Amen to that. Guidry is one step above Oz sorry but he is. But people are gullible believing anything. This guy is making huge dollars off this. The sad thing is this man is convinced he’s right but there are studies proving him wrong. Vitamin C is water soluble it’s excreted when we have too much take enough all you’ll get is diarrhea. Gun dry cherry picks. They’re not predisposed genetically to develop those diseases. Half science isn’t science
I like to believe this is what happens when highly intelligent and mature professions hold a discussion. No one takes things personally. They just discuss. Challenging ideas is so important. The problem is, so many people, at least now, take being challenged as attacked.
Except at the end. He started getting a bit snarky there. I do not blame him though, it is actually quite impressive how long it took him to get there. I would've lost it in the first 30 min probably
He’s not wrong in a lot of his points. It’s just that the risk of confusion among the general public on what to eat greatly outweighs the advice he’s trying to give. In a lot of cases, both sides in various parts of the video (not all) present viable solutions for you and when contextualized can be a benefit to you!
@@rappercentral703 The points he's not wrong about are still so blown out of proportion or so nichely applicable, according to the data cited by the other two competent doctors who aren't out to make money off their fad diet books, as to be practically useless.
@@rappercentral703 Saying he's not wrong is a lot of his points is similar to me saying "You can not die of heart disease if you shoot yourself in the head". This statement is very true, but the implication that I am trying to make is not correct.
@@wittyoak9027Yeah, I'm a statistician (sort of, I'm doing my masters in it) and I think if I wrote half of the type of thing he said in a paper I'd get failed on it for misrepresenting the facts
That part definitely has me pretty confused! I wish he would have told us how the effects of nicotine and b3 are related. I dont understand how he got from nicotine pouches to nicotinic acid. And then we never got an answer😢
That’s because he gets rich off of convincing people who follow him and pay for his knowledge . No different that preachers on the left or right of politics.. they preach to the ears that pay them .
I'm only 2 minutes in, but the fact that Mike recognized his own limitations in the field/specialty and brought on an expert to join the conversation speaks volumes about his priorities. It's not ego. It's factual information.
Seriously impressed by the difficulty of this conversation but that everyone is able to remain civil and to the point. This is how discussions are supposed to work! Well done everyone
@@Mr25thfret It already happened lol. Imagine people just turning their cell phones off and doing something productive or fun lol. Yup. I think I will. And Ill enjoy what I do , whatever that may be because I feel so much better after following Dr. Grundys previous recommendations. Bye now.😄
@@armisteadkira32 it really is a matter of persuasion and getting the right facts out at the right time to disprove the logic of the opposing side That being said, comparing grapes to chocolate is one of the least persuasive statements in this video. My dude Grundy is using logical fallacies as his defense so it really tells me who the winner is
@@drsexy2491 where is she saying such a thing? She only states, from published research, that the presence of glyphosate or lack of it doesn't change the outcome of certain diseases, whereas Dr. Gundry states from anecdotal evidence that smoking is safe as long as you increase your vitamin C intake. Do you see the difference?
This is a good debate. Everyone strongly disagreed, even thinking the other’s opinion is dangerous. But still they kept their calm throughout the whole thing, never did anyone raise their voice, never did anyone insult anyone else. Very impressive, a very good example of a proper debate.
he lady keeps citing the recommendations of the professional association experts. Aren't these the same experts who had us wearing masks and locking down our kids and taking experimental jabs? The younger doctor thinks his patients are idiots who can't be told the truth.
as someone who is struggling with an autoimmune condition, it is so incredibly exhausting hearing different doctors recommending different diets and claiming that it gets rid of the inflammation. at this point, i don´t even know what to eat, because everyone says something different!
Maybe look into Dr Mindy Pelz and Dr Jason Fung. Their ideas on nutrition and fasting seem to work for many and the information is backed by numerous studies. Hope you find what works for you! Take care!
@@Miner_20yeah that would be much more fitting since politicians don't get checked in real time by people unless there other politicians who are also probably lying lol Lawyers can't take a breath without being under somebody's microscope
Eh sometimes it's good to hear and see something so stupid because it can make you feel better about yourself even if you're not the sharpest tool in the shed lol
What a master class for progressing the discussion to allow the nuance to bubble up. Resisting knee-jerk responses must've been very difficult and I applaud you for prioritizing the difficult path towards truth and understanding.
He is using a lot of techniques we use in counseling (I am a therapist). He is an absolute master at keeping his composure, all while letting things come out that he can challenge. This is how we counsel people, too; you have to build rapport, but also lightly (but professionally) challenge someone to get them talking more about what you're trying to find out.
@@cornelius_lcx Dr. gundry also not listening as he clearly states in season yet Dr.balardo point with actual facts fruits are beneficial year round not just in season , I would still rather eat fruits all year included in my diet over eating ice cream and junk processed refined sugars , Dr.gundry’s excuses for “in season” is cus he is trying to equal fruit to a candy bar which literally not the same even when not in season
“There’s a really good correlation between ice cream sales and shark attacks as well” - Dr. Mike, summed up this discussion perfectly 😂 CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
If anyone would like to see more random correlations, there is a paper out there listing random correlations (like cheese consumption and dicovorce rates). They show graphs that seem to have the same shape, but are completely disconnected from one another.
If he doesn't know anyone who overeats fruit, he's crazy or lying. I am overweight and I love fruit. I causes a huge blood sugar spike and wrecks everything I'm trying to do. Fruit is sugar.
All evidence is anecdotal. You're relying on people who conduct studies to document their findings, and trusting they are adjusting appropriate variables without a vested interest. I'm not defending Gundry, but this entire dismissal of anecdotal (the first and most basic form of science) is nearly as ignorant as the people who ignore studies.
The whole podcast in a nutshell Dr Gundry: Fruits are bad Dr Mike: but they contain so many nutrients Dr Gundry: yes that’s why they are healthy Dr mike: but you said they are horrible Dr Gundry: yes, I treat people in my clinic
Dosent he mean that those are nightshades? Wich are extremly inflammatory. I get brainfog n fatigue by eating it for just a few days. Obviously arent Mike educates enough w just being 30 years old or whatever he is
Dr. Gundry makes me wish cancel culture was real. This man is an idiot. "Don't worry you won't die of heart disease, lung cancer on the other hand..." 👀🤣
Dr Belardo is the MVP in this podcast 😂 She keeps trying to pull him back to answer the question they are asking and he keeps ignoring her completely. Props to Dr. Mike - this is amazing.
Same…. I am 20 minutes in and I feel like he has gone in a million circles. I am going to have to speed this conversation up to try to get through this. He really REALLY needs to be a politician. 13:28 this is all I have made it to so far with my ADHD.
This is very complicated, and its really fun to listen to experts talk about it and try to understand how to apply it to help people. I also love how this woman is killing it! She is so smart!
I'm absolutely sure listening to Dr. Gundry talk has given me more inflammation, disrupted my gut microbiome more, and caused me more leaky gut problems than anything I've eaten before or after listening to this podcast
Official medicine will never personally provide you with correct information, after the economy of your country keeps on changing that A1 milk is useful, that modern bread is useful, that nightshades are useful. You believe in medicine because it hasn't made all the money from you yet.
Doctor you did amazing in this conversation, not being too aggressive but also calling the doctor out when he gave specific examples. This is a perfect way to talk to people who you dont agree with.
Honestly, despite Dr. Grundy's unwillingness to back down from some of his unsubstantiated stances, his ability to take criticism without becoming "overly" defensive or rude is admirable. This is exactly how to have a civilized argument about something. The hope is to learn from each other and hopefully move closer to the reality on the topic one way or the other and respect the others position to some degree. They were all able to agree on the most important aspects which is focusing on a plant-based diet without highly processed foods, but disagreed on the quality and usefulness of mechanisms and anecdotal evidence in providing recommendations to the public. I wish Dr. Grundy was more willing to acknowledge how his claims can be confusing and misleading to the public especially when he respects the science and the nuance of the claims he's making, but it was a good source of discussion for how scientific recommendations should be made and acknowledges how anecdotal evidence still has some meaning since it can lead to more evidence based trials and studies that can let us learn more which then can lead to additional recommendations.
It is also a typical example of how academic discussions and disagreements proceed. Name-calling and aggression is not part of the practice of academic discussion. We praise this as if this is an accomplishment, but this is the only kind exchange that warrants the title of discussion. Any other form is juvenile.
. Excellent! Your summation should be most prominently placed under this video. Until I watched this, my exposure to Dr. Gundry's youtube videos led me to believe he was a greed-driven egotist. His attention-getting come-ons leave me with the exact impressions that concern Dr. Mike. The hubris of "I can end all disease" is outrageous. I would guess that improved gut health will yield significant reductions in many syndromes and diseases. Science has so much research ahead in this area.
@@judithnelson1581 Mark Hyman was saying that 80% of his patients are sick cuz of their diet. This is complex problem in general, there is no `eat this, not that ` solution
Fruitarians. Vegans with binge eating disorder. People who love to feel physically full yet not satisfied at all and sh!t themselves to death after constant bloating. Today's fruit is not natural and is way more sweet thanks to men manipulating it. Its not good for you regardless of who pushes what.
@@snap.-_- People are addicted to sugar It's in practically everything we eat Only problem is it's near impossible to grow your own vegetables and raise your own livestock
I’m a smoker myself but I’m well aware of the adverse health effects of such, hearing Dr. Gundry try to argue it’s a beneficial habit is just plain upsetting. I know the risk I put myself under by smoking and whilst I don’t plan on stopping I would never, unlike Dr. Gundry, promote it especially with a platform as large as his is.
I didn't hear him promote smoking, he seemed to be saying the opposite, that we obviously shouldn't be smoking. He was simply saying the he was interested in why a lot of smokers lived long lives and had some good health markers, so he wanted to find out what it is about cigarettes or smoking that could be causing these benefits.
I'm concerned for your comprehension if that was your take away. He clearly was talking about nicotine not smoking. I don't agree with Dr.Gundry on anything here but yeah it'd important to be honest.
Grundy is a non-smoker, who was educated to believe that smoking is an unmitigated evil and he saw that there are long-lived populations that are heavy smokers. How do you accuse him of being the one who "hears what he wants to hear"? That was exactly what he didn't want to hear. Apparently, you are discarding what you don't want to hear.
But Gundry is right and the other two are wrong. Watch the video. Gundry is helping and curing his patients and Dr Mike is complaining that he can’t get them to stop eating candy bars Fr.
I am only 15 minutes in but am impressed that both panelist have allowed the other to speak through an entire point and counter point without interruption. Looking forward to see how it progresses.
@@dererik9070its not anecdotal its just cherrypicked sentences in studies that aren’t necessarily coming to the same conclusion that dr gundry has concluded…
@@drbrandonsantan yes they have. Dr Gundry was literally trying to shut up Dr. Belardo when she was explaining why his favorite study was being misrepresented by him. He kept saying “uhp. Uhp. Uhp. Uhp.” while she was explaining. Dr Gundry wasn’t some sort of victim in this. He just couldn’t defend his ideas as effectively as you would’ve wanted.
As someone with a couple of autoimmune diseases, I am *so* glad Dr. Mike called him out for being a cardio doctor telling people to ignore RHEUMATOLOGISTS.
The issue is you can get one good rheumatologist and 25 "bad" ones, which Dr Mike makes clear that the health system doesn't give doctors enough time to go through with every patient exactly what to do how to overcome their illness. Gundry "provides a solution" and like the individual is being listen to. That is main problem, doctors might have the answer (which might be correct) but they don't communicate it well enough for the individual to achieve success or patient misunderstands what is and isnt required of them. Gundry says some stuff that is off the cuff soundbites that are incredibly misleading but if you listen more closely and get to the crux of what he is saying, it is to eat a balanced Mediterranean diet (which is the same as what most cardiac doctors say as well).
As a nurse who worked in CVICU, and now works in a data role, helping our hospital to maintain compliance with our cardiac registries, I really appreciate what you have done. As a nurse, by default, I am not the top authority or expert. If I were to debate someone like Dr. Gundry, on something as basic as the fact that cigarettes are bad, it would be instantly dismissed. Thank you to you and Dr. Bellardo for being the grown-ups in the room!
If you read Dr Gundry, he says there are ingredients in tobacco that are beneficial and others that are harmful. Just like the fructose in fruit is generally harmful, but other components are beneficial.
CEO's are required by law to make profits for their company because they have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. I'd say the issue reaches further than just health care.
@@snowys7667 I'll agree Gundry doesn't answer the questions everytime, but most of the time he was rationnal, not emotionnal. Yes he has anecdotes and that is not a meta analysis, but it 's still to answer the questions. I think he would want more research done to confirm his anecdotes. It's not because something sounds crazy that it's false
I haven't heard of Dr. Danielle Belardo before, but wholly WOW!! She is SO well spoken, so intelligent, so just pheromonal! Thank you for bringing her on! She's just AMAZING! Love her!
Dr Belardo is on top of her game! I love how she can go head to head with Dr Gundry without backing down because she can site the rationale behind everything that she says.
I disagree she is telling you that you have to wait 15 years to try anything that is not validated in peer reviewed studies. In the meantime keep doing what they tell you and when they eventually admit they were wrong about something too bad that you took that advice.
