@@elzy697 3 Jonin level shinobi tried used Flyin rajin to teleport once and it drained there chakra and you think minato cant do 100 clones when it's the first jutsu taught by the academy? Stop watching naruto on youtube shorts and its literally edo minato we are talking about who has infinite chakra🤦🏽♂️
In this scenario, Tobirama and Minato would be absolute menaces. Tobirama could straight up nuke the battlefield with endless explosive tags and literally no one would see Minato and everyone would be dead unless they had insane reaction time . Based on feats, I don't see Hiruzen being a problem. Tsunade's summon would be an issue more than Tsunade. Hashirama is Hashirama, no diff GG
Tobirama also knew the hidden mist technique, he would've popped that on the 5 Kage and sent water clones after them with bombs attached to them from all directions out of the mist to disorient them, and use FTG within the mist to perform assassinations on each of them while they were stunned. Given his battle IQ leaning towards stealth and Intel, he'd quickly assess that the 5 don't have a sensory type, therefore can't detect the real Tobirama from the clones. Honestly it would be a quick and flawless win for him.
I actually wonder how long would it take for the Akatsuki to gather all 9 Bijuus if all of them are fighting together. Let's say to capture Gaara, the entire Akatsuki pulled up. I know this won't be good for the Akatsuki's reputation (since they're gathering money and are often hired as mercenaries), but just imagine the entire Akatsuki pulled up and jumped Naruto in that hotel in part 1 😂
I mean I think their repuation kinda went into the shitter as soon as Deidara went to capture Gaara and nearly blew up the Sand Village, but yeah cool idea. They'd probably pack up all of the Bijuu pretty quickly. Only ones I see them having an issue with are 8 Tails (Killer Bee) and 9 Tails (Naruto) for obvious reasons, but they still slam.
uh if I remember right tsunade sent guy to check on them so jiraiaya would just hold them off as long as possible until guy pulls up and then we know how that ends for the entire akatsuki…
I find it funny that Tsunade cant beat the gauntlet but is one of the reasons why any hokage would have difficulties winning the 5 kage fight. Shes pretty cracked honestly if Madara wasnt essentially given a ton of bs buffs thanks to edo tensei and hashirama cells he could actually lose the 5 kage fight since he would need to worry about 1) chakra 2) reduced healing 3) no rinnegan as he only had it since he injected himself with senju dna.
I don't think it radically changes the outcome, but for Danzo you missed his suicide technique, Ura Shishō Fūin. If Edo Danzo could spam that (due to already being dead) I think it would be his premiere technique, and while I think the Gokage would be able to defeat him with long-range jutsu, it's an interesting scenario to consider *how* they would play against it.
Agreed I did not include it partially due to most characters being able to avoid it like even fatigued 5KS Sasuke but it’s a good point. It’s fundamentally a sealing technique but, if he could spam it like Deidara’s C0 could actually be crazy, good comment 👌🏻
It’s a Sealing Jutsu that I’m pretty sure the array is pre planted to be activated on a trigger and is one time use, so I don’t think it’s spamable like an ordinary jutsu.
I think that's true under "normal" circumstances (like if Danzo just got some crazy durability buff that let him survive it) but edo tensei seems to cause bodies to repeatedly reform as they were prior to death, e.g. clothes coming back, tandem paper bombs, etc. The only exception seems to be izanami / izanagi and truth seeker orbs. So, just like a regular edo tensei could repeatedly lose his limbs and regrow them, I think Danzo could repeatedly lose the seal and reform it.
@@nirjhar4803 That's an interesting point. But Edo Hashirama is able to summon the deity gates, so I do think (somehow) edos are able to use fuinjutsu.
You also have to take in consideration that it's pretty reasonable to assume that Minato still has many ftg marks left around the world like just imagine him teleporting the kage in the grave of a random solider he killed years ago or wherever so that he can fight each one at a time by splitting them
Same with Tobirama, imagine he just tps to the leaf village, grabs a few dead ninja, gets some dna of strong people and comes back with reinforcements😂
Idk how anyone can argue that Tandem Paper Bombs are usable with any medium other than Edo Tensei. He literally states that he uses it with Edo Tensei, and the replication only makes sense to use the BODY of the Edo Tensei as the medium for creating the tags in the first place. Like they're not made of fuckin skin. What is the community smoking?
yes tobirama was actually scaring with edo tensei he would basically summon the dead for intel and just spam them as kamakazi. his edo tensai also seems to be more refined and feared than orochimaru's one in the attack on the leaf.
@@Necromancer4267 and to add to your point he didnt seem to be shy with using it, considering hashirama constantly scolding him for it and not being happy with him when they got revived in the war arc, and all the second era hokage all thinking that a sage mode kabuto was tobirama who summoned them. all the second era kage who knew of edo tensei thought it was tobirama.
@@see3deezzEvery Edo thought they were brought back by Tobirama, so obviously he used it very often or was known for using it. It's the most obvious call in the world to say that it HAS to be used with Edo Tensei. Tobirama literally says that's what he uses it with.
Hey so quick note at 24:05 there’s a little note that talks about the Reaper Death Seal, I didn’t get to get into this in the recording but this is still a technique that would take down both users despite the Hokage using it being an Edo Tensei as the technique seals the soul meaning the Edo Tensei body is irrelevant, as displayed with Hiruzen using it on Tobirama and Hashirama. It doesn’t matter which end of the technique the user is, their soul will be extracted from the Edo Tensei body at the end of the ritual like we saw. So at best it’s a draw which you can actually say makes it a bit easier for Hiruzen/Minato if you go down this road. Just a little note since I didn’t get to throw this in the video. Apologies for the filler like video currently on a trip 🙏🏻 more regular uploads soon.
One of the interesting things that would come up with Edo Tsunade. Since she wouldn’t need to be keeping any of her chakra in reserve for healing or anything, she’d be able to go wild with her ninjutsu showcasing her abilities with 4 of the elemental natures, yin & yang, and possibly even some Uzumaki clan Sealing techniques
So regarding Tobirama's Water Style, isn't there a Statement in the 10 year Anniversary Databook about his Water Cutter Drill Move that's like "Surely There's nothing it can't cut" or something along that line. So while There's not necessarily a feat for it, I think that with that Statement and the fact that There's no Anti Feat for it either, I think it could be assumed that his Water Style would actually be an issue for the Kage as well. Also unrelated, but as a Video Idea, what About having Ginkaku and Kinkaku run an Akatsuki Gauntlet? Sort of a What if the Akatsuki tried to capture them instead of Naruto if they would still be alive.
Good video and i was so worried about the tobirama down play but it was fairly solid. However with tandem, its more so said and implied by him that 1. tandem is and was made to go with reanimation, so they are two separate things used in "conjunction with" (the words used in the data book) tandem paper bomb, its his mo to catch people off guard and what better way to do it, edo is more chakra friendly than using suicide clones which drain chakra faster as he makes more. 2. tobirama can use 1-2 handsigns for jutsus meaning the waterdragon can be blasted in someones face as he has all natures he can adjust. I agree with your conclusion though i believe he just uses the original to have them hit him and tag them in return, once all or most are tagged then 1 clone for each goes in with a tandem and gg. lastly, its very obvious he can escape tandem with ftg as you can escape if you know its comming like when he warned the others. if you dont believe that then i hope you keep that mind set when you make him vs minato and you make an attempt to say minato ftgs out of tandem.
@nathansnively1537 you are correct there. However, the tandem paperbombs are separate to the edo tensei so he can give then to clones or like he did with obito, throw them out and teleport away. Of course with clones, it isnt efficient use of chakra
3:26 - Tsunade was referring to basic medical ninjutsu not any other advanced forms of med ninjutsu. Tsunade can destroy battlefields on a whim and take out majority of the shinobi from just the collateral damage from her attacks (Sakura punch in the war arc for example). 5:45 - Tsunade tanked the damage from the jutsu in her base form while the raikage needed his shroud to survive the technique. Tsunade later healed the injuries after arriving on the battlefield. Byakugou amped Tsunade and byakugou amped katsuyu is a serious combination esp for Garra Tsunade smashes straight through any defense he tries to put up and katsuyu's acid dissolves solid stone upon immediate contact, just imagine what it'll do to sand, reinforced or not. Katsuyu's acid is the most potent burning/acidic technique we have seen in the anime, no other acidic or firestyle jutsu has shown to burn through solid rock much less dmg said rock. Not even kauguya's acid dimension's acid was burning the rock-like structure that Sakura and Obito were on. Katsuyu is not slow either as she was able to blitz the village and continuously shield persons last second from pain's attacks.
100 Healings is very debatable as we know it can restore severed limbs / organs but, have no evidence it can actually restore a torn chakra network which is treated as a threat to Naruto himself who has passive regen. So it is HIGHLY questionable to just not likely that she’s be able to just big body a rasenshuriken. The acid point is really mute as Firestyle Jutsu have statements of vaporization rocks in Sasuke Jin Raiden or the Databook, with Hiruzen’s just noting it turns the target to ash. So no katsuyu’s acid is not more potent than all of these techniques. If you wanna say it’s comparable sure by all means but burning a rock isn’t that impressive compared to other burning attacks. Everything else is fine I agree Byakugou amped Tsunade is strong af even tho she doesn’t win.
