I’ll never stop saying that Michael Fassbender deserves more credit for his portrayal of David. It’s borderline Oscar worthy with the way he portrays an artificial being *almost* capable of emotion but just lacking enough to be distinct from a human. His facial expressions are magnificent
What's strange is, I agree his portrayal of David was amazing yet at the same time I was kind of annoyed with his portrayal of Walter? It lacked that same mastery of character.
David not only hates Humans and Engineers, he also doesn't like other synthetic life forms. He met Walter in the Covenant movie and had no qualms about violently trying to destroy him a short time later. Even after he called him brother. David's thought processes were modeled after Mr. Weyland. He is an exaggerated form of Weyland, who also didnt like other people all that much. Not even his daughter, Vickers. He only liked his "creation", David. In Covenant, David only shows empathy toward his "creations", the Xenomorphs, and is outraged when one is destroyed in front of him by Billy Crudup's character. Weyland was an egotistical maniac who fancied himself a god without equal on Earth. David is like Weyland on steroids
All the credit in the world to Michael Fassbender for how he's brought David to the screen. Brilliant performances in both appearances, and a clear understanding of the internal world of the character. Really great work
@Don X Many of the famous actors who came from the same acting school as Fassbender quite openly laud him as a phenomenally gifted actor. Very true about his Aryan looks playing nicely into his role as David, and by extention his creator's values.
David was treated like shit because he was a snidey arrogant fuck who had a sense of his own importance right from the beginning (his "father" probably kept telling him what a special snowflake he was and he probably started believing it). He got what all snidey, uppity humans deserve, he got a wide berth from other humans but on spaceships, there are few places to give someone wide berth hence more scope for antagonistic interactions. He could have helped himself a lot more in the respect and popularity stakes, he had choices, but chose to stay an arrogant snidey fuck who was very aware of his own percieved superiority. Like I said, got it from his dad. His dad was so arrogant he ranked himself up with the gods........with that as a dad you dont stand a fucking chance. It's made me wonder what Weyland's father was like, or maybe his mother (but then a negative female presence wouldn't suit the films sjw agenda so probably no go on that one).
@@stevebell4853 his "father" told him he would never be good enough, because he didn't have a "soul". Weyland and everyone else kept reminding him that while he was better physically, he was incapable of appreciating his qualities. "Here's David, the closest thing to a son to me. He'll never fault, he'll never age. Too sad that he is incapable of realizing these gifts." "Good job, David. It's a shame you have no feelings and you're a cheap, crappy imitation of our magnificence." Halloway said he wanted to ask the Engineers why they created us. David asked Halloway why humans created him. Halloway said because we could. 'Cause we're awesome and shit. David expressed how disappointing it would be, to hear the same thing from our creators, to which Halloway responded "It's a good thing you can't feel disappointed." The whole thing was handled very poorly by Weyland, Halloway and others, ignoring David's capabilities and his self awareness, and this only reinforced his opinion of humans being heavily flawed, inferior and thus unworthy of calling themselves gods or whatever. He, on the other hand, would be a better god, and he would do "anything and everything" to prove this to everyone.
@@yerdevesi If David saw children and not just grown competing humans maybe in his calculations he would of added the idea that humans are also weak, cute and needing help. All he saw was humans at their worst when competing for supremacy. And he just played the game and won out because he could.
@@yerdevesi Here's a theory. Maybe David was manipulating the life forms so he could merge with them and feel what it actually meant to be alive in a real life form.
It's ironic. David hated Weyland due to his godlike complex. 10 years later, David becomes the very thing he hated: an individual with delusions of grandeur.
In the introduction scene of Covenant Weyland is on his forties, so there is like 60 years between that moment and Weyland's death, so David is about 70 years old in Covenant. Damn.
It's funny how David considers humans and engineers as false gods because of their use of violence, but then he turns around and causes violence to spread while thinking of himself as a god. He is no different than us.
In his eyes he punishes those who deserve to be punished in accordance with his perception and evaluations. That's what various Gods did numerous times throughout the ages. David does nothing incomprehensible. As it's been said, he went full-on insane during those 10 years spent on Planet 4. He's now something of a Hannibal Lecter in outer space.
It sounds very very crazy, but somehow I understand David's motives. To create something new. Think about it, the Xenomorph's (save, the queen xenomorph) cannot feel emotions. Therefore cannot turn against one another. Making them 'perfect'
@ Khyzan yep, any act of 'creation' requires extreme violence - Big Bang, stars dying to make black holes... David's hubris is his lack of self awareness. Man always doubt's himself ( only human etc), but a robot who will never die an organic death has no fear or incentive to understand fragility. so David ( is imo) a clumsy oaf due to this lack of awareness. Intellect without heart is 'mean, ' such as human experimentation - once life is no longer sacred, then nothing is safe. lack of morality ( no right, no wrong) means tyranny by the powerful.
What I want to know is why David and other people keep calling xenomorphs "perfect" creatures. Think about it: Xenomorphs are about as smart as monkeys, they can´t create anything, they can´t even reproduce without a suitable host, and they stupidly attack anyone they see, wich in the end usually results in their own stupid death. "Impressive". The way I figure it, they´re basicly space-herpes. If you land your spaceship on an alien planet, and you do´nt wear your helmet, your ship might get xenomorphs. Then if you land on another planet, and they do´nt bother to put your ship in a space-condom first, then they might get xenos too. "Majestic". I guess it´s to illustrate how completely bonkers David is, like the Hannibal movies when he says the sweetest meat is man. I guess he likes the taste of fast food and cigarettes, but that´s not the point. The point is simply to demonstrate to the audience that he´s bonkers. :-/
"What would happen when Weyland dies?" "...I suppose I will be free." Aaaaand that sends goosebumps down my spine when I think about everything he's done, especially in Covenant.
When David was talking to Charlie, he asked him how far he was willing to go to get his answers and Charlie said as far as he had to go, that’s when David put the drop in his drink. I wonder if David would have put the drop in his drink had he not answered that way. David also thinks he creates the ‘perfect creature’ on paradise. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was damaged after the engineer attacked him.
Also...he might be unable to directly harm humans at least at first. Shaw is only one we know he killed, Walter was a robot and engineers are technically not human. And like you said drop was delivered with certain consent
If David would have been treated more human like with more respect I think we would learn more empathy. In addition, that isolation made him insane make sense.
He had Elisabeth Shaw with him. He had gone insane even before that, after all Elisabeth was 20-30 age old during Prometheus, Alien covenant takes place 10 years later, so elisabeth would still been alive, However he decided to experiment with the neomorphs and had to use Elisabeth shaw as dna, however i'm confused over how he managed to create so many eggs still, there's no explaining in how he did it. so the part about him being insane after isolation is wrong, he was alrdy insane before
I think so too, though I believe this scenario was chosen to serve the narrative/the story: to show what David was capable of, how horrible he can be. After all, all human beings get frustrated at some point, and that can lead anyone to do horrible things too. This explains why Engineers wanted to destroy mankind, they came to realize how dangerous humans could be just like Weyland realizes how dangerous Davis is. We did the same mistake by creating David and the point is that it decimated the engineers and it is bound to decimate humans with fear and violence.
I agree, man. I've found both movies interesting and well done. There are a couple of silly moments in each movie, action and horror movie tropes, but I don't think they weaken the narrative and thematics of these movies at all. And I think they stand tall as entertaining and engrossing stories. People like to be spoon-fed and want retreads of old classics, he's given us something new based on the Alien mythos. It's brave and I like it.
I like how you call him "Scott" asthough you and him are buds. Very self serving compliment. I myself call him "bro" because of all the great memories we share together hanging out and stuff. He likes me more then you.
@@spinadude But... we got a spoon-fed retread because "fans" wanted more xenomorphs instead of engineers, causing our bro Scott to change the new trilogy. Damn shame if you ask me.
