VW ID Buzz Review: All HYPE or SUV Killer?
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- Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2022
- Rory reviews the hotly anticipated ID Buzz on real-world (very wet) UK roads. Is it all it's cracked up to be?
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Came in to check I wasn’t the only one who feels £57000 is an absurd starting price for this.
Glad to see I am not alone! 🤦🏻♂️
Seems to be no issue...read that the first two years of production are already sold out
@@josefv8708 Just because some people will pay absurd prices, doesn’t mean they aren’t absurd. Many car manufacturers are trying to normalise much higher prices rather than being them down.
As soon as he said starting price of 57k i stopped watching, sorry auto manufacturers but we need a dose of reality for normal folks who want to go electric...
I have just bought a low mileage, 3 year old diesel Passat for ca £15,000. Got a lot of motor for my money and getting 56 mpg, plus its performance is pretty good, and has a range of well over 700 miles. Comfortable car that rides and handles well. Not promoting the Passat, just saying that it is a long way from £15,000 to £57,000, and I cant help feeling the Passat when the chips are down is the much better vehicle in itself. And yes, even if wealthy I could not really justify spending that sort of money for an ID Buzz.
Amen! Almost all car prices are absurd. The average person is a fool to buy a new car at the average new prices. It’s even worse with all things electric.
It’s a strange car market now when ur going through the pros of the car and one of them is that it starts at £56k 😐
Yup. Doesn't shock anybody anymore
It's £65k for a decent spec or £70k fully loaded.
Just forget it.
Although people say the prices will come down as the tech matures, I think the manufacturers will hope we normalise these prices so that rather than prices coming down, their profit margin widens.
My thoughts exactly. Was telling a friend the other day, that the whole EV thing has become a cash grab for automakers. The prices are extortionate. And that's why ICE vehicles ain't going away anytime soon.
"And all for a starting price of £57,000"
Why is this line delivered like £57,000 isn't an absurd price for a minivan?
This is a product category that people are used to starting at something more like £25k-£30k. Even EVs like the Vauxhall Combo E-life is like £35k. A 'oh but it's stylish' markup of c. 50% of the competitor's value is one thing, but I don't know how many people care enough about style to pay 50% more, who wouldn't just get an SUV instead. It's competing with a fully specced out Skoda Enyaq, a decent spec Mach-E Mustang etc. at that price point and I just don't know how many people would consider that
The van version is £38k. Therefore you know what a rip off cars are when you're paying £27k more for rear seats and some extra plastic 😀
Went to a Toyota dealer with my parents and were asking 70k for a “brand new Toyota Sienna” and obviously we left 5 minutes later.
You just don’t live in reality mate a Ford tourne automatic 170ps is like 45k .
@@PiOfficial Completely different vehicle class. Tourneo custom is not a minivan. The ID Buzz has a 1100L boot in 5 seater trim. The Tourneo short wheelbase has a 1200L boot in a 9 seater van. 1700L in 5-seater trim. It's between 20-50cm longer, 30cm wider and 10cm taller.
The new electric e-Tourneo is only expected to cost in the £50k bracket and is maintaining that sort of size advantage
It’s just a five seater with a big boot. £57k? For this? Insane
The fact that the back windows don’t open is crazy 🤦🏻♂️ and also that the climate crontrols don’t iluminate 🫤.
Looks great though 👍🏼
In these days with air conditioning climate control, vents in the back it's not a big deal. It'll be noisy and ruin efficiency. I get the feeling less effort is out into this won't modern cars for this reason. My golf 7.5 (and my previous Leon) are both awful if you open back windows above about 40 causes a horrible resonance sound. That didn't happen in the Jettas, Passat's, Granada's, 5 series bmw of my youth
@@paultasker7788 I think there are no air conditioning vents in the back though...
I think that is pretty common in minivans.
@@paultasker7788 that sound on most cars funny enough is due the side view mirror design requirements to meet crash regulations and minimize aerodynamic drag.
Love how the elements never stop Rory, rain, snow or whatever landscape, bring it on😂
That's shorts weather out there
@@dieselscartalk4146 , right😂
My favorite bit is how the rain stopped when he moved to review the interior. :-)
No seriously, big respect. I already know Matt from carwow would reschedule…
Rory walks in the footsteps of Moses, nothing will hold him back , as he said " It’s biblical " 🌊
Whilst you didn't happen to mention it in this review, Rory - it's worth highlighting that, unbelievably in an MPV with a huge glass-house and purpose-built to carry multiple passengers, there are no rear-seat air vents...!
