Dawn and Terry sounded so much alike that it is scary at times. The key difference is that Terry has a rounder sound to her voice, especially when she belts. But there are times where I can not tell who was who (Sitting On Heaven's Door, the end section. I can't tell if that's Dawn or Terry ad libbing at the end). It would have been crazy to hear them on one song together as a duet.
YEA. They sound almost identical in their upper register tones except-- as you said --- Terry's voice is fuller/has more weight & has more vibrato. And her lower notes are more fleshed out & solid than Dawn's. They sound like they're "genetic🧬 sisters in song 🎵 " 😁, the way 2 biological sisters 👩🏿🦱👩🏾🦱might look 👀 similar in the face with slight differences.
Terry sounds nothing like Dawn 👀. I saw them at #nkotixtapetour2022 twice this summer. They use Dawn’s background vocals to carry them. Terry doesn’t have what Dawn has. She wants it, but doesn’t have it. Sorry
Yessss! This is the content I been looking for. Dawn's got such a unique voice, and I agree that it's clear when her vocals are missing from the groups she's been a part of. She adds something special to all the music she touches! Hope she decides to make more things in the future, solo or whatever.
EDITED: I now think the whole group are lyric sopranos (Cindy being light-lyric). Dawn's voice is so beautiful. Her vocals on Don't Let Go are truly iconic.
Terry is a Mezzo-Soprano she sings alto registry in the group Maxine is a Mezzo-Soprano she sings low registers in the group. Dawn and Cindy sing all soprano and coloratura soprano notes in the group.
@@chooselove4307Apparently, you don't know anything about Terry Ellis' voice/vocal range? I suggest you look at live videos of her singing, "Don't Go", "Silent Night" live and the live version of "Don't Let Go Love" live on the Rosie O 'Donnell Show in 1997. Dawn has never sung above C#6 nor has Cindy. Terry is the only one in the group that sings in the lyric range up to a F#6 consistently and probably sings a G#6 as her highest. A full lyric soprano has a much fuller rounder sound than a light lyric soprano.
@@chooselove4307 Here's Terry singing their rendition of "Silent Night", where each member does a vocal break down of which harmony they are doing. Notice how Terry carries a very light vocal quality while on the top harmony. That's how flexible and agile a full lyric soprano's vocal tone can get;ruclips.net/video/Kkzjp59t83g/видео.html
@@chooselove4307 Here's Terry at her vocal best in the lead on her Hit song, "Don't Go". She soars to that F#6 effortlessly; ruclips.net/video/a49qoisqjMk/видео.html
As far as Dawn's highest falsetto note (in EV) would be on "Part Of Me" during the bridge when they all go higher and higher and higher. Terry is on the ultra top note, but Dawn is right below her (and that note is def higher than a C6), then Cindy, and then Max on the bottom (though she goes ultra high on the ending adlibs herself too). Check that song out...it might be great to ref for Max's vid as well. Just an FYI. But loved this vid and the others. EV is my fave group of all time.
You're very much welcome. I can see why people love Dawn (I do too), she had a very different voice in the group. It has an edge that made her standout on her parts. It was also kind of noticeable when she left the group (compare performances of EV's Don't Let Go, with and without Dawn and you can hear a major difference). Her voice was integral to this group, just like the rest of the original members. Thank you for commenting.
As far as I can remember there was not much to work with (her vocals overall did not leave much of an impression outside of Where Ever You Are), but I definitely may need to listen to it again before I do the reduxs for the rest of the group.
I will go relisten to that song. Thank you for saying something. I checked my notes and I did not have that song listed for anything, but I knew she and Max sung it. Once again thank you because I might have missed some good parts for Terry!
I was going to say something about this eventually. But yeah I agree. Terry doesn't mix (or prefers a chestier mix, I can't tell), so her voice comes off bigger and darker compared to Cindy and Dawn, and that maybe the reason for her slight decline in her overall belting prowess.
