This blew my mind! Watch before buying a longboard
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2022
- "What size longboard should I get?" A question i'm asked all the time and it's a tough one to answer. After doing this comparison my eyes have been opened to a few different ideas that I never considered. Hope this helps!
Both boards are a COS Chingona. One is 9' and one is 9'6".
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Board: Clean Ocean Surfboards: 9'6" Chingona
Really fun doing this comparison with you!
Yes bro thanks for the help!! Really fun and eye opening. Thanks so much for the help
When I was learning board design and shaping boards i was told to think of adding or taking away length - see it as a difference from the center of the board. 6 inches plus or minus then becomes something you can visualize better. Big difference!
Oh very interesting! Yes HUGE difference haha
Interesting video with lots of good information. Reminds me of my youth surfing the Jersey shore with the wetsuits. My hat's off to you for performing so well with all that rubber on.
haha Thanks!! I'm quite used to it.. but it's always a bummer as it starts to get colder and you gotta keep adding more rubber
I dropped on your channel a couple of year back Brian, it became my no1 reason to watch RUclips, it’s as good now as it was all those sessions ago
Keep up the great vids man
Wow thanks so much Gary! It's crazy to think it's been two years now. November 21st 2020 was my first upload
Your videos are AWESOME 👏🏼
Thanks so much Jesse!
73 years old, so age does factor into the equation, and there are other issues which include paddling out through high energy sets. But what I learned over fifty years ago; the smaller the wave the longer the board. I don't own a board, I rent what I want when I go surfing in Mexico.
Well that's a very simple and great way of looking at it. Smaller the wave, longer the board. I like it!
Have you considered experimenting and just changing the type of fin to use on the 9'0.
One for nose riding, one for mushy days, one for tube riding, and so forth. A specific fin for specific conditions and size.
This will make that 9'0 more versatile. The added logistics would just be a box of fins in the trunk of your vehicle. The benefit is that you will dail-in that 9'0 to surf everything.
Oh yes I have experimented with fins quite a bit. However there is no amount of fins that would make you only need to have one board. Fins do make a huge difference, but so does the length/width/rocker etc.
At the moment I kind of do what youre saying tho lol! I only have one board and adjust the fin as neccesary. For example, on the larger days I throw the 4a on.. on the cleaner smaller days I throw the solo fins pivot on.
Was a pleasure to film the 2nd day! Really beautiful waves and rides
Awesome, thanks so much bro!
Thanks Brian! You have confirmed what many have told me that my extra 6" really works well 😂😂
I think I see what you did there😜
Super fun looking spot.
Yea it's pretty fun!
Agree totally with 2 longboards. Initially bought a 9’6” Bing noserider, but it is so specific that i found my sessions limited. Got a second board, a 9’2” Tyler and it’s become my go-to board for most longboarding days.
Wow that's a great board duo you got there! I bet that 9'2 whips
@@LongboardSessions It’s a great board. Tyler is a master, and I’m honored to own one.
@@LongboardSessions
Think it be impossible to nose ride a 8’6 nsp element board ? Or tooo short ?
those bings are like that. it happened to my mate, i was going "no, we cant swap boards in the water, nope", haha
Great content brian. Nice to see you guys out there. So far I'm liking my bing beacon 9'6. just gets tricky when its fast and dumpy here by me. Cheers!
Oh awesome! I think we may need to do a comparison of your bing and my board... maybe a video!
@@LongboardSessions sure. When we get nice longboard days we can switch boards and ill try out your cos chingona 👍 lets wait for fun days
@@jamesdiola4773 Sounds good to me!
Great video and awesome insight. I ride a 9'2" for my longboard. Really fun, buy not designed for nose riding.
Thanks james! I'd like to test out a 9'2 and a 9'4.. try and see what the minimum should be for noseriding hehe.
At 225 pounds I just got a 10 foot neo classic, which is a hull designed, and I love that board for catching lower angle and clean waves. Pin tail makes it turn really nice. I also have a 9 foot tj pro v that can nose ride on more powerful waves, but the thing turns like like a short board but paddles and catches waves so easy. All about having the right board for the right conditions.
yes! 100% agree. Really gotta have atleast 2 or 3 boards to cover all the various conditions you may encounter. I only have one... so I gotta work on that haha
@Tim ....That Neo Classic looks awesome! I bought a CJ Nelson "Colapintail" that looks simular and I'm loving it.
Awesome comparison! You can really see the 9'6 shine in the smaller surf (more volume/length) allows you to get into the pocket faster & easier whereas the 9'0 shined on the bigger surf where less (volume/length) will enable you to whip the board around with ease.