@ThunderGodTG No other firestyle/burning technique had shown to be more potent than Katsuyu's acid. Jiraiya's amped toad flame bomb did nothing to the ground, hiruzen's firestyle did nothing to the rooftop, itachi, sasuke and madara firestyle jutsus did nothing to the earth. Katsuyu's acid vaporize solid stone immediately. An amped amateratsu combination attack couldn't even burn the juubi and leave any noticeable damage on it. Had Katsuyu's acid touch the juubi it would have melted the affected area into nothingness and any other area the acid hits. Even in the itachi fight when sasuke firestyle hit itachi he wasn't burnt that badly. Firestyle has shown to be able to blow apart rocks but not disintegrate them. Amateratsu couldn't even burn through sand which is less durable than rock. Amateratsu didn't even shown burning damage to madara's armour. Katsuyu's acid is so potent that it can one-shot orochimaru and orochimaru has eaten a lot of firestyle/burning techniques and survived. Amateratsu didn't even cause burn damage to kaguya or jigen😅 Tsunade literally regenerated severed networks from kabutot/orochimaru fight with naruto with basic medical ninjutsu... She later used creation rebirth on herself to regenerate new organ cells, severed chakra networks, tissues, bones in short all the damage she sustained. She recovered from madara's susanoo sword with byakugou without any effort. Even when she was cut in half she had to heal her bisected body parts, chakra networks, organs, intestines and everything that was misplaced and she did this with regular medical ninjutsu😅. On top of that, all the other kage's who were damaged and had injuries to their organs, chakra networks etc were all fully restored with basic medical ninjutsu all of which were minimal compared to the condition Tsunade was in compared to them. How do they survive a punch like what Sakura did in the war arc in Tsunade's case and she can just throw them out on a whim without any wind up, exhausting herself or any prep time needed.
Its not a take its facts. Not only is Katsuyu's acid better, its also sage jutsu and cannot be absorbed. It covers a wider area and it starts vaporizing whatever it hits immediately. @ThunderGodTG
Odd note, but thank you so much for pronouncing "kumite" correctly. I think you're the only Naruto content creator I've heard pronounce that the right way. I'm subbing on that alone lol
Love the Hiruzen take, and I agree with most of the points you said Although I'd argue Edo Hiruzen is actually just as his old version and not his Prime version since he literally returned in his Oldman body with grey hair and stuff. And remember for Edo Hiruzen v Alliance, he has probably more Battle experience than anyone there other than maybe Onoki
Oh I agree that’s entirely what Edo Hiruzen is, he’s just buffed weirdly despite being weakened due to severe stamina issues while alive that made a lot of his Edo feats not really possible
Saying that hiruzen at least = sanins is crazy, well jiraiya died before the war arc so he didn't get that giant boost that every one got, but, orochimaru is way to strong, Zetsu body ( whit has means he doesn’t need to change bodies) with all of the abilities of Kabuto and the sound village 5. If jiraiya got that boost that statement would have been false, but again he died before, but orochimaru is really top level in the war arc.
It is also important to note that besides Kisame who is arguably the best suiton user SHOWN in the manga, Mei Terumi makes an arguable case for second-3rd best suiton user. Despite being an excellent suiton user, Tobirama has never demonstrated the same capabilities as Kisame and Mei and also never did anything to further in the war to show his reputation as the best in that area. Mei has shown suiton feats that rival even Madara's fire style jutsu and he is the best at fire style. She and the Rikage also have shown the teamwork and mastery to create the Raisuiryūdan that has the ability to paralyze the enemy and in addition, she and the Raikage seem to have complete control of this jutsu being able to keep it active for a relatively long period, that spells trouble for Tobirama. She also did this in a dessert environment. This is just some fun facts for anyone who wants to argue about Tobirama's suiton in the comment section. You know.....if Minato teleports Tsunade away.......they're fucked. She has literally 0 methods of getting back to the battlefield before Minato kills the others, if they get hit with more than i'll give the benefit of 2 Resegans...they're fucked. Their healer and biggest muscle has been teleported to god knows where. His sage mode is "dog shit" yet he is a perfect sage and able to enter it faster than anyone else....yeah no, it's not dog shit. It just isn't compatible with his fighting style.
Minato’s AP either outscales Hiruzen or his sealing is so potent that his AP doesn’t matter. And that fact that Minato has more AP than Tobirama and Tobirama passes his section means he completely clears. Just the fact Hiruzen was waiting for Minato to arrive to stop the Nine Tails is cracked.
You could make the argument for Tsunade being able to summon 100% of Katsuya's full size due to the fact she'd be edo tensei. Also she could infinitely refill the 100 healings mark because of the infinite chakra.
Tsunade's Heavenly Foot of Pain is noted to potentially be able to wipe out an entire country at once, and even if that is only referring to attack potency (questionable either way), she had enough strength to pin Manda who is larger than a smaller snake who collapsed an entire giant castle just by being summoned, so putting in her full force into an attack should essentially cause a localized earthquake which could do good area of effect damage, or otherwise make terrain manipulation less viable (a single finger causing a fissure earlier). Some implication that Tsunade's full strength is actually stronger than her own durability and she just regenerates the difference. Gaara's sand failed to bind Kimimaro who just forcibly overpowered its grip. Madara might have just not cared to resist the tug since he is sandbagging, Tsunade meanwhile may simple pull the grip off of herself. Tsunade can also physically grab chakra as shown by her trying to stab Madara with his own Susanoo, her batting away Madara's Fire Release with her arms, and Sakura similarly grabbing a beartrap made of lightning in Sakura Hiden, further making her harder to pin down. Katsuyu is questionable as they could just elect not to listen to Tsunade if they are summoned against the alliance. Ignoring, that, though, as an Edo Tensei as she regenerates more and more chakra Tsunade could keep summoning more and more of Katsuyu, which even less than 10% is Manda size, whilst the full 100% might be more than even Gaara could reasonably handle. Other databook statements of the title of professor alludes to him being able to perform them, not that Hiruzen would in character. He does at least use what appears to be some sort of Inuzuka jutsu to get out of the Bringer of Darkness genjutsu, then again, so does Kakashi in Naruto Gaiden. Sasuke's first Fire Release is noted to vaporize stone in Rin no Sho which is arguably superior to ash. Itachi's basic Fire Release is also called the hottest of all Fire Release in I believe the anniversary guide which would be a more reputable source than an anime guide, not that it really affects the outcome, here. Enma was able to stop the advance of Hashirama's degraded Wood Release, and alongside a stronger Hiruzen will make him rather difficult to pin down. Water Release does not stop sand. Gengetsu has special oil which might even be a kekkei genkai, not that Hiruzen could not just use Enma to break out. This is mentioned later in relation to Tobirama, but it is never said regular water stops Gaara's sand to begin with. It does not seem any weaker when flowing alongside Mei's Water Release to bind Madara. Also special mention for the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique which is noted to be a high Hokage-class jutsu which may prove difficult to stop and is rather versatile. The alliance against Guruguru Zetsu were fatigued by fighting them, as they did not fight until then after Tsunade had just restored them after she was healed by Karin, and there is no indication either Karin or Tsunade did not bring then up to full. Tsunade was able to amplify Ōnoki beyond 100% for his massive Dust Release and also healed him back up to normal before he reentered the fight with Madara, so it just seems Guruguru was so potent he could force them back to near-nothing, and Hiruzen still scales to it. Hiruzen has explicit knowledge of Dust Release as shown against Obito so he might have some sort of countermeasure ready for it. As shown in the Boruto anime, Dust Release can be prematurely cancelled if enough ninjutsu is fired at it, which Hiruzen has in spades, for example, so the advantage may actually be in his direction rather than Ōnoki's. Hiruzen can trap Tsunade in a Vajra Cage and it is unclear if she would have enough force to overpower Enma in that case. Mei cannot use full potency Boil Release since she is not in an enclosed space and she might also accidentally start hurting her allies. Lava Release meanwhile is more easy to circumvent since it is only in a single location at once. On the note of Katsuyu, in Part I Enma is considered the strongest of all summons which would scale him above the Boss Summons, and he can clone himself dozens of times over for the Vajra Cage. Gaara's Mausoleum even when amplified by Shukaku's inherent sealing was insufficient to block out Madara's humanoid Susanoo. Whilst Hiruzen likely does not scale to this, considering it was amplified by Shukaku, the ceiling is also likely lesser, and he has access to either Enma who (as aforementioned) could block a degraded Wood Release, and his own ability to spit out swarms of nature transformation and/or shuriken. Gaara does not have sealing ios not instant, and during the window when the tags are being applied against Enma, Hiruzen would just summon him back out. In fact, it is possible Enma could actually do the reverse as shown by the toads summoning Naruto to Myōbokuzan, doubly so when either of them can make Shadow Clones which can do this. Gaara as a genin was able to flood the terrain with a tsunami of sand and pull Kimimaro downwards quite a depth to bury him so he might just force Tobirama's water downward, albeit this is a losing battle due to the fact Tobirama's chakra is near-infinite. I feel Tobirama's Water Release being unable to do as much to the Shinju as Hiruzen swinging Enma is meant to be an indication of the that which is near the limits of his (regular) attack potency. Albeit, arguable if any of the Gokage's attack potency is at the level of Enma's, either. Whilst Madara was rampaging against the alliance, Gaara and some others were sitting in the back, and the Sharingan has telescopic vision so Danzō could potentially grab Gaara or someone else and bring them to his side.