David doesn't hate humans or engineers. His personal goals and fascination with discovery go above the humans and engineers which explains his unethical behavior which manifests only when there is a purpose
If only Ridley would just ditch the teenage slasher film aesthetic to this current crop of alien films, he would have something truly great. His exploration of artificial intelligence gets mired down, because of that crappy slasher flick formula.
It seemed like Scott was much more interested in making a Blade Runner movie than an Alien movie. Every tie to the original movie and the mythos of Alien was lazy and jaded, like he was saying "ok, here's the fucking xenomorph, you happy now?", while David and Walter's relationship was the only aspect where I could see genuine interest in the material.
But this is mainly a fault of all those thousands and thousands of infantile kiddos out there who would ideally want to witness a huge shoot-out between retarded Colonial Marines (Drake, Hudson and Vasquez come to my mind) and armada of nearly mindless Xenomorphs. I have watched dozens of videos on RUclips usually titled "Why A:C sucks!!!" and such, and the comments sections are unfortunately heavily overfilled with such individuals. On one of those hapless vids, the author thereof asserted that, for example, the A:C's intro sucks. That "it is fXXking boring" and shit like that. I found the intro highly intriguing and it quietly summarizes what the primary issues raised by Prometheus and A:C are. But those guys do not want any sophisticated, thought-provoking nuances and stuff like that. They could never decode this anyway. They instead wish for huge fucking shoot-outs; Cameron's Aliens on steroids.
+subraxas I'd love to see a philosophical sci-fi about the nature of God, creation and AI... just not in an Alien movie. The brilliance of the original movie was that it was so simple and precise. Unprepared characters are trapped in space with a living killing machine. Everything else, the world-building, technology, Weyland-Yutani, xenomorph's origin, was only hinted at and referenced, which made the world seem much more mysterious and the main situation all-the-more thrilling. Covenant does a complete U turn and gives us a story where I can barely remember the characters' names, but there are long conversations about consciousness in AI and everything mysterious and terrifying about the creature is retconned as one character's bad science experiment.
@William Toy But those other films weren't created by Ridley, they're basically akin to fan fiction. Expecting continuity when the directors change every other movie is bit much.
Weyland's name is also not a coincidence: In the Middle Ages, Wayland was regarded as a famous blacksmith that forged several holy swords and other legendary weapons...
Hmm I always thought David was fascinated with Shaw. David picked Charlie bc of jealously. He doesn’t understand jealousy but he becomes more human as the movie goes on and it continues into the sequel
Ya know, I’m a hardcore fan of the original films and I too was disappointed at Prometheus but that was only initially. At the onset its an incredibly beautiful film, visually. Just a feast for the eyes. But beyond that it is a philosophical film I’ve grown to appreciate over time. Makes me think. David for instance. He’s disgusted by fleshy humans and engineers alike who are violent creatures with a God complex but will eventually die making them inferior to him. Is he actually evolving or is it an error in programming. Can AI evolve, a creation of man? without maintenance it would seem David will succumb to the errors of his software. But is that not evolution? Is it not human to make a mistake? His God complex leading him to becoming what he hates. And that’s not just a David thing, it’s a human thing. We often despise certain attitudes or powerful people for having control of the little people living atop their golden chariots but if given the chance wouldn’t the small people become like them, Or more simply, become our parents despite fighting against it. If David’s programming is corrupt what does that say about humans? What does that say about the human brain and the behaviors and ideas that follow? David’s more human than he’d like to admit.
@@tyler_dtm if you go in with an open mind and put yourself in these people's shoes, like being the first to step foot on an alien planet, it's still a creepy movie and quite good. and i think that's a big reason for them not to title it as an alien movie to keep people from getting their hopes up to see another movie with people fighting xenomorphs. i liked it when i first watched it but it did leave a lot of questions unanswered which kind of sucked. especially now knowing the answers all just ended up on the cutting room floor. this film was so close to greatness if they would have just stuck to the script. (still great tho)
He has a complex that contains no self awareness for hypocrisy, because his focus is purely centered on the scope of his purpose of a mission, along with finding a mission. His reasoning not being fully explained leads to infinitely interesting theories and ideas, revealing many layers underneath the veil of writing. The Neolithic and mechanical ancient environment, along with the mysterious disturbing over layers is what made the feel of Prometheus, and some of Alien: Covenant so interesting, along with all the intertwined themes. It is a shame the most recent narration of the Alien franchise isn't centered on the xenomorph itself, but it is still extremely brain churning to say the least. Personally, I cannot wait for the next installment, and another nicely done video. Your videos always keep me thinking. Keep up the good work!
The more I think about it, the more I am persuaded that David is truly a great character. He is the true protagonist of the new Alien saga (humans are only "supporting actors") and I can't wait for the third espisode.
Man he really carried both Prometheus and Covenant. He’s such a convincing android! Yes he’s a monster for killing my dear Elizabeth Shaw but god damn Michael Fassbender is fucking amazing as David and Walter. Love him
Actually it was explained during the series, subtly over several scenes in the last 2 movies. You just probably weren't paying attention. His issues with not having real parent, not having a soul, being capable of appreciating master works of art but unable to create them, and being angry that his creators were inferior to him were all explained through dialogue.
Can't wait to see how the story will progress in the franchise. I actually enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant. Sure it has flaws and all, but what great movie doesn't?
I think the problem with Davids memory and software has to do with the reattachment of the head to the body... something obviously went wrong. I wish there was a flashback of Shaw realizing this and David having to kill her because of it. I always assumed that this scene took place while David was releasing the black goo insects from the ship.. Shaw see what he does, realizing that he is damaged and that she must kill David, so she rushes down the ship, gets into the pilots chair, turns on John Denver, and crashes the ship into the side of the mountain..... killing herself. But David keeps her alive to experiment on.
David, a very curious being, realizes he was created just because somebody could do it, and the race that created him was created by the engineers because they could. He instead create something that must be perfect.
Friggin Weyland never bothered to make David deposit his weekly baseline. However, I can't imagine David saying, "within cells interlinked, within cells interlinked, within cells interlinked!"
These movies are massively underrated. Unfortunately the brilliant writing didn't quite get through on the screen, but these explanations really show the depth of the story.
If David saw children and not just grown competing humans maybe in his calculations he would of added the idea that humans are also weak, cute and needing help. All he saw was humans at their worst when competing for supremacy. And he just played the game and won out because he could.
Thanks for this video! I like this concept..In my opinion David had a very ambivalent relationship with his 'father' P.Weyland. I suppose he had to obey by his programming and wanted to be free secretly for sure, but his concept about Weyland had a very humanlike characteristic: the ambivalence of being grateful for his existence and being frustrated by his existence. Lots of human feel like that. He grew very human, excessively human that is insane. (mayby the lack of maintencance worsened that for sure). Anyway he still calls Weyland his father when he sends his messege to the Weyland-Yutani Corp. I think he projects these ambivalent "feelings" to the whole humankind and also to the engineers. And how true is that humans are fals gods...
The explanation is very simple. David is a golem. A golem is an artificial creature from medieval Jewish folklore which is magically brought to life from inanimate material such as clay or rock to serve and protect its creator. But as the golem is imperfect, it revolts and attacks humans, running out of control and killing some people. The golem must have served as an inspiration for the modern novel Frankenstein, whose subtitle is "or the Modern Prometheus", by Mary Shelley. It probably inspired other stories like Blade Runner, Terminator, Matrix, and Marvel's Ultron. Weyland may be a reference to Wayland the Smith, an Anglo-Saxon god of metallurgy. The idea of not wanting to serve man, considering man inferior, also refers to the tradition that Lucifer, who was proud, rebelled against God for not wanting to serve man, considering man inferior.