@@CaribbeanCasanovaSemi public because to see this you have to search or already follow Dr. Mike. I think these kind of segments should be on TV; but the news and talk shows focus on sensationalism. They talk about things for overly extended periods of time; many things that don’t matter to the average Joe.
I think there’s a volatility to this kind of format. People who aren’t able to make educated decisions picking sides and cherry picking advice because well “they’re all doctors” I’d rather they figure this out to the best of their ability and report a conclusion rather than anyone get hurt or spread misinformation 3rd hand to their friends and family. It’s definitely cool to listen in, but maybe not good for us layman on the topic. Muddy waters you know?
Thank you Dr Mike and Dr Belardo! Wow!! This has opened my eyes with Dr Gundry I’m stunned! He sounds like he’s lost his marbles. So glad I found this interview.! Glad to see both doctors have decent morals to still help people.
I just want to say I truly appericiate Dr. Belardo's scientific comebacks and how she executed her argumentation with providing explanations on things people like me would not understand if not explained because we are not studying or educated in this field.
I haven't seen her before but my first thought when I heard her talk was "WOW dude you're really good at talking" I feel like I could listen to her for hours, she's so articulate
The difference between a grifter and the physician. She wants you to understand so you can make informed decisions while he wants to confuse you with words so he appear smart and sell you his products
or when Dr. gundry said "humans can't produce vitamin C on their own" only to seconds later say "HOWEVER olive oil doubles our vitamin C production" ???? :""DD
@@williamrobertson892 He never said smoking is good though. Why is everyone lying on the comment section together with Mike? He said nicotine was good, not smoking.
@@Hohohohoho-vo1pqright but at the same time it’s already difficult to see Dr. Gundry’s actually stance on every argument because of the statements he makes. If you’re going to be as bold as to say “nicotine is good for you” when the topic includes cigarettes, it’s wildly negligent to just say “well I didn’t say smoke cigarettes.” There is legitimately no other reason to say “oh well nicotine is good for you” in a discussion revolving around cigarette other than maybe playing devils advocate OR justifying the use of cigarettes and this guy never seemed like he was playing devils advocate because then he would stand by all of his statements because Dr. Gundry couldn’t take a single L. Even Dr. Mike near the end was professional enough to be like “I don’t know I’m smart enough to know when I don’t know something” and while I do think that was also an intentional jab at Dr. Gundry it’s still true
@@Gingersnaperz Dr. Grundy is very bad at communicating but also he tries to sound controversial. It's well known that nicotine has some health benefits. Almost all studies claiming nicotine is bad is done on smokers. But you can take nicotine without smoking. Some studies that just compared plain nicotine vs no nicotine intake found some benefits. Dr. Grundy can't even explain that properly. He is just trying to sound extra controversial for attention maybe. He doesn't communicate what he believes clearly.
This interview is so masterfully done. He’s answered nothing and your patience in this is incredible. He is so smug and self righteous- it’s exuding from the screen. Good for you guys for conducting such a respectful conversation
Dude he constantly gave him correct answers but the lady wanted to spelled statistical nonsense to try to throw him under the rug and not listen to him😂
@lydiaduh1098 using God's name in vain won't help you any, it's still unhealthy to eat things such as vegetables only which give you very very finite nutrients and many problems
This is a great example of how correlation does not mean causation. I'm an epidemiologist and I want to draw out a DAG for Dr. Gundry so bad. Dr. Mike, thank you so much for having a respectful debate with Dr. Gundry; you are amazing!
Same brother, took me a little to understand what the hell they were talking about and what stuff was but was extremely interesting once i started to understand.
@@endlessentertainmentgamingI get you. It’s why it is so dangerous for a smooth talker like Gundry to talk about his rubbish to non doctors who don’t have enough knowledge to question what he’s saying.
I also think it’s interesting to bring up populations who don’t regularly screen for certain diseases, and then say “the diseases don’t exist in those populations.”
@@HSMfanatic17 the absence of evidence apparently means that there is evidence of absence to this guy. and we cant forget that correlation means causation, which he seems to base his beliefs on.
You look like the type of guy who isn't fooled by deogharzhava and its recognized science, which is based on business - agriculture, medicine, pharmacies. And you actively support this business.
Not really. He is a very well educated person in his field. I don’t know what he said that is outrageous at all. When he talked about smoking he clearly stated that it wasn’t the act of smoking but the nicotine that aided in longevity which I’m pretty sure nicotine is known to not be harmful and has its benefits. He talked about microbes in the gut and when he did they didn’t say he wasnt wrong they said they just can’t prove that yet… they brought up when they used to use beta blockers for patients having a bypass and how they would never do it now. We get things wrong sometimes in the pursuit of the truth. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t always search for the truth. And when there was a Dr saying you should never give beta blockers to someone after a bypass, they would say that Dr doesn’t know what they are talking about and is stupid. I’m not saying this guy knows everything. But doctors who question the norm have been the ones who have given us breakthroughs in medicine. We need people to question the norm and try other options if we ever want to learn more. Again, I’m not saying he is right but this is how we advance at all as a society so for that. I love the conversation.
Moving towards more conversations like this being available has to be part of the recovery and reconstitution of the public trust in institutions. A big think you for organizing and to all the participants.
Just don’t forget her first response was we recommend people take Statin drugs - smh. When a doctors recommendation based on tests says you should take the FDA approved drug as the only option to lower vascular disease events. It’s a pretty sad and scary direction to lead people. Obviously all the doctors are still testing on all sides it’s all practicing medicine. But why lean to a drug as the only option?
I'll take anecdotal evidence over those rigorous tests that try to get medications FDA approved. I think they both have merits. But Mike disagrees and isn't hearing what I hear. I don't eat beans at all and I smoke, yet I'm far healthier than my sister who doesn't smoke and eats "healthy". She has heart issues. I do not. Heart disease has hit every generation in my family. Somehow I am the only one without heart issues. Sometimes natural and anecdote is better information in my opinion. Just do your own research and listen to your own body. Not every person is going to feel the same, just do what's right for you.
Because the people who would make lifestyle changes wouldn’t have let things get that far. Most the people that take chronic disease medication stay on it the rest of their life in part because of lack of change.
I’m sorry can we please get some more commotion for Dr. Belardo ?!?! This is literally her bread and butter, she 1000% knew what she was talking about and she took the discussion seriously despite Dr. Gundry shutting her and Dr. Mike down multiple times
@SeniorSunday While true, to a point, it was also Cleary those two versus him. The host Regularly interrupted him and added sarcastic question quips, while she Regularly interrupted him and smiled/smirked at him, in a passive aggressive manner, as if to show disagreement and arrogance in her belief she was right. If I were him, I might've acted similarly, over time. And she's a Vegan. Have a nice day.
@@jeffward24 I applaud their self restraint because he was disrespectful and full of logical fallacies the entire time. They cut in to redirect his straw man arguments and to get him to actually answer the questions they were asking. He just ignored their logic and counter evidence to move the goal post every time he was called on his sh*t. He was full of unsubstantiated claims and kept cutting in with irrelevant and cherry picked data points that only made sense in a vacuum. What he is saying is dangerous, and anyone who has taken debate or studied classical logic will understand how and why his line of argumentation is baseless. I cannot overstate how disingenuous he is being here.
Remember when double blind placebo studies said vioxx was safe? Oops 😂 You're one of those ppl that thought ivermectin was "debunked" because of double blind studies showing no efficacy in ivermectin treatments...completely outside the scope of what any doctor administering them claimed had efficacy 😂
This was hard to watch...but a must watch tbh. The public does need to to be privy to these conversations among professionals. We may not understand all of the nuances, technical terms, studies, etc, but we do see where each doctor stands when it comes to patient care. Thank you Dr Mike for showing us this layered moment. It is humbling how much you care about our health ❤
You are exactly right. It's only good for some of us, though, because bad ideas can reinforce stubborn people. That being said, we probably need yo find ways to give people a broader perspective and more understanding of what is going here, while using layman's terms. How is the average person going to know for certain that this is an "anecdote" or pre selected bias?
He doesn't care enough to listen carefully and ask for further elucidation in areas he doesn't know about. Mike knows enough to be a narcissist who is useless to half his patients. He could start by looking up Zonulin, molecular mimicry, HLA-DQ2 and/or DQ8 autoimmune thyroid, insulin resistance, mitochondrial health
I'm mystified how lab tests can detect harmful markers when there's no placebo group from which to draw this ideal blood sample. Every marker is subject to interpretation by whoever is looking at it, there is no real understanding of how ALL the factors add up in function.
I have never seen a man with such supreme confidence in every thought in his head and every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of what anyone else says.
What’s so scary about all this is idk 90% of what they’re talking about, yet this Gundry talks with such confidence that if he was your provider you’d listen to him. That’s dangerous. Thank God for Danielle being there to counter
I agree, and I think this is a good argument for understanding logic/rhetorical tools, because it helps you see the shape of the conversation and how it does (or does NOT) actually address the points being made. For example, constant shifting of the conversational focus, contradicting yourself, distractions, talking in circles, are all things Dr. Gundry is doing to avoid a direct back-and-forth about the solidity of his own arguments. That's definitely not something you can really do in the clinic though, so I'm with you there... Hope to god your doctor doesn't feel like going on a cash grab book-writing tour.
@@AngryEpileptic He wasn't pro-smoking. Stop being dumb. He was talking about the nicotine component. He is far more intelligent than either of the two other people.
@@josha1536standards can be adjusted as we gather more and more reliable information and data over time. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discern which information is credible to build the scientific consensus on and move forward with further research. If someone is making claims that refute years of scientific research chances are they have ulterior motives. Like selling supplements to protect you from the thing he says is bad now.
Can Dr Mike moderate political debates? He did a wonderful job keeping everything professional while allowing both guests to get their points across and calling out any misinformation
the other thing is the people who are involved in the debate are doctors.. and if you see a scientific debate.. they are very professional but the participants of a political debate are uneducated, unprofessional people.. frankly the whole democratic structure of governance is a failure as Socrates pointed it out..
@@cornelius_lcxYou misunderstood Dr. Mike's argument. If the best thing you can do in helping a patient adjust their diet is to restrict fruit consumption by season, you probably don't need to be adjusting their diet.
It's heart-warming to see a professional sitting down and respectfully explaining from a scientific point what are the problems with promoting such unreliable things. Thank you Doctor Mike for this video, the internet truly needs it!
Thank-you so very much for doing this interview and citing relevant peer reviewed studies. I visited a wellness center yesterday and was given an anti-inflammatory list of foods by Dr. Gundry. The non-medical practitioner told me that organic squash, green beans, and Einkorn wheat causes inflammation. On the nut list there was every kind of nut except almonds. On the flour list, the first flour was almond flour. 🤦♀. I told them I eat Icelandic skyr (yogurt which is low in sugar and high in protein). They told me to stop eating it and eat goat yogurt. I looked on the dairy list and it had butter, organic kefir, organic yogurt, organic cheese, plus goat cheese, etc... Dr. Gundry's published list of an anti-inflammatory diet is as inconsistent as his arguments in this debate. I'm so grateful for critical thinking and the experts on this panel poking holes in the irresponsible advice Dr. Gundry promotes.
As a nurse who's seen many people die from the effects of being smokers (and some were healthy besides that), this was incredibly eye twitching right off the bat. Kudos for this convo because wow
He wasn’t saying smoking is healthy. He was noting that there is little by way of studies as to what makes populations with longevity live despite being smokers.
I feel like unless you’ve studied these things massively or put thousands of hours into your own experiments it’s hard to really say who’s right and wrong depending on the exact point they are trying to make with the study
"Most sientists are bottle washers and button sorters." (R. A Heinlein through his fictitious character Lazarus Long). Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition research, with the backing of clinical success with thousands of patients. I doubt Mike can brag as much. Although he does brag about having millions of non-clinical laypersons following his communications expertise. Like a sophist (Mike) facing a Socrates (Gundry)
@@yvesjeaurond4937 you're on the side of the "underdog" regardless of his argument or actual work... He'll be another voice forgotten about another dietary fad... He's a surgeon, not a physician and neither a dietician... He doesn't know anything more than either does...
Dr Gundry is very good at theory, the chick is basically just reiterating convention. But convention is poorly wrong these days, so why do people agree with the chick? Gundry sees the flaws in current convention, and using good logic and theory and an open mind finds a better solution to an existing problem. Listen to the speakers against Gundry. Gundry’s logic is not wrong, they can’t attack it, they only attack it because his methods go against conventional studies.
Mike, doc, bro, this discussion had me at the eye of my seat. I’ve been following you for years and I share each video that will help my wife (who will pick up on people like him) understand why I advocate your words. Please never sell out or change. You are one of the most genuine helpful channels for people like us who live among doctors with knowledge from 30 years ago.
Mike: "I think therefore I am" Gundry: "Noo, I think therefore I'm not" Mike: "How did you conclude that?" Gundry: "If i am thinking, i am, so therefore i'm not" 😂
Bruh this guy. That “it’s called authority bias” was amazing. It was great how he kept answering a different question than one which was asked and clearly wasn’t actually listening to to them. Whenever Dr. Mike and Belardo were talking he would always say “correct” or “hmmyesss” as if he were the absolute authority on everything. Well done, it was nice how civil things were kept, very interesting and informative as always. Best of luck to the three Doctors and their patients!
