Why Dr. DOOM Has Been the MCU's Secret BIG BAD, All Along - Kang, T'Challa's Death, Hydra, and More!
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Doctor Doom is poised to be the next big bad of the multiverse saga...but what if he has already been in the MCU, this entire time? In this video we go through the timeline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and outline exactly how Doom influenced pivotal events in the MCU. SHIELD, the Avengers, Civil War, Age of Ultron, Hydra, T'Challa's Death,baron Zemo, and kang!
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Lee Mazzio and Ethan Lavinsky
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He has a great backstory. But marvel will eff it up by casting an aborigine to play him. Perhaps even a female one.
please this channel gives too many passes on terrible written movies and shows, dont use their scammy sponsor code and let these channels know that these shows just suck and recaps of them dont make it any better
Did he mean the machines that Ultron built? 13:00 He said "machines Doom built"
Great Thesis!! Very Intriguing to a person who does t know alot about Dr Doom. i really wish Disney would take the time to fill in all these plot holes and stories that didnt seem to make sense during the Infinity saga. I would be awesome StoryTelling tying together alot of these Stories that seemed to go unanswered since the “blipp” and filling it with Dr Doom Under storya d his rise would be a FANTASTIC idea instead of spending several yrs trying to explain it in saga 5,6&7. Use That time to explain how these universes are collapsing and the rising threat as we lead up to secret wars
Kang was a overpowered villain
They need these youtube theorists in a writers room. 99% of these theories are so much better than what actually comes to fruition.
It's almost like Kevin Feige isn't the Golden God they make him out to be.
But how can they promote identity politics?
You're definitely giving screen crush way too much credit
@@neonclouds9295 To be fair, they said "these RUclips theorists", not SC specifically. I took that to mean a consulting team made up of theorists like SC and others. I like that Feige is the constant for the entire franchise because with something this big, you really need that. But it's SO big that they could use a "continuity team". Who better than dedicated nerds who like to pick apart the lore?
@@maironamakesstuff agreed
This literally could be an entire origin movie for Dr. Doom. Make this his own movie and it would be awesome to have them weave the events of past MCU movies into this. See it all connected! This is how we could see our favorite characters/actors again!
That's the point of this video. You just said, "Do the thing the guy in the video already said!"
would be a great origin movie --> unless they go M-SHE-U Cartman mode TO make him a chic, and make Doom a gay, HaHaHa!
it would be a trash movie , this is why you're not a director and they are
I've been saying this, although with Apocalypse, that we should get a villain story arc, but you know nothing about who it is. Then boom. Find out it's a marvel movie
It would be awesome if the F4's intro to the MCU is as background secondary antagonists to Doom in his movie.
Also Victor could be Sonny Burch's anonymous buyer of Pym technology in Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Doom. Dooom Dooooooom
Yea I second that cos they never gave us who was behind it all
@@decypherdjabson1815 I think it was Mysterio
Was probably mysterio, one of the crime syndicates or the power broker tbh
I freaking love these breakdowns. It’s like listening to a “what if” episode as a radio play. Your enthusiasm is palpable
I agree it is definitely palatable
Yes !!
Their secret invasion one was too good!
Maybe they should take a page from Sony's book and give Dr Doom his own MCU movie covering his life up until he takes on the Dr Doom alter ego. It would work better since his story would actually be connected to the MCU
VON DOOM
Its the perfect title
@@HissoriRendaor just simply DOOM. Format wise it would be similar to the Hannibal Lecter movie (except written way better) and would be akin to a King Arthur story but evil. They can use more grandiose music throughout the movie and then can blast some MF DOOM at the end credits
@@kingbooomer9231 I was trying to make reference to the idea it would be an origin so the Von falls away as he becomes the Doctor
Love the MF DOOM idea
I don’t think the MCU should try to do anything close to what Sony has done. Sony can’t make movies.
@TheLaymanPang oh I agree, but I'm saying it would work better this way cause everyone wants Doom to have his time to shine and be fleshed out thoroughly. It would also have some sort of pay off cause we'd see him go up against the heroes in the MCU. Sony's movies don't work cause they make shitty movies that aren't very connected to each other and are missing the most important character of that universe 😆
Finally. A (random) RUclips content creator who makes sense & is well-researched. Not just venting & cursing for 22 minutes.
