just comes off as shitty fan fiction to me, since we just conveniently ignore other issues. Actually, now that I think about it, if they would’ve shown the court of owls supporting joker, it could’ve made it work, since they’ve been thwarting Batman’s attempts to make the city better from the inside besides the main villains. I could see them do it out of spite, just because they hate batman and there’s more benefits than cons.
How come you are using AI to voice this man?
He isn't - it's very subtle, but he has an accent that would suggest that English is not his first language. Probably sounds like an AI because his English is so good and his accent is so accurate that those barely perceivable irregularities in intonation and pronunciation sort of put him in the uncanny valley, in a weird way. It's impressive.
P.S. I can't place his accent. I think it's likely Nordic although, to my untrained ear, it could be Slavic. I thought Swedish at first, but I'm not so sure.
damn this comic is so trash 🗿
Joker is a good guy.. ..what you mean what if..
Batsie a rich philanthropist, so he must hate or sleep with that he despises..
God the writing in this story is so bad
Batman bur realistik
If it was realistic batman wouldn't lose
@@charmingmagican9821 ye thats fair
bad shitty writing lol. no way joker can EVER beat batman h2h
The whole conceit of this story sucks and feels like something the surface level "Well why doesn't Batman fund social programs instead????" types would come up with.
(Because he already does. Bruce Wayne does what the Joker did in this comic as a baseline.)