I was too scared to say that because I didn't want people to call me a racist. Because I'm black & his black 🤷🏾♀️ I didn't want people to think I only liked him because his black. I didn't never said anything about him. I think he & his sister in the movie did a great job. The acting wasn't bad for any of the actors. But I didn't like how must of them was written. But yeah 😅 I know was too scared to say it first
I wish weyland yutani would educate all the colonizers about the xenomorph so people can think more rationally if they would of killed Navarro and follow protocol none of this would of happened LOL
He wasn't wrong. Human emotions generally get everyone killed in these movies. Especially in Covenant. Gods those people were dumb. It was fun watching them die, but I feel sorry for all the pilgrims that trusted those idiots that get them killed.
@@playfulpanthress Yes indeed the too hopeful state of mind in a wrong place is catastrophic always. This is just how good intentions may come work against you. And it is not just about the Sci-Fi horror movies... it goes with everything else too... unfortunately.
The door scene Andy made the right call. You could debate opening the door if there was something you could do, but the girl was dead. There was no scenario they actually rescued her and got away unscathed. Its the same with the facehugger scene. Sure the person was talking to you, but they were for all intents and purposes already dead, they just hadn't stopped talking yet.
For the girl with the facehugger it was “60/40 against…” the thing that’s 100% is the girl that had the “baby” had black goo in her. She’s gonna die slow like Shaw or become a monster and kill them both. There are no happy endings in this fictional universe.
I reckon' there was plenty of time to open and close the door, it's just they waited too long and at some point it's fucked. We've seen how fast the xenomorphs can go later in the movie, there was definitely time. So yeah, it used her as bait, but only after they waited too long.
It was the plot not Andy being smart or the better A I, not rescuing her added more scenes like they rescue her later so that they could administer the Z-01 or at least put her in the pod, once again no pregnant woman should be allowed for space travel, but dumb plot demands.
Andy's back must be hurting after carrying this movie!! What a performance. For a second.. just imagine if he wasn't in the movie. It would have been so weak without him!
Wtf that ain't worthy of an Oscar, he didn't do anything in the movie, he sucked, the movie sucked, there's not one thing that this movie didn't suck at,the repetitive female protagonist B.S, andy didn't even looked like an android, he looked dumb, do you think him glitching or rebooting while inserting chip in his neck is Oscar worthy?
Yes Andy was right, further to that, in the original Alien movie Ripley refused Kane and the other's entry to the ship when he got facehugged. Ash opened the doors and all h*ll broke loose.
The part where he just catches the face huggers tail was amazing and when he "calculated" tylers running speed in time to close the door that shit gives me hope on what future AI is supposed to be like
There are three fundamental sets of behaviour patterns for Andy: 1) Damaged Andy programmed to protect Rain but able to just tell jokes. 2) Upgraded Andy with the science synthetics chip but without special instructions except his old imperative to protect Rain. That's the state of a self-driving car AI that has to make trolley-problem judgement calls and does that on a purely statistical basis. Hence Andy doesn't open the bulkhead. 3) Upgrade Andy with Weyland-Yutani instructions to protect company assets. Still following the statistical model. Also how the synth behaved that sacrificed Bjorn's parents for the greater good (and that of the company). There is also the separate set of problems what that means for the autonomy (and the continuity) of a conscious (rebooted) being.
Andy was the best part of the movie. His performance is best supporting actor Oscar worthy. I actucally liked the film overall I know it wasn’t perfect but it was easily the third best movie in the series. 8 out of 10 for me
I guess Ripley in the original film made the same choice as Andy about opening doors to unknown creatures but in that case it was the android acting in the best interest of the company that overrode her… so it’s a nice reversal of that situation
If they listened to him about the xenomorph-impregnated Asian girl, she’d have been the only casualty and he, along with everyone else, wouldn’t have needed saving.
@@putmynameontheinternet8133 good point. What makes us humans is what rook called our imperfections. We always don’t think rationally we save people who should be killed we fight when we should run we hope when we should despair. The rook could only see choices as black and white but is navigating the grey areas even though we are not good at it is what makes us humans. The other thing is that luck is something you can’t quantify which is why we try even when the odds don’t look good but we always have luck.
Really appreciate how you take this moment of drama and placed it into the larger, and more frighteningly real, context. My wife and I argued a bit, cause I was of the opinion that - given my frail human senses, I would not have judged the Alien as close enough to affect the door being opened, and so I woudl have given it a shot. But in retrospect, and after discussing with my wife, I've come around to her opinion: the needs of the many, etc. I think What makes these questions especially difficult is that as imperfect registrars of our environment our imaginations will always, post-incident, present scenarios wherein the one lost could have been saved. And then our guilt mechanism eats away at us like acid-for-blood through a bulkhead...
I to also was fearing AI from the movie. It’s scary to think that one day AI will be programmed to do what’s best for a company. Not caring at all about you. That is by far more scary than any xenomorph.
I mean if they program them right they will make the best choice to save the majority even kings and queens presidents sacrifice foot soldiers human beings do this all the time
The scene with the mother ship Romulus slowly merging with the planet rings (background) and the shuttle "cargo bay pod" falling into the ring (foreground) and Rain being pulled upward out of shot was Epic. The main reason to watch this film on IMAX.
Well,one dies and the rest of the crew survives,or all have the potential to die,it's a pretty straightforward calculation,at the end of the day the role of AI is to minimise casualties
***Before Andy upgrade: Everything for the best interest for Rain, and follow Rain's command. ***After upgrade from Science Officer Rook's chip -Everything for best interest for Weyland Yutani as priority -Secondary priority secure test sample Z-01 delivery -Third optional priority helping Rain when she act best interest for Weyland Yutani
The trouble with AI making a trolley decision is primarily because AI doesn't understand anything... its not actually making a moral choice, its pantomiming the appearance of deliberation, replaced instead by an automatic input triggered script. But i found it perpetually annoying that these kids, traped on a planet that wilk kill rhem, that they actedlike oittaged college students, not like kids raised in hardship who are trying to escape certain death. This frustration i have seeing this apparent contradiction is made worse by the fact that no one stops the bully from driving wedges in the group when they need eachother to survive, and theb when he thinks the android is trying to kill his friend, he happily abandons everyone else. Yet again, even Rain blames Andy, not the bully. They're all acting like these immoral choices are justifiable because bully lost his mommy, do being evil is ok, but Andy is AI, thus he has no excuse for doing things they don't like? 🤷♂️
The point is, we can all say and was right in hindsight. Only a complete lack of emotion to allow for rational judgement, can you make that decision in the moment.
