The Sound Couple - Long Day, Cold Starts
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The Sound Couple takes on a multiple band plus a DJ all day event! We don't do a lot of these types of events, so we are ready for the challenge when we do! However, Stacy was not feeling well, but as we all know, the show must go on!
In this video, we cold start three bands....Since there were no sound checks, we mapped the console out to account for all bands and wired and checked monitors before each performance...
This video features supurb musicianship which sure makes mixing the FOH easy if the monitors are dialed in...We show you that process in detail and you will see how that extra work pays off!
This was also the gig where Bart did an actual walkthrough - as seen in the linked video!
The Sound Couple primarily use PreSonus gear featuring:
PreSonus UC Surface
PreSonus CDL12
PreSonus CDL18s
PreSonus 32R
PreSonus SW5E
PreSonus NSB Stageboxes
PreSonus AVB-D16
Please see our "About" for a more comprehensive list of gear we use.
That first band was absolutely amazing!!!!!!! 💯
They are are a super group of local musicians...a few are on national tours and do this group for fun when not out on the road. All really nice people.
That first band was absolutely banging! The drummer was killer. And the young lady on sax was extremely attractive. Nice sound work Bart and Stacy 👍🏻
This was a great gig that we will not soon forget! Nice change of pace for sure!
The worst part is packing out, I remember those days all to well. Great job!
As long as these videos remain...so will we! Glad we can trigger some memories for you!
This is totally my NETFLIX i appreciate your work that you are not selfish you show all you agat. Actually i have learnt washing the mic from feedback from here and how to make the crazy sounds😁 Thank you SOUND COUPLE
LOL, thanks for making us your Netflix! We are happy to know that you're getting something out of these! We figure, if we go through it, someone else may and can learn from our trials and tribulations!
So glad to see you guys back. I was going crazy looking everyday for new videos. Lol. I know you guys have alot on your plate. God bless you both !!!!
Thanks so much for your patience!
"Swamped in reverb!" Once in a while my friend Danny who is Vietnamese, needs me to cover a gig for him. The thing about the Asian community is they want to be totally swamped in reverb, and even when I over apply FX to their voice, they always ask for more! I swear I could pack up, go home, and stand outside my door and still hear the trail ending of the voice from the last song! Crazy!
The older I get the drier my mix gets!
I am a pretty heavy FX user. Mainly mixing live worship music (indoors, which is different from what you guys are doing with these outdoor gis and such). I have 2 verbs and 2 delays available pretty much all the time. Reverbs help me "glue" the channels to the space and to each other. Delays and long verbs add ambient space for vocals and fill in the gaps.
Same for me 😅. Im pretty much mixing indoor the whole time.. For worship. But yeah. I kinda use same fx as you.. Difference is.. I usr a tap delay.. And a tap button to always set the time for delay according to the tempo of the song.. Its pretty great.
@@lightprorecords totally! Tap delay is awesome. I’ve been experimenting with a short delay to just add some thickness to vocal along with the long delay for the trails
Congratulations Stacy and Bart for another excellent job.
Thank you so much!
For a while I havent’t seen a video from you ,but let me tell you Stacy and Bart it’s always a great pleasure to see you’re vídeos.
Thanks for your patience! We enjoy sharing these with you.
Awesome job again! that 1st band was amazing!!!!
Thanks! - They were top notch!
Hello my friends good to see you again, lots of strength and love
Thanks!
The washboard guy was an absolute joy to watch lol.
Editing the performances is one of the most agonizing part of making the videos...in this case, I just had to let the song finish as we thought this was entertaining to watch as well....thanks for confirming!
Great to see you again!
Thanks!
You guys do a great job!!! I do live sound as well for festival type of events but also I church. Worship music is pretty FX heavy work reverb and delays. When I work secular events, I still use fx on drums and vocals. If any brass I
Put them on the same send as the drums so it “glues” everything together with a decay time of 1.27 seconds. Fix can literally make or break a mix. Keep up the good work SC!!! I’m a huge fan.
Thank you for your comments and insights!