So, neither do the rear windows don't go down, nor are there rear vents... How on Earth are people in the back meant to stay cool on a hot summer's day...??? 😲
i have heard that there are vents under the front seats but i can’t confirm that
@Modern Classic Collectables They won’t be driving very long with a 200 mile real world range.
@@Banyan314 isn't the rebuttal of EV fans that they stop anyways after 2 hours of driving because it is so much more relaxing and safer?
@@etiennevandijk1141True, but my bladder has a considerable input into the duration of journeys these days. 😂
@@modernclassiccollectables7811 noone bought one yet and you are already jealous?
VW infotainment and controls system has been shocking in all their EVs. How it got passed to be incorporated in any of their vehicles defies belief. I would look for other manufactures who have ease of use built in to their design designs
Its not just the EVs. The new Golf R has garbage infotainment as well.
VW is losing it, frankly. The first Golfs were great and Passat has been popular for a long time but everything after 2010 is highly discutable and I wouldn't touch any of it.
Hugely over priced and “up to 250 miles of range” means - with lights & heaters on, or a load in the rear, around 120 on a good day I suspect.
Dont forget that you can pull trailer up to 1000kg as well🤣🤣🤣i wonder what millage will be ,up the hill with trailer,5 peoples inside , some stuff in the boot,aircon,radio lights, etc
The van version is £38k and the car is £65k. So the rear seats and some extra plastic costs £27k?? 😂
I looked into that.... Very hard to get the van for that price because everything that is useful is an "option" and every option costs a fortune!! Just see the price of alloy wheels just on their own!! Then 10 months+ waiting!! VW are clearly not ramping UP production.
hi! vw never wants you to buy one!
their 100k mile range alloy diesel engines with plastc oil pump sprockets make them fortune
...not much to brake dawn in electric.
I would say 40k or maybe 45k would be a more sensible price. It's fun, practical and funky rather than premium.
Well, over here at least cars are taxed harder than vans, so that explains it.
Yea.... They have to return those billions from the diesel gate.
Thank you for pointing out some major flaws. The rear windows not rolling down, the fabric material, the Vw Tech, no sunroof, and Range. Are major things... It's not quite ready yet.
no isofix in centre rear seat. no air con in back?
Not 7 seats yet and second row has not separate seats...
When closing the doors it sounds like an old VW Transporter...
My old Sharan beats Buzz anyday!
Recently saw these at the LA Auto Show, and was severely let down by materials, and now knowing the price it's even worse! The rear seat trays felt very flimsy, and the seat material itself would feel more at home in a base model Polo. Paired with the fixed rear windows (not even pop-outs???) and several other drawbacks, this vehicle that I want to want is a huge failure.
Maybe they just needed more time to develop it. I mean, it's only been in the works for, what, 20+ YEARS?????
- Ditch the white interior
- Increase interior quality to match asking price
- Ditch the infotainment system
- Ditch the touch sensitive stuff
- Add sunroof option
Perfect
Buzz box is removable because of course you might want to get in the back without going through the doors because it's a van. (I have a US T5 Eurovan with no center module. Very handy.)
Kyle did a real world test. Range miles 160+. I camp in my Ioniq 5 in the US and that has worked fine. As long as the camping site has power, I could make Buzz work, but would limit other camp sites.
Love the usability test near the end! VW - fix HMI! Physical buttons and simplify things to either be or be like Google's car interface.
The previous system in my golf 7.5 is quick, responsive, easy to use and just does the job it's meant to. Climate control is easy to use as well. AC on takes about 2 seconds. Sure it doesn't have fancy animations when you press stuff or look as cool. Kind of got the feeling this new system was more about how it worked stationary in a showroom than when driving the car. The touch haptic controls on steering wheel even worse. It was mocked by other manufacturers but like apple with removal of headphone jack other manufacturers are now copying this trend.