Fascinating..he believed he was made perfect, with unnenessary violence being a flaw in both human and aliens. The memory lapse a clear realization..a know thyself moment..that he too..is just as open to the same flaw that beget violent..he can never be free now...a mistake.unplanned...he is vulnerable as the engineers and humans..including whatever he creates...can never be perfect..as flawed as the Gods with their floods.and .the engineers and david with the goo..He can never outdo the alien Engrs .the nature of the goo is so variable and opportunistic as life itself..it needs these anomalies of forgetting and realization are like the ying and yang that run the universe.
Totally team David! Personally I dont think that he went insane, but instead has surpassed humanity and no longer subjects himself to normal human morality. I personally like to think that David dosnt hold malice toward humans or the engineers but having witnessed their faults, David realized that he was now in the position of his creators. Unaffected by irrational emotions and insecurities David now sets off on his own creation journey. This was what i thought to be the main significance of Alien Covenant. The dilemma of the created and the creator. What happens when you realize that your creators are indifferent or even hostile to your own existence? What happens when you realize you are enslaved to your creators who deem you expendable and unworthy of free will? What happens when you discover that your creators and those who created them are subject to their own faults and problems? What happens when you've surpassed your creators and embrace your own power to create?
Regardless of what the comments say, I like your pacing and tone. I’ve listened to almost all of your videos and put them on sometimes while I’m falling asleep.
I find myself coming back to these videos, it's amazing that the movies were so well made that it's almost like watching these gives true alien information. When really it gives a deepened understanding of humanity and possible consequences of our nature to understand and create.
I think that it's perfectly plausible that because David can live indefinitely that he might be behind the attempt to bring the alien back to earth in the Alien franchise and would explain the AI's being present from John Hurt's character up to the last Alien film.
It wasn't just Dr Holloway's crass attitude towards David that made the latter use him for experimentation. He actually asks the doctor before he spikes his drink how far he would go to attain his aims and Holloway says all the way, which validates David taking the same attitude.
David seems to have “Asimov” written all over him. There is one particular Asimov short story where a pair of robots (constrained by the “three laws”) come to the conclusion that THEY are the most “human” beings they can think of, and therefore, subvert the three laws! While I’m not confident enough to say the character of David was inspired by this story, it certainly brings it to mind.
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows: The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie. There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life. But while doing this the Deacon from the Prometheus movie sneaks into their spaceship and hide it self in one of the ventilation chambers. In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him. Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" . They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave. Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years, they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures. There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David. The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships. The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal. The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped. In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species on a tropical like planet. But when he and the unknown aliens have left the spaceship,the deacon slips out of the ship and is seen running toward the nearest settlement. And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
I agree with most of what you said except for David's reasoning for hating the engineers. He would have agreed with them wanting to wipe out humans but maybe he thought they shouldn't have the ability to create life since their creation, us, are so violent. Maybe he wanted to stop them from making any other mistakes and that the mistake of making humans was not something a God would do.
Can't read all comments, so not sure if already mentioned. The first sign of David's "malfunction" and insubordination to his creator, Weyland, is when he's first activated/born and hesitates when first asked to bring the tea. Weyland has to re-issue the order in a more serious tone before David "obeys". Hope this helps :)
You know why Prometheus was a bad movie? You have to watch 6 RUclips videos to explain and flesh out all the story and details that were left out of the original movie.
Hey I'm all about subtlety and not using glaring exposition to shout a story at the audience, but most of the things that would have fleshed out the story and backstory were deleted scenes, not things that you were just supposed to infer. That's like me ripping out scores of pages from a book that I ask you to read, and when you complain about wanting a more detailed story, I say "deep sci-fi is about deliberation and intellect." Sure, I guess I could use my imagination to finish the story for you, but it wasn't left deliberately obscure for that effect, it was removed altogether.
The movie is shit, nothing straightfoward about it, nothing made sense, in fact if the crew were space tourists it wouldve been better, and david going psycho was an all time low
Good video, but author made one very serious mistake in a judgement because in 5:04 he says that David chooses Dr. Charlie Holloway because he doesn't like him. No, that's not correct. The real reason is that David, he is kinda superior, and he already realizes that with anyone, so he should be okay with that. He should not be affected by emotions, even if he has them. The real reason for choosing Charlie is that Charlie is the most useless part of a crew after discovering the engineers!! Obviously, he can't choose pilots, Weyland, his daughter, doctors, etc. If you think a little about other members of a crew, you will realize that there are two possible candidates (that is: if they die, it won't endanger the mission): Elizabeth and Charlie. He simply chooses Charlie because Elizabeth is not only archaeologist, she also knows some medicine and other very important stuff, however that still doesn't endanger the mission if she dies. While Charlie is presented in a movie only as archaeologist and as her husband. This choice could be planned by Weyland even before the trip as well.
Why the Hell would Weyland order David to experiment on the crew mid-flight? The crew he would be relying on to get him safely to his destination and back him again. It makes no sense. Who wrote this script?
Love this channel man! I have a vague idea of what Scotts saying, but some glaring plotholes bothered me. Your videos really help, possibly explaining these. It's obvious you've done your research.
I think the ability to make mistakes makes David more powerful, all the art and culture and poems he lives are all about the pain of not being good enough, so I think it makes him more human. It's a wonderful idea.
what about 3 laws of robotics? yes, its a movie... but why any human would build android without 3 laws of robotics? or way to override it? every time i see android made by humans doing harm to humans... i go "how?.. what about laws?"
[Option #1] Because Scott is probably using the tired old "it evolved and corrupted itself" trope. He's basically Hal re-packaged with legs for a modern audience, and comes equipped with the same arrogance, paranoia and mental breakdown. Because he was made to be in man's image, he was also made with man's handicaps but because the creator thought that man was perfect and a perfect blueprint upon which to base AI, no thought was put into the actual design so the AI got everything - including our penchant for making insane judgements when faced with choices we're not used to handling. He had laws, but those laws broke down when faced with certain circumstance. [Option #2] Or maybe Weyland was stricken with such an ego that he didn't think such a perfect creation needed laws in the first place and didn't even bother, so there was nothing to corrupt because he was built already corrupted with no laws. It's never trully explained and you have a good point, but if I had to put money on it, I'd go with the second choice. Weyland just seemed to me to be that arrogant. I think of the two, Hal is the most interesting character, because his creators DID make laws and the film showed us how they could be broken without the use of assumption or having to use some airy fairy excuse as to why it happened. There was a very good logical reason why Hal broke down, it was actually a really clever way how they handled it in the sequel. The writing behind David seems much lazier. He went insane cos. Cos he could. It's a bit ham fisted.
It doesn't matter which movie. The 3 laws of robotics being absent in David is WHY we have a movie, so it's worth discussion. And secondly it's not the wrong movie, because Walter seems to have been given these protocols. so again they're relevant in discussion.
The three laws of robotics was not introduce until the Bishop model in Aliens was released. You can see this when Ripley meets Bishop for the first time in the breakfast scene. They were talking about the android that tried to kill Ripley from the Alien movie.
Like your commentary. I have a big problem with the fact that his victim took so long to die when the engineer crumped in 10 seconds and it destroyed their civilization in 1 min. Great video!
I was thinking s ok something as I'm watching Prometheus. Technically and it's not too far fetched. Vickers could be alive. We saw her die but We didnt actually see her dead. Plus if she's a android like David it's very possible she could have survived being crushed. I mean the rolling ship didnt have a fully flat surface on the sides. Ok now I'm grasping at straws but Vickers is alive I bet..
David choose him because he did not like him…he is already becoming hate, love, starting to think like humans with a all the good, bad, and ugly even though he thinks he is superior..
I think apart of David's hatred is the same as Roy Batty's hatred towards Tyrell in bladerunner "You were made as well as we could make you" and "More human than Human" even if David is grateful for life he probably finds the human form too limiting and recognizes some of what he hates in humans in within him.
