On a side note: I felt like Vision could've played a bigger role in the movie. I understand wanting to reunite with her children, but Vision was her husband.
@@MyManGreen That's what the movie is lacking. Between the time stamp of wandavision and dr strange 2, did wanda and vision(s.w.o.r.d.) not encounter each other in any circumstances at all?
I feel like Stephen having seen America in his dreams through the eyes of the other Strange developed a connection with her by proxy and also experienced the other Strange's guilt when he turned on her and saw the look of betrayal in her eyes, something he could never forget because of his photographic memory. So he wanted to avoid that scenario at all costs, especially since that didn't even work out for the other Strange, ultimately. Wanda was strong enough to defeat him even if he had America's powers, so taking them from her wouldn't solve anything. He needed the book of Vishanti to tell him what the real winning move was since she wouldn't listen to reason and couldn't be beaten. But just as Wanda burned the book of Vishanti, he caught a glimpse of a page with America's star on it, and thanks to that aforementioned photographic memory was able to absorb the information on the page in the few seconds it took for it to burn away, and that's how he realized America was the solution all along. If the audience needed to feel a stronger connection to America, it should've been through flashes of scenes where Defender Strange was interacting with America, which our Strange remembers because he dreamed it. I think another thing to keep in mind here is that Strange isn't without sentiment. Defender Strange may have been willing to kill America to save the multiverse, but he clearly felt bad about it, just like our Strange felt bad for Peter, enough to perform a dangerous spell just to make his life a little easier because he knows he's been through a lot of shit. It's perfectly in-character for Strange to fight for a kid he has no personal connection to with everything he has and only consider killing her as a last resort. Especially since he was shown to be pretty upset about having to break the Hippocratic oath and kill people in the last movie. He also bears the guilt of every consequence of allowing the Snap to happen as well as letting his sister die when they were kids. Just because he's WILLING to sacrifice lives for the greater good doesn't mean he doesn't hate having to and won't go out of his way to avoid it if he can.
I also think the movie lack of 1 scene. Many people complaint about Wanda’s action in this movie is opposite what she learned in wandavision. The movie explained its because of the Darkhold’s corruption, but we did not see it. Maybe they should add scenes that show the dark hold corrupting her, and she did fight back but surrender to it at last. Maybe that addition will justify her action more.
That's what I thought. We nerds noticed it because of the black fingertips, but it wasn't explicit, made she look like a crazy murderer. The whole question the whole movie was "Why didn't she create her boys again like before?"
I mean taking over town for months and then having a 180 change without damaging one psyche…. Yeah people would complain. About that even more. She was the Mai. Gillian in her own show, now she gets to be the best version of that villain in MoM
@@HelloWorld-yn6fx well your first part of using dark hold is correct but it never showed how it corrupted her , i mean yeah like that was showed in the movie
I don't like how Dr Strange was just like "Believe in yourself, America" and all of a sudden she was just able to masterfully use her powers. That was a bit too rushed for me.
Especially considering this was like a 2+ hour movie... We were watching blips of so many different damn story lines that they forgot to write the main story well lol
She was using her powers from almost the first scene. When she kicked the concrete onto the eye monster you see a blue flash and the concrete is cut into a star shape. She was using her powers the whole time.
As you said, movie did lack many scenes according to the director that the original cut was 40 min longer than the final theater cut.. Hope we get those scenes as deleted scenes and we could get to explore more about the plot of strange and everything else we missed about the movie...
Not they will not release a directors cut. It was not a final cut I heard, but an initial cut that many filmmakers go through. We might get a couple deleted scenes but I doubt it. One can always speculate
I think the growth they were going for is based on what Christine said, "you have to he the one holding the knife" so for once he trusted someone else solve the problem. Instead of stealing her power, he guided her to use it herself.
I think Strange not being the Sorcerer Supreme separates him from other versions. He knows there are limitations on what he can do. The multiverse Strange(s) believed they could & would do anything as the Sorcerer Supreme as shown with Evil Strange, Defender Strange and What if Strange.
@@ImWithMe they're all masters of sorcery in other universes, except our regular Strange. Ultimate power costs him his life in every universe, but not 616.
Makes the bow to Wong at the end more significant. Strange might be a stronger sorcerer but he’s slowly learning that it’s okay if other people get to solve problems and take responsibility.
You made a good point about America, but I think the same thing goes for Wanda, she played a bigger role than strange did in the movie, and it's called Dr. Strange. Also, the illuminati died too fast. The fight between them and Wanda should've been longer. I also have a problem with captain Carter lasting longer in the fight than Reed and blackbolt.
The movie ain't gud as i expected it would be. And also on the other hand look at the the other doctor strange who had powers of "the dark hole" being knocked out and killed just as simple as it can be. And the acting isn't quite well this time like i don't get the feeling of them being serious .This movie isn't Perfectly made up. It's like a beta version of it that needs more improvement more story plots more Logic behind those events. This isn't how i wanted to view and visualize doctor strange. Agree?
I think the length of the movie is less and in this time they introduced illuminati and killed them in 15 minutes 😀 also I expected the illuminati will punish Dr strange for causes of no way home nothing happened. Btw it's still a marvel class movie
that happens in every team up battle. they always avoid Peggy or cap because the others are so powerful. then they get to sneak up and do a little damage but realistically they would be worthless in a fight like that.
honestly, i care about our stephen strange because of his sarcasm, and the fact that he’s the first strange we’ve ever known. edit: y’all i know that’s what he said and i’m sorry about the misspelling. on another note, thx for a lot of likes, it’s literally been 6 hours
A key part that is missed out is that Dr Strange was in Spider-Man No Way Home for a reason. He saw how Spider-Man did everything he could to help the villains he met just a day ago. This is an integral part of Dr Strange's arc which carries on in this movie. He has forgotten Peter like everyone else, but remains inspired by his doings.
@@antoniojurjevic2974 That's exactly what he said lol. "He has forgotten Peter like everyone else." You tried to make correction as if Dr. Strange can go ask for Spiderman to help him stop Wanda. He can't ask Spiderman because even though he remembers Spiderman, he doesn't know who's behind the mask, and Strange lost track of his location. Spiderman is alone now.
@@UltimateQball he edited the comment few days ago it said Spiderman not Peter you can also see in other replies that people told him that he forgot Peter
Green Goblin once said, "The one thing they love more than a hero is to see him fail, fall, die trying." That's what you're trying to say here, which could've made it better. Goblin was not wrong.
I see where you're coming from, however, I feel that we actually did see a lot of doctor strange's personal journey within this film. the message that I took away from the film was that no one can truley succeed without the help of others. Our strange, as well as the multiversal strange characters, have constantly attempted to "go it alone" as professor X would say. This attempt to always be in control, to always be "the one holding the knife" has cost strange christine. you say that it woudlve been better to threaten christine to get a more personal fight between wanda and strange, when the personal fght for her was already happening between strange and his past mistakes of never letting anyone in. Of never letting her in. In this film strange has gone through the personal journey of learning to give up control. To face his fears and put his trust in others. something he was never able to do with christine.
MoM's only real flaws are that Defender Strange somehow undergoes several months of decay in one day and the main Strange doesn't respond to Sinister Strange's offer to give him the Darkhold in exchange for Christine with "What are you? The Phantom of the Opera?"
Regarding the rate of decay, I though that at first, but if you remember the shot after Defender Strange’s leg was injured, you can see the accelerated necrotizing of the flesh around the wound. I can’t give an exact reason (magic wounds get infected quickly?), but they at least show us that the decay from the injury spreads quickly.
What you're saying makes sense. I want to see the deleted scenes now. Is it possible Dr. Strange equated saving America with saving his sister from drowning? We only got a small fragment of that memory but no clue if that was the missing segment.
I would of loved to see a scene where doctor strange saves america from drowning, and it flashes back and forth showing younger doctor strange trying to save his sister.. the scene ends with his sister drowning but then shows Strange pulling america out of the water.
Completely agree with all your statements. I came out of watching the film feeling that something was missing. I thought the plot was a bit simple and in the end it was lacking, but your video helped me figure it out. I felt like the movie was made more to introduce new characters and plot-points for Marvel's new phase rather than to make an actual movie. Looking forward to your next Dr. Strange breakthrough!
Honestly I had more issues than what he mention (for example imo the camera angles were like that of a rookie and the mericas acting again imo were trash like a Disney actor)
Personal opinion... "Dr. Strange What If episode" would've been a better script for Dr. Strange 2. They would have found a clever way to include Wanda. But emulating The Canadian lads opinion on wanting to see more of Strange than America, I definitely think the what if episode hit harder & did more for Strange's character.
@@vaibhavmehta868 Yup Supreme Strange better than Sinister Strange lol, in the movies. Also, I wasn't getting pure evil vibes from Sinister Strange either. He had similar story to Supreme Strange where they wanted Christine Palmer. This is the exact mentality that Wanda had, until she came back to her senses.
For me the biggest flaw of many marvel movies is that they nerf the characters too much. The one fight scene we got between our strange and Wanda is him trying to hit her with snakes…like, REALLY?
I totally agree with you, I wonder if the 40 minutes deleted scenes would make it a masterpiece like you said. I know this will never happen but I do hope they will release the director's cut version.
Yes, i enjoyed it alough, and i think Doctor Strange did not wanted Wanda Witch to become more powerfull, so he tried to stop that. The passing was good, ok. I think Doctor Strange did connect to save yet an other person.
There is a mcu chronological fan made version, where every scene of the mcu are cut and put back and chronological order. With almost 170 cut scenes. Look up for Dirty30, you can download it for free, 32 movies so far (disney+ shows included). Mark18 now including the eternals. Mark 19 coming out soin with no way home, and i guess mark 20 with dr strange. But it's usually 4-5 month after the movies is out in theaters. The guy is doing an incredible job!
Even though Strange doesn't remember Peter Parker, his interaction with him changed his heart in a fundamental way that still holds true. America triggered a similar response that even Strange didn't understand, you can see it in the scene when she hugs him.
Thought the same thing, this is the follow up to No Way Home that sets up why this Strange is different from all the others we see in this film, why America trusts him. Did we forget why Strange helped Peter in the first place, how proud he was when he came back from the mirror dimension to find out Peter found an alternative way to help the villains that he said the same line about; eg. Their sacrifice is infinitely more important in the grand calculus of the multiverse. Peter is the becaon of hope in the MCU, he will never sacrifice anyone, he never uses the "ends justify the means" aproach. Strange may not know Peter, but he knows Spiderman. He knows he helped Spiderman, those events didn't get erase, they're just modified memories. The growth and experience he had is the same. Strange is constantly reminded and challenged throughout the film on his ideals, about being the man holding the knife. Asked if he's really happy. That the decision he made in Infinity War was another sacrifice he justified as the only way to succeed, a sacrifice he knew would lose Tony, to save half the universe in the long run. He didn't think about the consequences that would cause to the people who got snapped or the people who weren't snapped. He thought, the ends justify the means, as did the Strange who used the Dark Hold to beat Thanos.
That's actually a really good point. It explains why he visibly restrained his frustration with her in one of the later scenes. Thinking back, I'm surprised he didn't say "you're just a kid" to her in that moment, which was good, because it meant he had already learnt to try and be more tolerant rather than using her a a Peter surrogate.
agreed to you and to both commenters under this thread! but once again id like to have seen this development a little more explicitly in the film- doesnt have to be through dialogue or even a fully fleshed out scene; this is film after all. even something similar to a shot focused on communicating these emotions would have worked (eg; a close up of America through Stephens eyes). i dont know, it could have been better. doesnt mean its not there though!
I agree with a lot of what you've mentioned here, for example, I felt that America really needed more scenes before she met 616 Dr Strange. Nothing as elaborate her first scene, just a few short ones to show that she met more than one Strange, showing the pattern of (what she saw as) betrayal from each one, but also showing how and why she trusted each one in spite of the "betrayals". That would've better shown why she was so easy to allow her to trust, but it would also show how frequently that bond would've subconsciously developed due to the dreams=multiverse windows plot point. However, I don't agree with your take on Strange discovering Wanda was the one after America being too soon. When it clicked for him in the film, I literally relax with the relief of knowing that it wasn't going to get drawn out to the end of the first act. However, I recognise there there are two reasons for me feeling that way. 1) Encountered too many rumours revealing that she was the villain, 2) The conversation between Strange and Wong _before_ he went to visit Wanda telegraphed that this was the case. While I suspect I would've been slower on the uptake had Wanda's role in the film hadn't been spoilt for me over a year ago, I can't deny that I was so happy that it wasn't a "secret baddie, who is it?" story for over 30 minutes. In a more direct defense of what came after the reveal, it allowed the film to focus very quickly on showing us why Wanda was to be feared instead of sending more minions while she feigned ignorance, which is turn would have risked making her a less sympathetic antagonist and potentially ruining her character arc which was the strongest arc in the film. While I agree that Strange needed more attention, I disagree that it should come at the risk of Wanda's story. As for the Illuminati, the issue there is that they came out of no where. The concept of that collective needed to exist outside of this film (I know it exists in the Comics, that's not what the film needed though). 'What If...' would've been a great location for them before this film. It wouldn't have to be the same Illuminati, it wouldn't have to exist in "our" universe, but they need to have better establishment for non-comic book readers. I like how Wanda dealt with them, I wouldn't change that, but it was too obvious that they would lose, because we've never seen those versions of those characters do anything, and the film already showed that different versions of a superhero can end up being very different in almost every aspect of their being. Other than that, film was good. Could've done with Christine *not* delivering a 90's action film one-liner when she incinerated those ghouls. That was a real face palm moment that reminded me why I am never relaxed when watching a Raimi film. Great director, but he struggles to keep away from the cheese.
I disagree with your Illuminati take. If they put every single idea inside the What If episodes, then everything is going to be spoiled when these movies occurs. Also, they don't need to show all of those events again leading into the defeat of Thanos, because we can put the pieces together ourselves, based on what we saw with Universe 616. What If and Loki taught us that we can fill in the gaps for events we've already seen, up until the point things steered away. They told us what happened differently on that Universe 838. We technically already seen a good chunk of it played out, up until the point where Dr. Strange did his own thing and read the DarkHold and later wanted Illuminati to kill him off. And they showed us that scene. MCU is clever asf. We already seen the other stuff played out.
While I do agree with you, there is one detail that I found that changes everything. When the book of vishanti is destroyed, a single page flies out and on in we see America Chavez’s star on the page suggesting that she is what the book created to be the single thing to help doctor strange, the reader, to beat his foe. Meaning that’s the reason he realized she was the key to it all and that’s why he told her what he did in the end.
I feel like one of the things that ultimately affected this movie was this: people love Wanda. She's a very established and beloved character that even has her own Disney plus show, so of course her main victims would be lesser known characters that we, as an audience are "willing to lose", she's the antagonist, but Disney doesn't want us to end up going against her, not only for the sake of an understandable villain, but also because they have other things weighing in on people still liking her.
I feel that Captain Carter was killed so we could hate Wanda a bit but not too much, like, she was a beloved character, not at the level Wanda, Wong or Steven are, but definitely more than any other iluminatti
Honesty Dr strange fans should be hating this movie bcuz this movie nowhere shows that this movie is actually about strange , he isn't focused character, story isn't revolved around him and he doesn't even beat main villains instead it felt like movie was only named doctor strange so they can give a whole story arc to Wanda and chavez through him , cuz their solo movie wouldn't have been as successful as doctor strange name on the title .
@@sugc3209 i do like the movie cuz this was my first movie in a few years but i do hate some parts especially the part when strange was teaching chavez
@@gibb_dogg yeah but can you imagine if in Ragnarok Thor was just a plot device to make a whole movie story arc about hulk , Thor fans would have lose their mind if story was revolved around hulk and Thor was just a plot device in his own freaking movie.
I have a theory on why Strange cared so much about America... Remember Donna, Strange said Donna Fell through ice. And he said that he tried everything to save her (or something like that). But my theory is that America reminds Strange about Donna, plus America's portal on the outside looks like ice, and he dreamed of her falling through her portal, as soon as she goes through it, Strange wakes up. As he thought that that was a nightmare of Donna drowning. And Strange tries to protect her for the rest of the film.
If it is true, should have established this connection visually rather than foreshadowed dialogues,it could have helped to connect emotionally to the plot and characters.
I think the focus WAS on strange. It was a story of how everything was telling him to take her powers and kill her. It would have been WAY easier if he listened to his dreams and took her power as soon as he realized the danger. By the end he realizes he doesn't NEED to be the one "holding the knife" because he's learning to trust and rely on others, which he hasn't done much in the mcu before. Even in infinity war, with Tony taking the lead, strange was in the background manipulating Tony and time
I agree with why we care about our Strange, I believe he remembered the feelings associated with Peter/Spidey even if he didn't remember who Spiderman was. He does also remember America being betrayed by the Strange in his "dream" . It does bother me zombie Strange doesn't have any facial hair when Defender Strange did, still had pieces of his face that would have and ofcourse the ponytail lol.
