Bathroom Renovation #5 - Piping Up & Plumbing Tips
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- Опубликовано: 27 фев 2019
- Sponsored by Abacus bathrooms, Episode #5 of our bathroom renovation series. Over the course of this video series, we will show you how to renovate a bathroom from start to finish.
Roger gets to flex his plumbing muscles in this fifth instalment of our how to install a bathroom series.
www.abacus-bathrooms.co.uk
Tools and materials used in this video series:
Abacus Elements Ultimate Construction Board - bit.ly/2MepRo5
Abacus Emotion Round Shower Head - bit.ly/2zk6mTu
Abacus Fix-MD Sealing & Mounting Adhesive - bit.ly/2P0Fm1E
Abacus Infinity Single Fall Tray - bit.ly/2TyOooS
Abacus No More Leaks Bath & Shower Sealing Kits - bit.ly/2OZ2fCn
Abacus Pro-Seal Tape Sealing Compound - bit.ly/2OXvRA9
Abacus Temptation Chrome Wall Arm - bit.ly/2AaPvSt
Abacus Temptation Thermostatic Shower Mixer - bit.ly/2OWXVm3
Abacus X Series Designer Glass to Wall Support Arm - bit.ly/2zkx0vx
Abacus X Series Glass Panel - bit.ly/2PK0Nrt
Fein MultiMaster - bit.ly/2vvZpMW
Hansgrohe iBox Universal - bit.ly/2FJlDTc
Hultafors HBX Saw Blade - bit.ly/2MhKtf7
Imex LX3DG Line Laser Level - bit.ly/2qXpf9Z
KEAH Pipe Chamfer Tool - bit.ly/2TT8Lwy
Makita DJR188 18v Recip Saw - bit.ly/2DKeNKl
Milwaukee M12 BDDX Sub Compact Drill - bit.ly/2MzA0ss
Milwaukee RED STICK - bit.ly/2vybKQW
Monument 2600K Copper Pipe Bender 15mm & 22mm - bit.ly/2AbfcCF
Tacklife AHS02C Diamond Coated Core Hole Drill Bit Set - amzn.to/2KmuYiB
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Roger thank you for the time and effort you have put into creating great content. As a kitchen designer and now designing bathrooms, your videos have been a great help.
This little ruclips.net/user/postUgkxVoi3B4CB6Oygq1-vo4OTL1M_M5JkrXif tub works perfect in our 6 x 6 shower and is easy to get in and out. Also easy to drain.
An outstanding series, giving highly detailed demonstrations of modern plumbing installation practice, together with exemplary presentation. A real gem.
You’re 💯 percent top man Roger. Thank you for sharing all this priceless knowledge.
Great respect to you Roger, an obvious legend of the game!
Smashed it again Roger! Recently bought a house and in the process of renovating. Picked up so many tips from all the videos I’ve watched so far. Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing!
Damn fine information. Solid advice. Excellent delivery and presentation.....
Another great video. Really enjoying watching this job as it comes along. Top workmanship. 👍
Roger Bisby a complete joy to watch and to learn.
The tea comment made me smile, I always say I need it on a drip line straight into my arm, won't leave for work without one. In winter I can have up to 10 a day with 2 Yorkshire teabags in each ☕
Roger, you are top man. Your content is informative, educational and empowering. You make it look easy and for me, make me feel I can go it a go. But above all, you (and Robin) inject a ton of personality into the content you create, and for that I thank you. Here’s to more!
Thank yo Mud, that is very nice of you to say so. We are keen to bring more content out but it is hard to find the time.
@@SkillBuilder I also really enjoy your videos!... always enjoyable to watch and informative.. I was wandering whether the tails used for the shower valve were tapered and how you fixed them?.. it looks like glue?
Have to admit you not only a proper tradesman doing things right you also seem like an absolute 100% Stella guy spent the whole day watching all ya vids, keep up the good work
100% Brilliant Roger!
Your 100% is as good as their 2000% Roger. Total Legend.
New to your channel and absolutely love it! Your qaulity of workmanship is superb. A joy to watch!
Hi Stephen
Thank you and welcome to the channel. We have lots of videos now and more to come.
Love it!
Great job !
yay next part!
Really enjoyed that thanks, and must admit I have quite a few of those pencils 😂👍
All that precision, and It all rides on a blunt screwfix pencil😂. Love these vids
Richard Frisby Maybe it was an Argos pencil 😝
great stuff
Well done with the laser.I also try to get it on the grout line or center of the tiles
100% agree with how you work Roger ( and top tip regarding PTFE on olives, I’ve tried a few times doing compression fittings without it and a fair few had a slight weep 😕 )
Don’t know where you are based but would love if you could do our bathroom when it’s due for replacement - next few years.
