Burrow made 1 playoff run because Lamar was hurt😂😂It's clear he can't beat Lamar. Lamar plays that year they lose. Gotta get over a playoff run 3 years ago
@@stevenclark5173 lol Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson... all QBs who had good playoffs runs tht led to SB win yet aren't HOF QBs... Basically now tht you can't call him a RB anymore playoff record all you have to hang onto
@@tdup191”playoff record all you have to hang onto” yeah cause it’s important. Is the goal not to win a Superbowl?? People want to call him the 2nd best qb in the league. So he needs to perform like it in the playoffs.
Wildes is so freaking right about this 😂 even when Nick tried to say the same thing for jalen and purdy, Nick has NEVER put those two over Lamar Jackson. THATS why burrow isnt over Lamar. The same thing that they credit burrow for they dont look twice at purdy or hurts for
That's the main basis for Joe being in the conversation and should be. It's a results based business, do you get it done when you need to period, that's what Mahomes does, that's what Burrow did against him once and what Lamar has yet to do, no one cares about the mvps.
@@H3d3h1d1get what done he has no rings and as a losing record to Lamar to what have borrow got done your argument and logic make Lamar better what have borrow done, nothing he has the same amount of super bowl rings as Lamar 0
@@H3d3h1d1He hasnt beaten Mahomes in 2 years... I get Lamar needs to get it done, but both Burrow and Allen get the "you tried your best" treatment from media for losses that happened YEARS ago now, and dont get nearly as much flak, despite Lamar being on track for 3 league MVPs in 7 years.
Finally someone speaking with common sense and integrity. Nick Wright is still bitter and embarrassed on Rick Wildes calling him out for his constant discrediting and degrading of Lamar Jackson, a 2 time MVP. Also, for always looking for something negative to say about him. I've never heard Nick critize Patrick Mahomes for his turnovers and mediocre play at all this season. The Chiefs are winning games and Mahomes is not the best QB this year. Otherwise Nick would be shouting from the rooftop.
He actually didn’t make sense he said Lamar was better than Burrow cause his ability to escape the pocket but then say Burrow is even or better than Allen when Allen can escape from the pocket like Lamar
Don't get why people talk like Lamar's defense isn't atrocious and the worst passing defense in the league when they do these comparisons. The Ravens defense made Jameis Winston Offensive Player of the Week and has given Joe Burrow over 30% of his total yards and 38% of his TD's in just 2 games and he still went 0-2 vs Lamar and the Ravens.
The Bengals have given up as many PPG as ANY team in the AFC. Burrow lost because of bad coaching. The Ravens defense has been better overall than the Bengals. The Bengals are arguably a Top 3 worst defense in the league. I can just use the same stat you used right back at you. Lamar has thrown 8/24 TD passes against the Bengals (33%) & Lamar has an extremely competent coach. The Bengals lost against Baltimore specifically because of coaching. Both games were extremely competitive & came down to coaching decisions in the final moments.
@@acason4 The baltimore Ravens defense is 32nd in every passing statistic, bottom 5 in points allowed, and bottom 5 in turnovers and bottom 3 in sacks/pressures. Both of these defenses suck, and to use that as an excuse is absurd. You can argue the Ravens have a better run defense, except the Bengals shut Henry down this week so that doesn't even hold water.
@ I notice you keep trying to ONLY appeal to “passing” without acknowledging that Defense is multitude of run/pass & most importantly Points Allowed Per Game!!!! The Bengals are allowing 26.2 points per game, the Ravens are allowing 25.2 points per game. Those differences matter when the Bengals have 4 losses by a total of 10 points!
That's because there are way too many variables. Mahomes and Lamar both have hall of fame head coaches. The Bengals have a guy who should never, ever be a HC and if he were fired, would never be one again.
@@realngga0HOF coaches become such because of HOF players….its all relative. Andy didn’t get his true praise until he broke through with Mahomes. Harbaugh has been steady but what does he actually have as his calling card? Either way….its all relative
@ bruh andy reid had winning seasons all but like 2 years in kc before they even got pat manomes.. andy reid revived michael vicks career and had him playing some of his best ball too.. yall say anything…n stop trying to slight harbaugh like he didnt already win a sb and has his team and defense tough every year
@@realngga0Andy Reid became a legend by winning Super Bowls. He didn’t do that until he got Mahomes. Winning titles is a requirement to be elite as a coach.
@@andregriffin1203 yes it is. Lamar's whole career he's always been the guy where "you can't just look at the stats, you have to watch how he plays the game." Now, he is the same game breaking player and leads the league in the stats. It's over.
@@andregriffin1203 last years MVP was not based on stats. 15th in passing yards 11th in passing tds. It was based off of being the QB of the best team and having AMAZING performances against some of the leagues best teams. The MVP award is narrative based.
Why though? I don't get it. The top 4 qbs in the league have been the same for years now. Saying lamar is better than burrow after 2 now 3 mvps is not a controversial take
Sorry Wildes but one has been to a SB and one chokes. The top 10 in order are Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar,, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert, Goff, Baker, Purdy, Hurts, The rest are just various incarnations of Kirk Cousins.....Mr. Mediocrity.
@@AR-di3lwfunny how Lamar only been to ONE afc championship and ONLY when burrow was hurt…. Use the same argument then. Lamar been in the league longer two
And the crazy part is the same thing they praise burrow for making the Superbowl and losing is the same thing the criticize LeBron for making the finals and losing which people can't have it both ways.
@@shawnsmith4113nigga they praise joe burrow for making that sb with the worst oline in history and goin right back to the afc championship the year after and dam near goin back with another horrible oline.. yall seem to forget that tho.. how many times has lamar been in the playoffs and how many afc championship games has he been to or won?
@@rafaelisslaam1894They were in the afc division championship last year with less weapons if Lamar gets some real weapons it will help. Greg roman was holding him back. He didn't choke so stop hating. Joe burrow had one moment that was it
@nature-kv3xe Let’s put some context into that AFC game appearance. The Ravens had a bye in the first round to automatically make the divisional round. In that game they played the Texans with a rookie QB at home. That was Lamar’s only great playoff game. Before that game he had a negative TD to INT ratio. Then in the AFC game he had an absolutely terrible performance that culminated in him costing his team when he threw an INT into triple coverage.
Lamar is the best player in the league. It’s not been close over the last 2 years tbh. This is a refreshing take by Wildes - it’s time to echo this across the media waves
@@jetsettech8804 we can still leave mahomes on his own based on resume, but have you watched him this year. its been mediocre 90% of the time with a few amazing plays thrown in. I'm not saying he is bad or anything, he is still unbeleivable, but his production has been more like Kyler murray (not this year because kyler is balling, but older years of kyler where he was really up and down and more likely to make a great play than have a great game) than his own numbers from the past few years. I mean, he is barely over a 1:1 TD:INT ratio right now. he is not having a good season.
@6oweLA over and over? They played once man. I'm talking about this season. The season he has 12TDs and 9 INTs in. He has not been great. He is great, but he is not playing great. He makes a couple great plays a game.
Nick and Greg not understanding had me raging at the screen. Nick slipped up and caught himself when he brought up Brees. He was mentioning how Brady was on his own tier, then he was about to say Manning right below and realized he was wrong so he stopped talking. Just sad.
But in that example he isn't Peyton!!! God you Ravens fans are so blind Peyton was putting up elite passing stats Brady was winning this is Lamar's 1st elite passing year and he already has 2 MVP'S lol
@ okay he might not have been the best passer before this year, but his performance was equal to or greater than Mannings first 6 years or whatever it would be. Nobody mentioned “passing”, the conversation is about performance. Passing is a major part f that, but his passing was still above league average and it certainly wasn’t bad enough that he was a detriment to his team. You don’t develop touch and precision randomly. The combination of better receivers and his second year in a good offensive system designed for passing is why he looks elite at passing this year. The reason Lamar is Peyton is because the only knock on them is playoff success. If you want to say Manning was a far greater passer, he was also far more carless with the ball. Either way, they were both in the same position. Elite quarterbacks with MVPs, limited playoff success, and overshadowed by a GOAT level figure. I’m sorry if you don’t agree but there’s no point in arguing because none of this is strictly factual. If you want to put Burrow ahead or next to Lamar, that’s up to you and good for you. However, it’s not going to convince me unless you say something I haven’t heard before now. We can agree to disagree and move on.