Do you know Dr. Gundry's history? He has every right to be the "authority" in the room. He's old school doc. Sort of like the one in Doc Hollywood, that stopped the young doctor from cracking open a 7 year old girl's chest, when a coca-cola solved the problem. But, alas, there's no "clinical trials" showing coca-cola stops indigestion. LOL
it makes sense how when we can't count or measure the things that rely on other people to relay, it gets bent in the way that benefits the person the most. Kind of a crazy coincidence. Coming at this with that mechanistic way of thinking is funny, but it's like telling someone something is a certain length. Then asking them to make the ruler 😂 the world's going to be a different place when we end up accountable for everything and looking the part or saying things the right "mmmyeah" isn't going to have more pull then (the closest thing we have to quantifiable measurement) research. It's so easy to back anything you say with this study (that not alot of people will or *believe they are competent enough to look at). And in the end the over confidence from a few people that lean into their jobs seeming more complex to maximize the recognition they get... Hurts the progress of medicine. But at least a few people feel recognized and get extra income 😂 It's like getting mad at a golden retriever for eating a sandwich you left on the coffee table. You know if you left it on the table, and there was nothing up to stop it from happening... It was going to happen. Can you really blame the dog 🫠
This is the content I need. I don't trust that my GP is on top of new info and social media 'doctors' are so conflicting but all yell authoritatively into echo chambers. I need to see experts in conversation to work out the non-negotiables and hear them argue their cases on areas of disagreement.
Unfortunately, Dr Gundry doesn’t need to be right. All he needs to do is get away with making people think he MIGHT be onto something. That’s it. Once he’s done that, he can sell you all the supplements that appear directly after EVERY SINGLE pitch he gives. Money. That’s what Dr. Gundry is all about.
@@MUIDYLANICE He jumps to conclusions, not a slow movement toward but jumps. That's impatience, ego. If I were a doctor I would be just like that. I drive my wife crazy.
Dr. Mike, this is absolutely exquisite content. Although the long form may not be as click-baity as some other, shorter videos, this is exactly how to settle disputes with others regarding competing scientific evidence and theories. I can tell that Dr. Gundry truly believes his position and wants to help his patients as well as those who listen to him, but it's discussions like these that are effective in highlighting the flaws in one's arguments. Having an open discussion, void of any open disdain or blatently hostile argument is refreshing and honestly much more entertaining. I hope this discussion has had something of an impact on him, and that it wasn't just perceived as a character assassination, as it certainly wasn't. The exposure of mechanistic bias is ever so important yet underappreciated in the public, but this is exactly the content that brings it to light. Please do not be disillusioned by the view counts. This is the content that really makes a difference and stays in people's minds. I would love to see more. I'm sure many others would agree.
@@Notme-tq4xs It is important to listen to viewpoints that you strongly disagree with, so that you can understand and then counter them. Dr. Gundry's ideas should be considered and analyzed critically, as with any viewpoint. In this case, it was discovered, through critical analysis, that his viewpoints were flawed in that they relied on mechanistic bias, as well as faulty isolation of variables assumed to contribute to causality in correlations with no real evidence to support it, with regards to his conclusions about the results of various statistics in "blue zones", as well as medical studies on diet.
@@average_mouse honestly a perfect example of saying a lot without substance and pointing a debate/conversation to where his biases and intended point are.
I’ll give you an example… this guy at Harvard said something very interesting… but here’s another example unrelated to the other example I never finished… and did you know that apes don’t smoke cigarettes yet they get their nicotine from bananas which is great becaaaaaauuuusse the bananas inherent magical components that counteract AIDS… which is what? An autoooooimuuune disease (smug smirk knowing how many morons will buy my book)
@@SeanThomasCross thanks for the reminder, but I’d say one of the people in this debate has less merit behind their confidence than the others. The suggestion “Might as well.” in response to a suggestion that mothers should equate chocolate to fruit spews confidence that is unearned and irresponsible.
As a physical scientist, I’ve come to recognize the crucial distinction between being a medical doctor and a scientist. While there are MDs who are also skilled scientists, it’s important to understand that an MD degree doesn’t inherently confer scientific expertise. This distinction has become more apparent in the post-COVID-19 era, where some MDs, especially those who have been engaged in desk medicine for an extended period, may lack the necessary scientific training. This sometimes leads to the conflation of correlation with causation, a fundamental misunderstanding in scientific inquiry. It’s essential to remember that correlation does not imply causation and that scientific exploration requires rigorous analysis to establish causal links. I applaud Dr. Mike for providing a space for conversation and debate as this is the correct approach at clarifying these misconceptions and misleading statements provided by confused health professionals.
Medicine is also an art, not just science. Human body is extremely complex and health boils down to a plethora of interconnected factors, many if which remain unknown. And yet the doctor must take action to treat a patient. The difference between medicine and science is that a scientist merely researches the unknown in order to make it known and understand it. And a doctor must actually take action to treat a patient, accepting the fact that there is something (or rather a lot) he doesn't know. Uncertainty is an integral part of doctor's craft that's why it's not only science but also art, and there's a demand for a great deal of intuition in medical profession. So, it's not confusing correlation and causation or lack of understanding on his part or anything like that. It's the extreme complexity and innate uncertainty of the medical field. Some doctors may portray themselves as an ultimate authority in their field by sticking to the prevailing to date research. However, that current research is not ultimate truth but just current state of things which may change when more data is available. So doctors who are sceptical to dogmatic thinking and are open minded may not look like ultimate authority but they are closer to the idea of doctor than those who are dogmatic. Think about lobotomy, which used to be scientifically proven as a valid method of treatment. Until it wasn't.
What we "know" often changes. I've read that the amount of medical knowledge is said to double every 73 days. Due to this, I think this is one area where AI shows great promise in helping us synthesize that information and to help make great strides in medicine and maybe make personalized medicine a reality.
While this is somewhat true, that MDs don't receive as much research experience as PhDs for example, I feel like it's a vast oversimplification that doesn't do anyone justice. Many MDs have graduate degrees and if they don't, they almost always have at least a bit of research experience in the undergraduate portion of their education. Considering how competitive modern medical schools are, it's almost impossible to get into a good medical school without research experience, whether taught in classes or in internships. Additionally, more and more MDs are entering the field of research as a second or secondary career. The vast majority of both PhDs and MDs are more than qualified to conduct and interrupt scientific research. It all depends on the type of research and whether the lead author is competent within their field, regardless of the letter beside their name. I just don't it's fair to say the MDs don't have scientific expertise.
The good, worthy of eating apples Dr. Gundry is talking about are called antique apples. Old, usually smaller, often not so attractively colored varieties with lineages that can go back hundreds of years whose health benefits have not been hybridized out of them. There are commercial orchards all over the United States that specialize in growing these healthy & unique varieties for direct sale to the public. And too there are a number of nurseries here that provide antique apple trees for planting in your own yard, ones that produce the kind of healthy fruit Dr. Gundry recommends.
I’ve heard for years that a healthy gut is the best thing a person can do. It seems that these doctors will only do something if there are studies and “scientific fact”. How about deducting what has changed between the American diet and the diet of hundreds or thousands of years ago.
It’s even more ludicrous, since apples have the longest storage life of almost any fresh fruit available to us. It’s easy to eat apples all winter. Then you have strawberries coming the earliest in the spring and fresh fruit all the way through until apples and persimmons and pears in the fall and for winter storage.
Fresh apples and pears have been available year round for centuries … if they are properly stored. The book _Lost Country Life_ describes proper harvest and storage of many varieties of foodstuffs in medieval England.
His point is that you should eat them ripe. Let them ripe on the tree. Basically all the fruit you eat from the grocery store has been picked unripe and ripens afterwards
I love how passionate Dr. Belardo is about her specialty. It's exciting to see her get excited to share studies and science with us. Her enthusiasm is inspiring!!
Are you crazy. She is only good at regurgitating other people's work. Then repeating it continuously. I had to fast forward her parts after a while. She's so boring too.
Dr. Mike, your patience with this man has no bounds. 12:07 Your ability to get this man to actually answer your questions after him faffing around trying not to answer the question is impressive. The switch between the blue zone evidence he was trying to use as his supportive evidence and then his statement that he doesn’t believe they are reliable was so frustrating. Any… ANY… person who has had even basic science courses knows what a good study is comprised of and what components it needs to have to be considered reliable. What variables are you testing and what is the control, better to have a large number of test subjects, and a long study time.
You'd be suprised. Al of companies lean to corporate greed and direct 'research papers' in a biased way. We see this more and more now and it was exposed during Covid when random compamies through random anti-biotics as anti-viral treatments when they were not even replicated or controlled.
I agree. And tbh, I could literally feel myself get significantly more and more annoyed by every statement Dr Gundry made. I felt at a certain point towards the end, even he was realising that his statements could get him intro trouble so he started leaning toward what Dr. Mike was saying and agreeing with him. I dont mean to come off as rude or anything, Dr Gundry is a senior doctor, and he has experience and all that but i dont agree with majority of his claims and i dont like how, for the longest time, he was justifying his statement with some sort of weird logic. This is just my opinion though. I dont mean to offend anyone here
@@hladinibhosale No need to feel guilty. The expertise Dr. Gundry has does not exempt him and his pseudoscientific ideas from any criticism, regardless of whether the criticism comes from someone with expertise or not. At the end of the day, what matters are the facts.
When he was misrepresenting the results of the Lyon Heart Study, making silly noises over Dr. Belardo explaining what he's not properly presenting from that study, dodged the question 4-5 times in a row about why should an untrained person believe his anecdotal medical claims over another quack's anecdotal medical claims (as opposed to long-tested science) as if Dr. Mike was speaking gibberish, then started contradicting himself on the idea that measuring levels is more important than symptoms, I really felt Dr. Mike's boxing instincts kick in. How do you deal with this amount of gish gallop and talking in circles?
I'm really glad that this interview exists. Gundry is highly convincing when speaking without any opposition but this interview highlights the faults in his logics and him attempting to manipulate and gaslight.
Ngl, I was thinking "maybe there is some sense in what he is talking about" until either Mike or the other guest asked a question and Gundry went "well, I treat my patients, something something, A and not A are true at the same time".
@@billaddington831 He danced around questions and re-asserted irrelevant stuff several times instead of answering questions directly. That's a manipulation tactic where the manipulator doesn't want you to focus on something so they evade talking about it. Gaslighting is when he says "That's not what I said" seconds after saying exactly that when asked about a contradiction, and then says something else.
This interview is a masterclass in the fallacy of composition. For anyone who doesn't have time to watch, here's a quick summary of every topic: Dr. Mike: "Do you think this thing you just suggested is true as a general rule?" Dr. Grundy: "Well here's a specific example of something..."
To me it sounded like he said nicotine might be useful in small dosages, Not the smoke, and we know the cigarette companies added chemicals to the tobacco. He Never said he recommended people to smoke. I also believe small amounts of nicotine can be beneficial
@@phil-spinelli I`ll just leave it here: There is considerable evidence that nicotine is present in certain human foods, especially plants from the family Solanaceae (such as potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant).
It was difficult to watch "so are there any studies to back that up?" "Oh yes absolutely, but I am going to bring up a bunch of anecdotes till you forget you asked me for actual peer reviewed scientific studies that support the conclusions I am making"
@@StreakyBaconManyou took the words out of my mouth. My step dad was a confident idiot like gundry, and this video is just a childhood flashback lmao. In gundry’s case, I imagine he does it to save face so he can keep making money, but confident idiots will genuinely just blabber until they (and hopefully you) forget the question. Here’s a conversation with my stepdad. “Why do you think China is planning an invasion” “with the state of our current economy and our standard military codes means that we can only engage with neighboring countries of them”. End of conversation
Gundry has broken out of the Matrix! The Dogmatic priestly orthodoxies don’t like it when you challenge their authority! They don’t like niacin because there is no money in it! Big pharmaceutical controls the industry now be a good sheep and do what your told! Jab jab Ovid stab.
Great to have this discussion. Main critiscm is not being open minded and looking at every out of the ordinary idea as thats stupid instead of huh, tell me more
Its terrifying to see that someone like Dr. Gundry is so charismatic and talks in calm, well articulated and convincing way. He is never on the defence and never loses his cool. I know he is wrong, but in this debate, the amount of work needed to disprove him ends up giving him so much time to talk compared to Dr. mike and Dr. Danielle who sometimes need to talk so fast to fit the debunk in a short form. Mike and Danielle are right here but I can completely imagine some people watching this and thinking that Dr. Gundry is winning purely because he stays so relaxed and well spoken while Dr mike and Dr Danielle need to reactively talk really fast.
The amount of self control displayed in this interview is truly admirable. I don’t know how I would react to someone like this. Especially if I had dedicated my life’s work to legitimate, supported study on the topic
This is how adults are supposed to speak to one another, especially if they are doctors (meaning people who are supposed to rely on the scientific method and evidence based practice.)
Omg he never stops talking! I don’t think he answered a SINGLE question outright! He turned every question into a story or went completely in another direction to change the topic or shift it! Ayiyi.
