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Gunfighting From the Front Seat - "Sucker Punch with a Gun"
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2022
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Fighting from the front seat of a vehicle is a common tactic taught in vehicle tactics courses. There seems to be a generally agreed upon way of running contact front/left/right/rear drills. Mike Pannone of CTT Solutions has a different take on the matter. Comment below with your thoughts.
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Mike is one of the best trainers in the business. He teaches real world training and not instagram training like other companies.
I took his class a couple of years ago and it was horrible.
@@edd1e22 what was bad about it?
@@edd1e22 why was it bad?
Hard to argue Mikes logic on this video 👊🏼
You going to be at Quiet in the Capitol again with CGS?
@@alexglenn2122 planning on it sir 😉
Never seen this point of view on any videos online. Very well presented and thought out.
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don't forget -- if the vehicle runs, it's also a weapon as well as means of getting off the x
I really liked that drill. It illustrated the point very effectively, in a easily understood situational context. Great job guys!
Right such a simple yet effective way to prove a point.
Thanks
This needs to been seen by everyone who teaches or trains vehicle shooting techniques. Thank guys! Special thanks to Mike!
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This is a breath of fresh air.
Right?
Glad dude is making training realistic.
Just amazed how many trainers act like it is a winnable fight if you do this or that
Yea cause they make money teaching those tactics. It’s a come learn my magic sauce scenario
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: Mike and Jake practice for the Chic Fila run later, Chris is still pinned down at Raises Caine's, and Crispy still doesn't have a vehicle....
Lol
Yeah Mike summarized this great, if anything your first reaction should be drive away if that option is still open. Like Mike said you have the mobility then and also you can pick maybe where the fight happens then. If you don’t have an available escape route like an open shoulder or lane then yeah you probably need to get out of the vehicle and use your angles and cover.
Really good video though!!!!
To your point (seated in a vehicle you’re in a box and you’re screwed): notice how cops tend to park away from incidents in-progress, then walk up on foot? Yes, partly to not broadcast their arrival in a marked patrol car, but also to get out of that box and get mobile, spread out, improve situational awareness, utilize additional points of cover and concealment, etc. Good stuff 👍
And, in your demo - in that 1.5-2 seconds it takes to get your first shot off at the bad guy - that’s assuming his first 6+ rounds fired at you (in this example) don’t disable you and prevent you from even getting your first shot off. Plus, once you start exiting the vehicle you become a moving target which (hopefully) makes you a little harder to hit.
Great comment dude seriously. Jake and Mike nailed this video I wish I could have attended but had other stuff. Just solid information with no Bs
I teach vehicle defense and I teach the same stuff. Don’t fight inside the vehicle. Because of the curve of the glass, the windshield will alter the flight path of your round. Shooting from inside out, there is a very likely chance a few rounds will be sent upward. So now your just sending rounds up into the abyss. A prosecutor will have a field day of one of those rounds comes down and hits someone.
Yessir
Thanks for not teaching nonsense
Awwww bro!!! Finally someone who tactfully calls B.S on the super cool blazing away from a stationary platform. He says luck gets you through Probabilities vs possibilities. You possibly win. Probability is you reside in the forever box. Thanks Mike! The Sicario analogy sums it up. Running the scenario through my head tells me without any doubt I want my ass mobile sending little bites of hate into the dude stuck inside the vehicle. I've had vcqb and always thought the fight from a stationary platform in a dynamic fight was bad juju. Some of the stuff about using the vehicle as cover/concealment was new to me and useful. Force on force w a vehicle minus glass would help put this nonsense to sleep.
Absolutely! More of this please
Refreshing to hear some one cut through the bs
Great help and very informative with the demonstration. I was looking at some vehicle training just doing research on the effectiveness of it before spending money.
Thank you extremely much 👍🏾
Always good to hear different opinions on these kinds of things.
Thank you-- Giving us a different perspective on the front seat.
