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When you're upgrading anything it has a knock on effect. Most good tuners will tell you what you need to improve to handle the power of the map. If you follow their instructions you can run a map safely for tens of thousand of miles.
If you don’t push it to the limit constantly all the time, the car should handle it...the reason why I want to get it done because sometimes that extra power comes in really handy, not because I wanna go full throttle all the time
I’ve had a stage 1 Mountune 215 map for my Fiesta ST now for just over 3 years and it’s been excellent. It adds around 18bhp and 50nm so it’s definitely a noticeable upgrade over stock and Ford also allow you to keep full vehicle warranty with the remap and cold air filter kit.
Exactly. I ran a remapped diesel for economy for 8 years and put over 200k miles on it. Same clutch! Saved thousands on fuel with the bonus of additional performance. Money well spent
The breakdown it’s pretty much simple. You choose to remap your car get ready to upgrade the standard parts of it, clutch injectors turbo etc( btw diesel cars can have issues with dpf filters in eu in case of high mileage ) or leave it stock and enjoy it for the longest time at a relatively low price. Nice video very well explained and honest. We need more people like this guy👍🏻👍🏻
It will still boils down to how you drive your car. Had mine remapped going 3 years now and got no issue with it. Just keep in mind what type of remap you want to do and have it done with a trusted tech. The key in remapping is setting all the parameters within manufacturers limitations.
You've explained it well. I juat brought a ford focus ST line 1.0 125bhp I've booked it in to get it remapped to 150bhp now I'm unsure by what you said. Any advice would really appreciate
@@heliusuk As yourself this buddy - 1bhp per litre is about what you'd expect from most decent engines. How many 2.0 petrol turbos produce >200bhp?. Your car produces 1.25bhp per litre from a 3 cylinder engine so it's already under quite a bit of stress. It's well known that my engine in my Audi A4 (a 1.4 tfsi) produces 148bhp but to ensure the turbo doesn't cause damage the exhaust manifold and the bottom of the engine are 1 piece, they are not bolted together like on most cars. That's so the pressure from the turbo doesn't blow that gasket) if VW group feel the need to do that with a 1bhp per litre engine then how much more stress if your 1.0 ecotec engine under?. Bear in mind Ford won't care if these engines last 7 or 8 years before getting major damage as they are well out of warranty by that time. i know you've already done it so if i were you i'd revert it back and sell the car in case you've damaged any parts by running 20% more power.
@@mrlopes1234 I mean, I can not say a disagree, but you are driving diesels and you are talking about guys who did it on petrol engines. So I agree, no you should not think your diesel is going to be sporty no matter what tune you do on it and yes, it will put more strain on it because that is not what diesels are made to be. Diesel cars are great for long journeys, those powerful ones are great even for overtaking during those journeys, but if you want to race from street lights and/or on tracks just get a sporty petrol. It revs higher, it sounds better, it can be mid/bigger block or turbo and it's made to be sporty
Finally a genuine guy with a genuine answer. I have a Skoda Octavia petrol 150bhp wanted to remap to get 180 nearly did it too but then I took a step back after this video. It’s a family car wtf am I doing lol thanks man
That’s not huge jump there 150-180 I’d remap if my car was petrol but diesel has the dmf which usually costs £1000+ to replace. I’ve got a civic 2.2 was going to remap it but the jump is to much it goes from 140bhp to 190bhp I just think that would fuck things up. Some car are de tuned though and they are the kind of car I would remap.
The Civic BHP is irrelevant, it's the torque. Use a professional company that know that vehicle. Celtic Tuning know the Civic inside out. They were the first company to widely remap them.
I have a Alfa Romeo GT 1.9JTD which I remapped from 170bhp to around 200bhp. Before doing anything to it I did a bit of research on what the GT can take and what usually needs upgrading. Had the flywheel changed from dual mass to single mass with an uprated clutch that can take 300bhp / 500nm. Had the EGR and swirl flaps deleted along with a downpipe, and removed one silencer. I also installed a Q2 diff. I also did research on how far the turbo and injectors can be pushed and stayed well within the safety margin for them. With all that said the 1.9JTD can take a hell of a lot more before breaking. Also the remap I did with ECM Titanium, where the extra boost and fuel only applies between 3000 RPM and 4500 RPM above 80% load. There are no sudden spikes in the map and the extra boost rolls in gradually. This allows for stock fuel consumption when driving normally and even a slight bit spirited, but returns that bit extra at the top end. All of the mods were done for longevity and to help the engine run with less strain even though it's boosting more. Just a note: do your research well before you remap your car. It could have ended badly for me, but the car has been running like this for 2 years without fault. The best car is a stock one.
Respect for putting this up. Hindsight will teach you that a remap of a standard car to gain 30/40hp is not worth it after experiencing problems and shelling out unnecessarily for the cost of remap and replacement of parts
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🥳AWESOME VIDEO! 😃Thank You for sharing your honest experience and the knowledge you've gained from doing it. I have a 2003 I'm working on.🤔Been wondering if this really would be worth it. Gonna hold off putting a turbo, putting a pin in the electric supercharger, and now just gonna take a hard pause moving forward with the chip. 🤨Everything has that, it'll be good for like 3months before shit starts fok'n up and getting expensive kinda feeling💣🤑. I'll just trade up from a paperclip to a racecar then. Thanks again! 😁👍 P.S. After watching this and thinking on it, especially in regards to my 03, it would, and does, make more sense maxing out those other essential components that would have to compensate for the upgrades of power FIRST! In theory, I think that might make the car drive a little better on stock power without wearing on the rest of the OEM stuff. I don't know... Still learning.
Why just don't do solid flywheel conversion in my mechanic carrier nearly every 2nd dual-mass flywheel is wrong manufactured and got way to big play no matter car mapped or not their just going bad
might I just say that this style of video is good and I think people would want to watch and be successful. you, chilled out talking about various topics and opinions sat in your car (doesn't have to be about cars) with chill music in the background. that could be your IP that people know you for. just an idea to think about. I know this video is only a couple of months old but I bet its one of your most successful?
I'm glad i saw your video and just in time to because i was just about to make an appointment to have my 1.6 163hp 240 torque remapped to 205 hp 320 torque, i kinda always knew it putts extra stress on various components on the engine but still i wasn't convinced not to do it but your video just changed that i definitely won't do it now , so thanks for your honest review on remapping
Had a remap on a Sorento, auto. Used for towing a caravan, wanted more torque for staying in gear longer on the motorway instead of it changing down. Couple of years later had to have the engine rebuilt, bearings spun in the block. Total cost £4500......
I had a Mk2 TT 2.0 TDI. Same engine as yours. 170bhp standard. Remapped to 208bhp. Drove it for 2 years taking it from 70k miles to 105k miles then sold it. No issues at all. No problems with the flywheel. There are maps that are safe and maps that are not, I have seen some terrible maps on cars. Also. Yes if you get a remap then drive it like you stole it all of the time, of course its going to wear out components faster due to the extra power. Just have to be careful. Wait for the time and the place to boot it. I'm remapping my Mk3 TT 2.0 TFSI Quattro on Tuesday at Viezu Technologies. Not anxious at all seeing as though I have mapped 2 cars there before over the last 6 years and had zero issues. Choose a reputable tuning company that will dyno and create a custom map for you, not just throw one on that's for your model of car. That's the key.
You know what man, you’re bang on. I’m sat outside a garage about to go and book myself a remap but I realised it’s just not worth the risk especially as my car is higher than average miles. I’ll pay that money for a major service instead 👍. Cheers
Which car you have??? Stage ONE remaining if is good a quality MAP you have no worries. I had a lot a car and no problems. If you have bad week clutch on your car change it with something new and quality part's. I love remapping my car's. Now is BMW E-60 3.0d from 2008. One year wit that remapping and 150 000 miles on the odometer. without any problems at all. Remapping 💪💪💪
I think you may have a point there.. VW do 140bhp and 170bhp and sell 170bhp for extra 5k but probably just done factory remap.. So upping power to 170 is probably safe.. Problem comes when you take their 170bhp to 210bhp.. You are then running the same kit as 140bhp model at 210bhp which is asking for trouble.. Just a thought?? Same with volvo and bmw. Buy low model in range and remap it within the normal model ranges is probably safe.. Going above what manufacturer designed that engine and gearbox to run at is asking for problems..