@@paultasker7788 I drive a Golf mk8 and the single most idiotic change is the introduction of the all touch user interface. The haptic buttons on the steering wheel aren't the worst to be honest, but real buttons would be better. The real issue is the entertainment system which has no real buttons for anything. Everything requires going into the screen. Even changing the temperature or the fan speed requires a tap and a swipe. Did you really need to save so much money in the interior VW? The mk7.5 really has the better dash.
touch screens are dangerously distracting too. There's a reason why it's against the traffic regs in the UK to program a satnav while on the move, or use a phone.
That was one of the best, most honest reviews I've seen on RUclips. Bravo!
Filming in the pouring rain, now that's dedication
Glad you kept it real for the review (as usual) all the other reviews have made out it's the best thing since sliced bread
Rory, when it comes to reviewing vehicles “Don’t stop. Don’t ever stop.”
I'm excited for when this car becomes sold as a campervan in the future!
Same here. 2025.
be cheaper buying a house
@@-V-K- UK house prices today's are sky high and so are used cars too though.
Yep, because there is always plenty of chargers when you go camping in the countryside!!! :)
@@RobG001 Charge up at the nearest charger, before you get to where you're camping.
These touchscreen electric cars should have programmable buttons, like a computer keyboard. You can assign the buttons to the exact function you want.
60k and the back windows don't open. ARE THEY HAVING A FU**ING JOKE?!
This is one of the best motoring reviewers I've seen. Great work. You've gained a subscriber from this 🙌🏽
No windows? No deal! Awesome no nonsense review Rory!
Starting at 57k... starting!!!
Jesus how are families supposed to afford this ? Because the family market is where this is aimed at
I don’t miss the charm of the British weather. Even though it has been a couple years since I moved from UK to Kenya I still love this show. Bought all my cars off Auto Trader back in the day. I appreciate the good reviews.
I was split between this and the polestar 2 for my company car. Having two young kids this was a good idea but with the range for work I just had to go for the Polestar.
Long wheelbase version is what I’m interested in as well as up rated power
Even with rubbish range, a really bad interior and for £60k?
As a current minivan owner, I can tell you, they are fantastic.
LWB will move only with AWD, and as such, would not have that tight turning circle...
@@brazzlerazzle3834 yeah it needs way more range and power at that price point.
Same
With a real range of less than 150 miles, it's just a pretty thing for running the kids to school, a real VW minbus has a 400 mile range and a practical interior. Can you imagine how many times you would have to stop to get round a trip to the Highlands?
I saw a highway range test done on this in Norway and the van was only able to go 159 miles driven at 70mph. That was with no cargo. For 56K you need to get more range than that. This van should cost 30K not 56K.
VW trying to cash in on nostalgia, even though they failed on the design to evoke such feelings.
Well, we negotiated and got the buzz for 32k €.
@@Kevin-bl6lg if you could actually get one of these for 32K, I would get one.
@@benjacobs2560 go get one. Though.....I have not yet heard back from the dealer after I placed the order....
255kms at 120km/h ? lol, my motorcycle has better range, and most importantly, can refuel in 2 minutes. This 'van' is supposed to be a family car. With such range, at most it could be a city car.
You might not have to replace the seats when they’re dirty. Perhaps just wash them.
Pfft! That's peasant talk! I suppose when your Bentley runs out of gas you just refill it instead of buying a new one?
EVs don't work for everyone yet, but they will for more and more people.
From an American perspective, I think VW really missed the mark for many, but, for those people who don't drive far/stick to their city/surrounding area, this could be great!
I'd imagine in Europe this would be great for many who are much closer/those who don't do regular 2-600 mile (total) day trips regularly.
I would want significantly more range and faster/more reliable charging (in the US) for this to be a main car, but i LOVE the design.
Minivans need to be cool again - they're so much more practical than SUVs
In europe we don't like to waste money either. My father owns a VW Caddy Maxi. It goes 1000km on a fuel tank, sits 7, fits more cargo, has a better engineered interior, and most importantly, costs half as much as this electric toy.
@@DerpEye VW lost the meaning of their brand name.
These might sell at £45k but not at £57k. The range needs to be greatly improved. (300-350 miles)
The elephant in the room is the price, for what is in effect a roomy 5 seater. What everyone is waiting for is the camper but that’s probably going to be upwards of £65-70k. I wonder how much it would be to convert one of the commercial versions?
The Buzz fully specced is £70k. Therefore the camper will be £80-£85k.
The Buzz in van form is £37k. A full conversation at someone like Autohaus is £15k.