Yes exactly. And I think that extra power and speed from the wave makes noseriding the 9'0 on the bigger day pretty easy. Really tough on the smaller cleaner day
@@LongboardSessions spot on! Great video as always!
Just started surfing a few months ago in south Florida. Have an 8’4” Tahe (Formerly BIC sport). Pop-up is decent and working on the turning portion. I had to grab the Gerry Lopez 8’0” foam board when I was in Costco the other day 😂. Hype to try a new board an eventually work my way up to nose riding a 9’0” +!!! I’m 6’3” 190 lbs in case anyone is curious. Appreciate the videos they absolutely help
nice!! I'd have to say i would recommend at least a 9'8" or up for you once you decide to get a noserider. Bigger is better in the beginning.. and maybe forever haha. I ride a board that's too big for me and it's awesome
can't wait to see a video with a 9'4!
haha yes! I think I'll be getting a new board in march when I'm in california. I'm thinking 9'4 might be the way to go
Thanks man!
That is exactly you mentioned it.
I ride 9'2 and nosedive a lot.
Im moving to 9'4 yeaww🤙
Excellent! Not to say you can't noseride a smaller board, but it does require more skill that's for sure.
@@LongboardSessions dont worry man. I ride my 9'2 about 2 yr and the feeling is sort of it. Btw, i just have my new 9'4 before this video. Yr conclusion exactly! means by that, even tested by 2 sessions 🤙🤙.
good stuff...i recently started surfing and i got a torq fish 7'2... i have to say its a bit harder to catch smaller waves with it... now looking for a long board to have fun on those days :)
Come to the dark side my friend!
I ride a 9’8 at 140 purely because I love the absolute struggle that comes with everything
I surf in Texas for the same reason.
haha! I think it's actually a good idea sometimes... if it's too big of a board you really have to pin point where your putting your weight to turn. Might make you a better surfer in the end
I would love to see you ride an aussie style/pig longboard making noserides only possible in the pocket. Also, IMO usually they have belly near the rear third making turning very exciting.
Oh I want a pig shape real bad haha! That's a shape i'll be adding to the quiver next year hopefully
Try a Tri fin set up on that 9’0” with lighter glass and you’ll have a ball!! Love thrusters but the fins have to be set up perfectly for them to actually work correctly.
That would turn it into an official HP longboard! That would be fun. I honestly need something for the bigger days as well
Great video Brian! I have a 9'1/4" which is fantastic in 1-2 metres but when it's less than 0.5 metre its noticeably sluggish. I borrowed a mate's 9'6" on small day and it was so much better. The problem is I live in Japan and storage space is limited. I've convinced the wife to let me keep the 9'1/4" in our bedroom but will need sharpen up my negotiating skills for a second one.
Perhaps she can sleep on the lounge?
hahaha! Maybe have the new board sleep on the lounge.. she might go for that. Or hang something from the ceiling
Just got a bing continental 9’8
its unreal in 1-4 ft but beyond that it gets a bit unwieldy. Great video
Yes! I had a 9'2 continental and I felt the exact same way. On proper longboard waves it's one of the best boards you can ride if you're looking to noseride
I had two surfboards same model but two different shapers and both different sizes. Both boards were slightly different such as rails and amount of kick in the tail.
I find that as well. Hand shaped boards will never be identical to the other one even if the dimensions are labeled the same
We have two 7' one with 54L and one with 43L. I literally cannot surf the one with 43L and paddling it feels so unstable. So yeah width and volume can be the difference between a board being surfable and not surfable at a particular skill level despite the length being identical.
Yes well said!
Thanks for the shout out.
Great video! ...I think you're on your way to a full quiver! Lol! -- Your definatly gonna have to add a shorter board for bigger faster waves. 😀
haha thanks billy! Yes I think you're right... ever since I made the mistake of selling my continental I'll never let that happen again.... my quiver will only increase for now. Can't wait to buy a board out in cali
@@LongboardSessions ...you know, I'm just thinking about it now, but hanging onto the old board(s) is also a great way to measure your progression, and even to retain skills.
@@billytuchscher yep… that’s my main complaint with having sold the continental… I want to see what I can do on it now
I have an 8'2" funboard (52L) and jumped on a buddy's 9' log today... it was WAY more buoyant and glided way easier (waves were tiny today). I'm now looking for a 9'-9'6" and this video helped a ton. I think a 9'6" may be great since I could use the 8'2" for larger days. Curious: why do you wear a leash with a 9'6"? Most longboard riders I see ride without one. Thanks for the video.
