*Richard on the podcast if ante was still legal* "This card is too good to put into your deck because what if you have to ante it. Look at Crim! *Clearly exasperated* He kept getting targeted because his cards were too good! Too shiny! That's why I play Spirited Companion."
For people who never watched Yu-Gi-Oh, Battle City was a tournament arc where the winner can take any single card from their opponents' deck and add it to their own. The idea was for the finalists to gather the 3 Egyptian God cards since those were the strongest cards in the anime. Ironically, sometimes some characters would take the non-Ace monster because adding it to their own deck would lose synergy because most Ace monsters required specific summoning conditions; like you take can take Sheoldred but you run a mono-white deck.
I'm not 100% sure as this was like 2 decades ago, but wasn't it predetermined or maybe even public knowlodge what card exactly each player was ante-ing? So you couldn't just take any card you wanted out of the loser's deck but you basically won a certain card (+ the location thingy)?
@@xEddyTheGr8x I think all the deck lists where made public and it was known what was the strongest card from each players deck but the winner still did decide what card to take.
@@xEddyTheGr8x In the anime, they announce how many "Locater Cards" are wagered beforehand, but the "ante" card is usually determined at the end of the duel. I recall Yugi announcing he was going to get back Joey's Red Eyes Dragon card for him being one of the few instances someone announces what they were getting if they win. The reason I think the winner picks which card afterwards was a scene where Joey takes Insect Queen instead of the Great Moth from Weevil announcing he'd have no way to summon Great Moth despite Great Moth being the stronger card. The reason being Joey would need a Petit Catepillar and a Cocoon of Evolution card as well. It kind of makes sense why it felt like it was Public Knowledge though because the "database" shows what the rarest card each character has and most of the time you would take the rarest card because back then cards were pretty generic. Like you'd know to take Blue Eye from Kaiba and Dark Magician from Yugi, but since both then owned a God card you'd take those instead.
@@VRanger100 Yeah, that sounds about right now that I think about it. Well, at least in BC, they finally had actual rules that they (mostly?) adhered to.
We played ante all the time, but didn't want to lose our cards so we would alternate each time we played buying a pack of revised back then, shuffle the pack and play for the top card of that. We didn't lose a card, expanded our collection and played all day at the same time for a prize and gloating.
WAAAY back in the day when we did this, most people just used a deck where they didn't mind losing anything in it. Lots of common lanawar elfs and giant growths, .. cards you could replace for less than a quarter, but could still get the job done.
@@nathand6467 it was a good way for us to build our collections. We were the only two magic players till our 2 other friends finally started around 4th edition
You can always play for money even online. Just make a pot and the winner takes it 😊 I love playing usual games for money. Just a little bit for the fun. Playing online for tickets would be spicy 😂
I came across an "Ante League" format a while back and, while I bought cards for it, I was never able to convince anyone else to play. Basically, players started with a few random booster packs + however many basic lands they wanted, and then they'd play games with an ante. Except that the ante amount was however many cards each player wanted and you *had* to use every card that you had won. So, there was people with 200+ card decks who were ante'ing 50 cards. It sounded wild!
This is actually nostalgic lol, I remember a run with my friends that I lost 4-5 cards straight through ante. Nothing of value but man it felt bad at the time…. My heart still misses my 9th benalish hero lol…. Also we did play with our entire collection as a library so anti a land could mean instant loss for the player as lands were so hard to come by at the time. (We did not have a shop to play at, dad would bring back packs and starter decks randomly after work for us all)
To be honest, this was WAY more entertaining of a theme than I expected for it to be. I'd love for this to be done in a cube for a whole season to see how a "collection" can grow from episode to episode.
I love how the deck intro was 3 people saying "I'm going to combo off and ante everyone's deck" and Phil saying he's literally going to coinflip the game. Peak Phil content.
Brings me back to playing Magic in Kindergarten where we were indeed playing for ante, and I lost my Lord of the Pit! I was crushed, but that was the game: you win some, you lose some!
5 color was a format played at the Magic Invitational that Kai won. The format was 250 card decks of all five colors, and you have to play with ante. Except winning doesn't necessarily matter - the format was structured such that whoever won the most value in the ante won. So Jeweled Bird broke the meta - Kai won because he was able to Jeweled Bird his ante and replace whatever valuable card he anted with a dollar rare, and since he had already won one match, his opponent (Dan Clegg) couldn't technically win no matter what he did.