How do u know so much about this stuff?Its very interesting to me, especially with En Vogue being my favorite group of ALL TIME. When u do Terry make sure u get her doing the last verse of TIME GOES ON. She goes up an octave with each verse. The last one she kills
Thnak you for commenting! She does something in Time Goes On? I might have to recheck that song. Anyway, I basically listen to every song they made and look for distinct moments (in each register). And with a group as dynamic, and as vocally diverse as En Vogue (even though Terry and Dawn sound alike to an extent, their approach and style varies drastically). Terry will probably be the longest, because she has the most solos and lead song out of the group.
Dawn voice was amazing! I love all the songs she sung lead on. Dawn and Maxine vocals were everything in En Vogue, they haven't had a #1 song and no sex appeal since their departure. They were the funky divas of the group, and most stylish.
Christopher Willoughby I finally found the song! Thank you for the recommendation. Just listening to it, it sounds tight. As in in her throat. Also I am not the best at telling the difference between high falsettos and whistles, but once again that sounds very tight and almost strained. I will say this puts her around four octaves.
Couldn't it be argued she had the potential to be a Lyric Coloratura Soprano, but didn't have the proper training that Mariah and Debelah had. I don't doubt Light Lyric though. I was just wondering, because based off what she has shown she she fits some of the requirements. But like I said she never had what either Debelah and Mariah had.
I used that note in the video (it was the harmonized C6 here) thought Dawn was the top note. I also checked a live performance; Dawn was the most audible on that section, and the note was a C6. If Terry is the top then I will have to go check again (I haven't even gotten to her head voice/falsetto yet). Cindy did nothing but a G5 (it will be in her video). Thank you I have Terry Cindy's and possibly a group video left, so stay tuned.
I never really saw Dawn as a leader, but dammit I know she is now. Lol. Cindy always seemed very motherly so naturally the others would gravitate towards her. Listen to one the recent LIVE performances of the original 4 singing "Giving Him Something." When Dawn keeps going "shoo do do do do do...." I can't stand it
Oh yeah, I just notied the harmonized part. Cool. Yeah, Dawn is the loudest on that incline, but Terry is the highest (just not as audible), I believe in Part Of Me, Terry has the F6 (if not #), and Dawn has the C6, then Cindy and then Max. Looking forward to your Terry vid, she has such an awesome voice, much like Dawn's in fact, for the longest time I thought "Just Can't Stay Away" was Dawn's song. LOL! Always wished "Love Don't Love You" was Terry and Dawn on lead (in place of Cindy).
It's Terry on the F6. No other member in the original group can sing that high. However, former replacement member Amanda Cole can really sing notes in that upper register in her voice that rivaled Terry's coloratura notes in E6, F6 and G6 and probably beyond.
Yes she doesn't have the weight or timbre of a full lyric, it's just that juxtaposed against Cindy's very girlish timbre, Terry's voice sounds bigger than it is.
Like Damn, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Terry serves pure coloratura teas LOL. I wonder what she did on her solo album as I haven't heard it, there must be some more evidence there
I just finished listening to TIME GOES ON. The verse I'm talkin about is towards the end and Maxine actually doesn't sing anything before Terry sings that verse, but Terry sound spectacular on all four rounds.
For sure she's in TIME GOES ON. Maxine does the beginning of the verses and Terri come s in at the end of each verse with "Round and round in circles we go, will we ever stop nobody knows. Running with the hands of time - always reaching, still we seem to find TIME JUST MARCHES ON." She goes up and octave with each one. By the time she does the third one I'm like a maniac. I uploaded it on here with some pics
Dawn seems to have the least voice control to me but do u ever notice when they show them live about to sing acapella its always Dawn gesturing first and setting it off?
Dawn definitely had the least control over her voice. She had a few problems (her biggest was that she tend to get shouty on high notes). I think by the time she came back to En Vogue however, most of them disappeared. I never noticed that, but it would make sense. I always saw Dawn and Cindy as the unofficial leaders of the group; there are no real leaders in this group, but those two were more of the commanding forces when it came to performances and interviews, at least that is how I saw it..