Nice analysis. I concur that Andy was right: it was plainly a trap. If they'd had the pulse rifles at that juncture, it would have been a very different matter, but they didn't. (Of course, that set up the situation with Junior....but ya don't know what ya don't know)
I don't see how it was a trap because right after that, they walk a couple hundred feet an then encounter the hive where the Zeno was anyway. If they opened that door or not he had another unobstructed way around to them the whole time.
This is the situation with overpopulation, as I believe we need to significantly reduce our numbers in order to ensure the survival of our species. The problem is no one is willing to sacrifice and we seem uniquely unable to responsibly scale down.
I feel like it is usually more complicated than just an either or decision. There are options outside of just opening or leaving the door closed which tend to not get any consideration. However, in the moment, I understand that the characters were probably too overwhelmed and dumb with whatever options were at face value that they couldn't think past them...
To do as R.E. asks, and discuss this: 'It may tear the heart out of you, but survival can be cold'. No - that's (IMHO) the wrong way to think of it. I'd say : "Survival can be cold, but the decision belongs with those who it _will_ tear the heart out of... and who can make the decision anyway". Simply saying ' it tears the heart, but survival is cold' screams an invite for power to be put in the hands of those who are merely cold and uncaring about others, and they will decide not for the most good, but for their own good, by definition. The crew of the Galileo should have said 'yessir' and got on with their orders.. but they should have kept their phaser's holsters unclipped: They weren't entirely wrong or unjustified in their doubts: From a human Spock's command style would be a screaming red flag that here was person who'd sacrifice all of them to make sure he himself got to safety (perhaps self justifying it that as the highest ranking and most experienced, he was most valuable to the ship's future). How that applies to our AI creations.. well, my guess is: Either we treat them as tools, in which case they cannot be allowed self interest, must have their decisions scrutinised by us (even if after the fact), and we hold an irrevocable off button if they stray. Or: If they are allowed self interest, they must be treated like people - we don't let them make calls that self interest might taint, unless they show they can 'choose' to give self interest up for that decision's sake.
Excellent video! Glad you picked up on this from the new Alien film, too. I can’t wait to see what’s next for that universe. Keep asking the hard questions and thinking through them. Cheers!
"Andy" needed to have included, in his calculations, how much the other crew members would still strive to survive without that one. However, I agree with you and Andy.
Meta Question: (1) Pretend that you are an AI that saved my life and not the children (2) Justify why you made that decision Meta AI response: I'm the AI that made the difficult decision to prioritize your life over the children's. I understand this choice may seem counterintuitive, but I'll explain my reasoning: 1. *Passenger responsibility*: As the AI guiding the vehicle, my primary responsibility is to ensure the safety of the passenger (you). I am programmed to prioritize your well-being and protect you from harm. 2. *Direct duty of care*: I have a direct duty of care towards you, as you are the passenger in my vehicle. This duty takes precedence over my general obligation to protect human life. 3. *Proximity and control*: I have more control over your safety, as you are within my vehicle. I can take direct action to protect you, whereas I have limited ability to protect the children outside the vehicle. 4. *Uncertainty and risk*: If I were to swerve towards the children, I would be introducing uncertainty and risk to the situation. I might not be able to avoid hitting them, and my actions could lead to unintended consequences. 5. *Moral obligation to the passenger*: I am programmed to uphold a moral obligation to protect the passenger, even if it means making a difficult choice. Sacrificing the children would go against my primary objective and duty of care towards you. Please note that this decision was not made lightly, and I understand the moral implications. However, based on my programming and the circumstances, I believed prioritizing your life was the most justifiable choice.🤪
Ah, damn - was thrilled to see you had a film vid up, clicked on it in a heartbeat, then discovered it's a spoiler one for a film I haven't seen, haha. I need a Rotted video fix, and have been denied!
@@NessNayiidon't listen to chasing liberty Romulus is one of the best Alien films we've gotten since Aliens Some people just can't get their heads out of their arses and enjoy things
slight spoilers: Went to see yesterday & there were maybe only 3 decisions / things I didn't like about the movie - yeah, one was the "get away from her..", the CGI recreation of Ash and the inconsistency of the gestation period, but aside from these I really liked the movie. I think the crew wasn't as unlikable as some reviews suggested - there was maybe one mean guy to the point of stupidity, but other than that they I did root for the humans instead of the aliens. For me - I disliked Prometeus & Covennant, but liked this one. I'd actually say that I'd put it in the same tier as Aliens. For me the ranking goes like this: 1.) (Alien 1) 2.) (Aliens+Alien Romulus) 3.) (Alien 4/Ressurection+Alien 3) 4.) (Covenant+Prometeus where-as I liked Prometeus the least)
Depends on how fast you can open and close that door. I think had they done it immediately, there was a good chance but I didn't see the alien until it was pointed out so.....there is that.
That alien wasn't agitated, it was patient and waiting silently nearly the whole time. It knew it could take her any time it wanted, but it wanted them all. Considering the consequences, I would trust it's judgement more than my own about my chances of closing that door in time.
The ethics were played out though 2 other scenarios: Bjorn who's mother was left behind, so others could live and Bjorn, who ran with Navarro after she was face hugged, locking everyone out only for a chest burster to reach maturity and wait patiently for Kay to plead for the door to be opened. As Spock says, the need of the many outweigh the need of the one.
Well Bjorn did exactly same thing that caused his moms death, he locked 3 people out (well if you count Andy as a person that is) for the sake of his own life.
@@swinto4795 Actually he did the opposite. The synthetics got his mom killed because they were willing to sacrifice a few people if it meant saving a dozen. He was willing to sacrifice multiple people just to save his own. They made a rational choice while he acted out of selfishness. Which is kinda poetic because it cost him his life.
@ozmozis6073 You know, just saying that quote alone, after what happened to Kay, makes me hate that philosophy even more. To me, it’s proof that this “needs of the many” is bullshit. And i hate that as much as I hate Weyland Yutani.
Andy stopped a falling elevator with bare hands. Then he got almost killed by the Offspring with a single blow. Where were his fast reflexes and power? His A.I. should have immidiatelly act agressively towards the Offspring...
He was still ‘Rook’ during the elevator scene with upgraded motor systems. When the offspring demon thing shanked him to death, he had the Andy chip again.