U r proud of the country
👍👍👍👍👍
I like the wording u use like dancing around with laser beam 😁😁😁
Roger, once again an other fantastic video thank you very much for taking the time to show us and share your skills
Nice videos as usual, you should do a video of safety equipment you have on site. Thanks
Cool, I'm not the only one who puts PTFE round the olive. 😊
Loctite 577 is brilliant on this kind of situation too 👍🤓👍🍰
Here it is, been waiting :) you aren't half stretching out this job ;) you're on day rate? Haha!! Great video as always.
PTFE = Plumbers Tape For Everything 👍😎
100% Absolutely agree here
“And some” 😂😂 110% agree
Was shouting at you Rodg...its in the wrong hole!!! 😂😂😂😂 Great vlogs, informative often humorous but always clear and patient. Great stuff 👍
sorry mate I couldn't hear you.
More of the little hand man please.
Great video Roger yet again. That 100% thing, definitely agree with you. If you have one cake, you can eat 25%, 50% or 100%, you cannot eat more than 100% of the cake, cos there aint none after that.
I’m no plumber, scares the beJesus out of me. This though is just perfect. Experience, charisma, self deprecation and old school charm. Well done Sir.
Hi, great videos by the way!!
What are the make of the 90 degree compression fittings you are using with you mentioned with the alternative liners? I can only find JG make but they are without the compression end.. thanks mark
Every compression joint I fit has PTFE tape. PTFE is cheap, leaks ain't. Like the tip about roughing up threads. Good job.
I like your little story's you should do a video just on them
Glad I discovered your videos Roger, great work and tips. Just a question about the sink frames from Abacus, do they supply the plywood facings?
Yes it is 1 inch plywood in the basin frames so you can hang a basin with no trouble.
:-) :-) My old Dad used to work for the Water board late 50's doing just what you started on .... laying the lead mains up through Wargrave where we lived. He also took on the job as 'Night-Watchman' (remember those?) as we only lived two minutes away .... seems like a lifetime ago now (and of course - it was :-)
Yes we had to join and test the lead and bury it before the local thieves saw it.
Top job Roger me old love …. the burring of the threads method is a good one, it is actually manufactured/formed by some companies these days … you should have patented it mate !?!
Hi Roger, having seen your video, I need help/ advise with My Abacus taps in my shower. I have lost hot water supply on the hot option. What do you suggest I should do to resolve this.I had the bathroom done during COVID period and I was not around much to see the installation. I have noticed imperfections as well. I noticed on your video the tap extensions to fit the tap heads. My builders gave fitted them wrong way, and used a different connectors. Are the correct extension available? Many thanks if you could guide me please. By the way this I the best videos ever seen, detailed and simply explained and lots of great ideas on how a skilled builder does the job, keep it up if you are still in the business.👍🏼
Loctite55 fabulous!
You should definitely have your own tv show 😂
I had one years ago. That phase in my life is over.
Roger, please tell where you get those adjustable Angle Brackets at 11m17s? Post a link so I can use it
Thanks for this.
I literally snapped two male irons trying to secure a leaky valve.
What that sticky ptfe tape there? I tried your link but to no avail
Hello Roger, I am really enjoying your vids, but I got one comment on this one. I dont see you mention the aligning of the laser. When using the laser like this, remember that you are now working in three dimensions. The laser has to stand dead center of the reference object otherwise the object behind will get offset as the laser line travels in a straight line from the laser thru the closest object and then lands somwhere behind depending on the distance. Example: the laser is standing 1m from the closest object but 5cm offset the centerline. The laser will hit center on the first object. But if the point of interest where you are mounting/marking the second point is 10cm behind, you will miss the center by a whole 5mm!
Here everything is brazed most of the time. Plumbers are always lugging round heavy gas cylinders on a trolley. What's the difference between brazing and soldering Roger? Cheers
Hi mate could you film the bathroom getting tiled? Enjoying watching your videos!
It has been filmed. The job was finished a while ago. Watch the timelapse and you see the whole job in two minutes.
Hi Roger
Can you please tell me or show me how to renew the cartridge on a Grohe Avensys thermostatic integrated mixing valve 34224.
I couldn’t see at done on this app.