Which one of them holds those really long notes in Sitting By Heaven;s Door? I figure its Terry because she ad libs the chorus before and after the long notes but Im not sure.
Never realized how much I loved Dawn until she was gone lol. Let's face it, no matter how we rank these girls it is like we are rating the 4 best singers EVER and anybody else comes after that!! Although My rankings would go - Terry - Cindy/Maxine -Dawn
Mine would be Terry, Dawn, Maxine, & Cindy. Maxine comes b4 Cindy cuz I prefer her tone, but Cindy always consistent with her sound, whereas Max was iffy live at times.
None of the were perfect all the time, but Dawn and Maxine were always on key most of the time. Nobody was off as much as Terry especially during their live performances.
@@chooselove4307 Terry was horrendous at the #nkotbmixtape2022 tour I went to 2 shows. I literally sat down when En Vogue was on. They ran Dawn’s vocals on tape behind their voices and on all choruses. Terry was off pitch throughout their sets, both shoes I went to. They are not En Vogue without Dawn and Max, but especially without Dawn. Free your mind they Piped Dawn’s vocals in so loud on stage, I don’t see how anyone who knew the group couldn’t tell….. it was awful.
@@MrsK976 You're correct! I saw some of those concerts online and they did sound horrendous as you say😆. Terry and Cindy both sounded off-pitch and their vocal tone was off during the concerts. Cindy voice was cracking when she was singing Dawn and Maxine lead parts, and Terry couldn't hit Dawn's notes and had no control of her voice. Dawn had the vocal range, vocal control, vocal tone, and she was pitch perfect. We all saw how vital Dawn's vocals were to that groups success after she was kicked out, and they have never had a #1 song or album since Funky Divas. I would love to see these videos of Dawn actually being a little off and not having great control of her voice as the other ladies, because they can never produce the evidence of that yet there are several videos online of Terry and Cindy being off pitch and not having great vocal control.
@@MrsK976 Terry and Cindy are 60+ years old now so their voices are not what they used to be. I don't know why you are talking about a concert in 2022, after 40 years of being in the business and touring, to prove your point. In their hey day, those two were the most consistent vocalists of the group live. Dawn and Max were not as consistent.
I never realized how much her and maxine are so prominent vocally in the group. They're voices are the most distinct in the harmonies.
Her notes are so beautiful high. I love hearing them.
Her vocals on Don't Let Go give me all life. Her F5s slay
Dawn and Terry sounded so much alike that it is scary at times. The key difference is that Terry has a rounder sound to her voice, especially when she belts. But there are times where I can not tell who was who (Sitting On Heaven's Door, the end section. I can't tell if that's Dawn or Terry ad libbing at the end). It would have been crazy to hear them on one song together as a duet.
Cxxlmanproductions sounds like Terry and Cindy to me
Charles Turner it is
It's Dawn and Cindy
YEA. They sound almost identical in their upper register tones except-- as you said --- Terry's voice is fuller/has more weight & has more vibrato. And her lower notes are more fleshed out & solid than Dawn's. They sound like they're "genetic🧬 sisters in song 🎵 " 😁, the way 2 biological sisters 👩🏿🦱👩🏾🦱might look 👀 similar in the face with slight differences.
Terry sounds nothing like Dawn 👀. I saw them at #nkotixtapetour2022 twice this summer. They use Dawn’s background vocals to carry them. Terry doesn’t have what Dawn has. She wants it, but doesn’t have it. Sorry
Yessss! This is the content I been looking for. Dawn's got such a unique voice, and I agree that it's clear when her vocals are missing from the groups she's been a part of. She adds something special to all the music she touches! Hope she decides to make more things in the future, solo or whatever.
EDITED: I now think the whole group are lyric sopranos (Cindy being light-lyric). Dawn's voice is so beautiful. Her vocals on Don't Let Go are truly iconic.
Terry is a Mezzo-Soprano she sings alto registry in the group
Maxine is a Mezzo-Soprano she sings low registers in the group.
Dawn and Cindy sing all soprano and coloratura soprano notes in the group.