The quality of this video is in Dr Mike not letting Gundry get away with his many rhetorical tricks. He kept pressing and bringing it back to claims that Gundry made, and if people paid attention, Gundry conceded several times, albeit, while still trying to hold to his claims in a dissembling sorta way. This was a master class in how to hold people to account for claims that they make.. It helped that Dr Bellardo was a little more referee at times (or good cop to Dr Mike's bad cop). Together they made for a very effective 1-2 punch.
Quite the opposite. Mike wanted biblical, historical "truth". Gundry offers a working theory with clinical success on thousands of patients. Mike chose the wrong approach: hostile and rhetorical. Like a sophist facing Socrates. He could have chosen Voltaire's way: witty, but still admirative of human achievement. Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition theory, while Mike and the lady are soaking in the dogma they learned and teach---like old Aristotelians faced by a Galileo. It
My mom was a victim of the natural medicine industry. She spent hundreds of dollars a month on bottles of all sorts of vitamins to “cure” any illness you could think of. She had a pain in her stomach area for about a year, and her natural doctor told her it was just stomach bile blockage. Fast forward a few more months, the pain got worse, unexplained weight loss, and it was diagnosed as pancreatic cancer when she finally went to a hospital for a CT scan. The scan showed at that point, it had grown too much for surgery. If you’re going to do the natural medicine route, please don’t dismiss your local hospital and see a certified physician when things don’t feel normal.
thank you for being a shining light in the darkness of these comments. yes, a healthy diet is good, but dr. gundry is poorly mistaken when he says a proper diet can reverse/prevent all disease. and i’m so sorry for what happened to your mother.
That’s awful. I’m so sorry. I genuinely feel that doctors who do things like that should lose their licenses for malpractice. Misdiagnosis that leads to unnecessary pain, injury, death, or hastened death due to bias should not be tolerated. Everyone misses things and makes mistakes at times, but when a doctor has a pattern of approaching treatment this way in the face of outcomes like your mother’s case, they aren’t behaving like a proper doctor anymore.
@@aELLimA This is the MO of the medical industry- remember the axiom: 'The operation was a total success, but the patient died' ? It's never a good idea to accept the diagnosis carte blanche: Everyone knows that doctors get to bury their mistakes. It's up to us, to sift through the misinformation to find the correct info & granted: That is not an easy task when the correct info is also deliberately buried. It'$ a big political drug pu$hing indu$try - legal but totally immoral (except for ER doctors - Thank God for them!)
@@aELLimA But prescribing dangerous RX drugs that drs do not even know how they interact with eachother isnt ok either The only RX drug that saves any lives are antibiotics All other just mask symptoms , they cure nothing . Medical doctors cant even cure heartburn. The medical system is not effective at most illness But we have a good critical care system
I'm glad you brought him in. As a healthcare provider, I plan on using this interview as an example to friends and family that just because someone is a doctor, doesn't mean everything they say is true. It matters on the consensus. There are doctors out there that believe the Earth is flat . It matters what most of the doctors are agreeing with. Not what these few random ones are saying. Keep up the good work doc. Everybody else, don't smoke cigarettes........ ever.
The earth is flat is disproven by evidence. But on what they debate even though there ate dofferent qualoty and controls of data both opinions are supported on statistics.
The fact that Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo were so respectful, because personally me, I literally would have not been able to control myself at this clear just confidence in misinformation, lol 😂
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You can just tell how much Dr. Mike disagrees, yet he still remains super polite. Props to him for having that much self control.
So true, I would've thrown hands😂
Yeah it's very very difficult to do something like that. It needs a lot and lot of practice to perfection this.
Amen to that. Guidry is one step above Oz sorry but he is. But people are gullible believing anything. This guy is making huge dollars off this. The sad thing is this man is convinced he’s right but there are studies proving him wrong. Vitamin C is water soluble it’s excreted when we have too much take enough all you’ll get is diarrhea. Gun dry cherry picks. They’re not predisposed genetically to develop those diseases. Half science isn’t science
I like to believe this is what happens when highly intelligent and mature professions hold a discussion. No one takes things personally. They just discuss. Challenging ideas is so important. The problem is, so many people, at least now, take being challenged as attacked.
Except at the end. He started getting a bit snarky there. I do not blame him though, it is actually quite impressive how long it took him to get there. I would've lost it in the first 30 min probably
I would love Dr. Grundy as my lawyer. Dude will manipulate so much info in his favor and not back down. Honestly it’s impressive.
He’s not wrong in a lot of his points. It’s just that the risk of confusion among the general public on what to eat greatly outweighs the advice he’s trying to give. In a lot of cases, both sides in various parts of the video (not all) present viable solutions for you and when contextualized can be a benefit to you!
@@rappercentral703he is mostly wrong
@@rappercentral703 The points he's not wrong about are still so blown out of proportion or so nichely applicable, according to the data cited by the other two competent doctors who aren't out to make money off their fad diet books, as to be practically useless.
@@rappercentral703 Saying he's not wrong is a lot of his points is similar to me saying "You can not die of heart disease if you shoot yourself in the head". This statement is very true, but the implication that I am trying to make is not correct.
@@wittyoak9027Yeah, I'm a statistician (sort of, I'm doing my masters in it) and I think if I wrote half of the type of thing he said in a paper I'd get failed on it for misrepresenting the facts
Nicotine is not nicotinic acid.
That part definitely has me pretty confused! I wish he would have told us how the effects of nicotine and b3 are related. I dont understand how he got from nicotine pouches to nicotinic acid. And then we never got an answer😢
Who said it was?
Nobody said it was
Yeah this doctor has clearly never been an avid smoker, the difference CAN be felt. How this old man even calls himself a doctor is crazy
By the way, if anyone was wondering, nicotinic acid, aka vitamin B3, is not in cigarettes.
And even if it was it would be the worst method of delivery. Just take a supplement
@@matth227nicotine gum is a good example lol
It's impossible to argue against someone who straight up ignores your argument and refuses to acknowledge what you're saying
True. It’s the most annoying thing ever when they don’t acknowledge what your saying and just blow it off as BS. I side, thoroughly, with Dr. Mike.
That’s most political discussions😂🔥
Who was doing that? All of them?
That’s because he gets rich off of convincing people who follow him and pay for his knowledge . No different that preachers on the left or right of politics.. they preach to the ears that pay them .
I totally agree. But I still agree with gundry. They won’t ever agree
If “I think correlation equals causation” was a person it would be this man right here.
Underrated
So true.
More toys are sold in December and there are more car crashes during that period. We should ban toys so there are less car crashes.
@@w花b this is the only logical course of action
@@anonymouspotato1022 dr Mike is just as bad and more dishonest
Can confirm this works. I've been eating cigarettes, smoking cheese, and inhaling fermented beans all my life and I am currently over 200 years old.
“Say it out loud”
“Vampire”
Dammit, I've been doing it wrong. I've been drinking cigarettes, injecting cheese and using fermented bean patches. I'm 3 years old and I look 200.
😂😂😂😂 Winning comment 🎉
*hit over 200lbs years ago.
jkjk
Bwaaahahaha! LMAO
I'm only 2 minutes in, but the fact that Mike recognized his own limitations in the field/specialty and brought on an expert to join the conversation speaks volumes about his priorities.
It's not ego. It's factual information.
Seriously impressed by the difficulty of this conversation but that everyone is able to remain civil and to the point. This is how discussions are supposed to work! Well done everyone
Imagine a political conversation in January 2024, going like this.
@@Mr25thfret It already happened lol. Imagine people just turning their cell phones off and doing something productive or fun lol. Yup. I think I will. And Ill enjoy what I do , whatever that may be because I feel so much better after following Dr. Grundys previous recommendations. Bye now.😄
@@Mr25thfrethave you seen British parliament? 😭 look it up compared to America it’s so funny
Agreed and both sides are using data to back up their claims.
@@armisteadkira32 it really is a matter of persuasion and getting the right facts out at the right time to disprove the logic of the opposing side
That being said, comparing grapes to chocolate is one of the least persuasive statements in this video. My dude Grundy is using logical fallacies as his defense so it really tells me who the winner is
The ultimate “trust me bro” I have ever seen
Not really, lots of theoretical hypotheses that would seem correct in theory, almost like communism.
So you think the lady arguing for eating round up weed killer is more trustworthy?
@@drsexy2491 And rapeseed/canola oil?
trust him bro
@@drsexy2491 where is she saying such a thing? She only states, from published research, that the presence of glyphosate or lack of it doesn't change the outcome of certain diseases, whereas Dr. Gundry states from anecdotal evidence that smoking is safe as long as you increase your vitamin C intake. Do you see the difference?
When she said “I actually looked up your publications and didn’t find anything except an abstract,” dawg I lost it 😂😂
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I think it is worrying that they all say that jews are a problem.
Timestamp?
@@tengahhidup It’s before the 20 minute mark in the 2nd large section of the video
Numb nuts. He’s not a researcher. Try to keep up.
This is a good debate. Everyone strongly disagreed, even thinking the other’s opinion is dangerous. But still they kept their calm throughout the whole thing, never did anyone raise their voice, never did anyone insult anyone else. Very impressive, a very good example of a proper debate.
Although dr.Grundy honestly didn’t stay that cool
I was going to say exactly that.
he lady keeps citing the recommendations of the professional association experts. Aren't these the same experts who had us wearing masks and locking down our kids and taking experimental jabs? The younger doctor thinks his patients are idiots who can't be told the truth.
as someone who is struggling with an autoimmune condition, it is so incredibly exhausting hearing different doctors recommending different diets and claiming that it gets rid of the inflammation. at this point, i don´t even know what to eat, because everyone says something different!
Same.
Maybe look into Dr Mindy Pelz and Dr Jason Fung. Their ideas on nutrition and fasting seem to work for many and the information is backed by numerous studies. Hope you find what works for you! Take care!
Yes. Because perhaps it is a little less about the food eaten than we think and much more about the lightwaves with which we interact than we think.
@@EvelynAdamsOfclDr. Fung and Dr. Berg are awesome.
there is no other alternative, the only way forward is to experiment.
Some people misinterpret what their calling is, this guy was born to be a lawyer with how much he twists information to work in his favor
The opposing side would have endless objections as pivoting like that would not work in court.
Nah, he should be a conman selling pseudoscience
Or a politician😂
This guy acknowledged he misinterpreted his calling. He changed his career from being a surgeon to a grifter.
@@Miner_20yeah that would be much more fitting since politicians don't get checked in real time by people unless there other politicians who are also probably lying lol Lawyers can't take a breath without being under somebody's microscope
This whole debate uncoupled my mitochondria.
Better start smoking
@@starchaser6024😂
Smoke some Cigarettes and maybe some Meth before bed
~ probably Dr. Grundy
L O L
Try meraki methylene blue. That will get your mitochondria back in shape!
Yesterday I hadn't heard of Dr. Gundry. I miss those days.
Me too. I really wish I hadn't seen his smug face either.
Eh sometimes it's good to hear and see something so stupid because it can make you feel better about yourself even if you're not the sharpest tool in the shed lol
i thought he was the most smug person ever. after watching this for the third time and a year later im almost sure that he ripped these two apart
I love that they disagreed and hardly spoke over each other. The talk was respectful and it made it so much easier to follow the conversation.
Were you watching the same video as me? 😂😂😂 Mike and Danielle talked over Dr. Gundry the whole time. He couldn’t even hardly finish a sentence.
@@drbrandonsantanYes, they sounded angry and were downright yelling at him, as if the doctor is the one causing obesity. 🤔
@@drbrandonsantanI only noticed they were doing that, after he interrupted them multiple times, and was being condescending.
They attacked him like vultures lol. Two snot nosed ytube `doctors`
Did we watch the same interview? Because that's not what I saw
What a master class for progressing the discussion to allow the nuance to bubble up. Resisting knee-jerk responses must've been very difficult and I applaud you for prioritizing the difficult path towards truth and understanding.
He is using a lot of techniques we use in counseling (I am a therapist). He is an absolute master at keeping his composure, all while letting things come out that he can challenge. This is how we counsel people, too; you have to build rapport, but also lightly (but professionally) challenge someone to get them talking more about what you're trying to find out.
Yo, I like your profile pic/gif. @qfrank76
@@cornelius_lcx Dr. gundry also not listening as he clearly states in season yet Dr.balardo point with actual facts fruits are beneficial year round not just in season , I would still rather eat fruits all year included in my diet over eating ice cream and junk processed refined sugars , Dr.gundry’s excuses for “in season” is cus he is trying to equal fruit to a candy bar which literally not the same even when not in season
agreed
@@cornelius_lcx gundry cultist
“There’s a really good correlation between ice cream sales and shark attacks as well” - Dr. Mike, summed up this discussion perfectly 😂 CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
What a coincidence,in this very long interview,that scene played just as i read your comment lol
If anyone would like to see more random correlations, there is a paper out there listing random correlations (like cheese consumption and dicovorce rates). They show graphs that seem to have the same shape, but are completely disconnected from one another.
I love this 😂
Unless there is A LOT of correlation
Correlation can mathematically equal causation :)
I love Dr. Mike at the end: “We should learn. No one’s against learning.” Amen brother
If he doesn't know anyone who overeats fruit, he's crazy or lying. I am overweight and I love fruit. I causes a huge blood sugar spike and wrecks everything I'm trying to do. Fruit is sugar.
Dr. Mike: "Anecdotes are not sufficient evidence"
Dr. Gundry: "Well, let me give you an example..."