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good job guys its nice to hung the lights its more clean setup and looks very professional
Thank you!
yeeeessss. finally a next video.....nice to see you both again
Thanks for your patience - it's good to be back.
Glad to see you guys back awesome job as always!!
Thanks again!
Saludos a todos,!!! Desde los Reyes La Paz, Edo. De México
¡Gracias por ver!
Long break, glad to see you back.
It's good to be back! Thanks for your patience!
15:59 Bart channeled his inner K-9 😂
Woww haven’t seen a video from you guys in a while nice to see you guys back
Yes, we have been busy with some other things...been working on this one for some time, but we finally got 'er done!
@@thesoundcouple well is very nice to see you guys back .. I’ve learned a lot from your Chanel …many blessings
I've been only watching you guys for a couple days now :) Just got a Presonus Board and Being inspired to get better in mixing and stumble a couple vids from you guys
It's comments like yours that motivate us to keep doing this....thank you!
glad u guys are back. hope all is well. love the show !
Thanks for your patience!
Great video! Seems like a long day.
It was! Glad not all gigs are like this, but these ones are fun to do every now and again.
I’ve seen a few different videos now I find what you guys do to be very informative and helpful for my own sound business.
There maybe a video of this from way back that I haven’t seen but I wanted to ask if you can go thru a rig rundown of sorts with what your using to mix front of house.
The challenge is that it is always changing! But here are few videos we have done that go over our consoles at that time:
ruclips.net/video/7vzkD7LHnG0/видео.htmlsi=gZIMTCnTcxbssJVR
ruclips.net/video/ftzx_EsBLuQ/видео.htmlsi=7juiIF-DGd0QLO36
ruclips.net/video/0rWfKWEWOFg/видео.htmlsi=mbMGIvhchiW1SQVG
First off thank you for your content! Second, I'm glad you got to be more daring with you time based FX. I tend to use mine only when the music needs it I always catch myself doing the same as you, just having a dry mix, most of the time the surrounding area is enough FX's 😁
You're welcome...yes, most rooms these days do a good job supplying their own FX's!
Welcome back! Missed you guys! I finally got to hear the Presonus speakers in person, and I can say I was very impressed for the price point, as in I'm buying some.
I buy 4 of the CDL 12 P and the clip very fast, I don't like them at all.
Good luck with them!
@@thesoundcouple I love your videos.
@@ricardoacosta00 Thanks!
HEllo . I am a supporter Since 1 minute ago. I really enjoy what you guys doing . keeps uploading.
Will do! We got a bunch more waiting!
I'm likin the verb Bart. I'm surprised they didn't back line it. I always have to play other people drums in these situations 😔 lol. Awesome job guys as always 🤘
In this case we were lucky that there was enough time in between bands - also another reason for the DJ. It helped that the first drummer was the one who organized the whole event :)
Oh ok that's awesome.
Great job!
Thanks!
I usually have a couple different verbs ready to go. One more of a longer room or plate verb and another focused primarily on early reflections. For an outdoor show I'll use more of the former. To me it's less about being dry vs. wet or even about emulating a space, but about feeling connected so I'll massage the reverbs until I bridge that gap and it sounds warm and musical.
Interesting perspective....have not thought about that way, but you gave me something to think about.
Horns sounded great at the end
Thanks!
I use "Reverb+Delay" back to a few Channels so I can EQ the effects. I usually roll down the lows turn up the highs on Horns and Vocals. I adjust vocals effects like the recording and the same with the horns. I adjusted the lead sax with the effects and he was going through the crowd and headed towards me. So I was waiting for my butt whooped, It was just the opposite. I made him sound like Grover Washington. I like to have my hands on the faders anyway "Old School". Real Time mixing on Vocals, Lead Guitar, Keyboards and Horns up a dB or 2. Quit a few musicians and audience could tell if I'm Mixing or not which makes me feel good. Nice job by the way. I wish I had your awesome Mixing control setup.
Thank you for sharing your insights and comments. It's been a long journey to get to where we are at...sometimes wish we should of tried for more.
Ty as always
You're welcome Rob!
