But handstand push ups also to some degree has carryover to weighted dips vs the other way around. I was able to dip 40kg 2 reps with alot of both wall assisted and freestanding hspu variations. But depends on whether it is the vertical or the diagonal hspu i find the vertical path hspu easier than the diagonal while also having greater carryover to dip weighted dip strength
Plus having stronger shoulders and triceps will carry over too, we have a technique/ movement efficiency carry over and strength/ hypertrophy carry over of same muscles
3:03 answered the question for me thanks 👍 Doing horizontal push/pull and vertical push/pull and wanted to figure out whether to go for a dip or hspu. Not what I wanted to hear ha, but probably what I needed to hear
Glad the video was able to help and it will be the best way to handle it but remember there is nothing stopping you in some way to incorporate all 3 especially if these exercises are ones you enjoy to do. It’s important to have fun with exercise to so make that a factor as well. Make sure to subscribe for more content like this and welcome to the channel
I don't agree that they are comparable. I'd put the dip as a horizontal push, same categoru as push-up. The HSPU is much harder and activates other muscles. E.g. for me I can do 5-6 HSPUs, while I can do 22+ dips. If they were comparable muscle-activation wise, I don't think that would be the case. I can do dips woth +25kg - I can't even do 1 pike PU with that kind of weight on. So: do both :) They fill different categories.
Hi Dan, from a vertical pushing pushing argument they are comparable, muscle wise they are closer to a push up sure but for people focusing on vertical or horizontal pushing/ pulling workouts that’s how they are done, think a dip you are pushing down vertical where a push up is obviously horizontal. You are right that you will get best results by doing both and they do fill slightly different roles, while both are vertical pressing one is more shoulder dominant and the other is more chest dominant and how you work that in to your program.
The questions is: Will I have a carryover from HSPU to Weighted dips? I refrain from doing weighted dips because of the sternum pain, but not only I do not wanna lose strength I wanna progress in the weighted dip without doing them. I will appreciate your explanation. Thanks for the content!
It’s hard to say, they are both vertical pushing but in different angles impacted different muscles , you would still gain from the stronger shoulders and triceps but the chest doesn’t get recruited as much and in the dip it’s a main driver. If you still wanted to improve in a chest dominated way are you able to do weighted push ups. This would have better carry over . Obviously the best way to i too easy the weighted dip is doing them but training the muscles is the next best way. The other issue is the way of strength increase is training the cns in that particular movement so getting as close as you can do it is the best you can do. Have you adjusted the way you do dips to see what triggers the pain, from widths to bars to doing them on rings, to accessing if it’s due to tight chest muscles
@@thefirmamentalist9922 cheers mate yes I’ve been using bands a lot, it doesn’t hurt but I can ‘feel’ something in my elbow so I’m to scared to push or pull at the moment. Slowly just watching my physique fade away 😅
@@biggiebiggie6430 haha I'm trying i only have dumbbells and it aggravates my elbow to hold a heavy weight in my left arm so I'm trying my best to work around this. 😊
Depends on what you're trying to work on. Handstands, if you want to develop better delts. Dips if you want bigger lower pecs. Other than that, they both use same muscles, in different moving patterns, just emphasizing one over another. Both are definitely an intermediate exercises.
@@LeeDowningKeat doh, I forgot to leave my after-thoughts once watching. Although, we seem to be on the same wave-length so far =) That's a good question, I will have to think on that. When you have a background in this, it's harder to think up questions that you tend to answer yourself lol or that could just be my asd/adhd too haha
Haven't commented here in a while. It just hurts too much watching this great content and not being able to work out. But i have an idea for this series: Nordic hamstring curls as the bodyweight version vs hamstring curls with a dumbbell between your feet. Btw, as soon as i recovered I'll have to decide for one of them. Don't think that i am able to perform a single rep of the Nordic ones, so i think i might choose the dumbbell version at first, because the weight might be easier to dose than doing less work with my arms over time at the Nordic version.
I was thinking of that and Nordic curls when i did them at the gym were good, the hamstring activation would intense. The only issue i have it i dont have a way to do them at home and dont have any dumbbells either. The only hamstring curl i can do is with a gym ball.