A lot of people are saying this should be a movie, but there's so much character building that this has to be a show
Why not both? A show to set the character building etc and a payoff movie after the fact. Maybe a reveal like the one of Thanos on his chair or something.
Nope it needs to be a series of movies with diff heroes finding there own path then come together like the avengers, THAT is why we fell in love with the MCU, and they could finally have a female hero(except Natasha and bw) to have their own character arc of development instead of a marry sue that can do anything better then anyone else 👌
@@jeffreyvandenabeel9400 which female hero tho ?
It would be nice if there was a show coming about Doom's origins. Maybe in the form of diares with witches and Darkhold and Aubrey Plaza as Mefisto preferably...
@@P.M_M dnno, kitty pryde, Monica Rambeau maybe ironheart I would like Monica Rambeau, story has allot of potential and could be altered if needed to fit a good narrative
I'm surprised you didn't add the footnote about the Doctor from the beginning of Wakanda Forever being someone from Doom's nation, and probably being his chief scientist who was out in the ocean looking for their own source of vibranium.
It seems like the only concrete connection there is, explicitly, so to speak.
Not sure if you’ll see this Ryan but you and your team are incredible. Great theories, amazing breakdowns, so much in depth knowledge. Makes every day a little better. 🙌
I am thank You, it means alot to me
Hard agree. This channel, and a few others, have published theories and potential story arcs for the MCU that would have been incredible trajectories for the multiverse saga. I rip my hair out over here When I read things like that from Bob iger who said "not enough executives on set" is the reason all of this MCU output has fallen flat 🤦 (Hint, Bob: STORY).
Dr. Doom almost needs his own movie to fully tell his backstory and motivations. Of all the projects coming up and don’t see him appearing too often to gain audience support of who he is.
It could be a kick ass series if done right
Doom needs his own trilogy. It should be how the MCU ends.
WOW! Chills! These were some great ideas - well constructed and laid out. Fingeres crossed that some assistant to Kevin has your channel on notification!
This entire plot. Your writing. If they do this correctly could save the MCU.... this was incredible and subtle and makes sense with no major plot holes. Well done.
I wish I had as much faith in the MCU’s storytelling as Ryan does haha. Great vid!
Do you think Doom should be the big bad of the MCU?
I thought your theory was great and it could definitely work if the MCU doesn’t rush it.
Edit: If they were going to make this work I feel like doctor doom would need his own solo movie
No just cold swapping villains because one failed is terrible and retconning events to say “ it was doom all along” is also dumb n desperate
True but you do have to admit he put in a lot of effort making the theory and fitting doom in the MCU
@@JonahBEYBLADE definitely but I think theories like this and other RUclips’s like den of nerds put out creates unrealistic expectations for these studios then when these outlandish theories don’t come true it’s “ marvel fucking sucks “
Yes
I LOVE THIS! We need more fan-fiction/what-if videos from you guys! This is so creative and my mind is blown!
What if Bruce Banner was the Weapon X experiment and we got Hulkavine
So grateful for the work poured into this !!! Thank you screen rant team for this inspired theory , i was giddy ! Lol
It makes more sense to have him as the big bad of next saga in a marvel ultimate alliance type of story then bring in galactus for a quick cameo at the end of the saga in a post credit scene and set up the following saga
I love it. So damn excited for Doom and I really hope that Marvel pulls a whole “Doom stops Kang in his tracks and becomes the main threat” shift
Wow. Good job. Appreciate the work that was put into this.
It is important to remember the before the modern origin story of Kang, in the earlier appearances it was implied that Kang was just an older version of Dr Doom, or maybe was either his father or descendant. It wasn't not until after the introduction of Nathanal Richards, Reed's father, that it was revealed that Kang was a Richards and not a Von Doom.
This. Theory. ROCKS.
Especially love the idea that the Ultron bots became Doombots.
It can work but at some point marvel needs to let things be separate concepts. Doombots are doombots and Ultron was Ultron. Hank Pym was a genius scientist too, Doom wouldn't borrow others genius that would admit defeat and his ego wouldn't allow that. He could build doombots better than Ultron bots. Like Dr strange eye of agomotto being separate from the time stone. I didn't like they merged them making the eye useless in new fans eyes. Just my thoughts but I do agree that it would fit in the MCU and work. But would Dr doom really do that? We won't get Ultron fighting doombots if they are the same thing. It takes away from the marvel we know n love.