I wish those of us in the U.S. were getting this van instead of the larger version. Thanks for the video.
Waiting for the bigger battery pack and LWB version to come out for North America. I am more or less sure this will be our next family hauler.
Another great review by Rory. "Give us knobs!" should be his tag line. I don't like the bonnet-cowl-windscreen transition and the double A pillars. Other than that, I'll put it on my "Consider" list if I ever have £60k for a car, mostly because my Dad owned a yellow and white Vanagon.
The bus box is removable to have the option to step into the back of the bus without going outside, for example if you sleep in the back and want access to the driver seat.
That and hauling long things like lumber easier.
It's a frikin' van!
It's over hyped because they are trying to play it on the card of the old 'Hippy Van' and for being electric.
Besides an unusual color style there is nothing special about it
Vans are great dude, but not this one
@@sports2hedz542 i agree. They are beyond practical. But this one is just an "iPhone on wheels".
Fancy, expensive and likely designed to break
1.5miles per kilowatt hour!? That is absolutely abominable
Great review and reviewer - thanks from USA
“if you have to replace it everytime it gets dirty”
I don’t know, you could clean it. Crazy idea.
Wow, really impressed with the presenter. Speaks clearly, just the right mix of proper and fun, and a real fighter - look at that rain in the beginning! The car? It looks all right I guess, not as charming as the original. But the lack of easily accessible controls (=buttons!) and the high price point are definitely deal breakers.
Great video!!!!
Why car companies insist on stupid screen controls for everything? Fan dial, temp dail, volume dail, light switches, window heater switch all work far better than scrolling through menus to find a slider or arrow on a screen!
Very good look at this unique EV, bonus points for doing it in such crappie conditions & not complaining about it. Thanks mate, cheers from Aus.
Volkswagen has a new CEO and he is a former head of Porsche. He has promised to sort out the horrible infotainment as well as put actual physical buttons back on the steering wheels, and physical hotkeys for critical controls, as well as sort out their recent quality control problems.
and put pull out door on the car version for gods sake, not everyone can live with closed windows.
If that happens (and when) then I would buy it. My favorite car design is the T1, but the buggy infotainment is a hard no for me.
Former Porsche boss is definitely not gonna sort out the extortionate costs of a supposed car for the people.
@@toyotaprius79 I don’t think you know how businessmen work. He clearly understands the target market and has promised to sort out VWs recent woes. Time will tell but Porsche have never been known for making substandard cars that people don’t buy.
As always, VW launches their new models too soon and first customers get an overpriced and sometimes even inferior product.
Good review Roy ! A glass roof, rear charging points, a darker interior trim option and the instrumentation sorting and its
a thumbs up. 🤔🤔
And vents in rear and rear windows that open in some fashion.
Your videos are excellent. Unfortunately, the Buzz is a disappointment. Ugly compared to the prototype. Poor range and poor performance for the price. VW is missing a big opportunity. I hope they get their act together. I was looking forward to this vehicle.
It's vw. They won't.
Sold out...
All for “just the starting price of £57,000” you can pull off the wheel trims, cos that’s exactly what I want when paying that much for a car
Insanely expensive. Also most families I know with a people carrier have one because they need 7 seats. This is only 5, so unless you really need a larger boot, there are much cheaper better alternatives.
WE WANT KNOBS! WE WANT KNOBS! Oh wait 😂
But on a serious note. 2007 Ford Focus. I reach out flick a dial and the fans blow and the aircon is on. Less than 1 second and the eyes don’t even stop looking at the road. This was peak car design and it’s been going down hill ever since.
Yes, give us knobs! I hate having to look at a screen (instead of, y'know, the road).
An American perspective: Love this car, the styling and even the color. This vehicle would be perfect for me since I have two large dogs (no kids). The two reasons why wouldn’t buy it: it’s an electric and the price.
Great heritage and great design. It just looks... cool
I love this van, lovely Vw Id Buzz🤩🤩
I’m not saying it’s the reason the Buzz Box is removable but, FWIW, the original Types 2 have that space open. In the Westphalia Campmobile, this space is occupied by a storage box which is also a 3rd seat - not the best (nor safest) seat but good enough for a short trip. In the Vanagon camping world a common accessory to purchase is a console for that space. My mother, who was not very tall, would leave that space empty. In that way she could enter via the sliding door instead of hoisting herself up by the grab bar at the door frame.