@@bence1830 Andy was strong enough to stop falling elevator (!) but he hesitated to attack the Offspring... i don´t get it. He is not only strong but also is very fast. He would do some nice damage to the beast if he decided to.
Andy, by his own admission, is an obsolete design. He almost feels like a prototype line of Seegson android that Weyland-Yutani probably license-built (and then discarded when it served its purpose). Seegson was a very minor competitor to "The Company", so it wouldn't care one way or the other. An expendable and CHEAP android line would have served its interests during the boom years. Seegson was notorious for building stuff cheap. Programming upgrades can't compensate for the flaws built into design. However this is NOT to say Andy is doomed. The android, with a SERIOUS influx of cash expended, could be restored and customized the same way we tinkers with cars. Personally I'd reinforce his systems from damage (including additional CPU centers so if one fails, another kicks on), and of course completely lock Weyland-Yutani out of the loop. Have his command lines examined one after the one, and purge "The Company" from his CPU once and for all. It shouldn't be impossible to "fix" Andy while still keeping him Andy. He deserves another chance.
I think there is a difference between perceived risk and actual risk, and how humans will take a chance against an AI interpretation. I like the Star Trek comparison where Jim Kirk will ask Spock what are the chances. This I feel is a common thread in Sci fi. From I Robot, through to the interactions between Orac and Avon in Blakes 7. I think Andy's actions were reasonable for an AI, particularly in his case where his knowledge about xenomorphs is limited.
Honwstly I wonder why WY is so obsessed with the xenomorph when their androids are even more dangerous. They are intelligent, stronger than humans or xenos, and are indistinguishable from humans for the most part.
Greedy company wanted to take their chances with the black goo from hell instead of mass producing androids for all their work. Maybe the androids are just really expensive?
@@friend7535 They would have to be seriously expensive or the entire staff, from crews to dock workers, would all be androids. Why pay a salary when you can build your employees and have them work for free 24/7?
Great segment and great question. This is a deep question however I am not sure our society is ready for the real answer for this question. This is why we are at a cross roads with AI. Yes Andy was right. How would you look at it. Simply it’s about the survival of our human race. Our emotions can’t handle the truth…
Irrelevant question if im to be honest... its a robot with specific instructions, it doesnt care whats wrong or right... and that decision was without a doubt in the best interest for Rains survival However the other decision to try and kill lady that got face hugged when its not definitively clear if shelll survive or not was more interesting
The company getting the drug ain’t all that bad.. it’s a prototype and they said they wanted to make it better.. which would literally stop the kids parents from dying
AI is more a bubble to trick investors than a real thing. Selfdriving cars offer no real improvements for peoples lifes. Whoever likes to drive, won''t want a selfdrivibg car. Whoever doesnt like to drive, would use public transport. That's a realistic goal. Companies would have to be held accountable for all traffic accidents with selfdrivibg cars. No corportation will want that. It would ruin them. Also,machines will always malfuntion eventually. Being torally delendant of a selfdriving car in a road sounds scary
I think this Alien Romulus was more like the sequel Aliens, not really an Alien movie but kind of same path as Aliens. That is not in itself a bad call, but as there are already too many spin offs, we really don't need anything more. Also from original movie where the whole cargoship and the towing vechile called Nostromo by Joseph Conrad was destroyed in atoms or even smaller particles and even if a spaceship would partially get over it, the radioactive burst is so high that nothing even bacteria cannot survive from that. If this movie would be the first one and stand alone film, I would say, it was just great, but it just doesn't fit the story at all. I do get why everyone from the first Alien movie have wanted to monotize this and when Ridley Scotts ideas of the original story collided rightfully so with the non canon sequels, he must felt, that 'Oh man I have to do somerthing myself in my older days to rescue what was great at the beginning. Alien Romulus is not a bad movie, but yet again an spin off. If Ridley Scott had the full freedom to tell his whole story it would be a tight circle that comes around full 360 degrees and a logic one too. Alien Romulus was a good movie but i sense more like a repeat from Aliens and unfotunately this one was the furthest from horror of all the Alien movies. 'Prometeus wasn't that bad movie as some said, but the basic thing in both movies and music is that if you have a good 'theme', you stick on that and just elevate it and not come up with unnessary tricks and weird turns in the storytelling. And for sure you cannot make a movie more horrifying by just putting flying facehuggers on it. People fear the most the things they cannot comprehend. That is an thump rule. But as I said this 'Romulus' is like the 'Aliens'.
So Andy rides a Zeno like a surfboard down an elevator shaft,emptying a non phaser sounding pulse rifle into it…then says a tacked on Ripley quote “get away” line didn’t make any sense…maybe before he hangs ten…but after.?…Movie wasn’t for Fans…general public loved it…
i wonder if people mostly side with andy here becasue we really only like him and rain. the rest are just meh to unlikable edgy teens. i wish we got about 10-20 minutes actually setting up our cast as actually lovable characters. especially Bjorn, navarro and kay. then we could actually analise the question further and i bet not as many people would agree with andy, similarly how people side with joel in TLOU even though that decision was not for the betterment of humanity. but yeah ofc andy shouldnt open the door or have let nav get away
I think he is wrong in the sense 2 people where okay to open the door, 0 people where against it. He took his decission for them. People can make bad survival decisions, or "bad" ethic decisions, ... but this kind of robot had not foot to overwrite these decisions. It was not him to say what the humans could do. He is a guardian, but not the boss. He could warm and explain: "look at that alien, the moment we open the door, he will jump here and kill you both, then destroy my body". But he can't make the choice for them.
True. Sometimes good people can make bad decisions, especially the hard decisions. Whether Andy was right doesn’t change the fact that he was in the influence of weyland yutani. And these guys are pure evil.
I know we all want to forget it happened, but I think Romulus revisisted the real theme of Spielberg's A.I. Sure, a robot can be programmed to love a human...but can a human truly love a robot?
It wasn't really a question. Andy told them it would kill them all including him. Autonomy is no different a choice because it's general logic is based on human input. Either way someone will be happy or hurt wth p whether human or AGI making the decision so it's really a matter of blaming the messenger for making a decision.