7:20 so Alara revisit when pls? I love the plane of Alara and it’s story and we need to see now that the phyrexians did their nonsense how the plane has changed
I mean the invasion didn’t really scar planes. We have yet to see a card with Phyrexian elements in its art since MoM besides the non canon recycled art of the big score and MH3.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 you’re not entirely wrong it’s just we haven’t ‘been’ to Alara in over a decade and, in loose release order with some omitted for brevity. Here are sets/events that have occurred since zendikar and eldrazi pt1, scars of mirrodin/phyrexia pt1, gatecrash, return to ravnica, kaladesh, tarkir, eldraine, theros, innistrad, eldrazi pt2, strixhaven, kaldheim, kamigawa revisit, baldurs gate, capenna, phyrexia pt2, shit we’ve even had multiple un-sets. Plenty of time (and events) for things to have changed tho is my point.
Randy Buehler was asked in an interview once what was the highest stakes he played for. His answer wasn't one of the grand prix finales he won or lost, but a game of ante where he got his Black Lotus in the pile. He was about to lose, and then draw his Jeweled Bird, that allowed him to remove the lotus from the ante.
my favorite use of ante is for Nightmare '99 tournaments, where you just get to use the ante cards you win for the rest of your tournament run and you can go up to more than 4 copies on a card if you get extra via ante.
1:54 € 29.999,00 is the cheapest one ring in this precise printing - holiday release, double rainbow foil - available at cardmarket at the time I watch this. (The recent average still is 5k. So yeah.) That is one hell of an ante to hit.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we go all in on the first flop and lose our shirt. Will Seth get escorted out for counting cards or will Crim hit it big at the craps table? Tune-in to find out!
These ante cards are busted in the 1996 Microprose MTG computer game. I would often just stack a deck with a bunch of Tempest Efreets and Bronze Tablets, then go hunt down dragons to steal their moxen and sol rings. Just one more reason that's the best MTG digital game of all time.
You know what? If you gp back on the be...Ante and keep your cards, I wouldnt care. Just the excerside of ahowing the mechanic was a blast! What a fun game
I also keep telling them this - probably a result of the little bit of delay in everyone's video of him from Germany - I would like them to be a bit more disciplined in staying quieter on other people''s turns!
If I don't see Tomer playing The One Ring (THAT version!) the next Commander Clash, then I'm not gonna believe in this! It's impossible that Seth will give that card away. But the episode was a blast! I loved every minute of it!
We're exchanging the cards at MagicCon Vegas next month, so it won't be next episode, but I'm sure Tomer will be playing it in the future, unfortunately for me.
Seth regrets everything IMMEDIATELY.
Should've been the title of this video hahahahaha
*Richard on the podcast if ante was still legal*
"This card is too good to put into your deck because what if you have to ante it. Look at Crim! *Clearly exasperated* He kept getting targeted because his cards were too good! Too shiny! That's why I play Spirited Companion."
Hahaha!!! 100%!
Or something like "I'm actually playing Swords to Plowshares in my deck so that I can ante garbage cards"
*sighs*
I want you guys to rule zero WAY more so I love this.
Yes 😂😂
Yep!
Rule zero and crazy stipulation commander clash are what gets me to click!
For people who never watched Yu-Gi-Oh, Battle City was a tournament arc where the winner can take any single card from their opponents' deck and add it to their own. The idea was for the finalists to gather the 3 Egyptian God cards since those were the strongest cards in the anime. Ironically, sometimes some characters would take the non-Ace monster because adding it to their own deck would lose synergy because most Ace monsters required specific summoning conditions; like you take can take Sheoldred but you run a mono-white deck.
I'm not 100% sure as this was like 2 decades ago, but wasn't it predetermined or maybe even public knowlodge what card exactly each player was ante-ing? So you couldn't just take any card you wanted out of the loser's deck but you basically won a certain card (+ the location thingy)?
@@xEddyTheGr8x I think all the deck lists where made public and it was known what was the strongest card from each players deck but the winner still did decide what card to take.
@@xEddyTheGr8x In the anime, they announce how many "Locater Cards" are wagered beforehand, but the "ante" card is usually determined at the end of the duel. I recall Yugi announcing he was going to get back Joey's Red Eyes Dragon card for him being one of the few instances someone announces what they were getting if they win.