@@LeeDowningKeat Aah okay. Well, my Nordic curl setup at home isn't the best, but it can be worth trying. I put some 20kg plates on my barbell on the ground. These plates are pretty big ones, just the size of plates that elevates my barbell to a height, so I can move my calves under. For counterweight reasons i had like the bar +70kgs i think and yeah then I just put some towels and a pillow under my shins/knees to be able to perform these curls quite comfortably and to prevent this setup from rolling, i just used some smaller plates. For sure it is not as comfortable as when someone holds your ankles, but for me it does the job. I agree that the hamstring activation is really intense and feels like increasing rep after rep.
I tryed doing dip on Thursday but struggling a bit.. Trying to get my strength back.. Chin-ups I'm doing OK with I'm just doing 1 rep 5 set's but it's with a 5 sec flex hold with 5-second negative.. And it's working well starting to get my strength back with the pulling exercises.. Good video bro.. 👍🙏
Yes i saw your videos and you are looking strong considering so my hat goes off to you working hard to get it back when many would just give up. You will soon get it back im sure
@@LeeDowningKeat thanks bro.. It's funny that the doctors in the hospital said I not be doing any training until new year.. Just proving them wrong. I'm not crazy I know not to push to hard and just going to enjoy the process.👍💪
@@wolfydragon4511 well in your video you are keeping an eye on heart rate and breathing so just go steady and do what you can and any trouble see your doc
I don’t think you can give an exact number on this. If you got really strong at the dip and got to the point of doing weighted the strength would obviously have some carry over but learning and getting efficient at the movement will still need some work. At lot of the time is just building the confidence in that position and learning the movement
This series is really helpful.
So glad you are enjoying them and if you have any comparisons you would like to see please let me know and if i can do them i will
@@LeeDowningKeat how about some lower body stuffs?
Just finished editing a leg one and will be up this sunday coming
Loving this series
So glad you are and more to come. Any comparisons you would like to see?
But handstand push ups also to some degree has carryover to weighted dips vs the other way around. I was able to dip 40kg 2 reps with alot of both wall assisted and freestanding hspu variations. But depends on whether it is the vertical or the diagonal hspu i find the vertical path hspu easier than the diagonal while also having greater carryover to dip weighted dip strength
Plus having stronger shoulders and triceps will carry over too, we have a technique/ movement efficiency carry over and strength/ hypertrophy carry over of same muscles
3:03 answered the question for me thanks 👍 Doing horizontal push/pull and vertical push/pull and wanted to figure out whether to go for a dip or hspu. Not what I wanted to hear ha, but probably what I needed to hear
Glad the video was able to help and it will be the best way to handle it but remember there is nothing stopping you in some way to incorporate all 3 especially if these exercises are ones you enjoy to do. It’s important to have fun with exercise to so make that a factor as well. Make sure to subscribe for more content like this and welcome to the channel
I don't agree that they are comparable. I'd put the dip as a horizontal push, same categoru as push-up.
The HSPU is much harder and activates other muscles. E.g. for me I can do 5-6 HSPUs, while I can do 22+ dips. If they were comparable muscle-activation wise, I don't think that would be the case. I can do dips woth +25kg - I can't even do 1 pike PU with that kind of weight on.
So: do both :) They fill different categories.
Hi Dan, from a vertical pushing pushing argument they are comparable, muscle wise they are closer to a push up sure but for people focusing on vertical or horizontal pushing/ pulling workouts that’s how they are done, think a dip you are pushing down vertical where a push up is obviously horizontal. You are right that you will get best results by doing both and they do fill slightly different roles, while both are vertical pressing one is more shoulder dominant and the other is more chest dominant and how you work that in to your program.
The questions is: Will I have a carryover from HSPU to Weighted dips?
I refrain from doing weighted dips because of the sternum pain, but not only I do not wanna lose strength I wanna progress in the weighted dip without doing them.
I will appreciate your explanation.
Thanks for the content!