@@dwilliams380 no its his first the year he had 36-6 he didn't even hit 4000 passing yards a lot of 2 and 3 yard td's 3100 yards that's less then 200 per game that's not elite I like lamar I think he is the best qb in football but acting like Joe is having a worst season because the team sucks is insane just look at the game Thursday lamar was pressured 1 time all game the Ravens had 40 pressures
Let's see what your dynamic QB will do in the play-offs. Probably 1 TD, 3 INTs and a passer rating of 60. The Ravens will never win a ring with Lamar Jackson as QB
Burrow currently has 2672 Yards, 24 Touchdowns, 4 INTs, 108.1 Passer rating and 123 rushing yards. Jackson currently has 2669 Yards, 24 Touchdowns, 2 INTs, 123.2 Passer rating and 538 rushing yards. They are not on the same level.
5:00 Brady was 1. Manning was 2. Everyone else was below. That’s why nick didn’t finish. Lamar is number 2 and that’s only because of the super bowls just like manning.
So nuance for Burrow but none for Lamar over the years. It’s the defense fault for Burrow, but it was always Lamar fault even though this is the first year he’s had any semblance of offensive weapons compared to those other qbs
Bringing up the bad Bengals defense in that comparison also does not work. The ravens defens is one of the worst pass defenses in the league right now. They have the 5th most points allowed in the league (Bengals 6th). They are 6th worst in yards allowed (Bengals 10th worst). So I think it is not a good point to say the bengals have a bad defense when comparing Bengals and Ravens, because the Ravens defense is just not better than the Bengals one, but Lamar finds ways to win games.
Even if you ignore the defense aspect, the first game they played this year in OT Lamar fumbles the snap and Bengals recover and then run the ball 3 times and miss a field goal. Then the Ravens get in field goal range and make the field goal. Is that honestly Lamar "finding a way to win games" and not just getting lucky there? Is that really him just being better than Burrow because his kicker makes it and Burrow's misses it after Lamar fumbled the game away? Feel like both games were so close that saying they are equals is not some crazy concept. One has had more regular season success and one has had more post season success.
@imply2662 you could argue burrow throwing the int in 4th quarter allowing the ravens to get them just the same. Its just not about a single play, it's about all plays over the season. And fact is, both have terrible defenses, one is 7:3 the other 4:6.
@@Gomorra1989 I'm not saying burrow didn't make any mistakes I'm saying the mistake in OT Lamar made with how OT rules work typically makes you lose games. While Burrow did have the big mistake on the int, they were still leading at that point and was not something you couldn't come back from as opposed to the Ravens having to rely on Bengals missing the fg which is unlikely for any team. Due to factors outside of both QB's control Lamar gets the ball back and then his kicker makes the kick while Bengals miss theirs. And that means Lamar is a tier above? I think they are the same tier of QB, you are just as likely to go to a SB with Burrow as your QB as you are with Lamar. It feels like the difference is when Lamar stumbles his team is normally there to help pick him up, while when burrow stumbles they just lose.
@@imply2662lamar made a mistake then burrow couldn’t get 10 yards to make it a easier kick since when is 50 yard fgs sure things? And it wasnt even lamar mistake the center messed up 2 snaps that game . Second burrow threw a int to even let ravens have chance so that fumble is irrelevant because burrow couldnt capitalize on it ravens did
@@imply2662i cant believe it you think lamars team is there to pick him up ? Have you seen joe burrows stats on the sb run? His defence carried him that year and now that his defence needs him to carry them he cant make that extra play to close games out.
Notice how they didn't say that Burrow only made it to the SB because Lamar was injured that year? Also, Lamar hasn't beaten Pittsburgh that often because the Ravens had already clinched the division and a playoff spot so the starters were on the bench the entire game... *_CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING_*
By their logic Lamar and Mahomes are on the same level. What's the 1 knock on Lamar? He hasn't beaten Mahomes. That's it. Its funny how Lamar can have a 6 -1 record vs Burrow and people will say Burrow is better. These geniuses say Burrow is on the same level. HOW?!🤔😒. If Lamar CAN'T be mentioned on Mahomes Level then Joe Burrow CAN'T be on Lamar's level.
Burrow at one point was 3-0 against mahomes. Did u think he was better? That’s his only knock? Are you fr? Did u not watch the afc championship game? He’s on the same level cause Lamar ain’t got no playoff success and the goal is to win a Superbowl.
Wildes makes a great point, nobody considers Jim Kelly an all-time great QB, and he went to 4 straight Super Bowls. It's all about winning the Super Bowl, not playing in one.
Lamar hasn’t even played in one. Lamar so better than burrow but can’t win when it matters. He’s a regular season hero. Every year we go through the same thing with Lamar.
3:40 its funny because Wildes says that about Burrow and the Greg Jones laughs like it does matter but when he talks about Jalen and someone says "he's been to a Super Bowl" Greg would be like "he didn't win it so he's not elite". If Burrow is elite then so is Jalen
If u took Lamar from the Ravens and replaced him with any other qb they wouldn't even be a .500 team right now. I'm a Diehard Ravens fan but prior to this year I would've never said that Lamar is the best overall qb in the NFL but that is absolutely the case right now. Lamar Jackson right now is the best quarterback and the best football player in the world! He's been damn near flawless this year throwing the football.
But when Lamar has to stay in the pocket he starts falling apart. If they came up with a rule that QBs couldn't scramble pass the line of scrimmage. Lamar would be a mediocre QB. It's because he can run and Derrick Henry that let's him pads his stats this year.
@ezekwu That's why he loses in the playoffs. When throw is his only option he doesn't do well at all. Just wait until he starts getting leg related injuries. Hes goin to start looking real mediocre.
Jalen Hurts. Brock Purdy. They also went and lost. But I hardly see or hear people have them up at the top because they went. Even though both performed better than Burrow in their Bowls.
I would actually feel bad for burrows if he didn’t have an opportunity to win at least 3 or 4 more even with that bad defense. Lamar is winning with a bad defense too
@@HollyG95 facts better be...that Burrow leaves. Are we getting closer or further away coach? I believe the rookie contract try to win a ring now idea is just too much pressure for these young men
@@s001til’Historically better organisation’ 😂😂. Yeah cause 20-25 year old history is deffo cosmically aiding Lamar win despite his bottom ranked defense. The only reason the Ravens rush defense is good is because teams are so able to gash them through the air they don’t use the rush. Cmon bro, ‘historically better’ smh like that has any bearing now.
You're the hypothetical GM of a team full of average NFL players and miraculously both Burrow and Lamar are available and want to play for you. You have just enough money for one..... you know you're picking Lamar because of the one of a kind playmaking abilities he brings to the field.
I’m trying to figure out what the obsession is with burrow? Nick reasoning is he’s made the sb. There plenty of QBs that have made the SB tho. That isn’t the end all be all.
@@craigshilo4137 but has a losing record. Sounds a lot like dak over the last couple of years but dak won 12 games. Oh and let me guess it’s his defense when the ravens defense is worse but Lamar finds a way to win
@davidstick9207 to be fair, Lamar did play in that one win against him, but that was the year the Ravens were in injury hell. RBs 1-3? Gone before week 1. Oline? Makeshift at times. Dline? On and off. Secondary? CB2 (Peters) gone before week 1, and they were using practice squad at times.
They show a graphic of Burrows stats and say only lamars been better.... thats the point. That's why Wilds has him on his own tier. Better stats then Burrow + Swept Burrow + beating winning teams + plethora of gotta have it moments. It's not hard to get. Mahomes is up there for winning. Burrow is up there for stats. Compared to Burrow, Lamar has wins & stats.... he separated himself.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8 What wins does Lamar have apart from his worthless MVPs? And don't say regular season wins unless you want to get laughed at.