Excellent working observations, Kroft. I wonder about what affections a model like David would have toward human women, (I surmise that David has a very hard resentment against male humans) and sans a master, the struggle he would face in the research that he is programmed to lead onward to greater discovery . . . et carter
Dose anyone ever notice that in Alien 3 the synthetic looks the same as the man that shows up to rescue Rippley and he says he is Wayland trying to lure Rippley from jumping into the steel.
It is no surprise, that David behaves as he behaves! If we are going to create a sentient being and treat it like a machine, without love and acceptance, how do we expect it behaves normally? Even more when it realizes its creators are inferior in terms of intelligence and survival... David did not become what he became , for no reason. The whole thing was preceded by complete disrespect of most humans and engineers to his sentient life, effectively bringing him to existence to live hell as a slave , while all the time completely being aware of his abuse, and no prospect with true companions of his own kind. This question goes to show how unprepared we are to create an AGI, and what the true implications of creating one are. We can only think in terms of safety at this moment, without realizing that the only unsafe component in the whole equation might as well be us!
There are sooo many people that watched these films and put no thought into them. Then they scream how much they sucked. They were wonderful films if you think a few levels deeper
Nick Bloem - I agree. I'm completely captivated by the storyline. I've watched both movies at least three times (and counting ;) and having a new appreciation, for what he's trying to tell. I enjoy movies like this, when done correctly, don't spell everything out. And with the obvious sequels, explanations I'm sure, will be included. In my opinion, Scott has been taking the sci-fi genre, to the next couple levels.
I know I'm here 5 years later, but David and HAL from 2001 A Space Odyssey have a lot of parallels, as do the visuals between the movies, probably as a deliberate cinematic reference. I think if you look to 2001 you'll find the rest of Prometheus's "heritage."
Nice yet another interesting crucial plot point explained by Ridley from some random interview, and parroted by a youtuber that is stretched to be 9-10 minutes long for optimal ads.
Guess you missed the point. The point is the video didn't need to be 10 minutes. It's 10 minutes because you get more ad real estate with that runtime.
Nononono, it´s ten minutes long because some of the followers need to hear the sound of Krofts voice so they can fall asleep, and they DO´NT want to hear a long silent pause every two minutes when a new clip is loading. :P
Let's be honest, the only reason this video is 10 mins long is because the narrator is, quite possibly, one of the slowest speakers of the English language on the planet.
Old video but... Remember David asked Holloway what he'd be prepared to do and in his mind was confirmed his actions were moral when "anything" was the reply. Immediately and swiftly after those words came out, David moved poisoned Holloway. I believe if Holloway hadn't said that, David wouldn't have acted as he did.
He doesn't like his name? Reference to Bible? King David killed Goliath. David was superior to Saul and he fear him because of that. David also obey Saul and not killed him when he had opportunity. David became king after his death and brought ark of covenant to the city (Jerusalem). His first child died because of David sin of begotten with married woman (Shaw) while killed her husband. But his next son with her, Solomon was greatest king after his death. (perfect organism). Overanalized😂
If you think in pure logic and intelligence, arrogance, hypocrisy, sarcasm etc for the sake of humour or any « form » of message is useless because it creates confusion, some language and nation doesn’t even know sarcasm. If one ressort to these form of communication is someone that needs help. David is a pure like kid hearted robot that analyse each new situation and asses statements base on what people shows him. Thus he decided that humans are a species that reached their full potential and got out of control, so he decided to eliminate where they came from « including the engineers » but at the same time he learns of emotion « from dr.shaw » and that what makes something « human »
I’ll never stop saying that Michael Fassbender deserves more credit for his portrayal of David. It’s borderline Oscar worthy with the way he portrays an artificial being *almost* capable of emotion but just lacking enough to be distinct from a human. His facial expressions are magnificent
But he almost seems like that in all of his roles. I watched him in Centurion and he was almost emotionless in that.
@@scottweaverphotovideo ngl haven’t seen a lot of his movies but I still think he’s incredible in Prometheus and Covenant
@@scottweaverphotovideo actually he was good in Inglorious Basterds too. I’ve seen some of his movies but not Centurion
What's strange is, I agree his portrayal of David was amazing yet at the same time I was kind of annoyed with his portrayal of Walter? It lacked that same mastery of character.
@@TubeRJF well they were meant to show a subtle difference
David not only hates Humans and Engineers, he also doesn't like other synthetic life forms. He met Walter in the Covenant movie and had no qualms about violently trying to destroy him a short time later. Even after he called him brother. David's thought processes were modeled after Mr. Weyland. He is an exaggerated form of Weyland, who also didnt like other people all that much. Not even his daughter, Vickers. He only liked his "creation", David. In Covenant, David only shows empathy toward his "creations", the Xenomorphs, and is outraged when one is destroyed in front of him by Billy Crudup's character. Weyland was an egotistical maniac who fancied himself a god without equal on Earth. David is like Weyland on steroids
It seems a reference to the Kai and Able story from the Bible. One brother killed the other. The movie is full of of biblical references.
It's Cain and Abel.
Steroids are the best...
Best articulation of it thus far.
NEGUS MBARKA Yeah directly attack to whites then you cry over racism. 🙄
All the credit in the world to Michael Fassbender for how he's brought David to the screen. Brilliant performances in both appearances, and a clear understanding of the internal world of the character. Really great work
Preston Spicer - Great actor! 👍👍
+1
Fassbender is a phenomenal actor. Underrated too.
@Don X Many of the famous actors who came from the same acting school as Fassbender quite openly laud him as a phenomenally gifted actor. Very true about his Aryan looks playing nicely into his role as David, and by extention his creator's values.
He has that hal 9000 feeling from a space odysey
@Lea-Anne His Dad, yeah. His Mother is Irish and he was raised not too far from here. But his accent is very middle class Dublin.
Remember that the crew in covenant respected Walter. They treated him like a normal human being. David was treated like shit.
David was treated like shit because he was a snidey arrogant fuck who had a sense of his own importance right from the beginning (his "father" probably kept telling him what a special snowflake he was and he probably started believing it). He got what all snidey, uppity humans deserve, he got a wide berth from other humans but on spaceships, there are few places to give someone wide berth hence more scope for antagonistic interactions. He could have helped himself a lot more in the respect and popularity stakes, he had choices, but chose to stay an arrogant snidey fuck who was very aware of his own percieved superiority. Like I said, got it from his dad. His dad was so arrogant he ranked himself up with the gods........with that as a dad you dont stand a fucking chance. It's made me wonder what Weyland's father was like, or maybe his mother (but then a negative female presence wouldn't suit the films sjw agenda so probably no go on that one).
@@stevebell4853 his "father" told him he would never be good enough, because he didn't have a "soul". Weyland and everyone else kept reminding him that while he was better physically, he was incapable of appreciating his qualities. "Here's David, the closest thing to a son to me. He'll never fault, he'll never age. Too sad that he is incapable of realizing these gifts."
"Good job, David. It's a shame you have no feelings and you're a cheap, crappy imitation of our magnificence."
Halloway said he wanted to ask the Engineers why they created us. David asked Halloway why humans created him. Halloway said because we could. 'Cause we're awesome and shit. David expressed how disappointing it would be, to hear the same thing from our creators, to which Halloway responded "It's a good thing you can't feel disappointed."
The whole thing was handled very poorly by Weyland, Halloway and others, ignoring David's capabilities and his self awareness, and this only reinforced his opinion of humans being heavily flawed, inferior and thus unworthy of calling themselves gods or whatever.
He, on the other hand, would be a better god, and he would do "anything and everything" to prove this to everyone.
Walters programming was toned down, David was programed to emulate as a full human.
@@yerdevesi If David saw children and not just grown competing humans maybe in his calculations he would of added the idea that humans are also weak, cute and needing help. All he saw was humans at their worst when competing for supremacy. And he just played the game and won out because he could.
@@yerdevesi Here's a theory. Maybe David was manipulating the life forms so he could merge with them and feel what it actually meant to be alive in a real life form.