Bro I gotta ask you out here doing alla this you might as well drop your own vids honestly. I see you on other channels too, might as well catch a bag. This is a generally good comment although I minority disagree with some stuff but I ain’t sending you 4 paragraphs back so you got it.
I think one of the greatest bits of intrigue about Naruto is how the powerscaling is not very cut and dry in terms of both speed, physical power vs. jutsu potency, durability, and all that, not to even include the nuance of circumstances. It allows fans to make up ridiculous head cannon about their favorite characters, so the debate never ends. Lol
Yo finally the G.O.A.T is back hope you had a great vacation bro btw can you do a "what if itachi and sasuke fought obito Instead of Kakashi" in the war arc ?
Good video so far. I'd argue that the tandem paper bombs should scale to like the 10 tails biju bomb. This is because of the deity gate feat as u mentioned and also just logic wise. Hashirama moments b4 mentioned that juubito was stronger than himself even with his wood clones reabsorbed. It wouldn't then make sense for tobirama to use a jutsu which is primarily ap based (no hax really) which was weaker than hashiramas jutsu. It then makes sense that he would use something comparable to the 10 tails biju bomb which when juubito fired on himself and the shinobi alliance he had to encase himself in truth seeking orb sphere. Also tobirama could put any of the kage down (excluding tsunade and ay) with kunai or swords like he did izuna. They don't have iron skin or regen. Regarding minato I don't scale him to the 9 tails biju bomb. This is cuz of a scaling chain where his attack is comparable to konan who performed the same damage to obito that minatos rasengan did. Then scaling from there jiraiya to sage mode jiraiya to pain to the 6 tails, it wouldn't make any sense for six tails of 1/2 the 9 tails to be leagues above the full 9 tails
See I’m glad you said what you did about dragon flame bomb I had a big debate about hiruzen having the best fire style and how that move is depicted as the strongest fire jutsu not only for the reasons you discuss but as well as having proof with it being the only instance of white hot flames in the whole show I’m not sure if that includes boruto tho
i HATE that everyone says the mizukage is weak or the weakest of the 5 kage. She solo’d kage summit Sasuke and has some of the best water jutsu showings in the entire series. She could not use her mist to great effect in a group battle, as it put the other kage in danger. Her ONLY anti feat is that her lava style lacked the ap to damage madara. However, if she could use her mist, the attack potency of her lava would’ve skyrocketed. Mizukage’s primary weakness is that she is stronger when fighting alone.
Some more awesome scenarios bro, I enjoyed it , keep ir up ThunderGod! Its always good to see some new match ups really reminds the number of possibilities this story gave us. I mean outside of taste or nostalgia there's a reason we get more match ups for Naruto right?... we know the characters and the system better. Cann't let all that untapped potential go to waste!
Honestly the way I see Minato is that he was the closest person to reaching that Ashura and Indara reincarnate levels of power. Like he's not on the same level of Madara or Hashirama. But he was the closest person to reach that level before Naruto and Sasuke. I honestly think he absolutely dog walks the Division and handedly defeats the 5 Kage. But great video! Mainly commenting to boost it.
@@Zwidekalanga24 you're mistaken, he's close to regular Madara and Hashirama power while using kcm, close, but not equal, his only advantage would only be his speed and reaction time, other than that he lose in all category even tho hes buffed up with kcm.
You didn’t mention Kakashi in the video, was wondering what your take on that is. Obviously DMS Kakashi Slams, but what’s your take on War Arc Kakashi and Hokage Kakashi.
Minato can teleport away even from the massive Particle Style. When he acts as a human shield to teleport away Madara's Gudoudamas so Guy can attack he goes all the way to the Hokage monument in the Leaf. We see him there with the Gudoudamas on his cloak when Madara uses the Shin Jukai Koutan. He has markings on the Leaf and probably in other countries as well, he doesn't need the kunai to escape.
33:52 Tobirama does have all 5 chakra natures, he just happens to use water the most, according to the data books so it’s not like he only has a handful of options. Just wanted to throw that out there
A lot of characters actually have a few chakra natures it’s just they don’t main them or utilize them like their main. Like for example Kisame has lightning release yet you never see any of dat lmao.
😂😂 I be trying to interact with my community for real I don’t like to just have my comments build up that just leads to a disconnect between me and my community. I appreciate it 🙏🏻
Maybe you could do a Naruto and Sasuke vs nagato and Itachi. Like team vs team. Edo Itachi and nagato vs the kcm naruto and Sasuke from the same timeframe
Pre-kcm2 they lose itachi and ems sasuke are relative at that point nagato and Naruto are not. If this is kcm2 naruto and that version of sasuke they clear confidently.
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 wish the blade of totsuka wasn’t a thing so Naruto bee and Itachi really needed to fight nagato. Would be a sick fight
@38:45 I think minato only got to use Kcm 2 without battling kurama because they were fighting Madera and the other half of kurama was in partnership with Naruto. I think if he were fighting Naruto & the others he wouldn't help unless minato quickly fucks him up and grabs enough chakra for Kcm 1 this is my own head canon not fact it is not stated anywhere just to say
Would Enma really help Hiruzen in this scenario? Summons are known to have free will as long as they are smart. And may even betray the summoners, like Manda and Orochimaru's case
Only thing I'd have to argue here heavily in favor of tsunade is how Katsuyu can be the deciding factor in her even potentially winning. A fatigued split in half regenerated healing everyone else Byakugo tsunade along with a Sakura who was finally deemed her equal (yet still less capable than her fatigued version) were only able to summon 1/10th of Katsuyu. If this is a fully ready tsunade with byakugo and edo tensei that may just be the right grounds for almost unlimited chakra. Being able to summon most if not all of katsuyu would probably obliterate the battlefield or at least distract everyone allowing her to get close and duke it out with the heavy hitters because range is her biggest problem in this fight. For example she could use her lightning style to change the nervous system response (like on kabuto) on garra first ruining their chances in trapping her as Garra is not a genius like kabuto that can quickly adapt to it. without him it would be way tougher to seal her but the problem is for everyone if they go up against her is if they get hit they would all probably get one shotted in cqc as no one has the durability besides sage mode naruto to tank her punches or counter her jutsu. And sage naruto was a clone. In regard to Ohnoki he has it in him to beat her but in these circumstances and tsunades specialty in dodging jutsu out of being a medical specialist, they are all too close in speed which would not make a difference, even sage clone naruto if he got into close quarters would probably lose to tsunade as he is a clone and wouldn't be able to do too much to fully stop her unless he landed a rasenshuriken.
I have a question. I know that the Madara vs the Akatsuki question is an old question, but can the Akatsuki defeat Edo Madara with the Rinnegan and wood style but he can't use Tengai Shinsei or Perfect Susanoo. Is this Madara even without the meteors and Perfect Susanoo still too much for the Akatsuki?
Idk why people downplay minato, the one shot shows the nine tails holds Minato in hashiramas tier as a TEENAGER, like bro his sealing Jutsu is on par with hashiramas as a teen and his power was insane as a teen against the nine tails which was fully grown btw, like by the time he’s hokage the man’s a beast, why does he still get downplayed????
Hashirama isn’t even known for sealing jutsu so Kurama couldn’t have been comparing sealing. Its more so Minatos caliber and talent as a shinobi, hes in the same tier as Hashirama as a literal 14 or 15 year old. Dude is busted
Tobirama can use clones and have them tag the Kage while he runs in the opposite direction. Then starts teleporting them all away individually to different locations for one on ones. And if he is fighting Ohnoki and Garra he can tag them in previous match to teleport them away or into attacks of the others. Tobirama clearly outclasses them and would wipe. Hiruzen is said to scale above the other Kage when he is alive meaning he is above all of them there (minus Garra and Mei who werent the Kage at the time but he is clearly above them aswell). He should outright neg them based off that statement. If you wanna say he isnt...fine. But that statement matches the performance of him versus the Zetsu/Yammato duo. When they fell short he was still superior. The low-balling on Tobirama and Hiruzen gotta stop (in general not necessarily this channel). They have way too many statements and scaling implications that put them above anyone that isnt madara Hashirama Naruto Sasuke (6 paths characters aswell) and Otsusuki in Shippuden. If they are mentioned it should be assumed as such. Which is why if Kishimoto makes another poll on what he should do a short manga on it needs to be them and characters with little screen time so they can be properly seen for who they are. Also Minato, here is the thing. If you wanna scale Minato Rasengan to Bijuu Bomb 9 tails he is effectively planetary at base. HALF the 9 tails is a planet buster. If we scale Minato to that then that means he scales to planetary characters which means anyone in that tier is planetary (Mei Tsunade Ohnoki Sage Naruto Kakashi Guy etc). Which put the entire cast on a different scale of power then probably commonly accepted. If Koto is allowed for Danzo I can see him taking Naruto clone and using him to body the alliance. When the Kage fight starts he has the clone deal with the troublesome Kage and he fights Mei or Tsunade. Once he gets his Eye recharged which it will by then he takes whomever is the most threatening of the Kage. His goal wouldnt be to straight up win its slowly but surely taking away the strongest pieces to use for himself. Ohnaki and Danzo is formidable. If Naruto clone stayed alive that long its hard to imagine Mei Garra Ay Tsuna beating Ohnoki Danzo and Naruto clone. The thing with Danzo is Koto is stupid broken. For instance if he never had to deal with Obito he would habe Koto'd Sasuke. Game over immediately regardless of how powerful Sasuke is. If he can Koto anyone you always have a valuable win condition. So while yes he may not be the most physically imposing what he has is Hax, and experience. He is a master manipulator and no one knows about those Uchiha jutsu so if you kill him and his body vanishes he can just camp until he gets Koto and keep using it to take people over time. Hell even if he took Ohnoki in the beginning against the Alliance he is automatically in superior position. Garra fights Ohnoki (garra dies likely) and Ohnoki will then wipe the army. Before the other Kage get there. Danzo Ohnoko vs Mei Ay and Tsuna is gonna be a win for Danzo and Ohnoki
Danzo would be resurrected with his Izanagi arm. Hanzo came back with his Salamander sack, Nagato came back with his Rinnegan, and Gin/Kin came back with their Kyuubi Chakra. If the question is whether or not Edo would restore his Sharingan after Izanagi wipes them, I don't think it would. Izanagi is essentially a sealing jutsu.