@@chooselove4307Apparently, you don't know anything about Terry Ellis' voice/vocal range? I suggest you look at live videos of her singing, "Don't Go", "Silent Night" live and the live version of "Don't Let Go Love" live on the Rosie O 'Donnell Show in 1997. Dawn has never sung above C#6 nor has Cindy. Terry is the only one in the group that sings in the lyric range up to a F#6 consistently and probably sings a G#6 as her highest. A full lyric soprano has a much fuller rounder sound than a light lyric soprano.
Here's Terry singing the top harmony on "Don't Let Go Love" where she sings the F#5 in harmony in the bridge; ruclips.net/video/PjretEI0GAY/видео.html
@@chooselove4307 Here's Terry singing their rendition of "Silent Night", where each member does a vocal break down of which harmony they are doing. Notice how Terry carries a very light vocal quality while on the top harmony. That's how flexible and agile a full lyric soprano's vocal tone can get;ruclips.net/video/Kkzjp59t83g/видео.html
@@chooselove4307 Here's Terry at her vocal best in the lead on her Hit song, "Don't Go". She soars to that F#6 effortlessly; ruclips.net/video/a49qoisqjMk/видео.html
Terry has definitely teased coloratura ability but I haven't heard enough on record to class her as such. I do feel she has the potential definitely.
Dawn last C6 was gorgeous
As far as Dawn's highest falsetto note (in EV) would be on "Part Of Me" during the bridge when they all go higher and higher and higher. Terry is on the ultra top note, but Dawn is right below her (and that note is def higher than a C6), then Cindy, and then Max on the bottom (though she goes ultra high on the ending adlibs herself too). Check that song out...it might be great to ref for Max's vid as well. Just an FYI. But loved this vid and the others. EV is my fave group of all time.
She belts a G#5 in Don’t Let Go at 2:11
Her album B4 the Dawn is great!!!
This brings out her finest qualities as an artist. I'd like to see more of this. Bring her music back.
that my twin
Honesty Love She really is your twin lol. Wow.
You're very much welcome. I can see why people love Dawn (I do too), she had a very different voice in the group. It has an edge that made her standout on her parts. It was also kind of noticeable when she left the group (compare performances of EV's Don't Let Go, with and without Dawn and you can hear a major difference). Her voice was integral to this group, just like the rest of the original members. Thank you for commenting.
As far as I can remember there was not much to work with (her vocals overall did not leave much of an impression outside of Where Ever You Are), but I definitely may need to listen to it again before I do the reduxs for the rest of the group.
I will go relisten to that song. Thank you for saying something. I checked my notes and I did not have that song listed for anything, but I knew she and Max sung it. Once again thank you because I might have missed some good parts for Terry!
I was going to say something about this eventually. But yeah I agree. Terry doesn't mix (or prefers a chestier mix, I can't tell), so her voice comes off bigger and darker compared to Cindy and Dawn, and that maybe the reason for her slight decline in her overall belting prowess.
I just checked over it again. It is. It's starts F#5 then jumps to a G#5 then back down.
How do u know so much about this stuff?Its very interesting to me, especially with En Vogue being my favorite group of ALL TIME. When u do Terry make sure u get her doing the last verse of TIME GOES ON. She goes up an octave with each verse. The last one she kills
Yep. But I have yet to get the last two albums of En Vogue, so both Terry and Cindy will more than likely be later.
Thnak you for commenting!
She does something in Time Goes On? I might have to recheck that song. Anyway, I basically listen to every song they made and look for distinct moments (in each register). And with a group as dynamic, and as vocally diverse as En Vogue (even though Terry and Dawn sound alike to an extent, their approach and style varies drastically). Terry will probably be the longest, because she has the most solos and lead song out of the group.
Dawn voice was amazing! I love all the songs she sung lead on. Dawn and Maxine vocals were everything in En Vogue, they haven't had a #1 song and no sex appeal since their departure. They were the funky divas of the group, and most stylish.
Have you heard Dawn's new album "B4 the Dawn". On her song "Talking Leaves" she definitely hits whistle notes.