@@devonmantimtim8263 agreed, if you get it done by guys that know what they're doing it's gonna be ok, I had it done at Adler Auto(best in Bulgaria) they have a live dyno, they adjust it as it goes, it's a bit more expensive but it's worth every penny. I recently got a Peugeot 508 2.0 HDI 140HP, remappred to 175 and 380 NM, it's taking it very nice.
Could please tell what were the remap figures (HP and Nm)? I'm tempted since it's such a great motor and great potential for improvement, but really afraid of making costly damages (f34 here, 258hp)
German cars especially with ZF auto gearboxs are much stronger at lasting longterm with a remap. In 1990s i fitted a tunning box to a 110hdi french car. Full boost gave 140hp and too much torque than the clutch could handle. But Eco boost was 128hp and ok. Tunned at 9000 miles it lasted 17 years more and did 504,000 miles. But first clutch went after 12000 miles on full power. With eco power clutches lasted 100,000 miles. Next up was a 320d bmw. Took it from 184hp to 241hp and 280lbs to 350lbs torque. Got it 3 yrs old with 58,000 on the clock still have it with 345,000 at 14 years old. Totally reliable. No engine or gearbox trouble ever. Both cars improved the fuel economy so much it paid for the tuning within 20,000 miles. Id say check the clutch or autobox maximum torque capacity before you buy the car to make sure its strong enough. Tunning transforms the car.
Thanks for making my mind up for me. No one really explains things like this subbed and looking forward to seeing some more vids hopefully 👍🏿 South london showing some love
Had my VW Caddy van mapped to 170. Love that element of surprise when someone goes for an overtake on a hill cause they still think vans are going to slow down :)
Thanks for the comment. Glad it helped. Many people don’t have experience with remaps and most go into it expecting more and don’t know about the down sides.
I was looking to remap my old 2005 mercedes CLK 200 petrol auto car..noting special just wanted a little bit of power torque and maybe little petrol saver lol but honestly thank you for your honest opinion..many RUclipsrs will just sugar coat it but you where honest and to the point. Appreciate it hence earned a new sub . Good luck 🤞
Thank you, I was thinking about this 'coz in my country it is about half of the price compared to UK. I was blinded by the figures like increased hp and fuel economy. However I did not thik about what the increase of hp would do to the rest of the components such as gearbox and turbo . . . until now. Dad always says to me son if you want a gti save up and get a gti stop puting lipstic on a pig, hate to admit it he is wright.
Marko ime ti je jako ja imam 1.6 hdi sad 240 konja 400Nm sa TF035 turbom i kvacilom od kevlara petu godinu..preko 100.000km svake god za srbiju.. 2.5 cola auspuh Veliki 2.5 cola intercooler Egr blok Dpf blok Sve moze samo kvalitetno ovaj ne zna kako se kvacilo zove i nema pojma o cemu prica
@@schoumv6 google translate saved me a lot of typing there. Also, 400 pounds but you won't spend another 30 on the air filter?? It's simple, with every "stage" there are some components you must upgrade. Read the forums, not the YT comments...
I rate this guy man, kept it 💯 I’ve just got a 220i M Sport and been debating getting it mapped but unsure if it can take it, longevity etc and this was probably the video I needed to hear! Thanks man
Do It mate BMWs handle power really well they're downtimes massively when they leave factory for example I have a 420i stock it has 170bhp, I did so research and they 420i has the b48 engine, which is the same engine as the 430i, that's why a remap added an extra 100bhp.
The engine doesn't mind mate.. These European engines are made with tonns of power headroom. The 220i and the 225i have exactly the same internals. 225i is just boosted higher. It all comes down to the transmission. If your BMW 220i has 8 speeds, no problem, that's the ZF-8hp and it can handle up to 800N.m
@THEmomentumJUNK1E agreed that it'd be fine, but that isn't true about the ZF8. In the 2 series the 8HP45 is fitted (8HP50 for the LCI model), rated to 450nm (500nm for the LCI) max, admittedly it'll do more than that no problem but the true 800nm capabilities are reserved for the 8HP70/8HP75 which itself is reserved for the more powerful models. All of that said, I run 900nm+ through an 8HP70 and it's never missed a beat.
@@valiantdiesel1332 Aah yes you are correct! I forgot about the different rated versions. Offcourse the smaller cars would have the lighter, lower rated versions. What's the difference again? I think I read some time ago that the high torque versions have more or extra case webs inside to support the shafts.
I had my 325d remapped. It has the same straight 6 as the 330d, so handled the remap perfectly well as the engine/clutch/gearbox is already designed to handle what a 330d has. This man speaks sense!
Appreciate this video and your honesty I've got a GTC 2.0 cdti and been toying with the idea of getting a new car for something more powerful but it's an expense I could obviously do without as in the real world for commuting 165bhp is enough and 270nm feels fine. I'd just like more excitement but as you've said, the strain it puts on other components such as the clutch concerns me and your honest assessment of your experience has swayed me. I'll make do and upgrade when the time is really right. Atm I've had it for 5 years and it's never skipped a beat. I'll own it outright in two months so keeping it until is truly packs up would he the sensible thing to do
I had a seat Leon cr fr 170bhp diesel remapped 6 years ago when the engine had 95000 miles on the clock, it remapped to 212bhp and 335lbs/ft torque, changed it into a very capable car that was fast enough in every way for me, no problems all these years now has 186000 miles on the clock, thing is a stage 1 remap is safe and I’d say worth your money.
Stage 2 flywheel and clutch kit in an A5 would have set you back about an extra 200 quid on top of the Sachs one. You didn't have to sell it, should have just put a upgraded clutch and flywheel in to handle the power gain. And bigger brakes to stop faster, of course, because supporting mods matter.
I wish I’d have seen this video before I blew my turbo in my VW Touran 2.0 TDI. It’s costing me £700 to fix and then I’m undoing the remap which is another £150. Lesson well and truly learned but yeah I only heard the positive stuff related to a remap and I wasn’t aware of the dangers......I’ll be spreading the word though. Great video cheers!
Heard the accent, immediately pulled a face (how dare I when I'm from the west midlands lmao) watched the video, this is a good guy with honest opinion/review! VERY GOOD!
Great vid. The golden rule is no more than 30% increase if you want to retain reliability. Manufacturers tend to build in a 50% margin, so the closer to that you get to that figure, the more likelihood of something going wrong. More than 30% also means upgrading the engine internals, up-rating the brakes and transmission etc. Audi manual gearboxes are notoriously weak, that's why I'm glad I've got a DSG. I had a stage-1 remap and the car drove like it should've come from the factory. I upgraded to stage -2 with an exhaust down-pipe (around 20%+) increase and now the car flies. Lookup "Darkside testing tuning map" who've done a rolling road comparison of tuning boxes v remap on diesels.
Audi auto transmissions (Tiptronic) are also notoriously weak. And don't even get me started on the Multitronic. Audis just aren't that great for tuning unless you've already got an S or RS model IMO. Now MB diesels with the 5 speed automatic on the other hand.... Go nuts. And then if you want to go further than 30%, have the transmission built for more torque. Those same transmissions (with stronger internals) have been used in V12 twin turbos, so if you have them beefed up, they'll have no trouble with a tuned inline 6 diesel.