The only point for Danzo is I would think Kabuto would revive him at his full strength because he was trying to win the war. That being said, Sasuke was relative to most of the Gokage individually but there were so many different attacks that could have taken Sasuke out and would also have taken Danzo out even with the sharingan arm. He's not clearing the 5 kage even if he clears the platoon. Heck, Tsunade would probably just continuously attack and heal forcing him to use up his Izanagis simply because of her disdain for him. He's getting blitzed by the Raikage, Partical style is ending him, Mais boil release is ending him and Gaara can seal him.
Would Katsuyu even work with an Edo Tensei Tsunade under Kabuto's control? I mean, I guess she might if she was also Edo Tensei, but I fricken doubt it otherwise.
It could def be effective since we know it works on EMS users however, that can also be chalked up to be a fresh EMS Sasuke so I don’t think it auto = to Madara. Especially when we know the Sharingan is monsterous defensively with genjutsu, the higher you go in dojutsu the higher your resistance. So Madara with the Rinnegan is prob gonna be cool with EMS kinda being debatable.
Ay's statements about speed are always cap as fuck imo. Dude is comparing his movement speed to Minato's FTG, which is like... stupid as fuck. Imo Ay's and KCM Naruto's movement speeds are WELL beyond alive Minato's. If Minato could have Shunshin dodged Ay's attack in the war, he would have, but he didn't. He used FTG at the literal last second, and Ay has advanced in movement speed two whole stages beyond that by the time of these statements.
While I think Tsunade gets defeated eventually Katsuyu would definitely be able to slip through Garra's sand. She can disapate into multiple slugs and also secrete acid that would eat through the sand and make her ungraspable. Also she is capapble of rejuvinating chakra for Tsunade as well. Taking down a Blood lusted Tsunade with a giant rampaging acid spewing slug that can seperate into an army of small acid spewing slugs would be much more challenging than said.
I think the implication for Hiruzen's fire style vs Madara's isn't that is greater in everything, since Madara's is fucking gigantic, but rather that it's more intense. Greater heat in a smaller area, which we can see him actually increase further during his battle with Orochimaru. You actually show the clip, but heavily edited to be nearly unrecognizable.
This is actually a really good point, I like this my only contention is that you can maybe argue due to the poison sac being implemented as a child it’s just considered a natural part of Hanzo as an adult as opposed to Danzo who had some late in life modification. Kinda gets into the Edo Tensei’s classification but, I’d lean toward the poison sac being different generally but again good loint
Fun fact for the Hiruzen hype🔥: He's known as the 2nd God of Shinobi and this can be seen in Tobirama's name..... "Tobirama" translated into English is sm like "The one who stands between 2 Pillars", those Pillars referring to Hashirama and Hiruzen, a.k.a. the 2 Gods of Shinobi
What? It’s Hashirama’s name (柱間) that referrs to the space between two pillars. “Hashira” being pillar, and “ma” being the space between. Tobirama’s name (扉間) means "the space between two doors".
To be honest Tg there are multiple versions of hiruzen that aren't talked about enough in verses battles like him from the minato flashback in generations and the one from when he trained the sanin literally those versions is the closest we can get to his prime that and his 2nd war version.
7:42 Considering how Mitotic Regeneration works. I think that Edo Tensei keeps the body in its prime depending on the user. So even if you did somehow manage to remove say... An arm from Edo Tsunade, she could use Mitotic Regeneration to make a new one and not have to worry about the cell division drawback.
Stopping at 17 mins. Yes Kurama would give Chakra, it was never the real Madara that caused it, it was Obito. Obito still needs to be in this situation for it to work. Naruto wouldn't even get Sage of Six Paths powers if he didn't have Kurama on his side, wouldn't make it that far. This whole idea was kind of eh, from the start, but once you fuck around with their powers it all falls apart.
I swear i live the hiruzen love. He became my favorite when people started hating on him. Story hiruzen got done dirty by bad writing and retcons. Imma just pretend it's not canon
edo tensai literally brings you back peak & prime with the ability to never take damage or die …. So Hashirama Edo tensai …. omg and y’all thought Madara was something else …… especially a rouge 4th …. sheesh that’s like naruto with sasukes speed and maturity and mindset yk but taka sasuke white long sleeve shirt him dude was just cool asf idk what is was about him but man Lord 4th no limits no kind heart is scary asf too
Its kind of weird Danzo wasn't brought back as an edo. He was kind of trash, but scaling to 5-Kage Summit Sasuke would put him above a lot of the people that were brought back. Plus it would give him a chance to be outright evil.
What is the scene starting at 34:19 where minato is fighting both killer bee and aye and he just casually Rasegans bee that’s hit was clean where is it from
19:25 "Way above any speed he might have been exposed to" You do realize Hiruzen knew Hashirama, Tobirama, (maybe even Madara) and Minato personally, all of which would be faster than the 4th Raikage in their alive states (yeah, I know, Minato's physical speed might not be as fast but the dude can teleport, so...). And Edo Hiruzen scales to them during the war arc. I think you underestimate him in terms of physical output. I do agree that he would have a hard time dealing with Sandcoffin and Particle Style, but I think he can actually contend on raw power.
Exposed to was just poor wording on my end. More so able to combat is what I was getting at. I do agree with you that he can contend in terms of raw pwoer
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@@RhyzRedemption They all go Sage Mode and a dozen Ransenshuriken nuke from the sky.
Imagine if Minato makes 100 Shadow clones and have them all spam Teleportation and Tailed beast bombs
@@MrGhst-np4zfminato ain’t doing 100 Shadow clones bruh
@@elzy697 3 Jonin level shinobi tried used Flyin rajin to teleport once and it drained there chakra and you think minato cant do 100 clones when it's the first jutsu taught by the academy? Stop watching naruto on youtube shorts and its literally edo minato we are talking about who has infinite chakra🤦🏽♂️
In this scenario, Tobirama and Minato would be absolute menaces. Tobirama could straight up nuke the battlefield with endless explosive tags and literally no one would see Minato and everyone would be dead unless they had insane reaction time .
Based on feats, I don't see Hiruzen being a problem. Tsunade's summon would be an issue more than Tsunade.
Hashirama is Hashirama, no diff GG
Hiruzan and Onoki are the embodiment of "beware the old man in a profession where men usually die young.".
Tobirama also knew the hidden mist technique, he would've popped that on the 5 Kage and sent water clones after them with bombs attached to them from all directions out of the mist to disorient them, and use FTG within the mist to perform assassinations on each of them while they were stunned.
Given his battle IQ leaning towards stealth and Intel, he'd quickly assess that the 5 don't have a sensory type, therefore can't detect the real Tobirama from the clones. Honestly it would be a quick and flawless win for him.
I actually wonder how long would it take for the Akatsuki to gather all 9 Bijuus if all of them are fighting together. Let's say to capture Gaara, the entire Akatsuki pulled up. I know this won't be good for the Akatsuki's reputation (since they're gathering money and are often hired as mercenaries), but just imagine the entire Akatsuki pulled up and jumped Naruto in that hotel in part 1 😂
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I mean I think their repuation kinda went into the shitter as soon as Deidara went to capture Gaara and nearly blew up the Sand Village, but yeah cool idea. They'd probably pack up all of the Bijuu pretty quickly. Only ones I see them having an issue with are 8 Tails (Killer Bee) and 9 Tails (Naruto) for obvious reasons, but they still slam.
uh if I remember right tsunade sent guy to check on them so jiraiaya would just hold them off as long as possible until guy pulls up and then we know how that ends for the entire akatsuki…
They already captured Bijuu 1-7 without losing a single member. All of them is overkill.
@@jag-hw7wdtop dawgs take out Bee easily together. And it depends on if Naruto goes full 9 tails which I doubt.
I find it funny that Tsunade cant beat the gauntlet but is one of the reasons why any hokage would have difficulties winning the 5 kage fight. Shes pretty cracked honestly if Madara wasnt essentially given a ton of bs buffs thanks to edo tensei and hashirama cells he could actually lose the 5 kage fight since he would need to worry about 1) chakra 2) reduced healing 3) no rinnegan as he only had it since he injected himself with senju dna.
