@inthegutterstaringathestars Jordan did what it took to win, and the stats and accolades just naturally compiled. LeBron has been backwards. He hunts the stats and accolades while adding as much star talent around him as possible to make championships easy. Despite this, Jordan has better stats and accolades. 😂
@inthegutterstaringathestars are you okay? We aren't talking about TEAMS in a Goat convo. LBJ holds the record for most points and is a consistent loser.
@inthegutterstaringathestars Are you drunk. This video is about the GOAT topic. Teams aren't GOATs and I didn't mention Teams. Go be dumb somewhere else. We don't have time to look up all the teams LBJ jumped to. We know he LOST...
Out of all these years, I have never heard a young person say they wanted to play like Lebron. But, the whole world wanted to be like Mike. Even LeBum wants to be like Mike.
@@GLOCK__Mane while watching kids playing ball on the court, I haven't seen or heard any kids saying or emulating LeBum. I've heard them mention Kobe, Steph, Kyrie, and even KD. But, never LeBum.
The S* I don’t get Kareem was there for years from winning championships and scoring but no one ever mentioning him as the Goat but as soon Lebron surpass him he is now the goat..Make it make sense
Agreed. I dont count the Mickey Mouse championship during covid when alot of players opted out that year. He hasn't done anything to be put over Kareem.
It’s ALL for sales ! In order to keep the NBA relevant.. after MAGIC/ BIRD. and MJ ….. the NBA will always nominate someone to be the Face Zion Oder to sell tickets so the boost up that player they think will carry on the Brand…. That’s why this Lebron GOAT topic ain’t even real, nor does it make any real since. He ain’t nowhere near MJs level….
@@AaronFleming-q4vFacts. Adam Silver came into the league with the sole purpose of converting MJ into a marketing icon. He takes himself too seriously with that, imagining it's his media manipulation that's most important.
Not to mention that Lebron really only played "peak" level defense for maybe and that is a big MAYBE, 3-5 seasons. For the past 6-9 years he has played defense maybe 10 minutes a game if that. You can watch videos of him just standing, not getting back on defense at all and these videos that you can find here on YT some are over an hour of him just standing watching guys drive past him for layups, not getting back on defense etc. just a horror show of bad defense. No way should he be mentioned with MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt and you could quite possibly add a few more...just my opinion.
@@clarkware4178 actually AD and the rest of the team brought LeBron and the Lakers a championship, while he was stat padding, and he had 84 turnovers in that 21 game span in the playoffs
@@westside5953 here comes the nerds with the stats ...if you had one shot your life depend on it you giving to lebron or kobe..lmao ....what does the eye test tell you
Notice they cherry pick the good longevity records for LeBalco - he has ALL of the bad ones too - they just cherry pick. It’s killed the standards of the NBA and the league is dying cause of LeBalco.
Lebron is (my) 4th reason the NBA is slacking. 1) Weak (tech) foul calls / less physical play 2) That opens up to the excessive 3pters 3) Rest days for $60M players 4) And then...Lebron jumping shipping and creating the player empowerment movement
I tell Lebum fanboys how they don't count his bad stats all the time they say I'm a hater for not ignoring his weaknesses while they make a fake GOAT argument for L46ron. 🤣🤣🤣
No shit and get this dude 40,000 point in 22yrs with ONE NBA scoring title just ONE! Michael Jordan has 10 NBA scoring titles in 11 full seasons with the Chicago Bulls! In the 1985-86 season MJ broke his foot and only played in 18 games and in the 1994-95 season he came back from retirement and only played in 17 games so its really 13 seasons but 11 full seasons!!
Damn so you saying all 40000 if this man pts are garbage time. He didn't dunk, 3pt or iso on no one. Dont get me wrong im 60yo, jordan the goat. But if you stand on that you just in yo feelings and hatin.
@@joeysweet9045Because LeBron ALWAYS keeps track of his stats, and makes sure he's north of 25 ppg. Just look at his ppg by year. It's never south of 25, but almost never goes above 30. If he starts to sag below 25, you'll see him dump 40 on some bad team in garbage time, up 30 in the 4th with LeBron still padding his stats. He doesn't have it in him to be a top scorer, but he does know how to manipulate the stat sheet and maintain above 25 ppg. Old players like Karl Malone or Charles Barkley would come out of games during a blowout. LeBron stays in.
