Side Note: Didn’t include this in the rules not including Nagato/Itachi/Madara or any of the Edo Hokage for obvious reasons + have other vids on those characters.
Something about Zabuza and Haku that I could totally see happening is the two of them ending up as the only survivers of the battle field, at this point Haku would offer up his life to Zabuza and tell him to cut him down. However, Zabuza is human now and with tears in his eyes, he would cut himself instead and sacrifice himself for Haku, just like Haku did for him back in part 1. Not really a power scaling related note, but if this was a spinoff written by Kishimoto, I could definitely see this going down.
@@too_official6194You really are slow aren't you? What part of "not power scaling" do you not get? Just because it's a power scaling video doesn't mean anything. Even in the video they took account of factors besides power scaling. OP said nothing about them winning or even being stronger than anybody else. It was just a Haku vs Zabuza scenario.
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Pakura’s Scorch Style ability hard counters all of the reanimated Mist Swordsmen, Zabuza, Haku and Mangetsu who is made of water since she can just instantly evaporate him turning him into steam. The Scorch orbs hovering around Pakura prevents any shinobi to get close to her.
@@ThunderGodTG is not her fault that her village betrayed her and the fact that rasa orchestrated it makes it even worse not to mention she Died young also the fact that she is one of the strongest shinobi in the sands village's history.
@@kristopherdorsey8561 do you know why the Hidden Rain village wanted her dead because : Pakura was the first user of the Scorch Release and from her creat a Clan of Scorch Release user enhancing the Sand village power level On why Rasa accepted to sacrifice her it's because the village can't last long term wars they don't have the money supplie so they needed a way to end the war quickly
@@ilhanovic5219 yea instead of finding a stray cat for a mission we could had 7 swordsman kinda like the Akatsuki but they would be after something else.
Y'all sleeping the 3 Raikage. Keep in mind that it was kabuto who was in control of the 3rd throughout that whole flight. Basically he was just spamming attacks
For Muu vs Gengetsu, I just view it as Gengetsu being a near perfect counter to Muu. I mean, how's Muu gonna hit someone with particle style if he can't detect them? I believe Gengetsu's genjutsu might be potent enough to be above Muu's sensory perception. That's the explanation that makes the most sense for why they stalemated in my eyes.
@@HC-gm4foLmao I can totally see them both just saying fck it and just going home after a full day of shinobi hide and seek lol. And everyone just assumed that they both stalemated each other after a long hard fought battle when really they just got fed tf up with looking for each other 😂😂😂
Mu just hides in the background, untraceable and invisible, watching and enjoying the chaos. Then once the last shinobi stands, he shouts "Atom Man!", hero music starts playing and he flies into the sky, shooting Jinton at the last enemy. Duh Duh Duh! Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh! Oh wait, that might be the Star Wars theme...
If we talking about all edo tensei I think tobirama win this since he created edo tensei ofc he will know how to seal them,and since no one control him he can just speed blitz everyone and seal them, except for people who have sensory type/fast reaction time like raikage 2nd tsuchikage Itachi and madara, But tobirama knows how to counter Uchiha, Just reminder that tobirama fought against alive madara+sage mode hasirama in the war ofc if both of them alive, Tobirama will lose but in edo tensei i think Tobirama win this The biggest problem is minato and hasirama,without kyubi minato will lose mid diff but since in edo Tensei he had kyubi, i think it will go 60:40 just because Tobirama know how edo Tensei works And for hasirama same thing like madara if they alive Tobirama will lose but in edo tensei Tobirama will win
47:30 just wanna say, even if deidara is not faster than hebi Sasuke he still can react and answer to his attacks. But people tend to forget that Deidara also escaped Team Guy without having arms so… he’s still fast IMO
I think it's a bit of a bias and head canon from you to just dismiss the 2nd mizukage stalemating Mu to just him beating a fissioned version if Mum Mu's sensory might be good but there is no statement backing up the fact that he can sense the clam. For all we know, the mizukage could not see him and Mu couldn't find him so they could have eventually taken each other out after a long battle of attrition. The downplay is wild
Yes Gengetsu should not be that far off from Mu. Saying that they both taken each other out was a clear way to show that they are in same league. The problem comes from the fact that Mu was hyped in a LOT of way. The Gokage was like "yeah, this guy is different, Ônoki must go on the battlefield", the army chose to engage Mu first because they thought he was the strongest, and he was some sort of a favorite of Kabuto (considering he consistenly directly used Mu). In comparaison, from where did Gengetsu cames from ? From a comparaison with Mu ! The Gokage wasn't scared in the slightest by him, no intervention of Naruto was needed, his abilities were handle more easier than Mu''s. Gengetsu's portrayal is supposed to put him at the level of Mu, and Mu's portrayal is supposed to put him ahead of the level of Gengetsu, if that makes sense.
I would still give it to Kimimaru because the Hanzo that was brought back was not the one with all the lore backing. Plus even with the poison Kimimaru can travel underground and do a bone field with is arguably the largest AoE attack only contested by Hanzo’s poison most, but Kimimaru’s ability to materialize in any of the bones is such haxx it Carrie’s him pretty far.