I don't think it radically changes the outcome, but for Danzo you missed his suicide technique, Ura Shishō Fūin. If Edo Danzo could spam that (due to already being dead) I think it would be his premiere technique, and while I think the Gokage would be able to defeat him with long-range jutsu, it's an interesting scenario to consider *how* they would play against it.
Agreed I did not include it partially due to most characters being able to avoid it like even fatigued 5KS Sasuke but it’s a good point. It’s fundamentally a sealing technique but, if he could spam it like Deidara’s C0 could actually be crazy, good comment 👌🏻
It’s a Sealing Jutsu that I’m pretty sure the array is pre planted to be activated on a trigger and is one time use, so I don’t think it’s spamable like an ordinary jutsu.
I think that's true under "normal" circumstances (like if Danzo just got some crazy durability buff that let him survive it) but edo tensei seems to cause bodies to repeatedly reform as they were prior to death, e.g. clothes coming back, tandem paper bombs, etc. The only exception seems to be izanami / izanagi and truth seeker orbs. So, just like a regular edo tensei could repeatedly lose his limbs and regrow them, I think Danzo could repeatedly lose the seal and reform it.
Isnt blood needed for the Fuinjutsu to actually work??? Edo Danzo may not be able to do that.
@@nirjhar4803 That's an interesting point. But Edo Hashirama is able to summon the deity gates, so I do think (somehow) edos are able to use fuinjutsu.
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You also have to take in consideration that it's pretty reasonable to assume that Minato still has many ftg marks left around the world like just imagine him teleporting the kage in the grave of a random solider he killed years ago or wherever so that he can fight each one at a time by splitting them
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Same with Tobirama, imagine he just tps to the leaf village, grabs a few dead ninja, gets some dna of strong people and comes back with reinforcements😂
Idk how anyone can argue that Tandem Paper Bombs are usable with any medium other than Edo Tensei. He literally states that he uses it with Edo Tensei, and the replication only makes sense to use the BODY of the Edo Tensei as the medium for creating the tags in the first place. Like they're not made of fuckin skin. What is the community smoking?
@@HuhbroskiHe had Edo Tensei. He literally invented it. You have no idea how long he used it before he labeled it as Forbidden.
@@HuhbroskiYes. With Edo Tensei. The Jutsu he created and used any number of times before he banned it. Like I literally just said.
yes tobirama was actually scaring with edo tensei he would basically summon the dead for intel and just spam them as kamakazi. his edo tensai also seems to be more refined and feared than orochimaru's one in the attack on the leaf.
@@Necromancer4267 and to add to your point he didnt seem to be shy with using it, considering hashirama constantly scolding him for it and not being happy with him when they got revived in the war arc, and all the second era hokage all thinking that a sage mode kabuto was tobirama who summoned them. all the second era kage who knew of edo tensei thought it was tobirama.
@@see3deezzEvery Edo thought they were brought back by Tobirama, so obviously he used it very often or was known for using it.
It's the most obvious call in the world to say that it HAS to be used with Edo Tensei. Tobirama literally says that's what he uses it with.
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Hey so quick note at 24:05 there’s a little note that talks about the Reaper Death Seal, I didn’t get to get into this in the recording but this is still a technique that would take down both users despite the Hokage using it being an Edo Tensei as the technique seals the soul meaning the Edo Tensei body is irrelevant, as displayed with Hiruzen using it on Tobirama and Hashirama. It doesn’t matter which end of the technique the user is, their soul will be extracted from the Edo Tensei body at the end of the ritual like we saw. So at best it’s a draw which you can actually say makes it a bit easier for Hiruzen/Minato if you go down this road. Just a little note since I didn’t get to throw this in the video. Apologies for the filler like video currently on a trip 🙏🏻 more regular uploads soon.
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Bros apologizing for a goated video😳 if u consider this filler I can't wait for what u actually have seriously planned
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Bro this is a very brilliant and original topic that i have never seen anyone else cover. Well done
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One of the interesting things that would come up with Edo Tsunade. Since she wouldn’t need to be keeping any of her chakra in reserve for healing or anything, she’d be able to go wild with her ninjutsu showcasing her abilities with 4 of the elemental natures, yin & yang, and possibly even some Uzumaki clan Sealing techniques
Or boost stats even higher or fully summon her summon as she and Sakura together only sumon a small part of it.
So regarding Tobirama's Water Style, isn't there a Statement in the 10 year Anniversary Databook about his Water Cutter Drill Move that's like "Surely There's nothing it can't cut" or something along that line. So while There's not necessarily a feat for it, I think that with that Statement and the fact that There's no Anti Feat for it either, I think it could be assumed that his Water Style would actually be an issue for the Kage as well.
Also unrelated, but as a Video Idea, what About having Ginkaku and Kinkaku run an Akatsuki Gauntlet? Sort of a What if the Akatsuki tried to capture them instead of Naruto if they would still be alive.
Yeah I was considering throwing that in as it has pretty good statements for the time it’s made.
I could also def do a Kinkaku & Ginkaku vid 🔥
Good video and i was so worried about the tobirama down play but it was fairly solid. However with tandem, its more so said and implied by him that 1. tandem is and was made to go with reanimation, so they are two separate things used in "conjunction with" (the words used in the data book) tandem paper bomb, its his mo to catch people off guard and what better way to do it, edo is more chakra friendly than using suicide clones which drain chakra faster as he makes more. 2. tobirama can use 1-2 handsigns for jutsus meaning the waterdragon can be blasted in someones face as he has all natures he can adjust. I agree with your conclusion though i believe he just uses the original to have them hit him and tag them in return, once all or most are tagged then 1 clone for each goes in with a tandem and gg.
lastly, its very obvious he can escape tandem with ftg as you can escape if you know its comming like when he warned the others. if you dont believe that then i hope you keep that mind set when you make him vs minato and you make an attempt to say minato ftgs out of tandem.
The reason he cant ftg out isn't because he's not fast enough, it's because he is the tandem paper bombs
@nathansnively1537 you are correct there. However, the tandem paperbombs are separate to the edo tensei so he can give then to clones or like he did with obito, throw them out and teleport away. Of course with clones, it isnt efficient use of chakra
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3:26 - Tsunade was referring to basic medical ninjutsu not any other advanced forms of med ninjutsu. Tsunade can destroy battlefields on a whim and take out majority of the shinobi from just the collateral damage from her attacks (Sakura punch in the war arc for example). 5:45 - Tsunade tanked the damage from the jutsu in her base form while the raikage needed his shroud to survive the technique. Tsunade later healed the injuries after arriving on the battlefield. Byakugou amped Tsunade and byakugou amped katsuyu is a serious combination esp for Garra Tsunade smashes straight through any defense he tries to put up and katsuyu's acid dissolves solid stone upon immediate contact, just imagine what it'll do to sand, reinforced or not. Katsuyu's acid is the most potent burning/acidic technique we have seen in the anime, no other acidic or firestyle jutsu has shown to burn through solid rock much less dmg said rock. Not even kauguya's acid dimension's acid was burning the rock-like structure that Sakura and Obito were on. Katsuyu is not slow either as she was able to blitz the village and continuously shield persons last second from pain's attacks.
100 Healings is very debatable as we know it can restore severed limbs / organs but, have no evidence it can actually restore a torn chakra network which is treated as a threat to Naruto himself who has passive regen. So it is HIGHLY questionable to just not likely that she’s be able to just big body a rasenshuriken.
The acid point is really mute as Firestyle Jutsu have statements of vaporization rocks in Sasuke Jin Raiden or the Databook, with Hiruzen’s just noting it turns the target to ash. So no katsuyu’s acid is not more potent than all of these techniques. If you wanna say it’s comparable sure by all means but burning a rock isn’t that impressive compared to other burning attacks.
Everything else is fine I agree Byakugou amped Tsunade is strong af even tho she doesn’t win.
@ThunderGodTG No other firestyle/burning technique had shown to be more potent than Katsuyu's acid. Jiraiya's amped toad flame bomb did nothing to the ground, hiruzen's firestyle did nothing to the rooftop, itachi, sasuke and madara firestyle jutsus did nothing to the earth. Katsuyu's acid vaporize solid stone immediately. An amped amateratsu combination attack couldn't even burn the juubi and leave any noticeable damage on it. Had Katsuyu's acid touch the juubi it would have melted the affected area into nothingness and any other area the acid hits. Even in the itachi fight when sasuke firestyle hit itachi he wasn't burnt that badly. Firestyle has shown to be able to blow apart rocks but not disintegrate them. Amateratsu couldn't even burn through sand which is less durable than rock. Amateratsu didn't even shown burning damage to madara's armour. Katsuyu's acid is so potent that it can one-shot orochimaru and orochimaru has eaten a lot of firestyle/burning techniques and survived. Amateratsu didn't even cause burn damage to kaguya or jigen😅
Tsunade literally regenerated severed networks from kabutot/orochimaru fight with naruto with basic medical ninjutsu... She later used creation rebirth on herself to regenerate new organ cells, severed chakra networks, tissues, bones in short all the damage she sustained. She recovered from madara's susanoo sword with byakugou without any effort. Even when she was cut in half she had to heal her bisected body parts, chakra networks, organs, intestines and everything that was misplaced and she did this with regular medical ninjutsu😅. On top of that, all the other kage's who were damaged and had injuries to their organs, chakra networks etc were all fully restored with basic medical ninjutsu all of which were minimal compared to the condition Tsunade was in compared to them.