Christopher Willoughby I didn't know she had a new album out. If I can get my hands on it, I will definitely take a listen.
Christopher Willoughby I finally found the song! Thank you for the recommendation. Just listening to it, it sounds tight. As in in her throat. Also I am not the best at telling the difference between high falsettos and whistles, but once again that sounds very tight and almost strained. I will say this puts her around four octaves.
Christopher Willoughby I think they are whistles but no offence to Dawn because she is great, they were really unpleasant to listen to.
+CY T because it was very poorly produced. She never referred to "B4 the Dawn" as her second album and if you ask her, she denies releasing that album
@@JLPerryTV B4 The Dawn was a solo/demo album recorded around 86/87.
Dawn Robinson meaning of a woman. Dawn sings higher than C6. And Cindy Herron is a high Mezzo-Soprano.
Cindy is not a mezzo😂 she’s a regular soprano and a classically trained soprano at that
Couldn't it be argued she had the potential to be a Lyric Coloratura Soprano, but didn't have the proper training that Mariah and Debelah had. I don't doubt Light Lyric though. I was just wondering, because based off what she has shown she she fits some of the requirements. But like I said she never had what either Debelah and Mariah had.
I used that note in the video (it was the harmonized C6 here) thought Dawn was the top note. I also checked a live performance; Dawn was the most audible on that section, and the note was a C6. If Terry is the top then I will have to go check again (I haven't even gotten to her head voice/falsetto yet). Cindy did nothing but a G5 (it will be in her video). Thank you I have Terry Cindy's and possibly a group video left, so stay tuned.
I never really saw Dawn as a leader, but dammit I know she is now. Lol. Cindy always seemed very motherly so naturally the others would gravitate towards her. Listen to one the recent LIVE performances of the original 4 singing "Giving Him Something." When Dawn keeps going "shoo do do do do do...." I can't stand it
I always thought Dawn WAS en Vogue. Without her, they just aren’t……
Thank you! I had the hardest time with that at first.
Oh yeah, I just notied the harmonized part. Cool. Yeah, Dawn is the loudest on that incline, but Terry is the highest (just not as audible), I believe in Part Of Me, Terry has the F6 (if not #), and Dawn has the C6, then Cindy and then Max. Looking forward to your Terry vid, she has such an awesome voice, much like Dawn's in fact, for the longest time I thought "Just Can't Stay Away" was Dawn's song. LOL! Always wished "Love Don't Love You" was Terry and Dawn on lead (in place of Cindy).
It's Terry on the F6. No other member in the original group can sing that high. However, former replacement member Amanda Cole can really sing notes in that upper register in her voice that rivaled Terry's coloratura notes in E6, F6 and G6 and probably beyond.
Yes she doesn't have the weight or timbre of a full lyric, it's just that juxtaposed against Cindy's very girlish timbre, Terry's voice sounds bigger than it is.
Like Damn, I Wanna Be Your Lover, Terry serves pure coloratura teas LOL. I wonder what she did on her solo album as I haven't heard it, there must be some more evidence there
That was the general line up. However they did alternate when a song called for it.
I just finished listening to TIME GOES ON. The verse I'm talkin about is towards the end and Maxine actually doesn't sing anything before Terry sings that verse, but Terry sound spectacular on all four rounds.
For sure she's in TIME GOES ON. Maxine does the beginning of the verses and Terri come s in at the end of each verse with "Round and round in circles we go, will we ever stop nobody knows. Running with the hands of time - always reaching, still we seem to find TIME JUST MARCHES ON." She goes up and octave with each one. By the time she does the third one I'm like a maniac. I uploaded it on here with some pics
that is Cindy @3:57.
+JLPerryTV Cindy is singing lead, I am was referring to harmonies/background.
+Cxxlmanproductions i understand and not to start a fuss, but that is Cindy's whistle note
Dawn is hitting the high in the background/harmonies while Cindy is doing the whistle note. That is C6 they are referring to.