Let's be real, the amount of cameos didn't really negatively affect most of us. Some things just lacked and weren't perfectly executed. It was a really good movie but not crazy good or perfect.
Honestly I just don't like how Wanda killed two of the Illuminati and then instead of actually reacting to their closest friends dying right in front of them in a brutal way, Captain Carter and Captain Marvel just glanced at each other and then kept fighting. It really took away from that.
I really do hope someone from Marvel watches this video and reads some of the comments because there are some great ideas that can be used to improve future movies even more. And the fact that Marvel listens to us and tries their hardest to give us what we want is amazing and for me is a big reason on why they became so successfull.
I kind of like how Strange cares for America. It shows how his failed relationship with Christine and being somewhat forced to sacrifice Tony affected him. I think it connects with the are you happy plotline. It shows how his decisions affect him personally even though he knows its the right choice. He's a tragic character because he's constantly forced to make the hard decisions. And now without a world to save. His feelings are catching up with him. Also, when will we get a BW breakdown?
This Canadian lad is not just a Marvel fan who goes around making videos on it and making fan theories, this guy actually understands movies and is really great movie critic actually. It's probably the best review of this movie I have seen on the internet and the whole review kind of makes sense. Great video mate, keep going.
I agree that Scarlet Witch's character was well written. It felt like a Scarlet Witch movie. I mean like he mentions Dr Strange's story was underwhelming - his relations, powers etc. Many people think that there should have been more of Christine and Strange but I believe if Strange developed a guardian arc with America, that would have also been good. My biggest problem with the film is that it is Wanda's paradise. What I mean is that she is so powerful that she is getting everything she wants and is even stopped by only herself. I think that Strange should have had a bigger role in the final battle and he should have been the one to bring Wanda down to her knees (After all it was his movie). Lastly, even though I liked it, Strange using Darkhold to dreamwalk came out of nowhere. In the entire movie he was chasing the Book of Vishanti and suddenly focus is changed to Darkhold I still think the movie is good but not what I wanted 8/10
Strange had to dreamwalk using the darkhold because there was no other way to go to the main universe....The book of vishanti you are talking about was destroyed by Wanda, in the scene they found it. It burned to ashes....
Strange had to dreamwalk using the darkhold because there was no other way to go to the main universe....The book of vishanti you are talking about was destroyed by Wanda, in the scene they found it. It burned to ashes....
It should have been "Wanda Maximoff and dr Strange in the multiverse of madness" I am a dad and can relate better to succumbing to madness when protecting my family, rather than the multiverse. It`s more relatable. Strange`s arc was well written. But the entire time, he was a plot device. I kept expecting the movie to explain, how the psychosis happens, when she as the most powerful character, who knows "the rules" doesen`t know, what the audience knows all the time, that in that parralell universe, is also a parallel version of herself, who is the mother of Billy and Tommy. I think, the scene that would have made the movie perfect, is if the Darkhold had deluded her into seeing that her parallel self died, when she actually didn`t. When reading the interviews with Elizabeth Olsen, it`s clear, that she was reluctant to agree to do it, because they reduced and dumbed down her character, who she cares about to just "she had psychosis" but then agreed, when they convinced her, and probably offered money. She made it work by acting the hell out of it. But the interesting word in the title was "madness" it was Wanda`s madness, that wasn`t explored more than just, "a crazy woman". Missed opportunity.
The writers said Dr Strange would be in his strongest form , but that was a lie . I thought he would have some moves in his sleeves , like in the comics he went toe to toe with Wanda , but it didn't happen that way
Something to take into account is that the events of NWH for Strange go beyond him being willing to to the villains die, because he also saw Spider-man find another way by curing the villains before sending them back. He saw the kid he underestimated prove him wrong by changing their fates, by saving the villains as well as making the sacrifice that saved the multiverse. Also, there's a difference between letting someone die and killing them yourself. Just because Strange was willing to let Tony and Peter die for the time stone (which is debatable if he truly meant it at the time) doesn't mean he'd be willing to kill Chavez himself. I believe it's consistent to his character and growth as we've seen it to not automatically be willing to murder a child, even if it meant immediately securing the multiverse's safety (especially if there's another way)
Doctor Strange 1 had that powerful line about him having sworn an oath not to kill. He saves people. While he does lose himself in the bigger picture, at his core he is a moral character. Killing an innocent child when there is any alternative at all is not his style. It's not like Infinity War, it is not like No Way Home. This was a personal proving ground for him after what he learned from all his previous adventures in the MCU.
Yeah people i guess fitting in with the movie people seem to forget strange was part of no way home and saw the Peters do what strange thought was impossible by saving the villain before sending them home
I’m grateful a discussion can be had about this, instead of just feeling like they can’t make improvements. I agree with some of what was stated in the video, but the whole “first act dislike, third act like” thing is pretty common. It was good to see something else. In my opinion.
It's called character growth. Steven has grown as a character to change from his cold, heartless calculating of what he considers to be the greater good to understanding that it is equally important (if not more important) to do things the most right way possible rather than trying for a mathematically-equitable result. That means that it's not just saving the world but also how you save the world that really matters. That's the lesson that Peter tried to teach him in No Way Home. In the 3rd Spider-Man installment, Steven was satisfied with sending the villains back to their respective timelines despite knowing that they will promptly he killed in order to save his own timeline. But it took the willingness of a teenager from Queens to show him that there is significantly more to being a hero. That's why Steven cared about the wellbeing of an innocent teenage girl whom he had just recently met. That's why he was willing to gamble on her rather than sacrifice her just because the math works out. And that's why we care about our Steven Strange so much more than his variants. He's the only one who is willing to care when every other Steven shown was focused solely on the "grand calculus." Does that answer your question?
I get what you're saying, but to me it just makes sense that he is not willing to sacrifice more people. It is a part of his development, and now, as he does not have the time stone he cannot be sure about what decision to make. I think this is the development we are getting. I get it that he is cold and calculates everything, but it makes everything more personal to the audience if the gets attached to people.
But the thing is, why would he save her at the cost of possibly trillions of lives. He met her a day ago, and cares for her more than the universe?? Had it been Christine, Wong or even Peter Parker, it would have kinda made sense.
@@mycricketingworld5328 What else is he supposed to do tho? He can't just kill her in cold blood that would be crazy. In both scenarios (caring for her or caring for the multiverse) he would need to keep Chavez away from Wanda. I don't see how this changes anything from the movie besides a couple lines of dialogue.
@@mycricketingworld5328 this was already covered in no way home. He was ready to kill the entire sinister 5 with no hesitation. Peter made him understand you have to at least try. do you guys not watch all the movies?
@@Omar-cm5pb and most important of all, Peter regained the respect of Strange by, without even blinking, suggesting to redo the spell. Strange may have forgotten who he is, but subconsciously... that was the vibes I got while I watched the film.
You said, “It felt weird that our Stephen who was literally ready to sacrifice Tony or Peter if it meant saving the universe, now all of a sudden cares about a kid he only met yesterday.” It’s been several years since he said that. It’s part of his character arc. He’s grown since then, as a person. This film demonstrates by the end how he’s become less arrogant and selfish, and more selfless and trusting in his peers. The whole point of this story is planted when Nick asked him if his choices in Infinity War was really the only way. Making him wonder if the choices he’s made were really the right ones. Then the film drives that point home when Christine says, “You always have to be the one holding the knife.” He always had to be the one in control, he always thought his hands were the most capable. In the end he comes to a realization, and instead of taking America’s powers and controlling the situation, he hands off the knife. He trusts in her to do what needs to be done. Anyways, It’s not that he suddenly cares about a kid he met yesterday. It’s that he’s grown as a character. * * * My only real complaint after seeing the film is that we missed out on what could have been the most epic fight ever to grace the MCU. Dr Strange vs. Wanda should have been in the third act. They still could have had the ending of the story play out the same way. Strange could’ve been defeated by Wanda and then we could have got the scene with Strange handing the responsibility to America and letting her do her thing. But I was just REALLY missing that fight scene we were straight up robbed of.
And in the end when America takes her to 838 Wanda we could have got another fight Wanda vs Wanda than 838 Wanda gets defeated than her kids say something that made her realise that she is wrong
The most badass and epic fight could've doctor strange had harnessed the power of book of vishanti vs scarlet witch now that would have easily made it the best fight there has ever been in the MCU, but vishanti was treated the absolute worst, it was the most disgusting part of the movie to not show the most legendry battle after strange harness the power becomes a godly being shutting Wanda down for good but i know that would've defeated the purpose of America's power but it's not that she did all much of an impact with her powers anyways than freeing Wanda from the corrupting by showing her kids are fine, but at least it by showing that battle the movie would have received much more love than it did due to that legendry fight but welp what a let down
@@casady2738 I agree. I was pretty confused in the theatre. The book of vishanti seemed like a dud. It just made a little “poof” and showed a star. Which I guess made Stephen realize what he really needed in that moment was America. But she didn’t really do much other than just open a portal to a place our Wanda had already been. That felt a little cheap to me honestly. Still a fun movie though, and I still enjoyed it a ton.
I mean, I get what you’re saying about Stephen not getting full spotlights, but assuming that America returns in later movies, she’s basically the black widow from the iron man movies and I don’t think anyone had a problem with that. I personally think this is a great way to introduce her into the mcu. I think Strange shouldn’t have the powers to cross universes, or at least not yet and him not taking the powers shows that he does trust someone else, which doesn’t happen a lot with his arrogance and shows how much his heart has grown in both the spiderman and his own movie. So overal, I think this movie was great. Remember that this phase is all about introducing new characters and a new plot to follow up since the infinity saga has ended
I think the reason he chooses to save her is because he fully believes that she can control her powers. It was shown in her memories that she can't control her powers because when she found out she had them, she ended up sending her parents to another universe. It is reasonable to think that reassuring her and giving her confidence will make it possible for her to control it. I think that if he had no other option, if he believed that she wouldn't be able to control her ability, then he would have taken her powers in the end. In other words, in the movie it feels to me that, it is not that he isn't willing to make the hard choices, but rather he no longer takes the easy way out. Because taking her powers from her IS taking the easy way out. TLDR: He would have made the decision if he had to, but he didn't think he had to in that situation.
I see your points, I think you are missing a huge character development moment with Dr. Stange. As Christine says, he always has to be the one holding the knife. So instead of trying to take America's powers (like the other version of himself did) or some other work around to allow Stange to defeat Wanda, we get Stange growing as a person and giving up the metaphorical knife. Letting America take the lead was a move we have never seen from Stange. I believe it really shows how he has changed and grown as a person. Love the content as always! -a fellow Canadian
no.. he has given the knife before in infinite war. one chance given to iron man and the others. no progression in strange stroy arc. pointless its a clear prop up for america who cares.
@@bradastra6111 I disagree. In M.O.M. they even hint that there might have been other options for Stange in Infiniti War/End Game. The Dr. did what he did to get the outcome he wanted regarding Thanos and the snap. (I'm guessing Christine factored into the decision more than we know) In M.O.M. Stange let's America face the threat alone not really knowing how it would turn out. (Unlike Infiniti War where he knew the likey outcome)
@@masterb736 the outcome in endgame wasn't certain. We even watch in endgame strange pointing to iron man saying 1 chance. He gave iron man his trust, he depended on iron man decision on what to do.
@@bradastra6111 He did what he had to do to insure the outcome that he saw when he looked at all of the possibilities. And he, and only he, made the choice to set certain events into motion to achieve the outcome that he most desired. And he got his wish. We know Stange is not above lies to get what he wants. I'm sure some of what you are saying is true, that Stange did trust Tony and others. But he trusted them to do something that he knew was a possibility. With America, he had no idea if it would work.
actually this is a very good point! i didnt actually catch onto this while watching- maybe it could have been suggested better? either way, every scene with Strange and Christine together was fantastic. sparks flying everywhere
Have to take into consideration the movie begins he was facing heartbreak. He really wanted to tell Christine his feelings. In a way, the movie plays out with the theme. We have to realize our own personal feelings can do more harm than good. In a way, have to look at the different versions of Stephen. They realistically taught him something. Because he was willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve a goal. Ultimately, he saw a reversal. He saw himself nearly sacrifice someone and die. Then saw a version, that despite being portrayed as this hero. Ultimately sacrificed an entire universe and died. The last one was showing Stephen unchecked and completely corrupted. While there was only one American Chavez. There were 3 deaths of Stephen Strange. It’s really coming to terms with his internal struggles with his feelings. In the same way you’d see Wanda. She starts off dreaming. She then dreamwalks and is portrayed as a monster. But there’s that sentimental attachment to the kids. To which not exactly realizing the monster she’s becoming. Not until she’s given what she wants and sees the pain caused. She really didn’t let the pain of losing Vision and the kids go. It was meant to be a nice send off. But in reality. We sometimes let those feelings stay in and eat away at ourselves.
Thank you for this comment, I didn’t see it this way, so you brought a new perspective. Having said that, I completely agree with your take on Wanda and we can feel it too. Why though? Because we’ve been seeing her suffer since Age of Ultron! And then an entire show was made about her. So we literally got to see everything visually, it wasn’t something that happened offscreen. But if you notice in case of Doctor Strange, they’re mostly offscreen and the audience kind of have to catch on it. My question is, why not visually show it instead of passing that information through a few dialogues? Why not show us how much Stephen struggles to get a good night’s sleep? That doesn’t connect well with majority of the audience.
@@TheCanadianLad Agreed! This movie should've revolved more around Stephen than it did. @Luke, Thanks to you too, for making me see this perspective I never thought of earlier.
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking about this 3 strange theory. Also during the defender strange fight in the beginning, I kind of figured out that our strange would stop using "it's the only way" or "there was no other way" in the end and actually contradict himself to choose another way. Can't understand MCU's lust for portals though. Tesseract, bifrost, space stone, sling rings and now an entire superhero whose power and job seem to be to open portals. Then there is Charlize Theron in the post credit.
For me the end of the movie was actually the greatest development for Strange, since we were told through the entire movie that Strange is someone who NEEDS to be on control. So in the end, when he gave the control of the situation for Chaves to fix everything, it was an awesome way to show us how much he evolved and understood that he CAN'T always control everything. Ps: English is not my first language.
I always love when they develop a character further, especially one I'm already in love with, like Dr. Strange. Take Thor: Ragnarok for example. Thor as a character had no depth before that movie, and that was why I loved Thor: Ragnarok so much. Dr. Strange had depth, but was, and in many ways still is, very arrogant. That scene, now that you mention it, does show that Strange can set aside his arrogance for the greater good, which I love to see. P.S. As I often say, language is not about perfection, its about understanding. Don't worry about being perfect with a language, especially English in particular. Even those with English as their first language, like myself, struggle at times.
No, although dis scene showed how dr stranges character arc improved throughout the films, we still did not get a single glimpse of what dr strange is capable of.
I agree, kinda like how Tony grew as a character (Tony being a narcissistic man of science and Dr. Strange being a narcissistic man of Magic) from being self centered to ending his arc being self less by using his life to use the stones. For this one, it's as you say. Strange realized he can't fix everything himself.
5:28 Dude, that was the point. "You are always the one wielding the scalpel" it's called character development, and it's not a bad thing. Ironically, América gaining spotlight is still talking about Strange. Also, I wouldn't say that we were supoosed to mourn the Illuminati, maybe Xavier but I doubt it. I think those scenes are directed so we are AFRAID of Wanda, how she won't stop for nothing, how corrupted she is by the book and his own greef. At that point people are just instruments for her, she turned a village into NPCs, the book took that to the next level where she will kill mercylessly anyone in her way.
In fact, I find interesting that the video said that we couldn't care about America (because you always need a previous film to care about a character, I guess that's why saving private Ryan is seen as the worst movie of all time, they should have introduced the characters in a previous film) yet you don't like that they tease us with the Illuminati serving as a tool to show Wanda's lack of mercy AND showing us that we may have a F4 film in another universe played by Krasinski. I know it's not the same because it wouldn't be the same Reed and we didn't get to know more than the fact that he exists before dying, but still, I think it makes perfect sense in the context of the MCU
But I think what he's trying to say that the Illuminati dying did not really serve that purpose because we just got to know them. I personally didn't care that much for their deaths because I was like three characters were on screen for a minute and now they're dead.. Ok whatever. They'd probably counted on too much reliance on the comics and previous movies etc.