How do they survive a punch like what Sakura did in the war arc in Tsunade's case and she can just throw them out on a whim without any wind up, exhausting herself or any prep time needed.
Katsuyu Acid > Amaterasu is certainly a take I’ll say that much, stand on that king
Its not a take its facts. Not only is Katsuyu's acid better, its also sage jutsu and cannot be absorbed. It covers a wider area and it starts vaporizing whatever it hits immediately. @ThunderGodTG
Ngl its insanely off but go off
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Odd note, but thank you so much for pronouncing "kumite" correctly. I think you're the only Naruto content creator I've heard pronounce that the right way. I'm subbing on that alone lol
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Love the Hiruzen take, and I agree with most of the points you said
Although I'd argue Edo Hiruzen is actually just as his old version and not his Prime version since he literally returned in his Oldman body with grey hair and stuff.
And remember for Edo Hiruzen v Alliance, he has probably more Battle experience than anyone there other than maybe Onoki
Oh I agree that’s entirely what Edo Hiruzen is, he’s just buffed weirdly despite being weakened due to severe stamina issues while alive that made a lot of his Edo feats not really possible
Saying that hiruzen at least = sanins is crazy, well jiraiya died before the war arc so he didn't get that giant boost that every one got, but, orochimaru is way to strong, Zetsu body ( whit has means he doesn’t need to change bodies) with all of the abilities of Kabuto and the sound village 5. If jiraiya got that boost that statement would have been false, but again he died before, but orochimaru is really top level in the war arc.
Bruh he died to pain and Naruto remained barely above pain for majority of the war arc@@user-kn6fm6ml9p
Love these hypothetical scenarios buddy! 🤜
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About the third, hear me out.
Four shadow clones, reaper death seal.
Easy gg😂
It is also important to note that besides Kisame who is arguably the best suiton user SHOWN in the manga, Mei Terumi makes an arguable case for second-3rd best suiton user. Despite being an excellent suiton user, Tobirama has never demonstrated the same capabilities as Kisame and Mei and also never did anything to further in the war to show his reputation as the best in that area. Mei has shown suiton feats that rival even Madara's fire style jutsu and he is the best at fire style. She and the Rikage also have shown the teamwork and mastery to create the Raisuiryūdan that has the ability to paralyze the enemy and in addition, she and the Raikage seem to have complete control of this jutsu being able to keep it active for a relatively long period, that spells trouble for Tobirama. She also did this in a dessert environment. This is just some fun facts for anyone who wants to argue about Tobirama's suiton in the comment section.
You know.....if Minato teleports Tsunade away.......they're fucked. She has literally 0 methods of getting back to the battlefield before Minato kills the others, if they get hit with more than i'll give the benefit of 2 Resegans...they're fucked. Their healer and biggest muscle has been teleported to god knows where. His sage mode is "dog shit" yet he is a perfect sage and able to enter it faster than anyone else....yeah no, it's not dog shit. It just isn't compatible with his fighting style.
DO EACH HOKAGE.VS 1-9 TAILS and how far they clear.
Or the scene where Madara took on all 9 at once, but replace with each hokage
ngl you kinda cooked with that vid idea LMAO I'll def put that on the list
Minato’s AP either outscales Hiruzen or his sealing is so potent that his AP doesn’t matter.
And that fact that Minato has more AP than Tobirama and Tobirama passes his section means he completely clears.
Just the fact Hiruzen was waiting for Minato to arrive to stop the Nine Tails is cracked.
This is true
I only clicked the video to see hashirama in madara’s place and he’s not even added 😭
Bro’s want to see the Madara who doesn’t fuck around 😭 I explain it in the vid
Edo Hiruzen still have same chakra reserves as Part I Hiruzen @@ThunderGodTG
Prime hurizen is an interesting video topic. Wrinkly old edo hurizen is still like one of the strongest people ever 0.o
You could make the argument for Tsunade being able to summon 100% of Katsuya's full size due to the fact she'd be edo tensei. Also she could infinitely refill the 100 healings mark because of the infinite chakra.
This is actually an insanely cool take
Tsunade's Heavenly Foot of Pain is noted to potentially be able to wipe out an entire country at once, and even if that is only referring to attack potency (questionable either way), she had enough strength to pin Manda who is larger than a smaller snake who collapsed an entire giant castle just by being summoned, so putting in her full force into an attack should essentially cause a localized earthquake which could do good area of effect damage, or otherwise make terrain manipulation less viable (a single finger causing a fissure earlier).
Some implication that Tsunade's full strength is actually stronger than her own durability and she just regenerates the difference.
Gaara's sand failed to bind Kimimaro who just forcibly overpowered its grip. Madara might have just not cared to resist the tug since he is sandbagging, Tsunade meanwhile may simple pull the grip off of herself.
Tsunade can also physically grab chakra as shown by her trying to stab Madara with his own Susanoo, her batting away Madara's Fire Release with her arms, and Sakura similarly grabbing a beartrap made of lightning in Sakura Hiden, further making her harder to pin down.
Katsuyu is questionable as they could just elect not to listen to Tsunade if they are summoned against the alliance. Ignoring, that, though, as an Edo Tensei as she regenerates more and more chakra Tsunade could keep summoning more and more of Katsuyu, which even less than 10% is Manda size, whilst the full 100% might be more than even Gaara could reasonably handle.
Other databook statements of the title of professor alludes to him being able to perform them, not that Hiruzen would in character. He does at least use what appears to be some sort of Inuzuka jutsu to get out of the Bringer of Darkness genjutsu, then again, so does Kakashi in Naruto Gaiden.
Sasuke's first Fire Release is noted to vaporize stone in Rin no Sho which is arguably superior to ash. Itachi's basic Fire Release is also called the hottest of all Fire Release in I believe the anniversary guide which would be a more reputable source than an anime guide, not that it really affects the outcome, here.
Enma was able to stop the advance of Hashirama's degraded Wood Release, and alongside a stronger Hiruzen will make him rather difficult to pin down.
Water Release does not stop sand. Gengetsu has special oil which might even be a kekkei genkai, not that Hiruzen could not just use Enma to break out. This is mentioned later in relation to Tobirama, but it is never said regular water stops Gaara's sand to begin with. It does not seem any weaker when flowing alongside Mei's Water Release to bind Madara.
Also special mention for the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique which is noted to be a high Hokage-class jutsu which may prove difficult to stop and is rather versatile.
The alliance against Guruguru Zetsu were fatigued by fighting them, as they did not fight until then after Tsunade had just restored them after she was healed by Karin, and there is no indication either Karin or Tsunade did not bring then up to full. Tsunade was able to amplify Ōnoki beyond 100% for his massive Dust Release and also healed him back up to normal before he reentered the fight with Madara, so it just seems Guruguru was so potent he could force them back to near-nothing, and Hiruzen still scales to it.
Hiruzen has explicit knowledge of Dust Release as shown against Obito so he might have some sort of countermeasure ready for it. As shown in the Boruto anime, Dust Release can be prematurely cancelled if enough ninjutsu is fired at it, which Hiruzen has in spades, for example, so the advantage may actually be in his direction rather than Ōnoki's.
Hiruzen can trap Tsunade in a Vajra Cage and it is unclear if she would have enough force to overpower Enma in that case.
Mei cannot use full potency Boil Release since she is not in an enclosed space and she might also accidentally start hurting her allies. Lava Release meanwhile is more easy to circumvent since it is only in a single location at once.
On the note of Katsuyu, in Part I Enma is considered the strongest of all summons which would scale him above the Boss Summons, and he can clone himself dozens of times over for the Vajra Cage.
Gaara's Mausoleum even when amplified by Shukaku's inherent sealing was insufficient to block out Madara's humanoid Susanoo. Whilst Hiruzen likely does not scale to this, considering it was amplified by Shukaku, the ceiling is also likely lesser, and he has access to either Enma who (as aforementioned) could block a degraded Wood Release, and his own ability to spit out swarms of nature transformation and/or shuriken.
Gaara does not have sealing ios not instant, and during the window when the tags are being applied against Enma, Hiruzen would just summon him back out. In fact, it is possible Enma could actually do the reverse as shown by the toads summoning Naruto to Myōbokuzan, doubly so when either of them can make Shadow Clones which can do this.
Gaara as a genin was able to flood the terrain with a tsunami of sand and pull Kimimaro downwards quite a depth to bury him so he might just force Tobirama's water downward, albeit this is a losing battle due to the fact Tobirama's chakra is near-infinite.
I feel Tobirama's Water Release being unable to do as much to the Shinju as Hiruzen swinging Enma is meant to be an indication of the that which is near the limits of his (regular) attack potency. Albeit, arguable if any of the Gokage's attack potency is at the level of Enma's, either.
Whilst Madara was rampaging against the alliance, Gaara and some others were sitting in the back, and the Sharingan has telescopic vision so Danzō could potentially grab Gaara or someone else and bring them to his side.
Bro I gotta ask you out here doing alla this you might as well drop your own vids honestly. I see you on other channels too, might as well catch a bag.
This is a generally good comment although I minority disagree with some stuff but I ain’t sending you 4 paragraphs back so you got it.
Just subbed tbh but very good comment!