@craigshilo4137 Burrow only has 2 loses bc he only made it 2 times. SB, AFCC, then not at all. Looks like regression. Last I checked he has 0 SB rings so his playoff wins are just as pointless. He had 2 good runs, where each year he had a trash game and got carried. Lamar doesn't have the luxury of winning a playoff game with 0 TDs or getting outplayed by a backup and saved by a defensive TD.
@@realngga0but that success stopped once other guys left the team and they didn’t win because of any offensive performance you never going to beat the cream of the crop when your in Lamar position prior to this year he literally has been the only weapon on offense for 8 years when teams sit down to prepare for Cincinnati they don’t even discuss Joe first
@@coreyjones1440 the only weapon? Ig mark andrews dont exist.. ig having a thousand yard rusher dam near every year doesn’t exist… yall say anything to move the goalpost
@coreyjones1440 this is the first year Lamar is not the leading rusher of his team. Like they exepct Lamar to be the entire offense. I'm telling you, coaching and other playmakers have been the biggest obstacles for Lamar. He gets better every year and makes it further every year. Thats not choking thats progress.
@@coreyjones1440 so mark andrews doesn’t exist huh? Havin the best rushing attack every year OUTSIDE of wat he does with his legs doesn’t exist? Yall say anything
5:38 Brou you had the audacity to name receivers like Burrows receiving core didn’t outmatch Lamar’s every time!! Lamar has never had a Higgins let alone a mf Jamar Chase!! Who had 264 in the last game! Yet Lamar still got the W!
Just be happy that we have multiple great QB's to enjoy. All of them have different traits that are unique and praise worthy. It all comes down to what parameter you're judging them by. Best passer..best dual threat..best at crushing souls.. Personally i judge it by SB wins but even that is subjective because it's a team effort to win a Championship. You're never going to find a concensus QB that everyone agrees with.
Nick uses the argument that Mahomes is better than Lamar in head to head because he beat him but now in this argument he’s saying that Lamar only beat the bengals defense and not Burrow himself 😂
1:58 that’s exactly how Everyone should have it! And that’s not to slight Burrow or Allen who are studs above the rest but I mean the other 2, one has 3 rings and 2 mvps, the other has 2 MVPs and on his way to another should he continue this current great play. The other 2 have a superbowl appearance between the 2 of them. You can say what you want about Lamar’s playoff record but that doesn’t take away from how brilliant he is as a QB. Yall are trying to put Burrow on his tier meanwhile he’s 6-1 vs Burrow! The last two games were great but Lamar got the W And Burrows 4-6 this season, Allen’s doing good this year but had TDs to Lamar’s 3 when they played each other!
Nick brought uo Jalen and Purdy like it would make his argument stronger lol hes always shitting on those 2 and never mentions them in a superbowl. Joe burrow is living off of his superbowl that was further back than both of theirs.
It’s only because he was only guy (other than Brady) in the afc to beat mahomes in the playoffs so he is holding that position till the end of time 😭😭😭 if wasn’t for that he would have agreed with Wildes
I STAND WITH WILDES FROM HERE ON OUT!!! WHY CANT THE OTHERS JUST KEEP IT REAL ITS NOT THAT DIFFICULT! MAHOMES AND JACKSON ARE MORE DYNAMIC WITH ACCOLADES TO SHOW BURROW AND ALLEN DO NOT. ID PERSONALLY TAKE ALLEN OVER BURROW BUT NEITHER ARE ON MAHOMES OR JACKSONS LEVEL
Only reason why folks still want to keep Joe Burrow in the conversation is because he made it to the Super Bowl, but guess what he lost! Stop it! Lamar Jackson owns Joe Burrow and the Bengals! 😤
@ ok stat boy who gives a sh*t, ain’t no one worried about stats for 2 of those season he didn’t play he was injured goofy🤦🏾♂️ you definitely a Lamar hater and must be a Cowboys fan🤣😂🤣 MV3🤣😂🤣😂
Lamar is the best player, everyone knew MJ was the best player in the NBA when he was losing in the playoffs...2 time MVP is the better player and stats don't lie. Put lamar on the Bengals and they wont miss a playoff
SO they doing highschool math. WIldes is right! What has Joe Burrow done consistently to be better Lamar? What has Josh Allen done to be better than Lamar? The constant Lamar disrespect is wild. Acting like the ravens defense isnt bad but Lamar still has them winning.
There's definitely an argument against Burrow there, but you may want to pump the breaks before declaring superiority over Josh Allen. If you gave Lamar an extra 1/3 of his career total TDs, he would still be 2 behind Allen. Despite having more rush attempts and yards, Allen has nearly double the rushing TDs on top of the 35 extra passing TDs. In the playoffs: Allen: 2.6 TD/game, 0.6 turnovers/game, 24+ points in 7/10 games,
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8 The Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen glazing is on another level. Neither has done ANYTHING in the play-offs. Mahomes and Burrow are the Top 2 QBs in the league.
Wildes spoke the word of god today!!!!! Lamar is hands down better than every qb other than patty . This burrow shit is gettin outta control Lamar cooks him everytime and 2mvps
If Joe was 6-1 vs. Lamar, wit 2 MVP's, they all would say he's better. All these analysts don't wanna say the top 2 QB's are black!!! Mad respect for Wildes! 💯💯💯
People forgot when Burrow went to that SB Lamar was injured. Remember Lamar played under that Greg Roman BS WILDCAT system for 5 years and Lamar never grew as a passer because of Greg Roman. If you watch Lamar in the last 2 years under OC Todd Monken he's showing the same passing skills that he had when he played at Louisville when he won the Heisman. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♀️
The Lamar hate is unreal... I noticed nobody can actually give me a logical reason why they don’t like Lamar Jackson 🎉😂. Its agenda towards that man nobody wants to admit it
We also just going to keep giving joe passes Nick sits there and keeps saying games were so close games were so close but NEVER mentioned they had double digit leads on Baltimore in the both games late and allowed them to come back without answering when needed even so much so everyone gave Zac Taylor mess in the first game for running the ball when it was burrow who audibles to the run they make every excuse in the book because he made a SB 1 time 3 years ago
Imagine the smoke everyone would have for Lamar if his team was barely in playoff contention. They'd blame the contract situation. They'd say his style can't win big games.
The whole playoff record debate is so lame. If a team loses in the playoffs or superbowl, that team was still eliminated period. No team get rings for having a good playoff record but no super bowl appearance and win the show for it.
Can't wait for the playoffs because if playoff Lamar shoes up I'm going to be glued to the TV watching these guys make all the excuses for Lamar. They love bringing up W-L record until they start taking about Lamar playoff record.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8 It's not even close who the better QB is.
Yes Burrow is so clearly tier 1. That tier is Mahomes Lamar Burrow and Allen. Idc how good Lamar is in the regular season, I’d take Burrow in the playoffs against him every time, Lamar turns into Josh Freeman come January.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8 You were saying?
Fr wildes should’ve bought up Lamar’s SB run.. or his run to the afc championship last year… Y’all love to brush it off cause Lamar ain’t got a postseason run to bring up
what does nick wright always do to lamar tho? oh but he can’t beat mahomes so he’s not better.. okay guess what. burrow can’t beat lamar so he’s not better lmao. wright just doesn’t like lamar and he acts like it’s not obvious lmao
@@bigchungus1848so have the cheifs and bills games and how’s that worked out for the bills in the postseason? After Lamar’s performance in the afc Championship game u think he’s scared of Lamar? Cmon man
Let's see...who's the better overall quarterback, Lamar or Joe? Burrow is a great pocket passer, but so is Lamar. Lamar is good at scrambling, and the only scrambling Burrow can do well is eggs. Joe is single-sided, while Lamar is a dual-threat, and all you need is a good defense to stop Burrow. (or even a bad one like the Ravens). The simplest determination of who's a decent quarterback is - how many games did they win?
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8 "The simplest determination of who's a decent quarterback is - how many games did they win?" - If that's your determination then it should be clear to see who the better QB is. Unless you decide to move the goalposts in Lamar's favor again.