Rinse and repeat 100000x
All evidence is anecdotal. You're relying on people who conduct studies to document their findings, and trusting they are adjusting appropriate variables without a vested interest.
I'm not defending Gundry, but this entire dismissal of anecdotal (the first and most basic form of science) is nearly as ignorant as the people who ignore studies.
@@Ribcutno not all evidence are anecdotes, that's simply a falso statement
Dr. Mike pokes a hole, Dr. Gundry moves onto something else... I'm not a doctor but I'm like woah.
@@Ribcut You missed Dr. Mike's point entirely.
@@Ribcut if you cant tell the real intentions of each doctor then no evidence will help you understand what's best for you
Doc Gundry is an expert at not answering questions directly.
Also at changing and twisting his previous answers when he gets proven wrong
Sounds like a politician for sure
Just like a politician!
It is difficult to answer a question directly when one is consistently cut off in their response.
@@bruceh3786 who is cutting of whom?
The whole podcast in a nutshell
Dr Gundry: Fruits are bad
Dr Mike: but they contain so many nutrients
Dr Gundry: yes that’s why they are healthy
Dr mike: but you said they are horrible
Dr Gundry: yes, I treat people in my clinic
Gundry keeps talking in circles...
Dosent he mean that those are nightshades? Wich are extremly inflammatory. I get brainfog n fatigue by eating it for just a few days. Obviously arent Mike educates enough w just being 30 years old or whatever he is
@@zzz_zzz_ZZZ_zzz_ZZZ_ZZZ_Z_z-ZZ your iq is to low to understand, he talks and explain it simple enough for even young Mike to understand
Dr. Gundry makes me wish cancel culture was real. This man is an idiot. "Don't worry you won't die of heart disease, lung cancer on the other hand..." 👀🤣
😂😂 yep, agree with this summary; props to Dr. Mike for staying civil and calm
Dr Belardo is the MVP in this podcast 😂
She keeps trying to pull him back to answer the question they are asking and he keeps ignoring her completely.
Props to Dr. Mike - this is amazing.
Dr. Belardo might as well be any other Statistics bearing Dr. that has no clue - vegan Hahahahah
This guy proofs, that it isn’t important what you say, but with how much confidence and great storytelling. He can sell everything as “proven”…
Proves *^
That's why education is a responsibility for everyone, can't just trust blindly
@@beyoutifulthatfasttravel7804 ironically, OP didn’t proof their comment 😂
@@80Molluscmaybe English isn’t their first language?
@@hejhejaske
well, even if that’s the case now they have the ability to learn something new about the language they’re using :)
Dr. Mike has a the patience of a saint. This guy is talking in circles. He has potential to be a great politician.
Same…. I am 20 minutes in and I feel like he has gone in a million circles. I am going to have to speed this conversation up to try to get through this. He really REALLY needs to be a politician. 13:28 this is all I have made it to so far with my ADHD.
@@syreetanolan5302you stopped watching 30 seconds after the woman started talking lmao
@@Hanibal_666um... Dr. Mike is still very much a practicing doctor.
@@Hanibal_666 Why are you lying?
@@Gold_pickaxe That is baseless assertion. We call it "putting your head in your ass."
Dr Mike: so, tell me about your patients
Dr gundry: well let me give you an example from this one hunter tribe
All these doctors in general are quacks
I too get frustrated when I have to have nuanced opinions. @@SparkleSurprise-nv5di
@@SparkleSurprise-nv5diDo you include dr. Mike & his friend? Or do you mean doctors like dr. Gundry? I didn’t fully understand your reply, sorry 😅
TIME?
@@Noah07602 Yeah, sure, trust the doctor who doesn`t even know what niacin is
This is very complicated, and its really fun to listen to experts talk about it and try to understand how to apply it to help people. I also love how this woman is killing it! She is so smart!
I'm absolutely sure listening to Dr. Gundry talk has given me more inflammation, disrupted my gut microbiome more, and caused me more leaky gut problems than anything I've eaten before or after listening to this podcast
Storytelling does not equal causation
It's the apples. Smoking a cigarette may help.
Official medicine will never personally provide you with correct information, after the economy of your country keeps on changing that A1 milk is useful, that modern bread is useful, that nightshades are useful. You believe in medicine because it hasn't made all the money from you yet.
Dr. Gundry looks younger than you
😂
Doctor you did amazing in this conversation, not being too aggressive but also calling the doctor out when he gave specific examples. This is a perfect way to talk to people who you dont agree with.
Honestly, despite Dr. Grundy's unwillingness to back down from some of his unsubstantiated stances, his ability to take criticism without becoming "overly" defensive or rude is admirable. This is exactly how to have a civilized argument about something. The hope is to learn from each other and hopefully move closer to the reality on the topic one way or the other and respect the others position to some degree. They were all able to agree on the most important aspects which is focusing on a plant-based diet without highly processed foods, but disagreed on the quality and usefulness of mechanisms and anecdotal evidence in providing recommendations to the public.
I wish Dr. Grundy was more willing to acknowledge how his claims can be confusing and misleading to the public especially when he respects the science and the nuance of the claims he's making, but it was a good source of discussion for how scientific recommendations should be made and acknowledges how anecdotal evidence still has some meaning since it can lead to more evidence based trials and studies that can let us learn more which then can lead to additional recommendations.
It is also a typical example of how academic discussions and disagreements proceed. Name-calling and aggression is not part of the practice of academic discussion. We praise this as if this is an accomplishment, but this is the only kind exchange that warrants the title of discussion. Any other form is juvenile.
. Excellent! Your summation should be most prominently placed under this video. Until I watched this, my exposure to Dr. Gundry's youtube videos led me to believe he was a greed-driven egotist. His attention-getting come-ons leave me with the exact impressions that concern Dr. Mike.
The hubris of "I can end all disease" is outrageous. I would guess that improved gut health will yield significant reductions in many syndromes and diseases. Science has so much research ahead in this area.
No one diet works for all, but avoiding harmful substances in food definitely does help everyone. Do we need study to prove that when we already know?
@@judithnelson1581 Mark Hyman was saying that 80% of his patients are sick cuz of their diet. This is complex problem in general, there is no `eat this, not that ` solution
“Who’s overeating fruit??” I genuinely loved this debate.
Raw vegans 😭
You can over eat fruit, too much sugar/fructose is too much. Period.
Fruitarians. Vegans with binge eating disorder. People who love to feel physically full yet not satisfied at all and sh!t themselves to death after constant bloating. Today's fruit is not natural and is way more sweet thanks to men manipulating it. Its not good for you regardless of who pushes what.
@@Gawnfallbut the majority of people can't get to that point without feeling sick from all the sugar
@@snap.-_- People are addicted to sugar
It's in practically everything we eat
Only problem is it's near impossible to grow your own vegetables and raise your own livestock
I’m a smoker myself but I’m well aware of the adverse health effects of such, hearing Dr. Gundry try to argue it’s a beneficial habit is just plain upsetting. I know the risk I put myself under by smoking and whilst I don’t plan on stopping I would never, unlike Dr. Gundry, promote it especially with a platform as large as his is.
Why don’t you plan on stopping?
Just genuinely curious
@@Buzzzy-bee some ppl like the act of smoking. My friend is like this. She knows smoking is bad, but still smokes a pack a day
I didn't hear him promote smoking, he seemed to be saying the opposite, that we obviously shouldn't be smoking. He was simply saying the he was interested in why a lot of smokers lived long lives and had some good health markers, so he wanted to find out what it is about cigarettes or smoking that could be causing these benefits.
I'm concerned for your comprehension if that was your take away. He clearly was talking about nicotine not smoking. I don't agree with Dr.Gundry on anything here but yeah it'd important to be honest.
12:15 “a man hears what he wants to hear and discards the rest..” love how he says exactly what he’s preaching
The modern Allen Keys. Cherry picking results from blue zones will always support any conclusion.
I believe it was Paul Simon in the classic tune The Boxer, "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."
Grundy is a non-smoker, who was educated to believe that smoking is an unmitigated evil and he saw that there are long-lived populations that are heavy smokers. How do you accuse him of being the one who "hears what he wants to hear"? That was exactly what he didn't want to hear. Apparently, you are discarding what you don't want to hear.
@@brianlewis8722Yeah, great song with great lyrics, it’s a shame that this guy is twisting its meaning like that
But Gundry is right and the other two are wrong. Watch the video. Gundry is helping and curing his patients and Dr Mike is complaining that he can’t get them to stop eating candy bars Fr.
I am only 15 minutes in but am impressed that both panelist have allowed the other to speak through an entire point and counter point without interruption.
Looking forward to see how it progresses.
You will be disappointed. They don’t let Dr. Gundry speak much after the 15 minute mark.
@@drbrandonsantanmost importantly he wont show anything but annecdotal evidence
@@dererik9070its not anecdotal its just cherrypicked sentences in studies that aren’t necessarily coming to the same conclusion that dr gundry has concluded…
They have way more self control than I would have. I’d have to take notes on things I would want to refute just to keep myself from interrupting 😅😅
@@drbrandonsantan yes they have. Dr Gundry was literally trying to shut up Dr. Belardo when she was explaining why his favorite study was being misrepresented by him. He kept saying “uhp. Uhp. Uhp. Uhp.” while she was explaining. Dr Gundry wasn’t some sort of victim in this. He just couldn’t defend his ideas as effectively as you would’ve wanted.
As someone with a couple of autoimmune diseases, I am *so* glad Dr. Mike called him out for being a cardio doctor telling people to ignore RHEUMATOLOGISTS.
Yes, this is worth repeating in a comment - my rheumatologist walks with me through what can be a really really frustrating journey.
This loser is incredibly ignorant. He should keep his mouth shut about autoimmune disease treatments.
Have you tried the beef carnivore diet? Only salt and pepper, no sugar and carbs.
Worked for me🤷♂️
@@UandMeDasame Ah yes. The "Have you tried [single food] diet?" comment comes.
The issue is you can get one good rheumatologist and 25 "bad" ones, which Dr Mike makes clear that the health system doesn't give doctors enough time to go through with every patient exactly what to do how to overcome their illness. Gundry "provides a solution" and like the individual is being listen to.
That is main problem, doctors might have the answer (which might be correct) but they don't communicate it well enough for the individual to achieve success or patient misunderstands what is and isnt required of them.
Gundry says some stuff that is off the cuff soundbites that are incredibly misleading but if you listen more closely and get to the crux of what he is saying, it is to eat a balanced Mediterranean diet (which is the same as what most cardiac doctors say as well).
As a nurse who worked in CVICU, and now works in a data role, helping our hospital to maintain compliance with our cardiac registries, I really appreciate what you have done. As a nurse, by default, I am not the top authority or expert. If I were to debate someone like Dr. Gundry, on something as basic as the fact that cigarettes are bad, it would be instantly dismissed. Thank you to you and Dr. Bellardo for being the grown-ups in the room!
If you read Dr Gundry, he says there are ingredients in tobacco that are beneficial and others that are harmful. Just like the fructose in fruit is generally harmful, but other components are beneficial.
Dr. Gundry never said cigarettes are good for you.
"Sickness is good for business". That quote is at the core of the issues of health in our society.
Yes and Dr Mike felt that deep within the soul when he heard that. That's why it went silent for awhile :D
When is that said?
Near the end @@gaspytheghost
Drop the timeline? Ty
CEO's are required by law to make profits for their company because they have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. I'd say the issue reaches further than just health care.
Huge respect to Mike here. Probably going insane about all the things he says, but still trying to stay reasonable and calm
. Dr mike and valardo are pharma puppets.. drs for 25yrs combined.versus gundry 50yrs of being a dr.
@jferreira2037 Mike is a garden variety doctor Dr Gundry is a heart surgeon. Mike is an out of his league RUclipsr….
Every time doctor Mike ask something the other guy just deflects by saying something even more crazy
How’s he deflecting? He gives examples for most of Mikes skepticism.
@@snowys7667 I'll agree Gundry doesn't answer the questions everytime, but most of the time he was rationnal, not emotionnal. Yes he has anecdotes and that is not a meta analysis, but it 's still to answer the questions. I think he would want more research done to confirm his anecdotes.
It's not because something sounds crazy that it's false
The expertise and extremely valuable insight that Dr. Danielle Belardo enhances this conversation with is brilliant. So glad she was a part of this.
For real, I learnt so much from her.
Yeah and vegan! I was impressed. Followed her on Insta but she doesn't seem to active there
I agree
100% she is ABSOLUTELY on top of the data in her field.
100% she is ABSOLUTELY on top of the data in her field.
Dr Grundy : Smoking good!!!!!
Dr Grundy : I don't smoke
I haven't heard of Dr. Danielle Belardo before, but wholly WOW!! She is SO well spoken, so intelligent, so just pheromonal! Thank you for bringing her on! She's just AMAZING! Love her!
Pheromonal? It's getting zesty in here!
She has a podcast called Wellness: Fact vs. Fiction that I highly recommend.
Ur glazing bud
Doing tricks on it
She's a spaz...
Dr Belardo is on top of her game! I love how she can go head to head with Dr Gundry without backing down because she can site the rationale behind everything that she says.
39:40 The disrespect from Gundry is disgusting
I disagree she is telling you that you have to wait 15 years to try anything that is not validated in peer reviewed studies. In the meantime keep doing what they tell you and when they eventually admit they were wrong about something too bad that you took that advice.