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I think one of the greatest bits of intrigue about Naruto is how the powerscaling is not very cut and dry in terms of both speed, physical power vs. jutsu potency, durability, and all that, not to even include the nuance of circumstances. It allows fans to make up ridiculous head cannon about their favorite characters, so the debate never ends. Lol
Yo finally the G.O.A.T is back hope you had a great vacation bro btw can you do a "what if itachi and sasuke fought obito Instead of Kakashi" in the war arc ?
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Good video so far. I'd argue that the tandem paper bombs should scale to like the 10 tails biju bomb. This is because of the deity gate feat as u mentioned and also just logic wise. Hashirama moments b4 mentioned that juubito was stronger than himself even with his wood clones reabsorbed. It wouldn't then make sense for tobirama to use a jutsu which is primarily ap based (no hax really) which was weaker than hashiramas jutsu. It then makes sense that he would use something comparable to the 10 tails biju bomb which when juubito fired on himself and the shinobi alliance he had to encase himself in truth seeking orb sphere.
Also tobirama could put any of the kage down (excluding tsunade and ay) with kunai or swords like he did izuna. They don't have iron skin or regen.
Regarding minato I don't scale him to the 9 tails biju bomb. This is cuz of a scaling chain where his attack is comparable to konan who performed the same damage to obito that minatos rasengan did. Then scaling from there jiraiya to sage mode jiraiya to pain to the 6 tails, it wouldn't make any sense for six tails of 1/2 the 9 tails to be leagues above the full 9 tails
Yeah I agree I was def playing a bit of devils advocate since it changes a lot and some people are on the fence about it
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See I’m glad you said what you did about dragon flame bomb I had a big debate about hiruzen having the best fire style and how that move is depicted as the strongest fire jutsu not only for the reasons you discuss but as well as having proof with it being the only instance of white hot flames in the whole show I’m not sure if that includes boruto tho
i HATE that everyone says the mizukage is weak or the weakest of the 5 kage. She solo’d kage summit Sasuke and has some of the best water jutsu showings in the entire series. She could not use her mist to great effect in a group battle, as it put the other kage in danger. Her ONLY anti feat is that her lava style lacked the ap to damage madara. However, if she could use her mist, the attack potency of her lava would’ve skyrocketed. Mizukage’s primary weakness is that she is stronger when fighting alone.
Mei is NOT gonna smash dawg
Honestly, this is an amazing video.
My GOAT thank you bro 🙏🏻
I was expecting Kakashi at the end, great video tho
Another thing to keep in mind is sand usually has trace amounts of salt so that slug would be extra screwed when gara seals it
Some more awesome scenarios bro, I enjoyed it , keep ir up ThunderGod! Its always good to see some new match ups really reminds the number of possibilities this story gave us. I mean outside of taste or nostalgia there's a reason we get more match ups for Naruto right?... we know the characters and the system better. Cann't let all that untapped potential go to waste!
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Honestly the way I see Minato is that he was the closest person to reaching that Ashura and Indara reincarnate levels of power. Like he's not on the same level of Madara or Hashirama. But he was the closest person to reach that level before Naruto and Sasuke. I honestly think he absolutely dog walks the Division and handedly defeats the 5 Kage. But great video! Mainly commenting to boost it.
@@Zwidekalanga24hes close when hes in kurama mode, other than that only his speed is close to that level
@@Zwidekalanga24 you're mistaken, he's close to regular Madara and Hashirama power while using kcm, close, but not equal, his only advantage would only be his speed and reaction time, other than that he lose in all category even tho hes buffed up with kcm.
KCM Minato would be above base Hashirama, but not Sage Hashirama
Tobirama out here with his Bakugan music
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Massive W on that Tobirama section!
Also, the blue paper Bomb explosions at 32:18 actually look really cool.
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Oh boy the thumbnail just reminds me of a twitter discussion...
Can't wait to say ive been here since the beginning when you hit that million subs
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I love explanations of my favorite characters absolutely destroying other characters even if it’s redundant. Rip Hashirama
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You didn’t mention Kakashi in the video, was wondering what your take on that is. Obviously DMS Kakashi Slams, but what’s your take on War Arc Kakashi and Hokage Kakashi.
I mention that in the vid towards the end, but end of War Arc/Hokage should clear
I love TG,he seems like such a genuine and cool guy,unlike some other Vs battle RUclipsrs who come across as condescending
Hey! I appreciate that! ✊🏻 I just be chilling bro we talking about cartoons at the end of the day can’t get crazy 😂
@@ThunderGodTG TG is pretty "interesting"
Nah don’t do me like that 😂 I know I got a problem with that word
U should do a video with the topic being Inuyasha and Sesshomuru being dropped into the 4th great ninja war and seeing how good they'd do
Backlash Wave sending a Ten Tails TBB back at it 100 fold would be destruction incarnate
Minato can teleport away even from the massive Particle Style. When he acts as a human shield to teleport away Madara's Gudoudamas so Guy can attack he goes all the way to the Hokage monument in the Leaf. We see him there with the Gudoudamas on his cloak when Madara uses the Shin Jukai Koutan. He has markings on the Leaf and probably in other countries as well, he doesn't need the kunai to escape.
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What’s this thunder bark stuff? I’m missing some context.
@___________6181 be glad that u don't know the context trust me u don't wanna know
@@___________0Z0X it’s from a stream where he barked for $150
33:52 Tobirama does have all 5 chakra natures, he just happens to use water the most, according to the data books so it’s not like he only has a handful of options. Just wanted to throw that out there
A lot of characters actually have a few chakra natures it’s just they don’t main them or utilize them like their main. Like for example Kisame has lightning release yet you never see any of dat lmao.
@@ThunderGodTGbro you real ash only RUclipsr on this level I see in the comment section like this
😂😂 I be trying to interact with my community for real I don’t like to just have my comments build up that just leads to a disconnect between me and my community. I appreciate it 🙏🏻
@@ThunderGodTG holy shit lowkey bin watching fa awhile just on different accounts type shit never really commented till now buh definitely gon fw more
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I love the broken bond clip you put in here, that game was my sh**!
Well well well seems Thunderfrog the strongest barker of today is back Les go
Maybe you could do a Naruto and Sasuke vs nagato and Itachi. Like team vs team. Edo Itachi and nagato vs the kcm naruto and Sasuke from the same timeframe
Nagato alone clears both
@@mdot9835 could take multiple versions. He doesn’t clear all versions
Pre-kcm2 they lose itachi and ems sasuke are relative at that point nagato and Naruto are not. If this is kcm2 naruto and that version of sasuke they clear confidently.
@@justanothercommenterwithan9089 wish the blade of totsuka wasn’t a thing so Naruto bee and Itachi really needed to fight nagato. Would be a sick fight
@38:45 I think minato only got to use Kcm 2 without battling kurama because they were fighting Madera and the other half of kurama was in partnership with Naruto. I think if he were fighting Naruto & the others he wouldn't help unless minato quickly fucks him up and grabs enough chakra for Kcm 1 this is my own head canon not fact it is not stated anywhere just to say
Yeah some people argue it’s the more mastered variant of KCM1 that Naruto exhibits so that’s an entirely fair take
Would Enma really help Hiruzen in this scenario? Summons are known to have free will as long as they are smart. And may even betray the summoners, like Manda and Orochimaru's case
Hiruzen is awesome. I don't think he get's enough love in the community. Imo Enma is the coolest summon
Only thing I'd have to argue here heavily in favor of tsunade is how Katsuyu can be the deciding factor in her even potentially winning. A fatigued split in half regenerated healing everyone else Byakugo tsunade along with a Sakura who was finally deemed her equal (yet still less capable than her fatigued version) were only able to summon 1/10th of Katsuyu. If this is a fully ready tsunade with byakugo and edo tensei that may just be the right grounds for almost unlimited chakra. Being able to summon most if not all of katsuyu would probably obliterate the battlefield or at least distract everyone allowing her to get close and duke it out with the heavy hitters because range is her biggest problem in this fight. For example she could use her lightning style to change the nervous system response (like on kabuto) on garra first ruining their chances in trapping her as Garra is not a genius like kabuto that can quickly adapt to it.
without him it would be way tougher to seal her but the problem is for everyone if they go up against her is if they get hit they would all probably get one shotted in cqc as no one has the durability besides sage mode naruto to tank her punches or counter her jutsu. And sage naruto was a clone. In regard to Ohnoki he has it in him to beat her but in these circumstances and tsunades specialty in dodging jutsu out of being a medical specialist, they are all too close in speed which would not make a difference, even sage clone naruto if he got into close quarters would probably lose to tsunade as he is a clone and wouldn't be able to do too much to fully stop her unless he landed a rasenshuriken.
I have a question. I know that the Madara vs the Akatsuki question is an old question, but can the Akatsuki defeat Edo Madara with the Rinnegan and wood style but he can't use Tengai Shinsei or Perfect Susanoo. Is this Madara even without the meteors and Perfect Susanoo still too much for the Akatsuki?
It’s entirely possible for the akatsuki to win especially with Madara fighting in character
Idk why people downplay minato, the one shot shows the nine tails holds Minato in hashiramas tier as a TEENAGER, like bro his sealing Jutsu is on par with hashiramas as a teen and his power was insane as a teen against the nine tails which was fully grown btw, like by the time he’s hokage the man’s a beast, why does he still get downplayed????