@@blackche1580 doesn’t matter no other beast did and also he was not being “pressed” Naruto and bee were getting wash guy and kakashi had only just arrived
@@imverygerby sure they were obito wasnt even able to hit naruto until the 3 tails stunned him and also kokou got out of his control when kakashi and guy arrived
Great video and shoutout to Virhtue for great analysis. You guys knew what u were talking about. I will say Deidara scales to Hebi Sasuke in speed and that’s not debatable. There’s a lot of things that go into speed and so if he was able to fight him and react that’s enough to say he’s relative but slower. That’s how Naruto fights work there’s physical speed, run speed, attack speed, jutsu speed, jutsu casting times, etc. I know it might be a little glazing but my boy Deidara is on that speed level just if we take in all the factors, otherwise it wouldn’t have been an even fight, especially because he’s not a tanky fighter like Gaara or someone who got blitzed by Lee but had durability to tank the speed blitzes. So Deidara has to be fast to some degree because otherwise he would have just been stabbed due to not being tanky. He’s just not a hand to hand guy that’s all Kishimoto was going for. Think about it like this: Sasuke has a knife, Deidara has a gun, put it’s in his holster. There are certain ranges where having the knife is more effective and faster naturally because it’s too many motions to draw the gun aim and shoot. So when they first fought, he dodged, he pulled out the gun in time, and he flew up. We know Sasuke is faster but there’s nothing saying he’s not relative especially considering Deidara isn’t hand to hand and literally fights with bombs that can’t be used close. That’s just a difference in styles. They are still relative.
I don’t think people give Edo itachi enough credit he has one of the most op abilities a Edo can have he didn’t live long or use Tsukuyomi in Edo for a reason
Idk man I think haku would probably freeze mangetsu I mean if he liquifies his body via water why do we assume he doesn’t freeze under Haku’s ice release if he’s within Haku’s mirrors?
I mean Hiyashi is shocked by Neji because he wasn’t taught the techniques by the main branch but was talented to take what he had and discover them on his own
Mangetsu wa the last edo to stay, like Kimimaro. It's a feat and a clear indication of the author about his abilities, he was absolute elite. So imagine him with many swords in his hand, like Hiramekarei or Samehada... This guy was kage level, like Kisame
I think it would be super cool if they had that final fight of Mu vs Haku, where haku has to keep darting around and avoiding damage while whittling down a guy that can one shot and is around the same level of speed
20:53 my theory on Muu vs Gengetsu is that they both had perfect intel on each other from past battles and gengetsu stalled Muu by hiding in cover(maybe under water) and using the steam boy and constant ranged genjutsu to fuck with muu. Gengetsu can’t see muu. Muu revels himself when he has to attack. so if gengetsu keeps putting mirages out, he’ll see where Muu is attacking from. Muu can normally sense where people are, so gengetsu must have hid in something. For example He hides in the gold pyramid and lets the steam imp do the work. Muu bothered to tell Onoki about it so we know the imp was the offence used against him. So yeah I’d say since gengetsu is from the same water people clan as sugetsu, and his summoning is an aquatic creature, he was probably hiding underwater where Muu would reveal himself/be at a disadvantage if he followed. It would make sense gengetsu forced muu to split and killed a half, which made him think he died together with muu. But really muu tricked him, but if one half dies, muu ultimatley dies some time after.
Edo Itachi with his Susanoo’s Totsuka Blade was extremely OP sealing Nagato instantly after stabbing him. Itachi himself could solo a majority of the reanimated shinobis with the exception of Madara and Hashirama.
You're not looking at it the right way if he was trying to win Itachi wouldnt just seal them he would control everyone he could and use them against those two if he doesnt get Hashirama with Genjutsu too that is
Gengetsu’s clam cannot be sensed it can only be found by touch. It’s found in the data book and the Naruto wiki. So the argument that Mu can just sense out Gengetsu is wrong.
It’s never stated it can’t be sense in the databook, but I will agree it’s not the strongest argument. It should be possible since Munis a step above any sensors in that unit, especially with the Steam Imp noted to give Mu trouble.
@@ThunderGodTG so there is a panel where there was clearly a sensor ninja within the group of people who fought against him. It was not until after the clam was destroyed that the ninja was able to find him hiding behind the rock. It was in the panel with onoki explaining how Jocki boy works. So kinda proves my point that while the clams jutsu is activated sensory techniques do not work. I would post the panel but I can’t post a photo in the comments I think it was page 28 or something but it definitely is in the manga showing he cannot be sensed while the clams jutsu is activated.
Yeah so that would legit just go back to show that the clam can't be sense by regular sensors, there's tiers to it. Not all sensors are = some are far better like Mu. An example of this being applied is when Mu used Fission none of them sense him as well. It's very clear the regular shinobi sensors in the alliance. I'm opposed to the clam not being able to sensed, it just should be noted Muu and other notable shinobi are far above the run of the mill sensors in the alliance.
@@ThunderGodTG they where not actively looking to see if he was still around none of them where trying to find him because they all saw his other half get sealed. Also it’s his ability to make himself disappear. I’m not saying he’s not an incredible sensory type ninja. However your theory that the clam can be sensed by muu is pure speculation where as I have concrete evidence that shows Gengetsu and the clam cannot be sensed while his jutsu is activated. 🤷🏼♂️
A couple things I super hard disagree with but, regardless we can just agree to disagree since I’d prefer not to half a paragraph war, so we’ll just keep it moving.