The reason I think the winner picks which card afterwards was a scene where Joey takes Insect Queen instead of the Great Moth from Weevil announcing he'd have no way to summon Great Moth despite Great Moth being the stronger card. The reason being Joey would need a Petit Catepillar and a Cocoon of Evolution card as well.
It kind of makes sense why it felt like it was Public Knowledge though because the "database" shows what the rarest card each character has and most of the time you would take the rarest card because back then cards were pretty generic. Like you'd know to take Blue Eye from Kaiba and Dark Magician from Yugi, but since both then owned a God card you'd take those instead.
@@VRanger100 Yeah, that sounds about right now that I think about it. Well, at least in BC, they finally had actual rules that they (mostly?) adhered to.
I'd still take Sheoldred because it's a 40$ card
The one ring 😂😂 Seth was excited for this until he flipped that…
Shoulda played more basics 😅
And a super fancy expensive version at that!
Good thing this wasn't for real (I assume).
edit: Oh, no. Seth!
@@Welverin They are doing it for realsies - exchanging the cards at GP Vegas!
@@jfrizzell6645 Yeah, I saw a reply by Tomer after my comment, I feel bad for Seth.
Oh god...
@@Welverinthe base version a $100 so Is one like $150+?
Both Seth and Tomer trying to make everyone ante their entire deck is crazy
I love how the intro is basically everyone going "Everyone is going to ante their entire decks and then I'm going to win"
I demand a follow-up and the winner has to show themselves holding the ante pile IN THEIR HANDS
We're planning to exchange the cards in Vegas next months rather than shipping them out, but it's coming :)
@@MTGGoldfishCommanderI love that you guys have made it a habit of going to GP Vegas every year
@@MTGGoldfishCommander Wait, you did it for REAL!?
Seth, if you see this, I'm so sorry.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander better get picture of the winner with the cards
@@MTGGoldfishCommander Surely when in Vegas y'all double down and play another ante game?
Seth and Tomer took Crim to another level and are LITERALLY taking the tables stuff.
We played ante all the time, but didn't want to lose our cards so we would alternate each time we played buying a pack of revised back then, shuffle the pack and play for the top card of that.
We didn't lose a card, expanded our collection and played all day at the same time for a prize and gloating.
WAAAY back in the day when we did this, most people just used a deck where they didn't mind losing anything in it. Lots of common lanawar elfs and giant growths, .. cards you could replace for less than a quarter, but could still get the job done.
This is sick. Thought of doing something like this myself. Gambling but without the insane lows lol.
@@godlyMike127 granted packs back then where $2, but for $6 we could play all day and build our collections
@@nathand6467 it was a good way for us to build our collections. We were the only two magic players till our 2 other friends finally started around 4th edition
“Is phil my harley quinn?” LOL
"Guys we gotta kill Phil" ... Tomer underworld breaches into an infinite ante loop
Crim's rug really tied the game together, man!
This was so much fun!! My prediction is a bunch of other commander shows are going to start doing this after seeing this video
This is the best episode of commander clash yet
What an AMAZING idea, I've always wanted to see these cards in action.
Casting a Minds Eye into a Price of Glory was a certified Seth moment
This was one of the best Magic videos on YT! Well done, crew!
Well one actual positive of paper magic is that they can do things like this.
Is it realy a positive 😅
You can always play for money even online. Just make a pot and the winner takes it 😊 I love playing usual games for money. Just a little bit for the fun.
Playing online for tickets would be spicy 😂
@@tobiaskrieger9481 to each their own.
That said, i hope we can agree on this, cards that effect the winnings are not good design.
@@Shimatzu95you are on a magic channeling and don’t like gambling?
@@DiscardatRandom Not sure i get what you mean.
What a great Rule 0 game idea!
Seth with booster boxes: "I kinda like this!"
Seth with ante: "I kinda like this!"
Seth with Russian roulette: "I kinda like this!"
I came across an "Ante League" format a while back and, while I bought cards for it, I was never able to convince anyone else to play.
Basically, players started with a few random booster packs + however many basic lands they wanted, and then they'd play games with an ante. Except that the ante amount was however many cards each player wanted and you *had* to use every card that you had won. So, there was people with 200+ card decks who were ante'ing 50 cards. It sounded wild!