Nice bands 👍
They made it easy, that's for sure!
I think you guys would love the Global Truss Quick Rig clamps to make your life easier especially in these situations. They also work on speaker stand poles and don’t scratch anything.
Oh boy. This may be my new favorite life saver! Thanks for the suggestion!
It was a great joy to see The Sound Couple in action once again. I appreciated the opportunity to see the actual gig that you first gave us a walk-through at 3:34 in video ruclips.net/video/5WMspG1he0I/видео.html.
Those of us who aspire to elevate our professionalism in production, particularly appreciate the care Bart and Stacy take to illustrate for us the steps they take to deliver a consistently high quality of sound reinforcement at these various venues. As usual, this video offered us several key learning opportunities, that I take note of for my own purposes:
1. Even with Stacy a bit under the weather-and hoping she is feeling much better-the team effort during setup always shows how important it is to have specific duties for each team member and also when it is necessary for the team to work together to accomplish a task.
2. It is always encouraging to see the care that Bart gives to the tuning of the monitors, making certain to remove any annoying artifacts that the venue may add that detracts from the clarity of the sound. Bart's technique in making careful adjustments illustrates the time it takes to finesse the system, thus assuring that those attending the event will get the best experience possible.
3. Stacy and Bart both have a way of working with others that eases any of the stress that setting up and executing production may have. Watching how each one of them works with the other individuals gives us a good pattern to follow in our own engagements at gigs.
4. Bart's discussion of experimenting with different levels of reverb was very helpful. He has a high-level of skill in mixing various bands. The fact that he is always looking to improve his already substantial skills gives us another goal to add to our own list of enabling objectives.
As always, a huge "Thank You!" to The Sound Couple for sharing this video with us. We are glad to have the privilege of coming along on this gig.
Thank you Dean! Always appreciate your insights and feedback!
nice sound
Thank you!
que bom que voltaram com os videos
obrigado pela sua paciência!
Like you Bart im not big on "swampy" reverb. I use a little plate reverb for the presence and a tap delay on vocals. On the snare i use a small hall and thats about it. Everything else is pretty much dry.
Thanks for sharing. This made me that when you go to big concerts, any FX on lead vocals are very subtle...whereas it seems like small scale (a.k.a. bar mixes) seem heavy on FX.
Sound Good
Thank you!
Hi glad to see the sound couple again in action🎉😊😊I think the fx effects on presonus mixer a little crappy..
We have heard the same...we are able to make them work for us.
Loving the videos as always, I remember previously when you were explaining how you mix with your CDL‘s that you run them as independent versus the arrays setting is that still the case with this video?
They sound amazing as always, and you guys are definitely a reason we purchased ours
Yes it is...they get a little thin sounding for my taste if we select an array setting.
What?
I didn't know you played keyboards so well. wonderful sound!
That's not us! Maybe in a different life....LOL!
Uh… so that first band is stupid good. Great drum mix!
Thanks.. they were very fun to work with :)
I mix worship at my church. I always have verb and tap delay available. I use the tap delay sparingly, primarily at the end of a phrase or to help thicken held note like “oooh” or “aaahh”. I control the send , not the return on the delay.
Thanks Stephen!
I'm on the dry side. Touch of verb on the vox, touch of verb on the snare. When its in doors its very modest because it makes things muddy (even if I roll off the low end of the return) and outdoors, I can pump it up a little bit more, but I'm still pretty conservative. I prefer compression to glue not fx.
Thanks for sharing!
Will be mixing for a 12 hour outdoor gig (OnyenStalk) August 5th! PreSonus 32R and 32SC.
That's a long day, hope you have some help! We haven't used our rack mixer in any stage box configuration for a long time, but it's great to have that flexibility!
Once again, the sound couple is back in full action. You guy's make your load in, and setup look so easy. Nice sounding mix. Is there any way you can make a video on your drums monitor with subwoofer setup?
Thanks! Your video request is something we can put on our list…we don’t often get the chance to use this setup, but when we do, the drummers are always very appreciative!