Oh yea it makes a big difference! 9'6" is a great place to start and a board you can keep forever.
I normally don't wear a leash with my longboard, but on larger days I will. It does take some practice and experience to longboard with no leash so most people will wear one while still learning. Most of the longboarders you see with no leash are quite experienced
Surfing with out a leash, especially in any sort of crowd, requires a different mind set. Or it should any way.
You need to be more conservative and stay within your skill zone. Part of your attention all ways needs to be on keeping contact with your board. And if you're stuck inside or on a close out it needs to be most of your attention.
Going for maneuvers you're unlikely to pull off usually results in your board washing in and potentially injuring some one. And of course a swim in for you.
Losing you're board while surfing near a jetty or rocks and your board can take a beating.
I wear a leash to protect others, not for my convenience. Things beyond our control are going to happen. But I feel I'm much more skilled and in control if I can complete a session with out ever losing my board.
There are leashes that attach up near the knee that make walking the board much earlier.
I agree 9’0 is almost too much of an ‘in-between’ for me. I had one and was hoping it would be an in-between feel for short- and longboard. But it wasn’t, not for me anyway, and I sold it. As usual though, kinda wish I hadn’t. But it didn’t have the width or volume for my limited skill level, or for the mushy waves. My optimum is 9’6, of which I have two, but I’m much heavier than 130lbs. And our waves are just awful most of the time. Fortunately I also have a Terry Martin Hobie 9’4 that rides like a 9’0, only better. 👍🏻 Very nice comparison here.
Yea I hear you.. the 9' felt too small at times even at my weight. But on those larger waves it was insanely fun! I wonder if you should experiment with a 9'8 or a 9'10 for getting some real trimmed out rides. I read a quote by Justin Quintal and it was something like always go a little bigger than you think
Thanks for the share ✨👏🌊🙏
You got it!
If you want to stay at 9'6 but want a board that turns significantly better than yours, try evolution longboards ("Pig style boards") wide point back. Thomas Bexon: High Pro Log, The Hariot or maybe the Bill Pin. They all have less volume than yours with the same length, thinner rails and are much more manoeuvrable. Of course there are other companies with such shapes🤙🏻🍻
Actually , Iv'e always wanted to try a pig shape like the bing pocket knife! I hear they're harder to cross step on. I also really appreciate the 'weight' of a traditional longboard so I'd be a little nervous going with something so light,, but i'll have to test all these things out haha
My best board is presently a Larry Mabile glider 10'2" .very versatile from 30 centimètres to 3 mètres I have too a noserider 9'8" Jed Noll . I AM 65 now in mouth west of France and longboarding change my life of surfer in 1987 with a peter mac callum 9'. I forgot my shortboards then .
Sorry south west of France (damned corrector)
Wow 10'2 ! I could barely hold that thing probably haha! Yes, longboards all the way!
OK now go 8-6 or 8-4 its a performance long board. YOU can still nose ride BUT the way you can throw it around is wonderful. Particularly, a quad set-up but you can still go traditional fin set-up as well.
Oh I bet that would be quite fun on a bigger day! Yea I'll eventually add all types of sizes to the quiver.
From a fin size perspective, have you tried CJ Nelson's thoughts about how to properly select the fin size. There was a cool vid he had done with Hawaiian South Shore where he talks about how he measures for fin size. I'd be curious to see if you tried that in your tests, and if you could tell the difference.
I'll have to search for that video. I haven't done too many extensive tests regarding size. I really need to get the same model fin in different sizes to do this. I have access to a few different 4a's so maybe I'll give it a shot one day.
@@LongboardSessions ruclips.net/video/AWNFs-mME-4/видео.html like 5 minutes in
🔥🔥🔥
Thanks bro!
What volume in liters is your 9.6?
I have owned several 9.0 and 9.6, and I found out that my favourites are fat and not as long.
Currently own a 9.3 in the pink and 9.4 robert august nose rider. Both of them have lots of volume, but they are more versatile than a 9.6... I know, only 2"... But... Its probably the shape.
I'm actually not sure of the liters, but I think you're correct that it's more about shape than the length. An inch wider makes way more of a difference than 2 inches longer I imagine. This is why you really gotta test out boards before you buy them if you can!
Thx Brian, I ride a 9' softop and ready to go to the next level, epoxy just not sure as for the length, 9' or 9.6 is the question. This is helpful and confusing.
