LATE ROTATION? Canadian North 737-200 FULL TAKEOFF From Yellowknife
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Back in July 2019, I flew on one of Canadian North's Boeing 737-200s, C-GOPW, for the last time on a day trip between Edmonton and Yellowknife with some good friends of mine.
In honour of OPW's recent retirement from Canadian North, I wanted to share this takeoff footage, which has some of the best JT8D engine sounds I've ever heard, not to mention a pretty long takeoff roll!
Enjoy the sights and sounds of this 737-200, making a late rotation off of runway 16 at YZF, on a particularly muggy day!
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FLIGHT INFORMATION
Airline: Canadian North (MPE/5T)
Aircraft: Boeing 737-275(C) (B732)
Flight Number: 5T445
Seat: 4A
Livery: Old
Engines: 2x JT8D-17
Registration: C-GOPW
Route: Yellowknife (YZF) - Edmonton (YEG)
Callsign: EMPRESS 445 (rip)
Runway used: 16
Date filmed: July 2019
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As much as I wish this were recent, this was filmed back in July 2019. I never did upload the full takeoff footage with my trip report of this flight, so please enjoy the JT8D music!
It was excellent..I love the screaming engines of the 732 and 727..Do you also have the landing? THey do a great spool-up, idle and then thrust-reverse that's a killer?
Какой древний двигатель у него 😳😳😳😳
This boeing 737-100
In case anyone is wondering, that tube extending forward from underneath the engine is a vortex dissipater. These prevent a vortex forming at the engine intakes which could cause gravel to be ingested by engine. These consist of a small forward projecting tube which blows pressure regulated (55psi) engine bleed air down and aft from 3 nozzles at the tip to break up the vortices.
And this is the reason 737-200s are still in use in Northern Canada. They're the only models to offer this feature. The nose wheel also has a gravel deflector behind it, essentially a kind of mud flap.
why arent these used on the 777 and 787?
@@MattCampbelification Those planes are way too big and heavy to land on a gravel strip.
@@MattCampbelificationMost gravel airstrips are too short to support those planes, as they usually land at airports such as Heathrow or JFK, where the runways are paved. Basically, there’s no demand for a gravel kit on those planes.
False! It’s a magical wizard rod that allows the plane to achieve light speed just like the Scientologists said their DC-8’s had on them. Wake up you guys.
Reminding of the good ol days with Bahamasair. We have a 2 mile runway and our old 200s still used to struggle 🥴
Have you flown on air Bahama Intl dc-8 ? Refuel at Shannon arriving from Luxemburg, great souvenirs
I loves those planes and the 500s, too bad they're gone 😕
@@christoohunders5316 I can assure that the cells used to bring me into existence didn't even exist yet when air Bahama was a thing. 🤭
@@md-80enjoyer95 500s still around with cargo
Bro i just was thinking this watching this🥴🤣
That JT8D sound 😍
The GLORIOUS sound of the JT8D!
JT8D in MD80s is way way better than this
@@phungminhlong9168 I prefer this because it’s louder but that is awesome too
Absolutely fantastic sound! Loved the bonus footage of the Electra that we didn't get to see in the trip report as well!
You looked like a mentour pilot subscriber 😅
I love the sound of those engines. Brings me back to flying USAir shuttle flights.
….. or US Airways Metrojet!
@@jeffreygosselin1143 Good call! Shuttle was the 727. I was pretty young and forgot there was the metrojet too.
This reminds me of my childhood, since I used to fly on Boeing 737-200 back then with Sriwijaya Air. When I hear that roaring sound during take-off, that window view of the tiny engine, ahh just like the good old days…
lol, as a kid the "vrooom" sound surprised me and i thought the engine would explode lol. other airlines at the time were either using -300 or -400
Love the 737-200! Thanks so much Alex for the TV series featuring Buffalo Air.
My last 737-200 flight. Was HOU-DAL-AMA. Early 2005 SWA. My younger brother and sister and i were on it. Sitting in the seats facing each other. I told them to enjoy it. Because it would be the last time any of us would be in a 200. By summer they all were gone. They both loved the loud jet engines and clamshell reversers. What a treat! And a great flight.
lovely old fashioned Boeing sound similar to what you would hear on a 707 - last time I flew on a 737 200 was on Canadian/Canadien between YYC and YVR leaving Calgary in sub -20c conditions many years ago pre 2000
Those JT8D’s sound amazing at takeoff power. Music to my ears!
Awesome footage! What an incredible sound!
Nice to see you here!