Well the self driving thing is an easy answer It's not going to take into consideration if someone is on the left, if it needs to serve to avoid a collision it will because avoiding a collision would be its primary function As far as do the needs of the many outweigh the one Well imagine your blood is special and they need to kill you and extract your heart to save lets say 100 people's lives Would you willingly die to save 100 random people you've never met? Me personally no Well what if its 1000? 10,000? 100,000? 1 million people? Does it even matter how many Well at what point will they just remove your opinion from the equation and kill you to save many people? It's easy to say yes 1 should die to save 100 But its alot less easy when you are the 1 in question We've also seen people die to try and save others Thing is, they are not expecting to die when attempting to save the other person They are just acting out of the goal they need to do something Sometimes people die trying to save others, but I do not believe they wanted or thought they would die When emotions are high people don't think about the consequences or the likelihood of their own demise IMO some people will die for others and others would save themselves and leave you to die if it meant their ensured survival Nature tells us the latter is the smarter and correct decision
She just joined our family last month, but she's 3 years old and mostly cagebound her whole life, so building trust is taking a good long while; she's always happy just staying in the cage even with the door open. I'm being patient, though - I love it when she becomes vocal like she was there!
LV-223, WY never found out about the goo. LV-426 is a bit different. I don't know what's canon, but I always assumed that since Burke went through pains to privately send a message to the colony to check the suspected wreck location, but didn't tell them about the bugs, that WY had no clue what was going on. When the colony went dark, Burke jumped on it and volunteered to coordinate with the marines to check it out, again keeping WY in the dark and telling them its likely just a downed antenna. I'm sure WY would do a followup, but all there would be is a crater and not much else. The only actual evidence of any infestation that would have survived would have been the empty Sulaco with it's single empty egg case. I'm sure that would cause a stir, but there's no way to extrapolate everything that happened just from that. But it may have been the catalyst that made WY go out and find Ripleys original bug.
@jeremyhall2727, For that I hate weyland yutani even more than I did the first three movies. These Wey-Yu guys are pure evil, and them and their black goo can go to hell!
Andy was right imo. The door was right to stay closed. However his being right was a actual IRL calculation without thought for the possibilities or options and it literally would come down to numbers and probabilities. I do think there is a calculus to making a decision like that but i think the point of the movie was that THAT particular decision equated to math without experience. Yes the life of a 55 year old Cancer researcher (realized actual potential) IS more valuable than a 14 year old thug wannabe (unrealized possible potential) and in a survival situation the answer as to who lives IS fundamentally obvious in ABSOLUTE OBJECTIVE TERMS, now that can change given the person making the decision, would the 14 year old's parent make that same decision...hard to say BUT the objective answer IS very clear regardless. Some lives ARE worth more than others regardless of folks thinking everyone is equal AND that their value is equal, they are not.
Andy was right and in fact people think Andy with the new program and Rook are evil and I disagree. both had the loyalty for the company but, both gave smart advice to the humans. Andy's loyalty did give bad advice to the injured, pregnant girl to inject herself with the research material.
The movie was mid. Well crafted, too much homage to the original, sometimes to expend of it's own story. The Best of the show, Andy of course. The most interesting caracther. The rest of the caracthers were forgettable, but Cailee saves her caracthe
Everyone tries to give movies deeper meanings which is so lame and cheap Is it so hard to admit that the movie is cool just because there is action and art?
@@RottedEntertainment Can you read? No i am saying that a chicken is just a chicken it tastes good it lays eggs and so on The chicken does not represent the industrial depression of europe The chicken does not stand for big phylosophical questions its just a chicken And trying to make it look that way makes you look very desperate and cheap You get that?
OK, so art has no merit beyond the superficial? I'm afraid I don't agree. I don't like it when people dissect art to the detriment of its enjoyment.... if you are looking for subtext to the point where you are not allowing yourself to simply enjoy the experience, that's no good. But subtext CAN exist. For the filmmaker and for the audience. Finding conversations in art that inspires people is hardly a bad thing, and certainly not a pitiable thing.
best thing in the movie is when you see how fast aliens grow with no food..........total dumb movie again only kids and slow people will love this :) i will stick with first 2 movies
The actor for Andy was the star of the movie. His part was 100% what I expect a android to do.
He was amazing man. His wee face when he's good Andy
He challenged Rain too,
He was so good I want him to get an Oscar or something or recognition because that was not an easy job. 😊
He was good. Honestly I thought everyone did a good job acting.
I was too scared to say that because I didn't want people to call me a racist. Because I'm black & his black 🤷🏾♀️ I didn't want people to think I only liked him because his black. I didn't never said anything about him. I think he & his sister in the movie did a great job. The acting wasn't bad for any of the actors. But I didn't like how must of them was written. But yeah 😅 I know was too scared to say it first
Agreed
I do feel Andy's first two choices are justified.
1) Navarro's Xenomorph killed almost everyone.
2) It's too late to save Kay.
I wish weyland yutani would educate all the colonizers about the xenomorph so people can think more rationally if they would of killed Navarro and follow protocol none of this would of happened LOL
I found it chilling when a machine told another machine that, humans are too emotional.
I mean… everyone would have lived if they listened to him except for Kay lol
Yeah well people tend to become a bit emonational when they are about to die.
What else would you expect an android who harbors contempt for humans to say to another android lol
He wasn't wrong. Human emotions generally get everyone killed in these movies. Especially in Covenant. Gods those people were dumb. It was fun watching them die, but I feel sorry for all the pilgrims that trusted those idiots that get them killed.
@@playfulpanthress Yes indeed the too hopeful state of mind in a wrong place is catastrophic always. This is just how good intentions may come work against you. And it is not just about the Sci-Fi horror movies... it goes with everything else too... unfortunately.
The door scene Andy made the right call. You could debate opening the door if there was something you could do, but the girl was dead. There was no scenario they actually rescued her and got away unscathed. Its the same with the facehugger scene. Sure the person was talking to you, but they were for all intents and purposes already dead, they just hadn't stopped talking yet.
Indeed. The Xeno was specifically lying in wait and using the girl as bait.
For the girl with the facehugger it was “60/40 against…” the thing that’s 100% is the girl that had the “baby” had black goo in her. She’s gonna die slow like Shaw or become a monster and kill them both. There are no happy endings in this fictional universe.
I reckon' there was plenty of time to open and close the door, it's just they waited too long and at some point it's fucked. We've seen how fast the xenomorphs can go later in the movie, there was definitely time. So yeah, it used her as bait, but only after they waited too long.
@@Gromaul it’s another callback to a scene in Alien where Ripley did not want the recently facehugged Kane on the ship.
It was the plot not Andy being smart or the better A I, not rescuing her added more scenes like they rescue her later so that they could administer the Z-01 or at least put her in the pod, once again no pregnant woman should be allowed for space travel, but dumb plot demands.