9:04 I think they did a good job with Peggy’s death cuz we know her from “What If?” And from the Captain America series so her death was much sadder than the others Illuminati members. Also she literally got sliced in half with the shield
I just wanted to give my theory. When Dr Strange first met Chavez, he asked if he already knew her and his reactions were like if he already knew her but couldn't remember all the stuff. Maybe all the versions of Strange are connected to each other and that's why he felt the same emotions for Chavez as Defender Strange did and tried to protect her. Just my opinion though.
Not an opinion, it's a Fact. This is was they was educating us ever since What If and Loki. They all have similar lives, up to a turning point. Also, they have a sense of awareness, when they see another variant of themselves. Universe 616 Strange looked like he was going to take the same path as Sinister Strange, since he too lied to Christine Palmer about being happy, at the wedding even though he's not since she's marrying someone else. Its just that our Strange was then sidetracked by tentacle monster and he had to save the world.
Not at all. Calling it fanservice when it did such controversial things with her character is just shortsighted. Half the people were mad about her portrayal, so it cannot be fanservice. They took major risks with her. And just because the _antagonist of the movie_ got a lot of screentime doesnt make this less of a Doctor Strange movie. Wanda brought stakes and emotional turmoil to the movie, while Strange is the glue the keeps it together and changes the most during it.
Fan service has nothing to do w controversial portrayal, it has to do w intent. And they intended for this to be a wanda movie/continuation from her show...not a continuation of dr. Stranges first movie. She drove the plot, felt like she had the most screen time regardless of portrayal. She was the hero and villian of the movie kinda like she was on her show. She heroically came out of her delusion and killed herself 😑. For God's sake strange dabbled w the "dark side", showed no character development as stated by GF when he decided to use the evil book although questionably for "good" reason. Strange is still not the sorcerer supreme and now clearly hes still an idiot as first seen in spiderman. A far cry from the dude we met in the dr strange movie who was chosen for his will, wit, smarts and cleverness. Btw all the magic dudes trying to protect their fortress from scarlett using their combined magic which amounted to virtually nothing gave me flashbacks of the earth kingdom warriors combining their powers to float a damn pebble from the last air bender movie 🤦🏾♂️😑.
For me, the only thing missing was a huge fight between Wanda and Strange. That's what I wanted the most honestly but I loved the film so I can't complain
@@tayyabarizwan1889 I’m not sure they nerfed him rather Wanda just had a year of studying of the scarlet witch handbook under her belt. Learning how powerful she really is.
@@captainswagger2838 Yes but atleast after strange got hold of the vishanti, they could've had a proper fight.They made a big deal of that book only for it to be taken care of by wanda in milliseconds??!
We did get to see the growth of Dr Strange in this movie. In Infinity War, he was ready to trade lives for the greater good. But he was not willing to do so in this one. The fact that he didn't need to think it over in itself shows that he has grown. Also he witnessed what Defender Strange tried to do which also affected his decision to protect America Chavez. Irrespective of whether we liked America, Dr Stange's motive to protect her was a decision he made on his own. This is also highlighted in the movie when America says "This Strange is different" & that he can be trusted. Professor X also gave him the benefit of the doubt knowing what a Dr.Strange is capable of.
Him, saying that in Infinity War was also very confusing. After his first movie, we didn't expect him to say something like that. People were like: "Dude needs to chill". Looks like they just threw that in because they didn't know what to do with him in his sequel other than him, being a dck again to humble him down again and start caring. Kind of disrespectful to his origin movie.
Here's my perspective. Dr. Strange kind of lost himself in all the grand calculous of the multiverse stuff. In the first Dr. Strange movie we had that powerful scene after the battle in the sanctum where Strange is upset and yelling about how killing a man wasn't something honorable. Then, in Infinity War and Endgame we see Strange sacrificing others because "it was the only way". Then again in No Way Home it was "their sacrifice means far more than their lives" without even the platitude of it being the only way. In Multiverse of Maddness, we met 3 other Stranges. The first Strange, when backed into a corner, tried to make the "your sacrifice means far more" play, and our Strange was forced to helplessly watch himself try to sacrifice America in a dream. Right before swallowing a heavy dose of the unintended consequences his choice to sacrifice people to Thanos, no less. The second paved the way for an idyllic world by defeating Thanos through great personal sacrifice, though that also had unintended consequences for another universe. The third Strange was the evil Strange left stewing alone in his Sanctum because he sacrificed his entire universe for personal gain. In the end, Strange's hero's journey in Multiverse of Madness was about striking a balance where he wasn't shouldering the burden alone, but he wasn't asking other people to give their lives for the cause, either.
This was exactly how I felt watching this film. I thought it was actually quite a powerful character arc for our Stephen to go through, and of course he was only going to learn this lesson from other versions of himself, kinda like Loki. It shows how pretentious he used to be and how he has to rely on others now and has to become more of a team player. It wasn’t our Stephen who defeated Thanos, it was Tony. And at the time Stephen only trusted him to do it because it was the only way he saw it would work in 14 million chances, but now he’s learning why that was the best way. He’s learning that he doesn’t always have to be “the one to hold the knife”. Sometimes he has to be the one to pick up the knife and hand it to someone else. And he doesn’t always have to sacrifice someone else, or an entire universe, just to save ours - like all those other Stephens did or tried to.
I generally avoid writing long comments even when I want to because I somehow feel it is not that important. But but this time I have to write it because this is the video which I connect the most while correcting the Doctor Strange 2 movie in my mind. For me this is what I wanted in the theatres.I wanted to see more of Dr Steven Strange,more of his struggle,more of his personal sacrifices. But instead of that Marvel showed me the struggles of Scarlet witch, in America Chavez. To me the movie feels more of scarlet witch than of a Doctor Strange and I always had a complain about how Doctor Strange is always kept out of the plot just to explore his powers in his own movie. But the movie proves me wrong again because even if in his own movie his powers are not at all explored that well and we didn't even see a proper fight between Doctor Strange and Wanda with a lot personal stake because in every almost every scenario Doctor Strange is losing to Wanda like crazy. With all this in my mind I hope with all the heart that this video really reaches to Marvel and they fix the problem as soon as possible and we hope to see a 3rd Doctor Strange movie with all his powers focused only and only on OUR Doctor Steven Strange.
For me it’s just like, the whole plot could’ve been resolved by having Strange use the same memory spell we saw him use twice in the last film to make Wanda forget about her fake kids. After he meets America, he could probably even make it specific to 616 Wanda so the other Wanda’s with real kids don’t forget about them. Don’t introduce a memory altering magic spell then in the next film have the villain’s main goal be based on a memory without at least saying something like “the scarlet witch is far too powerful for my spells to work on her” and working in how she’s the only one who knows who Peter is in the next team up/spider man film. Idk, the entirety of phase 4 feels disconnected with no real path forward after what, 60 hours of content at this point? We’re building up to Knights and Young Avengers, but it kinda feels like they don’t know what to do with the characters from the Avengers arc.
I think keeping Strange's kinda evil side would really work perfect, like Wanda after the darkhold was destroyed, was devastated cuz she didn't remember the spells, but Strange has a photographic memory, so I think the last scene should've been Strange laughing maniacally cuz, Wanda thought she destroyed the darkhold but Strange remembers all the spells.
Bro that would be sick , i hope someone from Marvel reads this , Strange turning into evil would be sick . But it won't happen , but i want to see him overpowered
@@banhandleusernames i dont think they will kill someone that’s very popular and adored by the mcu fans, i mean i like wanda (im not simping nor do i have feelings for her), i just like females that has badass powers
To be honest when I watch this Movie, I agree that this could've been better because you can't just add new character and expect the audience to relate especially to those who's not knowledgable about the comics. However, in the scene where Strange says what would happen if Wanda gets the power of Chaves, I think the reason why he couldn't said it is because he saw in his dream what the alternate version of his did to her. At least that's my interpretation in the scene. Also they almost got the book in the first scene so I assume that they already have a bond and when they failed the alternate version of our Strange used his last resort which is to take her power, also when Chaves used her power, Strange helped her to escape so I think that based on that our Strange needed to gain her trust.
This movie should have been released in two parts just like Infinity war and endgame . The first should have established Scarlett witch supremacy and in the second part of the movie Strange finds a way to bring her down . Eventually giving each character a more descriptive running time rather than telling context .
I think an underrated aspect of Strange's speech is that he makes America realize that she has unconsciously been using her power tactically this whole time. The supposedly random universe she went to, happened to be the exact same one Wanda wanted to infiltrate. I think it's a nice show of his deduction skills.
3:36 - While I do agree that there wasn't much of a reasonable base for America Chavez or the sudden rivarly between Dr. Strange and Wanda, I believe the reason strange doesn't tell America that his priority is not letting scarlet witch get her powers, regardless of her living or not is because he wanted to win over her trust. He was able to make out how powerful her quirk was and she told him how she already doesn't trust him because defender strange tried killing her once already. So it was more important for him to win over her trust rather than show his true motive of not letting Scarlet witch get her powers. . Secondly, another thing that really pissed me off was the fact that we were presented Mordo of Earth-838 and not of our Mordo (Earth 616) who was already teased as becoming the villian for the next instalment as he took away powers of Benjamin Bratt's character. There was no sign of him and it was quite disappointing tbh.
Yes that’s exactly what Doctor Strange was trying to do in this film, but I don’t think he needs to win someone’s trust, especially those who don’t even know how to control their powers yet. As I said, they could have taken a different route. Where Strange wouldn’t be fond of America immediately, but slowly grow some affection towards her. That would have worked better.
This movie was superb in terms of action scenes and effects, the story was too not that bad but they could've added some theoretical aspects of Doctor Strange of other universes too instead of just focusing on showing the powers and fights of both Wanda and strange. But with that it wouldn't have been worth watching it in theatres, in theatres it's much likely to see those fights and super natural abilities of our heros rather than understanding the theories of marvel with multiverses.
First off, we can put the puzzle pieces together from the Stranges in other universe because everything played out the same similar to Universe 616, up until the turning point, that they explained. Secondly, be careful because them putting a huge focal point on a different universe and then switching back to focus on Universe 616 can make you not care about any characters because how less of a time you're spending with them. If MCU was too do this, they have to get the timing. For example, when introducing the Xmen, whichever universe they came from, the whole movie can spend time on that Universe and their backstory and beyond. Then they get warped to Universe 616, and then the next movie focuses on Universe 616 again. All I'm saying is the focal point timing is critical for us to care about the story beats.
Strange felt like a visiting teacher to a school he should've taught in. There really was little plot on Strange through the movie. Even his enlightenment in the end, if it is that was abrupt. The part where he repossessed the dead, could have been explained better. His want to defend the Earth could have been shown better. And he could have been more present in the main plot. Is what bothered me
Ironically for me, a person who wanted good wanda out of this movie, it was her being reasoned with at the end that ruined it for me. Reason being that I had come to terms with the fact that the darkhold got a hold of her, and that it was a tragedy, but she was too far gone. The ending made it seem like we could have gotten through to her, but that she really was just evil from losing everything, which I just dont buy after wandavision. If they made it seem like she was angry that she couldnt get want she wanted, and destroyed the darkhold because of it, taking herself down as an basically suicide, it would have shown me that our wanda was truly just corrupted through no fault of her own.
But it did kinda made sense to me, she was doing everything for the kids only, they were the ultimate goal. That was the only thing which could make her realize what she had become. And it was really her own self who could have really defeated her ,as happened
It made sense to me that her kids reactions were the ONLY thing that could break the Darkhold’s grip over her. It took me a second to accept that Wanda was the villain as well. She and Loki are my favorite MCU characters. I almost wanted her to win and kill America lol
I think this movie had everything ; perfect cameos , amazing acting by the cast but it made some very noticeable mistakes like: - they revealed wanda being the main villain waaay to quickly - no mention of vision ? i mean i get it , it would have been hard to explain about him but its like they completely forgot that how imp vision was in wandavision - they nerfed Wong and the Illuminati - killed the Illuminati waaay too early , like I get it was to establish how powerful Wanda is but c'mon killing Professor X like that felt disrespectful. (also bringing Patrick Stewart who is such an amazing actor and giving him little screentime and killing him right away was kinda stupid) - didn't give enough screentime/backstory to other versions of Strange
Also mordo got super small screentime, and his scene not that memorable, i mean is he also suppose to be a cameo too? i tought he was part of main casts. kinda dissapointed in that. I hope he play bigger role in 3rd movie,feels like Marvel try to make us forget that mordo still exsist.
- yes it wasn't quicker than tony stark discovers time travel in 1 minute in the endgame - so basically tony has all the skills equipment's and knowledge in all these years so he is ready and capable to pull tasks like time travel in bare minimum time - so sometimes its an audience who needs to develop further back stories in their heads because movie runtime time will not be enough to show everything - because it was not required i feel - wong shown doing things in this movie he never did in previous ones, and wanda can kill cap marvel and thanos may be together and yes illuminatis is not a big deal for her - because this movies was about doc 616 not other version
I was expecting that the plot of the Loki, WandaVision and WhatIf series join together for some "madness in the multiverse" but instead we got nothing from Loki, we threw out the whole thing that WandaVision built up and it just felt like a waste to me. Not saying the movie is bad but it was a huge dissapointment for me. But I know Thor Love and Thunder with Taika Waititi won't let me down.
"You have to be the one holding the knife" is what Christine told him, and it hurt. The love of your life telling you you're a control freak, it's gonna hurt. That phrase cuts through Dr S like one of his scalpels, you can see it. He's no longer sorcerer supreme, his decisions have cost the lives of his friends, he's no longer a stonekeeper and the woman he loves is marrying someone else. All of his decisions have led to this point where he has no control anymore, he has to reach the point where HE decides to let go of the knife. I think MoM is a great film, it shows Dr S growing as a person, from his arrogance in defeating the creature at the start to his realisation that he isn't actually the one who can defeat S W. He's almost acknowledging that the (multi) verse doesn't revolve around him. Dr Strange sharing credit in his own film is a bit like the realisation that Stephen Strange has that he's is a bit part on planet Earth. Or have I missed the mark completely? Peace out J
I love the way you made this video. You criticized the movie but you gave some tips on how to improve it. You didn't completely roast marvel but still said what needed to be said.
I disagree this was a strange’s journey in breaking his tragic cycle in the multiverse of continueing sacrificing countless lives and it’s a journey that started in Spider-Man 3 when he was refusing to sacrificing Peter at first cause he was just a KID and I think the incursion is caused by this strange breaking the cycle
you said what I feel about this movie perfectly. I like the film the way it is. I agree that America Chavez should have been introduced in a different way but otherwise changing the dynamic between Wanda and Dr. Strange to more traditional villain vs. hero would not serve their characters moving forward in the MCU.
@@jewelcrystal exactly and when you look at the comics Dr strange and Wanda kind always end up riding the lines of being a hero and a villain with there actions
Exaclty. It's no coincidence that the same line Defender Strange uses in this movie right before trying to kill America is the same line he uses right before he's about to send back all the spiderman villains to their deaths. Our Strange learned from our Spiderman that there is always another way, he chose to help them and yes it cost Peter a lot, but that sacrifice wasn't at the hands of others, but himself. He stood for something. Cut to this movie, America, who is basically Peters age comes seeking help and he's hit with the same challenge. He is different, he is suppose to be "the best of us" as the Sorcerer Supreme stated in Strange 1.
That's a great point, he said the issue was more focused on Scarlet Witch than Doctor Strange and this movie could've been a masterpiece if it did focused on him. Where's the focus on Batman in the "Dark Knight" movie?
I loved strange from the beginning.And I'm addicted to him in every other movies seeing him with less emotions. Actually I like that quality of him. He can sacrifice anything or anyone without hesitation and without being emotional. Strange being emotional and Wanda being highlited (which is not the main character) made me not wanting to watch this movie.. 😐😐
My problem with the movie was there were many scenes where if the characters had just sped up, the problem could have been solved quicker. It felt like them walking slowly was just useless and just a reason to prolong the movie or make more complications. I also found a problem with America Chavez suddenly being able to use her power in the end because of motivation? Every time things like that happen in movies, I just get annoyed because despite it being a movie where things are usually unrealistic, scenes like this always bothered me. Like they could’ve just had a scene where she learned to do it. Another problem, Strange fighting evil Strange near the end was so anti-climactic. Evil Strange just fell and suddenly opened his third eye and nothing happened. As a watcher I couldn’t tell if that arc was supposed to end or if it would continue later on. And Strange just using the Dark Hold nonchalantly felt like a rush. But I do agree that Dr Strange should’ve been the main point of the film and regarding Strange caring about the kid, might’ve been because he saw himself sacrifice Chavez in his dream. I too didn’t feel anything for the Illuminati’s death. Even though I loved the cameos, it seemed like just a marketing tactic. Strange also didn’t care about anyone in their universe except for Christine so yes, I also think she should’ve been hostage. However, I think a lot of scenes were executed perfectly. They manage to make scarlet witch scenes eerie and the visuals were amazing. Overall, the movie was still good imo.