I totally get what you're saying. Doom is, indeed, egotistical to an insane degree. However, he is also pragmatic. He might repurpose the Ultron drones to take Latveria, then promptly melt them down and make his own. LOL
@@TheKnightArgent I get it and never meant to dismiss the thought. It's just getting old to me as a life long marvel fan that we can't have characters be themselves. We have to repurpose them into MCU which is one universe amongst the multiverse ya know. Ultron bots are cool but so we're the doombots infact doombots werent one version he made many different sizes, form and function differs based on the job. Plus doom made clones of him that think they're doom another type of machine. It actually takes away from what victor von doom is and has been to make him tied to Ultron or reliant on who built Ultron. It would be better but f Ultron came to Doom and had help with upgrades to defeat avengers. But again why would doom help when he wants to take over. I'm thinking beyond the current MCU and pointing out all the great ideas from comics we aren't seeing yet. That's where my head was at respectfully whatever they do ill watch and be optimistic n hopeful .
This sounds like the "Reverse Flash was behind everything in the DCEU reveal" that came out last year. dafuq
I'm at the point where I don't get excited for the mashups of characters or mixing three comic stories into one movie since the MCU might be destroyed then reset anyway. I guess it takes pressure off the changes made since it can be reset but also why care when it gets erased? I've been looking forward to the day we marvel fans can see these stories come to life and we finally do marvel short changes us . Doom and secret wars looks to be setting up a reset of the MCU.
@ScreenCrush I think this is one of Ryan's best videos... GREAT WORK!
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 this is by far the best theory that can work. I’m definitely going to plaster this on Twitter
This works! Ties everything in and explains some background events that had no screen time.
I heard “salvage all those parts from Age of Ultron” and thought “Doombots!”
I don’t usually comment but… 9:29 you hit pitch perfect plot points for these characters.
Totally love the theory and how it weaves together really well. I so hope they do something like this in the MCU.
Nicely put together!
This was an awesome speculative journey of the MCU... I can dig this direction of him being behind the scenes!
That was fantastic. Well thought out and structured imo. Far better than the drivel some of these shows and movies try to spew out lately. One of the reasons I like the MCU is that things are and can be interconnected and complimentary. You dont have to tell a whole big universal story in one movie because its already known.
There are SO many good Doom stories. The early Mark Waid FF run really reinvigorated the character.
Doctor Doom pulls off his mask to reveal Sam Reich
Waits a beat
“I’ve been here the whole time!”
I usually don't like theories too much, but I absolutely Love this one!! Only thing is, when they do introduce Dr. Doom it 100% has to be in his own movie or show! Thanx for what you do, Mr Arey! ...and Doug!
I do admire the effort you put into these speculations on behalf of Marvel. Of course the biggest question is, will Marvel allow Doom to keep his mask on at all times, or will it be popping on and off as quickly as Spidey’s and Tony’s do?
Great video and theory! Would love to see this play out on the big screen.
Thanks for such a detailed analysis. Top work
This would work really well as a limited series. I could not imagine all of this in a movie
Why can't you imagine that pretty hopeless
@@zaneoneill2045 🤦♂️
It can be a movie but it all depends on who’s writing the story and how it should be portrayed
@@decypherdjabson1815doctor doom doesn’t need a movie at all, he just needs hints or post credit scenes at the end of other mcu movies building him up
I'd down to see this ngl. If they do introduce Dr. Doom soon, I think they'll keep him alive after Secret Wars.
Right. Doom is not just the Big Bad of one Phase or even one Saga. He's multiple Sagas. Doom is the poster villain of Marvel. What Superman is to superheroes, Doom is to supervillains. As Ryan says above: Doom is the GREATEST supervillain.
@@BibleAlivePresentations agreed
Awesome Job!
Well currently I'm convinced that Loki will create Battleworld after the Kang's destroy themselves with the multiversal war however what if Doom is the real reason the Kangs die, taking all their powers, Loki pulls together what he can and Doom then uses his new powers to enslave him, and control everything it would then mirror in the comics where Doom used the Human Torch as a replacement Sun with Loki having replaced the Loom and everyone could think that Loki is the God Emperor when in fact it is Doom all along...