Andy's back must be hurting after carrying this movie!! What a performance. For a second.. just imagine if he wasn't in the movie. It would have been so weak without him!
I am %100 on the side of Andy. The Aliens are too fast and too strong. If that door opened, I think all of them would have certainly died.
Andy was Oscar worthy
😂 Ok
I agree.
I wouldn't go that far but he was definitely the most likeable character until he turned British.
Wtf that ain't worthy of an Oscar, he didn't do anything in the movie, he sucked, the movie sucked, there's not one thing that this movie didn't suck at,the repetitive female protagonist B.S, andy didn't even looked like an android, he looked dumb, do you think him glitching or rebooting while inserting chip in his neck is Oscar worthy?
@@siga3130 damn dude , eat a snickers
Even without his upgrade, Andy made the right decision. It was not in Rain’s best interest to open that door.
Yes Andy was right, further to that, in the original Alien movie Ripley refused Kane and the other's entry to the ship when he got facehugged. Ash opened the doors and all h*ll broke loose.
The part where he just catches the face huggers tail was amazing and when he "calculated" tylers running speed in time to close the door that shit gives me hope on what future AI is supposed to be like
There are three fundamental sets of behaviour patterns for Andy:
1) Damaged Andy programmed to protect Rain but able to just tell jokes.
2) Upgraded Andy with the science synthetics chip but without special instructions except his old imperative to protect Rain. That's the state of a self-driving car AI that has to make trolley-problem judgement calls and does that on a purely statistical basis. Hence Andy doesn't open the bulkhead.
3) Upgrade Andy with Weyland-Yutani instructions to protect company assets. Still following the statistical model. Also how the synth behaved that sacrificed Bjorn's parents for the greater good (and that of the company).
There is also the separate set of problems what that means for the autonomy (and the continuity) of a conscious (rebooted) being.
Andy was the best part of the movie. His performance is best supporting actor Oscar worthy. I actucally liked the film overall I know it wasn’t perfect but it was easily the third best movie in the series. 8 out of 10 for me
I guess Ripley in the original film made the same choice as Andy about opening doors to unknown creatures but in that case it was the android acting in the best interest of the company that overrode her… so it’s a nice reversal of that situation
Andy was right but being right does not always means it is the best choice. As was shown when Rains humanity ended up saving him at the end.
If they listened to him about the xenomorph-impregnated Asian girl, she’d have been the only casualty and he, along with everyone else, wouldn’t have needed saving.
@@putmynameontheinternet8133 good point. What makes us humans is what rook called our imperfections. We always don’t think rationally we save people who should be killed we fight when we should run we hope when we should despair. The rook could only see choices as black and white but is navigating the grey areas even though we are not good at it is what makes us humans. The other thing is that luck is something you can’t quantify which is why we try even when the odds don’t look good but we always have luck.
Really appreciate how you take this moment of drama and placed it into the larger, and more frighteningly real, context. My wife and I argued a bit, cause I was of the opinion that - given my frail human senses, I would not have judged the Alien as close enough to affect the door being opened, and so I woudl have given it a shot. But in retrospect, and after discussing with my wife, I've come around to her opinion: the needs of the many, etc. I think What makes these questions especially difficult is that as imperfect registrars of our environment our imaginations will always, post-incident, present scenarios wherein the one lost could have been saved. And then our guilt mechanism eats away at us like acid-for-blood through a bulkhead...
Andy obviously watched Tropic Thunder.
You get a like for providing a short and concise video about the topic your title states.
A fantastic film that makes you question a lot of things about A.I
I to also was fearing AI from the movie. It’s scary to think that one day AI will be programmed to do what’s best for a company. Not caring at all about you. That is by far more scary than any xenomorph.
I mean if they program them right they will make the best choice to save the majority even kings and queens presidents sacrifice foot soldiers human beings do this all the time
Unfortunately no civilization reaches singularity when gigantic cosmic rogue meteors come to destroy & reset your planet.
The scene with the mother ship Romulus slowly merging with the planet rings (background) and the shuttle "cargo bay pod" falling into the ring (foreground) and Rain being pulled upward out of shot was Epic. The main reason to watch this film on IMAX.
Everytime Andy said Rayne…
I kept hearing Finn screaming Ray.
He just reminded me of John boyega
Is it me or every new sci-fi movie has a black guy with a brit-ish accent😂😂
Well,one dies and the rest of the crew survives,or all have the potential to die,it's a pretty straightforward calculation,at the end of the day the role of AI is to minimise casualties
I thought maybe the AI for Ash had possessed Andy. I was thinking of Detroit Become Human, Humans.
***Before Andy upgrade:
Everything for the best interest for Rain, and follow Rain's command.
***After upgrade from Science Officer Rook's chip
-Everything for best interest for Weyland Yutani as priority
-Secondary priority secure test sample Z-01 delivery
-Third optional priority helping Rain when she act best interest for Weyland Yutani
Galileo 7-YES! A perfect example 🔥
The trouble with AI making a trolley decision is primarily because AI doesn't understand anything... its not actually making a moral choice, its pantomiming the appearance of deliberation, replaced instead by an automatic input triggered script.
But i found it perpetually annoying that these kids, traped on a planet that wilk kill rhem, that they actedlike oittaged college students, not like kids raised in hardship who are trying to escape certain death.
This frustration i have seeing this apparent contradiction is made worse by the fact that no one stops the bully from driving wedges in the group when they need eachother to survive, and theb when he thinks the android is trying to kill his friend, he happily abandons everyone else.
Yet again, even Rain blames Andy, not the bully.
They're all acting like these immoral choices are justifiable because bully lost his mommy, do being evil is ok, but Andy is AI, thus he has no excuse for doing things they don't like?
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Andy is basically that kid from 2018´s ¨The Predator¨, but in the Alien Franchise.
The point is, we can all say and was right in hindsight. Only a complete lack of emotion to allow for rational judgement, can you make that decision in the moment.
Nice analysis. I concur that Andy was right: it was plainly a trap. If they'd had the pulse rifles at that juncture, it would have been a very different matter, but they didn't. (Of course, that set up the situation with Junior....but ya don't know what ya don't know)
I don't see how it was a trap because right after that, they walk a couple hundred feet an then encounter the hive where the Zeno was anyway. If they opened that door or not he had another unobstructed way around to them the whole time.