Would you ever consider a hypothetical video on what would itach do if Sasuke was killed by deidara? What would hod next move be and how would that change the series going forward considering all his plans had to do with his brother being alive
Hey man big fan but I think everything you said about gengetsu isn’t accurate 1. How can he be less powerful then Mu if Mu himself considered Gengetsu a worthy rival, it even states that they battled multiple times until they killed each other but yet you still say he’s more powerful they’re both equal 2. Nothing proves nor states that Mu was able to sense gengetsu and his clam.In the fourth division they had sensory type ninjas and they couldn’t even find the clam, even Mu states that Onoki had sensory skills but it just wasn’t as proficient as mu was so therefore they couldn’t sense where the real clam and gengetsu were 3. You’re assuming that the steam imp is just as fast as the particle style which there is no proof to prove it. we can see other wise onoki being there with gaara didn’t even use particle style to get rid of the steam imp, even Onoki states that the steam imp is what gave Mu trouble every time they fought. Gaara with Onoki fighting mu wasn’t impressed by mu speed or reaction speed but when the steam imp came along gaara was very quick to state how fast it was and how in order to beat it he needed to slow it down. I can see why it gave Mu trouble every time, you have a oil/water clone that is super fast and It grows and grows continuously until it explodes and it does this infinitely
Hey appreciate the support I'll preface by saying we covered Gengetsu in our Gokage vs Gokage vid so I'd def recommend checking that out. 1. We never said he was more powerful but, were leaning into the idea his arsenal was more suited, I also mention at the end of the section that they do take each other out. 2. This is fair enough 3. The Steam Imp is actually objectively slower than Particle Style as it's able to be blocked by Gaara's Sand consistently or is just blatantly faster. The Steam Imp point could also be in reference to the AOE effect of the Steam Imp or Steam Imp + Clam Combo, but regardless Particle Style actually does display better feats being more comparable to Kyuubi Naruto which the Steam Imp hasn't displayed as Gaara was capable of blocking the explosions. Gaara also had seen Particle Style before + was witnessing the Steam Imp for the first time so it makes more sense he'd just make an observational statement that it's fast. The thing is with Mu is that he couldn't just spam particle style like he was doing as Edo so it'd make more sense why he'd struggle with it a lot while being alive. I will say part of the reason we just didn't go into depth here is I went into full length on all of the Gokage in this video ruclips.net/video/Mf4U7CniSLo/видео.html and did not want to just rehash points, but I will say I prob should have spent more time on Gengetsu like some people have mentioned.
Rasa stalemates a Gaara that is stronger than when he beat Deidara. Deidara is somewhat relative to Hebi Sasuke, Hebi Sasuke is stronger than the Taka Sasuke that fought Bee. Bee is obviously stronger than Gyuki by himself. The 3rd Raikage's claim to fame is fighting and stalemating Jinchurikiless Gyuki, which means you could say Taka Sasuke is stronger than the 3rd Raikage. With this chain of logic it shows that Rasa is stronger than the 3rd Raikage.
I'll probably go with Itachi, they are immortals that can fight as long as they will need to so Itachi’s sealing he used on Nagato would be perfect. Or Madara, I feel like he would simply just absorb their energy, and stick them with his sage rods.
I feel like by the war arc, Hiashi only has experience over Neji and Hinata, and a much larger chakra pool than Hinata. Actually, there is someone who's got a better chance at winning than Mu. The demon himself, Madara.
This is only really a discussion if you leave out Madara, Nagato and Itachi, and the reanimated hokage Cuz otherwise it's Madara or Hashirama. and if tnoth them. Tobirama, Itachi, Minato or Nagato. And those are characters we've seen discussed more than enough.
If we are barring madara from this, then itachi. Since he’d have a way to seal most of these guys. If madara is included then I think would take the cake
I think deidara has a better chance of winning round 2 then you give him credit for as long as he’s not the main focus of haki off rip. Shit like c3 and c4 are very broken.
Just a heads up, I haven’t watched tje video. Just saying beforehand that if the winner isn't Itachi or Nagato then I'll need some serious convincing on thos one. They are the only edo shinobi with techniques that can permanently put down other edo shinobi.
At the 2nd part,have to disagree hard. I haven't seen this big an undersale of Sasori since the "But he lost to Sakura"-people Did you both forget Sasori doesn't need a puppet to win since he can literally manipulate things w mass with his chakra strings? If Deeidara's bonds can be touched without them exploding,he can throw them back,or he can latch himself unto the bird. Etc.
Deidara could quite literally detonate the birds at any time during that along with having extensive knowledge on Sasori’s abilities. Sasori quite literally has none of his abilities and is beyond nerfed as an Edo, there’s nothing to undersale because he’s a fragment of his FP
Do you think Kakazu was apart of the Kekka and Gekkaku squad that killed Tobirama 😂😂😂😂 i mean if its for money Kakazu is in. Also Dan is probably the winner. But that's his stupid power. However he's kinda a cry baby. So I'd say both brothers count as winners and move on cause they wouldn't fight.
@@McLightning95 Thats what we dont know. There are theories that he died on the Battlefield but also that he died of old age issues. There are many theories
Madara would win because I am of the opinion that Madara was trying to distract Hashirama from Juubito and intentionally holding back and when he got serious he just busted out of the deity gates besides we never got to see the full fight being distracted by Juubito anyway Madara did place several of those black rods in Hashirama’s back and cracks were in his face so I am of the opinion that Madara would win and is the Strongest Reanimation.
When Madara was fighting Hashirama in that fight he said he was gonna take his sage mode from him so that he can deal with Obito. Madara seemed confident that he could deal with 10 tails obito
@@spit-fire you responded with that just to be a smart ass. But my meaning is they were saying if deidara takes flight hes clearing that first fight. But if Sasori gets a hold of him before then he loses his advantage
Particul style is too upscaleed here. Madara's 3rd stage Susanoo was literally standing in the middle of biggest Particul style ever made from combined 4 Kage, without sustaining a single scratch. Then Madara transformed Susanoo to the final stage and said I actually rivals the Biju, which also means in durability. I don't think it's doing anything to the Bijus at all.