Thanks mate
hi Roger enjoying watching doing the pluming work but I think you should get a couple of spanners from Tool station ref 23418 . I lent my brother a couple 8 months ago for 2 weeks and still not got back so I have just ordered 2 more as it is his birthday next week so he can keep the 2 he as not returned . They are fantastic for compression fittings .
I have them. I just hide them. Have a look at the video on fitting isolating valves and you will see me giving them the big up.
Can I use loctite 577 on shower connections metal to metal threads?
To make sure everything is right because I always count tiles 😂😂
Hey Roger. Will the Pipes stay like this in the back or will they be mounted to the studwork? Wont they make noises or move if you open a valve because of the pressure change?
Awesome Video as always ^^
I put a few clips in just to stop them banging about and they are fine.
Roger, what’s your thoughts on the longevity of pushfit connections? My fear of putting them in inaccessible areas is the fact over time I’d reckon the epdm rubber o-rings could dry out/degrade. So in 10-15yrs they could suddenly fail. Am I being overly cautious? I know they are easier/quicker to install, but I’m thinking long term with it being my own property. Cheers.
Donna agree totally
These little rubber seals will dry and leak imo and all these new build houses that are going up by the 100s of thousands all have push fits behind walls and under chipboard floors etc and I’m wondering in 10 or 20 or 30 years time are they gonna be failing with a huge messy job of finding the leak buried in walls and under floors
Saying that john guest speed fit has apparently recently changed there guarantee on these push fits from 25 to 50 years
But I’ve live in a 80 year old house that was all soldered copper and still leak free, I’ll be surprised if these new builds are all leak free in 80 years
11:45 + 14:00 You can see Roger's a man of utter integrity when it comes to work ethic and quality. Something you see lacking in today's youth and my peer group. A lot of people wouldn't admit to any error let alone put it into an educational video. Not afraid to show the inner workings of a process, where some people pin you against the wall when you ask what went into a job. (mechanics I'm pointing at you hahaa .. joking)
Hi Roger!
Hello BN
In a brick house different materials are used than in dry
one.
With how good that abacus set up is and Rogers stud work that deserved a copper install back there. Would have complimented what has been an amazing looking build so far. I’m fitting push fit fittings on a daily basis (not by choice) and you just can’t trust them pressure tested or not. Even the manufacturers admit they have a fail percentage out of a set number of fittings.
I have a lot of conversations with John Guest and the failures are usually faults with installations. The manufacturing process is very consistent so the chances of a failure are very low. I know quite a number of plumbers who don't use the liners and that causes problems.
Hi, Was just wondering what size CLS you have used on this build is it 4x2?
Yes it was the 4x2 equivalent. The studs are very tall so they were braced in places.
Before u retire mate ...not that I'm calling u old I fink u should go into teaching apprentices at college to pass on ur wisdom. Good plumber here that's for sure
I did a bit of that back in the day. I did two years teacher training. It was meant to be something to fall back on if I could no longer work. Now i am past retirement age and I figure the best reach is through RUclips
@@SkillBuilder fair play to you mate ... I'm a fairly new plumber in Ur eyes (12 years on site) and only just beginning to fink of myself as time served ...big difference to just being qualified. Always learning sumat new every day! Remember reading Ur Rogers rant in the merchants magazines as an apprentice. Before the days of RUclips ... How the days change ...god I'm getting old
@@phillipbull3673 Ah the old Roger's rant I remember that. When I started working for myself I thought 'I'll give it a year and see how it goes' and 35 years later I am still thinking the same thing, Just another year.
@@SkillBuilder I think it's a shame that you don't have your own tv show!!! You're a great presenter!
I have done quite a lot of television and radio back in the day but I am a bit too old and wrinkly for the modern HD televisions.
PTFE tape. Plumber's Tape For Everything.
Roger,
Have u tried oatbran porridge as a breakfast option?.
Mix with some dried fruit/ walnuts & almonds /desiccated coconut.
Use water - not milk. See if it helps reduce yr cholesterol.
Twig Mine as 8.2 last time it as checked 😲
Please could you help, we a getting an electric current when touching the shower bar? Could you suggest what may be the fault?
Something in the house is grounding to earth by the sounds of it
I’m at this stage with my project at the moment... what manifolds did you use? And where can I get them?
Rubberduck Bathrooms Abacus manifolds
@@SkillBuilder Roger, please tell where you get those adjustable Angle Brackets at 11m17s? Post a link so I can use it
I’ll be honest I hate using compression fittings inside walls personal preference I guess... I only use soldered copper to irons. Only time I would ever use ptfe is for the temporary capping like you did.