I like the brief shot of the Buffalo Airways L-188 during your taxi. Reminds me of my favorite reality show rebroadcast on the Weather Channel here in the U.S.
Arguably the best show WC ever aired. Much better IMV than _Storm Stories_ .
@@brucesmith9144 ... Agreed! There are so few reality shows to keep us aviation enthusiasts entertained. Thank god for RUclips (and channels like this one).
Normal rotation in my experience they were using reduced thrust to save engine wear. 100% normal procedure
With a slight tailwind as well
Nope - listen to the engines. Not a reduced thrust takeoff at all. I'd wager somewhere around 2.10-2.15-ish EPR range. Not firewalled by any means but not really in the "reduced power range," either. In fact it's pretty typical. The video description makes it pretty clear that it was a muggy July day, however.
God I miss those whines of the JT8D.
How 'bout the Hell Sirens of the Ju-87 Stukas?
Stunning capture! May I feature this late takeoff in one of my next episodes? Of course again with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Notice the gravel kits on engines for gravel airstrips; nice video
Gravelkit lol, not the dispensers
Only been on 2 flights of a -200 and loved them. The sound of JT8D's was music to my ears, and seeing the thrust reverse 'bucket' in action was so cool!
I remember working these as a flight attendant for United. It was so funny that we had to hold our ears for takeoff as those jt8s would howl!! But a great plane! We used to fly them into all the smaller towns and cities across the US , Canada and Mexico. The good ole days!😝👍🏽
what a nice experience, thank you 😊
I was there when UA first flew the -100 into PHF. Some 'genius' in marketing decided it would be a great idea to configure the A/C 24F/67Y . At least they replaced the DC-6 & Viscount in the small station market. Sometimes had to make an enroute fuel stop PHF-ORD due to fuel requirements at ORD.
@@lakewoodil I’m still in the game and the airlines are still making stupid decisions! Lol!
@@leazer44 So I hear. UA merged with CO, and CO apparently won!
@@lakewoodil Oh Yes ! Lol
I experienced a takeoff like that once. It was on board a fully-loaded 737 from Toronto to Montreal, and was with the now-defunct carrier Canadian Airlines. It seemed we were rolling for so long, and eating up so much runway, that toward the end of the run people were starting to whisper nervously amongst themselves, as in, "Are we ever going to get off the ground?" A moment later, there was a discernible rise in engine pitch (more power applied), then we abruptly rotated and I looked down just to see the end of the runway passing beneath us. I suspect to this day it was a case of incorrect initial thrust settings for the payload we were carrying. Needless to say, it was quite uncomfortable while it was happening!
As a toilet in Venezuela I understand
@@Snowy-oq4ur as a roll of toilet paper in Venezuela i understand.
Great video Alex,
I am from Cambridge Bay,Nunavut one of 2 remaining stops for the B732 currently operating 6 days a week. I am very fortunate to work around this beautiful aircraft.
Keep up the amazing videos/photos.
In 1989, I flew C-GSPW from Yellowknife to Resolute. The take off roll was VERY slow and the plane,with the front fully loaded with cargo was visibly working hard to hard to slowly gain altitude. No quick rise near vertical for noise abatement such as when leaving large cities :-). When I saw your video with you boarding front door, I knew your take off would be quite normal :-)
Beautiful! Nice memories! My last 737-200 flight was in August 2000...
Mine April 1986
Excellent video. I'd love to visit Yellowknife Airport because there are many historic aircraft there. ✈
This plane is a legend
Hey, I have a suggestion: Flair announced that they would begin services from Grande Prairie (CYQU) to Vancouver and Toronto. Inaugural flight is planned in August (idk exact date). I was wondering if you could do a trip report type of vlog as personally I would find it interesting being a resident of Grande Prairie.
I remember flying the -200s back in the 70s. An experience.
What a sound those JT8D's make In my opinion 737 200 is the best model 👌
5:52 wonder why they took off with a tailwind?
Every plane as a value with how much tailwind it can still take off. But you're right this was really close to the 1000 feed marking on the run way.
~3kt tailwind isn't enough to negatively affect performance and allowed them to fly a more direct route (taking off to the south vs. having to climb northbound and wait for radar vectors), saving fuel.
Tailwind limitation is 10 knots for take-off or landing. Slight tailwind taken into account in take-off performance calculations. Yes, performance calculations are done before every take-off. Nothing to worry about.
It is always a treat to go flying with you. It would have been nice to see the inflight service food/beverage service and what happened to your ending music?