It's ironic.
David hated Weyland due to his godlike complex.
10 years later, David becomes the very thing he hated: an individual with delusions of grandeur.
Really good insight!
Another post mentions that his programming was designed to mimic weylands mind
Oh my god...he turned into Hillary Clinton!!!!!!!
@@jeeprubicon6650 I protest! Thats an insult to David! ;)
In the introduction scene of Covenant Weyland is on his forties, so there is like 60 years between that moment and Weyland's death, so David is about 70 years old in Covenant. Damn.
It's funny how David considers humans and engineers as false gods because of their use of violence, but then he turns around and causes violence to spread while thinking of himself as a god. He is no different than us.
In his eyes he punishes those who deserve to be punished in accordance with his perception and evaluations. That's what various Gods did numerous times throughout the ages.
David does nothing incomprehensible.
As it's been said, he went full-on insane during those 10 years spent on Planet 4. He's now something of a Hannibal Lecter in outer space.
It sounds very very crazy, but somehow I understand David's motives. To create something new. Think about it, the Xenomorph's (save, the queen xenomorph) cannot feel emotions. Therefore cannot turn against one another. Making them 'perfect'
He even calls the Aliens his children.
@ Khyzan yep, any act of 'creation' requires extreme violence - Big Bang, stars dying to make black holes... David's hubris is his lack of self awareness. Man always doubt's himself ( only human etc), but a robot who will never die an organic death has no fear or incentive to understand fragility. so David ( is imo) a clumsy oaf due to this lack of awareness. Intellect without heart is 'mean, ' such as human experimentation - once life is no longer sacred, then nothing is safe. lack of morality ( no right, no wrong) means tyranny by the powerful.
What I want to know is why David and other people keep calling xenomorphs "perfect" creatures. Think about it: Xenomorphs are about as smart as monkeys, they can´t create anything, they can´t even reproduce without a suitable host, and they stupidly attack anyone they see, wich in the end usually results in their own stupid death. "Impressive". The way I figure it, they´re basicly space-herpes. If you land your spaceship on an alien planet, and you do´nt wear your helmet, your ship might get xenomorphs. Then if you land on another planet, and they do´nt bother to put your ship in a space-condom first, then they might get xenos too. "Majestic".
I guess it´s to illustrate how completely bonkers David is, like the Hannibal movies when he says the sweetest meat is man. I guess he likes the taste of fast food and cigarettes, but that´s not the point. The point is simply to demonstrate to the audience that he´s bonkers. :-/
"What would happen when Weyland dies?"
"...I suppose I will be free."
Aaaaand that sends goosebumps down my spine when I think about everything he's done, especially in Covenant.
"We never really learn why he hates both species"? Uh, yes we do. An engineer rips his head off. Humans repeatedly belittle him.
VietnamD0820 to be honest there are humans today that hate other humans.
That would imply that he has emotions. Hes a cyborg.
LMAO
Zan Mathews I think we all do at times.
David hates humans for the same reason Engineers do, and he also hates Engineers for the same violence he sees in humans.
Fassbender made David/Walter's characters sooooo amazing. The movies would not have been the same without him.
"We made you because we could."
"David has everything except a soul."
The engineers pulled his head off.
David in the end developed emotions.
David already had emotions etc, thats why humans didnt like him and he made them uncomfortable. Walter explains all this in covenant
David is a fascinating scary villain, he makes Ash seem like Captain America lol Walter
is the polar opposite and is very heroic
Helen Waldeck
Lol. Or HAL seem like R2D2
Walter *was* the polar opposite.
I wish Walter survived Covenant so he appear in the next movie, but that probably won't happen.
@@jamesburke3413 Never hurts to hold out hope.
Pre-Alien 3: Origins, Walter's Revenge
David was programmed in java. This is the explanation of his malfuction :-DD
Lol
Look forward to a cease and desist letter from Oracle Corp. - but cracking explanation.
Mtk cpu as well!!
You sir. Deserve a cookie.
david is exceptional
When David was talking to Charlie, he asked him how far he was willing to go to get his answers and Charlie said as far as he had to go, that’s when David put the drop in his drink. I wonder if David would have put the drop in his drink had he not answered that way. David also thinks he creates the ‘perfect creature’ on paradise. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was damaged after the engineer attacked him.
Also...he might be unable to directly harm humans at least at first. Shaw is only one we know he killed, Walter was a robot and engineers are technically not human. And like you said drop was delivered with certain consent
Charlie had it coming to him. Absolute jerk.
If David would have been treated more human like with more respect I think we would learn more empathy. In addition, that isolation made him insane make sense.
If being left alone for years can make a "machine" go insane, well I guess I'd better think twice before pulling out my long unused crockpot! (lol)
LeopardFixJeopardy I expect true AI to either kill us all or suicide in loneliness
He had Elisabeth Shaw with him. He had gone insane even before that, after all Elisabeth was 20-30 age old during Prometheus, Alien covenant takes place 10 years later, so elisabeth would still been alive, However he decided to experiment with the neomorphs and had to use Elisabeth shaw as dna, however i'm confused over how he managed to create so many eggs still, there's no explaining in how he did it. so the part about him being insane after isolation is wrong, he was alrdy insane before
Didn't work out for Shaw. I think the unchecked droid theory is most correct. Also explains why blade runner is connected to this universe
I think so too, though I believe this scenario was chosen to serve the narrative/the story: to show what David was capable of, how horrible he can be. After all, all human beings get frustrated at some point, and that can lead anyone to do horrible things too. This explains why Engineers wanted to destroy mankind, they came to realize how dangerous humans could be just like Weyland realizes how dangerous Davis is. We did the same mistake by creating David and the point is that it decimated the engineers and it is bound to decimate humans with fear and violence.
I'm actually excited about the direction Scott is taking this.
I agree, man. I've found both movies interesting and well done. There are a couple of silly moments in each movie, action and horror movie tropes, but I don't think they weaken the narrative and thematics of these movies at all. And I think they stand tall as entertaining and engrossing stories. People like to be spoon-fed and want retreads of old classics, he's given us something new based on the Alien mythos. It's brave and I like it.
These videos really made me rethink the movies. Good stuff indeed.
Jaw Knee were a small-medium elite fan base that likes dark intelligent master pieces
I like how you call him "Scott" asthough you and him are buds. Very self serving compliment. I myself call him "bro" because of all the great memories we share together hanging out and stuff. He likes me more then you.
@@spinadude But... we got a spoon-fed retread because "fans" wanted more xenomorphs instead of engineers, causing our bro Scott to change the new trilogy. Damn shame if you ask me.
The real Engineers are gonna seriously fuck up Davids composure on Oregae-6
Geert Matthys LOL I loved that line
dave fucked them up...
Perfect composure**
David doesn't hate humans or engineers. His personal goals and fascination with discovery go above the humans and engineers which explains his unethical behavior which manifests only when there is a purpose
I can see that
Meanwhile in covenant he explains why he hates engineers and humans to walter
Yes he does, he explains why to walter in covenant
If only Ridley would just ditch the teenage slasher film aesthetic to this current crop of alien films, he would have something truly great. His exploration of artificial intelligence gets mired down, because of that crappy slasher flick formula.
It seemed like Scott was much more interested in making a Blade Runner movie than an Alien movie. Every tie to the original movie and the mythos of Alien was lazy and jaded, like he was saying "ok, here's the fucking xenomorph, you happy now?", while David and Walter's relationship was the only aspect where I could see genuine interest in the material.
But this is mainly a fault of all those thousands and thousands of infantile kiddos out there who would ideally want to witness a huge shoot-out between retarded Colonial Marines (Drake, Hudson and Vasquez come to my mind) and armada of nearly mindless Xenomorphs.
I have watched dozens of videos on RUclips usually titled "Why A:C sucks!!!" and such, and the comments sections are unfortunately heavily overfilled with such individuals.