I just remapped a 2.0 CDTI Opel Cascada. Definitely don't feel the extra HP, but on hills I definitely feel the extra torque. Aside from that, the acceleration is very smooth and linear throughout the RPM range, making for a much more comfortable ride. My driving experience has improved significantly. Yes, definitely check the max specs on all the moving parts before doing the remap. If you're within range, I absolutely recommend remapping. Remember, driving experience is more than just "vroom! car go fast"
I think remaps are pretty interesting when u have a "limited" engine. I mean, sometimes brands offer the same engine with 3 levels of power. If u get a lower version, going from 120 to 180 Hp, when max stock is 170 Hp is fairly safe and difference is enough. For 20/30 Hp don't think is that worthy as well
Miguel Ángel Del i agree with this but sometimes them “limited engines” will have some differences e.g. the 2.0 tdi vw engines they can come as 140hp 170hp 180hp or something but they have different turbos, yes the engine is the same but the turbo may not be able to cope with making extra boost
@BlaccBenz dude I'm here for the same car lol. Did a shit ton of research and colud't find a real difference between the c200 and c220 engine. You helped a lot. But it's still a problem those figures are way to little for that car I really don't know what to do I don't know if just getting a used turbo from c220 is worth it and just swapping it the risk there is that you don't really know in what kind of a condition you're getting it
BlaccBenz Same. But my c200 is really well maintained it has low mileage so I don’t really want to sell it I think I’m going to ride it just how it is for some time and then maybe eventually upgrade to a w205 or maybe a w212 e class but definitely with a better engine
Miguel Ángel Del I had my wife’s Mercedes a250 done 218 stock and 30 up after map and as nice as the power boost was it didn’t feel very refined. But my bmw 635d was begging to be mapped and handles it superbly.
Very imformative!! YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT upgrading parts. After removing my dpf from my 1.6tdi golf i remapped it. Ended up with messed up clutch kit and fixed it for like £700 total. Drove the car for 2months and there was a slight tickin sound and a mechanic told me my flywheel is about to go. Quickly sold that car. MORAL OF THE STORY: DONT REMAP CARS THAT HAVE STOCK PARTS AND ISN'T MEANT FOR "SPORTY" DRIVING.
Great video for telling us how it is on non performance cars for remaps problems which garages doing remaps on these cars don't ever tell you about. Thanks for posting.
Appreciate you being one of the honest people regarding remaps. Most remappers dont mention the other stress' a remap would and does cause. A remap for the most part just isnt worth it at all, period. The only exception id say is importing a japanese car and remapping for UK fuel etc, you might be able to safely squeeze a bit of juice, and have a smoother ride (twin turbo cars with a VoD issue between the turbos etc) out of it but not much. Glad you are one of the honest ones that tackles the clutch, flywheel & other general wear a 'simple remap' adds on. I'll give you a sub, you come across as a sound & genuine guy, best of luck on the videos!
I agree 100% with you! If you want something more powerful buy the car that was designed to be more powerful. That's the bottom line. I speak from personal experience. I chipped a former diesel vehicle of mine. Drove it for 3 years and then all of a sudden the car started going into limp mode for no reason, sometimes it would struggle to start or smoke excessively. Eventually after going back and forth with the chip manufacturer they suggested that the injectors might be faulty. I removed the chip and everything was back to normal, no limp mode anymore (sure 20% less torque etc. but I choose reliability over more power any day). Turns out that the injectors were taking strain from being constantly pushed harder to run at high pressures which affected their longevity. So yes you can modify your normal car to be more powerful, but it will affect the longevity. A car that was designed to run reliably for 300 000 km will now do half that before components start failing. It's only logical!
100% agree with this. Knowledge is key! Look past the gains and weigh up the pros and cons. Yeah sure get a remap but if you have a chocolate gearbox then be prepared.
I was contemplating getting the remap on my 420 d m sport bm but after watching this video I'm not going to bother you give good advice and it sounds more trouble than its worth juice ain't worth the squeeze thanks mate 😉
Everything in your vehicle works as a unit. With that in mind you really have to pay attention to what and how much you upgrade on it. If you add more power you need to be sure of what else is being stressed because of the extra boost and either upgrade those items as well or drive only to the limit that it can handle. Took me 4 years to finish my 88gt Complete engine dismantle and upgrade to stage 3 track everything except heads top to bottom even injection was staged 3 and man did it ever preform. Every time I got out I was shaking all over from the rush as if I had just escape death lol I did everything by the book for my engine build but forgotten about the clutch..duh .. it didn’t last long.. I ordered a stage 3 race kit $600usd. It was amazing and so much fun ... 3 weeks later I had to change the transmission because it completely shattered Few weeks later another transmission.. then another until I realized my engine was killing them and it’s been parked for years now I should have been smarter about it and took my time
Very informative opinion. And also correlates to what, despite them not being real, racing video games are basically telling you while you are modifying your cars. You HAVE to upgrade EVERY part on your car for each part compliments and supports the other! Games like Need for Speed and Gran Turismo go in depth letting you know that you can only upgrade one part of your car to "Street" "Underground" or "Pro" for so long while still racing the other parts still on stock and NOT see any huge improvement compared to where if you UPGRADE everything so that each part can handle what the other parts are putting out. Gran Turismo does this the best by telling you how you'll only see gains by using a closely tuned or compatible part with another. So yeah, before doing any ECU remapping, upgrade the core parts to withstand that new output demand. SO GLAD I watched this video before investing in just an ECU for my daily driver to give it a small boost of 60 to 70 HP to it's already lame 78 HP. Because that would have damaged the stock parts inside of it like SUPER bad and voided the warranty that I still have on it should anything bust and it's due to the aftermarket ECU installed. Oh well...
Depends what car you got & how well you do your homework on the hardware that’s in the car; for example; a 2015 BMW 320D Efficient Dynamics (163hp) has the exact same hardware as a 325D (220hp) gearbox, turbo, torque converter all the same! So you can safely stage 1 to 210hp; plus a stage 2 Xhp gearbox flash for the auto box actually improves the life of the gearbox; provided you don’t thrash the ass off it! But that principle applies wether a car is remapped or not
Yeah that’s my point but most people don’t know to check things like this first. You have to know your and how the manufacturer has made the final product. Yes, a lot of cars have a de-tuned engine with the same parts as a higher spec but you have to k ow and do your research.
@@mrlopes1234 Yes it is fast but I wanted to get nearer (or on) the 500 Bhp mark (you know when you get used to a Cars power after a while), without making radical changes to the mechanics . Basically, your video showed me to be aware and not go too far in my optimism. The book/manual says 425 Bhp, it is actually nearer 480, so I think I will still tune it slightly.
Great video fella. I've been debating wether to buy a BMW 320d and remap or a 330d and leave it stock and you've answered my question and likely saved huge headaches in the future. Thanks again 👌🏻
I've got Audi A3 1.8L qauttro, 180hp. I was contemplating tuning last week but after watching this video, I was like nah, I'm not doing it. I will spend the money on full service. Awesome video!
Tried explaining this to one of my friends who has the exact same car as the one you remapped and he didn’t understand that his going to stress all the OEM parts to the point of failure. But i found your video and sent it to him and he backed down after hearing your experience with remap on his car. Good job explaining mate.
Thanks for this. This confirmed my thoughts of "this is going to burn my car out fast AF" (Volvo s60 T5). My first thought was a remap sounds like a overclock on a CPU. it's gonna burn it out fast.
Great post 👍🏻 I stage 1’d a brand new S3 and pretty soon after got clutch slip problem, so I totally agree with this video and would even say don’t bother on the S or RS models either. If an S/RS stock vehicle isn’t fast enough take up F1
Please you have to know what youre doing when tuning your car. I ported my head + intake + exhaust and ported the upgraded turbo myself, designed my own camshaft, Other exhaust system and of course took away the double mass flywhel and put in a solid flywheel. I remapped it by myself and Hp and kW were doubled and the car was great... But my head grew to big so I continued and now I am down in a swamp
You should have upgraded your clutch and flywheel to a stage 1 and saved yourself a lot of time and money. That's why they call the parts 'Stage 1'. Some cars can handle a stage 1 tune on stock parts but most these days can't. People always make that mistake thinking 'oh I'll get a stage one and my car will be better', sadly most of the time, this is incorrect.
I really appreciate your video . And truth be told if you have a top spec car of any brand definitely remap it because it can handle it but if it’s just a normal spec, any day car forget about.