Honestly, I wholeheartedly disagree. This movie certainly has its flaws, but the whole point of it was that in almost every universe, Doctor Strange is the threat, not Wanda. That being the Sorcerer Supreme, being the ultimate power, ultimately corrupted him. That was the whole point of the question posed at the very beginning of the film. Was allowing Thanos to snap away half the universe really the "only way?" Was Stephen Strange's way, Stephen Strange's answer, the only correct answer to make on behalf of an entire universe? And whether the answer is yes or no, that is the question Stephen had been asking himself throughout this film. Our Doctor Strange's hero's journey in this film is about him being tempered by humility. He's not the guy who gets the girl. He's not the Sorcerer Supreme. The most powerful thing he could do in the final battle is realize that he is not the answer. He is a player in the story. He is not "Earth's Mightiest Avenger." Because when he's the one in charge, when he's the one with all the power, it ends very badly, in almost every universe.
I wanted to see a fight between two very strong being. I expected to see a massive fight between The Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange who was meant to be best of all sorcerers. I wanted a moment where I could shout, 'Yes! This is Dr. Strange.' I wanted him to utilize all his knowledge to defeat Wanda. Maybe I expected too much.
dr strange cant defeat the scarlet witch, and i think that's basically the reason they didnt have a massive fight (along with the fact that wanda didnt want to kill anyone, she just wanted america's powers)
no you didn't.. was expecting exactly the same before the movie was released, but turns out Strange surrendered before even trying, and basically kept escaping from her in the most part of the movie
I was expecting the same thing, especially after watching wandavision and seeing the final fight. I was hoping that the final fight would be a big magic fight between him and wanda and strange would do a wanda in wandavision
Watched it on the opening day. 1 week after, I still felt that something was not right. Couldn't put it to words. Until you made this video. This was exactly the problem. I also felt that, after this movie, MCU was not moving forward..
I agree with you, for the most part. One aspect is that since Strange said that about where his priority was, he's since gone through a tremendous amount of personal growth. 14 million scenes in his mind, and giving up the stone was the key. Fighting with Spider-Man, to find out that he was right. So much has been learned since then, that he became the only version of Dr. Strange in the multiverse willing to make the move to give America a real chance. We don't just follow THIS Strange because we've witnessed it all, but also because we feel (and was proven) he is the best of his variants. The suggested comment/scene you suggest could possibly have made it better, or it could have taken the edge away from the story for us. Less hand-holding, and more "will he, won't he" scene at the end.
I completely agree. The movie was great, but the fights between Wanda and Strange could have been improved. Making it a bit personal would have been so much better. And yes, if a character's name is in the title, I would much prefer to have the movie revolve around him/her more than the others.
8:30 I Agree With You On This, If They Introduced Wanda A Villian After A Lil While Like After Everything Was Properly Introduced, It Would Have Been Much Better.
This was definitely something I discussed with my co-worker on numerous occasions about the various Phase 4 movies and mini-series: a) They tried to rush the plot points to make it fit into the 2hr45min/mini-series "limit" and didn't let the moments breathe. b) They tried to introduce new/old characters to make it fit into the story without giving them a plausible reason to be there besides "oh hey, they showed up because the world is breaking!" WandaVision, Loki, and (on a lesser extent) Falcon & the Winter Soldier didn't suffer as badly because they were building upon character beats already established in the movies, but everything else just felt like it was just setting new characters up without giving any thought to why the Phase 1, 2, and 3 movies worked so well despite Phase 4 having just as many screentime as Phase 1&2 combined. Because they were forced to introduce and create character growth in the span of 3 hours total, the stakes were much higher and more personal. Here in Phase 4 I feel like Marvel was depending too much on people knowing exactly what went down in not only the previous 3 phases of movies, but now also the mini-series on DisneyPlus. If I hadn't seen WandaVision before this, I would've been so confused as to where these two kids came from and why was Wanda so fixated on getting to the, what would've been to me, future children from Wanda's dreams. I really hope they start taking notes from their previous movies in terms of story beats and character growth, and make Strange's next movie really about him and not turn him into a plot device for some new character's introduction.
9:58 "she started like a kid in the MCU,became a hero and now an all out villian" Perfect story arc explanation of wanda. This also reminds me all the memes of wanda and Captain America from civil war and wanda vision.
In addition to agreeing with everything you pointed out I also had a problem with Wong and the magic system. Two movies now have told us Wong got Sorcerer Supreme on a technicality, but it has never been explained. It makes no sense that it would be experience because Wong was already shown to be a sorcerer before Steven so in that case Steven never would have had the title (which they are inferring he had at Infinity War but I don't believe is ever outright stated). If it is based off of skill in the mystic arts I would like to point out that Wong lost just about every fight he was in (his only victory being a sneak attack at the end). My point is Wong was bodied throughout the entire movie, a little too much for being the #1 sorcerer (he even supposedly has extra books and still couldn't hold his own against the same threats Steven faced). Secondly, the magic system was way worse in this movie. It has never been clearly defined which I think is an inherent problem, but that can be worked around. Nonetheless, most of the magic was extremely derivative and was reduced to magic weaponry instead of cool spells that we see used in Doctor Strange, a bit in Ragnarok, and especially in Infinity War. I thought introducing the ability to summon monsters similarly to What-If was a cool extension of our Strange's powers but that was about it. The music scene was an attempt at introducing cool magic, but there was no logic behind it at all. Yes I know it is a movie and I should suspend my disbelief, but it just felt like a roundabout "ball-of-magic" fight (akin to the WandaVision finale) which means this movie checked both boxes of lazy magic writing: magic weapons that are just weapons and balls of magic with no real way to understand who is winning, why they are winning, or what is even happening. They did introduce some cool magic but it was all reliant on the Darkhold and even with that Wanda was still pretty much her same old red ball of magic flinging self. TL;DR - Wong was underpowered for Sorcerer Supreme and the magic was lame.
To add a bit on the personal conflict: Strange giving Thanos the time stone caused Wanda's sacrifice of Vision to be meaningless (not to mention brutal). She could have also used this as a grudge against Stephen.
Wanda: "You took, everything from me" Thanos: "You're barking on the wrong tree..." *points at Strange* "He gave the time stone to me, WiLLINGLY" *Dun Dun DUUUUN*
The movie is actually a good one. The fans including me had so many expectations like cameos. Which brought down the energy a bit. However it lacks the purpose. They should have shown the various multiverse realities than just fighting for a kid.
@@FireJach Actually the majority that are complaining are complaining that Wanda and Steven didn't had a fight like The Watcher and Ultimate ultron in " What if ? " . The other complaint I see is people not liking Sam Raimi editing.
@@FireJach Actually, this is actually one of the less common criticisms / complains I've seen on social media. To list some of them: - Too much "Madness" and not enough "Multiverse" (the multiverse was barely explored for a film called "Multiverse of Madness). - Runtime being short / Character arcs not being fleshed out. - Some issues with the writing ( Occasionally silly dialogues, Illuminati making retarded decisions, Strange's arsenal being nerfed etc.)
From the moment i saw the title of this movie, its posters and trailer i was so hyped about it and literally i wanted to see Dr Strange realising that Wanda was all behind the chaos and an epic fight scene between Wañda and Doctor Strange. I really hope the cut scenes of the movie is really worth it to have another perspective about the movie
I felt exactly the same! The stake wasn’t high enough. Not once throughout the entire movie do I feel that Dr Strange was actually significantly threatened by Wanda. It felt like I know the only thing that can stop her is herself. I know that The Incursion or the multiversal decimation is a big threat but as you said, it didn’t feel personal. And the fight between the Stranges!? I mean, we started with the bending and transforming the world into a kaleidoscope that the Ancient One did, to “Dormammu I come to bargain”, to the brilliant fight between Dr Strange and Thanos, to the rise of Strange Supreme, to the epic fight between Strange Supreme and Ultron in Vision’s body with the Infinity Gauntlet. But then we get the lackluster fight between Dr Strange and Sinister Strange? Just throwing music notes to each other! What!?
i mean it’s a great concept but i know that many comic fans were very dissapointed of the scene like we could’ve witness a universe bending fight between the two like we see in what if but instead we get music notes lmao
Great vid as always. I think another part of the reason why we care about our universe’s Doctor Strange more is that he shares our timeline, on our planet, in our universe thus sharing our experiences (i.e. he saved our planet in our timeline) whereas America doesn’t share any of that with us, so there’s a big detachment there - even if subconsciously.
Answer 2- The fight sequences in CA:TWS were BEYOND good. Also, I really love the character of Bucky and how he was introduced in this film (when we didn't know he was Bucky). He is one of the most tragic mcu characters. The scene where he saved Steve was beautiful imo (yes I expected him to save Steve but that doesn't make the scene any less better). I don't even need to say this but the plot was wonderful, the Bucky reveal was too good. I love seeing characters struggle because it makes them more relatable. Steve was also having an internal conflict the entire time, which made me like him even more than I did already. Black Widow and Steve's friendship was too wholesome and tbh, BW was better in this film than in her own film. This film really nailed every single scene.
I honestly thought it was always implicit that he's doing all this in order to stop Wanda from accessing the multiverse and enslaving it. We did not *need* him to be that cold towards a kid being chased by monsters. Besides, this movie is about Strange changing from becoming a stoic hero who doesn't care who he hurts as long as the end justifies the means. He kept repeating that multiverse calculus line because his character is developing beyond that view, to start caring about people he works with, and to start trusting them to do what needs to be done. That it doesn't always have to be him "holding the knife". I thought this is a great movie, and I think you missed that the point of all the scenes you mentioned was to show his growth at the end when he trusted America to get it done.
True, but the execution is really poor. If they want to show us how powerful Wanda is, show it after she survive from Black Bolt scream or show it after all the Illuminati attack her at once.
Wanda does have a motive for hating Strange and a very personal one at that. She even referred to it at least twice in the film: her killing Vision was for nothing directly because of the action Strange took. And since she was possesed/influenced by the book it's clear she wouldn't understand his rational explanation that it was for the greater good. So I think that was the strifle between them that added some personal dimension to their conflict.
Very well said. It would've been a much more complete character arc for Strange if he had fully established to America Chavez and the Audience that he was prepared to sacrifice her if it ever became necessary. Then, when he's confronted by Wanda, Strange could be more conflicted, having to truly realise that he's willing to take a child's life, which would give him more of a motive to try to avoid that finality, and to find a way to help America control her powers. Then, at the end of the film, when America talks to Strange and tells him that she understands what he needs to do, it would be a lot more impactful watching our Dr. Strange refuse to go down the same path as his alternate selves, since we would have seen throughout the film, as well as in Infinity War, that Strange was fully ready to take her life. As opposed to the original film, where Dr. Strange had 0 intention to kill America from the start, so we never had that "will he take her powers?" tension at the end of the film.
I agree. I kept waiting for the big bad or the big reveal. I was never scared and it never felt like our heros were ever in any danger. I feels like they spent two hours telling us that Dr Strange found a portal girl and another eye. I wanted the big Demon to show up and require a team up. That would've given some witch closure and maybe not have felt as rushed (witch turning good and America mastering her powers in just 5 minutes).
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On a side note: I felt like Vision could've played a bigger role in the movie. I understand wanting to reunite with her children, but Vision was her husband.
Last thing she knows about vision is that he disappeared with the hex. Why would she continue to try to look for him and not her children?
Maybe the other universes there is a human lover for wanda to show that her children are real
@@HelloWorld-yn6fx or maybe vision removed his mindstone with the help of shuri and became human or something
The husband role ends till they reproduce the child. Always mom loves their child more than her husband
@@MyManGreen That's what the movie is lacking. Between the time stamp of wandavision and dr strange 2, did wanda and vision(s.w.o.r.d.) not encounter each other in any circumstances at all?
I feel like Stephen having seen America in his dreams through the eyes of the other Strange developed a connection with her by proxy and also experienced the other Strange's guilt when he turned on her and saw the look of betrayal in her eyes, something he could never forget because of his photographic memory. So he wanted to avoid that scenario at all costs, especially since that didn't even work out for the other Strange, ultimately. Wanda was strong enough to defeat him even if he had America's powers, so taking them from her wouldn't solve anything. He needed the book of Vishanti to tell him what the real winning move was since she wouldn't listen to reason and couldn't be beaten. But just as Wanda burned the book of Vishanti, he caught a glimpse of a page with America's star on it, and thanks to that aforementioned photographic memory was able to absorb the information on the page in the few seconds it took for it to burn away, and that's how he realized America was the solution all along. If the audience needed to feel a stronger connection to America, it should've been through flashes of scenes where Defender Strange was interacting with America, which our Strange remembers because he dreamed it.
I think another thing to keep in mind here is that Strange isn't without sentiment. Defender Strange may have been willing to kill America to save the multiverse, but he clearly felt bad about it, just like our Strange felt bad for Peter, enough to perform a dangerous spell just to make his life a little easier because he knows he's been through a lot of shit. It's perfectly in-character for Strange to fight for a kid he has no personal connection to with everything he has and only consider killing her as a last resort. Especially since he was shown to be pretty upset about having to break the Hippocratic oath and kill people in the last movie. He also bears the guilt of every consequence of allowing the Snap to happen as well as letting his sister die when they were kids. Just because he's WILLING to sacrifice lives for the greater good doesn't mean he doesn't hate having to and won't go out of his way to avoid it if he can.
Wow that was great really 👌🏾👌🏾
And his learning experience from no way home convinced our strange things don't have to always be so drastic
Naw why u writing a whole bible
Nailed it, thanks
Great opinion dude, and I really like this movie! It's tremendous!
I also think the movie lack of 1 scene. Many people complaint about Wanda’s action in this movie is opposite what she learned in wandavision. The movie explained its because of the Darkhold’s corruption, but we did not see it. Maybe they should add scenes that show the dark hold corrupting her, and she did fight back but surrender to it at last. Maybe that addition will justify her action more.
That's what I thought. We nerds noticed it because of the black fingertips, but it wasn't explicit, made she look like a crazy murderer. The whole question the whole movie was "Why didn't she create her boys again like before?"
I mean taking over town for months and then having a 180 change without damaging one psyche…. Yeah people would complain. About that even more. She was the Mai. Gillian in her own show, now she gets to be the best version of that villain in MoM
There was a post credit scene in wandavision that shows her using the dark hold and how she was being corrupt
@@HelloWorld-yn6fx well your first part of using dark hold is correct but it never showed how it corrupted her , i mean yeah like that was showed in the movie
Watch the whole video then comment
I don't like how Dr Strange was just like "Believe in yourself, America" and all of a sudden she was just able to masterfully use her powers. That was a bit too rushed for me.
He looked at the book of Vacanti and it had a star so she was the key to what he needed.
@@tawhio1972 yeah
Lol it was so cringey
Atleast It's not a Power of friendship BS
But i still agreed with you
Especially considering this was like a 2+ hour movie... We were watching blips of so many different damn story lines that they forgot to write the main story well lol
She was using her powers from almost the first scene. When she kicked the concrete onto the eye monster you see a blue flash and the concrete is cut into a star shape. She was using her powers the whole time.
As you said, movie did lack many scenes according to the director that the original cut was 40 min longer than the final theater cut.. Hope we get those scenes as deleted scenes and we could get to explore more about the plot of strange and everything else we missed about the movie...
This movie was perfect for Sam Raimi! I doubt they would release a director's cut, but this would be the movie to do it for!
RELEASE THE RAIMI CUT.
Not they will not release a directors cut. It was not a final cut I heard, but an initial cut that many filmmakers go through. We might get a couple deleted scenes but I doubt it. One can always speculate
Woah 40 min, that's like an entire extended edition
One would hope they release the longer cut. Maybe it would help flesh out these errors we have found
I think the growth they were going for is based on what Christine said, "you have to he the one holding the knife" so for once he trusted someone else solve the problem. Instead of stealing her power, he guided her to use it herself.
That can’t be the main premise of his own film, that’s my point. That may be part of a premise but the whole movie was him being on the sidelines!
@@TheCanadianLad damn Reply just now I'm lucky
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@@TheCanadianLad
Maybe Dr Strange being the sidelines-guy is the main thing in his arc? 🤔
Hope not.
@@TheCanadianLad the movie should've been him fighting his universe's mordo
I think Strange not being the Sorcerer Supreme separates him from other versions. He knows there are limitations on what he can do. The multiverse Strange(s) believed they could & would do anything as the Sorcerer Supreme as shown with Evil Strange, Defender Strange and What if Strange.
Plus what happened in Spiderman nwh made him change his perspective about the multiverse imo
Nah
@@ImWithMe they're all masters of sorcery in other universes, except our regular Strange. Ultimate power costs him his life in every universe, but not 616.