After 20 years Lebron has not worked on improving his game or you never hear him helping or educating younger players. I have not heard any player state they want to play or pattern their game after Lebron.
Wow. Good point. I always hear young players point to MJ, Bird, Steph or even KD as guys they modeled their games after. I don't think I've ever heard a young guy point to LeBron. Never thought about that before.
When people copy Lebron's game what do they do ? Brick jumpers when the game's on the line? Run into a guy at full speed them complain to the refs like a whiny 5 year old?
"educating younger players" - bingo. That's what the leadership is about. Educating doesn't mean hitting the books, but having the ability to be taught by the best and passing it down to the next generation.
They can't pattern their game after him...young guys still say he's the best to ever do it. How do you TEACH his size, athleticism, ability to defend anybody in different moments, hit a 3, post-turnaround mid range, drive to the basket like a freight train, incredible court vision & passing all at once? He ain't just focus on gettin points
Wrong Wilts the absolute greatest nba player. His overall efficiency as a player would destroy mj if we had all wilts steals and blocks. As a matter of a fact redo the overall efficiency score without mjs blocks and steals like wilt was done. That said Meadowlark Lemon or Goose Tatum is the best ever and the one true goat of all basketball not just the nba. @@Mandownsports
THANK YOU!!!!!! When they bring up that game against Detroit where you went off for f****** years I've been saying that's just another f****** Kobe game!!.......yet they'll hype his abnormal game for years
Penny is my 2nd favorite player after Mike....& he was definitely being political with that bs az answer. & I really wish we could have a world where we didnt have to hear Draymond speak....mf sounds like he has 6 lbs of spit in his mouth & refuses to spit it out.
Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣! Yea he is one of the most over rated NBA player's ever behind his KING LeRoid James! I can't believe the GSW resigned his sorry AZZ and let Klay Thompson go, the GSW deserve all the losing they are experiencing now because of that one stupid decision!!
IMO, LBJ should never be in the GOAT debate, but the final nail in his coffin was when he said at the post game interview that “it’s just basketball” after he got knocked out from the playoffs, real GOAT would never said that in any sports… it is not just basketball if you are the GOAT, hell even to us die hard fans it’s more than basketball…. And he wonders why he has so many haters 🙄
@cooleyhigh3405 he was no softy; he played hurt many times, I give him that, but let's not ignore that he had the best OL in history parting defensive lines like Moses parting the Red Sea.
@orlandowilliamson691 It's so blatant, isn't it.. Like nobody was ever going to work it out. Now we need someone dedicated enough to go through the last few years of his.
Anytime any older or even modern player says Jordan>Lebron they always just say their hating or their jealous or biased. Same when with people who say Kobe>Bron
The argument is this: Jordan is more accomplished in 12 years, than LeBron in 21, with less help and comparable competition, and the King played in an easier league, where they don't hand check. The pace has picked up and numbers are inflated. LeBron takes several games off each year because of load management. Jordan played all 82 games most of his career. Let Jordan play even 17 years, and even LeBron fans would admit that there is no debate.
THAT IS NOT THE ARGUMENT!!! The Theory is that the Ohio Bum is not greater than #Wilt, #Bill, #JerryWest, #Kareem, #DoctorJ, #Magic, #Bird, #Kobe, #Shaq, #TimDuncan, #Steph. And, of course, #Michael.
I'm not even a big Kobe guy, but this idea that Kobe struggled early is fabricated. The guy was an All-Star in year 2. We knew he was great from day 1. His coach was just old school and didn't want to play an 18 year old.
KOBE has even stated all he cared about was winning. I remember back in 2009 when KOBE vs LeBron meeting in the finals was getting hyped up. I remember LeBron weari.g a shirt that said " CHECK MY STATS". Will never forget that.