The Perfect Susanoo is vastly above the other Bijuu and is shown as a rival to the Nine Tails which is also ~ to the Wooden Golem. There is no way to argue the Bijuu scale remotely close in durability aside from the Kyuubi. Madara’s 2nd Stage Susanoo was literally fighting the 8 Tails it’s just not possible to say anything 1-8 scales to the PS. Power also does not = durability, he could literally just be meaning destructive capability.
@@ThunderGodTG The stage that resist the Biggest particle style ever made wasn't Perfect Susanoo. It's just a stage before. Also, Mu is not capable of that level of Particle style. You really upscaled particle style too much here.
The V3 has never once shown a resistance to the Susanoo, are you referring to the Tsunade amped version? That one shot 25 V3 Susanoo? The only other version was the pre PS that was outside the range of the Jinton attack
That's only perspective on the panel Ch.589 where the Susanoo is standing the Jinto Cube's effect is nowhere near it's feat. Madara also exits the Particle Style in the chapter beforehand continues to move out as the whole strategy was predicated on forcing him to absorb the jutsu, so not only that is he 's not even inside the technique when he initiates the Susanoo which further supports what I just said, so this line of reasoning is incorrect.
they unrated the mizukage tbh like we know he and mu actually killed each other in their fight but they didnt bring that up once and mu isnt faster than KCM dafuck he got hit by planetary rasengan point blank maybe his attack speed but he isnt
Side Note: Didn’t include this in the rules not including Nagato/Itachi/Madara or any of the Edo Hokage for obvious reasons + have other vids on those characters.
Good choice, makes things more interesting✌🏾
Could you do an all out battle of all villages (except konoha ofc)
Wouldn't edo deidara be able to just C-0 over and over therby beating everyone😂
27:22 yal sleeping on asuma he got beat by hax
Edo Hokage + Itachi, Madara and Nagato free for all? damn I'm so excited
Something about Zabuza and Haku that I could totally see happening is the two of them ending up as the only survivers of the battle field, at this point Haku would offer up his life to Zabuza and tell him to cut him down. However, Zabuza is human now and with tears in his eyes, he would cut himself instead and sacrifice himself for Haku, just like Haku did for him back in part 1. Not really a power scaling related note, but if this was a spinoff written by Kishimoto, I could definitely see this going down.
Are u serious u can’t be serious there are some of the weakest in the whole list 😂😂😂☠️
@@too_official6194Bro did not read the full thing. They literally said "Not a power scaling thing."
@@lbozox5040 I read that part that doesn’t even make sense still cuz it’s a power scaling video kid
@@too_official6194You really are slow aren't you? What part of "not power scaling" do you not get? Just because it's a power scaling video doesn't mean anything. Even in the video they took account of factors besides power scaling. OP said nothing about them winning or even being stronger than anybody else. It was just a Haku vs Zabuza scenario.
Yo satori you still alive when is the next video coming
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Pakura’s Scorch Style ability hard counters all of the reanimated Mist Swordsmen, Zabuza, Haku and Mangetsu who is made of water since she can just instantly evaporate him turning him into steam. The Scorch orbs hovering around Pakura prevents any shinobi to get close to her.
Bro it’s so conceptually crazy the character just doesn’t do enough
@@ThunderGodTG is not her fault that her village betrayed her and the fact that rasa orchestrated it makes it even worse not to mention she Died young also the fact that she is one of the strongest shinobi in the sands village's history.
@@kristopherdorsey8561 do you know why the Hidden Rain village wanted her dead because :
Pakura was the first user of the Scorch Release and from her creat a Clan of Scorch Release user enhancing the Sand village power level
On why Rasa accepted to sacrifice her it's because the village can't last long term wars they don't have the money supplie so they needed a way to end the war quickly
Mangetsu got mad genjutsu tho
this is random but I wish the 7 swordsman was the antagonist for original Naruto after chunin exams
would have been an better arc then "Kyubi Chakra in my Arm" Arc
@@ilhanovic5219 yea instead of finding a stray cat for a mission we could had 7 swordsman kinda like the Akatsuki but they would be after something else.
Y'all sleeping the 3 Raikage. Keep in mind that it was kabuto who was in control of the 3rd throughout that whole flight. Basically he was just spamming attacks
I love these kind of videos where you talk about so many characters keeps my ADHD entertained
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For Muu vs Gengetsu, I just view it as Gengetsu being a near perfect counter to Muu. I mean, how's Muu gonna hit someone with particle style if he can't detect them? I believe Gengetsu's genjutsu might be potent enough to be above Muu's sensory perception. That's the explanation that makes the most sense for why they stalemated in my eyes.
Neither one could ever find each other lol
@@HC-gm4fogengetsu can’t see muu, muu can’t see cause he’s basically tripping off a LSD genjutsu.
@@HC-gm4foLmao I can totally see them both just saying fck it and just going home after a full day of shinobi hide and seek lol. And everyone just assumed that they both stalemated each other after a long hard fought battle when really they just got fed tf up with looking for each other 😂😂😂
Muu: Marco?
Gengetsu: Marco?
Muu: Marco?
Gengetsu: Marco?
*Hours later*
Muu & Gengetsu:...forget it, not worth the trouble...
@@seriouscyrus6982 🤣🤣
Mu just hides in the background, untraceable and invisible, watching and enjoying the chaos. Then once the last shinobi stands, he shouts "Atom Man!", hero music starts playing and he flies into the sky, shooting Jinton at the last enemy.
Duh Duh Duh! Duh duh duh duh duh duh duh!
Oh wait, that might be the Star Wars theme...