I have to say, as long as it took VW to get this to market I find it massively underwhelming.
Test drove it yesterday, and it’s up there with the best vehicles I’ve been in.
Why does everyone immediately reference the size of the badge immediately with the reviews of this car!?
Gotta love the commitment in that weather ahahahah
How was the sound system? Is it upgradable? How does playing music loudly impact the range?
will hey make a larger vs for camping with wet room in this hybrid model? that would be really something
A good honest review.
how is the camping mode, sleep well in the van?
Was considering renting one to drive from Holland to France next year but that range doesn't seem up to the task...
The touch screen is absolutely the weakest part of my moms ID.3 whenever I've been visiting and driving it. You really need to spend 15 minutes or so to get familiar with it before heading off for the first time. Best thing to do is find the fan controls and then just use carplay/android auto for the rest. The controls for actually driving are nice at least, love the little twisty knob up by the wheel to get into forward or reverse and the haptics on the fake buttons on the wheel works.
Ik hou van dit busje, mooie Vw Id Buzz🤩🤩
I agree with you in that all of these new vehicles that have just a touch screen should have some basic functionality for heat,ac and fans,hopefully the manufacturers will listen. I mean couldn't you fix the old van pretty easily not this one
I understand not having an umbrella (ella, ella) due to the noise the mic would pick up but I for one get that it's the UK, the UK is very wet from the top down.
So do feel free to have a hoodie or a padded rain avoidance apparatus RAA and complain as much as you'd like (:
sweet car
awsome content as usual
I want to love it, but I wish the back turned into more of a room space. Like seat rows that face each other and more modular options. For that price. Like improvements on a camper.
The answer to that is Nissan Elgrand/Toyota Alphard etc - but they are Japanese market only and hunky petrol only at the moment. VW have obviously not seen them - missed opportunity
Simple answer to avoiding stained seats; seat covers. I personally prefer sheepskin carseat covers but there's a whole host of choices that are just as hard-wearing and machine washable. And, when you come to sell the vehicle, the seats are generally in much better nick than if you had not bothered with seat covers.
Or they could design it fit for purpose
@@fatbobe1986 It's impossible to provide an iron clad stain free guarantee. To many possibilities for dyes, substances etc to come into contact with the seat coverings. This applies to ALL types of furniture, upholstery, etc etc. All (any) manufacturer can do is to clearly delineate what is and (isn't) covered by any guarantee & provide clear, concise care and maintenance instructions, outside of which, the guarantee becomes nul and void; standard commercial operating procedure worldwide.
Looks great but 56k plus being an ev ruins it for me... definitely the best vehicle of the ID range..
Seems VW are not listening still to the endless complaints about the Infotainment systems and the temperature that don't light up for night driving !!!
The VW micro bus is an historic icon/cult even GenZ’s are in love as the rest of us when we first lay eyes on one in da wild. The ID Buzz is a continuation of the micro bus 😎 👍🏾
Isn't rear right the most common charge port placement? Makes sense in right hand traffic at least, street parking
Rory does excellent reviews. I can see this VW van being an excellent city delivery vehicle. Lots of panel space for advertising and minus chairs lots of cargo room. Easy choice over Tesla if you're actually lugging kids around. I'd prefer the steering wheel on the left side but if I'm USPS delivery driver I'm looking at this one with the steering wheel on the wrong side LoL.
I wonder how much IP waterproofing the battery underneath.
Good review but I think too critical and picky. It's a new concept. Kudos to VW.
It's good to have non-bulky optional center console. WAG can put their bags in the front center.
Still not sure I’d trust it on a long holiday without a Tesla supercharger network. My mate on his eTron can’t wait to get rid of it. And not all are opening up to non-Tesla’s 🤷♂️
I love our ID3, but you're right, the MEB platform controls are rubbish. More importantly, they're dangerous as the driver needs to look at a screen rather than just push a button.
G I V E U S K N O B S !!
You are so right. This and the price range are the biggest issues with this vehicle...
This is generally a gripe with most modern vehicles going glass.
Such a huge step back in ergonomics.
Surprising when I am sure all car companies employ several experts in ergonomics in their design department and almost all are like lemmings following the Tesla way.