My Dad Captained that frame for PWA and Canadian. I have flown on it many times all over Canada.
Ken was a very calm, competent, pitot. Good man. (Steve Hughes Flight Dispatch TZ,PW,Cdn,AC)
@@stevehughes4400 Thankyou sir. A professional he was indeed
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ahh the baby 8's sound of little fan blades beating in the tubes. As to why still flying, Canada allows the stage 3 noise in remote locations and these airframes were under utilized early in life so they haven't reached their 75,000 hour limits yet?
Oh wow
Never heard of that kind of buzzsaw but it sounds good!
Even though they aren't as fuel efficient as the CFM56, I love the JT8D engines.
737-200s still fly today!? The engine is so small and funny looking!!
Yep! At my home in Toronto 737-200s come almost every week! Ive captured them before
A Lockheed Electra flying. Did not know they were any left
Flying with Buffalo Airways
Thank you Alex. Great video of a work horse of the aviation industry
Western, Delta, United, Continental, U.S. Air, South West, & America West. I've experienced flights with the 737-200's with all 7 of those carriers back in the day. So retien then, now I miss them.
Ahhh, I love the animation of the "Wing Flex"! I love to see them!
I have been wanting to go up to the northern provinces for a long time now, unfortunately, with the situation, it's not feasible. Thank you for the great upload!
3:24 & 3:45 This fly got a free ride on a Canadian North B732
It's not the rotation that is late it is the runway which is short. ;-)
True! This! ^^^
Without seeing the ASI or knowing the Vr it looked absolutely normal. 737-200 is an amazing machine.
The "8D" in the JT8D label represents my smile 8D
If you could a same video with a B727 I would be really grateful for it. B727 reminds me my best childhood years
Bob - what airlines did you fly on and when?
Reminds me of the old SouthWest Airline days when they only flew within Texas.
the runway alone is already frightening
Damn that was a very long roll given YZF doesn't have the longest of runways. Looks like you only had a positive rate of climb about 300 m from the end of the runway. Only 6 days of 737-200C ops left at Canadian North. May 6, 2023 is the final curtain call. Aircraft is supposed to ferry YZF-YEG on the 7th for retirement.
Flying a commercial jet with fighter jet engines (low-bypass instead of high bypass) minus their afterburners, that's wicked cool.
The runway is over 7500 ft long. Longer than LGA's runways in NYC.Maybe the crew did a flex (reduced power) take off?? Remember Alaska Airlines use to fly 737-200's into Dutch Harbor when it had a 3900 ft runway.Now that would have been exciting....
Nope - by the pitch of the fan it sounded like it was somewhere in the 2.10 - 2.15-ish EPR range.
Alaska sure did fly the 737 out of PADU - but I'm going to guess that it was a weight-restricted takeoff (translation: not a lot of load and not a lot of fuel, so the next stop better be close and have a longer runway) and I'm also going to guess that a tradeoff was more flaps. More flaps means you can get off the ground sooner, but it also means more drag and less speed, which means reduced performance in the second segment climb. Not a huge issue with a light load over open water.
Most people don't realize that the goal is to use as little flap and as much runway as is feasible because every little bit of extra energy helps the climb performance that much more. I'd imagine that a 73S departing LGA in the middle of July would probably be a little more weight-restricted than one departing Yellowknife, and I'd also bet that they'd still do their best to use as much of the runway as they could get away with.
Anyway... I don't think this rotation was particularly late, I think the camera field of view makes it seem like the airplane was still on the ground when it wasn't. The plane was airborne by the aiming points (1,000 feet to the end of the runway). I also think it was a fairly shallow initial climb (which makes sense in July).
The margins are definitely a lot easier to make with modern high-bypass engines - but they're just not as charming, are they?
Marvellous happy memories
Nice C-17 in the background
Definitely more forwards than upwards… looks exciting!
Oh, the good old engine screams of the 200 series lol. Great plane, but soooo loud!
Looked her up she still flying today🙏
737-100 and 737-200 engine looks like the napkin rolls
I loved this aircraft
Oh the sound of that good ol' JT8D-15 just screamin' away..........at idle....🤣... I DO NOT miss working on those old engines...The wire harnesses on those things were alway soaked in engine oil... If it wasn't leaking oil, that means it was out of oil...😂... JT8D's made more noise than they did power... I have a few pieces of turbine blades that were blown out the back end of one motor that suffered a compressor stall during maintenance engine run ups... they make good paper weights for my paperwork and great conversation starters... Damn 737-200's couldn't move out of there own way when the plane was loaded, but took off like a rocket empty (two pilots, two mechs, one insp) for test flights... Man those test flights were awesome!!!