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What it seems like alot a people forget about is that you're driving a multi-thousand pound vehicle that can accelerate fairly quickly. If you're a normal citizen and get ambushed, just step on the accelerator and get the hell out of there. Don't assault through the kill-zone, avoid it completely.
When panic kicks in, you press the gas to escape, and you hit a curb and blow a tire or crash your car-- Now what?
@@powercouple560 well you're kinda screwed at that point. I'd suggest getting out of the car and running away, then once you're safe, go buy a lottery ticket cause your escape was a gift from god.
If you have an escape route, yes leave, this allies to almost every civilian shooting. If you dont have an escape route, then here we are.
I once was suckered punched sitting in my car and this person tried snatching my gun off my waiste while he was trying to, he kept saying he would kill me if I tried anything. I then drove off with his hanging onto my car. He wasn't able to get my gun because the gun was snugged in tight on my waiste because I was wearing 2 pairs of shorts and joggers which were all tightened. During all this I was in shock because this was done by an Acquaintance who I've know for 3 years and never in a million years would i think they would do this.If I didn't drive off I would most likely be dead.
very enlightening, thank you
Easily the most useful/practical training video I have seen in months, outstanding, thank you Gentlemen.
Thank you sir that means a lot to the whole team 👊🏼
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SOFD-D doesn't phuck around.
At work we call a vehicle in a gun fight a rolling coffin. Always get out ASAP
You nailed it 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
I always thought of this but was never taught any different. Like I was taught, a vehicle is a bullet magnet, but yet I'm supposed to stay in a seated position, remaining stationary and shooting through glass. Same thing with how I was taught to conduct a felony stop, kindda a half in the cruiser, and half out in a seated position. Really great video and some great takeaways, thanks!
Yessir 🍻
Good video gents! Always prepare and take this kind of information wisely. 😎
High quality content guys, thanks!
Thanks you sir 👊🏼
Very interesting, educational video. I'm surprised it has so little viewership. I hope you guys grow a lot next year.
That is so true, thank you!
Mike says it best its "Pure luck" if you survive fighting from within the vehicle. Get the hell out, get mobile, get cover, and return fire.
Love this stuff. Keep doing it.
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Great information 👍
Good video 👍🏻 A lot of people do take vehicles for granted
Getting caught in the car is the worst spot to ever be in. Situational awareness is your best friend.
Meat Moves when it is shot or shot at (I.e.: Don't port/track through a windshield). Cool video. Similar teaching philosophy to Instructor Zero. Trained with him when I got back from Israel and he stated the same thing Mike does "Do not engage from inside the vehicle."
Yeah, it's not like Hollywood, with people hiding behind unarmored doors and gunfighting for 5 minutes (and with no body armor either).
The "community" needs to hear from and listen to dudes like this more. There is no magic pill, suck it up and put in the work. It's the only way to improve.
Secret sauce is usually followed by a “and for the low price of $600 I’ll reach it to you”
Yes! Even mike glover says to bail out of a car
Good topic. I agree with him.
Cool video thanks.
great one!
Great video Mike as usual bringing common sense to the conversation
You are 100% correct. 👊🏼
Met Mike at shot last year and stoked he’s in Utah! Gotta get out there w you boys one of these days…
Yessir
More Noner on the channel. No BS
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He doesn’t speak the language of BS
Interesting thought process. The best fight is the one you can avoid all together that being said ambush implies you have no previous idea it's coming so. So returning fire in order to force the aggressor to break contact shouldn't be attempted while moving to a position to engage or evade?
Most relevant topic to discuss in todays concrete jungle. Great discussion summary.
Thanks for watching and commenting we appreciate it 👊🏼
Fantastic video
Great video and great point being ambushed is just a lose lose even if you can get out of the car and get mobile you have to contend with traffic and not get smoked by a vehicle trying to get away from the gunfire! Not a good situation.
There’s no great answer.
been following his IG posts on this. Solid info for sure. A buddy of mine shot a guy through his patrol car windshield but, to my knowledge it was a traffic stop not a reaction to ambush.
An ambush is still an ambush. Break out of there and survive.