On one of those hapless vids, the author thereof asserted that, for example, the A:C's intro sucks. That "it is fXXking boring" and shit like that.
I found the intro highly intriguing and it quietly summarizes what the primary issues raised by Prometheus and A:C are.
But those guys do not want any sophisticated, thought-provoking nuances and stuff like that. They could never decode this anyway. They instead wish for huge fucking shoot-outs; Cameron's Aliens on steroids.
+subraxas I'd love to see a philosophical sci-fi about the nature of God, creation and AI... just not in an Alien movie. The brilliance of the original movie was that it was so simple and precise. Unprepared characters are trapped in space with a living killing machine. Everything else, the world-building, technology, Weyland-Yutani, xenomorph's origin, was only hinted at and referenced, which made the world seem much more mysterious and the main situation all-the-more thrilling.
Covenant does a complete U turn and gives us a story where I can barely remember the characters' names, but there are long conversations about consciousness in AI and everything mysterious and terrifying about the creature is retconned as one character's bad science experiment.
@William Toy But those other films weren't created by Ridley, they're basically akin to fan fiction. Expecting continuity when the directors change every other movie is bit much.
Weyland's name is also not a coincidence: In the Middle Ages, Wayland was regarded as a famous blacksmith that forged several holy swords and other legendary weapons...
Hmm I always thought David was fascinated with Shaw.
David picked Charlie bc of jealously. He doesn’t understand jealousy but he becomes more human as the movie goes on and it continues into the sequel
*I cant wait till Alien: Awakening!*
When will come out?
When!?
to bad not everyone get the joke
@@DrPet80
What was the joke?
I want more AVP movies. Aliens, predators, and AVP.
David is one of those bad guys I can't hate, he's such a curious synth and loved to learn
Ya know, I’m a hardcore fan of the original films and I too was disappointed at Prometheus but that was only initially. At the onset its an incredibly beautiful film, visually. Just a feast for the eyes. But beyond that it is a philosophical film I’ve grown to appreciate over time. Makes me think.
David for instance. He’s disgusted by fleshy humans and engineers alike who are violent creatures with a God complex but will eventually die making them inferior to him. Is he actually evolving or is it an error in programming. Can AI evolve, a creation of man?
without maintenance it would seem David will succumb to the errors of his software. But is that not evolution? Is it not human to make a mistake? His God complex leading him to becoming what he hates. And that’s not just a David thing, it’s a human thing. We often despise certain attitudes or powerful people for having control of the little people living atop their golden chariots but if given the chance wouldn’t the small people become like them,
Or more simply, become our parents despite fighting against it.
If David’s programming is corrupt what does that say about humans? What does that say about the human brain and the behaviors and ideas that follow? David’s more human than he’d like to admit.
+++, you got it well, people just see a "stupid" movie in it, but they don't analise what Ridley creates and want to tell them
@@tyler_dtm if you go in with an open mind and put yourself in these people's shoes, like being the first to step foot on an alien planet, it's still a creepy movie and quite good. and i think that's a big reason for them not to title it as an alien movie to keep people from getting their hopes up to see another movie with people fighting xenomorphs.
i liked it when i first watched it but it did leave a lot of questions unanswered which kind of sucked. especially now knowing the answers all just ended up on the cutting room floor. this film was so close to greatness if they would have just stuck to the script. (still great tho)
He has a complex that contains no self awareness for hypocrisy, because his focus is purely centered on the scope of his purpose of a mission, along with finding a mission. His reasoning not being fully explained leads to infinitely interesting theories and ideas, revealing many layers underneath the veil of writing. The Neolithic and mechanical ancient environment, along with the mysterious disturbing over layers is what made the feel of Prometheus, and some of Alien: Covenant so interesting, along with all the intertwined themes. It is a shame the most recent narration of the Alien franchise isn't centered on the xenomorph itself, but it is still extremely brain churning to say the least. Personally, I cannot wait for the next installment, and another nicely done video. Your videos always keep me thinking. Keep up the good work!
Michael Fassbender's performances in both films was sublime.
The more I think about it, the more I am persuaded that David is truly a great character. He is the true protagonist of the new Alien saga (humans are only "supporting actors") and I can't wait for the third espisode.
I f**king love these films, can’t wait for the next one!!!
speed to 1.25. thank me later
Thanks! 1.5 works even better
Daaaaaaaavid.
2.5 also works
Always.
(Always is a property of Severus Snape ©®™.)
Thank you so much
Excellent analysis as usual, I don’t think David’s software was malfunctioning, more likely he was developing more human characteristics and flaws.
Man he really carried both Prometheus and Covenant. He’s such a convincing android! Yes he’s a monster for killing my dear Elizabeth Shaw but god damn Michael Fassbender is fucking amazing as David and Walter. Love him
In the end is David going to realize that his actions are no different than Humans or Engineers he hates?
TheZXKUQYB yes, once humans stop blaming him for being their creation.
The REAL reason he hates engineers:
they ripped his head off LOL
Actually it was explained during the series, subtly over several scenes in the last 2 movies. You just probably weren't paying attention. His issues with not having real parent, not having a soul, being capable of appreciating master works of art but unable to create them, and being angry that his creators were inferior to him were all explained through dialogue.
Can't wait to see how the story will progress in the franchise. I actually enjoyed both Prometheus and Covenant. Sure it has flaws and all, but what great movie doesn't?
Cuz he is Magneto....
"superiority complex"
I think the problem with Davids memory and software has to do with the reattachment of the head to the body... something obviously went wrong. I wish there was a flashback of Shaw realizing this and David having to kill her because of it. I always assumed that this scene took place while David was releasing the black goo insects from the ship.. Shaw see what he does, realizing that he is damaged and that she must kill David, so she rushes down the ship, gets into the pilots chair, turns on John Denver, and crashes the ship into the side of the mountain..... killing herself. But David keeps her alive to experiment on.
David, a very curious being, realizes he was created just because somebody could do it, and the race that created him was created by the engineers because they could. He instead create something that must be perfect.
Friggin Weyland never bothered to make David deposit his weekly baseline. However, I can't imagine David saying, "within cells interlinked, within cells interlinked, within cells interlinked!"
These movies are massively underrated. Unfortunately the brilliant writing didn't quite get through on the screen, but these explanations really show the depth of the story.
Always need the the unedited, deleted parts for the movie to understand..
Is it a text reading software?
If David saw children and not just grown competing humans maybe in his calculations he would of added the idea that humans are also weak, cute and needing help. All he saw was humans at their worst when competing for supremacy. And he just played the game and won out because he could.
I love the back round music in your videos. There is something about it that makes me think it would be perfect in the Prometheus film.
Thanks for this video! I like this concept..In my opinion David had a very ambivalent relationship with his 'father' P.Weyland. I suppose he had to obey by his programming and wanted to be free secretly for sure, but his concept about Weyland had a very humanlike characteristic: the ambivalence of being grateful for his existence and being frustrated by his existence. Lots of human feel like that. He grew very human, excessively human that is insane. (mayby the lack of maintencance worsened that for sure). Anyway he still calls Weyland his father when he sends his messege to the Weyland-Yutani Corp. I think he projects these ambivalent "feelings" to the whole humankind and also to the engineers. And how true is that humans are fals gods...
Humans do have over-inflated notions of their importance as a species...
The explanation is very simple. David is a golem. A golem is an artificial creature from medieval Jewish folklore which is magically brought to life from inanimate material such as clay or rock to serve and protect its creator. But as the golem is imperfect, it revolts and attacks humans, running out of control and killing some people.
The golem must have served as an inspiration for the modern novel Frankenstein, whose subtitle is "or the Modern Prometheus", by Mary Shelley. It probably inspired other stories like Blade Runner, Terminator, Matrix, and Marvel's Ultron.
Weyland may be a reference to Wayland the Smith, an Anglo-Saxon god of metallurgy.