It’s hard to say, they are both vertical pushing but in different angles impacted different muscles , you would still gain from the stronger shoulders and triceps but the chest doesn’t get recruited as much and in the dip it’s a main driver. If you still wanted to improve in a chest dominated way are you able to do weighted push ups. This would have better carry over . Obviously the best way to i too easy the weighted dip is doing them but training the muscles is the next best way. The other issue is the way of strength increase is training the cns in that particular movement so getting as close as you can do it is the best you can do. Have you adjusted the way you do dips to see what triggers the pain, from widths to bars to doing them on rings, to accessing if it’s due to tight chest muscles
With my elbow tendinitis I can only dream of doing either of these movements right now. 😅
Band assisted dips and pike push-ups/back bridge can be used as a progression/warmup.
@@thefirmamentalist9922 cheers mate yes I’ve been using bands a lot, it doesn’t hurt but I can ‘feel’ something in my elbow so I’m to scared to push or pull at the moment. Slowly just watching my physique fade away 😅
@@PeteOnPurpose do legs like a madman brother
@@biggiebiggie6430 haha I'm trying i only have dumbbells and it aggravates my elbow to hold a heavy weight in my left arm so I'm trying my best to work around this. 😊
Depends on what you're trying to work on. Handstands, if you want to develop better delts. Dips if you want bigger lower pecs. Other than that, they both use same muscles, in different moving patterns, just emphasizing one over another. Both are definitely an intermediate exercises.
Yes, there is a lot more that goes into which is better and understanding that. which comparison would you like to see
@@LeeDowningKeat doh, I forgot to leave my after-thoughts once watching. Although, we seem to be on the same wave-length so far =)
That's a good question, I will have to think on that. When you have a background in this, it's harder to think up questions that you tend to answer yourself lol or that could just be my asd/adhd too haha
Haven't commented here in a while. It just hurts too much watching this great content and not being able to work out.
But i have an idea for this series: Nordic hamstring curls as the bodyweight version vs hamstring curls with a dumbbell between your feet.
Btw, as soon as i recovered I'll have to decide for one of them. Don't think that i am able to perform a single rep of the Nordic ones, so i think i might choose the dumbbell version at first, because the weight might be easier to dose than doing less work with my arms over time at the Nordic version.
I was thinking of that and Nordic curls when i did them at the gym were good, the hamstring activation would intense. The only issue i have it i dont have a way to do them at home and dont have any dumbbells either. The only hamstring curl i can do is with a gym ball.
@@LeeDowningKeat Aah okay. Well, my Nordic curl setup at home isn't the best, but it can be worth trying. I put some 20kg plates on my barbell on the ground. These plates are pretty big ones, just the size of plates that elevates my barbell to a height, so I can move my calves under. For counterweight reasons i had like the bar +70kgs i think and yeah then I just put some towels and a pillow under my shins/knees to be able to perform these curls quite comfortably and to prevent this setup from rolling, i just used some smaller plates. For sure it is not as comfortable as when someone holds your ankles, but for me it does the job. I agree that the hamstring activation is really intense and feels like increasing rep after rep.
I tryed doing dip on Thursday but struggling a bit.. Trying to get my strength back.. Chin-ups I'm doing OK with I'm just doing 1 rep 5 set's
but it's with a 5 sec flex hold with 5-second negative.. And it's working well starting to get my strength back with the pulling exercises..
Good video bro.. 👍🙏
Yes i saw your videos and you are looking strong considering so my hat goes off to you working hard to get it back when many would just give up. You will soon get it back im sure
@@LeeDowningKeat thanks bro.. It's funny that the doctors in the hospital said I not be doing any training until new year.. Just proving them wrong. I'm not crazy I know not to push to hard and just going to enjoy the process.👍💪
@@wolfydragon4511 well in your video you are keeping an eye on heart rate and breathing so just go steady and do what you can and any trouble see your doc
How much weighted dips to get handstand push-ups
I don’t think you can give an exact number on this. If you got really strong at the dip and got to the point of doing weighted the strength would obviously have some carry over but learning and getting efficient at the movement will still need some work. At lot of the time is just building the confidence in that position and learning the movement