I did this with my 1.4 tsi. It was 140hp and I remapped to 170hp. I wasn’t happy. I took it off. But put it back on with a higher output map to around 190hp and 50lbs of torque more. I felt it and I was happy. The clutch went but that was largely due to the way I was dumping the clutch and not fully releasing it before accelerating. I replaced the clutch but the remap I put back on never felt as good. Stick clutch was sach but replacement was luk. It felt heavier too. There was no “updated clutches” for the 1.4. In the end I got rid of the car. Would I of done it again with that car? Yes because I know part of the reason why I ruined the clutch was my fault. The boost was probably stronger than my gti that I have now at the same torque figure. The power is stretched through the Rev range in my gti vs my 1.4 having all of it early in the Rev range at once which knocked me in my seat harder. But was shorter in the gears because it revved quickly. The only thing I’d of done differently is before buying that 1.4. I was debating whether or not to get the 1.8. I was not contemplating remapping so the 1.4 won with better mpg. Knowing the figures the 1.8 could remap as p to and better part availability I wish I chose the 1.8. Ps I’m keeping my gti “stock”
Thanks for this video. I drive 1000km a week for work in my 85hp fiesta diesel and was almost going to do a remap. it would have increased the hp and torque significantly. I need my car in good health for work though for probably a few years more. You might have saved me a lot of money.
I was going to map my 11 plate a3 tdi... I sent it in for a service like I do every 10 months and he said I need a new gearbox and clutch.... 4k later I realised these cars are not made of solid stuff. They break without extra power/torque.
Great advice and honest! I've got a stage 1 BMW M4 (520bhp), the map is running fine but I'll tell you what's really bugging me, you can literally hear the turbos spooling a lot faster! Sounds weird, soulless!! And because of this reason, I'm selling it.. Like you said - lesson learned, I'm never tuning my cars again!
You should just not have a car to be honest mate. Complaining that your 520bhp M4 has sounds of a turbo? Sell it and don't buy another car. Unless ofcourse you're being sarcastic.
@@SassyOnline Stop being a keyboard warrior, you're more than welcome to join me for a drive to see what I mean.. If you have OCD like myself then trust me you'll know what I mean.
Those tuners were amators! A good tuner knows the transmission' limits! I have and other people too, remap from EDS, Dimsport, BR-P, etc., for years, no problems ever!
I wouldn't say they were amateurs mate. It was done at AMD in Essex. I pretty sure they know what they are doing there. The only problem was that the car was pushing out 280lbs foot of torque before remap and 360ish lbs after remap. The flywheel was only rated for 300lbs max. I agree that the tuner should know the limits but in reality the tuner would tell me to upgrade the flywheel before remapping or not to bother if i'm not looking to upgrade it. I don't think they'll turn customers away otherwise they'd take a massive hit in their income lol
A tunner tune car on car parts made my manufacturer depend on quality of parts install in the factory at time of production trust they have too many quality variations in quality
OMFG! I had a B8 Audi S5 special edition TDI 170 that I got remapped as well and only after watching this video have I realised that I had a flywheel issue! it would judder and vibrate when setting off in first gear which I thought was me not giving it enough throttle. no matter how smooth I was it would do it. I sold the car only 3 weeks ago not even realising this is the start of an expensive fix! RIP new buyers wallet, I didn't even realise that I've just dodged a bullet.
100% correct, this kid is spot on and I'm an experienced mechanic and 30 experienced mechanical/aerospace engineer and this kid is right on the money. Listen to him or your car is going to go dud dud dud dud dud lol :)
I've got a mini John cooper works coupe SD had it rematched 2 years ago DPF removed it's now got 198 bhp and 400 nm it's definitely not as economical as it was in urban extra urban or combined, the stop start now doesn't work which I think is a positive thing and also no traction control whatsoever once again positive thing, I drive it everyday and it's totally fine as soon as I put it in sports mode wow it completely changes everything every input I put in is amazing I totally control traction everything the steering is so precise I feel every thing through it it really reminds me of my Mark 1 golf GTI I had but just a lot quicker,, in the wet I can't come out of a roundabout and just floor it because it will just spin up I have to control feed the power in Which is so much fun whereas before it wasn't remapped the computer would just control how much grip etc etc I could have, so it really depends do you want a car that drives you or do you want a car you drive ?
Thanks very much for the info, this video made me go and research more about remaps and the tolerances on my vehicle. Ive got a performance saloon which has higher rated components than its current output and driving it, the car feels choked, like it has more to give, hoping a remap makes it feel smoother to drive more than anything. If not, the company offers 14 day free reversal if I'm not happy 👍
I’ve remapped 3 cars and haven’t had a problem...all diesels (BMW X5 3.0d, Audi A4 Cab 2.5 tdi V6, Land Rover Discovery 3.0 SDV6 HSE). Don’t bother remapping a petrol though as that isn’t worth the increase in bhp/torque. The mechanicals in a diesel are already beefy enough to deal with increased torque. The main thing is the research on the remap made by the company producing it...I’ve always used Superchips and always will. ‘Back street’ remaps and remaps purchased at the garage may be cheaper but will only cause problems, such as the mentioned flywheel issue, because the research hasn’t been carried out. I don’t work for Superchips, I’m just a satisfied customer.
Mate,I really needed to watch this 👍👍 I,m picking up a focus ST diesel this week & I actually considered getting a stage 1,so glad I watched this. Cheers mate 👍
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Absolutely logic and healthy thinking! Great video!
When you're upgrading anything it has a knock on effect. Most good tuners will tell you what you need to improve to handle the power of the map. If you follow their instructions you can run a map safely for tens of thousand of miles.
What about a simple stage 1 tune?
If you don’t push it to the limit constantly all the time, the car should handle it...the reason why I want to get it done because sometimes that extra power comes in really handy, not because I wanna go full throttle all the time
@@ferencgacsi773 100% this.
I’ve had a stage 1 Mountune 215 map for my Fiesta ST now for just over 3 years and it’s been excellent.
It adds around 18bhp and 50nm so it’s definitely a noticeable upgrade over stock and Ford also allow you to keep full vehicle warranty with the remap and cold air filter kit.
Exactly. I ran a remapped diesel for economy for 8 years and put over 200k miles on it. Same clutch! Saved thousands on fuel with the bonus of additional performance. Money well spent
The breakdown it’s pretty much simple. You choose to remap your car get ready to upgrade the standard parts of it, clutch injectors turbo etc( btw diesel cars can have issues with dpf filters in eu in case of high mileage ) or leave it stock and enjoy it for the longest time at a relatively low price. Nice video very well explained and honest. We need more people like this guy👍🏻👍🏻
It will still boils down to how you drive your car. Had mine remapped going 3 years now and got no issue with it. Just keep in mind what type of remap you want to do and have it done with a trusted tech. The key in remapping is setting all the parameters within manufacturers limitations.
You've explained it well. I juat brought a ford focus ST line 1.0 125bhp I've booked it in to get it remapped to 150bhp now I'm unsure by what you said. Any advice would really appreciate
@@heliusuk Advice don't do it for the sake of 25bhp what's the point, you ain't gonna notice much of a difference.
@@CraigToddOfficial to late I've done it weeks back
@@heliusuk Nothing ventured, nothing gained. It's all experience.
@@heliusuk As yourself this buddy - 1bhp per litre is about what you'd expect from most decent engines. How many 2.0 petrol turbos produce >200bhp?. Your car produces 1.25bhp per litre from a 3 cylinder engine so it's already under quite a bit of stress. It's well known that my engine in my Audi A4 (a 1.4 tfsi) produces 148bhp but to ensure the turbo doesn't cause damage the exhaust manifold and the bottom of the engine are 1 piece, they are not bolted together like on most cars. That's so the pressure from the turbo doesn't blow that gasket) if VW group feel the need to do that with a 1bhp per litre engine then how much more stress if your 1.0 ecotec engine under?.
Bear in mind Ford won't care if these engines last 7 or 8 years before getting major damage as they are well out of warranty by that time. i know you've already done it so if i were you i'd revert it back and sell the car in case you've damaged any parts by running 20% more power.
How on earth can anybody give this video a thumbs down SMH. This guy is giving you valuable *FREE* information. Some people Ha-ha.
Thanks for your comment. It really means a lot 🙏🏼
@@mrlopes1234 I mean, I can not say a disagree, but you are driving diesels and you are talking about guys who did it on petrol engines. So I agree, no you should not think your diesel is going to be sporty no matter what tune you do on it and yes, it will put more strain on it because that is not what diesels are made to be.
Diesel cars are great for long journeys, those powerful ones are great even for overtaking during those journeys, but if you want to race from street lights and/or on tracks just get a sporty petrol.