Makes the bow to Wong at the end more significant. Strange might be a stronger sorcerer but he’s slowly learning that it’s okay if other people get to solve problems and take responsibility.
You made a good point about America, but I think the same thing goes for Wanda, she played a bigger role than strange did in the movie, and it's called Dr. Strange. Also, the illuminati died too fast. The fight between them and Wanda should've been longer. I also have a problem with captain Carter lasting longer in the fight than Reed and blackbolt.
But she could do it all day.
Yea kinda sucks that Wanda killed off the intresting characters first
The movie ain't gud as i expected it would be. And also on the other hand look at the the other doctor strange who had powers of "the dark hole" being knocked out and killed just as simple as it can be. And the acting isn't quite well this time like i don't get the feeling of them being serious .This movie isn't Perfectly made up. It's like a beta version of it that needs more improvement more story plots more Logic behind those events. This isn't how i wanted to view and visualize doctor strange. Agree?
I think the length of the movie is less and in this time they introduced illuminati and killed them in 15 minutes 😀 also I expected the illuminati will punish Dr strange for causes of no way home nothing happened. Btw it's still a marvel class movie
that happens in every team up battle. they always avoid Peggy or cap because the others are so powerful. then they get to sneak up and do a little damage but realistically they would be worthless in a fight like that.
honestly, i care about our stephen strange because of his sarcasm, and the fact that he’s the first strange we’ve ever known.
edit: y’all i know that’s what he said and i’m sorry about the misspelling. on another note, thx for a lot of likes, it’s literally been 6 hours
That’s basically what he said
There was a movie in 1978 so he wasn't the first dr strange
@@HelloWorld-yn6fx There was also a comic in 1963 so even he wasn't the first dr strange.
@@cjfrost1441 Well of course he’s in the comics. All the superheroes are from the comics, they are talking about movies though
It's not Steven it's Stephen with a "ph"
A key part that is missed out is that Dr Strange was in Spider-Man No Way Home for a reason. He saw how Spider-Man did everything he could to help the villains he met just a day ago. This is an integral part of Dr Strange's arc which carries on in this movie. He has forgotten Peter like everyone else, but remains inspired by his doings.
He forgot Peter not Spiderman
@@antoniojurjevic2974 Yes true, Peter Parker
Doctor strange didn't forget spiderman, nobody forgot spiderman, everyone forgot who Peter Parker is
@@antoniojurjevic2974 That's exactly what he said lol. "He has forgotten Peter like everyone else." You tried to make correction as if Dr. Strange can go ask for Spiderman to help him stop Wanda. He can't ask Spiderman because even though he remembers Spiderman, he doesn't know who's behind the mask, and Strange lost track of his location. Spiderman is alone now.
@@UltimateQball he edited the comment few days ago it said Spiderman not Peter you can also see in other replies that people told him that he forgot Peter
Green Goblin once said, "The one thing they love more than a hero is to see him fail, fall, die trying."
That's what you're trying to say here, which could've made it better. Goblin was not wrong.
He did fail, in three universes... our steven failed the moment wanda destroyed the [mc guffin] book that was able to stop her.
@@BlaxeFrost-X [mc guffin]?
You mean the Book of Vishanti?
@@pranavakshit That one, thank you (still a mc guffin in the movie, not saying is "bad" or "good")
@@pranavakshit when i watched it in the cinemas i thought i heard “Book of the Shanty”
@@zircon2944 oh god😂
I see where you're coming from, however, I feel that we actually did see a lot of doctor strange's personal journey within this film. the message that I took away from the film was that no one can truley succeed without the help of others. Our strange, as well as the multiversal strange characters, have constantly attempted to "go it alone" as professor X would say. This attempt to always be in control, to always be "the one holding the knife" has cost strange christine. you say that it woudlve been better to threaten christine to get a more personal fight between wanda and strange, when the personal fght for her was already happening between strange and his past mistakes of never letting anyone in. Of never letting her in. In this film strange has gone through the personal journey of learning to give up control. To face his fears and put his trust in others. something he was never able to do with christine.
Perfectly said
MoM's only real flaws are that Defender Strange somehow undergoes several months of decay in one day and the main Strange doesn't respond to Sinister Strange's offer to give him the Darkhold in exchange for Christine with "What are you? The Phantom of the Opera?"
Regarding the rate of decay, I though that at first, but if you remember the shot after Defender Strange’s leg was injured, you can see the accelerated necrotizing of the flesh around the wound.
I can’t give an exact reason (magic wounds get infected quickly?), but they at least show us that the decay from the injury spreads quickly.
What you're saying makes sense. I want to see the deleted scenes now. Is it possible Dr. Strange equated saving America with saving his sister from drowning? We only got a small fragment of that memory but no clue if that was the missing segment.
I would of loved to see a scene where doctor strange saves america from drowning, and it flashes back and forth showing younger doctor strange trying to save his sister.. the scene ends with his sister drowning but then shows Strange pulling america out of the water.
That story felt like it did nothing to Strange's personality....
@@Nofaceallgrace oh man..
@@Fivekey100 “oh man” in a bad way or good way?
@@Nofaceallgrace in a sad way.. 😅
You nailed your description of the scene!
Completely agree with all your statements. I came out of watching the film feeling that something was missing. I thought the plot was a bit simple and in the end it was lacking, but your video helped me figure it out. I felt like the movie was made more to introduce new characters and plot-points for Marvel's new phase rather than to make an actual movie. Looking forward to your next Dr. Strange breakthrough!
See it was a teaser movie😊
Imagine if an alternate Tobey was on the team, but he's gained control of the symbiote...
Honestly I had more issues than what he mention (for example imo the camera angles were like that of a rookie and the mericas acting again imo were trash like a Disney actor)
Personal opinion...
"Dr. Strange What If episode" would've been a better script for Dr. Strange 2. They would have found a clever way to include Wanda.
But emulating The Canadian lads opinion on wanting to see more of Strange than America, I definitely think the what if episode hit harder & did more for Strange's character.
tbh i was disappointed by how evil strange was defeated in movie
@@vaibhavmehta868 Yup Supreme Strange better than Sinister Strange lol, in the movies. Also, I wasn't getting pure evil vibes from Sinister Strange either. He had similar story to Supreme Strange where they wanted Christine Palmer. This is the exact mentality that Wanda had, until she came back to her senses.
Ya that episode was amazing and everyone cried and complained "they arent even in love in the movie".....
It kinda feels like the whole "What If...?" Series is a little bit better than MoM.
bruh what if ep 4 is far better than scarlet witch into the multimeter of mandess.
For me the biggest flaw of many marvel movies is that they nerf the characters too much. The one fight scene we got between our strange and Wanda is him trying to hit her with snakes…like, REALLY?
SW was amped by the Darkhold, if Strange was amped by the Book of Vishanti.. they would be equal in terms of power/knowledge
"Nerfs the characters too much"
*Looks At Wanda in this movie*
@@mastere6115 the hero get nerf, the villain get buff, like the thanos in what if
@@mastere6115 he meant the main character like it's bs to nerf strange in his own movie and make wanda even more powerful
@@venujaharischandra7430 exactly but that's what happened.
I totally agree with you, I wonder if the 40 minutes deleted scenes would make it a masterpiece like you said. I know this will never happen but I do hope they will release the director's cut version.
Yes, i enjoyed it alough, and i think Doctor Strange did not wanted Wanda Witch to become more powerfull, so he tried to stop that. The passing was good, ok. I think Doctor Strange did connect to save yet an other person.
don't you mean you Wanda? ;)
There is a mcu chronological fan made version, where every scene of the mcu are cut and put back and chronological order. With almost 170 cut scenes. Look up for Dirty30, you can download it for free, 32 movies so far (disney+ shows included).
Mark18 now including the eternals. Mark 19 coming out soin with no way home, and i guess mark 20 with dr strange. But it's usually 4-5 month after the movies is out in theaters.
The guy is doing an incredible job!
I was just thinking the same thing
Not once has Marvel let a Directors cut happen.
Even though Strange doesn't remember Peter Parker, his interaction with him changed his heart in a fundamental way that still holds true. America triggered a similar response that even Strange didn't understand, you can see it in the scene when she hugs him.
Thought the same thing, this is the follow up to No Way Home that sets up why this Strange is different from all the others we see in this film, why America trusts him. Did we forget why Strange helped Peter in the first place, how proud he was when he came back from the mirror dimension to find out Peter found an alternative way to help the villains that he said the same line about; eg. Their sacrifice is infinitely more important in the grand calculus of the multiverse. Peter is the becaon of hope in the MCU, he will never sacrifice anyone, he never uses the "ends justify the means" aproach.
Strange may not know Peter, but he knows Spiderman. He knows he helped Spiderman, those events didn't get erase, they're just modified memories. The growth and experience he had is the same.
Strange is constantly reminded and challenged throughout the film on his ideals, about being the man holding the knife. Asked if he's really happy. That the decision he made in Infinity War was another sacrifice he justified as the only way to succeed, a sacrifice he knew would lose Tony, to save half the universe in the long run. He didn't think about the consequences that would cause to the people who got snapped or the people who weren't snapped. He thought, the ends justify the means, as did the Strange who used the Dark Hold to beat Thanos.
That's actually a really good point. It explains why he visibly restrained his frustration with her in one of the later scenes. Thinking back, I'm surprised he didn't say "you're just a kid" to her in that moment, which was good, because it meant he had already learnt to try and be more tolerant rather than using her a a Peter surrogate.
agreed to you and to both commenters under this thread! but once again id like to have seen this development a little more explicitly in the film- doesnt have to be through dialogue or even a fully fleshed out scene; this is film after all. even something similar to a shot focused on communicating these emotions would have worked (eg; a close up of America through Stephens eyes). i dont know, it could have been better. doesnt mean its not there though!
yes you are right
Dr strange was the one of the most real looking movie. If dr strange was in the real world this is how it would have played out
I agree with a lot of what you've mentioned here, for example, I felt that America really needed more scenes before she met 616 Dr Strange. Nothing as elaborate her first scene, just a few short ones to show that she met more than one Strange, showing the pattern of (what she saw as) betrayal from each one, but also showing how and why she trusted each one in spite of the "betrayals". That would've better shown why she was so easy to allow her to trust, but it would also show how frequently that bond would've subconsciously developed due to the dreams=multiverse windows plot point.
However, I don't agree with your take on Strange discovering Wanda was the one after America being too soon. When it clicked for him in the film, I literally relax with the relief of knowing that it wasn't going to get drawn out to the end of the first act. However, I recognise there there are two reasons for me feeling that way. 1) Encountered too many rumours revealing that she was the villain, 2) The conversation between Strange and Wong _before_ he went to visit Wanda telegraphed that this was the case. While I suspect I would've been slower on the uptake had Wanda's role in the film hadn't been spoilt for me over a year ago, I can't deny that I was so happy that it wasn't a "secret baddie, who is it?" story for over 30 minutes.
In a more direct defense of what came after the reveal, it allowed the film to focus very quickly on showing us why Wanda was to be feared instead of sending more minions while she feigned ignorance, which is turn would have risked making her a less sympathetic antagonist and potentially ruining her character arc which was the strongest arc in the film. While I agree that Strange needed more attention, I disagree that it should come at the risk of Wanda's story.
As for the Illuminati, the issue there is that they came out of no where. The concept of that collective needed to exist outside of this film (I know it exists in the Comics, that's not what the film needed though). 'What If...' would've been a great location for them before this film. It wouldn't have to be the same Illuminati, it wouldn't have to exist in "our" universe, but they need to have better establishment for non-comic book readers. I like how Wanda dealt with them, I wouldn't change that, but it was too obvious that they would lose, because we've never seen those versions of those characters do anything, and the film already showed that different versions of a superhero can end up being very different in almost every aspect of their being.
Other than that, film was good. Could've done with Christine *not* delivering a 90's action film one-liner when she incinerated those ghouls. That was a real face palm moment that reminded me why I am never relaxed when watching a Raimi film. Great director, but he struggles to keep away from the cheese.
I disagree with your Illuminati take. If they put every single idea inside the What If episodes, then everything is going to be spoiled when these movies occurs. Also, they don't need to show all of those events again leading into the defeat of Thanos, because we can put the pieces together ourselves, based on what we saw with Universe 616. What If and Loki taught us that we can fill in the gaps for events we've already seen, up until the point things steered away. They told us what happened differently on that Universe 838. We technically already seen a good chunk of it played out, up until the point where Dr. Strange did his own thing and read the DarkHold and later wanted Illuminati to kill him off. And they showed us that scene. MCU is clever asf. We already seen the other stuff played out.
While I do agree with you, there is one detail that I found that changes everything. When the book of vishanti is destroyed, a single page flies out and on in we see America Chavez’s star on the page suggesting that she is what the book created to be the single thing to help doctor strange, the reader, to beat his foe. Meaning that’s the reason he realized she was the key to it all and that’s why he told her what he did in the end.
Good one buddy
We can change the name of the movie to "America Chavez and her star shaped portal"
@@guptaaasheesh Hey omggg you are right! and i noticed that too!!
I feel like one of the things that ultimately affected this movie was this: people love Wanda. She's a very established and beloved character that even has her own Disney plus show, so of course her main victims would be lesser known characters that we, as an audience are "willing to lose", she's the antagonist, but Disney doesn't want us to end up going against her, not only for the sake of an understandable villain, but also because they have other things weighing in on people still liking her.
I feel that Captain Carter was killed so we could hate Wanda a bit but not too much, like, she was a beloved character, not at the level Wanda, Wong or Steven are, but definitely more than any other iluminatti
Honestly, I loved the movie, but maybe i'm biased cuz Dr. Strange is a favorite, and this was my first movie in the theaters in a few years🙏
Honesty Dr strange fans should be hating this movie bcuz this movie nowhere shows that this movie is actually about strange , he isn't focused character, story isn't revolved around him and he doesn't even beat main villains instead it felt like movie was only named doctor strange so they can give a whole story arc to Wanda and chavez through him , cuz their solo movie wouldn't have been as successful as doctor strange name on the title .
Thor is my favorite but I still loved this movie
But they nerfed him too much
@@sugc3209 i do like the movie cuz this was my first movie in a few years but i do hate some parts especially the part when strange was teaching chavez
@@gibb_dogg yeah but can you imagine if in Ragnarok Thor was just a plot device to make a whole movie story arc about hulk , Thor fans would have lose their mind if story was revolved around hulk and Thor was just a plot device in his own freaking movie.
I have a theory on why Strange cared so much about America... Remember Donna, Strange said Donna Fell through ice. And he said that he tried everything to save her (or something like that). But my theory is that America reminds Strange about Donna, plus America's portal on the outside looks like ice, and he dreamed of her falling through her portal, as soon as she goes through it, Strange wakes up. As he thought that that was a nightmare of Donna drowning. And Strange tries to protect her for the rest of the film.
If it is true, should have established this connection visually rather than foreshadowed dialogues,it could have helped to connect emotionally to the plot and characters.
but like marvel needs to show more of what they mean. How do they expect us to know everything before hand.
@@AK-vj9uu true, it's like they just threw out some dialogues and expect people to just imagine it
I think the focus WAS on strange. It was a story of how everything was telling him to take her powers and kill her. It would have been WAY easier if he listened to his dreams and took her power as soon as he realized the danger. By the end he realizes he doesn't NEED to be the one "holding the knife" because he's learning to trust and rely on others, which he hasn't done much in the mcu before. Even in infinity war, with Tony taking the lead, strange was in the background manipulating Tony and time
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Eh, I still think the focus was more on Scarlet Witch. If anything this was more of a Wandavision Episode 9 or something.
Agreed
Nah, he saw in the book that this power belongs to America Chavez and then only he told her to believe in herself.
Perfect explanation
I agree with why we care about our Strange, I believe he remembered the feelings associated with Peter/Spidey even if he didn't remember who Spiderman was. He does also remember America being betrayed by the Strange in his "dream" . It does bother me zombie Strange doesn't have any facial hair when Defender Strange did, still had pieces of his face that would have and ofcourse the ponytail lol.
Let's be real, the amount of cameos didn't really negatively affect most of us. Some things just lacked and weren't perfectly executed. It was a really good movie but not crazy good or perfect.
It wasn't really good or anything. It was decent/average at best.
Honestly I just don't like how Wanda killed two of the Illuminati and then instead of actually reacting to their closest friends dying right in front of them in a brutal way, Captain Carter and Captain Marvel just glanced at each other and then kept fighting. It really took away from that.
I really do hope someone from Marvel watches this video and reads some of the comments because there are some great ideas that can be used to improve future movies even more.
And the fact that Marvel listens to us and tries their hardest to give us what we want is amazing and for me is a big reason on why they became so successfull.