This is like the 4th time where you release a video right as i go on my lunch break🙏🙏Thanks for the Content bro
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If we talking about all edo tensei
I think tobirama win this since he created edo tensei ofc he will know how to seal them,and since no one control him he can just speed blitz everyone and seal them, except for people who have sensory type/fast reaction time like raikage 2nd tsuchikage Itachi and madara,
But tobirama knows how to counter Uchiha,
Just reminder that tobirama fought against alive madara+sage mode hasirama in the war ofc if both of them alive, Tobirama will lose but in edo tensei i think Tobirama win this
The biggest problem is minato and hasirama,without kyubi minato will lose mid diff but since in edo Tensei he had kyubi, i think it will go 60:40 just because Tobirama know how edo Tensei works
And for hasirama same thing like madara if they alive Tobirama will lose but in edo tensei Tobirama will win
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Great video! Glad to see so much love for Hanzo. Think even if add Nagato or Itachi, they wouldn't be able to stop Muu
Glad to see so much respect given for Haku
47:30 just wanna say, even if deidara is not faster than hebi Sasuke he still can react and answer to his attacks. But people tend to forget that Deidara also escaped Team Guy without having arms so… he’s still fast IMO
Agreed Agreed I actually had a bit where I brought that up but ended up not making the cut
@@ThunderGodTG ohh good to know, great video btw😁
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Gengetsu and mū 100%. The wide range unblockable genjutsu plus particle style is pretty much game over for everybody.😊
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I think it's a bit of a bias and head canon from you to just dismiss the 2nd mizukage stalemating Mu to just him beating a fissioned version if Mum Mu's sensory might be good but there is no statement backing up the fact that he can sense the clam. For all we know, the mizukage could not see him and Mu couldn't find him so they could have eventually taken each other out after a long battle of attrition. The downplay is wild
I said that was my personal theory not that it was object fact, you’re 100% correct we have no idea how the encounter went
Yes Gengetsu should not be that far off from Mu. Saying that they both taken each other out was a clear way to show that they are in same league. The problem comes from the fact that Mu was hyped in a LOT of way. The Gokage was like "yeah, this guy is different, Ônoki must go on the battlefield", the army chose to engage Mu first because they thought he was the strongest, and he was some sort of a favorite of Kabuto (considering he consistenly directly used Mu). In comparaison, from where did Gengetsu cames from ? From a comparaison with Mu ! The Gokage wasn't scared in the slightest by him, no intervention of Naruto was needed, his abilities were handle more easier than Mu''s.
Gengetsu's portrayal is supposed to put him at the level of Mu, and Mu's portrayal is supposed to put him ahead of the level of Gengetsu, if that makes sense.
I like how bro slowly got more comfortable in the video and the back and forth was great
Bro was so nonchalant “ like and subscribe or don’t , it is what Is” 😂 much respect … I’ll subscribe ✅
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If Haku can freeze the moisture in the air with his chakra, couldn’t he just freeze Mangetsu completely solid
Good question. However, that’s assuming that they turn into regular water.
@@___________0Z0X I mean we see suitestu get completely paralyzed by lightning release, so it’s probably water mixed with his chakra
I would still give it to Kimimaru because the Hanzo that was brought back was not the one with all the lore backing. Plus even with the poison Kimimaru can travel underground and do a bone field with is arguably the largest AoE attack only contested by Hanzo’s poison most, but Kimimaru’s ability to materialize in any of the bones is such haxx it Carrie’s him pretty far.
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This is a great video honestly. Asura vs Kratos was amazing.
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You underestimate gengetsu like crazy
Kokuo was able to break Obito’s control temporarily so I’d say she is the 3rd or 4th strongest tailed beast
while obito was getting pressed my naruto, kakashi, guy and bee
@@blackche1580 doesn’t matter no other beast did and also he was not being “pressed” Naruto and bee were getting wash guy and kakashi had only just arrived
@@imverygerby kokou is easily one of the weaker ones the 4 tails, 3 tails and 7 tails were the only oned who actually hurt naruto and bee
@@imverygerby sure they were obito wasnt even able to hit naruto until the 3 tails stunned him and also kokou got out of his control when kakashi and guy arrived
@@blackche1580 Kokuo literally was the one who made Hachibi/Bee Bleed...
Great video and shoutout to Virhtue for great analysis. You guys knew what u were talking about. I will say Deidara scales to Hebi Sasuke in speed and that’s not debatable. There’s a lot of things that go into speed and so if he was able to fight him and react that’s enough to say he’s relative but slower. That’s how Naruto fights work there’s physical speed, run speed, attack speed, jutsu speed, jutsu casting times, etc. I know it might be a little glazing but my boy Deidara is on that speed level just if we take in all the factors, otherwise it wouldn’t have been an even fight, especially because he’s not a tanky fighter like Gaara or someone who got blitzed by Lee but had durability to tank the speed blitzes. So Deidara has to be fast to some degree because otherwise he would have just been stabbed due to not being tanky. He’s just not a hand to hand guy that’s all Kishimoto was going for. Think about it like this: Sasuke has a knife, Deidara has a gun, put it’s in his holster. There are certain ranges where having the knife is more effective and faster naturally because it’s too many motions to draw the gun aim and shoot. So when they first fought, he dodged, he pulled out the gun in time, and he flew up. We know Sasuke is faster but there’s nothing saying he’s not relative especially considering Deidara isn’t hand to hand and literally fights with bombs that can’t be used close. That’s just a difference in styles. They are still relative.