C-GOPW uses the more powerful JT8D-17, not the -15.
@@viscount757 "more powerful" technically you are correct, but really... should say a just a slight bit more powerful...
-15's run Max Thrust @ 15,550 lbf. -17's run Max Thrust between 16,000-16,400 lbf.
Either way, JT8D's still make more noise than power...🤣
@@Flyby-1000 Many early model 737-200s with the lowest thrust JT8Ds regularly operated off 5,000 foot runways in Canada.
@@viscount757 Ok..........good to know...
@@viscount757 Nordair used to fly them in/out of runways made on frozen lakes
Nothing wrong with the rotation. AC lifted off 1400 feet from the end, and rotation began about 2500 feet from the end, based on the runway markings. Everything legal respecting balanced field length.
Nah well late,the end of the runway passed shortly after it was barely off the ground
I used to work on that aircraft at Canadian Airlines
C-17 Globemaster casually in the background 😂😂😂😂
Late rotation due to taking off with the wind instead of into it. Check the wind sock at the start of the roll. Also the Buffalo Lockheed that he waited on before joining the runway was taking off into the wind. Interesting!!!
Tailwind takeoff. Look at the windsock at the beginning of the take-off roll
Wow Buffalo's Electra! Great catch Alex!
Nice one, don't see many planes with gravel kits.
If money were no object I wonder if Boeing would build a brand new 737-200 for a private customer. I'd buy one if I ever hit the lottery lol
Windsock just after the beginning of the takeoff roll looks to indicate a 8-10kt tailwind.
Jt8d beautifull sound
Summer temperature and short runway. Rotate looked fine to me.
It seems North of the border is where classic airliners don't quite retire; look a Lockheed Electra too.
Man, what a treat. I worked for USAir, and this was one bird I hated to see retire. Thanks for sharing, and yes... def a late rotate ;o)
What a beauty
Was it normal in Canada that the pilot would introduce the onboard meal of the flight?
It’s like the saying goes: if your having a bad day that’s when you know your plane will do a late rotaté hahaha
Cool video!
That buzzsaw!
Spectacular video!
Fun fact.
The Skyhawk fighter jet uses the same engine as a bieing 737 200!!!
LATE ROTATION?!!! CRASH?!! 😱😱😱😱.
Alternative title
Those tiny engines are so loud!
Wow.....Great Slave Lake is very large.....
The 200s are pretty much the workhorses of the north because they can actually use the gravel and rugged runways.
Textbook takeoff roll in a combi! 😂
I enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.
Fantastic! !!! I miss the -200s
I have flown on CN.
I think some of those planes are almost as old as me. (edit late 50's)
Some don't just have 'doublers' but 'triple' patches.
Always wanted a Canadian North Curiously Canadian souvenir.
Then they became seriously northern.
What's that bar thing under the engine?
Not that close but I can see how people would be alarmed. The tail wing would have stretched the run out so its expected. Nice catch withe C17 and Buffalo L 188.
I miss flying the old 200 from when I live in Whitehorse flying to Vancouver and back 2 or 3 times a week back in the 70s and 80s. You even git propper food in real dishes with real cutlery vack then. Chicken flying to Vancouver and steak to Whitehorse.
Impressive but not that late!!!! IL62 in Macedonia, performs a later rotation 🙃🙃🙃
Check out the vodka burner! ;)
You mean NORTH Macedonia right ?
@@andrewpitt7742 CC
Amo Esse Clássico ❤❤❤
Those leading edge slats looked a bit dodgy, I've never seen that much play in them. The one just outboard of the engine seems to catch and the end of its travel. 01:42
Is that a massive burp I hear in the background at 5:50 ?
Flex T/o, HGW, Tailwind no ICP proceedure. Liftoff point was ok but 1st segment pref degraded by Tailwind.
Best and fastest model
B 737-100 737-200
This maybe be an over full plane.
DID YOU KNOW!!!!
Some fighter jets use the same engine as the boeing 737 200 and the boeing 727 trijet going 8000 rpm
If this video is supposed to be a take off clip, why is there so much level flight recorded?
Nice CF Globemaster as well. I am curious, what is that probe for on the engine inlet ?
It’s what’s called a gravel kit and it means it helps from rocks dirt etc from getting in the engine
Vortex disapator, it is used for gravel runway operations, it ejects engine bleed air to disrupt any vortex generated by the engine intake that could suck in debris
Sounds like folker 100❤