It revs higher, it sounds better, it can be mid/bigger block or turbo and it's made to be sporty
Not trying to troll but more hp=braking things take 15m on a form and he would know the specs of his car
You can only advise, some people gotta learn.....the hard way
So true, people listening to what they WANT to hear , or not :)
Finally a genuine guy with a genuine answer. I have a Skoda Octavia petrol 150bhp wanted to remap to get 180 nearly did it too but then I took a step back after this video. It’s a family car wtf am I doing lol thanks man
dale tindall thank you. It means a lot. Hope everyone that like it subscribed so I will make more videos
That’s not huge jump there 150-180 I’d remap if my car was petrol but diesel has the dmf which usually costs £1000+ to replace. I’ve got a civic 2.2 was going to remap it but the jump is to much it goes from 140bhp to 190bhp I just think that would fuck things up. Some car are de tuned though and they are the kind of car I would remap.
If its petrol I would do it on a petrol
Not on a diesel though
Not again
The Civic BHP is irrelevant, it's the torque. Use a professional company that know that vehicle. Celtic Tuning know the Civic inside out. They were the first company to widely remap them.
@@lukey3507 I dne a remap on my metro took it from 50bhp to 350bhp,happy daze.
I have a Alfa Romeo GT 1.9JTD which I remapped from 170bhp to around 200bhp. Before doing anything to it I did a bit of research on what the GT can take and what usually needs upgrading.
Had the flywheel changed from dual mass to single mass with an uprated clutch that can take 300bhp / 500nm. Had the EGR and swirl flaps deleted along with a downpipe, and removed one silencer. I also installed a Q2 diff. I also did research on how far the turbo and injectors can be pushed and stayed well within the safety margin for them.
With all that said the 1.9JTD can take a hell of a lot more before breaking. Also the remap I did with ECM Titanium, where the extra boost and fuel only applies between 3000 RPM and 4500 RPM above 80% load. There are no sudden spikes in the map and the extra boost rolls in gradually. This allows for stock fuel consumption when driving normally and even a slight bit spirited, but returns that bit extra at the top end. All of the mods were done for longevity and to help the engine run with less strain even though it's boosting more.
Just a note: do your research well before you remap your car. It could have ended badly for me, but the car has been running like this for 2 years without fault. The best car is a stock one.
My 2012 C250 has been on stage 2 for 3 years now, and on stage 2 with flames and pops for the last year with no problem
I was considering remapping my 1.7 turbo diesel.
Since watching this, I’ve changed my mind.
I’m now fine with my stock 130bhp 😅
Don’t do that mistake. The engineers calculated the power of it already 😊 😊
I’m so glad I watch this I have a 2 L diesel Audi and I was thinking about a remap are a chip but not any more I’m happy with what I’ve got
Same here!
Respect for putting this up. Hindsight will teach you that a remap of a standard car to gain 30/40hp is not worth it after experiencing problems and shelling out unnecessarily for the cost of remap and replacement of parts
I believe this guy is honest. Thanks for the invaluable insight from real experience. Worth 100% value and support. God bless you more.
Thanks. That’s very kind of you my friend 🙏🏼
Mapped my bmw 635d from 286bhp up to 360 2 years ago no problem whatsoever for mpg too
Big difference with a bmw and Vw group cars
3 litre straight six twin turbo, that engine is pretty strong, so no surprises it can handle the power 👍
Thank you all once again for the comments, negative or positive, it's good to share and help others. Please do me a big big favour by subscribing to my channel... I'm nearly at 1,000 subs. Thank you to all of you that have already subscribed and those of you that will.
Fair play honest review, exactly the same happened to me when I mapped a 1.6d golf 60plate 1year clutch went
🥳AWESOME VIDEO!
😃Thank You for sharing your honest experience and the knowledge you've gained from doing it. I have a 2003 I'm working on.🤔Been wondering if this really would be worth it. Gonna hold off putting a turbo, putting a pin in the electric supercharger, and now just gonna take a hard pause moving forward with the chip. 🤨Everything has that, it'll be good for like 3months before shit starts fok'n up and getting expensive kinda feeling💣🤑. I'll just trade up from a paperclip to a racecar then.
Thanks again! 😁👍
P.S.
After watching this and thinking on it, especially in regards to my 03, it would, and does, make more sense maxing out those other essential components that would have to compensate for the upgrades of power FIRST!
In theory, I think that might make the car drive a little better on stock power without wearing on the rest of the OEM stuff. I don't know... Still learning.
Why just don't do solid flywheel conversion in my mechanic carrier nearly every 2nd dual-mass flywheel is wrong manufactured and got way to big play no matter car mapped or not their just going bad
123d yey or nay
might I just say that this style of video is good and I think people would want to watch and be successful. you, chilled out talking about various topics and opinions sat in your car (doesn't have to be about cars) with chill music in the background. that could be your IP that people know you for.
just an idea to think about. I know this video is only a couple of months old but I bet its one of your most successful?
I'm glad i saw your video and just in time to because i was just about to make an appointment to have my 1.6 163hp 240 torque remapped to 205 hp 320 torque, i kinda always knew it putts extra stress on various components on the engine but still i wasn't convinced not to do it but your video just changed that i definitely won't do it now , so thanks for your honest review on remapping
thats a THP right ?
you should ask the tuner how much torque can the gearbox handle other than that the engine will be fine
Had a remap on a Sorento, auto. Used for towing a caravan, wanted more torque for staying in gear longer on the motorway instead of it changing down. Couple of years later had to have the engine rebuilt, bearings spun in the block. Total cost £4500......
I had a Mk2 TT 2.0 TDI. Same engine as yours. 170bhp standard. Remapped to 208bhp. Drove it for 2 years taking it from 70k miles to 105k miles then sold it. No issues at all. No problems with the flywheel. There are maps that are safe and maps that are not, I have seen some terrible maps on cars. Also. Yes if you get a remap then drive it like you stole it all of the time, of course its going to wear out components faster due to the extra power. Just have to be careful. Wait for the time and the place to boot it. I'm remapping my Mk3 TT 2.0 TFSI Quattro on Tuesday at Viezu Technologies. Not anxious at all seeing as though I have mapped 2 cars there before over the last 6 years and had zero issues. Choose a reputable tuning company that will dyno and create a custom map for you, not just throw one on that's for your model of car. That's the key.
Thinking about a remap on my mk3 tt as well boost it to 300 hp and before did it with the mk2 also no issues
You know what man, you’re bang on. I’m sat outside a garage about to go and book myself a remap but I realised it’s just not worth the risk especially as my car is higher than average miles. I’ll pay that money for a major service instead 👍. Cheers
Happy it helped you
Which car you have??? Stage ONE remaining if is good a quality MAP you have no worries. I had a lot a car and no problems. If you have bad week clutch on your car change it with something new and quality part's. I love remapping my car's. Now is BMW E-60 3.0d from 2008. One year wit that remapping and 150 000 miles on the odometer. without any problems at all. Remapping 💪💪💪
It depends on how over-engineered and over-built your car is. It also depends on how aggressively you drive it.
I got a 1.9 tdi a4 b7 it was originally 116 hp, after the remap it got to 150, been driving it for 3 years had absolutely no problems with it.
I think you may have a point there..
VW do 140bhp and 170bhp and sell 170bhp for extra 5k but probably just done factory remap.. So upping power to 170 is probably safe..
Problem comes when you take their 170bhp to 210bhp.. You are then running the same kit as 140bhp model at 210bhp which is asking for trouble.. Just a thought??
Same with volvo and bmw. Buy low model in range and remap it within the normal model ranges is probably safe.. Going above what manufacturer designed that engine and gearbox to run at is asking for problems..
@@devonmantimtim8263 agreed, if you get it done by guys that know what they're doing it's gonna be ok, I had it done at Adler Auto(best in Bulgaria) they have a live dyno, they adjust it as it goes, it's a bit more expensive but it's worth every penny. I recently got a Peugeot 508 2.0 HDI 140HP, remappred to 175 and 380 NM, it's taking it very nice.
Thanks for not eating the boogie , good clean up its a must when getting a second hand car .
Thank you, dude. You changed my mind. Remap place would not mention these issues down the line. Appreciate it.
Happy to help
I can agree with this. Had my bmw 330d mapped and the gearbox went a few days later
Could please tell what were the remap figures (HP and Nm)?