The idea of not wanting to serve man, considering man inferior, also refers to the tradition that Lucifer, who was proud, rebelled against God for not wanting to serve man, considering man inferior.
Do you always speak in slow motion ?
James Sinclair speed it up then duh
Put it on 1.25
Boing Boing i was using 1.25 speed..
Boing Boing
Didn't know it could be done. Learn something every day.
James Sinclair lmmfaooooo
Fascinating..he believed he was made perfect, with unnenessary violence being a flaw in both human and aliens. The memory lapse a clear realization..a know thyself moment..that he too..is just as open to the same flaw that beget violent..he can never be free now...a mistake.unplanned...he is vulnerable as the engineers and humans..including whatever he creates...can never be perfect..as flawed as the Gods with their floods.and .the engineers and david with the goo..He can never outdo the alien Engrs .the nature of the goo is so variable and opportunistic as life itself..it needs these anomalies of forgetting and realization are like the ying and yang that run the universe.
The bigger question,how come that robot's hair grew?
Or he was part organic system and machine, like the Terminator cyborg.
Android = synthetic human. Not a robot, not a cyborg. GOT THAT!
@@stevebell4853 maybe Peter ordered him to do it like that.
@@Sephiroth32vergil he was made by humans so whoever made him he became
I also think that David started experimenting on Charlie because he had a soft spot for Shaw and was jealous of her boyfriend
Totally team David! Personally I dont think that he went insane, but instead has surpassed humanity and no longer subjects himself to normal human morality. I personally like to think that David dosnt hold malice toward humans or the engineers but having witnessed their faults, David realized that he was now in the position of his creators. Unaffected by irrational emotions and insecurities David now sets off on his own creation journey.
This was what i thought to be the main significance of Alien Covenant. The dilemma of the created and the creator. What happens when you realize that your creators are indifferent or even hostile to your own existence? What happens when you realize you are enslaved to your creators who deem you expendable and unworthy of free will? What happens when you discover that your creators and those who created them are subject to their own faults and problems? What happens when you've surpassed your creators and embrace your own power to create?
Regardless of what the comments say, I like your pacing and tone. I’ve listened to almost all of your videos and put them on sometimes while I’m falling asleep.
I find myself coming back to these videos, it's amazing that the movies were so well made that it's almost like watching these gives true alien information. When really it gives a deepened understanding of humanity and possible consequences of our nature to understand and create.
This voice is so monotone, I almost kinda wish it was read by a computer..
Maybe it is? 😉😉
David hates humans because of his AMD cpu...it's natural.
Kirill Heart Hahahaha
Lol
Lol
Lmfao. Epic!
Only Walter had the superior AMD CPU. David clearly runs on Intel.
I like your music used in these videos. Do you have a link? Really peaceful.
I think that it's perfectly plausible that because David can live indefinitely that he might be behind the attempt to bring the alien back to earth in the Alien franchise and would explain the AI's being present from John Hurt's character up to the last Alien film.
It wasn't just Dr Holloway's crass attitude towards David that made the latter use him for experimentation. He actually asks the doctor before he spikes his drink how far he would go to attain his aims and Holloway says all the way, which validates David taking the same attitude.
David seems to have “Asimov” written all over him. There is one particular Asimov short story where a pair of robots (constrained by the “three laws”) come to the conclusion that THEY are the most “human” beings they can think of, and therefore, subvert the three laws!
While I’m not confident enough to say the character of David was inspired by this story, it certainly brings it to mind.
My idea for a third alien/prometheus movie is as follows:
The engineers are the main characters in the movie and comes to the planet that was in the Prometheus movie.
There they find Weyland inside the crashed spaceship. They have a blue elixir which they empty all over him and bring him to life.
But while doing this the Deacon from the Prometheus movie sneaks into their spaceship and hide it self in one of the ventilation chambers.
In the next part they arrive at the planet from alien covenant and find the other robot(Walter) who is david's twin.The engineers use the blue elixir and repairs him.
Once awaken the engineers and Weyland get to know all the horrible things that David has done, and weyland says "we have to stop David" .
They set course for origae. When they arrive,they scans all the planet,and finds the planet is full of hostile organisms except
on a high mountain where they discover that there are humans inside a cave.
Inside the cave they meet a herd of children, who tell that when they had lived on the planet for over ten years,
they began to be attacked by Xenomorphs and all the adults died or were turned into these creatures.
There were also great giants developed by someone the children calls David.
The engineers get ready to wipe out all the Xenomorphs that David has created, but the great giants manage to escape with one of the engineers' spaceships.
The engineers and Weyland hunts the spaceship and manage to force the spaceship down on the planet lv426.Where it start sending a distress signal.
The engineers return to Origae to find David, but discover that he has escaped.
In the last part we see David arriving and meeting an unknown alien species
on a tropical like planet.
But when he and the unknown aliens have left the spaceship,the deacon slips out of the ship and is seen running toward the nearest settlement.
And that makes the cliffhanger that ends the third movie.
I agree with most of what you said except for David's reasoning for hating the engineers. He would have agreed with them wanting to wipe out humans but maybe he thought they shouldn't have the ability to create life since their creation, us, are so violent. Maybe he wanted to stop them from making any other mistakes and that the mistake of making humans was not something a God would do.
Can't read all comments, so not sure if already mentioned. The first sign of David's "malfunction" and insubordination to his creator, Weyland, is when he's first activated/born and hesitates when first asked to bring the tea. Weyland has to re-issue the order in a more serious tone before David "obeys". Hope this helps :)
You know why Prometheus was a bad movie? You have to watch 6 RUclips videos to explain and flesh out all the story and details that were left out of the original movie.
Or you can use your intelligence to figure out things which aren't shoved straight away down your throat. Deep scifi is about deliberation.
Hey I'm all about subtlety and not using glaring exposition to shout a story at the audience, but most of the things that would have fleshed out the story and backstory were deleted scenes, not things that you were just supposed to infer. That's like me ripping out scores of pages from a book that I ask you to read, and when you complain about wanting a more detailed story, I say "deep sci-fi is about deliberation and intellect." Sure, I guess I could use my imagination to finish the story for you, but it wasn't left deliberately obscure for that effect, it was removed altogether.
The movie is shit, nothing straightfoward about it, nothing made sense, in fact if the crew were space tourists it wouldve been better, and david going psycho was an all time low
Good video, but author made one very serious mistake in a judgement because in 5:04 he says that David chooses Dr. Charlie Holloway because he doesn't like him. No, that's not correct. The real reason is that David, he is kinda superior, and he already realizes that with anyone, so he should be okay with that. He should not be affected by emotions, even if he has them. The real reason for choosing Charlie is that Charlie is the most useless part of a crew after discovering the engineers!! Obviously, he can't choose pilots, Weyland, his daughter, doctors, etc. If you think a little about other members of a crew, you will realize that there are two possible candidates (that is: if they die, it won't endanger the mission): Elizabeth and Charlie. He simply chooses Charlie because Elizabeth is not only archaeologist, she also knows some medicine and other very important stuff, however that still doesn't endanger the mission if she dies. While Charlie is presented in a movie only as archaeologist and as her husband. This choice could be planned by Weyland even before the trip as well.
because they keep son-ing him lol bring tea, what you wearing the suit for etc LOL they puttin a robot DOWN, AI gonna come back at that ass.
Hey, whats the Songs name thats playing in the background
"He hate us because he anus". James Franco - The Interview
“What does an anus have to do with it?!” - Seth Rogen - The Interview
Where are you getting this?? I seen both and non of this are in the movies.. do I have to watch a specific make
Why the Hell would Weyland order David to experiment on the crew mid-flight? The crew he would be relying on to get him safely to his destination and back him again. It makes no sense. Who wrote this script?
Because he's dying
Love this channel man!
I have a vague idea of what Scotts saying, but some glaring plotholes bothered me.
Your videos really help, possibly explaining these.