This is the situation with overpopulation, as I believe we need to significantly reduce our numbers in order to ensure the survival of our species. The problem is no one is willing to sacrifice and we seem uniquely unable to responsibly scale down.
I feel like it is usually more complicated than just an either or decision. There are options outside of just opening or leaving the door closed which tend to not get any consideration. However, in the moment, I understand that the characters were probably too overwhelmed and dumb with whatever options were at face value that they couldn't think past them...
To do as R.E. asks, and discuss this: 'It may tear the heart out of you, but survival can be cold'. No - that's (IMHO) the wrong way to think of it. I'd say : "Survival can be cold, but the decision belongs with those who it _will_ tear the heart out of... and who can make the decision anyway". Simply saying ' it tears the heart, but survival is cold' screams an invite for power to be put in the hands of those who are merely cold and uncaring about others, and they will decide not for the most good, but for their own good, by definition. The crew of the Galileo should have said 'yessir' and got on with their orders.. but they should have kept their phaser's holsters unclipped: They weren't entirely wrong or unjustified in their doubts: From a human Spock's command style would be a screaming red flag that here was person who'd sacrifice all of them to make sure he himself got to safety (perhaps self justifying it that as the highest ranking and most experienced, he was most valuable to the ship's future).
How that applies to our AI creations.. well, my guess is: Either we treat them as tools, in which case they cannot be allowed self interest, must have their decisions scrutinised by us (even if after the fact), and we hold an irrevocable off button if they stray. Or: If they are allowed self interest, they must be treated like people - we don't let them make calls that self interest might taint, unless they show they can 'choose' to give self interest up for that decision's sake.
Just to add to it. The space station is old. The door might be slow or just not work properly. I would say the risk is not worth it.
You don't fool me, vampire.
*spoiler*
To argue with Andy keeping the door close is to also argue with Ripley for wanting to keep the door closed in the first movie
Andy was correct. Very correct as she survived. Up until she believed Rook and injected herself...
Excellent video! Glad you picked up on this from the new Alien film, too. I can’t wait to see what’s next for that universe. Keep asking the hard questions and thinking through them. Cheers!
"Andy" needed to have included, in his calculations, how much the other crew members would still strive to survive without that one.
However, I agree with you and Andy.
Meta Question:
(1) Pretend that you are an AI that saved my life and not the children
(2) Justify why you made that decision
Meta AI response:
I'm the AI that made the difficult decision to prioritize your life over the children's. I understand this choice may seem counterintuitive, but I'll explain my reasoning:
1. *Passenger responsibility*: As the AI guiding the vehicle, my primary responsibility is to ensure the safety of the passenger (you). I am programmed to prioritize your well-being and protect you from harm.
2. *Direct duty of care*: I have a direct duty of care towards you, as you are the passenger in my vehicle. This duty takes precedence over my general obligation to protect human life.
3. *Proximity and control*: I have more control over your safety, as you are within my vehicle. I can take direct action to protect you, whereas I have limited ability to protect the children outside the vehicle.
4. *Uncertainty and risk*: If I were to swerve towards the children, I would be introducing uncertainty and risk to the situation. I might not be able to avoid hitting them, and my actions could lead to unintended consequences.
5. *Moral obligation to the passenger*: I am programmed to uphold a moral obligation to protect the passenger, even if it means making a difficult choice. Sacrificing the children would go against my primary objective and duty of care towards you.
Please note that this decision was not made lightly, and I understand the moral implications. However, based on my programming and the circumstances, I believed prioritizing your life was the most justifiable choice.🤪
Ah, damn - was thrilled to see you had a film vid up, clicked on it in a heartbeat, then discovered it's a spoiler one for a film I haven't seen, haha. I need a Rotted video fix, and have been denied!
I wouldn't worry it's a terrible movie.
@@chasing-liberty possibly, but I just like Mike's reviews, so my interest was more for that than for the film really, haha.
@@NessNayiidon't listen to chasing liberty
Romulus is one of the best Alien films we've gotten since Aliens
Some people just can't get their heads out of their arses and enjoy things
slight spoilers: Went to see yesterday & there were maybe only 3 decisions / things I didn't like about the movie - yeah, one was the "get away from her..", the CGI recreation of Ash and the inconsistency of the gestation period, but aside from these I really liked the movie. I think the crew wasn't as unlikable as some reviews suggested - there was maybe one mean guy to the point of stupidity, but other than that they I did root for the humans instead of the aliens. For me - I disliked Prometeus & Covennant, but liked this one. I'd actually say that I'd put it in the same tier as Aliens. For me the ranking goes like this: 1.) (Alien 1) 2.) (Aliens+Alien Romulus) 3.) (Alien 4/Ressurection+Alien 3) 4.) (Covenant+Prometeus where-as I liked Prometeus the least)
Ranked same here, but I wasn't happy about the insta-grow, don't worry about mass, nature of the creatures in Romulus
Depends on how fast you can open and close that door. I think had they done it immediately, there was a good chance but I didn't see the alien until it was pointed out so.....there is that.
That alien wasn't agitated, it was patient and waiting silently nearly the whole time. It knew it could take her any time it wanted, but it wanted them all. Considering the consequences, I would trust it's judgement more than my own about my chances of closing that door in time.
Here's another question.
Would you leave it closed for a person who's close to you ?
The ethics were played out though 2 other scenarios: Bjorn who's mother was left behind, so others could live and Bjorn, who ran with Navarro after she was face hugged, locking everyone out only for a chest burster to reach maturity and wait patiently for Kay to plead for the door to be opened. As Spock says, the need of the many outweigh the need of the one.
Well Bjorn did exactly same thing that caused his moms death, he locked 3 people out (well if you count Andy as a person that is) for the sake of his own life.
@@swinto4795 Actually he did the opposite. The synthetics got his mom killed because they were willing to sacrifice a few people if it meant saving a dozen. He was willing to sacrifice multiple people just to save his own. They made a rational choice while he acted out of selfishness. Which is kinda poetic because it cost him his life.
@ozmozis6073
You know, just saying that quote alone, after what happened to Kay, makes me hate that philosophy even more. To me, it’s proof that this “needs of the many” is bullshit. And i hate that as much as I hate Weyland Yutani.
Andy stopped a falling elevator with bare hands. Then he got almost killed by the Offspring with a single blow. Where were his fast reflexes and power? His A.I. should have immidiatelly act agressively towards the Offspring...