Mu or gengetsu win if we aren’t involving the kage or itachi and nagato
Orochimaru was unaware of Tsunade’s hundred healing jutsu as she mastered it after she left the village. Her prime was definitely not the shinobi war.
I don’t think people give Edo itachi enough credit he has one of the most op abilities a Edo can have he didn’t live long or use Tsukuyomi in Edo for a reason
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@@ThunderGodTG my fault og
😂 you good fam MAD dudes done the same thing
7:58 He really rolled up tandem paper bombs in a scroll and goes around slapping people with it lmao the sound effect is BOOF
Bro deadass we didn’t notice
Idk man I think haku would probably freeze mangetsu I mean if he liquifies his body via water why do we assume he doesn’t freeze under Haku’s ice release if he’s within Haku’s mirrors?
Keep up the good work TG 👏
I love vids like these. Naruto verse has like endless fights.
I mean Hiyashi is shocked by Neji because he wasn’t taught the techniques by the main branch but was talented to take what he had and discover them on his own
another banger my goat 😈
Always appreciate the lord muu hype hes so slept on
Mangetsu wa the last edo to stay, like Kimimaro. It's a feat and a clear indication of the author about his abilities, he was absolute elite. So imagine him with many swords in his hand, like Hiramekarei or Samehada... This guy was kage level, like Kisame
He was top 10 elite jonin in the world with Kakashi, Gai, Yamato, Gari, Kitsuchi, Han, Roshi, Kisame, Darui or Killer Bee
I think it would be super cool if they had that final fight of Mu vs Haku, where haku has to keep darting around and avoiding damage while whittling down a guy that can one shot and is around the same level of speed
20:53 my theory on Muu vs Gengetsu is that they both had perfect intel on each other from past battles and gengetsu stalled Muu by hiding in cover(maybe under water) and using the steam boy and constant ranged genjutsu to fuck with muu.
Gengetsu can’t see muu. Muu revels himself when he has to attack. so if gengetsu keeps putting mirages out, he’ll see where Muu is attacking from.
Muu can normally sense where people are, so gengetsu must have hid in something. For example He hides in the gold pyramid and lets the steam imp do the work. Muu bothered to tell Onoki about it so we know the imp was the offence used against him.
So yeah I’d say since gengetsu is from the same water people clan as sugetsu, and his summoning is an aquatic creature, he was probably hiding underwater where Muu would reveal himself/be at a disadvantage if he followed.
It would make sense gengetsu forced muu to split and killed a half, which made him think he died together with muu. But really muu tricked him, but if one half dies, muu ultimatley dies some time after.
Edo Itachi with his Susanoo’s Totsuka Blade was extremely OP sealing Nagato instantly after stabbing him. Itachi himself could solo a majority of the reanimated shinobis with the exception of Madara and Hashirama.
You're not looking at it the right way if he was trying to win Itachi wouldnt just seal them he would control everyone he could and use them against those two
if he doesnt get Hashirama with Genjutsu too that is
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Mass majority of them are gettin sealed in chibaku tense off rip
What If Hanzo drops poison on Edo Itachi and then he gets the disease that killed him 😂😂😂😂😂
I appreciated the mu respect
Gengetsu’s clam cannot be sensed it can only be found by touch. It’s found in the data book and the Naruto wiki. So the argument that Mu can just sense out Gengetsu is wrong.
It’s never stated it can’t be sense in the databook, but I will agree it’s not the strongest argument. It should be possible since Munis a step above any sensors in that unit, especially with the Steam Imp noted to give Mu trouble.
@@ThunderGodTG so there is a panel where there was clearly a sensor ninja within the group of people who fought against him. It was not until after the clam was destroyed that the ninja was able to find him hiding behind the rock. It was in the panel with onoki explaining how Jocki boy works. So kinda proves my point that while the clams jutsu is activated sensory techniques do not work. I would post the panel but I can’t post a photo in the comments I think it was page 28 or something but it definitely is in the manga showing he cannot be sensed while the clams jutsu is activated.
Yeah so that would legit just go back to show that the clam can't be sense by regular sensors, there's tiers to it. Not all sensors are = some are far better like Mu. An example of this being applied is when Mu used Fission none of them sense him as well. It's very clear the regular shinobi sensors in the alliance. I'm opposed to the clam not being able to sensed, it just should be noted Muu and other notable shinobi are far above the run of the mill sensors in the alliance.
@@ThunderGodTG they where not actively looking to see if he was still around none of them where trying to find him because they all saw his other half get sealed. Also it’s his ability to make himself disappear. I’m not saying he’s not an incredible sensory type ninja. However your theory that the clam can be sensed by muu is pure speculation where as I have concrete evidence that shows Gengetsu and the clam cannot be sensed while his jutsu is activated. 🤷🏼♂️
A couple things I super hard disagree with but, regardless we can just agree to disagree since I’d prefer not to half a paragraph war, so we’ll just keep it moving.
Would you ever consider a hypothetical video on what would itach do if Sasuke was killed by deidara? What would hod next move be and how would that change the series going forward considering all his plans had to do with his brother being alive
Hey man big fan but I think everything you said about gengetsu isn’t accurate
1. How can he be less powerful then Mu if Mu himself considered Gengetsu a worthy rival, it even states that they battled multiple times until they killed each other but yet you still say he’s more powerful they’re both equal
2. Nothing proves nor states that Mu was able to sense gengetsu and his clam.In the fourth division they had sensory type ninjas and they couldn’t even find the clam, even Mu states that Onoki had sensory skills but it just wasn’t as proficient as mu was so therefore they couldn’t sense where the real clam and gengetsu were
3. You’re assuming that the steam imp is just as fast as the particle style which there is no proof to prove it. we can see other wise onoki being there with gaara didn’t even use particle style to get rid of the steam imp, even Onoki states that the steam imp is what gave Mu trouble every time they fought. Gaara with Onoki fighting mu wasn’t impressed by mu speed or reaction speed but when the steam imp came along gaara was very quick to state how fast it was and how in order to beat it he needed to slow it down. I can see why it gave Mu trouble every time, you have a oil/water clone that is super fast and It grows and grows continuously until it explodes and it does this infinitely
Hey appreciate the support I'll preface by saying we covered Gengetsu in our Gokage vs Gokage vid so I'd def recommend checking that out.