Dawn seems to have the least voice control to me but do u ever notice when they show them live about to sing acapella its always Dawn gesturing first and setting it off?
no she have great control
Yes and they always called her "Perfect Pitch"
Dawn has perfect pitch! She hits C6 with ease!
Dawn has control & pitch issues & she kind of screams her notes sometimes instead of belting them
@Cxxlmanproductions oops my bad I meant to send that to a person below one of your comments
Dawn definitely had the least control over her voice. She had a few problems (her biggest was that she tend to get shouty on high notes). I think by the time she came back to En Vogue however, most of them disappeared. I never noticed that, but it would make sense. I always saw Dawn and Cindy as the unofficial leaders of the group; there are no real leaders in this group, but those two were more of the commanding forces when it came to performances and interviews, at least that is how I saw it..
It's Terry.
Wasn't the Don't Let Go high note a G#5?
Wasn't it like this??????
Cindy- 1st Soprano
Dawn- 2nd Soprano
Terry- 1st Alto
Maxine- 2nd Alto
highnote32 yes
Actually Terry and Dawn usually sung above Cindy.
Actually Dawn is 1st soprano. She sings above Cindy.
Terry Dawn Cindy Maxine
Dawn sings above Cindy. She can hit c6 et al. 🤦♀️
Which one of them holds those really long notes in Sitting By Heaven;s Door? I figure its Terry because she ad libs the chorus before and after the long notes but Im not sure.
holiday001 it's Terry
Rhona was only on one album and didn't really show much range (which was really lowkey and didn't do much for Cindy and Terry either).
I think Dawn is more than two Octaves . Some of her notes are not featured here
I have no idea how to do it. Please explain.
Can u make this video available for mobile users please
Lol that was "Runaway Love" not "Part of me"
EDIT: Terry is a Light Lyric also
What are you talking about?
Never realized how much I loved Dawn until she was gone lol. Let's face it, no matter how we rank these girls it is like we are rating the 4 best singers EVER and anybody else comes after that!!
Although My rankings would go
- Terry
- Cindy/Maxine
-Dawn
Mine would be Terry, Dawn, Maxine, & Cindy. Maxine comes b4 Cindy cuz I prefer her tone, but Cindy always consistent with her sound, whereas Max was iffy live at times.
Dawn Dawn
Maxine
Cindy
Way down the list- Terry
are we gonna get one for the other members? terry especially
Vocally she could be a little off, and she had not as great as control over her voice like the other ladies
i don't agree
Dino yes but dawn had that sexy voice
None of the were perfect all the time, but Dawn and Maxine were always on key most of the time. Nobody was off as much as Terry especially during their live performances.
@@chooselove4307 Terry was horrendous at the #nkotbmixtape2022 tour
I went to 2 shows. I literally sat down when En Vogue was on. They ran Dawn’s vocals on tape behind their voices and on all choruses. Terry was off pitch throughout their sets, both shoes I went to. They are not En Vogue without Dawn and Max, but especially without Dawn. Free your mind they Piped Dawn’s vocals in so loud on stage, I don’t see how anyone who knew the group couldn’t tell….. it was awful.
@@MrsK976 You're correct! I saw some of those concerts online and they did sound horrendous as you say😆. Terry and Cindy both sounded off-pitch and their vocal tone was off during the concerts. Cindy voice was cracking when she was singing Dawn and Maxine lead parts, and Terry couldn't hit Dawn's notes and had no control of her voice. Dawn had the vocal range, vocal control, vocal tone, and she was pitch perfect. We all saw how vital Dawn's vocals were to that groups success after she was kicked out, and they have never had a #1 song or album since Funky Divas. I would love to see these videos of Dawn actually being a little off and not having great control of her voice as the other ladies, because they can never produce the evidence of that yet there are several videos online of Terry and Cindy being off pitch and not having great vocal control.
@@MrsK976 Terry and Cindy are 60+ years old now so their voices are not what they used to be. I don't know why you are talking about a concert in 2022, after 40 years of being in the business and touring, to prove your point. In their hey day, those two were the most consistent vocalists of the group live. Dawn and Max were not as consistent.