I love it, and I really want Doom to be the Secret Wars threat. My only overall concern would be how is Marvel going to show all that you have explained in a movie and make it work? It would need it's own dedicated movie, and it would be a mistake to squeeze this backstory into another movie like they tried to do with the Conqueror. There is a lot to unfold. With that said, it worked with Thanos. There wasn't any backstory with him. The thing they did right with him though was make him an immediate threat and showed how much power he has and how ruthless he is. Not sure how they could do that with Doom IF they want to play him as sort of a protagonist that turns antagonist.
A TV series that leads to a big movie about him could work
@@danielmibuulo658a big movie followed by this series. That would work better
Dr. Doom is the apex predator of villainy in the Marvel Universe. He will fight anyone, and he is most dangerous to anyone or anything that has more power than he does. His own power is substantial enough to pose a threat to anyone who might try to challenge or attack him, regardless of their level of power. He is the villain that all other villains should look up to...
He's the inevitability of relentlessness and cunning!!
@@beyond_the_tequila_rift3194
Yeah, he's the epitome of what nobody should want to mess with...
Absolutely correct. Doom is to supervillains what Superman is to superheroes. Doom is also THE poster villain of Marvel. He's not a jobber, not a one-film baddie, not a one-Phase baddie, and not a one-saga baddie. Doom is the GOAT.
@@BibleAlivePresentations
Well said...
The fact that lowly Doombots have given the majority of Marvel heroes a tough time means that none of them go looking to take on the genuine article. Even really mean dogs know not to mess with meaner dogs...
Incredible story crafting. Thank you!
Jesus this was scripted out perfectly, I was glued to my chair the entire way thru, bravo to your writers and presentation. 🤝👏🙌
Cillian as doom is such an great idea i need him
This is brilliant. Great storytelling Ryan.
👏👏👏Top Tier video!! We need to find some way for Screen Crush to get in marvels writing rooms. This was a perfect theory and would make so much sense and would be a seem less transition from kang!!
Bro you are by far the best with knowledge transfer man. Thanks for the hard work. Love the content
This would make a fantastic introduction of the character via a limited series on Disney Plus.
I've watched many of your vids, and i often have real problems with your takes. But this one is Great!. so great that i suspect it will never happen.
Dude, These concept ideas are GREAT! Marvel needs to hire you as a writer... and Doug :)
Yeah this guy break down is interesting description of alot of things. Thanks
I love it!, As an Artist, I was able to visualize the whole thing as you spoke,
Nice job!
Yo! This is dope. I wish you wrote for the MCU. Your story’s are almost always better.
I never doubted that Doom would be the Big Bad. I just thought that Kang would be a lead-up to that. Doom's ancestor is Dracula and I'm sure that would come up in Blade.
Ancestors since when?? I thought they were just enemies / neighbors (Latveria v Transylvania)
Awesome! I’ve said this once before, but you should be writing for Marvel Studios. This was put together wonderfully. Nice job.
This is fantastic. So much unused Sokovia threads that could make this theory plausible. Plus, it might lead to more Zemo action.
So ryan wrote this video? Great job. My guess is that whenever he doesn’t mention the writer at the end it means that he wrote the whole thing. One more reason to love this dude even more.
Great breakdown, without spoiling too much.
I’m glad your back Ryan
Nice one!
Such an amazing channel.
Disney really needs to run with this.
That was a great theory! I hope we see that flashback in a Doom special presentation so that they won't fast forward it in the movie
Great video!!!!
Great video. I’d had some similar ideas but this is way more detailed and makes loads of sense, tying up quite a few loose ends as well. Question is how do they execute this? I almost think a four part Books of Doom Disney+ special could be the way forward, maybe dropped between Avengers 5 and 6..? Doom could be revealed as the big villain at the end of 5 and then we take a pause from everything else in between those movies to tell his full backstory.
Whoa.😳
Awesome video.
I came here for Doug. Then, again and again, I am captivated by your mind-blowing power for storytelling.
Amazing. I need this to be real. Well played, Ryan.