1. We never said he was more powerful but, were leaning into the idea his arsenal was more suited, I also mention at the end of the section that they do take each other out.
2. This is fair enough
3. The Steam Imp is actually objectively slower than Particle Style as it's able to be blocked by Gaara's Sand consistently or is just blatantly faster. The Steam Imp point could also be in reference to the AOE effect of the Steam Imp or Steam Imp + Clam Combo, but regardless Particle Style actually does display better feats being more comparable to Kyuubi Naruto which the Steam Imp hasn't displayed as Gaara was capable of blocking the explosions. Gaara also had seen Particle Style before + was witnessing the Steam Imp for the first time so it makes more sense he'd just make an observational statement that it's fast. The thing is with Mu is that he couldn't just spam particle style like he was doing as Edo so it'd make more sense why he'd struggle with it a lot while being alive.
I will say part of the reason we just didn't go into depth here is I went into full length on all of the Gokage in this video ruclips.net/video/Mf4U7CniSLo/видео.html and did not want to just rehash points, but I will say I prob should have spent more time on Gengetsu like some people have mentioned.
Putting respect to Mu's name, love to see it.
Rasa stalemates a Gaara that is stronger than when he beat Deidara. Deidara is somewhat relative to Hebi Sasuke, Hebi Sasuke is stronger than the Taka Sasuke that fought Bee. Bee is obviously stronger than Gyuki by himself. The 3rd Raikage's claim to fame is fighting and stalemating Jinchurikiless Gyuki, which means you could say Taka Sasuke is stronger than the 3rd Raikage.
With this chain of logic it shows that Rasa is stronger than the 3rd Raikage.
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Thank you so much i always wonder who that guy was....the guy you said is only a sensory type
I'll probably go with Itachi, they are immortals that can fight as long as they will need to so Itachi’s sealing he used on Nagato would be perfect.
Or Madara, I feel like he would simply just absorb their energy, and stick them with his sage rods.
Nice vid
Kisame was bangin w guy. Js
Jinton gg. Where was nagato/itachi either one of them would’ve won this nagato destroys muu so does itachi 🟣👁️👁️🟣 🔴👁️👁️🔴
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Minato because of FTG, Kuybi cloak sage mode and sealing jutsu prowess. GG's.
In my opinion Mu was prolly the strongest kage of the past next Hashrama the little bit we know about him is pretty wild.
I feel like by the war arc, Hiashi only has experience over Neji and Hinata, and a much larger chakra pool than Hinata.
Actually, there is someone who's got a better chance at winning than Mu. The demon himself, Madara.
This is only really a discussion if you leave out Madara, Nagato and Itachi, and the reanimated hokage Cuz otherwise it's Madara or Hashirama. and if tnoth them. Tobirama, Itachi, Minato or Nagato.
And those are characters we've seen discussed more than enough.
You forgot a couple reanimation(itachi, Nagano, madara, the hokages)
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If we are barring madara from this, then itachi. Since he’d have a way to seal most of these guys. If madara is included then I think would take the cake
I mean Hashirama probably would be the next up to be honest.
@@goroadachi9489 perhaps. Like I said I’m just looking at the situation realistically from the mechanics of the jutsu
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Haku vs Mangetsu. Mangetsu liqufies, Haku freezes him! >XD
TOBIRAMA?!?!? I gotta watch the video
If bro uses liquification could Haku freeze him? 🤔
WAIT LET HIM COOk
8:23 how would haku stop mangetsu? He's immune to her attacks and if u scale him above suigetsu he would def clap haku.
That’s why we said it could be either or gotta finish the section before you comment shit we say
Haku is male
Itachi and Pain have sealing (Totsuka Blade and Chibaku Tensei) GG EZ. Don’t even need to argue this even with the premise.
The premise: no Edo Itachi, Nagato, Madara, Hokage, LMAO
Oh shit😳
Haku isn/t surviving over Hanzo, Deidara, Mu… Shouldnt even be in the conversation lol
particle style+sensory+invisibility is actually disgusting!!!
The one with the best sealing jutsu
Hisashi is being underrated tho…
I think deidara has a better chance of winning round 2 then you give him credit for as long as he’s not the main focus of haki off rip. Shit like c3 and c4 are very broken.
How is it implied Deidara used c3 against 3 tails?
Just a heads up, I haven’t watched tje video. Just saying beforehand that if the winner isn't Itachi or Nagato then I'll need some serious convincing on thos one. They are the only edo shinobi with techniques that can permanently put down other edo shinobi.
Direct your attention to the pinned comment
If it’s just kabuto’s reanimations than madara is the clear winner. If we’re talking all of the reanimations than hashirama is the clear winner.
At the 2nd part,have to disagree hard. I haven't seen this big an undersale of Sasori since the "But he lost to Sakura"-people
Did you both forget Sasori doesn't need a puppet to win since he can literally manipulate things w mass with his chakra strings? If Deeidara's bonds can be touched without them exploding,he can throw them back,or he can latch himself unto the bird. Etc.