What brand is your 9.6? Is this the chingona?
Thx
Yes this is the Chingona. My gut is to tell people to always go for the larger board. Nothing wrong with a board being too big because it teaches you so much.
@@LongboardSessions thx Brian. I am leaning towards the 9’6”. I already have the soft top 9’
When should I move from foamie to longboard? Also, surf still warm enough in jersey? I have 3-2 wetsuit, booties hood and tloves😊
I’m wearing a 3-2 in South Carolina- you might want to go alittle thicker for jersey jus to be safe
If it were me i'd move from a foamie to a longboard when you can consistently catch waves. However, it doesn't really matter that much. You can start on a longboard... you'll just get beat up a little haha
4/3 with boots right now. Some people are wearing gloves and hood. If you only have a 3/2 than i'd wear boots gloves and hood with it
If your asking the question, then it's time to let the foamie go, and move up. You'll love it!
I’m heavy - ride a 10’2 Apia and a 11 Mickey Munoz. Started in north cal with point breaks but moved to San Diego and having issues with the biggie. Beach breaks are too sharp.
Yea those beach breaks will get you. You need a little more looseness to deal with unpredictability
I have a 10.6 Munoz and love it in a high tide and the waves are "rolling" and not breaking. In those kind of conditions the Munoz is "wave-machine!" --- I'm in San Diego, let me recommend a few longboard reef breaks and point breaks to you (south to north): Garbage (in Point Loma), Tourmaline and PB Point (So. La Jolla) 15th St. (Del Mar), Cardiff Reef, Swamis (Encinitas). -- That'll get you started.
@@billytuchscher great! Thank you for the reccomendations. I've been sort of stuck at swami's and campgrounds in encinitas. Great to hear about the more point loma spots - I have not tried there yet.
@@sltillim -- SD surf is best in the winter when the swells come from the north (most of the summer southern storms off Baja by pass us and hit Orange County). I surf at first light most often, happy to meet you out sometime.
@@sltillim I LOVE Swamis! It's great on a low and rising tide. But if the tide is a real high (as it has been lately in the mornings) then move south to Cardiff Reef. It'll beak there with good form even if there is a LOT of water, and it breaks on a falling tide as well. Cardiff Reef is also good in a variety of swell directions that dont work for Swamis.
Now, you're cookin' with gas! Nice vid.
Thanks Jim!!
I have a high performance harbor and I’m working up to nose rides and I’m getting some here and there I was wondering if u think I should get a new board or try something a little bit more for nose riding
I think it wouldn't hurt to get a more traditional log. That extra length / weight really helps keep the board in trim... so If you're goal is noseriding then I was add one to the quiver. But don't sell your HP board.. those come in hand
Thx for the insight love ur stuff
@@cadenhendry7628 thanks so much! You got it
Why have only one board?
The blanket term 'Longboard' is misleading as there are so many variables.
Rocker, weight and rail shape are enormous factors.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis on your own weight though, I think this is where people largely go wrong.
So often I see petite women opting for a smaller version of a given board style only to then find it doesn't perform as expected.
Short, light boards are attractive for many practical reasons but will never glide as well.
Choose the board for what it does, then learn how to ride it.
Yes i'm starting to realize that your own weight doesn't matter as much as you might think, but does still need to be considered. Loved messing around on the 9', but theres no comparison in the glide developed on the 9'6 in the smaller/cleaner waves... no matter what your own weight is
New subscriber. I found a 9’8 long board step deck nose rider 22 3/4x 3” would this be good for beginners?
Sounds like a great beginner board! And a great pro board at that haha. Unless you're really small.. than a 9'8 could be tough to handle. Anything over 130 lbs and I think you're good to go!
@@LongboardSessions 5’6 150lb and my kid is 11 about 80lbs wanted to catch the white water with him board carry weight it’s 15-20lbs thanks for the tips this board $200 bucks so in my budget
Is it better for a beginner to use a single fin or a 2+1 ??