Interestingly the more lower budget cars are more likely to retain the knobs/buttons etc. --> low budget beats top line in ergonomics. LOL!
They’re driving a lot of Volkswagens here in Bogotá and I’ve seen a lot of cars that I would never see back in the States, but I haven’t seen one of these yet. I totally agree that the single color looks way better than the two tone. I read they were trying to incorporate some retro features of the original VW Type 2 which were mostly produced with a two tone color scheme. That doesn’t work for me on this vehicle, but the extra large VW badge on the front is one retro feature that looks great on the new Buzz.
The interior quality is why I didn't end up going with VW ID series. Just lackluster compared to others. I ended up going with the Ford Mach-E-GT
The ID Buzz looks very aerodynamic
A drag coefficient of 0.285 is pretty good
"Give us knobs" Exactly. I wont even consider half the cars on the market any longer. I drove a Tesla for one year before I handed the key to my wife and told her if I ever drive it again, it'll be off a cliff. It could've been a perfect car, if not for the UX.
i like the dual sliding doors, and hold 4 comfortably and has a huge cargo area, but how much will it be in the us 65k
I think they said it’s gonna start around 45k
VW is going to bring back the actual buttons especially on the new golf because of consumers bad reaction mostly on the steering wheel but might wait until the refresher comes out to change it.
This video makes me want to go on a roundtrip with my friends
07:03 Maybe they made it removable so you can add a small cooler there?
it looks good in the rain :)
It's great as a concept, just a shame it's based on the cheap MEB platform
Got to ask - what the heck is the issue with a rear position for a charge cable? Put the charger in the dead-front center maybe? Convenient until you have a fender-bender and mess up your charge port (plus all the moisture and ice in the winter). I'm not sure what they teach people in the UK, but here in NL we're taught (and expected) to reverse into the parking spot. And yes - people do reverse into parking spaces with large vehicles - it's no big deal when you know how to drive your vehicle. Dang silly hill to die on, if you ask me!
The Kia EV6 has it on the back, above the bumper and below the brake lights. I think Mercedes did some PHEVs with it on the back, too (although they put it at bumper-height, which is asking for trouble). This seems like the logical place to put it to me - I agree with you about not wanting it on the front (here in the UK we're *taught* to reverse in, but many go in nose-first anyway) but I can understand the challenge in getting a rapid charger cable to stretch from the wrong side. With the EV6, it looks like it would be easy enough to stretch over from the wrong side.
The interior is alright but would be nice if VW could at least do a bit of variety in their dash layout for their EV segment and fix their software issues.. also put in more physical buttons. ID Buzz will be their big seller guaranteed.
Most issues are fixed and Buzz is shipped with Version 3.2 already...unfortunately ID3/4 are often still running on 2.3 since you have to switch to 2.4 in the Garage to receive OTA Update upto 3.1 after this manual Update
It's very cool!
Here in Europe, VW had a promo video with STAR WARS theme. C3PO and R2D2 meeting the bus....
But if i am honest, when i first saw the ID BUZZ, i saw Marvin from "The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy" The depressive Robot.
Especially in white. Ok, i wouldn't do a promo with that movie as an easteregg, but look yourself. I am right.
The ID BUZZ looks like a depressive robot from the space.
Despite the fact I would've preferred a face more reminiscent of the T1/T2 bus (round headlights would've been awesome), I actually like the design. I just wish VW would do a small EV in this style - say an eUp Mk II. I feel there aren't enough "nice but affordable" super-minis around these days and the Buzz is still too large for my taste and needs.
I have wanted one since it was first seen in 2017. I am afraid the price and range will be a deal breaker for most.
11:27 "Give us knobs!" Or design the interface better, like Tesla do: you swipe up from either one of the climate control displays, which reveals a nice big bar with all climate-related functions, and then you aim for the 'A/C' button. It takes about 3 seconds if driving on a smooth road, a bit longer if on a bumpy road--but certainly not 40 seconds. (Don't get me wrong, there are other aspects of Tesla's UI that I would love to be able to tweak.)
Getting rid of touchscreens in cars would be a major plus and improvement to raod safety
Need more range for travel focused car… it’s ok for an everyday car, but not good enough for long family travel. Talking from experience doing pan-European runs in VW Passat. Need 350+ miles range and I would be really interested