I'm tempted since it's such a great motor and great potential for improvement, but really afraid of making costly damages (f34 here, 258hp)
German cars especially with ZF auto gearboxs are much stronger at lasting longterm with a remap. In 1990s i fitted a tunning box to a 110hdi french car. Full boost gave 140hp and too much torque than the clutch could handle. But Eco boost was 128hp and ok. Tunned at 9000 miles it lasted 17 years more and did 504,000 miles. But first clutch went after 12000 miles on full power. With eco power clutches lasted 100,000 miles. Next up was a 320d bmw. Took it from 184hp to 241hp and 280lbs to 350lbs torque. Got it 3 yrs old with 58,000 on the clock still have it with 345,000 at 14 years old. Totally reliable. No engine or gearbox trouble ever. Both cars improved the fuel economy so much it paid for the tuning within 20,000 miles. Id say check the clutch or autobox maximum torque capacity before you buy the car to make sure its strong enough. Tunning transforms the car.
Thanks for making my mind up for me. No one really explains things like this subbed and looking forward to seeing some more vids hopefully 👍🏿 South london showing some love
DJ Crisis UK thanks mate 😉
Brilliant mate ..was thimking of remap on my seat leon fr ...you just saved me moneybon my average car ...cheers 👍
Valuable free information for people with low to mid range cars.
Had my VW Caddy van mapped to 170. Love that element of surprise when someone goes for an overtake on a hill cause they still think vans are going to slow down :)
So much sense, many thanks for your insight.
Thanks for the comment. Glad it helped. Many people don’t have experience with remaps and most go into it expecting more and don’t know about the down sides.
I was looking to remap my old 2005 mercedes CLK 200 petrol auto car..noting special just wanted a little bit of power torque and maybe little petrol saver lol but honestly thank you for your honest opinion..many RUclipsrs will just sugar coat it but you where honest and to the point. Appreciate it hence earned a new sub . Good luck 🤞
Thank you, I was thinking about this 'coz in my country it is about half of the price compared to UK. I was blinded by the figures like increased hp and fuel economy. However I did not thik about what the increase of hp would do to the rest of the components such as gearbox and turbo . . . until now. Dad always says to me son if you want a gti save up and get a gti stop puting lipstic on a pig, hate to admit it he is wright.
Marko ime ti je jako ja imam 1.6 hdi sad 240 konja 400Nm sa TF035 turbom i kvacilom od kevlara petu godinu..preko 100.000km svake god za srbiju..
2.5 cola auspuh
Veliki 2.5 cola intercooler
Egr blok
Dpf blok
Sve moze samo kvalitetno ovaj ne zna kako se kvacilo zove i nema pojma o cemu prica
@@schoumv6 google translate saved me a lot of typing there. Also, 400 pounds but you won't spend another 30 on the air filter?? It's simple, with every "stage" there are some components you must upgrade. Read the forums, not the YT comments...
😂😂😂 Lipstick on a pig 🐷 the
Never met an rb26tt
Excellent video mate, just bought a BMW 4 series coupe, looking to get remap, ta bud
I rate this guy man, kept it 💯 I’ve just got a 220i M Sport and been debating getting it mapped but unsure if it can take it, longevity etc and this was probably the video I needed to hear! Thanks man
Do It mate BMWs handle power really well they're downtimes massively when they leave factory for example I have a 420i stock it has 170bhp, I did so research and they 420i has the b48 engine, which is the same engine as the 430i, that's why a remap added an extra 100bhp.
If you do, expect egr issues like I had.
The engine doesn't mind mate.. These European engines are made with tonns of power headroom. The 220i and the 225i have exactly the same internals. 225i is just boosted higher. It all comes down to the transmission. If your BMW 220i has 8 speeds, no problem, that's the ZF-8hp and it can handle up to 800N.m
@THEmomentumJUNK1E agreed that it'd be fine, but that isn't true about the ZF8. In the 2 series the 8HP45 is fitted (8HP50 for the LCI model), rated to 450nm (500nm for the LCI) max, admittedly it'll do more than that no problem but the true 800nm capabilities are reserved for the 8HP70/8HP75 which itself is reserved for the more powerful models.
All of that said, I run 900nm+ through an 8HP70 and it's never missed a beat.
@@valiantdiesel1332 Aah yes you are correct! I forgot about the different rated versions. Offcourse the smaller cars would have the lighter, lower rated versions. What's the difference again? I think I read some time ago that the high torque versions have more or extra case webs inside to support the shafts.
I think you've saved me a lot of pain. Thank you bro.
I had my 325d remapped. It has the same straight 6 as the 330d, so handled the remap perfectly well as the engine/clutch/gearbox is already designed to handle what a 330d has. This man speaks sense!
Also what a 335d has I think they are all the same platform apart from the bolt ons turbo intercooler etc
Appreciate this video and your honesty
I've got a GTC 2.0 cdti and been toying with the idea of getting a new car for something more powerful but it's an expense I could obviously do without as in the real world for commuting 165bhp is enough and 270nm feels fine. I'd just like more excitement but as you've said, the strain it puts on other components such as the clutch concerns me and your honest assessment of your experience has swayed me. I'll make do and upgrade when the time is really right. Atm I've had it for 5 years and it's never skipped a beat. I'll own it outright in two months so keeping it until is truly packs up would he the sensible thing to do
Wise choice buddy 👍🏼
I had a seat Leon cr fr 170bhp diesel remapped 6 years ago when the engine had 95000 miles on the clock, it remapped to 212bhp and 335lbs/ft torque, changed it into a very capable car that was fast enough in every way for me, no problems all these years now has 186000 miles on the clock, thing is a stage 1 remap is safe and I’d say worth your money.
How much was it to remap
@@voltage3692 remapping usually costs around 400+ at least in my country with dyno results. But your car better be mint
Stage 2 flywheel and clutch kit in an A5 would have set you back about an extra 200 quid on top of the Sachs one. You didn't have to sell it, should have just put a upgraded clutch and flywheel in to handle the power gain. And bigger brakes to stop faster, of course, because supporting mods matter.
Bigger brakes won't stop you faster, tyre width is almost always the limiting factor.
I wish I’d have seen this video before I blew my turbo in my VW Touran 2.0 TDI. It’s costing me £700 to fix and then I’m undoing the remap which is another £150. Lesson well and truly learned but yeah I only heard the positive stuff related to a remap and I wasn’t aware of the dangers......I’ll be spreading the word though. Great video cheers!
You just saved me a big bill, was going too pull the trigger on my 18 2.0 Touran, it’s staying standard 👍
Heard the accent, immediately pulled a face (how dare I when I'm from the west midlands lmao) watched the video, this is a good guy with honest opinion/review! VERY GOOD!
Great vid. The golden rule is no more than 30% increase if you want to retain reliability. Manufacturers tend to build in a 50% margin, so the closer to that you get to that figure, the more likelihood of something going wrong. More than 30% also means upgrading the engine internals, up-rating the brakes and transmission etc. Audi manual gearboxes are notoriously weak, that's why I'm glad I've got a DSG. I had a stage-1 remap and the car drove like it should've come from the factory. I upgraded to stage -2 with an exhaust down-pipe (around 20%+) increase and now the car flies. Lookup "Darkside testing tuning map" who've done a rolling road comparison of tuning boxes v remap on diesels.
Audi auto transmissions (Tiptronic) are also notoriously weak. And don't even get me started on the Multitronic. Audis just aren't that great for tuning unless you've already got an S or RS model IMO.
Now MB diesels with the 5 speed automatic on the other hand.... Go nuts. And then if you want to go further than 30%, have the transmission built for more torque. Those same transmissions (with stronger internals) have been used in V12 twin turbos, so if you have them beefed up, they'll have no trouble with a tuned inline 6 diesel.
I just remapped a 2.0 CDTI Opel Cascada. Definitely don't feel the extra HP, but on hills I definitely feel the extra torque. Aside from that, the acceleration is very smooth and linear throughout the RPM range, making for a much more comfortable ride. My driving experience has improved significantly.