A primeira banda é muito boa !!!😀
Sim, eles estão!
In future we want to see Stacy mixing too
You got it! check out 28:52: ruclips.net/video/fRWoIt1WPsU/видео.html and here at 16:15! ruclips.net/video/qtDqLArIJaA/видео.html
MUY BUENO
¡Gracias!
32:25 those CDL’s sounding great!
Thanks - we've been really happy with them!
Diving in…
1. Yes I usually like a good bit of reverb and delay. However I don’t like too much. If my ears are drawn to the effect where I’m thinking about it, then it’s usually too much.
Tips for mixing it in are EQ’ing either the FX send or return. I usually EQ the return. The delay return is a HPF up to 250hz and a LPF at 2k. That really takes care of a lot of the “direct” sound of the delay out and allows me to increase the saturation of the effect in the mix without it being a full spectrum repeat of the original signal and makes it call less attention to itself.
If the room I’m in is always a wash bucket, then I typically don’t use much if at all.
Ultimately, it’s not a “default” thing. It truly depends on the content and what the music and moment calls for. I never do anything just cause that’s what I always do. My ears and interpretation of the source always makes the call unless told otherwise by the client.
Agree with everything you say...ears are ultimately your source of truth because things always change. I have seen some people think there is a "correct setting"....maybe for that moment but then it will change.
@@thesoundcouple absolutely! Always love the sound couple videos!!
FX in mixing is very genre dependant for me. I do however have a boat load of FX at the ready. A drum room, which all drums get sent to, to try and get some of the room mic vibes in a recording studio, a plate reverb for snare, and potentially toms, instrument room, guitar tap delay (rarely used, sometimes I'll throw horns in it) vocal room, vocal hall, vocal tape slap delay, vocal tap delay, and pitch modulation simulating the old Eventide H3000 vocal thickening studio trick
Thanks for sharing your approaches!
I mix fairly dry. I feel like it's easier to work with once you figure out the room and play off of the natural reverb from the room.
Thank you for sharing!
Great video Bart and Stacy! I would really like to know what kind of stage that was and if it was good in your opinion. I am in the market for a trailer stage.
I wish we could tell you what kind of stage we had! It worked out very well for this event. Interestingly enough, we were looking back through some pictures of past gigs and realized it was provided for another show. Not sure if it's a custom build or manufactured. Will let you know if we come across it again!
I split all my vocal channels. Main is fairly dry with a light plate reverb. Secondary is a heavier hall reverb. Lead Vox gets more plate and less hall, BGV gets more hall and less plate. I send moor of the plate channels to in-ears so that their vocals don’t get washed out as bad in their aux mix.
It sounds like you have spent a lot of time researching and experimenting on verbs.
@@thesoundcouple i mix bands with as many 4-8 vocal were each member has their lead song or two, then they take a BGV roll on other songs. This technique allows me to bring them forward or push them back in the mix with a simple fader toggle all while maintaining a full big sound.
I like adding a liiiiiiiitle reverb to the snare when the song warrants it, like when there's a heavy breakdown or there's a lot of open space in the music and it lends to it. I'll even add it to a floor tom. other than that i like a tight and open drum sound.
How good they sound naturally also plays a big role...I have used reverb to cover up some pretty bad sounding kits!
Wow, Kevin Gastonguay, the keys player in Cory Wong’s band. Cool!!
Yes...most of the band lives in the Twin Cities area so they are out and about playing with different groups...we run into Kevin on occassion!
Was the keys player in the first band named Kevin Gastonguay by any chance? I swear that was him. He plays in Cory Wong's band and is a monster keyboardist.
Yes! Kevin is a great player and great to work with! Cory is based out of Minneapolis where we are located as well.
I put heavy compression on the reverb FX Channel with a fast release so when the singer pauses the effects will come in stronger. While they are singing the effects are there, but not so wet it's only on the pauses the effects kick in harder if that makes sense. It's easy to do with the presonus board
Interesting....will check into this.