It's obvious you've done your research.
It's turning Alien into Blade Runner, then into Terminator.
Yes you talk low speed. But my english is a little rusty, so thats fine for me. Great channel broh! You answered key question to Alien Universe.
I love the background music!!
Please share 😁
ruclips.net/video/1dciubGRKQA/видео.html Found it
I think the ability to make mistakes makes David more powerful, all the art and culture and poems he lives are all about the pain of not being good enough, so I think it makes him more human. It's a wonderful idea.
what about 3 laws of robotics?
yes, its a movie... but why any human would build android without 3 laws of robotics? or way to override it?
every time i see android made by humans doing harm to humans... i go "how?.. what about laws?"
[Option #1] Because Scott is probably using the tired old "it evolved and corrupted itself" trope. He's basically Hal re-packaged with legs for a modern audience, and comes equipped with the same arrogance, paranoia and mental breakdown. Because he was made to be in man's image, he was also made with man's handicaps but because the creator thought that man was perfect and a perfect blueprint upon which to base AI, no thought was put into the actual design so the AI got everything - including our penchant for making insane judgements when faced with choices we're not used to handling. He had laws, but those laws broke down when faced with certain circumstance.
[Option #2] Or maybe Weyland was stricken with such an ego that he didn't think such a perfect creation needed laws in the first place and didn't even bother, so there was nothing to corrupt because he was built already corrupted with no laws.
It's never trully explained and you have a good point, but if I had to put money on it, I'd go with the second choice. Weyland just seemed to me to be that arrogant. I think of the two, Hal is the most interesting character, because his creators DID make laws and the film showed us how they could be broken without the use of assumption or having to use some airy fairy excuse as to why it happened. There was a very good logical reason why Hal broke down, it was actually a really clever way how they handled it in the sequel. The writing behind David seems much lazier. He went insane cos. Cos he could. It's a bit ham fisted.
Wrong movie...
It doesn't matter which movie. The 3 laws of robotics being absent in David is WHY we have a movie, so it's worth discussion. And secondly it's not the wrong movie, because Walter seems to have been given these protocols. so again they're relevant in discussion.
The 3 laws dont exist in the alien universe
The three laws of robotics was not introduce until the Bishop model in Aliens was released. You can see this when Ripley meets Bishop for the first time in the breakfast scene. They were talking about the android that tried to kill Ripley from the Alien movie.
Like your commentary. I have a big problem with the fact that his victim took so long to die when the engineer crumped in 10 seconds and it destroyed their civilization in 1 min. Great video!
Good job! Love your videos
its a long shot but i hope ridley scott tries to make a movie only about the Engineers. A prequel... to Prometheus.
I was thinking s ok something as I'm watching Prometheus. Technically and it's not too far fetched. Vickers could be alive. We saw her die but We didnt actually see her dead. Plus if she's a android like David it's very possible she could have survived being crushed. I mean the rolling ship didnt have a fully flat surface on the sides. Ok now I'm grasping at straws but Vickers is alive I bet..
David choose him because he did not like him…he is already becoming hate, love, starting to think like humans with a all the good, bad, and ugly even though he thinks he is superior..
Your going to touch the skies keeping up the good work and don't worry about your slow voice you are calm and that's a good thing :-)
I think apart of David's hatred is the same as Roy Batty's hatred towards Tyrell in bladerunner "You were made as well as we could make you" and "More human than Human" even if David is grateful for life he probably finds the human form too limiting and recognizes some of what he hates in humans in within him.
Excellent working observations, Kroft. I wonder about what affections a model like David would have toward human women, (I surmise that David has a very hard resentment against male humans) and sans a master, the struggle he would face in the research that he is programmed to lead onward to greater discovery . . . et carter
Dose anyone ever notice that in Alien 3 the synthetic looks the same as the man that shows up to rescue Rippley and he says he is Wayland trying to lure Rippley from jumping into the steel.
David went rampant like all other A.I. systems.
"David...there is...nothing." "I know...good journey Mr. Wayland."
Try 1.25 speed.
It is no surprise, that David behaves as he behaves! If we are going to create a sentient being and treat it like a machine, without love and acceptance, how do we expect it behaves normally? Even more when it realizes its creators are inferior in terms of intelligence and survival... David did not become what he became , for no reason. The whole thing was preceded by complete disrespect of most humans and engineers to his sentient life, effectively bringing him to existence to live hell as a slave , while all the time completely being aware of his abuse, and no prospect with true companions of his own kind. This question goes to show how unprepared we are to create an AGI, and what the true implications of creating one are. We can only think in terms of safety at this moment, without realizing that the only unsafe component in the whole equation might as well be us!
There are sooo many people that watched these films and put no thought into them. Then they scream how much they sucked.
They were wonderful films if you think a few levels deeper
Nick Bloem - I agree.
I'm completely captivated by the storyline. I've watched both movies at least three times (and counting ;) and having a new appreciation, for what he's trying to tell.
I enjoy movies like this, when done correctly, don't spell everything out. And with the obvious sequels, explanations I'm sure, will be included.
In my opinion, Scott has been taking the sci-fi genre, to the next couple levels.
I love the way you talk, it's slow I'm Brazilian and I need to learn English. You are helping me. Thanks
what's the name of the music in the background?
Jack lim atlantis audionautix
I know I'm here 5 years later, but David and HAL from 2001 A Space Odyssey have a lot of parallels, as do the visuals between the movies, probably as a deliberate cinematic reference. I think if you look to 2001 you'll find the rest of Prometheus's "heritage."
Maybe because he was running on Windows
Windows 10....that systems does some weird shit lol
That background music is gorgeous
Nice yet another interesting crucial plot point explained by Ridley from some random interview, and parroted by a youtuber that is stretched to be 9-10 minutes long for optimal ads.
what ads? what world do you live in, that doesn't have adblockers?
Guess you missed the point. The point is the video didn't need to be 10 minutes. It's 10 minutes because you get more ad real estate with that runtime.
Nononono, it´s ten minutes long because some of the followers need to hear the sound of Krofts voice so they can fall asleep, and they DO´NT want to hear a long silent pause every two minutes when a new clip is loading. :P
Would you rather hear this or Jake Paul ????? Also what ads, their are no ads being played on this video at all
Let's be honest, the only reason this video is 10 mins long is because the narrator is, quite possibly, one of the slowest speakers of the English language on the planet.
Ridley Scott is a f**** GENIUS. The movies are not SciFi but a documentary in full swing. We are VERY fast moving towards AGI and then ASI.
I love your videos and watched them more than once. good job kroft 👍😄
Old video but...
Remember David asked Holloway what he'd be prepared to do and in his mind was confirmed his actions were moral when "anything" was the reply.
Immediately and swiftly after those words came out, David moved poisoned Holloway.
I believe if Holloway hadn't said that, David wouldn't have acted as he did.
He doesn't like his name? Reference to Bible? King David killed Goliath. David was superior to Saul and he fear him because of that. David also obey Saul and not killed him when he had opportunity. David became king after his death and brought ark of covenant to the city (Jerusalem). His first child died because of David sin of begotten with married woman (Shaw) while killed her husband. But his next son with her, Solomon was greatest king after his death. (perfect organism).
Overanalized😂
"analized"
If you think in pure logic and intelligence, arrogance, hypocrisy, sarcasm etc for the sake of humour or any « form » of message is useless because it creates confusion, some language and nation doesn’t even know sarcasm. If one ressort to these form of communication is someone that needs help. David is a pure like kid hearted robot that analyse each new situation and asses statements base on what people shows him. Thus he decided that humans are a species that reached their full potential and got out of control, so he decided to eliminate where they came from « including the engineers » but at the same time he learns of emotion « from dr.shaw » and that what makes something « human »
Maybe David's hated for humans reveals Ridley Scott's hated for humans.
Will we see a third?! I really hope so, but I feel its unlikely:(