Real talk
Love the content
This dude is tired of the IG videos - love it 😂
I like it. Its not something that applies to me, but just like the left handed pistol video in still gonna watch it and learn from it.
I thank you gentlemen for the help finding piece of mind guns. Mason had a item in stock that most if not 99/100 wouldn’t have had.
No way? Dude that’s awesome he’s good people and we are stoked for the future.
Hell yea bro
As Mike knows, there is another option that they teach in defensive CT courses for people going overseas: Use the vehicle as a weapon. Drive. Ram. Get off the X, exit the vehicle.
Easiest way to argue this.
I’m not getting out of the car with my family in the car….
So you just keep your family inside the bullet trap?
So what you’re saying is I need an armored up Aston Martin with headlight mini guns, smoke screen and grenades..
YOU GUYS GOT MIKE ON A VIDEO?!? 😮
If you weren’t legit before, YOU’RE DEFINITELY Legit now!
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I think even a bigger point is the you are always behind and in a reactive position, so probably situational awareness is what should be taught as the first fundamental, plus I’m not sure gingers have the best luck.
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Damn thats so true when you think about it. You mostly only see police shoot out the window in rolling shoot outs.
Great vid. Thanks for the hood content.
I never really thought about the problems of shooting out of a car...
love it! finally some truth
Right? Mike is the man
About 2 seconds on an ooda loop under fear and panic
completely unrelated but Have you ever considered converting your sp5 or sp5k to a left hand charging handle?
Mike runs Barter Town
Just because something requires luck to be successful doesn’t mean it’s not worth training. One-man CQB requires a lot of luck to be successful, but I want to know how to do it in case I’m forced to use it in my own home. I feel the same with a car. Just because my odds are slim, doesn’t mean I don’t want to know how to maximize my admittedly small chances.
Edit: having finished the video, I understand that the idea is that getting out of the car will almost invariably be better than fighting from the front seat.
Assuming this is when you’re not able to drive away. Otherwise, you are a sitting duck.
You nailed it sir
So the thing to do if I'm in cover is get out of cover?
This one will catch some fair amount of incoming fire.
Good. Ruffled feathers are a good thing
@@1911syndicate Indeed, and how they got ruffled 😁
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We’d love to
@@1911syndicate thank you !!!! Marry Christmas!!!!!🎄
Alright, I wan to make sure I am understanding this idea correctly. I need to get off the "X" as fast as I can so if I cant just gun the gas pedal I need to click the seat belt with my right hand and flick away from the belt. Left hand at the same time opens up my driver door and I dive to the rear of the vehicle. As I am exiting my right hand draws my pistol and start working angles keeping low to the threat. If they are on the same side of the vehicle I need to try to make distance and put the corner of the vehicle or another vehicle between me and the threat. If I just try to stand and fight I need to assume I will be taking about 1/3 to half their mag before I get off a single round and I would of already taken at least one round.
That comment is purely so you can try to look like the smartest guy in the room.
@@1911syndicate naw, I have sub level intelligence and speed with a firearm.
@@1911syndicate I do wonder why you are trying to be a dick to someone who is trying to fully understand the ramifications of what your trying to say.
You could just stay in the car and die
#1 rule is don’t stay in a vehicle when it’s not in motion other than when it’s at a stop light or at a stop sign.
What about trying to drive out of the line of fire and then exit the vehicle to return fire?
If you can drive away from the line of fire why not continue to drive?
@@Chrisblauthis 💯 if you are able to drive out of the fight, but choose to stop and continue the fight, you open up a whole lot of legal issues. Great video, fellas!
I almost didn't watch this cuz the 1st thing I saw was shooting from a car then I heard Mike start talking
Boom
@@1911syndicate lol
Is that an Arc’teryx leaf jacket?
Finally someone said it. Get out of the coffin.
Imagine the concussion from firing in a vehicle. You won’t be able to hear shit after the first round.
I’ve done it many times with ears on. And it still sucks
I left off a 16" AR from inside a car (safety).