Yes, definitely check the max specs on all the moving parts before doing the remap. If you're within range, I absolutely recommend remapping. Remember, driving experience is more than just "vroom! car go fast"
I think remaps are pretty interesting when u have a "limited" engine. I mean, sometimes brands offer the same engine with 3 levels of power. If u get a lower version, going from 120 to 180 Hp, when max stock is 170 Hp is fairly safe and difference is enough.
For 20/30 Hp don't think is that worthy as well
Miguel Ángel Del i agree with this but sometimes them “limited engines” will have some differences e.g. the 2.0 tdi vw engines they can come as 140hp 170hp 180hp or something but they have different turbos, yes the engine is the same but the turbo may not be able to cope with making extra boost
@BlaccBenz dude I'm here for the same car lol. Did a shit ton of research and colud't find a real difference between the c200 and c220 engine. You helped a lot. But it's still a problem those figures are way to little for that car I really don't know what to do I don't know if just getting a used turbo from c220 is worth it and just swapping it the risk there is that you don't really know in what kind of a condition you're getting it
BlaccBenz Same. But my c200 is really well maintained it has low mileage so I don’t really want to sell it I think I’m going to ride it just how it is for some time and then maybe eventually upgrade to a w205 or maybe a w212 e class but definitely with a better engine
Miguel Ángel Del
I had my wife’s Mercedes a250 done 218 stock and 30 up after map and as nice as the power boost was it didn’t feel very refined. But my bmw 635d was begging to be mapped and handles it superbly.
@BlaccBenz I'm pretty sure 220 and 250 have the same exact engine but mercedes just charges extra for the hp you can get from a 220 aswell no?
Very imformative!! YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT upgrading parts. After removing my dpf from my 1.6tdi golf i remapped it. Ended up with messed up clutch kit and fixed it for like £700 total. Drove the car for 2months and there was a slight tickin sound and a mechanic told me my flywheel is about to go. Quickly sold that car.
MORAL OF THE STORY: DONT REMAP CARS THAT HAVE STOCK PARTS AND ISN'T MEANT FOR "SPORTY" DRIVING.
Great advice from a 35 year engineering veteran
Great video for telling us how it is on non performance cars for remaps problems which garages doing remaps on these cars don't ever tell you about. Thanks for posting.
Appreciate you being one of the honest people regarding remaps. Most remappers dont mention the other stress' a remap would and does cause. A remap for the most part just isnt worth it at all, period. The only exception id say is importing a japanese car and remapping for UK fuel etc, you might be able to safely squeeze a bit of juice, and have a smoother ride (twin turbo cars with a VoD issue between the turbos etc) out of it but not much. Glad you are one of the honest ones that tackles the clutch, flywheel & other general wear a 'simple remap' adds on.
I'll give you a sub, you come across as a sound & genuine guy, best of luck on the videos!
Good honest advice thank you, may have saved many problems for many people.
Just had my 2001 Mini Cooper remapped. Hoping I didnt make a mistake 🤞
Getting my r56 stage 2 tune this weekend lol
I agree 100% with you! If you want something more powerful buy the car that was designed to be more powerful. That's the bottom line. I speak from personal experience. I chipped a former diesel vehicle of mine. Drove it for 3 years and then all of a sudden the car started going into limp mode for no reason, sometimes it would struggle to start or smoke excessively. Eventually after going back and forth with the chip manufacturer they suggested that the injectors might be faulty. I removed the chip and everything was back to normal, no limp mode anymore (sure 20% less torque etc. but I choose reliability over more power any day). Turns out that the injectors were taking strain from being constantly pushed harder to run at high pressures which affected their longevity. So yes you can modify your normal car to be more powerful, but it will affect the longevity. A car that was designed to run reliably for 300 000 km will now do half that before components start failing. It's only logical!
100% agree with this. Knowledge is key! Look past the gains and weigh up the pros and cons. Yeah sure get a remap but if you have a chocolate gearbox then be prepared.
I was contemplating getting the remap on my 420 d m sport bm but after watching this video I'm not going to bother you give good advice and it sounds more trouble than its worth juice ain't worth the squeeze thanks mate 😉
Glad I ran across this before doing it
you have made more sense in this video than anyone else on RUclips thank you
I watched this video after I remapped my Jeep Compass 2.0l disel 4x4, 170-230hp,350-450nm.
Great video. Well rounded, informative. I appreciate the insight.
Everything in your vehicle works as a unit. With that in mind you really have to pay attention to what and how much you upgrade on it. If you add more power you need to be sure of what else is being stressed because of the extra boost and either upgrade those items as well or drive only to the limit that it can handle.
Took me 4 years to finish my 88gt
Complete engine dismantle and upgrade to stage 3 track everything except heads top to bottom even injection was staged 3 and man did it ever preform.
Every time I got out I was shaking all over from the rush as if I had just escape death lol
I did everything by the book for my engine build but forgotten about the clutch..duh .. it didn’t last long.. I ordered a stage 3 race kit $600usd.
It was amazing and so much fun ... 3 weeks later I had to change the transmission because it completely shattered
Few weeks later another transmission.. then another until I realized my engine was killing them and it’s been parked for years now
I should have been smarter about it and took my time
Thanks for your advice mate, very helpful 🤙
Very informative opinion. And also correlates to what, despite them not being real, racing video games are basically telling you while you are modifying your cars. You HAVE to upgrade EVERY part on your car for each part compliments and supports the other! Games like Need for Speed and Gran Turismo go in depth letting you know that you can only upgrade one part of your car to "Street" "Underground" or "Pro" for so long while still racing the other parts still on stock and NOT see any huge improvement compared to where if you UPGRADE everything so that each part can handle what the other parts are putting out. Gran Turismo does this the best by telling you how you'll only see gains by using a closely tuned or compatible part with another. So yeah, before doing any ECU remapping, upgrade the core parts to withstand that new output demand. SO GLAD I watched this video before investing in just an ECU for my daily driver to give it a small boost of 60 to 70 HP to it's already lame 78 HP. Because that would have damaged the stock parts inside of it like SUPER bad and voided the warranty that I still have on it should anything bust and it's due to the aftermarket ECU installed. Oh well...
This makes so much sense. Thanks man
Depends what car you got & how well you do your homework on the hardware that’s in the car; for example; a 2015 BMW 320D Efficient Dynamics (163hp) has the exact same hardware as a 325D (220hp) gearbox, turbo, torque converter all the same! So you can safely stage 1 to 210hp; plus a stage 2 Xhp gearbox flash for the auto box actually improves the life of the gearbox; provided you don’t thrash the ass off it! But that principle applies wether a car is remapped or not
Yeah that’s my point but most people don’t know to check things like this first. You have to know your and how the manufacturer has made the final product. Yes, a lot of cars have a de-tuned engine with the same parts as a higher spec but you have to k ow and do your research.
Refreshing to have some honesty. Thanks mate, respect
Thank you. I have an M4 and am considering all sorts. I've learned something today. Thanks
M4 should handle it better to be fair. But m4 is already fast 😎
@@mrlopes1234 Yes it is fast but I wanted to get nearer (or on) the 500 Bhp mark (you know when you get used to a Cars power after a while), without making radical changes to the mechanics . Basically, your video showed me to be aware and not go too far in my optimism. The book/manual says 425 Bhp, it is actually nearer 480, so I think I will still tune it slightly.
Honest man and saved my money keep up lad
Great video fella. I've been debating wether to buy a BMW 320d and remap or a 330d and leave it stock and you've answered my question and likely saved huge headaches in the future. Thanks again 👌🏻
Thanks for the comment. You’ve embodied exactly what my point is. Good luck with you new car and enjoy. 👍🏼
Well it's obvious 330d would handle more power or go 335d even better,
You are not gona get more power from 4 pot
I've got Audi A3 1.8L qauttro, 180hp. I was contemplating tuning last week but after watching this video, I was like nah, I'm not doing it. I will spend the money on full service. Awesome video!
Tried explaining this to one of my friends who has the exact same car as the one you remapped and he didn’t understand that his going to stress all the OEM parts to the point of failure.
But i found your video and sent it to him and he backed down after hearing your experience with remap on his car.
Good job explaining mate.
Thanks for this. This confirmed my thoughts of "this is going to burn my car out fast AF" (Volvo s60 T5). My first thought was a remap sounds like a overclock on a CPU. it's gonna burn it out fast.