If you are using lasers for plumbing stuff up on areas that are set back and set forward then make sure it is 90 degree square to the wall..
Good comment Toby. That laser parallax could throw you. No choice with the compression fittings into the shower valve. I wish the just made the front plate twice as big to cover the connections and allow future access.
Hello Roger, I hope that the towel radiator behind you is from old bathroom :D
I took it out. Do you want to buy it?
@@SkillBuilder Sorry not buying scrap. You can keep it :)
where can u get those brackets? (the one you used for the shower valve backing plate? )
Rubber Duck Bathrooms.
@@SkillBuilder just had a look.... where to find it? Non under screws and fixings....
Just been ripping a shower out because pushfit joint had failed behind the tile..I disagree that these should be used anywhere other than places that are easily accessible. There just a rubber joint at the end of the day. Just like a tap washer. They'll fail eventually..
I agree. I know it saves time but rigid copper for me.
Yep, I've torn my entire bathroom out in a new build to redo the whole lot in copper, the only two push fit joints are to the rest of the plumbing and they're within the floor (downstairs ceiling) which is easy to get to.
Didn't Boss white used to be used to seat the sink on the pedestal?
No that was Plumber's Mate (Mait?) which people also mistakenly used to bed sink wastes in with. It was almost useless and always breaks down, giving people like me tons of work.
Have you ever tried using the right size spanners - it’s a lot quicker.
Yes I agree and have some good ones but I grab the tool that is closest. I am a fool to myself
Is that the same house that had the problem with the hot water from the Arga?
well spotted
I cannot afford the big brands. Can anyone including @skillbuilder tell me how well functioning swiss madison models are? (for in wall cistern toilets. )
that looks like a well-worn irega adjustable spanner.....
Hi Roger, I'm assuming that is your name from other comments :) How do I get in touch with you about any projects that need a knowledgeable person such as yourself as I have only met cowboys who have ruined my property?
We have an Ask Skill Builder address. skill-builder.uk/send
Why you never use pex tube plumbing?
I do. I use both depending on the job.
@@SkillBuilder you need to make a video of it something thanks
@@theetheeyog9878 It is the same method as the polybutelene, just less flexible .
0:30 Objections your honor! This is GB, not continental Europe!
Continental Europe certainly doesn't run their piping from the central manifold to each faucet because of hygienic reasons! You never want any water sitting in the pipe for longer than 72h. That's why at least Germany has regulations to loop piping, so that all contained water will be flushed through at all times. Even if you're not using the tub for a while. You could do that with U-shaped fittings. www.baulinks.de/webplugin/2013/i/0747-uponor1.jpg
3:35 what's wrong about hemp? Is it forbidden in GB? Only issue ever since Germans used it was aridification in gas piping. I'm confident hemp is much more hygiene than your plastic piping developing biofilms due to stagnating water.
This is not really on topic with the amazing work being done. But many moons ago I used to be a glazier, and being cut by glass was normal (normal as can be lol), this coupled with I would remove glass with no gloves or wrist protection ( H&E would not approve...obviously) but I lose dexterity and how the glass is behaving whilst being cut and removed.....anyway like I said being cut was part of everyday. Using fabric plasters, the plastic type, 3M tape (feels like paper) would ALWAYS fall off soon after especially with using solvent based cleaners....insulation tape would seem to get tighter and tighter when used, some gaffer (duct) tape would not be too sticky and would become a sludgy mess and/or fall off in the presence of solvents.....and for every tradey reading this needs a roll of ZINC OXIDE TAPE in the first aid box....whack a plaster on as normal, cover with zinc tape...smear a little super glue over lap and seams and it will be on your finger, arm, leg etc. All day...no matter the solvent, wet, cement, plaster, tile adhesive, you get the point. Removal is easily done with nasal trimming scissors...the curve prevents you cutting yourself.....I ALWAYS have 2 rolls on the van. I dont fo glazing anymore, but still have the odd nick here and there....but the tape and glue never fail, best £2.50 per roll ever spent...bomb proof. Sorry it's long winded but once you try it you'll understand how amazing it is. Hope this essay helps in anyway 👍
No metal insert on the plastic pipe with compression fittings? Hmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Also I didn’t think you could use brass ferrules on plastic as it would cut into the pipe. Though those are different looking compression fittings than the US
Best product of Screwfix?