I love your guy's videos keep them coming I just had one question what is the most used wireless DMX dongle that you like to use that is an everyday workhorse that gives you less issues and is worth the bang for the buck
We are sticking with our Donner DMX's....however, we recently switched to a more powerful DMX transmitter to save us a bit of time and we hope is more reliable....but overall, no huge complaints relying wireless DMX.
@@thesoundcouple thanks been looking for a solid DMX wireless receiver and transmitter
@@jamesalan7041 We just picked this up in part because we kept breaking the lipstick stye transmitters that come with the Donners. Now we have this one mounted and it's always ready to go and it can adjust the signal strength. www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQQ9WJKQ?psc=1&ref=product_details
The boys' band with brass Very good!
Somzeira...
and the third band TOP
I noticed it had a sub and a high as a side pro drum! Did it not pollute the drum mic or was it quiet in the mix?
Congratulations, I missed your videos, they are very inspiring!
The sub on drums didn't mess with the mix...there was a lot of open space. We are glad we can help out!
rock I don't use a lot of verb but when mixing any type of latin music they always ask for tons of reverb. I try (depending on room) to add a little to the snare for width, horns just because, always on an acoustic without pedals, vocals just enough that you really wouldn't notice if they were just speaking.
Thanks for sharing!
Fx to me really depends on what style of music I’m mixing. rock style i usually lean more towards delay on vocals, verb on snare. I use the studiolive also. My effects stay the same all the time. FX A&B are verbs, FX C&D are tap delays. One delay is usually slower. Ill just unmute for the end of words or phrases. The other delay is faster usually for vocals or guitars. Sometimes horns, harmonica. The amount really depends on the style/feel of the song. One song could be very subtle and another could be very noticeable.
Thanks for sharing - we use the same exact approach.
Cool looking stage! Is it portable, or is it installed?
It is portable. Ironically enough, I was looking through some gig pictures today and we were on that very stage a few years ago as well!
41:10, can’t you just leave the clamps on the lighting bar? That’s what we do so that it can interface with a truss or throw on a stand and go.
You could, but unfortunately they don’t fit back into the case. We typically break out these clamps once a year. Good thought though!
@@thesoundcouple ah! Makes sense!
Regarding your first comment and question; are FX overused...? In my frank opinion; it depends how the effect is being used and what the music is. There is one person I know who uses a lot of reverb; it sounds like the singers are at the bottom of a well, and I really don't like it. I tend to have reverb set at a point where it's notable by it's absence, rather than it's presence.
I don't use a lot of FX when mixing. I was running PreSonus 16.4.2 for quite a few years, and as that only had two FX racks, I ran reverb on one, and delay on the other. I now run M32 and have far more FX racks available to me and the only extra I use is gated reverb on drums if it suits the genre.
Edit: Ooh, you have the NSB32.16! Cool!
There was a comment that someone made where they "apply enough FX to hear it, and then back it off"...that sounds like what you are saying. The NSB 32's are nice, but still can be quirky unfortunately.
@thesoundcouple That's my approach too, apply enough to hear it, then back it off.
I was really happy that PreSonus released that product; it was certainly a gap in their product line.
My golden rule for reverb:
Add to you can just hear it and then take it a bit back.
That's exactly where my tendencies go, especially with vocals...thanks for the clarity.
What would you use 6 or 8 effects slots for? What would be loaded into each slot and for what instruments/purpose?
It would be nice to use different verbs on instruments (e.g. drums/horns) and same with vocals. Then for delays, to be able to have a couple different styles (e.g. short/long) and be able to mix them. Finally, it would be nice to have at the ready a chorus or flange.
that snare reverb sounded at @26:35 really good. what reverb type and settings were on it ?
PreSonus 32R. Digital XL Reverb. Drum Small Room 1. PreDelay 0, Reflection .61, Size 23.83, LPF 5.76 KHz, LF Damping Freq 594.2 Hz, LF Damping Gain -10.92 dB. Sennheiser e604 mic.
I've been considering moving to a rack-mounted mixer in conjunction with a tablet, but I am hesitant over connectivity concerns. Have you ever had trouble using the tablet and staying connected when mixing a show? If there's a problem and you don't have a physical console available, you're kinda sorta screwed I would think.