Hashirama isn’t even known for sealing jutsu so Kurama couldn’t have been comparing sealing. Its more so Minatos caliber and talent as a shinobi, hes in the same tier as Hashirama as a literal 14 or 15 year old. Dude is busted
Tobirama can use clones and have them tag the Kage while he runs in the opposite direction. Then starts teleporting them all away individually to different locations for one on ones. And if he is fighting Ohnoki and Garra he can tag them in previous match to teleport them away or into attacks of the others. Tobirama clearly outclasses them and would wipe.
Hiruzen is said to scale above the other Kage when he is alive meaning he is above all of them there (minus Garra and Mei who werent the Kage at the time but he is clearly above them aswell). He should outright neg them based off that statement. If you wanna say he isnt...fine. But that statement matches the performance of him versus the Zetsu/Yammato duo. When they fell short he was still superior.
The low-balling on Tobirama and Hiruzen gotta stop (in general not necessarily this channel). They have way too many statements and scaling implications that put them above anyone that isnt madara Hashirama Naruto Sasuke (6 paths characters aswell) and Otsusuki in Shippuden. If they are mentioned it should be assumed as such. Which is why if Kishimoto makes another poll on what he should do a short manga on it needs to be them and characters with little screen time so they can be properly seen for who they are.
Also Minato, here is the thing. If you wanna scale Minato Rasengan to Bijuu Bomb 9 tails he is effectively planetary at base. HALF the 9 tails is a planet buster. If we scale Minato to that then that means he scales to planetary characters which means anyone in that tier is planetary (Mei Tsunade Ohnoki Sage Naruto Kakashi Guy etc). Which put the entire cast on a different scale of power then probably commonly accepted.
If Koto is allowed for Danzo I can see him taking Naruto clone and using him to body the alliance. When the Kage fight starts he has the clone deal with the troublesome Kage and he fights Mei or Tsunade. Once he gets his Eye recharged which it will by then he takes whomever is the most threatening of the Kage. His goal wouldnt be to straight up win its slowly but surely taking away the strongest pieces to use for himself. Ohnaki and Danzo is formidable. If Naruto clone stayed alive that long its hard to imagine Mei Garra Ay Tsuna beating Ohnoki Danzo and Naruto clone. The thing with Danzo is Koto is stupid broken. For instance if he never had to deal with Obito he would habe Koto'd Sasuke. Game over immediately regardless of how powerful Sasuke is. If he can Koto anyone you always have a valuable win condition. So while yes he may not be the most physically imposing what he has is Hax, and experience. He is a master manipulator and no one knows about those Uchiha jutsu so if you kill him and his body vanishes he can just camp until he gets Koto and keep using it to take people over time. Hell even if he took Ohnoki in the beginning against the Alliance he is automatically in superior position. Garra fights Ohnoki (garra dies likely) and Ohnoki will then wipe the army. Before the other Kage get there. Danzo Ohnoko vs Mei Ay and Tsuna is gonna be a win for Danzo and Ohnoki
Danzo would be resurrected with his Izanagi arm. Hanzo came back with his Salamander sack, Nagato came back with his Rinnegan, and Gin/Kin came back with their Kyuubi Chakra. If the question is whether or not Edo would restore his Sharingan after Izanagi wipes them, I don't think it would. Izanagi is essentially a sealing jutsu.
The only point for Danzo is I would think Kabuto would revive him at his full strength because he was trying to win the war. That being said, Sasuke was relative to most of the Gokage individually but there were so many different attacks that could have taken Sasuke out and would also have taken Danzo out even with the sharingan arm. He's not clearing the 5 kage even if he clears the platoon. Heck, Tsunade would probably just continuously attack and heal forcing him to use up his Izanagis simply because of her disdain for him. He's getting blitzed by the Raikage, Partical style is ending him, Mais boil release is ending him and Gaara can seal him.
Would Katsuyu even work with an Edo Tensei Tsunade under Kabuto's control? I mean, I guess she might if she was also Edo Tensei, but I fricken doubt it otherwise.
Yo ThunderGod what are your thoughts on kotoamatsukami working on Madara? especially from shisui himself.
It could def be effective since we know it works on EMS users however, that can also be chalked up to be a fresh EMS Sasuke so I don’t think it auto = to Madara. Especially when we know the Sharingan is monsterous defensively with genjutsu, the higher you go in dojutsu the higher your resistance. So Madara with the Rinnegan is prob gonna be cool with EMS kinda being debatable.
Ay's statements about speed are always cap as fuck imo. Dude is comparing his movement speed to Minato's FTG, which is like... stupid as fuck. Imo Ay's and KCM Naruto's movement speeds are WELL beyond alive Minato's. If Minato could have Shunshin dodged Ay's attack in the war, he would have, but he didn't. He used FTG at the literal last second, and Ay has advanced in movement speed two whole stages beyond that by the time of these statements.
While I think Tsunade gets defeated eventually Katsuyu would definitely be able to slip through Garra's sand. She can disapate into multiple slugs and also secrete acid that would eat through the sand and make her ungraspable. Also she is capapble of rejuvinating chakra for Tsunade as well. Taking down a Blood lusted Tsunade with a giant rampaging acid spewing slug that can seperate into an army of small acid spewing slugs would be much more challenging than said.
Video Idea: Each Hokage in Kakashi's position against Itachi in part 1.
I think the implication for Hiruzen's fire style vs Madara's isn't that is greater in everything, since Madara's is fucking gigantic, but rather that it's more intense. Greater heat in a smaller area, which we can see him actually increase further during his battle with Orochimaru. You actually show the clip, but heavily edited to be nearly unrecognizable.
Would summons help the edo kage? Summons aren't obligated to help and the hokage are fighting because they are forced to.
I would love to see an Alucard vs. Sakuna discussion as unrelated as it is,
If Hanzo was revived with the poison sac still implanted, I don't see why Danzo wouldn't be revived with his sharingan arm.
This is actually a really good point, I like this my only contention is that you can maybe argue due to the poison sac being implemented as a child it’s just considered a natural part of Hanzo as an adult as opposed to Danzo who had some late in life modification. Kinda gets into the Edo Tensei’s classification but, I’d lean toward the poison sac being different generally but again good loint
Fun fact for the Hiruzen hype🔥:
He's known as the 2nd God of Shinobi and this can be seen in Tobirama's name.....
"Tobirama" translated into English is sm like "The one who stands between 2 Pillars", those Pillars referring to Hashirama and Hiruzen, a.k.a. the 2 Gods of Shinobi
What? It’s Hashirama’s name (柱間) that referrs to the space between two pillars. “Hashira” being pillar, and “ma” being the space between. Tobirama’s name (扉間) means "the space between two doors".
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Always remember Hiruzen was said to be the strongest shinobi during his Reign mainly before Pain and Minato
To be honest Tg there are multiple versions of hiruzen that aren't talked about enough in verses battles like him from the minato flashback in generations and the one from when he trained the sanin literally those versions is the closest we can get to his prime that and his 2nd war version.
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Particle style gg tsunade😭😭
7:42 Considering how Mitotic Regeneration works. I think that Edo Tensei keeps the body in its prime depending on the user. So even if you did somehow manage to remove say... An arm from Edo Tsunade, she could use Mitotic Regeneration to make a new one and not have to worry about the cell division drawback.
Stopping at 17 mins. Yes Kurama would give Chakra, it was never the real Madara that caused it, it was Obito. Obito still needs to be in this situation for it to work. Naruto wouldn't even get Sage of Six Paths powers if he didn't have Kurama on his side, wouldn't make it that far. This whole idea was kind of eh, from the start, but once you fuck around with their powers it all falls apart.
Ngl this whole vid is strictly a vaccum type of video of course if you mess with it the vid doesn’t work.
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I swear i live the hiruzen love. He became my favorite when people started hating on him. Story hiruzen got done dirty by bad writing and retcons. Imma just pretend it's not canon
edo tensai literally brings you back peak & prime with the ability to never take damage or die …. So Hashirama Edo tensai …. omg and y’all thought Madara was something else …… especially a rouge 4th …. sheesh that’s like naruto with sasukes speed and maturity and mindset yk but taka sasuke white long sleeve shirt him dude was just cool asf idk what is was about him but man Lord 4th no limits no kind heart is scary asf too
Its kind of weird Danzo wasn't brought back as an edo. He was kind of trash, but scaling to 5-Kage Summit Sasuke would put him above a lot of the people that were brought back. Plus it would give him a chance to be outright evil.
What is the scene starting at 34:19 where minato is fighting both killer bee and aye and he just casually Rasegans bee that’s hit was clean where is it from
It’s Naruto opening like 12 or 13
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Honestly not a bad video concept
19:25 "Way above any speed he might have been exposed to" You do realize Hiruzen knew Hashirama, Tobirama, (maybe even Madara) and Minato personally, all of which would be faster than the 4th Raikage in their alive states (yeah, I know, Minato's physical speed might not be as fast but the dude can teleport, so...). And Edo Hiruzen scales to them during the war arc. I think you underestimate him in terms of physical output. I do agree that he would have a hard time dealing with Sandcoffin and Particle Style, but I think he can actually contend on raw power.
Exposed to was just poor wording on my end. More so able to combat is what I was getting at. I do agree with you that he can contend in terms of raw pwoer
@ThunderGodTG I enjoyed your segment on Tobirama a lot btw :)
Appreciate that ✊🏻