Regardless of who's better Burrow or Lamar. Getting to a superbowl certainly matters if for no other reason them you won your conference. How quick we are to forget the conference championship, simply because the Superbowl is played two weeks later. Winning your conference is an achievement.
I will never understand the Lamar glazing. If he beats the Chiefs in the play-offs this year then I'll shut up. Until then, Joe Burrow is a better QB with better stats than him. And it's not even close. Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7 Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
Ya but he went bak to another afc championship the very next year and got hurt last szn so🤷🏽♂️ so far two healthy szn two deep poff runs with no oline
@@realngga0They were last in the division before he got hurt in both of those years. Granted the first year was his rookie season and still in rebuild mode so that one is forgivable, but to try to shrug off missing the playoffs when they most likely would’ve missed the playoffs last year is a bad take.
@@MarkFreeman5 he won 4 of his last 5 and beat the bills and niners before playing the ravens and was also winning that game before getting injured.. he was most definitely going to the playoffs yall niggas get on here and say anything without knowing
@@MarkFreeman5 he won 4 of his last 5 and beat the bills and niners on that run before gettin hurt against the ravens who he had the lead against also.. he was definitely going to the poffs yall get on here and say anything without knowing shit
What you REALLY need to know about Lamar is he quit on that team when they really needed him in the 2022-23 season for contract leverage. Anyone that selfish isn’t championship worthy.
Wildes is a breath of fresh air!!!!!
That's correct 💪🏿
I stopped watching this show because of N Wrong, but I had to watch this! So right!
@@rjc_888 you watch every ep
Real talk! He’s deadass
K-Dubb
Wildest is the realist on that panel..
And it’s not even close. He’s supposed to be the comedian, but he’s the realest here. Figure it out, FS1😂😂😂
Facts
Burrow made 1 playoff run because Lamar was hurt😂😂It's clear he can't beat Lamar. Lamar plays that year they lose. Gotta get over a playoff run 3 years ago
@@RUTHLESSambition52 bozo in less years
Joe has always had a number 1 and 2 wide out..lamar never had a number 1
Lamar jackson is the MOST disrespected 2x mvp in the history of the league and im happy wildes is coming with facts.
Well, maybe he should start winning when it counts.
play well in the playoffs and that wouldn't happen
@@stevenclark5173 lol Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Brad Johnson... all QBs who had good playoffs runs tht led to SB win yet aren't HOF QBs... Basically now tht you can't call him a RB anymore playoff record all you have to hang onto
@@tdup191”playoff record all you have to hang onto” yeah cause it’s important. Is the goal not to win a Superbowl?? People want to call him the 2nd best qb in the league. So he needs to perform like it in the playoffs.
@@ericcruz4967tell me you have a smooth brain without telling me you have a smooth brain.
You talking like you have airborne CTE
Wildes is so freaking right about this 😂 even when Nick tried to say the same thing for jalen and purdy, Nick has NEVER put those two over Lamar Jackson. THATS why burrow isnt over Lamar. The same thing that they credit burrow for they dont look twice at purdy or hurts for
Exactly and Jalen lost to Mahomes by 3 points in the Super Bowl
THANK YOU!
@@promotechs2540nick wright wants everybody to forget about the eagles superbowl appearance
how many AFC championship appearance Burrow back to back and one super bowl
@@curtiswebber1220 burrow has 0 Super bowls. And since that once appearance 3 or 4 years ago how many times have his team missed the playoffs?
Wildes had them all in their feelings.
lol he really did and it was hilarious
On GAWD bruh
The absolute disgusting part was did you see Brou?
With friends like these who need enemies.
The obsession with overrating Burrow is disgusting.
@@randumo24seriously
They’re always using Lamar can’t be Patrick argument but the same argument can’t be used against Joe burrow
exactly...
That's the main basis for Joe being in the conversation and should be. It's a results based business, do you get it done when you need to period, that's what Mahomes does, that's what Burrow did against him once and what Lamar has yet to do, no one cares about the mvps.
@@H3d3h1d1get what done he has no rings and as a losing record to Lamar to what have borrow got done your argument and logic make Lamar better what have borrow done, nothing he has the same amount of super bowl rings as Lamar 0
@@cornpopwasabaddudeandhehad4737 Exactly. Joe Burrowhead, is a loser. Period. Winners win.
@@H3d3h1d1He hasnt beaten Mahomes in 2 years...
I get Lamar needs to get it done, but both Burrow and Allen get the "you tried your best" treatment from media for losses that happened YEARS ago now, and dont get nearly as much flak, despite Lamar being on track for 3 league MVPs in 7 years.
Damn Wildes cookin
Finally someone speaking with common sense and integrity. Nick Wright is still bitter and embarrassed on Rick Wildes calling him out for his constant discrediting and degrading of Lamar Jackson, a 2 time MVP. Also, for always looking for something negative to say about him. I've never heard Nick critize Patrick Mahomes for his turnovers and mediocre play at all this season. The Chiefs are winning games and Mahomes is not the best QB this year. Otherwise Nick would be shouting from the rooftop.
He actually didn’t make sense he said Lamar was better than Burrow cause his ability to escape the pocket but then say Burrow is even or better than Allen when Allen can escape from the pocket like Lamar
Don't get why people talk like Lamar's defense isn't atrocious and the worst passing defense in the league when they do these comparisons. The Ravens defense made Jameis Winston Offensive Player of the Week and has given Joe Burrow over 30% of his total yards and 38% of his TD's in just 2 games and he still went 0-2 vs Lamar and the Ravens.
The Bengals have given up as many PPG as ANY team in the AFC. Burrow lost because of bad coaching. The Ravens defense has been better overall than the Bengals. The Bengals are arguably a Top 3 worst defense in the league.
I can just use the same stat you used right back at you. Lamar has thrown 8/24 TD passes against the Bengals (33%) & Lamar has an extremely competent coach. The Bengals lost against Baltimore specifically because of coaching. Both games were extremely competitive & came down to coaching decisions in the final moments.
@@acason4 The baltimore Ravens defense is 32nd in every passing statistic, bottom 5 in points allowed, and bottom 5 in turnovers and bottom 3 in sacks/pressures. Both of these defenses suck, and to use that as an excuse is absurd. You can argue the Ravens have a better run defense, except the Bengals shut Henry down this week so that doesn't even hold water.
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I notice you keep trying to ONLY appeal to “passing” without acknowledging that Defense is multitude of run/pass & most importantly Points Allowed Per Game!!!! The Bengals are allowing 26.2 points per game, the Ravens are allowing 25.2 points per game. Those differences matter when the Bengals have 4 losses by a total of 10 points!
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“That doesn’t hold water”… 🤣
Because of “one game”?? You can’t possibly be serious. 🤦🏼♂️
@@James-cp9uh
Late game COACHING is the biggest difference. Period.
They give Joe way too many passes. They called him a winner yet they have more losing seasons then winning and the trend is going downward
That's because there are way too many variables. Mahomes and Lamar both have hall of fame head coaches. The Bengals have a guy who should never, ever be a HC and if he were fired, would never be one again.
@@pahbertexactly real ones know joe burrow and chase has carried zach taylor these past few years..
@@realngga0HOF coaches become such because of HOF players….its all relative. Andy didn’t get his true praise until he broke through with Mahomes. Harbaugh has been steady but what does he actually have as his calling card? Either way….its all relative
@ bruh andy reid had winning seasons all but like 2 years in kc before they even got pat manomes.. andy reid revived michael vicks career and had him playing some of his best ball too.. yall say anything…n stop trying to slight harbaugh like he didnt already win a sb and has his team and defense tough every year
@@realngga0Andy Reid became a legend by winning Super Bowls. He didn’t do that until he got Mahomes. Winning titles is a requirement to be elite as a coach.
Nick while making his point. "Statistically only Lamar has been better" and that's the end of the argument.
No its not
@@andregriffin1203 yes it is. Lamar's whole career he's always been the guy where "you can't just look at the stats, you have to watch how he plays the game." Now, he is the same game breaking player and leads the league in the stats. It's over.