We talked a lot about this more in our early videos as it took some time to stabilize our wi-fi. It's very reliable now, but we always have our laptop connected as a backup. In this video, we talk about the benefits of rack mixers and consoles: ruclips.net/video/ftzx_EsBLuQ/видео.html It really helped when we started analyzing wi-fi with the app Wi-Fi Explorer Lite...and of course a quality router. We haven't touched it now in a good year as it just works.
Great job....how do price your gigs?
A good chunk of our gigs are set by band budget/offers. In this case, we worked out a number we were both comfortable with as our initial quote was higher than they were wanting to pay. So typically, it will start with a quote based on the what they are looking for.
What is your load in time up and running lights, and sound. And also what is your load out time comparables ?
Most weddings like this - between load in and the time the system is fired up, is typically about 2 ish hours. (Unless we’re putting up a “full” show like this one : ruclips.net/video/ro9rZaSBdRI/видео.html ). We usually try and give ourselves at least three hours before sound check so we have a pad of time before the band arrives. (Nothing like setting up around each other!) For load out, average is typically hour/ hour and a half by the time we’re leaving. Remember that always depends on how close we can get to the stage, or if we have to fight for space/ elevators with other vendors!
@@thesoundcouple Thanks for fighting your way out I thought I was the only one throwing no punches of coarse Medicine Man Colorado
When it comes to effects, I think we have to not only look at the fact it's a live performance (so needs to sound good live, even if different from studio recordings), but also: does the band have recorded work where the listeners might desire to hear certain effects during the performance? What does the artist want it to sound like? With the caveat that you have to be able to keep the mix in the house and monitors free of feedback/undesirable noises.
However, I also feel like it would be difficult to make yourself part of the performance (as you would effectively do if manipulating effects in ways described above) if you are not doing regular shows and work with the band or artist in question.
So really it's probably a matter of what the artist wants and whether it can sound good in the venue you are at.
Agree with you, but rarely are we provided any instruction what they want for FX in FOH. We do occasionally get asked about it for the monitors, which depending on the situation, it will be denied unless they are IEM's.
@@thesoundcouple Just wait till you have to mix a reggae band ;)
@@dreetjeh Every technical detail is planned out with a perfect input list and stage plot I assume, , correct?
sounds great..who are the bands?what american state are you??
The first band was New Sound Underground and the last was The Big Throwdown. We are located in Minnesota!
@@thesoundcouple where in mn?? Big rnb favs of mine, flyte time, Jimmy jam and Terry Lewis, prince, mint condition. 🙏 👍 🖤 👏
@@oldskoolfunkandsoul1 We are in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area....yep, those are all good ones!
Hit the fx when vocals go for the long “yeahs” and end of songs
I have done that with delays, but not with reverb....interesting.
How do you transport that generator, especially afterwards when it still has fuel in it?
The generator was provided to us...we don't own it.
The first band snare reverb was tasteful for that genre. Lots of space in your mix to put that in there. The tail lasted to the next beat. Good. Adding a little verb on that key, horn, and sax would have gave the impression that the instruments were in the same “space” as the snare. Toms generally will need about the same amount as the snare.
The second band: acoustic plays well with a nice reverb with about .9 sec decay.
Reverb gives depth when not overused.
The third band: come to the asphalt dance floor and dance your asphalt off. (Borrowed from a friend)
The vocalist is too dry. A nice room with about 1.2 sec decay would fit well here. Might be the recorder’s mic, but the vocal is not present like no air.
Sax is really screaming for a nice thick reverb, but not too much. You’ll know when it’s too much.
Back of stage lots of low end off the back of the subs. That energy is not going into the audience. Just sayin’.
You asked, so I’m just giving an opinion about the reverb question.
I’ve got too much in sound equipment so I don’t mess with lights. Too much time dealing with their quirks.
My 6x12 trailer is full from front to back to ever think a simple van could ever hold it all. Good on you for making that work.
What size is your Benny and how many subs do you or can you power off of it?