Deidara could quite literally detonate the birds at any time during that along with having extensive knowledge on Sasori’s abilities. Sasori quite literally has none of his abilities and is beyond nerfed as an Edo, there’s nothing to undersale because he’s a fragment of his FP
Do you think Kakazu was apart of the Kekka and Gekkaku squad that killed Tobirama 😂😂😂😂 i mean if its for money Kakazu is in. Also Dan is probably the winner. But that's his stupid power. However he's kinda a cry baby. So I'd say both brothers count as winners and move on cause they wouldn't fight.
Round 1st Haku is the strongest but mangutsu wins!
Haku would protect zabuza - mangutsu beats zabuza.
Yeah muu is a beast
Kcm Minato blitz and seals every edo
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@@ThunderGodTG oh yh saw it late 😅
Bro you ain’t alone 😂
@@ThunderGodTG yh 😂
What game was that 2:06
Deidera beats everyone easy if reanimated state
@NCHammer23 could you do a video on this?
The audacity
@@ThunderGodTG just want to here his viewpoint that’s it. Please be respectful to your viewers.
The GALL!
That guy has the worst takes
Didn't Naruto used Matatabi's chakra claws to cut off Kaguya's arm.
That’s a Negative it was just a chakra arm
Okay. I thought it was a chakra blade made from 2 tails chakra.
Wasn’t kakuzu theorized to be the one that killed Hashirama? I’d give him more credit here.
He tried to assassinate Hashirama but failed.
Hashirama died in battle
@@starboy2079 that is what we know. But against who is what we don’t know.
@@ilhanovic5219 did he? We know hashirama died in battle . But what battle?
@@McLightning95 Thats what we dont know.
There are theories that he died on the Battlefield but also that he died of old age issues.
There are many theories
i think minato and tobirama and nagato and itachi are biggest threat as they have sealing / ability’s that can put down everyone
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Madara would win because I am of the opinion that Madara was trying to distract Hashirama from Juubito and intentionally holding back and when he got serious he just busted out of the deity gates besides we never got to see the full fight being distracted by Juubito anyway Madara did place several of those black rods in Hashirama’s back and cracks were in his face so I am of the opinion that Madara would win and is the Strongest Reanimation.
When Madara was fighting Hashirama in that fight he said he was gonna take his sage mode from him so that he can deal with Obito. Madara seemed confident that he could deal with 10 tails obito
What if Sasori controls Deidara with his chakra strings🤔
What if chyio controls kimimaru?
@@spit-fire you responded with that just to be a smart ass. But my meaning is they were saying if deidara takes flight hes clearing that first fight. But if Sasori gets a hold of him before then he loses his advantage
@@uchiha_itachi1507 ?
Where are nagato itachi and madara ?
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I haven’t watched the video yet but I’m predicting Minato (for his speed and sealing jutsus) and itachi (totsuka blade) will be most likely to win
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Finally made it thru the vid, please don’t do another vid w this dude or tell him to get a spit cup, so I don’t gotta hear the smacking🙏🏼
I think fuu would win because she's hot
Particul style is too upscaleed here. Madara's 3rd stage Susanoo was literally standing in the middle of biggest Particul style ever made from combined 4 Kage, without sustaining a single scratch. Then Madara transformed Susanoo to the final stage and said I actually rivals the Biju, which also means in durability.
I don't think it's doing anything to the Bijus at all.
The Perfect Susanoo is vastly above the other Bijuu and is shown as a rival to the Nine Tails which is also ~ to the Wooden Golem. There is no way to argue the Bijuu scale remotely close in durability aside from the Kyuubi.
Madara’s 2nd Stage Susanoo was literally fighting the 8 Tails it’s just not possible to say anything 1-8 scales to the PS. Power also does not = durability, he could literally just be meaning destructive capability.
@@ThunderGodTG The stage that resist the Biggest particle style ever made wasn't Perfect Susanoo. It's just a stage before. Also, Mu is not capable of that level of Particle style.
You really upscaled particle style too much here.
The V3 has never once shown a resistance to the Susanoo, are you referring to the Tsunade amped version? That one shot 25 V3 Susanoo? The only other version was the pre PS that was outside the range of the Jinton attack
@@ThunderGodTG Watch it again. It was right in the middle.
That's only perspective on the panel Ch.589 where the Susanoo is standing the Jinto Cube's effect is nowhere near it's feat. Madara also exits the Particle Style in the chapter beforehand continues to move out as the whole strategy was predicated on forcing him to absorb the jutsu, so not only that is he 's not even inside the technique when he initiates the Susanoo which further supports what I just said, so this line of reasoning is incorrect.
Wouldn't edo deidara be able to just C-0 over and over therby beating everyone😂
Bro this is super fair, legit just kinda breaks the ruleset if he can nuke himself, if we did include regen type deal though then yeah
they unrated the mizukage tbh like we know he and mu actually killed each other in their fight but they didnt bring that up once and mu isnt faster than KCM dafuck he got hit by planetary rasengan point blank maybe his attack speed but he isnt
20:32 - I will forgive you for this lapse in judgement
i am sorry for my lapse in judgement but still yall downplayed gangetsu @@ThunderGodTG
I apologize
Listening to these arguments giving me a headache. The bias, misrepresentation and blatant omission of these fights are funny 😂
Lenny we talked about this
Deidara disrespect is crazy.
right? in edo form he has a valid shot at this whole video
Hashirama, obviously.
Bruh the kid you filmed this with sounds like he has a mouth full of spit the entire time he talks😭
Dope video tho