If you ever want to do this let me know this sounds amazing
I think this just dethroned the Power 9 episode as my favorite Commander Clash lol. Amazing episode
I love Crim relating in every way from music taste to tv/anime taste
That was great, the combo at the end was so perfect. Poor Seth though, very unlucky.
i can't believe tomer hates weddings and true love in general.
Perhaps that may change should he receive one ring upon his hand.
51:36 I literally screamed at the screen: "That is so COOL!"
You're so cool, Tomer, for winning with such a sweet combo :D
I love that they actually will give the cards, love to see friends playing really for fun!
I'm at work so I'll have to watch later, but I think every Commander Clash from now on should be played with Ante. That sounds AMAZING!
I've been building a Commander draft cube with Ante cards, so I'm always happy to see Ante cards in action!
This is actually nostalgic lol, I remember a run with my friends that I lost 4-5 cards straight through ante. Nothing of value but man it felt bad at the time…. My heart still misses my 9th benalish hero lol…. Also we did play with our entire collection as a library so anti a land could mean instant loss for the player as lands were so hard to come by at the time. (We did not have a shop to play at, dad would bring back packs and starter decks randomly after work for us all)
To be honest, this was WAY more entertaining of a theme than I expected for it to be.
I'd love for this to be done in a cube for a whole season to see how a "collection" can grow from episode to episode.
Around the 27 min mark, Tomer played tutored Crim's turn to use the mana he gave him. He should have taken 2 damage because of the two rugs out.
The whole Mind’s Eye and then reaction to how it works with Price of Glory was hilarious.
That was great. I haven’t watched an entire game of yours play out in a while
This is very fun one of the managers at my local game stores used to play for chosen ante and use the black/jeweled bird it was so much fun.
I love how the deck intro was 3 people saying "I'm going to combo off and ante everyone's deck" and Phil saying he's literally going to coinflip the game. Peak Phil content.
I couldnt help but say "rugburn" in my head each time the Rug dealt damage
This is easily the most entertaining clash. I rarely have the interest to see who wins - but this? Wow! I have to know!
That final loop the winner played was mind blowing
I would love to watch a Rule 0 gameplay with the Grandeur creatures.
I think somebody had the idea already. But imagine content with ante for charity gameplay
You guys got to do this again. Can’t believe the ending was ante everything or I win
This is great, do more of this!
Can't wait for the silver border cards episode(s)
I’ve never seen you four play together - this group has great chemistry!
This game was fun but fucking stressful to watch. Ante can stay dead lol
Love tomer on these videos what a way to keep things fresh
That ending was really on theme. Good game everyone!!!
39:47 got me. Seth's reaction definitely earned my like.
Brings me back to playing Magic in Kindergarten where we were indeed playing for ante, and I lost my Lord of the Pit! I was crushed, but that was the game: you win some, you lose some!
WHAT R U DOING SETH? Gotta bring the budget on this week😅😂🤣
Actually so cool. Hopeful for this to come back one day.
This was on of the most interesting videos to watch.
"Look what I'm doing now, thats worth dying for."
"Thats a risk I'm willing to take for card draw."
Phil-osophy
I like Tomer's theory about the vampire wedding. I'll cross my fingers the darts land on Eldrazi birthday next time 🥳
5 color was a format played at the Magic Invitational that Kai won. The format was 250 card decks of all five colors, and you have to play with ante. Except winning doesn't necessarily matter - the format was structured such that whoever won the most value in the ante won. So Jeweled Bird broke the meta - Kai won because he was able to Jeweled Bird his ante and replace whatever valuable card he anted with a dollar rare, and since he had already won one match, his opponent (Dan Clegg) couldn't technically win no matter what he did.
This might be the best premise so far
This theme is amazing! Never thought of adding ante back to the game. Maybe a new format for Vegas
My favorite Ante card is: Blyte, Bad Influence.
boo
7:20 so Alara revisit when pls? I love the plane of Alara and it’s story and we need to see now that the phyrexians did their nonsense how the plane has changed
I mean the invasion didn’t really scar planes. We have yet to see a card with Phyrexian elements in its art since MoM besides the non canon recycled art of the big score and MH3.