Dust from the street.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The generator was provided...I honestly can't recall how large it was, but I trusted the source we got it from and he knew exactly what we were using it for and assured us it would be adequate. We love our Chevy van!
Alternatively, use a short delay. Sometimes works better than a mild "Room" reverb.
We tend to use a shorter delay for vocals and applying a reverb can wash that out if you are not careful...so yes, the two can come across with similar characteristics.
Re: verb and delay, it really depends on the genre. I do a lot of '80s style hard rock, where people want those big gated verbs on the snare, and delay on the vocals. Newer, more modern rock gets less.
Yes, it's disappointing that PreSonus has yet to offer a gated reverb on the Series 3....otherwise, I would be right there with you.
@@thesoundcouple I run a Soundcraft digital console on my own rig, and I still, sometimes carry my old Rev 7 or SPX90. On my club system, it's either a Behringer Wing or a Digico S21. Those have some pretty tasty verbs, plus the Digico has the Waves card installed, so we can run Soundgrid with any Waves Plugin that we have.
nice
thanks!
The small generator was enough for the whole stage ?
The generator was supplemental. At this point, you see us running the extension cords into the building: ruclips.net/video/ZfEO_H72zT8/видео.html
the first band is amazing, please let me know the name of the band?
New Sound Underground
Hi Gorgeous Couple, I just have heard from Presonus that the CDL series has been discontinued. I'm stuck with 2 x cdl12 and 1 x cdl18s, I've waited 4 months for that order and now I'm devastated.
Would you recommend me to return the set for something else or are they really worth it?
Love you guys,
Reeve
Hi Reeve - There are a lot of factors to consider in that decision. So the "P" series are still out there. I am not sure if those two can connect, but that may be an option. Otherwise, you can look at other outlets...we picked up a demo pair off of e-bay a few months ago that were like new. If you are in a position to look for them, they are out there. Otherwise, you may consider something else if you need to make a move sooner than later.
One more quick note - I would say their availability is still up in the air. Not sure where you got your info, but Sweetwater status says "available soon", which has changed from unavailable. I have heard it's possible that they may be bringing them back into production, but don't quote me on that.
Sweetwater has CDL's in stock!
@@thesoundcouple Hi Folks, haha I forgot to mention that I'm from London UK and we certainly don't have access nor any availability of any Presonus PA, I follow you two gorgeous people, wishing you happiness and success x
Ahhh, sorry to hear that and hopefully that will change. I have ordered smaller items from Europe but I suppose with speakers, shipping could get expensive.@@Malkauk
Just an fyi, open stage cavities are horrible for sub low information. Because LF is omnidirectional, the energy off the rear of the sub cabinet goes underneath the stage and creates a horn type device and resonance between the stage and ground. As that energy pushes out all sides of the stage including the front it’s typically out of phase and creates a massive amount of cancellation. You will very easily loose tons of headroom and will wonder why the system is working so hard with lesser output. You should keep at least 10-12 inches between the sun rear and the stage opening to avoid some of this phenomenon.
Thank you for sharing your insights...
Whilst yes, this is sort of true, I don't see it being a big factor here. Its pretty much open under the stage, no back wall so it won't bounce back much.
Imo its more the center sub itself messing things up. Different model (probably dsp aswell) so different tuning and different phase response, it isnt lined up with the other subs, and isnt within coupling range. Also having a different amplifier and dsp. It may add some time delay aswell (slower processor). I think that sub was doing more harm then good, it can be done like that, but I would recommend buying some measument gear to time allign them, as at this point its a mystery. This can be pretty cheap, like a bebringer ecm8000 with some 2ch interface and opensoundmeter. Fun to mess around with, and really helps setting up sound systems like this with missmatched subs, front fills etc etc
@@Jan-hm2ry I agree with part of your assessment. While it's not ideal to mix match products, It would still be coupling at any frequencies in which it is at least a 1/4 wavelength distance within. It just won't do it as well as two matched products.