You give good theory, my man! I dig it!
Kang is just more interesting imo for now! Would be so sad if we don't get to the conclusion of the current saga. The whole story is so intricate and well-thought, it's so sellable - the kind that ages like fine wine.
Im assuming referring to the current as saga "sellable" is sarcasm. Lol. If not, read this comment in 3 years and see if it ages like fine wine!
amazing ideas 🙌
a scene of young reed and young doom would be such a great introduction into secret wars
Great work and a big reason I definitely appreciate it is because I wrote a fantastic four movie treatment in college were (coincidentally, or just common comic knowledge creative sense) I too included Doom’s Time platform as a way he traveled to the future and fix time,haha! I wish Disney’s writers read more comics.
This actually sounds awesome and good!! I like it
You had me at the Sally Field quote in the Thumbnail!
This sounds wild and improbable but then I remembered that it is DOOM and nothing is beyond his control.
Good heavens!!!! That would be amazing to see. It would need to be a Series with a high budget to pull off... But definitely doable and lots of cameos with other high profile actors to better sell it.
The MCU needs to put you on their pay roll. That is a brilliant idea for Dr. Doom in the MCU and a good way to get everything back on track.
I like this, however in my own head, Klaw got his prosthetic hand from Doom, his favorite client for Vibranium. Doom bought the vibranium, but sought the Wakanda tech even more.
Also SHIELD was already aware that the Tesseract could open a gateway; after Rogers was unfrozen, in his debriefing he explained how the Red Skull had been teleported by it during their fight on the bomber, SHIELD then began experimenting with it. Hawkeye was only acknowledging to Nick that it was a doorway.
A pretty cool Disney+ should could be basically having someone in "the present day" of the MCU "putting together" this whole web, and each time they discover another piece of evidence (be it a photo of Doom with Reed, or a journal entry etc.) we see "the important stuff" in a flashback and basically each episode covers how Doom learned the thing(s) he did, has the power he has etc.
It could even be Doom the whole time narrating his own Origin Story to an Official Chronicler
You totally glossed over the brief clip of a statue in Multiverse of Madness, in the temple on Mount Wundagore, which was, very clearly, the inspiration for Doom's armor. It looked pretty much exactly like his Hell Armor.
How is no one talking about this?
Hey, truly want to say thank you for always making a better mcu
This is your best video yet! I hope Kevin Feige and friends watch this video and make it into reality!
It's hilarious how the same people who want to see the Fantastic Four characters in the MCU are also the same ones who know how bad the MCU have been and should not actually want that.
However if there was to be a remake of Fantastic Four movie shows and he shows up in a sequel movie (Id prefer none at all because there are so many other Fantastic Four enemies out there that need a chance) this is the basis of how they should do it: Make him the Doctor Doom written by Mark Waid under the disguise of that anti-villain, noble demon, well intended extremist that 60/40% of writers write him as. This way he can bring back two classic villain traits that have nearly been put in the grave: world domination and an evil laugh
It's so perplexing to me that one very talented RUclips content creator can explain such a great way to tell story in less than 30 minutes but the billion dollar industry that Disney and Marvel is can't make good quality 2 hour movies anymore.
Marvel should hire your team to write the scripts going forward. This is some great stuff, Ryan.
A+ theory, I love the idea of doom being in the sidelines all along.
Doom should be a multi movie spanning buildup threat
Brilliant!!!
I've been thinking the same thing about Doom pulling strings in the background this whole time.
I CANNOT WAIT! For him to get little to no character exploration and I CANNOT WAIT for him to die immediately!
Excellant!!! B Aries, you should be a writer alongside K Fiege!
Woh! That was awesome!!
This would actually be real cool. A whole movie dedicated to this would be amazing and a really unique addition to the MCU.
All I want to say is: the best way to introduce Doom is adapt Triumph and Torment. It begins as a Doc Strange story, ends as a Doc Doom story. Gives most of his background as flasbacks, but would establish him as being there the whole time.
That was awesome!
25 minutes and then I remembered you and I care about these stories way more than the studios do now.
I am surprised how you didn't use a single shot of Murphy's Scarecrow to show us Dr. Dooms proto mask / covered face😂 great work anyway you are the best
this is PERFECT. THIS IS IT!