Actually if they don't do that their movies would not be watched by anyone. It's good that they are listening to their fans
I kind of like how Strange cares for America. It shows how his failed relationship with Christine and being somewhat forced to sacrifice Tony affected him. I think it connects with the are you happy plotline. It shows how his decisions affect him personally even though he knows its the right choice. He's a tragic character because he's constantly forced to make the hard decisions. And now without a world to save. His feelings are catching up with him. Also, when will we get a BW breakdown?
but there is nothing new in it. Spider-Man has already proved him that
Okay now what is BW? Nothing is coming to my mind
@@dinelperera412 BW is Black Widow!
@@maddiegerber oh yeah that film. I forgot that it even existed lol
Thank you
Doctor Strange: *gets third eye
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Nice one😂
This Canadian lad is not just a Marvel fan who goes around making videos on it and making fan theories, this guy actually understands movies and is really great movie critic actually. It's probably the best review of this movie I have seen on the internet and the whole review kind of makes sense. Great video mate, keep going.
I agree that Scarlet Witch's character was well written. It felt like a Scarlet Witch movie. I mean like he mentions Dr Strange's story was underwhelming - his relations, powers etc. Many people think that there should have been more of Christine and Strange but I believe if Strange developed a guardian arc with America, that would have also been good. My biggest problem with the film is that it is Wanda's paradise. What I mean is that she is so powerful that she is getting everything she wants and is even stopped by only herself. I think that Strange should have had a bigger role in the final battle and he should have been the one to bring Wanda down to her knees (After all it was his movie). Lastly, even though I liked it, Strange using Darkhold to dreamwalk came out of nowhere. In the entire movie he was chasing the Book of Vishanti and suddenly focus is changed to Darkhold
I still think the movie is good but not what I wanted
8/10
Strange had to dreamwalk using the darkhold because there was no other way to go to the main universe....The book of vishanti you are talking about was destroyed by Wanda, in the scene they found it. It burned to ashes....
Strange had to dreamwalk using the darkhold because there was no other way to go to the main universe....The book of vishanti you are talking about was destroyed by Wanda, in the scene they found it. It burned to ashes....
More like 5/10
It should have been "Wanda Maximoff and dr Strange in the multiverse of madness" I am a dad and can relate better to succumbing to madness when protecting my family, rather than the multiverse. It`s more relatable. Strange`s arc was well written. But the entire time, he was a plot device. I kept expecting the movie to explain, how the psychosis happens, when she as the most powerful character, who knows "the rules" doesen`t know, what the audience knows all the time, that in that parralell universe, is also a parallel version of herself, who is the mother of Billy and Tommy. I think, the scene that would have made the movie perfect, is if the Darkhold had deluded her into seeing that her parallel self died, when she actually didn`t. When reading the interviews with Elizabeth Olsen, it`s clear, that she was reluctant to agree to do it, because they reduced and dumbed down her character, who she cares about to just "she had psychosis" but then agreed, when they convinced her, and probably offered money. She made it work by acting the hell out of it. But the interesting word in the title was "madness" it was Wanda`s madness, that wasn`t explored more than just, "a crazy woman". Missed opportunity.
The writers said Dr Strange would be in his strongest form , but that was a lie . I thought he would have some moves in his sleeves , like in the comics he went toe to toe with Wanda , but it didn't happen that way
Something to take into account is that the events of NWH for Strange go beyond him being willing to to the villains die, because he also saw Spider-man find another way by curing the villains before sending them back. He saw the kid he underestimated prove him wrong by changing their fates, by saving the villains as well as making the sacrifice that saved the multiverse.
Also, there's a difference between letting someone die and killing them yourself. Just because Strange was willing to let Tony and Peter die for the time stone (which is debatable if he truly meant it at the time) doesn't mean he'd be willing to kill Chavez himself. I believe it's consistent to his character and growth as we've seen it to not automatically be willing to murder a child, even if it meant immediately securing the multiverse's safety (especially if there's another way)
Doctor Strange 1 had that powerful line about him having sworn an oath not to kill. He saves people. While he does lose himself in the bigger picture, at his core he is a moral character. Killing an innocent child when there is any alternative at all is not his style. It's not like Infinity War, it is not like No Way Home. This was a personal proving ground for him after what he learned from all his previous adventures in the MCU.
Yeah people i guess fitting in with the movie people seem to forget strange was part of no way home and saw the Peters do what strange thought was impossible by saving the villain before sending them home
@@yoursonisold8743 exactly. He said it himself there was no other way in Infinity War. But he wouldn't cold bloodedly let Chavez die
Also, if i remember correctly Stephen was gutted with himself for having to kill a person in the first movie.
I’m grateful a discussion can be had about this, instead of just feeling like they can’t make improvements.
I agree with some of what was stated in the video, but the whole “first act dislike, third act like” thing is pretty common. It was good to see something else. In my opinion.
It's called character growth. Steven has grown as a character to change from his cold, heartless calculating of what he considers to be the greater good to understanding that it is equally important (if not more important) to do things the most right way possible rather than trying for a mathematically-equitable result. That means that it's not just saving the world but also how you save the world that really matters. That's the lesson that Peter tried to teach him in No Way Home. In the 3rd Spider-Man installment, Steven was satisfied with sending the villains back to their respective timelines despite knowing that they will promptly he killed in order to save his own timeline. But it took the willingness of a teenager from Queens to show him that there is significantly more to being a hero. That's why Steven cared about the wellbeing of an innocent teenage girl whom he had just recently met. That's why he was willing to gamble on her rather than sacrifice her just because the math works out. And that's why we care about our Steven Strange so much more than his variants. He's the only one who is willing to care when every other Steven shown was focused solely on the "grand calculus." Does that answer your question?
Watching this movie in 4DX has to be the best movie experience I’ve ever had.
ok ngl i dont know what that means
@@MrNotAGamer 4dx is when the seats are shaking in action scenes or when it pours water onto you on scenes where water is involved etc
agreed just watched it yesterday in 4dx. Gotta admit its #1 when it comes to 4dx movies already.
@@MrNotAGamer Its like being in a movie. the theater uses ur senses to make them feel the same thing from the movie
Exactly
I get what you're saying, but to me it just makes sense that he is not willing to sacrifice more people. It is a part of his development, and now, as he does not have the time stone he cannot be sure about what decision to make. I think this is the development we are getting. I get it that he is cold and calculates everything, but it makes everything more personal to the audience if the gets attached to people.
But the thing is, why would he save her at the cost of possibly trillions of lives. He met her a day ago, and cares for her more than the universe?? Had it been Christine, Wong or even Peter Parker, it would have kinda made sense.
@@mycricketingworld5328 i think he is saving chavez at first not because he cares for her but if wanda gets chavez she's gonna mess up the multiverse.
@@mycricketingworld5328 What else is he supposed to do tho? He can't just kill her in cold blood that would be crazy. In both scenarios (caring for her or caring for the multiverse) he would need to keep Chavez away from Wanda. I don't see how this changes anything from the movie besides a couple lines of dialogue.
@@mycricketingworld5328 this was already covered in no way home.
He was ready to kill the entire sinister 5 with no hesitation.
Peter made him understand you have to at least try.
do you guys not watch all the movies?
@@Omar-cm5pb and most important of all, Peter regained the respect of Strange by, without even blinking, suggesting to redo the spell. Strange may have forgotten who he is, but subconsciously... that was the vibes I got while I watched the film.
You said, “It felt weird that our Stephen who was literally ready to sacrifice Tony or Peter if it meant saving the universe, now all of a sudden cares about a kid he only met yesterday.” It’s been several years since he said that. It’s part of his character arc. He’s grown since then, as a person. This film demonstrates by the end how he’s become less arrogant and selfish, and more selfless and trusting in his peers. The whole point of this story is planted when Nick asked him if his choices in Infinity War was really the only way. Making him wonder if the choices he’s made were really the right ones. Then the film drives that point home when Christine says, “You always have to be the one holding the knife.” He always had to be the one in control, he always thought his hands were the most capable. In the end he comes to a realization, and instead of taking America’s powers and controlling the situation, he hands off the knife. He trusts in her to do what needs to be done. Anyways, It’s not that he suddenly cares about a kid he met yesterday. It’s that he’s grown as a character.
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My only real complaint after seeing the film is that we missed out on what could have been the most epic fight ever to grace the MCU. Dr Strange vs. Wanda should have been in the third act. They still could have had the ending of the story play out the same way. Strange could’ve been defeated by Wanda and then we could have got the scene with Strange handing the responsibility to America and letting her do her thing. But I was just REALLY missing that fight scene we were straight up robbed of.
And in the end when America takes her to 838 Wanda we could have got another fight Wanda vs Wanda than 838 Wanda gets defeated than her kids say something that made her realise that she is wrong
i mean he kinda helped peter but messed up the spell and blames it on peter. i mean, stephen is the adult here
The most badass and epic fight could've doctor strange had harnessed the power of book of vishanti vs scarlet witch now that would have easily made it the best fight there has ever been in the MCU, but vishanti was treated the absolute worst, it was the most disgusting part of the movie to not show the most legendry battle after strange harness the power becomes a godly being shutting Wanda down for good but i know that would've defeated the purpose of America's power but it's not that she did all much of an impact with her powers anyways than freeing Wanda from the corrupting by showing her kids are fine, but at least it by showing that battle the movie would have received much more love than it did due to that legendry fight but welp what a let down
i one hundred percent agree dude
the movie wasnt perfect but it was down ryt awesome
@@casady2738 I agree. I was pretty confused in the theatre. The book of vishanti seemed like a dud. It just made a little “poof” and showed a star. Which I guess made Stephen realize what he really needed in that moment was America. But she didn’t really do much other than just open a portal to a place our Wanda had already been. That felt a little cheap to me honestly. Still a fun movie though, and I still enjoyed it a ton.
I mean, I get what you’re saying about Stephen not getting full spotlights, but assuming that America returns in later movies, she’s basically the black widow from the iron man movies and I don’t think anyone had a problem with that. I personally think this is a great way to introduce her into the mcu. I think Strange shouldn’t have the powers to cross universes, or at least not yet and him not taking the powers shows that he does trust someone else, which doesn’t happen a lot with his arrogance and shows how much his heart has grown in both the spiderman and his own movie. So overal, I think this movie was great. Remember that this phase is all about introducing new characters and a new plot to follow up since the infinity saga has ended
Exactly what I was thinking, thank you for wording it out!!
This movie takes the line: "Show not tell" to a whole another level
Can't wait to see what Ryan George has to say in the Pitch Meeting
Wow wow wow
You mean "tell, not show"
@@peterparker9954 I was being sarcastic
That Entire Line Starting At 6:38 gave me goosebumps why wasn’t it in the movie 😭
I think the reason he chooses to save her is because he fully believes that she can control her powers. It was shown in her memories that she can't control her powers because when she found out she had them, she ended up sending her parents to another universe. It is reasonable to think that reassuring her and giving her confidence will make it possible for her to control it. I think that if he had no other option, if he believed that she wouldn't be able to control her ability, then he would have taken her powers in the end. In other words, in the movie it feels to me that, it is not that he isn't willing to make the hard choices, but rather he no longer takes the easy way out. Because taking her powers from her IS taking the easy way out.
TLDR: He would have made the decision if he had to, but he didn't think he had to in that situation.
I see your points, I think you are missing a huge character development moment with Dr. Stange. As Christine says, he always has to be the one holding the knife. So instead of trying to take America's powers (like the other version of himself did) or some other work around to allow Stange to defeat Wanda, we get Stange growing as a person and giving up the metaphorical knife. Letting America take the lead was a move we have never seen from Stange. I believe it really shows how he has changed and grown as a person.
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-a fellow Canadian
no.. he has given the knife before in infinite war. one chance given to iron man and the others. no progression in strange stroy arc. pointless its a clear prop up for america who cares.
@@bradastra6111 I disagree. In M.O.M. they even hint that there might have been other options for Stange in Infiniti War/End Game. The Dr. did what he did to get the outcome he wanted regarding Thanos and the snap. (I'm guessing Christine factored into the decision more than we know)
In M.O.M. Stange let's America face the threat alone not really knowing how it would turn out. (Unlike Infiniti War where he knew the likey outcome)
@@masterb736 the outcome in endgame wasn't certain. We even watch in endgame strange pointing to iron man saying 1 chance. He gave iron man his trust, he depended on iron man decision on what to do.
@@bradastra6111 He did what he had to do to insure the outcome that he saw when he looked at all of the possibilities. And he, and only he, made the choice to set certain events into motion to achieve the outcome that he most desired. And he got his wish.
We know Stange is not above lies to get what he wants. I'm sure some of what you are saying is true, that Stange did trust Tony and others. But he trusted them to do something that he knew was a possibility.
With America, he had no idea if it would work.
actually this is a very good point! i didnt actually catch onto this while watching- maybe it could have been suggested better? either way, every scene with Strange and Christine together was fantastic. sparks flying everywhere
Have to take into consideration the movie begins he was facing heartbreak. He really wanted to tell Christine his feelings. In a way, the movie plays out with the theme. We have to realize our own personal feelings can do more harm than good.
In a way, have to look at the different versions of Stephen. They realistically taught him something. Because he was willing to sacrifice anyone to achieve a goal. Ultimately, he saw a reversal. He saw himself nearly sacrifice someone and die. Then saw a version, that despite being portrayed as this hero. Ultimately sacrificed an entire universe and died. The last one was showing Stephen unchecked and completely corrupted. While there was only one American Chavez. There were 3 deaths of Stephen Strange. It’s really coming to terms with his internal struggles with his feelings.
In the same way you’d see Wanda. She starts off dreaming. She then dreamwalks and is portrayed as a monster. But there’s that sentimental attachment to the kids. To which not exactly realizing the monster she’s becoming. Not until she’s given what she wants and sees the pain caused. She really didn’t let the pain of losing Vision and the kids go. It was meant to be a nice send off. But in reality. We sometimes let those feelings stay in and eat away at ourselves.
Thank you for this comment, I didn’t see it this way, so you brought a new perspective. Having said that, I completely agree with your take on Wanda and we can feel it too. Why though? Because we’ve been seeing her suffer since Age of Ultron! And then an entire show was made about her. So we literally got to see everything visually, it wasn’t something that happened offscreen. But if you notice in case of Doctor Strange, they’re mostly offscreen and the audience kind of have to catch on it. My question is, why not visually show it instead of passing that information through a few dialogues? Why not show us how much Stephen struggles to get a good night’s sleep? That doesn’t connect well with majority of the audience.
@@TheCanadianLad Agreed! This movie should've revolved more around Stephen than it did.
@Luke, Thanks to you too, for making me see this perspective I never thought of earlier.
@@TheCanadianLad Question. Could Hulk have survived his fight with zombie Wanda, since his body is nowhere to be seen?
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking about this 3 strange theory. Also during the defender strange fight in the beginning, I kind of figured out that our strange would stop using "it's the only way" or "there was no other way" in the end and actually contradict himself to choose another way. Can't understand MCU's lust for portals though. Tesseract, bifrost, space stone, sling rings and now an entire superhero whose power and job seem to be to open portals. Then there is Charlize Theron in the post credit.
@@TheCanadianLad they could make entire movie about Tony struggle in Iron Man 3, why not show us more about Strange struggle right?
For me the end of the movie was actually the greatest development for Strange, since we were told through the entire movie that Strange is someone who NEEDS to be on control. So in the end, when he gave the control of the situation for Chaves to fix everything, it was an awesome way to show us how much he evolved and understood that he CAN'T always control everything.
Ps: English is not my first language.
I always love when they develop a character further, especially one I'm already in love with, like Dr. Strange. Take Thor: Ragnarok for example. Thor as a character had no depth before that movie, and that was why I loved Thor: Ragnarok so much. Dr. Strange had depth, but was, and in many ways still is, very arrogant. That scene, now that you mention it, does show that Strange can set aside his arrogance for the greater good, which I love to see.
P.S. As I often say, language is not about perfection, its about understanding. Don't worry about being perfect with a language, especially English in particular. Even those with English as their first language, like myself, struggle at times.
Like the Ancient One one said to him "It's not about you"
Thank you! Finally someone who actually understands the theme of the movie and Strange's character development.
No, although dis scene showed how dr stranges character arc improved throughout the films, we still did not get a single glimpse of what dr strange is capable of.
I agree, kinda like how Tony grew as a character (Tony being a narcissistic man of science and Dr. Strange being a narcissistic man of Magic) from being self centered to ending his arc being self less by using his life to use the stones. For this one, it's as you say. Strange realized he can't fix everything himself.
5:28 Dude, that was the point. "You are always the one wielding the scalpel" it's called character development, and it's not a bad thing. Ironically, América gaining spotlight is still talking about Strange.