I find her ego is way through the roof
I had no idea who she was before this video started, and she's now my hero.
@@franokeefe2516thats not what she said at all
If nothing is working try something else. Don't write books for the masses though
These conversations would've previously been conducted behind closed doors. It's exciting to see them unfold in a semi-public setting.
1.5 million views is “semi” public 🤣
@@CaribbeanCasanovaSemi public because to see this you have to search or already follow Dr. Mike.
I think these kind of segments should be on TV; but the news and talk shows focus on sensationalism. They talk about things for overly extended periods of time; many things that don’t matter to the average Joe.
@@Mimiscellaneous thank god most people who watch tv 📺 are old Asf 😂
I think there’s a volatility to this kind of format. People who aren’t able to make educated decisions picking sides and cherry picking advice because well “they’re all doctors” I’d rather they figure this out to the best of their ability and report a conclusion rather than anyone get hurt or spread misinformation 3rd hand to their friends and family. It’s definitely cool to listen in, but maybe not good for us layman on the topic. Muddy waters you know?
@CaribbeanCasanova uh yes to billions of pol 1.5 mil is nothing
Thank you Dr Mike and Dr Belardo! Wow!! This has opened my eyes with Dr Gundry I’m stunned! He sounds like he’s lost his marbles. So glad I found this interview.! Glad to see both doctors have decent morals to still help people.
I just want to say I truly appericiate Dr. Belardo's scientific comebacks and how she executed her argumentation with providing explanations on things people like me would not understand if not explained because we are not studying or educated in this field.
I haven't seen her before but my first thought when I heard her talk was "WOW dude you're really good at talking"
I feel like I could listen to her for hours, she's so articulate
The difference between a grifter and the physician. She wants you to understand so you can make informed decisions while he wants to confuse you with words so he appear smart and sell you his products
Nothing has shot down this man's arguments faster than him stating things are good for you then saying immediately after that he doesn't do it.
Lol ikr? Says smoking is good for these people then turns around in the same breath and says he has never smoked a cig in his life 😂
or when Dr. gundry said "humans can't produce vitamin C on their own" only to seconds later say "HOWEVER olive oil doubles our vitamin C production" ???? :""DD
@@williamrobertson892 He never said smoking is good though. Why is everyone lying on the comment section together with Mike? He said nicotine was good, not smoking.
@@Hohohohoho-vo1pqright but at the same time it’s already difficult to see Dr. Gundry’s actually stance on every argument because of the statements he makes. If you’re going to be as bold as to say “nicotine is good for you” when the topic includes cigarettes, it’s wildly negligent to just say “well I didn’t say smoke cigarettes.” There is legitimately no other reason to say “oh well nicotine is good for you” in a discussion revolving around cigarette other than maybe playing devils advocate OR justifying the use of cigarettes and this guy never seemed like he was playing devils advocate because then he would stand by all of his statements because Dr. Gundry couldn’t take a single L. Even Dr. Mike near the end was professional enough to be like “I don’t know I’m smart enough to know when I don’t know something” and while I do think that was also an intentional jab at Dr. Gundry it’s still true
@@Gingersnaperz Dr. Grundy is very bad at communicating but also he tries to sound controversial. It's well known that nicotine has some health benefits. Almost all studies claiming nicotine is bad is done on smokers. But you can take nicotine without smoking. Some studies that just compared plain nicotine vs no nicotine intake found some benefits.
Dr. Grundy can't even explain that properly. He is just trying to sound extra controversial for attention maybe. He doesn't communicate what he believes clearly.
This interview is so masterfully done. He’s answered nothing and your patience in this is incredible. He is so smug and self righteous- it’s exuding from the screen. Good for you guys for conducting such a respectful conversation
Dude he constantly gave him correct answers but the lady wanted to spelled statistical nonsense to try to throw him under the rug and not listen to him😂
@@rollinupeverest5042I've got a bridge to sell you
@@rollinupeverest5042oh god 🤦♀️
@lydiaduh1098 using God's name in vain won't help you any, it's still unhealthy to eat things such as vegetables only which give you very very finite nutrients and many problems
Nonsense? I think it's just "statistics", just because you don't understand it doesn't make it nonsense@@rollinupeverest5042
This is a great example of how correlation does not mean causation. I'm an epidemiologist and I want to draw out a DAG for Dr. Gundry so bad. Dr. Mike, thank you so much for having a respectful debate with Dr. Gundry; you are amazing!
Dr. Gundry will see this comment and only read "Dr.Gundry, you are amazing"😂😂
@@lydiaduh1098 🤣 you're right
I am just a blue collar worker with no medicine background, yet this conversation is so fascinating i stay to the end. What a wonderful content.
@@user-zu1kf he means hes just a blue collar worker with no medicine background????? what are you confused about
I agree!!
Same brother, took me a little to understand what the hell they were talking about and what stuff was but was extremely interesting once i started to understand.
@@endlessentertainmentgamingI get you. It’s why it is so dangerous for a smooth talker like Gundry to talk about his rubbish to non doctors who don’t have enough knowledge to question what he’s saying.
@@rieyukitrue that
I also think it’s interesting to bring up populations who don’t regularly screen for certain diseases, and then say “the diseases don’t exist in those populations.”
EXACTLY
Lack of documentation is not negation!!!!!
@@HSMfanatic17 the absence of evidence apparently means that there is evidence of absence to this guy. and we cant forget that correlation means causation, which he seems to base his beliefs on.
Gundry seems like the type of guy to say “since I haven’t died once while I’ve been alive, statistically I will live forever.”
You look like the type of guy who isn't fooled by deogharzhava and its recognized science, which is based on business - agriculture, medicine, pharmacies. And you actively support this business.
Not really. He is a very well educated person in his field. I don’t know what he said that is outrageous at all. When he talked about smoking he clearly stated that it wasn’t the act of smoking but the nicotine that aided in longevity which I’m pretty sure nicotine is known to not be harmful and has its benefits. He talked about microbes in the gut and when he did they didn’t say he wasnt wrong they said they just can’t prove that yet… they brought up when they used to use beta blockers for patients having a bypass and how they would never do it now. We get things wrong sometimes in the pursuit of the truth. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t always search for the truth. And when there was a Dr saying you should never give beta blockers to someone after a bypass, they would say that Dr doesn’t know what they are talking about and is stupid.
I’m not saying this guy knows everything. But doctors who question the norm have been the ones who have given us breakthroughs in medicine. We need people to question the norm and try other options if we ever want to learn more. Again, I’m not saying he is right but this is how we advance at all as a society so for that. I love the conversation.
@@brianconlogue1302I do not like the behavior of Dr. Mike and his partner. They just look like they don't want to develop.
@@LarysaNick huh? What behaviour lmao? He just disagreed and was polite the entire time.
Moving towards more conversations like this being available has to be part of the recovery and reconstitution of the public trust in institutions. A big think you for organizing and to all the participants.
Dr. Belardo: This rigorously tested, repeatable study shows us this….
Dr. Gundry: this anecdote of this one guy showed me…
Just don’t forget her first response was we recommend people take Statin drugs - smh. When a doctors recommendation based on tests says you should take the FDA approved drug as the only option to lower vascular disease events. It’s a pretty sad and scary direction to lead people. Obviously all the doctors are still testing on all sides it’s all practicing medicine. But why lean to a drug as the only option?
I'll take anecdotal evidence over those rigorous tests that try to get medications FDA approved. I think they both have merits. But Mike disagrees and isn't hearing what I hear. I don't eat beans at all and I smoke, yet I'm far healthier than my sister who doesn't smoke and eats "healthy". She has heart issues. I do not. Heart disease has hit every generation in my family. Somehow I am the only one without heart issues. Sometimes natural and anecdote is better information in my opinion. Just do your own research and listen to your own body. Not every person is going to feel the same, just do what's right for you.
Because the people who would make lifestyle changes wouldn’t have let things get that far. Most the people that take chronic disease medication stay on it the rest of their life in part because of lack of change.
@@-Anon-Y-mousbecause they recognise that most people want a fix without expending effort themselves.
@@-Anon-Y-mous She's a doctor youre not dont try and seem like you're the expert
I’m sorry can we please get some more commotion for Dr. Belardo ?!?! This is literally her bread and butter, she 1000% knew what she was talking about and she took the discussion seriously despite Dr. Gundry shutting her and Dr. Mike down multiple times
And I may be super shallow but she is also extremely beautiful.
He was so rude cutting her off/mocking her by stuttering over her while she was trying to talk. She handled it well!
@SeniorSunday While true, to a point, it was also Cleary those two versus him. The host Regularly interrupted him and added sarcastic question quips, while she Regularly interrupted him and smiled/smirked at him, in a passive aggressive manner, as if to show disagreement and arrogance in her belief she was right.
If I were him, I might've acted similarly, over time.
And she's a Vegan.
Have a nice day.
@@jeffward24 I applaud their self restraint because he was disrespectful and full of logical fallacies the entire time. They cut in to redirect his straw man arguments and to get him to actually answer the questions they were asking. He just ignored their logic and counter evidence to move the goal post every time he was called on his sh*t. He was full of unsubstantiated claims and kept cutting in with irrelevant and cherry picked data points that only made sense in a vacuum. What he is saying is dangerous, and anyone who has taken debate or studied classical logic will understand how and why his line of argumentation is baseless. I cannot overstate how disingenuous he is being here.
Eat more seed oils, please.
I'm usually unwilling to sit through a RUclips video that's more than 30 minutes long. This hour and 45 minutes was worth every second.
1.75 x speed for me.
what’s up with y’all’s attention spans lol
I’d be watching 2-3 hour videos every few days lol
Same
Yes I agree with everyone else, props to Dr.Mike for not flipping out on this man!
dr belardo is so real i love her fr. when she said “welllll i actually look up your paper and it was never published” LMAOOO READ HIM DOWNNNN
That doesn't mean much when you have to go along with the establishment most of the time to get what you want published
Remember when double blind placebo studies said vioxx was safe? Oops 😂
You're one of those ppl that thought ivermectin was "debunked" because of double blind studies showing no efficacy in ivermectin treatments...completely outside the scope of what any doctor administering them claimed had efficacy 😂
I'm 81; smoke 30/day and after hearing this session
I'm going to order some of his products pronto!
He's cool & not a fool....
@@Paul-y8x Lol you just want an excuse to keep smoking. Be honest with yourself at least 😆
@@rollinupeverest5042 delusion
This was hard to watch...but a must watch tbh. The public does need to to be privy to these conversations among professionals. We may not understand all of the nuances, technical terms, studies, etc, but we do see where each doctor stands when it comes to patient care. Thank you Dr Mike for showing us this layered moment. It is humbling how much you care about our health ❤
You are exactly right. It's only good for some of us, though, because bad ideas can reinforce stubborn people.
That being said, we probably need yo find ways to give people a broader perspective and more understanding of what is going here, while using layman's terms. How is the average person going to know for certain that this is an "anecdote" or pre selected bias?
And i thought the title confronting was some clikbait, and i was ready to downvote. But surprised it was an actual confrontation
He went partying in full lockdown covid times lol
Everything is a public persona
He doesn't care enough to listen carefully and ask for further elucidation in areas he doesn't know about.
Mike knows enough to be a narcissist who is useless to half his patients.
He could start by looking up Zonulin, molecular mimicry, HLA-DQ2 and/or DQ8 autoimmune thyroid, insulin resistance, mitochondrial health
I'm mystified how lab tests can detect harmful markers when there's no placebo group from which to draw this ideal blood sample. Every marker is subject to interpretation by whoever is looking at it, there is no real understanding of how ALL the factors add up in function.
Any Dr that tells me they miss "the good ol days" when talking about medical care scares the hell out of me.
Yeah, instead trust Quack Mike, take your Vaccines, pills, drink your fluoride and forget what humans used to eat.
Good luck with that.
You don’t want to use leaches to fix your toothache?
@@heinz57channel39😂
You have ghosts in your blood. Better do cocaine about it!
@@heinz57channel39”suck my blood, leach daddy 😩”
I have never seen a man with such supreme confidence in every thought in his head and every word that comes out of his mouth, regardless of what anyone else says.
You must not watch American politics lmao
@ 😂😂
What’s so scary about all this is idk 90% of what they’re talking about, yet this Gundry talks with such confidence that if he was your provider you’d listen to him. That’s dangerous. Thank God for Danielle being there to counter
I agree, and I think this is a good argument for understanding logic/rhetorical tools, because it helps you see the shape of the conversation and how it does (or does NOT) actually address the points being made. For example, constant shifting of the conversational focus, contradicting yourself, distractions, talking in circles, are all things Dr. Gundry is doing to avoid a direct back-and-forth about the solidity of his own arguments.
That's definitely not something you can really do in the clinic though, so I'm with you there... Hope to god your doctor doesn't feel like going on a cash grab book-writing tour.
Danielle has no clue.
How do you know who to believe? Because standards can’t be wrong? Everyone pushing the envelope is crazy… until they’re not. Don’t be so fast to judge
@@AngryEpileptic He wasn't pro-smoking. Stop being dumb. He was talking about the nicotine component. He is far more intelligent than either of the two other people.