@@FlowSwitchMusic he got 2 mvps so it's been both for him
@@andregriffin1203 last years MVP was not based on stats. 15th in passing yards 11th in passing tds. It was based off of being the QB of the best team and having AMAZING performances against some of the leagues best teams. The MVP award is narrative based.
😂😂😂😂 4th mvp brewing
It’s hilarious how terrified they all look that someone is actually saying it
Why though? I don't get it. The top 4 qbs in the league have been the same for years now. Saying lamar is better than burrow after 2 now 3 mvps is not a controversial take
@@noirmanoir1061it must be controversial because Nick is slamming his hands on the table and Jennings looks bewildered
@@thedonmega91 facts
It’s a taboo to give Lamar his flowers 🌺 😮😅
Sorry Wildes but one has been to a SB and one chokes. The top 10 in order are Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar,, Daniels, Stroud, Herbert, Goff, Baker, Purdy, Hurts, The rest are just various incarnations of Kirk Cousins.....Mr. Mediocrity.
They forgot Joe only made it because Lamar was injured
The bengals would of made the playoffs if Lamar was injured or not
@@513hook513no clearly they wouldn’t. you murder forget they don’t seem to beat the ravens
@@AR-di3lwLamar shits his pants in the playoffs so idk bro
@@AR-di3lwfunny how Lamar only been to ONE afc championship and ONLY when burrow was hurt…. Use the same argument then. Lamar been in the league longer two
@@brandonnaegele6494 what accomplishments does borrow have outside of the superbowl run where he didn’t win?
Definitely a breath of fresh air and no d riding of 1 SB appearance 🤷🏾♂️
And the crazy part is the same thing they praise burrow for making the Superbowl and losing is the same thing the criticize LeBron for making the finals and losing which people can't have it both ways.
Facts
@@jayla-t4l oh kinda like dick riding off 2 mvps but ain't won shit either imagine that
@@shawnsmith4113nigga they praise joe burrow for making that sb with the worst oline in history and goin right back to the afc championship the year after and dam near goin back with another horrible oline.. yall seem to forget that tho.. how many times has lamar been in the playoffs and how many afc championship games has he been to or won?
N what has Lamar done except being good in regular season n choke in postseason?
Wildes been real 💯...Lamar is wayyy better than Joe Burrow...it's a No brainer
Is that why Lamar chokes in postseason n burrow actually elevates his play?
Way better ? Come on
@@rafaelisslaam1894They were in the afc division championship last year with less weapons if Lamar gets some real weapons it will help. Greg roman was holding him back. He didn't choke so stop hating. Joe burrow had one moment that was it
When you look at the H2H matchup Lamar clears bro.
@nature-kv3xe Let’s put some context into that AFC game appearance. The Ravens had a bye in the first round to automatically make the divisional round. In that game they played the Texans with a rookie QB at home. That was Lamar’s only great playoff game. Before that game he had a negative TD to INT ratio. Then in the AFC game he had an absolutely terrible performance that culminated in him costing his team when he threw an INT into triple coverage.
You know you fcked up when Wildes get started 😂
Lamar is the best player in the league. It’s not been close over the last 2 years tbh.
This is a refreshing take by Wildes - it’s time to echo this across the media waves
I guess we can leave mahomes out of it. That's fine.
Yes outside of mahomes as wildes said
@@jetsettech8804 we can still leave mahomes on his own based on resume, but have you watched him this year. its been mediocre 90% of the time with a few amazing plays thrown in. I'm not saying he is bad or anything, he is still unbeleivable, but his production has been more like Kyler murray (not this year because kyler is balling, but older years of kyler where he was really up and down and more likely to make a great play than have a great game) than his own numbers from the past few years. I mean, he is barely over a 1:1 TD:INT ratio right now. he is not having a good season.
@@tymonster183 Yeah and in that mediocre so called span
He continue to beat the ravens over and over and over
@6oweLA over and over? They played once man. I'm talking about this season. The season he has 12TDs and 9 INTs in. He has not been great. He is great, but he is not playing great. He makes a couple great plays a game.
Nick and Greg not understanding had me raging at the screen. Nick slipped up and caught himself when he brought up Brees. He was mentioning how Brady was on his own tier, then he was about to say Manning right below and realized he was wrong so he stopped talking. Just sad.
But in that example he isn't Peyton!!! God you Ravens fans are so blind Peyton was putting up elite passing stats Brady was winning this is Lamar's 1st elite passing year and he already has 2 MVP'S lol
Yeah cause he was dropping 50 TDs and is literally the greatest dual threat QB of all time. @andregriffin1203
@ okay he might not have been the best passer before this year, but his performance was equal to or greater than Mannings first 6 years or whatever it would be. Nobody mentioned “passing”, the conversation is about performance. Passing is a major part f that, but his passing was still above league average and it certainly wasn’t bad enough that he was a detriment to his team. You don’t develop touch and precision randomly. The combination of better receivers and his second year in a good offensive system designed for passing is why he looks elite at passing this year. The reason Lamar is Peyton is because the only knock on them is playoff success. If you want to say Manning was a far greater passer, he was also far more carless with the ball. Either way, they were both in the same position. Elite quarterbacks with MVPs, limited playoff success, and overshadowed by a GOAT level figure. I’m sorry if you don’t agree but there’s no point in arguing because none of this is strictly factual. If you want to put Burrow ahead or next to Lamar, that’s up to you and good for you. However, it’s not going to convince me unless you say something I haven’t heard before now. We can agree to disagree and move on.
@ this is also Lamar’s 2nd elite passing year, and 3rd great.
@@dwilliams380 no its his first the year he had 36-6 he didn't even hit 4000 passing yards a lot of 2 and 3 yard td's 3100 yards that's less then 200 per game that's not elite I like lamar I think he is the best qb in football but acting like Joe is having a worst season because the team sucks is insane just look at the game Thursday lamar was pressured 1 time all game the Ravens had 40 pressures
2 Point conversion says it alllllll!!!!! 1 QB is just more DYNAMIC!!! It’s about time someone is truly thinking like an Expert
one qb was penalized and it wasn't called and the other wasn't
Let's see what your dynamic QB will do in the play-offs. Probably 1 TD, 3 INTs and a passer rating of 60. The Ravens will never win a ring with Lamar Jackson as QB
@ Hahaha…. SAME THING THEY SAID ABOUT JORDAN AND NOW THERES A BUNCH OF BABY JORDANS HAAA
AND WHOSE THE BEST NOWWWWW
@@Nastynati0513 One QB makes the plays when it counts, the other throws interceptions, have fumbles….and gets sacked
@@tharealg.2728 your guy Lamar is one of the worst play-off performers in NFL history and you're proud of that? Fatherless behavior
Burrow currently has 2672 Yards, 24 Touchdowns, 4 INTs, 108.1 Passer rating and 123 rushing yards.
Jackson currently has 2669 Yards, 24 Touchdowns, 2 INTs, 123.2 Passer rating and 538 rushing yards.
They are not on the same level.
I all fairness as a Lamar guy that is close... Burrow is balling out but add Lamar's MVPs and All Pros and it puts him on another tier.
And it's not like the Ravens have mentionable defense. Still they win.
@@Nzaizzickthe passer rating is not close the rushing yards are not close and burrow still has the better offensive cast
It's close but put jamar chase on baltimore and tell these joe burrow fans to stfu
Exactly.
5:00 Brady was 1. Manning was 2. Everyone else was below. That’s why nick didn’t finish. Lamar is number 2 and that’s only because of the super bowls just like manning.
So nuance for Burrow but none for Lamar over the years. It’s the defense fault for Burrow, but it was always Lamar fault even though this is the first year he’s had any semblance of offensive weapons compared to those other qbs
Bringing up the bad Bengals defense in that comparison also does not work. The ravens defens is one of the worst pass defenses in the league right now. They have the 5th most points allowed in the league (Bengals 6th). They are 6th worst in yards allowed (Bengals 10th worst). So I think it is not a good point to say the bengals have a bad defense when comparing Bengals and Ravens, because the Ravens defense is just not better than the Bengals one, but Lamar finds ways to win games.