Also, I wouldn't say that we were supoosed to mourn the Illuminati, maybe Xavier but I doubt it. I think those scenes are directed so we are AFRAID of Wanda, how she won't stop for nothing, how corrupted she is by the book and his own greef. At that point people are just instruments for her, she turned a village into NPCs, the book took that to the next level where she will kill mercylessly anyone in her way.
yes I agree
In fact, I find interesting that the video said that we couldn't care about America (because you always need a previous film to care about a character, I guess that's why saving private Ryan is seen as the worst movie of all time, they should have introduced the characters in a previous film) yet you don't like that they tease us with the Illuminati serving as a tool to show Wanda's lack of mercy AND showing us that we may have a F4 film in another universe played by Krasinski. I know it's not the same because it wouldn't be the same Reed and we didn't get to know more than the fact that he exists before dying, but still, I think it makes perfect sense in the context of the MCU
You get it
@@danielmartin6887 the video is a very bad take
But I think what he's trying to say that the Illuminati dying did not really serve that purpose because we just got to know them. I personally didn't care that much for their deaths because I was like three characters were on screen for a minute and now they're dead.. Ok whatever. They'd probably counted on too much reliance on the comics and previous movies etc.
9:04 I think they did a good job with Peggy’s death cuz we know her from “What If?” And from the Captain America series so her death was much sadder than the others Illuminati members. Also she literally got sliced in half with the shield
I just wanted to give my theory. When Dr Strange first met Chavez, he asked if he already knew her and his reactions were like if he already knew her but couldn't remember all the stuff. Maybe all the versions of Strange are connected to each other and that's why he felt the same emotions for Chavez as Defender Strange did and tried to protect her.
Just my opinion though.
Yeah because he saw defender strange’s perceptive in his dreams
Not an opinion, it's a Fact. This is was they was educating us ever since What If and Loki. They all have similar lives, up to a turning point. Also, they have a sense of awareness, when they see another variant of themselves. Universe 616 Strange looked like he was going to take the same path as Sinister Strange, since he too lied to Christine Palmer about being happy, at the wedding even though he's not since she's marrying someone else. Its just that our Strange was then sidetracked by tentacle monster and he had to save the world.
Honestly, felt more like a scarlet witch fanservice movie than an actual doctor strange movie
True
Not at all. Calling it fanservice when it did such controversial things with her character is just shortsighted. Half the people were mad about her portrayal, so it cannot be fanservice. They took major risks with her. And just because the _antagonist of the movie_ got a lot of screentime doesnt make this less of a Doctor Strange movie. Wanda brought stakes and emotional turmoil to the movie, while Strange is the glue the keeps it together and changes the most during it.
Facts
Wanda in Multiverse of Madness ft. Doctor Strange
Fan service has nothing to do w controversial portrayal, it has to do w intent. And they intended for this to be a wanda movie/continuation from her show...not a continuation of dr. Stranges first movie. She drove the plot, felt like she had the most screen time regardless of portrayal. She was the hero and villian of the movie kinda like she was on her show. She heroically came out of her delusion and killed herself 😑. For God's sake strange dabbled w the "dark side", showed no character development as stated by GF when he decided to use the evil book although questionably for "good" reason. Strange is still not the sorcerer supreme and now clearly hes still an idiot as first seen in spiderman. A far cry from the dude we met in the dr strange movie who was chosen for his will, wit, smarts and cleverness. Btw all the magic dudes trying to protect their fortress from scarlett using their combined magic which amounted to virtually nothing gave me flashbacks of the earth kingdom warriors combining their powers to float a damn pebble from the last air bender movie 🤦🏾♂️😑.
For me, the only thing missing was a huge fight between Wanda and Strange. That's what I wanted the most honestly but I loved the film so I can't complain
Given how wild Wanda is in the movie I’m not sure it’d be much of a fight.
@@captainswagger2838 they nerfed doctor strange and made Wanda broken
@@tayyabarizwan1889 I’m not sure they nerfed him rather Wanda just had a year of studying of the scarlet witch handbook under her belt. Learning how powerful she really is.
@@tayyabarizwan1889 because he ain't the sorcerer supreme
@@captainswagger2838 Yes but atleast after strange got hold of the vishanti, they could've had a proper fight.They made a big deal of that book only for it to be taken care of by wanda in milliseconds??!
We did get to see the growth of Dr Strange in this movie. In Infinity War, he was ready to trade lives for the greater good. But he was not willing to do so in this one. The fact that he didn't need to think it over in itself shows that he has grown. Also he witnessed what Defender Strange tried to do which also affected his decision to protect America Chavez. Irrespective of whether we liked America, Dr Stange's motive to protect her was a decision he made on his own.
This is also highlighted in the movie when America says "This Strange is different" & that he can be trusted. Professor X also gave him the benefit of the doubt knowing what a Dr.Strange is capable of.
Him, saying that in Infinity War was also very confusing. After his first movie, we didn't expect him to say something like that. People were like: "Dude needs to chill".
Looks like they just threw that in because they didn't know what to do with him in his sequel other than him, being a dck again to humble him down again and start caring.
Kind of disrespectful to his origin movie.
No he just saw a glimpse of the paoer in book of vishanti Which had a star so he knew it was America
Here's my perspective. Dr. Strange kind of lost himself in all the grand calculous of the multiverse stuff. In the first Dr. Strange movie we had that powerful scene after the battle in the sanctum where Strange is upset and yelling about how killing a man wasn't something honorable. Then, in Infinity War and Endgame we see Strange sacrificing others because "it was the only way". Then again in No Way Home it was "their sacrifice means far more than their lives" without even the platitude of it being the only way.
In Multiverse of Maddness, we met 3 other Stranges. The first Strange, when backed into a corner, tried to make the "your sacrifice means far more" play, and our Strange was forced to helplessly watch himself try to sacrifice America in a dream. Right before swallowing a heavy dose of the unintended consequences his choice to sacrifice people to Thanos, no less. The second paved the way for an idyllic world by defeating Thanos through great personal sacrifice, though that also had unintended consequences for another universe. The third Strange was the evil Strange left stewing alone in his Sanctum because he sacrificed his entire universe for personal gain.
In the end, Strange's hero's journey in Multiverse of Madness was about striking a balance where he wasn't shouldering the burden alone, but he wasn't asking other people to give their lives for the cause, either.
This was exactly how I felt watching this film. I thought it was actually quite a powerful character arc for our Stephen to go through, and of course he was only going to learn this lesson from other versions of himself, kinda like Loki. It shows how pretentious he used to be and how he has to rely on others now and has to become more of a team player. It wasn’t our Stephen who defeated Thanos, it was Tony. And at the time Stephen only trusted him to do it because it was the only way he saw it would work in 14 million chances, but now he’s learning why that was the best way. He’s learning that he doesn’t always have to be “the one to hold the knife”. Sometimes he has to be the one to pick up the knife and hand it to someone else. And he doesn’t always have to sacrifice someone else, or an entire universe, just to save ours - like all those other Stephens did or tried to.
The only complain I have is that I waited through the credits for a guy to stop hitting himself...
we already got one good pcs
Agree me too lol. All that waiting in the credit for that
It was 3 minutes and the all theathre started laughing, it was nice anyway
I don't mind, i mean i waited through the credits for The Batman only for a line text
Bruh same here 😂
I generally avoid writing long comments even when I want to because I somehow feel it is not that important.
But but this time I have to write it because this is the video which I connect the most while correcting the Doctor Strange 2 movie in my mind. For me this is what I wanted in the theatres.I wanted to see more of Dr Steven Strange,more of his struggle,more of his personal sacrifices. But instead of that Marvel showed me the struggles of Scarlet witch, in America Chavez.
To me the movie feels more of scarlet witch than of a Doctor Strange and I always had a complain about how Doctor Strange is always kept out of the plot just to explore his powers in his own movie. But the movie proves me wrong again because even if in his own movie his powers are not at all explored that well and we didn't even see a proper fight between Doctor Strange and Wanda with a lot personal stake because in every almost every scenario Doctor Strange is losing to Wanda like crazy.
With all this in my mind I hope with all the heart that this video really reaches to Marvel and they fix the problem as soon as possible and we hope to see a 3rd Doctor Strange movie with all his powers focused only and only on OUR Doctor Steven Strange.
Sometimes showing power does not make someone a hero, but a decision does.
@@prakhar_parashar Yes I do agree.
Maybe Marvel will listen to the complaints instead of supporting the feminist agenda of overpowering female characters coz they have to make money
See I love female overpowered characters. But I would like to see them in their movies... Not in Other's movies. That's seems a bit unnatural.
For me it’s just like, the whole plot could’ve been resolved by having Strange use the same memory spell we saw him use twice in the last film to make Wanda forget about her fake kids. After he meets America, he could probably even make it specific to 616 Wanda so the other Wanda’s with real kids don’t forget about them. Don’t introduce a memory altering magic spell then in the next film have the villain’s main goal be based on a memory without at least saying something like “the scarlet witch is far too powerful for my spells to work on her” and working in how she’s the only one who knows who Peter is in the next team up/spider man film. Idk, the entirety of phase 4 feels disconnected with no real path forward after what, 60 hours of content at this point? We’re building up to Knights and Young Avengers, but it kinda feels like they don’t know what to do with the characters from the Avengers arc.
I think keeping Strange's kinda evil side would really work perfect, like Wanda after the darkhold was destroyed, was devastated cuz she didn't remember the spells, but Strange has a photographic memory, so I think the last scene should've been Strange laughing maniacally cuz, Wanda thought she destroyed the darkhold but Strange remembers all the spells.
That's a pretty good idea for Part 3 may be
Bro that would be sick , i hope someone from Marvel reads this , Strange turning into evil would be sick . But it won't happen , but i want to see him overpowered
@@subojithaldar7879 you see anyone overpowered, they will kill em off. Like wanda
@@banhandleusernames Wanda is alive
@@banhandleusernames i dont think they will kill someone that’s very popular and adored by the mcu fans, i mean i like wanda (im not simping nor do i have feelings for her), i just like females that has badass powers
To be honest when I watch this Movie, I agree that this could've been better because you can't just add new character and expect the audience to relate especially to those who's not knowledgable about the comics. However, in the scene where Strange says what would happen if Wanda gets the power of Chaves, I think the reason why he couldn't said it is because he saw in his dream what the alternate version of his did to her. At least that's my interpretation in the scene. Also they almost got the book in the first scene so I assume that they already have a bond and when they failed the alternate version of our Strange used his last resort which is to take her power, also when Chaves used her power, Strange helped her to escape so I think that based on that our Strange needed to gain her trust.
This movie should have been released in two parts just like Infinity war and endgame . The first should have established Scarlett witch supremacy and in the second part of the movie Strange finds a way to bring her down . Eventually giving each character a more descriptive running time rather than telling context .
I think an underrated aspect of Strange's speech is that he makes America realize that she has unconsciously been using her power tactically this whole time. The supposedly random universe she went to, happened to be the exact same one Wanda wanted to infiltrate. I think it's a nice show of his deduction skills.
3:36 - While I do agree that there wasn't much of a reasonable base for America Chavez or the sudden rivarly between Dr. Strange and Wanda, I believe the reason strange doesn't tell America that his priority is not letting scarlet witch get her powers, regardless of her living or not is because he wanted to win over her trust. He was able to make out how powerful her quirk was and she told him how she already doesn't trust him because defender strange tried killing her once already. So it was more important for him to win over her trust rather than show his true motive of not letting Scarlet witch get her powers.
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Secondly, another thing that really pissed me off was the fact that we were presented Mordo of Earth-838 and not of our Mordo (Earth 616) who was already teased as becoming the villian for the next instalment as he took away powers of Benjamin Bratt's character. There was no sign of him and it was quite disappointing tbh.
this!!! this is exactly what i had been thinking during the movie. both the points
it was said when they saw 838 mordo that strange had killed the 616 mordo
Yes that’s exactly what Doctor Strange was trying to do in this film, but I don’t think he needs to win someone’s trust, especially those who don’t even know how to control their powers yet. As I said, they could have taken a different route. Where Strange wouldn’t be fond of America immediately, but slowly grow some affection towards her. That would have worked better.
@@TheCanadianLad but America would then run away
This movie was superb in terms of action scenes and effects, the story was too not that bad but they could've added some theoretical aspects of Doctor Strange of other universes too instead of just focusing on showing the powers and fights of both Wanda and strange. But with that it wouldn't have been worth watching it in theatres, in theatres it's much likely to see those fights and super natural abilities of our heros rather than understanding the theories of marvel with multiverses.
First off, we can put the puzzle pieces together from the Stranges in other universe because everything played out the same similar to Universe 616, up until the turning point, that they explained. Secondly, be careful because them putting a huge focal point on a different universe and then switching back to focus on Universe 616 can make you not care about any characters because how less of a time you're spending with them. If MCU was too do this, they have to get the timing. For example, when introducing the Xmen, whichever universe they came from, the whole movie can spend time on that Universe and their backstory and beyond. Then they get warped to Universe 616, and then the next movie focuses on Universe 616 again. All I'm saying is the focal point timing is critical for us to care about the story beats.
Strange felt like a visiting teacher to a school he should've taught in. There really was little plot on Strange through the movie. Even his enlightenment in the end, if it is that was abrupt. The part where he repossessed the dead, could have been explained better. His want to defend the Earth could have been shown better. And he could have been more present in the main plot. Is what bothered me
"You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!"
Ironically for me, a person who wanted good wanda out of this movie, it was her being reasoned with at the end that ruined it for me. Reason being that I had come to terms with the fact that the darkhold got a hold of her, and that it was a tragedy, but she was too far gone. The ending made it seem like we could have gotten through to her, but that she really was just evil from losing everything, which I just dont buy after wandavision. If they made it seem like she was angry that she couldnt get want she wanted, and destroyed the darkhold because of it, taking herself down as an basically suicide, it would have shown me that our wanda was truly just corrupted through no fault of her own.
But it did kinda made sense to me, she was doing everything for the kids only, they were the ultimate goal. That was the only thing which could make her realize what she had become. And it was really her own self who could have really defeated her ,as happened
u guys are the reason they are turing like this
@@dudeinspace1491 wdym?
It made sense to me that her kids reactions were the ONLY thing that could break the Darkhold’s grip over her. It took me a second to accept that Wanda was the villain as well. She and Loki are my favorite MCU characters. I almost wanted her to win and kill America lol
@@justineharper3346 exactly, just I also didn't want America to die
I think this movie had everything ; perfect cameos , amazing acting by the cast but it made some very noticeable mistakes like:
- they revealed wanda being the main villain waaay to quickly
- no mention of vision ? i mean i get it , it would have been hard to explain about him but its like they completely forgot that how imp vision was in wandavision
- they nerfed Wong and the Illuminati
- killed the Illuminati waaay too early , like I get it was to establish how powerful Wanda is but c'mon killing Professor X like that felt disrespectful. (also bringing Patrick Stewart who is such an amazing actor and giving him little screentime and killing him right away was kinda stupid)
- didn't give enough screentime/backstory to other versions of Strange
"Perfect Cameo" nah
Personally I hate vision, so I'm good lol
Also mordo got super small screentime, and his scene not that memorable, i mean is he also suppose to be a cameo too? i tought he was part of main casts. kinda dissapointed in that. I hope he play bigger role in 3rd movie,feels like Marvel try to make us forget that mordo still exsist.
I think wanda being a villain was already established in wandavision after credits but ya it's still very weird to show her directly like that
- yes it wasn't quicker than tony stark discovers time travel in 1 minute in the endgame - so basically tony has all the skills equipment's and knowledge in all these years so he is ready and capable to pull tasks like time travel in bare minimum time - so sometimes its an audience who needs to develop further back stories in their heads because movie runtime time will not be enough to show everything
- because it was not required i feel
- wong shown doing things in this movie he never did in previous ones, and wanda can kill cap marvel and thanos may be together and yes illuminatis is not a big deal for her
- because this movies was about doc 616 not other version
I loved the movie but I was expecting a lot more
Blame leakers
@@Ace-zo7fl means blame marvel tv spot
I was expecting that the plot of the Loki, WandaVision and WhatIf series join together for some "madness in the multiverse" but instead we got nothing from Loki, we threw out the whole thing that WandaVision built up and it just felt like a waste to me. Not saying the movie is bad but it was a huge dissapointment for me.
But I know Thor Love and Thunder with Taika Waititi won't let me down.
@@Ace-zo7fl the amount of cameos weren't my problem tbh and for many
@@j3htro203 You have yourself to blame for that and not the director or the screenwriters .
"You have to be the one holding the knife" is what Christine told him, and it hurt. The love of your life telling you you're a control freak, it's gonna hurt.