Great advice and wise words, like most things in life there is always a trade off, well presented.
i just was about to get a remap; but thank fk I found you. I am suddenly very happy with what I have. Thank GOD!
Great post 👍🏻 I stage 1’d a brand new S3 and pretty soon after got clutch slip problem, so I totally agree with this video and would even say don’t bother on the S or RS models either. If an S/RS stock vehicle isn’t fast enough take up F1
Please you have to know what youre doing when tuning your car.
I ported my head + intake + exhaust and ported the upgraded turbo myself, designed my own camshaft, Other exhaust system and of course took away the double mass flywhel and put in a solid flywheel. I remapped it by myself and Hp and kW were doubled and the car was great... But my head grew to big so I continued and now I am down in a swamp
You should have upgraded your clutch and flywheel to a stage 1 and saved yourself a lot of time and money. That's why they call the parts 'Stage 1'. Some cars can handle a stage 1 tune on stock parts but most these days can't. People always make that mistake thinking 'oh I'll get a stage one and my car will be better', sadly most of the time, this is incorrect.
Also take out the DPF and EGR and then remap it
Yeap exactly my thoughts
@@hspd8607 can you elaborate on the dpf and egr? Thanks
@@VV-wl8gb diesel particulate filter and exhaust gas return valve
I really appreciate your video . And truth be told if you have a top spec car of any brand definitely remap it because it can handle it but if it’s just a normal spec, any day car forget about.
I did this with my 1.4 tsi. It was 140hp and I remapped to 170hp. I wasn’t happy. I took it off. But put it back on with a higher output map to around 190hp and 50lbs of torque more. I felt it and I was happy.
The clutch went but that was largely due to the way I was dumping the clutch and not fully releasing it before accelerating.
I replaced the clutch but the remap I put back on never felt as good. Stick clutch was sach but replacement was luk. It felt heavier too.
There was no “updated clutches” for the 1.4.
In the end I got rid of the car.
Would I of done it again with that car? Yes because I know part of the reason why I ruined the clutch was my fault. The boost was probably stronger than my gti that I have now at the same torque figure. The power is stretched through the Rev range in my gti vs my 1.4 having all of it early in the Rev range at once which knocked me in my seat harder. But was shorter in the gears because it revved quickly.
The only thing I’d of done differently is before buying that 1.4. I was debating whether or not to get the 1.8. I was not contemplating remapping so the 1.4 won with better mpg.
Knowing the figures the 1.8 could remap as p to and better part availability I wish I chose the 1.8.
Ps I’m keeping my gti “stock”
Thoughtful video. Thank you
Unfortunately nobody ever gives the pitfalls of a remap so I appreciate the honesty.
Thanks for this video. I drive 1000km a week for work in my 85hp fiesta diesel and was almost going to do a remap. it would have increased the hp and torque significantly. I need my car in good health for work though for probably a few years more. You might have saved me a lot of money.
GLAD IT HELPED 😊
Thank you for the honest information, it is a great help.
useful, made my mind up now... thank you
I was going to map my 11 plate a3 tdi... I sent it in for a service like I do every 10 months and he said I need a new gearbox and clutch.... 4k later I realised these cars are not made of solid stuff. They break without extra power/torque.
That’s a VAG car for you.
Thanks for the valuable info bro 👍🏽
Great advice and honest! I've got a stage 1 BMW M4 (520bhp), the map is running fine but I'll tell you what's really bugging me, you can literally hear the turbos spooling a lot faster! Sounds weird, soulless!! And because of this reason, I'm selling it.. Like you said - lesson learned, I'm never tuning my cars again!
You should just not have a car to be honest mate. Complaining that your 520bhp M4 has sounds of a turbo? Sell it and don't buy another car. Unless ofcourse you're being sarcastic.
Oh shut up you twat.
@@tolgadevrin3536 OK you stuck up fuck 😂 be greatful that you can even own an M4
@@SassyOnline Stop being a keyboard warrior, you're more than welcome to join me for a drive to see what I mean.. If you have OCD like myself then trust me you'll know what I mean.
@@tolgadevrin3536 no one's ever complained about a turbo noise on a 520bhp M4 😂
This was hard to swollow i got 1.9 105bhp audi a3 and i think imma keep it as it is. Thanks for this video❤
Those tuners were amators!
A good tuner knows the transmission' limits!
I have and other people too, remap from EDS, Dimsport, BR-P, etc., for years, no problems ever!
I wouldn't say they were amateurs mate. It was done at AMD in Essex. I pretty sure they know what they are doing there. The only problem was that the car was pushing out 280lbs foot of torque before remap and 360ish lbs after remap. The flywheel was only rated for 300lbs max. I agree that the tuner should know the limits but in reality the tuner would tell me to upgrade the flywheel before remapping or not to bother if i'm not looking to upgrade it. I don't think they'll turn customers away otherwise they'd take a massive hit in their income lol
A tunner tune car on car parts made my manufacturer depend on quality of parts install in the factory at time of production trust they have too many quality variations in quality
Nice looking Merc btw - enjoy. Don't push it and take it easy cheers
OMFG! I had a B8 Audi S5 special edition TDI 170 that I got remapped as well and only after watching this video have I realised that I had a flywheel issue!
it would judder and vibrate when setting off in first gear which I thought was me not giving it enough throttle. no matter how smooth I was it would do it. I sold the car only 3 weeks ago not even realising this is the start of an expensive fix! RIP new buyers wallet, I didn't even realise that I've just dodged a bullet.
Buy stage 2 parts it will be sorted and you can keep your map.
What you are saying makes perfect sense mate. Thanks for the advice, really appreciate it.
100% correct, this kid is spot on and I'm an experienced mechanic and 30 experienced mechanical/aerospace engineer and this kid is right on the money. Listen to him or your car is going to go dud dud dud dud dud lol :)
You sound super old
Solid flywheel! Erm... no dud dud dud dud!
love your honesty you deserve a pat on the back every thing you said makes sense
Well it’s definitely changed my mind thanks fella
Nice to see honest free advice. Keep up the good workman.
Mate your on the level and convinced me
I've got a mini John cooper works coupe SD had it rematched 2 years ago DPF removed it's now got 198 bhp and 400 nm it's definitely not as economical as it was in urban extra urban or combined, the stop start now doesn't work which I think is a positive thing and also no traction control whatsoever once again positive thing, I drive it everyday and it's totally fine as soon as I put it in sports mode wow it completely changes everything every input I put in is amazing I totally control traction everything the steering is so precise I feel every thing through it it really reminds me of my Mark 1 golf GTI I had but just a lot quicker,, in the wet I can't come out of a roundabout and just floor it because it will just spin up I have to control feed the power in Which is so much fun whereas before it wasn't remapped the computer would just control how much grip etc etc I could have, so it really depends do you want a car that drives you or do you want a car you drive ?
Thanks very much for the info, this video made me go and research more about remaps and the tolerances on my vehicle. Ive got a performance saloon which has higher rated components than its current output and driving it, the car feels choked, like it has more to give, hoping a remap makes it feel smoother to drive more than anything. If not, the company offers 14 day free reversal if I'm not happy 👍
Cool. Come back and let us know how you get on. Thanks for your comment 👍🏼
So how did it go?
I’ve remapped 3 cars and haven’t had a problem...all diesels (BMW X5 3.0d, Audi A4 Cab 2.5 tdi V6, Land Rover Discovery 3.0 SDV6 HSE). Don’t bother remapping a petrol though as that isn’t worth the increase in bhp/torque. The mechanicals in a diesel are already beefy enough to deal with increased torque. The main thing is the research on the remap made by the company producing it...I’ve always used Superchips and always will. ‘Back street’ remaps and remaps purchased at the garage may be cheaper but will only cause problems, such as the mentioned flywheel issue, because the research hasn’t been carried out. I don’t work for Superchips, I’m just a satisfied customer.
Thanks for your honest feedback. It’s made me rethink remapping
Mate,I really needed to watch this 👍👍 I,m picking up a focus ST diesel this week & I actually considered getting a stage 1,so glad I watched this. Cheers mate 👍
Thank you. You’ve validated my assumption and helped me decide not to bother with a remap