Free pencils.
Give in to loctite 577!!
I use 577 on consealed showers all the time and more recently in rad rails #getbry
I will, I will, next video I will have it
@@SkillBuilder top man!
Crazy the amount of wall space you've lost there Roger...
Watch the previous video where I discuss this very point. My view is that in a reasonable size bathroom it is not an issue. Having a flat wall with all the pipes hidden and recessed storage in the pre wall is a much cleaner look. No cistern on show no soil pipe. That is what people want now.
@@SkillBuilder i agree the storage cubbie hole is a nice touch but it's just to mich loss in my opinion...all designed for the diy'er not the professional...just my opinion..love your vids roger
@@sidewodja I am happy enough to disagree but, as I said in the previous video "The space you lose is lost anyway. In the past I have boxed in soil pipes and then the cistern is on show and the whole thing looks a mess. People hate to see pipes. It is easy to sell them this system.
I don't accept the space is "lost". So it doesn't matter how much or how little space is in question.
@@stakkerhmnd As always you go deep into the subject and refresh the debate.
You are, of course, right that space and matter cannot be destroyed but we must not ignore the possibility of a black hole. Like most tradesmen I have worked in a few black holes in my time.
That top left-hand shower mixer pipe was never going to fit parallel, would have had to have fitted two 90's or else the pipe would have kinked 😂
That is what I did. The problem was the metal bracket on the left stopped me going straight in. I should have moved it down a bit but I got there.
120% 😂😂
just checked out that laser....£450 jeez!!
+ VAT !
@@gmurdock I get the vat back.
@4:40 When people say 110%, the 10% is the extra shit they don't have room for because they are already full of it.
toilet paper or kitchen roll, and masking/electrical/sellotape for cuts.. gaffa tape evil to pull off skin
Yeah you just go to 'man up' it is only a bit of pain.
@@SkillBuilder Not talking about pain of trying to rip it from skin... I had to use razor blades and solvent the last time I tried with duct tape... other types of tape much easier to remove...
I didn't think you were supposed to use metal compression fittings on plastic speedfit pipe?
Well clearly you are. Thats why they give an alternative sleeve!
Why not?
Yes you can. John Guest and all the other manufacturers approve it but they obviously don't promote it. I prefer them
That second fitting was 1st generation for plastic joint, 5 years ago. Use metal for compression and it does not crush.
@@scoobydo2 Yes!. Metal sleeves are good for compression.
Roger is Jason Stathom's father.
Should you not have retired by now ?
It depends who is in charge. If my wife can live on my pension then yes but she can't.
Statins for life. I've heard the same. And as you, I don't take this s%^&t.
Does anyone else share my opinion that Roger looks a little bit like Anthony Hopkins ?
Regarding cholesterol check out @zoeharcombe on Twitter, she knows what she is talking about.
will do thanks
Skill Builder I think she does a radio interview on the radio with John Gaunt, it’s well worth listening, even thou it’s about 15mins long. She rips into some of the myths about cholesterol & statins.
But surely a plumber makes more money than a brain surgeon 😂
Ha! that is probably true but I would still like to give it a go.
How can you use those Screwfix pencils!?! Awful little things. And BTW - 30+ years working in bars, restaurants, etc... electrical tape is also superb for not coming off. when your working in a wet environment!
Not good mate.
Rule N1
Compression fittings should never been use in anaccesable places.
Sometimes you have a choice but I avoid where at all possible
@@getbry7452
In this case you could easily avoid using compression fittings.
@@andriy-777 How do you avoid compression fittings if the shower connections are compression?
You have no choice.
@@SkillBuilder exactly
@@SkillBuilder you threaded in a threaded x compression adapter into the valve body (probable manufacturer supplied it). You can opt for an alternate adapter given the connection is suited with your piping material. Not saying you did a poor job but that's a violation in the States 👍
All those plastic pipes. What a mess
Well you'd have the same amount of pipes if you did it in copper surely.
@@gbwildlifeuk8269 Not if you put tees in the copper but that is a lot of joints with no access. All those pipes can be pulled out and replaced with no disruption. Not that they will burst or corrode.
gbwildlife uk doesn’t have to be in copper although it would be much neater. But a few levelled clips should be a minimum. I would class this as rough and thrown in
Plant based diet mate. Cholesterol only exists in animals, no animal products, no secondary cholesterol. Also diets run in families too.... Great videos by the way👍
Hacking the threads? Wtf. Completely unnecessary.