That phrase cuts through Dr S like one of his scalpels, you can see it. He's no longer sorcerer supreme, his decisions have cost the lives of his friends, he's no longer a stonekeeper and the woman he loves is marrying someone else. All of his decisions have led to this point where he has no control anymore, he has to reach the point where HE decides to let go of the knife.
I think MoM is a great film, it shows Dr S growing as a person, from his arrogance in defeating the creature at the start to his realisation that he isn't actually the one who can defeat S W. He's almost acknowledging that the (multi) verse doesn't revolve around him.
Dr Strange sharing credit in his own film is a bit like the realisation that Stephen Strange has that he's is a bit part on planet Earth.
Or have I missed the mark completely?
Peace out
J
I love the way you made this video. You criticized the movie but you gave some tips on how to improve it. You didn't completely roast marvel but still said what needed to be said.
I feel like that this stuff would have made the film a masterpiece but it also was a time limit given to Sam Raimi
Thank you for bringing the exact reason why I felt something was missing in my feeling of the movie!!! Thank you very much!!
I've got goosebumps with your extension to that "guardian" scene..
The points that you’ve mentioned are pretty accurate why this wasn’t up to the mark. Still this movie is not below average.
I disagree this was a strange’s journey in breaking his tragic cycle in the multiverse of continueing sacrificing countless lives and it’s a journey that started in Spider-Man 3 when he was refusing to sacrificing Peter at first cause he was just a KID and I think the incursion is caused by this strange breaking the cycle
you said what I feel about this movie perfectly. I like the film the way it is. I agree that America Chavez should have been introduced in a different way but otherwise changing the dynamic between Wanda and Dr. Strange to more traditional villain vs. hero would not serve their characters moving forward in the MCU.
@@jewelcrystal exactly and when you look at the comics Dr strange and Wanda kind always end up riding the lines of being a hero and a villain with there actions
Exaclty. It's no coincidence that the same line Defender Strange uses in this movie right before trying to kill America is the same line he uses right before he's about to send back all the spiderman villains to their deaths. Our Strange learned from our Spiderman that there is always another way, he chose to help them and yes it cost Peter a lot, but that sacrifice wasn't at the hands of others, but himself. He stood for something.
Cut to this movie, America, who is basically Peters age comes seeking help and he's hit with the same challenge. He is different, he is suppose to be "the best of us" as the Sorcerer Supreme stated in Strange 1.
That's a great point, he said the issue was more focused on Scarlet Witch than Doctor Strange and this movie could've been a masterpiece if it did focused on him. Where's the focus on Batman in the "Dark Knight" movie?
I loved strange from the beginning.And I'm addicted to him in every other movies seeing him with less emotions. Actually I like that quality of him. He can sacrifice anything or anyone without hesitation and without being emotional. Strange being emotional and Wanda being highlited (which is not the main character) made me not wanting to watch this movie.. 😐😐
My problem with the movie was there were many scenes where if the characters had just sped up, the problem could have been solved quicker. It felt like them walking slowly was just useless and just a reason to prolong the movie or make more complications.
I also found a problem with America Chavez suddenly being able to use her power in the end because of motivation? Every time things like that happen in movies, I just get annoyed because despite it being a movie where things are usually unrealistic, scenes like this always bothered me. Like they could’ve just had a scene where she learned to do it.
Another problem, Strange fighting evil Strange near the end was so anti-climactic. Evil Strange just fell and suddenly opened his third eye and nothing happened. As a watcher I couldn’t tell if that arc was supposed to end or if it would continue later on. And Strange just using the Dark Hold nonchalantly felt like a rush.
But I do agree that Dr Strange should’ve been the main point of the film and regarding Strange caring about the kid, might’ve been because he saw himself sacrifice Chavez in his dream.
I too didn’t feel anything for the Illuminati’s death. Even though I loved the cameos, it seemed like just a marketing tactic. Strange also didn’t care about anyone in their universe except for Christine so yes, I also think she should’ve been hostage.
However, I think a lot of scenes were executed perfectly. They manage to make scarlet witch scenes eerie and the visuals were amazing. Overall, the movie was still good imo.
And I was thinking if Shuri was a little bit faster while saving Vision without the mind stone then none of this would've ever happened
Honestly, I wholeheartedly disagree. This movie certainly has its flaws, but the whole point of it was that in almost every universe, Doctor Strange is the threat, not Wanda. That being the Sorcerer Supreme, being the ultimate power, ultimately corrupted him. That was the whole point of the question posed at the very beginning of the film. Was allowing Thanos to snap away half the universe really the "only way?" Was Stephen Strange's way, Stephen Strange's answer, the only correct answer to make on behalf of an entire universe? And whether the answer is yes or no, that is the question Stephen had been asking himself throughout this film.
Our Doctor Strange's hero's journey in this film is about him being tempered by humility. He's not the guy who gets the girl. He's not the Sorcerer Supreme. The most powerful thing he could do in the final battle is realize that he is not the answer. He is a player in the story. He is not "Earth's Mightiest Avenger." Because when he's the one in charge, when he's the one with all the power, it ends very badly, in almost every universe.
This comment made the movie 20% better for me. cant wait to watch it again now
This is how I saw it, great comment
This comment made the movie soo much better...
I want the Canadian Lad to see this comment
Woow u sure had the patience to write such a wonderful comment
I wanted to see a fight between two very strong being.
I expected to see a massive fight between The Scarlet Witch and Doctor Strange who was meant to be best of all sorcerers.
I wanted a moment where I could shout, 'Yes! This is Dr. Strange.'
I wanted him to utilize all his knowledge to defeat Wanda.
Maybe I expected too much.
dr strange cant defeat the scarlet witch, and i think that's basically the reason they didnt have a massive fight (along with the fact that wanda didnt want to kill anyone, she just wanted america's powers)
no you didn't.. was expecting exactly the same before the movie was released, but turns out Strange surrendered before even trying, and basically kept escaping from her in the most part of the movie
I was expecting the same thing, especially after watching wandavision and seeing the final fight. I was hoping that the final fight would be a big magic fight between him and wanda and strange would do a wanda in wandavision
Yea him defeating Wanda would be too unrealistic 🏃🏼
@@tedbludrek It could've happened in the final fight where he used corpse strange and souls of the damned to fight Wanda instead of them encasing her
Watched it on the opening day. 1 week after, I still felt that something was not right. Couldn't put it to words. Until you made this video. This was exactly the problem. I also felt that, after this movie, MCU was not moving forward..
I agree with you, for the most part. One aspect is that since Strange said that about where his priority was, he's since gone through a tremendous amount of personal growth. 14 million scenes in his mind, and giving up the stone was the key. Fighting with Spider-Man, to find out that he was right. So much has been learned since then, that he became the only version of Dr. Strange in the multiverse willing to make the move to give America a real chance. We don't just follow THIS Strange because we've witnessed it all, but also because we feel (and was proven) he is the best of his variants.
The suggested comment/scene you suggest could possibly have made it better, or it could have taken the edge away from the story for us. Less hand-holding, and more "will he, won't he" scene at the end.
I completely agree. The movie was great, but the fights between Wanda and Strange could have been improved. Making it a bit personal would have been so much better.
And yes, if a character's name is in the title, I would much prefer to have the movie revolve around him/her more than the others.
10:55 jumpscare by the canadian lad...
8:30 I Agree With You On This, If They Introduced Wanda A Villian After A Lil While Like After Everything Was Properly Introduced, It Would Have Been Much Better.
This was definitely something I discussed with my co-worker on numerous occasions about the various Phase 4 movies and mini-series: a) They tried to rush the plot points to make it fit into the 2hr45min/mini-series "limit" and didn't let the moments breathe. b) They tried to introduce new/old characters to make it fit into the story without giving them a plausible reason to be there besides "oh hey, they showed up because the world is breaking!"
WandaVision, Loki, and (on a lesser extent) Falcon & the Winter Soldier didn't suffer as badly because they were building upon character beats already established in the movies, but everything else just felt like it was just setting new characters up without giving any thought to why the Phase 1, 2, and 3 movies worked so well despite Phase 4 having just as many screentime as Phase 1&2 combined.
Because they were forced to introduce and create character growth in the span of 3 hours total, the stakes were much higher and more personal. Here in Phase 4 I feel like Marvel was depending too much on people knowing exactly what went down in not only the previous 3 phases of movies, but now also the mini-series on DisneyPlus.
If I hadn't seen WandaVision before this, I would've been so confused as to where these two kids came from and why was Wanda so fixated on getting to the, what would've been to me, future children from Wanda's dreams.
I really hope they start taking notes from their previous movies in terms of story beats and character growth, and make Strange's next movie really about him and not turn him into a plot device for some new character's introduction.
9:58 "she started like a kid in the MCU,became a hero and now an all out villian"
Perfect story arc explanation of wanda. This also reminds me all the memes of wanda and Captain America from civil war and wanda vision.
In addition to agreeing with everything you pointed out I also had a problem with Wong and the magic system. Two movies now have told us Wong got Sorcerer Supreme on a technicality, but it has never been explained. It makes no sense that it would be experience because Wong was already shown to be a sorcerer before Steven so in that case Steven never would have had the title (which they are inferring he had at Infinity War but I don't believe is ever outright stated). If it is based off of skill in the mystic arts I would like to point out that Wong lost just about every fight he was in (his only victory being a sneak attack at the end). My point is Wong was bodied throughout the entire movie, a little too much for being the #1 sorcerer (he even supposedly has extra books and still couldn't hold his own against the same threats Steven faced). Secondly, the magic system was way worse in this movie. It has never been clearly defined which I think is an inherent problem, but that can be worked around. Nonetheless, most of the magic was extremely derivative and was reduced to magic weaponry instead of cool spells that we see used in Doctor Strange, a bit in Ragnarok, and especially in Infinity War. I thought introducing the ability to summon monsters similarly to What-If was a cool extension of our Strange's powers but that was about it. The music scene was an attempt at introducing cool magic, but there was no logic behind it at all. Yes I know it is a movie and I should suspend my disbelief, but it just felt like a roundabout "ball-of-magic" fight (akin to the WandaVision finale) which means this movie checked both boxes of lazy magic writing: magic weapons that are just weapons and balls of magic with no real way to understand who is winning, why they are winning, or what is even happening. They did introduce some cool magic but it was all reliant on the Darkhold and even with that Wanda was still pretty much her same old red ball of magic flinging self.
TL;DR - Wong was underpowered for Sorcerer Supreme and the magic was lame.
To add a bit on the personal conflict: Strange giving Thanos the time stone caused Wanda's sacrifice of Vision to be meaningless (not to mention brutal). She could have also used this as a grudge against Stephen.
Wanda: "You took, everything from me"
Thanos: "You're barking on the wrong tree..." *points at Strange* "He gave the time stone to me, WiLLINGLY"
*Dun Dun DUUUUN*
in the movie she did, she mentions it
@@nofatchxplzthx oh did she? It seemed like she never directly blamed Strange for visions death, only that she had to sacrifice vision.
I TOTALLY AGREE with you it's all a bit messed up in a way we couldn't connect with it.
The movie is actually a good one. The fans including me had so many expectations like cameos. Which brought down the energy a bit.
However it lacks the purpose. They should have shown the various multiverse realities than just fighting for a kid.
What? Fighting for a kid is the purpose, how is aimlessly jumping through realities better? We got to spend time in three universes, that's enough.
If you listened what The Lad says, you would know what's the problem of the movie. Literally the entire internet is saying what the lad says here
@@FireJach Actually the majority that are complaining are complaining that Wanda and Steven didn't had a fight like The Watcher and Ultimate ultron in " What if ? " . The other complaint I see is people not liking Sam Raimi editing.
@@FireJach Actually, this is actually one of the less common criticisms / complains I've seen on social media. To list some of them:
- Too much "Madness" and not enough "Multiverse" (the multiverse was barely explored for a film called "Multiverse of Madness).
- Runtime being short / Character arcs not being fleshed out.
- Some issues with the writing ( Occasionally silly dialogues, Illuminati making retarded decisions, Strange's arsenal being nerfed etc.)
@@Mopark25 We know nothing about Earth 838 and Sinister Strange's world. They don't felt multiversal at all.
From the moment i saw the title of this movie, its posters and trailer i was so hyped about it and literally i wanted to see Dr Strange realising that Wanda was all behind the chaos and an epic fight scene between Wañda and Doctor Strange. I really hope the cut scenes of the movie is really worth it to have another perspective about the movie
I felt exactly the same! The stake wasn’t high enough. Not once throughout the entire movie do I feel that Dr Strange was actually significantly threatened by Wanda. It felt like I know the only thing that can stop her is herself. I know that The Incursion or the multiversal decimation is a big threat but as you said, it didn’t feel personal.
And the fight between the Stranges!? I mean, we started with the bending and transforming the world into a kaleidoscope that the Ancient One did, to “Dormammu I come to bargain”, to the brilliant fight between Dr Strange and Thanos, to the rise of Strange Supreme, to the epic fight between Strange Supreme and Ultron in Vision’s body with the Infinity Gauntlet.
But then we get the lackluster fight between Dr Strange and Sinister Strange? Just throwing music notes to each other! What!?
Im sorry but as a musician that music fight went hard...
I was confused by that fight and thought it was corny.
i mean it’s a great concept but i know that many comic fans were very dissapointed of the scene like we could’ve witness a universe bending fight between the two like we see in what if but instead we get music notes lmao
it was underwhelming really
Great vid as always. I think another part of the reason why we care about our universe’s Doctor Strange more is that he shares our timeline, on our planet, in our universe thus sharing our experiences (i.e. he saved our planet in our timeline) whereas America doesn’t share any of that with us, so there’s a big detachment there - even if subconsciously.
Answer 2- The fight sequences in CA:TWS were BEYOND good. Also, I really love the character of Bucky and how he was introduced in this film (when we didn't know he was Bucky). He is one of the most tragic mcu characters. The scene where he saved Steve was beautiful imo (yes I expected him to save Steve but that doesn't make the scene any less better). I don't even need to say this but the plot was wonderful, the Bucky reveal was too good.
I love seeing characters struggle because it makes them more relatable. Steve was also having an internal conflict the entire time, which made me like him even more than I did already.
Black Widow and Steve's friendship was too wholesome and tbh, BW was better in this film than in her own film. This film really nailed every single scene.
I honestly thought it was always implicit that he's doing all this in order to stop Wanda from accessing the multiverse and enslaving it. We did not *need* him to be that cold towards a kid being chased by monsters. Besides, this movie is about Strange changing from becoming a stoic hero who doesn't care who he hurts as long as the end justifies the means. He kept repeating that multiverse calculus line because his character is developing beyond that view, to start caring about people he works with, and to start trusting them to do what needs to be done. That it doesn't always have to be him "holding the knife". I thought this is a great movie, and I think you missed that the point of all the scenes you mentioned was to show his growth at the end when he trusted America to get it done.
This!!!
The illuminati wasn't supposed to make you feel bad, it's supposed to show how powerful wanda is
True, but the execution is really poor. If they want to show us how powerful Wanda is, show it after she survive from Black Bolt scream or show it after all the Illuminati attack her at once.
Lmao so true , people think this is a iluminati movie 🤡
Wanda does have a motive for hating Strange and a very personal one at that. She even referred to it at least twice in the film: her killing Vision was for nothing directly because of the action Strange took. And since she was possesed/influenced by the book it's clear she wouldn't understand his rational explanation that it was for the greater good. So I think that was the strifle between them that added some personal dimension to their conflict.
We love you a lot Lad because you always give us best breakdowns and theories.. 😘❤️
We're always be here for you..
for some reason, i'm so focused on Strange's character development that i did not realized others would see it as this way.
Yes, he has some great development despite not enough screen time with a movie with his name on it
Very well said.
It would've been a much more complete character arc for Strange if he had fully established to America Chavez and the Audience that he was prepared to sacrifice her if it ever became necessary.
Then, when he's confronted by Wanda, Strange could be more conflicted, having to truly realise that he's willing to take a child's life, which would give him more of a motive to try to avoid that finality, and to find a way to help America control her powers.
Then, at the end of the film, when America talks to Strange and tells him that she understands what he needs to do, it would be a lot more impactful watching our Dr. Strange refuse to go down the same path as his alternate selves, since we would have seen throughout the film, as well as in Infinity War, that Strange was fully ready to take her life.
As opposed to the original film, where Dr. Strange had 0 intention to kill America from the start, so we never had that "will he take her powers?" tension at the end of the film.
I agree. I kept waiting for the big bad or the big reveal. I was never scared and it never felt like our heros were ever in any danger. I feels like they spent two hours telling us that Dr Strange found a portal girl and another eye. I wanted the big Demon to show up and require a team up. That would've given some witch closure and maybe not have felt as rushed (witch turning good and America mastering her powers in just 5 minutes).