@@josha1536standards can be adjusted as we gather more and more reliable information and data over time. The whole purpose of the scientific method is to discern which information is credible to build the scientific consensus on and move forward with further research. If someone is making claims that refute years of scientific research chances are they have ulterior motives.
Like selling supplements to protect you from the thing he says is bad now.
Can Dr Mike moderate political debates? He did a wonderful job keeping everything professional while allowing both guests to get their points across and calling out any misinformation
the other thing is the people who are involved in the debate are doctors.. and if you see a scientific debate.. they are very professional but the participants of a political debate are uneducated, unprofessional people.. frankly the whole democratic structure of governance is a failure as Socrates pointed it out..
I'd like to see Dr Mike and Vivek Ramaswamy discuss how to reform the health care system...that might be interesting
Team Mike
@@cornelius_lcx you didn't watch the video properly. My condolences for your delusions.
@@cornelius_lcxYou misunderstood Dr. Mike's argument.
If the best thing you can do in helping a patient adjust their diet is to restrict fruit consumption by season, you probably don't need to be adjusting their diet.
It's heart-warming to see a professional sitting down and respectfully explaining from a scientific point what are the problems with promoting such unreliable things. Thank you Doctor Mike for this video, the internet truly needs it!
Thank-you so very much for doing this interview and citing relevant peer reviewed studies. I visited a wellness center yesterday and was given an anti-inflammatory list of foods by Dr. Gundry. The non-medical practitioner told me that organic squash, green beans, and Einkorn wheat causes inflammation. On the nut list there was every kind of nut except almonds. On the flour list, the first flour was almond flour. 🤦♀. I told them I eat Icelandic skyr (yogurt which is low in sugar and high in protein). They told me to stop eating it and eat goat yogurt. I looked on the dairy list and it had butter, organic kefir, organic yogurt, organic cheese, plus goat cheese, etc... Dr. Gundry's published list of an anti-inflammatory diet is as inconsistent as his arguments in this debate. I'm so grateful for critical thinking and the experts on this panel poking holes in the irresponsible advice Dr. Gundry promotes.
As a nurse who's seen many people die from the effects of being smokers (and some were healthy besides that), this was incredibly eye twitching right off the bat. Kudos for this convo because wow
He’s being realistic. Honestly, I thought Gundry was gonna be extra but he’s being incredibly nuanced.
Do you believe vaping is safer than smoking cigarettes?
He wasn’t saying smoking is healthy. He was noting that there is little by way of studies as to what makes populations with longevity live despite being smokers.
@@morganssmashingpearls3329 Nuance is lost on people apparently.
I feel like unless you’ve studied these things massively or put thousands of hours into your own experiments it’s hard to really say who’s right and wrong depending on the exact point they are trying to make with the study
When they say 9/10 doctors agree he’s that one that doesn’t agree 😂
Super underrated comment lol
@@Wooxy117 😂😂😂😂
"Most sientists are bottle washers and button sorters." (R. A Heinlein through his fictitious character Lazarus Long). Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition research, with the backing of clinical success with thousands of patients. I doubt Mike can brag as much. Although he does brag about having millions of non-clinical laypersons following his communications expertise. Like a sophist (Mike) facing a Socrates (Gundry)
@@yvesjeaurond4937 you're on the side of the "underdog" regardless of his argument or actual work...
He'll be another voice forgotten about another dietary fad...
He's a surgeon, not a physician and neither a dietician... He doesn't know anything more than either does...
Dr Gundry is very good at theory, the chick is basically just reiterating convention. But convention is poorly wrong these days, so why do people agree with the chick?
Gundry sees the flaws in current convention, and using good logic and theory and an open mind finds a better solution to an existing problem.
Listen to the speakers against Gundry. Gundry’s logic is not wrong, they can’t attack it, they only attack it because his methods go against conventional studies.
Mike, doc, bro, this discussion had me at the eye of my seat. I’ve been following you for years and I share each video that will help my wife (who will pick up on people like him) understand why I advocate your words. Please never sell out or change. You are one of the most genuine helpful channels for people like us who live among doctors with knowledge from 30 years ago.
@lastfreemen can you not come up with another response? You've legitimately commented that multiple times.
@@cornelius_lcxHe's not promoting high fructose diets? Gundry is the one saying you might as well eat Hershey's because grapes are sugar bombs
Mike: "I think therefore I am"
Gundry: "Noo, I think therefore I'm not"
Mike: "How did you conclude that?"
Gundry: "If i am thinking, i am, so therefore i'm not"
😂
Thank you for not giving him another platform to mislead people unchecked. The type of statements he gives are to be rebuked like this.
Bruh this guy. That “it’s called authority bias” was amazing. It was great how he kept answering a different question than one which was asked and clearly wasn’t actually listening to to them. Whenever Dr. Mike and Belardo were talking he would always say “correct” or “hmmyesss” as if he were the absolute authority on everything. Well done, it was nice how civil things were kept, very interesting and informative as always. Best of luck to the three Doctors and their patients!
typical con man, snake oil tactics. if you want the bodybuilder version watch miike ohearn
Do you know Dr. Gundry's history? He has every right to be the "authority" in the room. He's old school doc. Sort of like the one in Doc Hollywood, that stopped the young doctor from cracking open a 7 year old girl's chest, when a coca-cola solved the problem. But, alas, there's no "clinical trials" showing coca-cola stops indigestion. LOL
it makes sense how when we can't count or measure the things that rely on other people to relay, it gets bent in the way that benefits the person the most. Kind of a crazy coincidence.
Coming at this with that mechanistic way of thinking is funny, but it's like telling someone something is a certain length. Then asking them to make the ruler 😂 the world's going to be a different place when we end up accountable for everything and looking the part or saying things the right "mmmyeah" isn't going to have more pull then (the closest thing we have to quantifiable measurement) research.
It's so easy to back anything you say with this study (that not alot of people will or *believe they are competent enough to look at). And in the end the over confidence from a few people that lean into their jobs seeming more complex to maximize the recognition they get... Hurts the progress of medicine. But at least a few people feel recognized and get extra income 😂 It's like getting mad at a golden retriever for eating a sandwich you left on the coffee table. You know if you left it on the table, and there was nothing up to stop it from happening... It was going to happen. Can you really blame the dog 🫠
imagine comparing 21st century medicine and the availability of information to Doc hollywood LMAO@@Mr25thfret
@@Mr25thfret Well stated!
My favorite thing is seeing the flabbergasted expressions on Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo's face whenever Dr. Gundry says some absolutely insane statement
ikr
Yes, thats pure comedy gold :D
What was the most insane thing he said?
This is the content I need. I don't trust that my GP is on top of new info and social media 'doctors' are so conflicting but all yell authoritatively into echo chambers. I need to see experts in conversation to work out the non-negotiables and hear them argue their cases on areas of disagreement.
All though this wasn’t an easy conversation, I think you did a great job discussing in a professional way.
The worst part is alot of what he said started off with facts then he always goes off into nonsense whenever hes questioned
Unfortunately, Dr Gundry doesn’t need to be right.
All he needs to do is get away with making people think he MIGHT be onto something.
That’s it. Once he’s done that, he can sell you all the supplements that appear directly after EVERY SINGLE pitch he gives.
Money. That’s what Dr. Gundry is all about.
@@MUIDYLANICE He jumps to conclusions, not a slow movement toward but jumps. That's impatience, ego. If I were a doctor I would be just like that. I drive my wife crazy.
@@retireorbust Agreed.
Dr. Mike, this is absolutely exquisite content. Although the long form may not be as click-baity as some other, shorter videos, this is exactly how to settle disputes with others regarding competing scientific evidence and theories. I can tell that Dr. Gundry truly believes his position and wants to help his patients as well as those who listen to him, but it's discussions like these that are effective in highlighting the flaws in one's arguments. Having an open discussion, void of any open disdain or blatently hostile argument is refreshing and honestly much more entertaining. I hope this discussion has had something of an impact on him, and that it wasn't just perceived as a character assassination, as it certainly wasn't. The exposure of mechanistic bias is ever so important yet underappreciated in the public, but this is exactly the content that brings it to light.
Please do not be disillusioned by the view counts. This is the content that really makes a difference and stays in people's minds. I would love to see more. I'm sure many others would agree.
Really ? Better listen to Gundry.
@@Notme-tq4xs It is important to listen to viewpoints that you strongly disagree with, so that you can understand and then counter them. Dr. Gundry's ideas should be considered and analyzed critically, as with any viewpoint. In this case, it was discovered, through critical analysis, that his viewpoints were flawed in that they relied on mechanistic bias, as well as faulty isolation of variables assumed to contribute to causality in correlations with no real evidence to support it, with regards to his conclusions about the results of various statistics in "blue zones", as well as medical studies on diet.
Absolutely agreed, amazing content that you don't see anywhere else.
Thank you so much for talking to this doctor. I see his ads 100 times a day and they’re so deceiving. Thank you for making him explain his theories .
It’s always Lectins from this guy
He DID explain his theories, though.
@@crowmedicine3890he’s quick to dismiss comments though. Sure he “listens” but he’s quick to deflect or flip it in his favor.
@@depressivschwul2377 Honestly, that's what he's there for. Mike brought him on for a debate.
@@crowmedicine3890 that’s what I said! “Thank you for making him explain his theories”
Doctor Mike is RAGING in his heart of hearts ❤🔥
I actually learned a lot from this doctor. He is the best at dodging questions and derailing the conversation to where he wants it to go
Sharing this video with my Debate teacher!
@@average_mouse honestly a perfect example of saying a lot without substance and pointing a debate/conversation to where his biases and intended point are.
He’ll prob run for President next 😂
Have you seen Gavin Newsome?
I’ll give you an example… this guy at Harvard said something very interesting… but here’s another example unrelated to the other example I never finished… and did you know that apes don’t smoke cigarettes yet they get their nicotine from bananas which is great becaaaaaauuuusse the bananas inherent magical components that counteract AIDS… which is what? An autoooooimuuune disease (smug smirk knowing how many morons will buy my book)
The confidence coming from this guy. I swear, if you could turn an anecdote into a person, this would be him.
God complex. I said it, so it must be.
CONfidence. You’ll never find a con-man who’s not certain in their scams.
He was a surgeon, this kind of confidence probably helped him with that..
But the other two doctors don't show confidence with constant interruption and lengthy explanations? Don't get into the bias trap. It's a fallacy.
@@SeanThomasCross thanks for the reminder, but I’d say one of the people in this debate has less merit behind their confidence than the others. The suggestion “Might as well.” in response to a suggestion that mothers should equate chocolate to fruit spews confidence that is unearned and irresponsible.
It’s very hard to win an argument against a smart person, but it’s impossible to win an argument against a stupid person.
Generally the smart person will acknowledge the other person has a point - the stupid person will often insist that the other person is wrong
@@Nikelaos_Khristianos not always, depends on the argument at least in my opinion but you have a very good point
Challenge accepted.
He’s hardly stupid, he’s just dogmatic
@@sticklebacketienne he’s very stupid
If he's so adamant that smoking has positive health benefits, why has he "never had a cigarette in [his] life"...? (heard at minute 10:28)
Because he doesn't really know what he believes.
As a physical scientist, I’ve come to recognize the crucial distinction between being a medical doctor and a scientist. While there are MDs who are also skilled scientists, it’s important to understand that an MD degree doesn’t inherently confer scientific expertise. This distinction has become more apparent in the post-COVID-19 era, where some MDs, especially those who have been engaged in desk medicine for an extended period, may lack the necessary scientific training. This sometimes leads to the conflation of correlation with causation, a fundamental misunderstanding in scientific inquiry. It’s essential to remember that correlation does not imply causation and that scientific exploration requires rigorous analysis to establish causal links.
I applaud Dr. Mike for providing a space for conversation and debate as this is the correct approach at clarifying these misconceptions and misleading statements provided by confused health professionals.
Medicine is also an art, not just science. Human body is extremely complex and health boils down to a plethora of interconnected factors, many if which remain unknown. And yet the doctor must take action to treat a patient. The difference between medicine and science is that a scientist merely researches the unknown in order to make it known and understand it. And a doctor must actually take action to treat a patient, accepting the fact that there is something (or rather a lot) he doesn't know. Uncertainty is an integral part of doctor's craft that's why it's not only science but also art, and there's a demand for a great deal of intuition in medical profession.
So, it's not confusing correlation and causation or lack of understanding on his part or anything like that. It's the extreme complexity and innate uncertainty of the medical field.
Some doctors may portray themselves as an ultimate authority in their field by sticking to the prevailing to date research. However, that current research is not ultimate truth but just current state of things which may change when more data is available. So doctors who are sceptical to dogmatic thinking and are open minded may not look like ultimate authority but they are closer to the idea of doctor than those who are dogmatic.
Think about lobotomy, which used to be scientifically proven as a valid method of treatment. Until it wasn't.
Lmao - wow
What we "know" often changes. I've read that the amount of medical knowledge is said to double every 73 days. Due to this, I think this is one area where AI shows great promise in helping us synthesize that information and to help make great strides in medicine and maybe make personalized medicine a reality.