Even if you ignore the defense aspect, the first game they played this year in OT Lamar fumbles the snap and Bengals recover and then run the ball 3 times and miss a field goal. Then the Ravens get in field goal range and make the field goal. Is that honestly Lamar "finding a way to win games" and not just getting lucky there? Is that really him just being better than Burrow because his kicker makes it and Burrow's misses it after Lamar fumbled the game away? Feel like both games were so close that saying they are equals is not some crazy concept. One has had more regular season success and one has had more post season success.
@imply2662 you could argue burrow throwing the int in 4th quarter allowing the ravens to get them just the same.
Its just not about a single play, it's about all plays over the season. And fact is, both have terrible defenses, one is 7:3 the other 4:6.
@@Gomorra1989 I'm not saying burrow didn't make any mistakes I'm saying the mistake in OT Lamar made with how OT rules work typically makes you lose games. While Burrow did have the big mistake on the int, they were still leading at that point and was not something you couldn't come back from as opposed to the Ravens having to rely on Bengals missing the fg which is unlikely for any team. Due to factors outside of both QB's control Lamar gets the ball back and then his kicker makes the kick while Bengals miss theirs. And that means Lamar is a tier above? I think they are the same tier of QB, you are just as likely to go to a SB with Burrow as your QB as you are with Lamar. It feels like the difference is when Lamar stumbles his team is normally there to help pick him up, while when burrow stumbles they just lose.
@@imply2662lamar made a mistake then burrow couldn’t get 10 yards to make it a easier kick since when is 50 yard fgs sure things? And it wasnt even lamar mistake the center messed up 2 snaps that game . Second burrow threw a int to even let ravens have chance so that fumble is irrelevant because burrow couldnt capitalize on it ravens did
@@imply2662i cant believe it you think lamars team is there to pick him up ? Have you seen joe burrows stats on the sb run? His defence carried him that year and now that his defence needs him to carry them he cant make that extra play to close games out.
Let him cook !!!
Notice how they didn't say that Burrow only made it to the SB because Lamar was injured that year? Also, Lamar hasn't beaten Pittsburgh that often because the Ravens had already clinched the division and a playoff spot so the starters were on the bench the entire game... *_CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING_*
The last game they played Pittsburgh. The Ravens WRs had 7 drops.🤷🏿♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♀️
@@drb50033 that were different drive tds. Burrow had actually had receivers that catch and yac for him.
Bros acting like Lamar plays good enough in the playoffs to stop burrow from going to the Super Bowl lol. Lamar’s a playoff choker.
@@-JokerIsYourFather lamar took horrible teams to the playoffs, stupid...
@@ezekwuso having the number defense ever is a horrible team? Got it . Clown ass lil boy
By their logic Lamar and Mahomes are on the same level. What's the 1 knock on Lamar? He hasn't beaten Mahomes. That's it. Its funny how Lamar can have a 6 -1 record vs Burrow and people will say Burrow is better. These geniuses say Burrow is on the same level. HOW?!🤔😒. If Lamar CAN'T be mentioned on Mahomes Level then Joe Burrow CAN'T be on Lamar's level.
Burrow at one point was 3-0 against mahomes. Did u think he was better? That’s his only knock? Are you fr? Did u not watch the afc championship game?
He’s on the same level cause Lamar ain’t got no playoff success and the goal is to win a Superbowl.
@@ericcruz4967burrow has no Superbowl either
Wildes is cooking
Wildes makes a great point, nobody considers Jim Kelly an all-time great QB, and he went to 4 straight Super Bowls. It's all about winning the Super Bowl, not playing in one.
I'm sorry but Lamar is like James harden.
Lamar hasn’t even played in one. Lamar so better than burrow but can’t win when it matters. He’s a regular season hero. Every year we go through the same thing with Lamar.
@@Muzzlecrowe-li9kt you keep believing that 😂 only a matter of time Champ
@@PEZ1514that means burrow like Tobias Harris
@@YeaAiiteno it’s not, Lamar ain’t that guy like yall think. Burrow has always been better than him n will be.
Every time I see Greg Jennings on here he’s talking down on Lamar
Their paid puppets or actors
Wildes got them in their feelings, all because he got Lamar over Burrow
3:40 its funny because Wildes says that about Burrow and the Greg Jones laughs like it does matter but when he talks about Jalen and someone says "he's been to a Super Bowl" Greg would be like "he didn't win it so he's not elite". If Burrow is elite then so is Jalen
Hurts tush pushes for touchdowns Hurts can't be in this conversation
horrible comp
@@AshauntiFlowers How the hell is Burrow in this conversation and is a loser?
@williejohnson5172 Ima say it one more time the only active QB to beat Mahomes in the postseason that's how
@@williejohnson5172 if losing in the SB makes you a loser, than wtf is Lamar who never even made one?
If u took Lamar from the Ravens and replaced him with any other qb they wouldn't even be a .500 team right now. I'm a Diehard Ravens fan but prior to this year I would've never said that Lamar is the best overall qb in the NFL but that is absolutely the case right now. Lamar Jackson right now is the best quarterback and the best football player in the world! He's been damn near flawless this year throwing the football.
Lamar been the best qb, it's just that the scheme and talent around him got better...
But when Lamar has to stay in the pocket he starts falling apart. If they came up with a rule that QBs couldn't scramble pass the line of scrimmage. Lamar would be a mediocre QB. It's because he can run and Derrick Henry that let's him pads his stats this year.
@@lionelbulgin1739 horrible analysis...
@ezekwu
That's why he loses in the playoffs. When throw is his only option he doesn't do well at all. Just wait until he starts getting leg related injuries. Hes goin to start looking real mediocre.
@@lionelbulgin1739 why do you want lamar to get injured???
Lookkkkk how Nick Squirmssss the whole time haha 😂😂
Jared Goff went to a SB and lost too. Does that make him better than Burrow and Lamar?
Jalen Hurts.
Brock Purdy.
They also went and lost.
But I hardly see or hear people have them up at the top because they went. Even though both performed better than Burrow in their Bowls.
I would actually feel bad for burrows if he didn’t have an opportunity to win at least 3 or 4 more even with that bad defense. Lamar is winning with a bad defense too
@@HollyG95 facts better be...that Burrow leaves. Are we getting closer or further away coach?
I believe the rookie contract try to win a ring now idea is just too much pressure for these young men
I agree with you. But if you will have every year a guy like CJ or Jayden, it's not gonna help either...@@digitalsportsclipstv2018
Baltimore has number 1 rush defense. Cincy defense is doing nothing. Baltimore has a better coach and historically better organization.
@@s001til’Historically better organisation’ 😂😂. Yeah cause 20-25 year old history is deffo cosmically aiding Lamar win despite his bottom ranked defense. The only reason the Ravens rush defense is good is because teams are so able to gash them through the air they don’t use the rush. Cmon bro, ‘historically better’ smh like that has any bearing now.
@@s001tilthey have the number rush defense because teams realize they can just pass against them like the raiders
You're the hypothetical GM of a team full of average NFL players and miraculously both Burrow and Lamar are available and want to play for you. You have just enough money for one..... you know you're picking Lamar because of the one of a kind playmaking abilities he brings to the field.
No, I'm playing the clutch play-off performer instead of the one that shrinks in big moments
@@craigshilo4137 lol getting to one SB and losing doesnt make up a clutch playoffs performer especially when 1 of his playoffs wins he had 0 TDs
@@tdup191that’s 1 more sb than Lamar’s ever made. His closet shot was last year when he was in afc championship game and howd he do?
I’d take Lamar over anyone even Mahomes
Have fun playing your worst football in the playoffs and being let down year in and out
@kalebblazek4176 what did anything you typed have to do with his opinion and others?
@@kalebblazek4176 i thought football was a team game
You’re either 100% a ravens fan, or you don’t have a brain.
@@TheWagnasty I remember being told that the ravens were the best team last year?