@@laurentrobitaille2204 you’re not entirely wrong it’s just we haven’t ‘been’ to Alara in over a decade and, in loose release order with some omitted for brevity. Here are sets/events that have occurred since zendikar and eldrazi pt1, scars of mirrodin/phyrexia pt1, gatecrash, return to ravnica, kaladesh, tarkir, eldraine, theros, innistrad, eldrazi pt2, strixhaven, kaldheim, kamigawa revisit, baldurs gate, capenna, phyrexia pt2, shit we’ve even had multiple un-sets. Plenty of time (and events) for things to have changed tho is my point.
Literally just YESTERDAY my mom asked me “do you guys gamble on this game?”
Thank goodness ante is gone because it always felt so bad. This episode was so much fun though, so thank you commander clash crew!
Genuinely amazing episode.
This is amazing. Definitely not something you can do all the time but seems like an amazing way to play magic once a year lol
That was amazing to witness. It felt like watching a train wreck in slow motion!
I'd never want to play with Ante, but it was entertaining alright.
Thanks for doing this, I really do miss ante.
Awww. I wanted to see Crim play Spiteful Visions. It's one of my favourite cards and it is so a Crim card.
Randy Buehler was asked in an interview once what was the highest stakes he played for. His answer wasn't one of the grand prix finales he won or lost, but a game of ante where he got his Black Lotus in the pile. He was about to lose, and then draw his Jeweled Bird, that allowed him to remove the lotus from the ante.
Glad you guys beat Skill Check to doing this theme 😂
CLASH ON
my favorite use of ante is for Nightmare '99 tournaments, where you just get to use the ante cards you win for the rest of your tournament run and you can go up to more than 4 copies on a card if you get extra via ante.
1:54
€ 29.999,00 is the cheapest one ring in this precise printing - holiday release, double rainbow foil - available at cardmarket at the time I watch this. (The recent average still is 5k. So yeah.) That is one hell of an ante to hit.
I am so glad I got to see Tomer's deck combo off.
This was a fun game to watch, great win from Tomer.
Best vid yet, loved it!! Shame about the infinite combo win 😛
The 'Vampire Wedding' theme really did feel a bit like fish sundae.
This was an amazingly fun one!
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" we go all in on the first flop and lose our shirt. Will Seth get escorted out for counting cards or will Crim hit it big at the craps table? Tune-in to find out!
Love how Crim is the only one stoked in the thumbnail
I'd been hoping for an Ante episode ever since I found out about it!
Brilliant idea!
Can't believe Seth didn't tutor for the Contract from Below in the first place
Man, now I wanna play with ante. :^D
that was amazing. Please do this again! :)
Need to do all unset decks when you meet up in Vegas!
well played tomer - "I ante all of ur decks or u can concede" XD what a ridiculous rule ...
5:07 A Commander game with old school rules would be cool! Bring back damage on the stack and mana burn.
These ante cards are busted in the 1996 Microprose MTG computer game. I would often just stack a deck with a bunch of Tempest Efreets and Bronze Tablets, then go hunt down dragons to steal their moxen and sol rings. Just one more reason that's the best MTG digital game of all time.
Do it cowards, play a game where damage is on the stack!
LMAO it's so Seth to actually flip the one ring first time
Figuratively stealing each other's cards.
I am unreasonably glad that the ante game had such an absolutely insane finisher.
You know what? If you gp back on the be...Ante and keep your cards, I wouldnt care. Just the excerside of ahowing the mechanic was a blast! What a fun game
I wanna hear more from brewer’s kitchen he always gets cut off and he’s too nice to get loud
I also keep telling them this - probably a result of the little bit of delay in everyone's video of him from Germany - I would like them to be a bit more disciplined in staying quieter on other people''s turns!
The stakes couldn't be higher after that one ring pull
If I don't see Tomer playing The One Ring (THAT version!) the next Commander Clash, then I'm not gonna believe in this!
It's impossible that Seth will give that card away.
But the episode was a blast! I loved every minute of it!
We're exchanging the cards at MagicCon Vegas next month, so it won't be next episode, but I'm sure Tomer will be playing it in the future, unfortunately for me.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander Works for me, hehehehe. Thanks for the answer, Seth.
Timmerian fiends doing work
There is no way I would play a 40$+ card in an ante game haha thats nuts
flipping a like 700$ one ring was so good
When the boss is out of the house the employees start a gambling ring. I wonder how Richard feels about this... ; )