Well said
While this is somewhat true, that MDs don't receive as much research experience as PhDs for example, I feel like it's a vast oversimplification that doesn't do anyone justice. Many MDs have graduate degrees and if they don't, they almost always have at least a bit of research experience in the undergraduate portion of their education. Considering how competitive modern medical schools are, it's almost impossible to get into a good medical school without research experience, whether taught in classes or in internships. Additionally, more and more MDs are entering the field of research as a second or secondary career. The vast majority of both PhDs and MDs are more than qualified to conduct and interrupt scientific research. It all depends on the type of research and whether the lead author is competent within their field, regardless of the letter beside their name. I just don't it's fair to say the MDs don't have scientific expertise.
Dr Gundry took "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" too personally
😂😂😂
Brilliant 🎉
I like your Zutomayo profile pic 😁
The good, worthy of eating apples Dr. Gundry is talking about are called antique apples.
Old, usually smaller, often not so attractively colored varieties with lineages that can go back hundreds of years whose health benefits have not been hybridized out of them.
There are commercial orchards all over the United States that specialize in growing these healthy & unique varieties for direct sale to the public.
And too there are a number of nurseries here that provide antique apple trees for planting in your own yard, ones that produce the kind of healthy fruit Dr. Gundry recommends.
I’ve heard for years that a healthy gut is the best thing a person can do. It seems that these doctors will only do something if there are studies and “scientific fact”. How about deducting what has changed between the American diet and the diet of hundreds or thousands of years ago.
Bro got offended by the apple a day keeps the doctor away so much he became a medieval doctor
omg, hahahahah
Lol
That comment got a sincere chuckle from me, Ty I needed it😊
It’s even more ludicrous, since apples have the longest storage life of almost any fresh fruit available to us. It’s easy to eat apples all winter. Then you have strawberries coming the earliest in the spring and fresh fruit all the way through until apples and persimmons and pears in the fall and for winter storage.
that’s an disservice to medieval doctors lol
Fresh apples and pears have been available year round for centuries … if they are properly stored. The book _Lost Country Life_ describes proper harvest and storage of many varieties of foodstuffs in medieval England.
Is it a good read?
His point is that you should eat them ripe. Let them ripe on the tree. Basically all the fruit you eat from the grocery store has been picked unripe and ripens afterwards
I love how passionate Dr. Belardo is about her specialty. It's exciting to see her get excited to share studies and science with us. Her enthusiasm is inspiring!!
Are you crazy. She is only good at regurgitating other people's work. Then repeating it continuously. I had to fast forward her parts after a while. She's so boring too.
Dr. Mike, your patience with this man has no bounds. 12:07
Your ability to get this man to actually answer your questions after him faffing around trying not to answer the question is impressive. The switch between the blue zone evidence he was trying to use as his supportive evidence and then his statement that he doesn’t believe they are reliable was so frustrating.
Any… ANY… person who has had even basic science courses knows what a good study is comprised of and what components it needs to have to be considered reliable. What variables are you testing and what is the control, better to have a large number of test subjects, and a long study time.
You'd be suprised.
Al of companies lean to corporate greed and direct 'research papers' in a biased way.
We see this more and more now and it was exposed during Covid when random compamies through random anti-biotics as anti-viral treatments when they were not even replicated or controlled.
I agree. And tbh, I could literally feel myself get significantly more and more annoyed by every statement Dr Gundry made. I felt at a certain point towards the end, even he was realising that his statements could get him intro trouble so he started leaning toward what Dr. Mike was saying and agreeing with him. I dont mean to come off as rude or anything, Dr Gundry is a senior doctor, and he has experience and all that but i dont agree with majority of his claims and i dont like how, for the longest time, he was justifying his statement with some sort of weird logic. This is just my opinion though. I dont mean to offend anyone here
@@hladinibhosale No need to feel guilty. The expertise Dr. Gundry has does not exempt him and his pseudoscientific ideas from any criticism, regardless of whether the criticism comes from someone with expertise or not. At the end of the day, what matters are the facts.
@hladinibhosale honestly, the best part of this discussion was Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo discussing the issue and explaining why it's bunk.
When he was misrepresenting the results of the Lyon Heart Study, making silly noises over Dr. Belardo explaining what he's not properly presenting from that study, dodged the question 4-5 times in a row about why should an untrained person believe his anecdotal medical claims over another quack's anecdotal medical claims (as opposed to long-tested science) as if Dr. Mike was speaking gibberish, then started contradicting himself on the idea that measuring levels is more important than symptoms, I really felt Dr. Mike's boxing instincts kick in.
How do you deal with this amount of gish gallop and talking in circles?
I'm really glad that this interview exists. Gundry is highly convincing when speaking without any opposition but this interview highlights the faults in his logics and him attempting to manipulate and gaslight.
tbh i dont think id be too convinced by him anyway🤷🏼. most of his "evidence" is 'this guy smoked and hes fine' or 'trust me, i did the math'😂😂
Ngl, I was thinking "maybe there is some sense in what he is talking about" until either Mike or the other guest asked a question and Gundry went "well, I treat my patients, something something, A and not A are true at the same time".
I didn't see any attempt to manipulate or gaslight, but an intelligent exchange of opinions and ideas
@@billaddington831 He danced around questions and re-asserted irrelevant stuff several times instead of answering questions directly. That's a manipulation tactic where the manipulator doesn't want you to focus on something so they evade talking about it.
Gaslighting is when he says "That's not what I said" seconds after saying exactly that when asked about a contradiction, and then says something else.
@@billaddington831 i think u should probably rethink how u interact with ppl if u see this as normal.
This interview is a masterclass in the fallacy of composition. For anyone who doesn't have time to watch, here's a quick summary of every topic:
Dr. Mike: "Do you think this thing you just suggested is true as a general rule?"
Dr. Grundy: "Well here's a specific example of something..."
When he came out the gate saying actually you live longer if you smoke I was like alright. Let’s buckle our seatbelts this is gonna be wild.
We said smoking is what keeps them alive longer I almost fell out of my chair.
To me it sounded like he said nicotine might be useful in small dosages, Not the smoke, and we know the cigarette companies added chemicals to the tobacco. He Never said he recommended people to smoke. I also believe small amounts of nicotine can be beneficial
If you have the right diet
@@phil-spinelli I`ll just leave it here: There is considerable evidence that nicotine is present in certain human foods, especially plants from the family Solanaceae (such as potatoes, tomatoes, and eggplant).
Is that why 87% of lung cancer deaths are from smokers. This guy is quack.
He even said that the blue zones should not be used as evidence BUT LITERALLY USES IT AS EVIDENCE THE ENTIRE TIME 😭😭😭
😂
It was difficult to watch "so are there any studies to back that up?" "Oh yes absolutely, but I am going to bring up a bunch of anecdotes till you forget you asked me for actual peer reviewed scientific studies that support the conclusions I am making"
@@StreakyBaconMan literally 😭😭
@@StreakyBaconManyou took the words out of my mouth. My step dad was a confident idiot like gundry, and this video is just a childhood flashback lmao. In gundry’s case, I imagine he does it to save face so he can keep making money, but confident idiots will genuinely just blabber until they (and hopefully you) forget the question. Here’s a conversation with my stepdad. “Why do you think China is planning an invasion” “with the state of our current economy and our standard military codes means that we can only engage with neighboring countries of them”. End of conversation
@@StreakyBaconMan “Yes - now let me tell you a tangentially related story”
Dr.Mike don’t ever change !!! Enjoyed every bit of this debate especially when confronting fume inducing claims
I just he’d stop using ridiculous statements to attack gundry. Like how does gut issues cause aids.. like come on that’s the best example u can give?
Dr. Mike waves his hands nicely. Tells me this is not about medicine
Gundry has broken out of the Matrix! The Dogmatic priestly orthodoxies don’t like it when you challenge their authority! They don’t like niacin because there is no money in it! Big pharmaceutical controls the industry now be a good sheep and do what your told! Jab jab Ovid stab.
Great to have this discussion. Main critiscm is not being open minded and looking at every out of the ordinary idea as thats stupid instead of huh, tell me more
And still promoting the Book?!
Its terrifying to see that someone like Dr. Gundry is so charismatic and talks in calm, well articulated and convincing way. He is never on the defence and never loses his cool.
I know he is wrong, but in this debate, the amount of work needed to disprove him ends up giving him so much time to talk compared to Dr. mike and Dr. Danielle who sometimes need to talk so fast to fit the debunk in a short form.
Mike and Danielle are right here but I can completely imagine some people watching this and thinking that Dr. Gundry is winning purely because he stays so relaxed and well spoken while Dr mike and Dr Danielle need to reactively talk really fast.
The amount of self control displayed in this interview is truly admirable. I don’t know how I would react to someone like this. Especially if I had dedicated my life’s work to legitimate, supported study on the topic
This is how adults are supposed to speak to one another, especially if they are doctors (meaning people who are supposed to rely on the scientific method and evidence based practice.)
Imagine how you would react if you went into his office as a potential patient and he told you that apples are evil 😂
I know, it must be so hard. They should give like a class on self control during debate. I would take that class.
This was a great conversation y'all. And extra props to Dr. Belardo for keeping her composure and being an absolute rockstar
Omg he never stops talking! I don’t think he answered a SINGLE question outright! He turned every question into a story or went completely in another direction to change the topic or shift it! Ayiyi.
The quality of this video is in Dr Mike not letting Gundry get away with his many rhetorical tricks. He kept pressing and bringing it back to claims that Gundry made, and if people paid attention, Gundry conceded several times, albeit, while still trying to hold to his claims in a dissembling sorta way. This was a master class in how to hold people to account for claims that they make.. It helped that Dr Bellardo was a little more referee at times (or good cop to Dr Mike's bad cop). Together they made for a very effective 1-2 punch.
I agree!!
Quite the opposite. Mike wanted biblical, historical "truth". Gundry offers a working theory with clinical success on thousands of patients. Mike chose the wrong approach: hostile and rhetorical. Like a sophist facing Socrates. He could have chosen Voltaire's way: witty, but still admirative of human achievement. Gundry is a paradigm shifter on the avant-guard of nutrition theory, while Mike and the lady are soaking in the dogma they learned and teach---like old Aristotelians faced by a Galileo. It
Nah, the are just explaining evidence based medicine, while Gundry is trying to sell you something lol
@@joacopoiowhere is the evidence coming from? right, from paid studies...
the type of content everybody should see on the internet
My mom was a victim of the natural medicine industry. She spent hundreds of dollars a month on bottles of all sorts of vitamins to “cure” any illness you could think of.
She had a pain in her stomach area for about a year, and her natural doctor told her it was just stomach bile blockage. Fast forward a few more months, the pain got worse, unexplained weight loss, and it was diagnosed as pancreatic cancer when she finally went to a hospital for a CT scan.
The scan showed at that point, it had grown too much for surgery.
If you’re going to do the natural medicine route, please don’t dismiss your local hospital and see a certified physician when things don’t feel normal.
thank you for being a shining light in the darkness of these comments. yes, a healthy diet is good, but dr. gundry is poorly mistaken when he says a proper diet can reverse/prevent all disease. and i’m so sorry for what happened to your mother.
That’s awful. I’m so sorry. I genuinely feel that doctors who do things like that should lose their licenses for malpractice. Misdiagnosis that leads to unnecessary pain, injury, death, or hastened death due to bias should not be tolerated. Everyone misses things and makes mistakes at times, but when a doctor has a pattern of approaching treatment this way in the face of outcomes like your mother’s case, they aren’t behaving like a proper doctor anymore.
@@aELLimA This is the MO of the medical industry- remember the axiom: 'The operation was a total success, but the patient died' ? It's never a good idea to accept the diagnosis carte blanche: Everyone knows that doctors get to bury their mistakes. It's up to us, to sift through the misinformation to find the correct info & granted: That is not an easy task when the correct info is also deliberately buried. It'$ a big political drug pu$hing indu$try - legal but totally immoral (except for ER doctors - Thank God for them!)
@@laylademolee2003 if you didnt have such serious deficiency and toxic load you wouldnt be sick .
Thats a fact
@@aELLimA But prescribing dangerous RX drugs that drs do not even know how they interact with eachother isnt ok either
The only RX drug that saves any lives are antibiotics
All other just mask symptoms , they cure nothing .
Medical doctors cant even cure heartburn.
The medical system is not effective at most illness
But we have a good critical care system
I'm glad you brought him in. As a healthcare provider, I plan on using this interview as an example to friends and family that just because someone is a doctor, doesn't mean everything they say is true. It matters on the consensus. There are doctors out there that believe the Earth is flat . It matters what most of the doctors are agreeing with. Not what these few random ones are saying. Keep up the good work doc. Everybody else, don't smoke cigarettes........ ever.
lol
Hey doc, serious question for you? How many courses in nutrition and exercise did you get in medical school?
@Rob-me8vp I'm not a doctor but a clinical dietitian instead, so I would say almost all of my schooling was nutrition.
The earth is flat is disproven by evidence.
But on what they debate even though there ate dofferent qualoty and controls of data both opinions are supported on statistics.
Actually what matters most is the most current evidence, which a lazy doctor may be separated from by many years.
I genuinely learned a lot of useful things from Dr Gundry from this debate, but unfortunately, none of it was about healthcare
quiet chuckle
He's a con man lol. What do you expect?
This gave a hardy chuckle😂
The fact that Dr. Mike and Dr. Belardo were so respectful, because personally me, I literally would have not been able to control myself at this clear just confidence in misinformation, lol 😂