Lamar is the best quarterback in football
more like the best RB in football who isn’t good enough to win in the playoffs lol
@@xbotLife you can’t say Rb anymore he had improved 😅😅
I’m trying to figure out what the obsession is with burrow?
Nick reasoning is he’s made the sb.
There plenty of QBs that have made the SB tho. That isn’t the end all be all.
Jaylen made the superbowl and purdy but he kills them and rates them less even though they have a better record
He has the most TDs and total yds this season. Only 4 INTs. 3rd best QBR in the league this season. You're just a hater.
And he made the SB the year Jackson was out. So that 1-6 record...that one win happened the year Jackson couldn't play. Context is everything.
@@craigshilo4137 but has a losing record. Sounds a lot like dak over the last couple of years but dak won 12 games. Oh and let me guess it’s his defense when the ravens defense is worse but Lamar finds a way to win
@davidstick9207 to be fair, Lamar did play in that one win against him, but that was the year the Ravens were in injury hell.
RBs 1-3? Gone before week 1.
Oline? Makeshift at times.
Dline? On and off.
Secondary? CB2 (Peters) gone before week 1, and they were using practice squad at times.
About time Wildes made the most logical argument and standing up for RIGHT
Lets go Wildes!
They show a graphic of Burrows stats and say only lamars been better.... thats the point. That's why Wilds has him on his own tier.
Better stats then Burrow + Swept Burrow + beating winning teams + plethora of gotta have it moments.
It's not hard to get.
Mahomes is up there for winning.
Burrow is up there for stats.
Compared to Burrow, Lamar has wins & stats.... he separated himself.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8
What wins does Lamar have apart from his worthless MVPs? And don't say regular season wins unless you want to get laughed at.
@craigshilo4137 Burrow only has 2 loses bc he only made it 2 times. SB, AFCC, then not at all. Looks like regression.
Last I checked he has 0 SB rings so his playoff wins are just as pointless. He had 2 good runs, where each year he had a trash game and got carried.
Lamar doesn't have the luxury of winning a playoff game with 0 TDs or getting outplayed by a backup and saved by a defensive TD.
Wildes has had enough of the Burrow hype
Wildes is the realest one on the show! Put Nick in his place!
He right. They say lamar gotta beat mahomes to be over him. Why joe get to lose but be on lamar level
Why is it hard to admit Lamar is better than burrow
Wildes went off on here 👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽
@4:19 Nick made Wildes point for him!!! That's the point Nick Lamar is Better Than Joe
I freaking love Wildes! Because he the only sports analyst I can tell still in-tune with reality, so he still thinks logical.
There is no argument for burrow being better or as good as Lamar
5-2 in the playoffs with the worst olines in the league - 2-4 in the playoffs with an 6-6 td int ratio and the best defenses year in and out.
@@realngga0but that success stopped once other guys left the team and they didn’t win because of any offensive performance you never going to beat the cream of the crop when your in Lamar position prior to this year he literally has been the only weapon on offense for 8 years when teams sit down to prepare for Cincinnati they don’t even discuss Joe first
@@coreyjones1440 the only weapon? Ig mark andrews dont exist.. ig having a thousand yard rusher dam near every year doesn’t exist… yall say anything to move the goalpost
@coreyjones1440 this is the first year Lamar is not the leading rusher of his team. Like they exepct Lamar to be the entire offense. I'm telling you, coaching and other playmakers have been the biggest obstacles for Lamar. He gets better every year and makes it further every year. Thats not choking thats progress.
@@coreyjones1440 so mark andrews doesn’t exist huh? Havin the best rushing attack every year OUTSIDE of wat he does with his legs doesn’t exist? Yall say anything
5:38 Brou you had the audacity to name receivers like Burrows receiving core didn’t outmatch Lamar’s every time!! Lamar has never had a Higgins let alone a mf Jamar Chase!! Who had 264 in the last game! Yet Lamar still got the W!
“They both have no rings” wildes made it simple
I agree, Burrow should play better defense
Just be happy that we have multiple great QB's to enjoy. All of them have different traits that are unique and praise worthy. It all comes down to what parameter you're judging them by. Best passer..best dual threat..best at crushing souls.. Personally i judge it by SB wins but even that is subjective because it's a team effort to win a Championship. You're never going to find a concensus QB that everyone agrees with.
Daniel jones with the giants is what Lamar have had as a team the last 7 years and dude won 2 MVPs stop it
exactly...
Wildes is the only one that makes the most sense
Nick uses the argument that Mahomes is better than Lamar in head to head because he beat him but now in this argument he’s saying that Lamar only beat the bengals defense and not Burrow himself 😂
Thanks Wildes!!!! They needed to hear this. Burrow is below Allen as well. He should be on the same tier as jalen hurts
Joe Burrow just has better wide receivers than Lamar Jackson
Wildes is right, Lamar has overtaken Joe Burrow as the #2 QB behind Mahomes💯
Wildes the man✊🏿
1:58 that’s exactly how Everyone should have it! And that’s not to slight Burrow or Allen who are studs above the rest but I mean the other 2, one has 3 rings and 2 mvps, the other has 2 MVPs and on his way to another should he continue this current great play. The other 2 have a superbowl appearance between the 2 of them. You can say what you want about Lamar’s playoff record but that doesn’t take away from how brilliant he is as a QB. Yall are trying to put Burrow on his tier meanwhile he’s 6-1 vs Burrow! The last two games were great but Lamar got the W And Burrows 4-6 this season, Allen’s doing good this year but had TDs to Lamar’s 3 when they played each other!
Nick brought uo Jalen and Purdy like it would make his argument stronger lol hes always shitting on those 2 and never mentions them in a superbowl.
Joe burrow is living off of his superbowl that was further back than both of theirs.
It’s only because he was only guy (other than Brady) in the afc to beat mahomes in the playoffs so he is holding that position till the end of time 😭😭😭 if wasn’t for that he would have agreed with Wildes
Raven's defense is not playing well either. Wilds has a point
I STAND WITH WILDES FROM HERE ON OUT!!! WHY CANT THE OTHERS JUST KEEP IT REAL ITS NOT THAT DIFFICULT! MAHOMES AND JACKSON ARE MORE DYNAMIC WITH ACCOLADES TO SHOW BURROW AND ALLEN DO NOT. ID PERSONALLY TAKE ALLEN OVER BURROW BUT NEITHER ARE ON MAHOMES OR JACKSONS LEVEL
“Statistically only Lamar has been better” …soooo…yea Lamar is better then? More wins and better stats? What else would put him on the same level?
Only reason why folks still want to keep Joe Burrow in the conversation is because he made it to the Super Bowl, but guess what he lost! Stop it! Lamar Jackson owns Joe Burrow and the Bengals! 😤
dudes a pumpkin in the playoffs, what's Lamar's playoff record again?
@ 🤣😂🤣 you must be a cowboys fan, don’t worry next year will be the one🤣😂
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
@ ok stat boy who gives a sh*t, ain’t no one worried about stats for 2 of those season he didn’t play he was injured goofy🤦🏾♂️ you definitely a Lamar hater and must be a Cowboys fan🤣😂🤣 MV3🤣😂🤣😂
@@natedogg8822🤣🤣completely changed the subject to not talk about Lamar’s playoff record
And Jalen hurts has been to super bowl and has never miss playoffs. Joe Burrow is going to miss his 3rd
Lamar is the best player, everyone knew MJ was the best player in the NBA when he was losing in the playoffs...2 time MVP is the better player and stats don't lie. Put lamar on the Bengals and they wont miss a playoff
SO they doing highschool math. WIldes is right! What has Joe Burrow done consistently to be better Lamar? What has Josh Allen done to be better than Lamar? The constant Lamar disrespect is wild. Acting like the ravens defense isnt bad but Lamar still has them winning.
There's definitely an argument against Burrow there, but you may want to pump the breaks before declaring superiority over Josh Allen.
If you gave Lamar an extra 1/3 of his career total TDs, he would still be 2 behind Allen. Despite having more rush attempts and yards, Allen has nearly double the rushing TDs on top of the 35 extra passing TDs.