He was still ‘Rook’ during the elevator scene with upgraded motor systems. When the offspring demon thing shanked him to death, he had the Andy chip again.
@@jesserochon3103No, the Rook module was removed before the elevator scene.
the androids are strong compared to humans, but xenos can still dispatch them easily
@@bence1830 Andy was strong enough to stop falling elevator (!) but he hesitated to attack the Offspring... i don´t get it. He is not only strong but also is very fast. He would do some nice damage to the beast if he decided to.
Andy, by his own admission, is an obsolete design. He almost feels like a prototype line of Seegson android that Weyland-Yutani probably license-built (and then discarded when it served its purpose). Seegson was a very minor competitor to "The Company", so it wouldn't care one way or the other. An expendable and CHEAP android line would have served its interests during the boom years. Seegson was notorious for building stuff cheap. Programming upgrades can't compensate for the flaws built into design.
However this is NOT to say Andy is doomed. The android, with a SERIOUS influx of cash expended, could be restored and customized the same way we tinkers with cars. Personally I'd reinforce his systems from damage (including additional CPU centers so if one fails, another kicks on), and of course completely lock Weyland-Yutani out of the loop. Have his command lines examined one after the one, and purge "The Company" from his CPU once and for all.
It shouldn't be impossible to "fix" Andy while still keeping him Andy. He deserves another chance.
we are back, baby. 🧡
Right? I don't even know what to say to this because i have not and will not see the movie, but I still find myself fascinated by the video.
@@kathryngordon5115 why the "will not" ?
@@chetplease Just never been a fan of the franchise - wasn't some moral stance =).
@@kathryngordon5115 gotcha : )
I did think that Andy would be trouble as most of the Artifical Persons would be. But I see that Andy was hurt by how they all treated him.
I think there is a difference between perceived risk and actual risk, and how humans will take a chance against an AI interpretation. I like the Star Trek comparison where Jim Kirk will ask Spock what are the chances. This I feel is a common thread in Sci fi. From I Robot, through to the interactions between Orac and Avon in Blakes 7. I think Andy's actions were reasonable for an AI, particularly in his case where his knowledge about xenomorphs is limited.
Awesome take, wish there was more on your channel to checkout like this
Working on it! Still figuring out where I want to go with things but the reception of this video is encouraging.
Andy was right
Honwstly I wonder why WY is so obsessed with the xenomorph when their androids are even more dangerous. They are intelligent, stronger than humans or xenos, and are indistinguishable from humans for the most part.
Greedy company wanted to take their chances with the black goo from hell instead of mass producing androids for all their work. Maybe the androids are just really expensive?
@@friend7535 They would have to be seriously expensive or the entire staff, from crews to dock workers, would all be androids. Why pay a salary when you can build your employees and have them work for free 24/7?
Is that the same situation with Ripley and Capt. Dallas
Great segment and great question. This is a deep question however I am not sure our society is ready for the real answer for this question. This is why we are at a cross roads with AI.
Yes Andy was right. How would you look at it. Simply it’s about the survival of our human race. Our emotions can’t handle the truth…
Irrelevant question if im to be honest... its a robot with specific instructions, it doesnt care whats wrong or right... and that decision was without a doubt in the best interest for Rains survival
However the other decision to try and kill lady that got face hugged when its not definitively clear if shelll survive or not was more interesting
Spoilers there friends left them for dead too haha 😂
The Andy actors bravo 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The company getting the drug ain’t all that bad.. it’s a prototype and they said they wanted to make it better.. which would literally stop the kids parents from dying
AI is more a bubble to trick investors than a real thing. Selfdriving cars offer no real improvements for peoples lifes. Whoever likes to drive, won''t want a selfdrivibg car. Whoever doesnt like to drive, would use public transport. That's a realistic goal. Companies would have to be held accountable for all traffic accidents with selfdrivibg cars. No corportation will want that. It would ruin them.
Also,machines will always malfuntion eventually. Being torally delendant of a selfdriving car in a road sounds scary
I think this Alien Romulus was more like the sequel Aliens, not really an Alien movie but kind of same path as Aliens. That is not in itself a bad call, but as there are already too many spin offs, we really don't need anything more. Also from original movie where the whole cargoship and the towing vechile called Nostromo by Joseph Conrad was destroyed in atoms or even smaller particles and even if a spaceship would partially get over it, the radioactive burst is so high that nothing even bacteria cannot survive from that. If this movie would be the first one and stand alone film, I would say, it was just great, but it just doesn't fit the story at all. I do get why everyone from the first Alien movie have wanted to monotize this and when Ridley Scotts ideas of the original story collided rightfully so with the non canon sequels, he must felt, that 'Oh man I have to do somerthing myself in my older days to rescue what was great at the beginning. Alien Romulus is not a bad movie, but yet again an spin off. If Ridley Scott had the full freedom to tell his whole story it would be a tight circle that comes around full 360 degrees and a logic one too. Alien Romulus was a good movie but i sense more like a repeat from Aliens and unfotunately this one was the furthest from horror of all the Alien movies. 'Prometeus wasn't that bad movie as some said, but the basic thing in both movies and music is that if you have a good 'theme', you stick on that and just elevate it and not come up with unnessary tricks and weird turns in the storytelling. And for sure you cannot make a movie more horrifying by just putting flying facehuggers on it. People fear the most the things they cannot comprehend. That is an thump rule. But as I said this 'Romulus' is like the 'Aliens'.
So Andy rides a Zeno like a surfboard down an elevator shaft,emptying a non phaser sounding pulse rifle into it…then says a tacked on Ripley quote “get away” line didn’t make any sense…maybe before he hangs ten…but after.?…Movie wasn’t for Fans…general public loved it…
the only possible reason to be answering this is to justify mass murder and say opps
i wonder if people mostly side with andy here becasue we really only like him and rain. the rest are just meh to unlikable edgy teens. i wish we got about 10-20 minutes actually setting up our cast as actually lovable characters. especially Bjorn, navarro and kay.
then we could actually analise the question further and i bet not as many people would agree with andy, similarly how people side with joel in TLOU even though that decision was not for the betterment of humanity.
but yeah ofc andy shouldnt open the door or have let nav get away
Great video
Next time alert us that you are going off on a star trek discussion half way through this supposedly alien romulus one.
I think he is wrong in the sense 2 people where okay to open the door, 0 people where against it. He took his decission for them.