That's a great question. If they we're intending to be a longboarder, I may go single fin. Any other path i'd go 2+1
Mate I can tell you from my 60 yrs of surfing
From a coolight to a knee board to a 5’8” to a 7’ to 8’ to 9 to 9’6” to a 10’ to a 12’ to a 16’ foot boards
I rode em all plus Australian old mal champion on a ten footer
The thing is this
A 9’ is a modern malibu the 9’6” is a true long board as when you walk it you finish on the nose as I seen you do
On the 9’ you don’t so have to do a small shuffle to the nose to finish off
Yes it’s looser the 9’ it’s a modern board
I could do 360 on them multiples on the 8 and hold world record on a short board 9 in a row
The shorter the more manoeuvrable of course you can cut the tail off all day NOTHING happens any better lol
I did this test in 1970 but take a bit off the nose and wow look out lol
So I would say if you want to do the old style surfing enjoy the nose ride
Then the 9’6” is ya mate
I loved my ten footer it blasted at 8’ plus had a 12” fin with 9” base and could out run any short board it was fast
Enjoy your surfing man I am busted up these days but I know a lot about it
Made fins designed the Original for McTavish designed the stand away part of your leg-rope
Put the channels in the boogie board the channels in mals on the nose ten of designed the six fin board befor Glen Winton and had it patented
Just loved doing it all
Enjoy
CrouchOz
Dang you've done it all! And I know what you mean about the small shuffle to the nose on a 9' lol. Gotta take smaller steps to get rid of that little issue. And completely right about that traditional noseride feel.. gotta be on a 9'6. I still want to try a 9'4 to see if it still feels traditional, but so far in my experience only 9'6 and larger works well
@@LongboardSessions Gday yea well the 9’4” is ok but still just not quite there
In old mals the 9’ x21-1/2” is a boys and the men’s is 10’ x22-1/4” and 9’6” x22
Written by the Duke I have his book
The 12’ glider is an amazing board for small days even choppy with some shape
You can catch anything go long distance out run sections
Best bottom for them is a rolled Vee with a slight flat going into a small concave
Going back about one meter
They are such fun on super small days use a small fin about 9”
And your the only one out lol lol
Cheers enjoy
CrouchOz
Do you have any recommendations for longboards
Thats a loaded question haha! Kinda depends where you surf and what style you're looking for. Can't go wrong with the COS chingona or the bing silver spoon
9’6 is perfect if you can only have one board.
Agreed!
If you want a shorter longboard for bigger waves you should consider a vee bottom log, so much fun!
I'll check em out! I wonder if that hinders noseriding in anyway? or helps?
@@LongboardSessions Im sure you want concave in the nose if you want an ideal board for noseriding but i can still noseride my vee, i just have to be in the pocket though. Im sure theres boards that go one to the other or something but no idea. A vee is just fun because of the way it rolls from rail to rail
Where can you buy this board?
Well the shaper is originally from NJ and now works out of florida. So they're easily available on the east coast for the most part. I bought mine from the beach house surf shop in bayhead NJ
I see you're wearing glasses on land - have you ever looked into getting prescription lenses to use in the water? Would wearing cool sunglasses pull me out of the grom zone? Please answer, i just want the assurance that in the 3 successful popups in a 2 hour session, i will at least wipeout with style 😎🌊
haha!! Well I wear contacts when I'm surfing. When I was younger, i just surfed blind like an idiot lol. Took me till I was 30 get build up the courage to stick something in my eyeball
@@LongboardSessions yeesh, thankfully no eye infections yet from the sea water exposure?
Well I don't think so. I did have a nasty stye the other day... But not so sure it was from the ocean. Very possible
130lbs on a 9'6.. makes me question riding a 9'5 at 180 🤦
Honestly, I'm riding a board that's a little too big. But for you I'd figure a 9'8" would be more suitable. Even 9'10
Brian: Like you, I'm obsessed w/ nose riding....I'm currently looking to design a custom board that is basically a cross between a high performance longboard and a traditional nose rider. Would love to contact you via private message via FB or email with my thoughts/questions/comments. What's your preferred method of comms? I can provide detail here but it may not be of much interest to others. Oh, I'm located in Newport, RI.
Of course! Message me on instagram @longboard_sessions
Nerding out about longboards is one of my favorite things to do haha
@@LongboardSessions awesome....msg sent.
Alohaaa
Yeww!
Where do u live? Nice video.
Thanks! New jersey
Do you weight 58kg? That's crazy
135 lbs , so 61 kg I think! Not sure what I said in the video.. maybe I gained weight since then haha
@LongboardSessions that's all good. I weigh 100kg but I plan to slim down to 90kg hopefully. All the best to you sir for 2024.
Long boards are the wrong boards. Short boards dominate our universe
Not for long....😉
Short sighted butt wiggling back footed nonsense. Ain’t no glide in that slide. Hop hack pump wiggle smack attack whack … “did you see that turn!!!” No. Buckets of ugly. Void of the joy of a smooth high line right in the power pocket, perfect fades, and friction free single fin trim for the win. I live in the MULTIVERSE.