In the playoffs:
Allen: 2.6 TD/game, 0.6 turnovers/game, 24+ points in 7/10 games,
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8
The Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen glazing is on another level. Neither has done ANYTHING in the play-offs. Mahomes and Burrow are the Top 2 QBs in the league.
I swear Nick make strawman arguments ALL THE TIME based on just cherry picked stats….wildes shows a body of work stats…..nick now objects lol
He hides His Black disdain well. Whitemen with Black wives are deeply racist. You can hear his disdain for Lamar but He tries to hide it
Wildes spoke the word of god today!!!!! Lamar is hands down better than every qb other than patty . This burrow shit is gettin outta control Lamar cooks him everytime and 2mvps
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8
If Joe was 6-1 vs. Lamar, wit 2 MVP's, they all would say he's better. All these analysts don't wanna say the top 2 QB's are black!!! Mad respect for Wildes! 💯💯💯
Don’t like the Steelers take because it’s games Lamar didn’t play in because it was last game of the season or because he was hurt
Greg: "need to have it plays and Joe Burrows not getting it done?"
Wildes: "idk Greg.. they're 4 & 6"...
Talk yo TALK WILDES!!🔥🔥🔥
People forgot when Burrow went to that SB Lamar was injured. Remember Lamar played under that Greg Roman BS WILDCAT system for 5 years and Lamar never grew as a passer because of Greg Roman. If you watch Lamar in the last 2 years under OC Todd Monken he's showing the same passing skills that he had when he played at Louisville when he won the Heisman. 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♀️
Exactly
The same passing skills that made him throw into triple coverage and had him missing mfs all over the field in the poffs against the chiefs
@@realngga0and where was burrow at that time? Home? Not in the playoffs. He’s never made the playoffs when Lamar is healthy
@@lornegreen6755 nigga lamar has never made the playoffs while joe was healthy… see how that work? Clown ass lil boy🤣🤣
@@lornegreen6755Well didn’t Lamar quit one year cause of contract? Just saying 😂
The Lamar hate is unreal... I noticed nobody can actually give me a logical reason why they don’t like Lamar Jackson 🎉😂. Its agenda towards that man nobody wants to admit it
We also just going to keep giving joe passes Nick sits there and keeps saying games were so close games were so close but NEVER mentioned they had double digit leads on Baltimore in the both games late and allowed them to come back without answering when needed even so much so everyone gave Zac Taylor mess in the first game for running the ball when it was burrow who audibles to the run they make every excuse in the book because he made a SB 1 time 3 years ago
Zac Taylor is an awful HC. The losses are rarely ever Burrow's fault. He and Chase have been carrying the Bengals this season
Imagine the smoke everyone would have for Lamar if his team was barely in playoff contention. They'd blame the contract situation. They'd say his style can't win big games.
lol they keep talking about bengals defense is trash, so what is the ravens defense for giving up 800 yards 9tds.
2 great QB's with horrendous defenses
Burrow is nothing without chase Higgins
Wat a clown ass comment 🤣🤣 higgins hasnt played most the szn and hes still got top 3 qb stats
sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you're an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt.
Higgins hasn’t played for half the season and The offense is still good without him
Brittle Bones Burrow loves losing to Lamar the Great. That's his specialty.
Lamar loser Jackson in the playoffs 😂
@@JoeD-gy7cxu mean a loser like Joe Burrow in the playoffs 🤔🤷🤦🤣🤣🤣that's all about to turn around......we'll see about that stay tuned 💪💯
@@kizzlejohnson2705 they’ll have an excuse for him he loses like they do every year for jizzle
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record and a passer rating of 93.8
@craigshilo4137
Lamar got Ravens in post season yearly. Joe has Bengals home most post seasons. None and Done.
The whole playoff record debate is so lame. If a team loses in the playoffs or superbowl, that team was still eliminated period. No team get rings for having a good playoff record but no super bowl appearance and win the show for it.
I’m a big wildes guy
Wildes is 100% right and Nick really needs to find another job. He sucks... WRONG ALL THE FREAKING TIME
Ooh now it’s not 1 on 1 when it comes to Burrow🤔
Can't wait for the playoffs because if playoff Lamar shoes up I'm going to be glued to the TV watching these guys make all the excuses for Lamar. They love bringing up W-L record until they start taking about Lamar playoff record.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
It's not even close who the better QB is.
Wildes is right i never hear cam newton is a super bowl qb
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
Yes Burrow is so clearly tier 1. That tier is Mahomes Lamar Burrow and Allen. Idc how good Lamar is in the regular season, I’d take Burrow in the playoffs against him every time, Lamar turns into Josh Freeman come January.
And burrowhead can't get there.
They always gotta bring up That one Super Bowl run lmaooo
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
You were saying?
Fr wildes should’ve bought up Lamar’s SB run.. or his run to the afc championship last year…
Y’all love to brush it off cause Lamar ain’t got a postseason run to bring up
Finally someone with some sense, who can actually see the truth
what does nick wright always do to lamar tho? oh but he can’t beat mahomes so he’s not better.. okay guess what. burrow can’t beat lamar so he’s not better lmao. wright just doesn’t like lamar and he acts like it’s not obvious lmao
Nick fears Lamar. All of the Chiefs and Ravens games came within 1 score or less.
@@bigchungus1848so have the cheifs and bills games and how’s that worked out for the bills in the postseason? After Lamar’s performance in the afc Championship game u think he’s scared of Lamar? Cmon man
Wildes is beasting right now, flame on brother flame away
Let's see...who's the better overall quarterback, Lamar or Joe?
Burrow is a great pocket passer, but so is Lamar.
Lamar is good at scrambling, and the only scrambling Burrow can do well is eggs.
Joe is single-sided, while Lamar is a dual-threat, and all you need is a good defense to stop Burrow.
(or even a bad one like the Ravens).
The simplest determination of who's a decent quarterback is - how many games did they win?
Lamar isnt a great pocket passer buddy thats y he cant win in the playoffs.. and thats the “determining factor” 5-2 vs 2-4 cut it out
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
"The simplest determination of who's a decent quarterback is - how many games did they win?" - If that's your determination then it should be clear to see who the better QB is. Unless you decide to move the goalposts in Lamar's favor again.
Regardless of who's better Burrow or Lamar.
Getting to a superbowl certainly matters if for no other reason them you won your conference. How quick we are to forget the conference championship, simply because the Superbowl is played two weeks later. Winning your conference is an achievement.
I will never understand the Lamar glazing. If he beats the Chiefs in the play-offs this year then I'll shut up. Until then, Joe Burrow is a better QB with better stats than him. And it's not even close.
Lamar has a 2-4 postseason record and a passer rating of 75.7
Joe has a 5-2 postseason record ( both losses by 3 points ) and a passer rating of 93.8
Lamar fans are the only ones who think it don’t matter or downplay it cause he ain’t been to a superbowl
Can newton was killed for losing in the Super Bowl. They act like Joe won though.
Ya but he went bak to another afc championship the very next year and got hurt last szn so🤷🏽♂️ so far two healthy szn two deep poff runs with no oline
@@realngga0They were last in the division before he got hurt in both of those years. Granted the first year was his rookie season and still in rebuild mode so that one is forgivable, but to try to shrug off missing the playoffs when they most likely would’ve missed the playoffs last year is a bad take.
@@MarkFreeman5 he won 4 of his last 5 and beat the bills and niners before playing the ravens and was also winning that game before getting injured.. he was most definitely going to the playoffs yall niggas get on here and say anything without knowing
@@MarkFreeman5 he won 4 of his last 5 and beat the bills and niners on that run before gettin hurt against the ravens who he had the lead against also.. he was definitely going to the poffs yall get on here and say anything without knowing shit
Speak the truth wildes
I rock wit KW for this one lol ✊🏾
What you REALLY need to know about Lamar is he quit on that team when they really needed him in the 2022-23 season for contract leverage. Anyone that selfish isn’t championship worthy.
The hate for Lamar by Brou and Greg baffles me
Their paid puppets or actors.
@@markreed4074 that explains it
Lamar is better....no brainer