My second round took a few seconds while I got over the concusion, and every bit of dust in my car went airborne. It definetly sucks, the best hope is that the adrenaline kicks in and lets you suffer later rather than sooner.
@@1911syndicate Ear plugs and muffs of top wont save you from that WOP from concussion and over pressure
And yet everyone still wants to put a comp on their "carry gun." 😑😑😑
Humor people, humor
What jacket are you wearing?
Sitka arrowhead
Drive. Ram. Get off the X, exit the vehicle.
What ear pro is he using? Looking for ear pro in ear that isn’t that axil trash
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@@jessegpresley thank you kindly, going to grab a pair of these.
Ya win by luck. And a lot of cops are lucky that a lot of bad guys suck with guns.
Just simply EXCELLENT and I am very much looking for more!!!!!
Please consider not wearing the dark glasses during your presentation as that will increase our ability to better see what you are saying?
Please don't wear sunglasses in the desert.....
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One of the most recent wonky tactics I’ve seen is vehicle cqb. Total scam people are buying into
Good gouge from Mike. Get out of the fing box.
I’ve been saying this for years
How about driving from the front seat...
1sec like for mike
12:30 This fella Pannone consistently bashes other competent instructors online, yet demos something he claims to not teach and repeatedly points his gun at himself.
Applying this to immediately taking rounds with no warning, absolutely he is correct. What I think is a more pressing situation for civilians is attempted carjackings or road rage where you are being ambushed but more a threat is approaching than randomly taking rounds. Obviously the best answer is to drive away but that is not always possible. So I think more people are concerned with making the threat disengage versus having to eliminate the threat as in a military or LEO situation. Everything is situational. I in no way say that shooting through glass from the seat should be your go to response, but if winning a gunfight for a civilian is not going to prison of the forever box, it may be something you have to fall back to. Just my very novice 2 cents
He gave examples of people who have had to. That's a last ditch effort though
That IS the reality. When civilians get attacked while sitting in cars they are usually "ambushes". Same for knife attacks (usually when they are close enough already to reach out and touch us...too late to react offensively).
"Tactical vehicle EVAC seninar weekends"---are essentially "fun GUNDAY's designed obviously for civilians so that it's FUN and "real enough (i.e. exciting)" so they can go home and brag to their non-gun friends at the weekend BBQ's what they did....when they want to "one up" ....
Why would actual ex-Special Forces guy or SWAT bother to teach civilians the same tactics they were taught? THINK. Do they actually think Joe Civilian will actually stand a chance ALONE in a real life/death situation they've NEVER been in?? No "situational awareness" and distracted by everyday life (e.g. GF, kdis, car stereo with VOL up to the max...xoffee in one hand...etc.)...
Naivete drives firearms sales and gets civilians into "weekend tactical training courses". LOL! :) GET REAL11 And the likely car EVAC scenario will be---civilian parallel parkd on busy street sandwiched between 2 vehicles, people walking up and down sidewalk...cars whizzing by driver's side. Driver's going nowhere...only by the "Grace of God" will it play out to the driver's favour. :)
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I’m no gangsta’ or politician, so getting ambushed isn’t a real concern. It’s some entitled Karen with road rage that we should be concerned about when driving.
That's not true at all.
This only addresses an ambush involving a firearm. For regular civilians there are other likely scenarios such as an escalating road rage incident or a situation where the attacker has a blunt impact weapon and is smashing the window.
1) No shit, it's a gun channel.
2) Drive away.
3) Shoot the guy if there's no other escape.
This is a conversation debunking the IG craze of shooting from the car. In a LE role or as a student taking a vehicle class.
With your scnario. You are mobile In the vehicle. In most cases. It’s your choice to stop to begin with. The context is key.
Blend in more firearms techniques and fighting knowledge.
~It takes no skill~ I want techniques i can use while wounded or in high stress environments not to look cool
Great info, kinda repeative, moral of the first 7 mintues. You don't win inside your car, GTFO out by any means necessary.