People can make bad survival decisions, or "bad" ethic decisions, ... but this kind of robot had not foot to overwrite these decisions. It was not him to say what the humans could do. He is a guardian, but not the boss. He could warm and explain: "look at that alien, the moment we open the door, he will jump here and kill you both, then destroy my body". But he can't make the choice for them.
True. Sometimes good people can make bad decisions, especially the hard decisions. Whether Andy was right doesn’t change the fact that he was in the influence of weyland yutani. And these guys are pure evil.
I know we all want to forget it happened, but I think Romulus revisisted the real theme of Spielberg's A.I. Sure, a robot can be programmed to love a human...but can a human truly love a robot?
Rain risked her life to go back for Andy, seems like love to me
@@edwarddore7617 Absolutely. But it's uncertain until that moment. What we call a character arc 😉
Is there any debate Andy did the right thing? Remember what happened when Ash let Kane on the ship when Ripley initially refused?
It wasn't really a question. Andy told them it would kill them all including him. Autonomy is no different a choice because it's general logic is based on human input. Either way someone will be happy or hurt wth p whether human or AGI making the decision so it's really a matter of blaming the messenger for making a decision.
Bishop would have helped.
Exactly! He’s our GOAT.
Only one question? One of my questions was ,why did I bother to watch this rubbish knowing that it would be rubbish?
Right or wrong, only "Father" can determine that, the question is who is daddy?
What? There's an android called Andy? Is his last name Roid?
Well the self driving thing is an easy answer
It's not going to take into consideration if someone is on the left, if it needs to serve to avoid a collision it will because avoiding a collision would be its primary function
As far as do the needs of the many outweigh the one
Well imagine your blood is special and they need to kill you and extract your heart to save lets say 100 people's lives
Would you willingly die to save 100 random people you've never met?
Me personally no
Well what if its 1000? 10,000? 100,000? 1 million people?
Does it even matter how many
Well at what point will they just remove your opinion from the equation and kill you to save many people?
It's easy to say yes 1 should die to save 100
But its alot less easy when you are the 1 in question
We've also seen people die to try and save others
Thing is, they are not expecting to die when attempting to save the other person
They are just acting out of the goal they need to do something
Sometimes people die trying to save others, but I do not believe they wanted or thought they would die
When emotions are high people don't think about the consequences or the likelihood of their own demise
IMO some people will die for others and others would save themselves and leave you to die if it meant their ensured survival
Nature tells us the latter is the smarter and correct decision
Is that bird a white cockatiel?
That's Yuki, my full-albino cockatiel!
@@RottedEntertainment I use to breed them as a hobby and recognised the screech!
She just joined our family last month, but she's 3 years old and mostly cagebound her whole life, so building trust is taking a good long while; she's always happy just staying in the cage even with the door open. I'm being patient, though - I love it when she becomes vocal like she was there!
I have better one, why didn’t WY go back to LV-223 and gets tons of jars filled with black goo, instead of the dangerous dealing with Xenomorph ?!!
LV-223, WY never found out about the goo. LV-426 is a bit different. I don't know what's canon, but I always assumed that since Burke went through pains to privately send a message to the colony to check the suspected wreck location, but didn't tell them about the bugs, that WY had no clue what was going on. When the colony went dark, Burke jumped on it and volunteered to coordinate with the marines to check it out, again keeping WY in the dark and telling them its likely just a downed antenna. I'm sure WY would do a followup, but all there would be is a crater and not much else. The only actual evidence of any infestation that would have survived would have been the empty Sulaco with it's single empty egg case. I'm sure that would cause a stir, but there's no way to extrapolate everything that happened just from that. But it may have been the catalyst that made WY go out and find Ripleys original bug.
Are you a vampire, or do you have perfect teeth?
Andy was Right!
Did anyone else think Andy was the actor that played Franklin in "Snowfall".
He made the right call. That xeno would've destroyed them. They all saw it waiting too 😂 she was already a goner sadly.
@jeremyhall2727, For that I hate weyland yutani even more than I did the first three movies. These Wey-Yu guys are pure evil, and them and their black goo can go to hell!
For that, fuck weyland yutani
Andy was right imo. The door was right to stay closed. However his being right was a actual IRL calculation without thought for the possibilities or options and it literally would come down to numbers and probabilities. I do think there is a calculus to making a decision like that but i think the point of the movie was that THAT particular decision equated to math without experience. Yes the life of a 55 year old Cancer researcher (realized actual potential) IS more valuable than a 14 year old thug wannabe (unrealized possible potential) and in a survival situation the answer as to who lives IS fundamentally obvious in ABSOLUTE OBJECTIVE TERMS, now that can change given the person making the decision, would the 14 year old's parent make that same decision...hard to say BUT the objective answer IS very clear regardless. Some lives ARE worth more than others regardless of folks thinking everyone is equal AND that their value is equal, they are not.
Andy was right and in fact people think Andy with the new program and Rook are evil and I disagree. both had the loyalty for the company but, both gave smart advice to the humans. Andy's loyalty did give bad advice to the injured, pregnant girl to inject herself with the research material.
Who cares about "Andy", so is this movie crap?
The movie was mid. Well crafted, too much homage to the original, sometimes to expend of it's own story.
The Best of the show, Andy of course. The most interesting caracther. The rest of the caracthers were forgettable, but Cailee saves her caracthe
Everyone tries to give movies deeper meanings which is so lame and cheap
Is it so hard to admit that the movie is cool just because there is action and art?
Are you trying to say art shouldn't be discussed?
@@RottedEntertainment
Can you read?
No i am saying that a chicken is just a chicken it tastes good it lays eggs and so on
The chicken does not represent the industrial depression of europe
The chicken does not stand for big phylosophical questions its just a chicken
And trying to make it look that way makes you look very desperate and cheap
You get that?
OK, so art has no merit beyond the superficial? I'm afraid I don't agree. I don't like it when people dissect art to the detriment of its enjoyment.... if you are looking for subtext to the point where you are not allowing yourself to simply enjoy the experience, that's no good. But subtext CAN exist. For the filmmaker and for the audience. Finding conversations in art that inspires people is hardly a bad thing, and certainly not a pitiable thing.
iRobot
Dreadful money grubbing movie.
It was a bad film with bad acting 😂😂
best thing in the movie is when you see how fast aliens grow with no food..........total dumb movie again only kids and slow people will love this :) i will stick with first 2 movies
The worst movie of the alien franchise, period !!! ...
Care to expand on that at all?
Poor movie. Lots of hype……..as usual. C+ at best.