As strange as it seems, the hollow stage cavity is more destructive than a solid concrete stage front in terms of the wavefront. A solid concrete front would still redirect the LF of the rear of the box and shoot it forward. While it technically isn't totally in time with the front radiating energy, those few ms of timing offset is still mostly in time and still within a 1/4 wavelength of the lower frequencies. We've done many shows where even a few inches away from the stage opening made all the difference whereas the few inchces difference caused us to have to push the rig significantly harder will far superior output. The space between the stage deck and the floor becomes a big horn device basically.
@@jessecoonen7881Hey, sorry I missed the reply.
Interesting, we've never experienced this as a problem, we actually position subs centered in front of the stage 9/10 times, in a cardioid setup. While that obviously cancels the sound to the rear, we never had cancellation problems from open stages, even when not using cardioid. The sound waves just escape at the back of the stage. Though, with open stages that have a backwall, we did have cancelation issue's, sound waves going under the stage, and bouncing back, having enough time delay to be out of phase. In that case we just moved all the subs to the left. (not enough room for cardioid or such, and this way you have the least amount of cancelation issue, compared to a traditional L-R setup).
Regarding to the 1/4 wavelength, that was what I was referring to aswell. The centersub isnt in range of the other subs to have any coupling really, maybe up to 50hz if you're lucky.
Also sorry about my language, im from the Netherlands :).
imgur.com/a/m9soMjS All the setups we've ever used with 4 subs iirc, you do also see here why the standard L-R setup isnt that great really, also the reason we don't use it much (all predictions at 80hz. Also, take it with a grain of salt, as these are l'acoustics products, but predictionwise it shouldnt be much off with any other subs
What's the name of the first band, they played some nice stuff
New Sound Underground
Surprised they didn’t give you an inverter generator. Those generally aren’t very clean power and the inverters are MUCH quieter.
It was provided by another local sound company that we trust. He did let us know that the starter could be a bit sticky, and besides being a little loud, it got the job done!
Would you tell me what kind mixer you guys use?
Thanks
We have a lot of our gear listed in our "About" but we mostly use PreSonus for our mixer.
Could you share the setting for your reverb and delay
Sure! Finally got the board fired up. FXA Digital XL Reverb (drums). Predelay 0.00ms, Reflection .61, Size 23.83, LPF 5.76kHz, LF Damping Freq 594.2 Hz, LF Damping Gain -10.92dB. FXB PAE-16 Digital Verb (Vocals) 0.00 ms Predelay, Diffusion .31, LF Damp Freq 230.0Hz, Reflection .90, LPF Freq 4.70 kHz, LF Damp Gain -2.70 dB. FXC Stereo Delay (Vocals) Delay A 180ms, Delay B 155ms, Stereo Spread 50%, Feedback A 5%, Feedback B 8%, LPF 15.58kHz, HPF 100Hz, Feed A LPF 15.90 KHz, Feed. HPF 100Hz, Feedb B LPF 16.06 KHz, Feed. B HPF 100.00 Hz, FXD same as FXC (Vocal Tap Delay) except Feedback A/B 22% and delay time set to tap tempo and stereo spread 82% (may be too much for some applications).
@@thesoundcouple thanks
You're welcome.
Work with your predelay on your reverb, that will help you out with not feeling that you are using to much, also make sure the reverb is in time with the song tempo.
Thank you!
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Hey do you put a gate on your horns
That is a great question as the answer would have been "yes" for years. But more recently, the answer is "no"....and the reason why is because I don't know why it's necessary (I would be open to any explanations as to why for live sound). With them engage, it has messed with some player using IEM's so I have been moving towards not using them as much.
Hai sir, what is the apps did you use in mixing? In your tablet
This is UC Surface from Presonus.
@@thesoundcouple do you have a toturial how to connect that one in the mixer?
@@zercktv9335 We don't, but there are numerous videos on RUclips that cover this topic.
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What wireless DMX transceivers do you use
We use Donner wireless DMX connected with an Enttec ODE.
How much do the donner DMX transcevers cost to buy
@@kevinbradt835 You can shop for them on Amazon...Ebay also has a similar offering.
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