Lebron has done irreparable damage to these new fans' perspective on the game. They really think that even if you lose as long as you have the stats you can't be blamed. Literally 0 context at all put into the game and how it ended. These games normally ended with MJ scoring the game-winner or making a string of incredible plays down the stretch to seal the deal. In contrast, on Lebron's side, it ends in him bricking shots in the final minutes (most of the time) and getting bailed out by a superstar teammate or just losing the game outright. I don't want to hear about Kerr/Paxon making wide open shots, they aren't comparable to Ray's game-tying buzzer-beater (elimination game) or Kyrie's 3 over Curry to put them in the lead and make Lebron comfortable enough to go to the line and brick 1/2 dagger freethrows. No problem with Lebron being these kids' favorite player, MJ isn't even mine, but stop the disrespect by trying to put him on MJ's level. The man took the NBA to the next level and inspired all our favorite players. Lebron has done nothing but ruin the NBA with his antics since Kobe passed the baton to him.
His game is sloppy AF. That's why you see no players mimic his game like they do Jordan's. Jordan has a perfect jump shot and his fade away is unstoppable. Lebron has no go to movies at all. None!!
Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣! LeRoid James has a go to signature move bro its when he puts his shoulder down bulldozers his way to the basket fouls everyone on the way while walking and taking 5 or 6 steps on the way!! That's the LeRoid James signature move
@@joeysweet9045 That's what I mean. Look at his game! His game is the EXACT game he had in high school. He has not improved at all. Not one new move since he got into the NBA.
Penny Hardaway did not mean anything like this title. SMH twisting what a man means to push your feelings is weak. He literally said Kobe Jordan LeBron 1A,1A,1A..
When Wilt Chamberlain played there wasn't but 8 NBA team's and only 6 in the playoffs and from 1966-73 the NBA expanded to 17 teams so if you want to compare Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell to Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neil, LeRoid James, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and others go ahead!! Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@joeysweet9045 Your comment makes no sense. No one is talking about comparing Wilt to anybody. The conversation is about the foolish standard that Penny Hardaway is using to elevate Lebron James to Jordan and Kobe's level. Penny kept on bringing up stats - with no context to them. So if we are just going to bring up stats, then that requires Wilt Chamberlain to be a part of the conversation, as well. He is the definition of stat man (alongside Mr. Check My Stats).
Guys, let's not forget the countless must see tv moments that LeBron gave us over the years. We don't have to hate the guy just because he fell short of being greater than MJ. And when Penny says 1A for all 3, I took it to mean in their prime against their peers. Yall know that there was a time that for years LeBron was the best in the league.
ESPN=matrix Cheap Sonnen comments never happened BULLSHIT.....Barry Bonds got put on blast 24 f****** seven LeBron not one f****** second that shows you f****** guilty
lebron didn't even want to enter the slam dunk contest cause he's too worried about not winning, the irony of that is funny cause he's use to losing in the finals.
Point blank JORDAN DOMINATED when he finally got to the TOP so all that about what happened in his first years OK it doesn’t matter if you didn’t win the CHAMPIONSHIP but once he got there IT WAS OVER…not just 6 RINGS but 6 Rings in a 8 year span with TWO 3 PEATS and NEVER a Game 7 in the FINALS..EYE TEST ALONE there’s NOBODY BETTER THAN JORDAN and I don’t wanna hear that ERA BS because LeBron’s not even the goat of HIS ERA we can make a argument for STEPH TOO..ALL people can say is LONGEVITY well it’s taking u 22 YEARS and COUNTING for just 4 RINGS and KOBE my boy he has 5 but it also took him 20 years..JORDAN played 15 years and not FULL Years and RETIRED TWICE 😫
The truth! But even before MJ got to the top (without the need of a chopper), he was already dominating. In only his second season he beasted then feasted on Celtics FIVE hall-of-famers in 86 playoffs. Bird said "Mike was God in Nikes." Even before MJ got to the NBA he dominated a bunch of NBA All-Stars in prepping team USA for Olympics. And after the very FIRST time Bird faced MJ in the NBA he told Dan Shaughnessy from Boston Globe "That guy is going to be the greatest ever - you just watch." Not only did Larry become a legend, he also became a prophet.
@@jamieking007 Nah, I'm a ruffneck like MC Lyte's type. I use wifey's account. I'm too lazy to create my own. But you're right - these clowns are phony as King Con's crown. #EPOHoe
Micheal Jordan actually only played 13 full season's! 11 full season's with the Chicago Bulls and 2 with the Washington Wizards because in the 1985-86 season MJ broke his foot and only played in 18 games and in the 1994-95 season MJ came from retirement and only played in 17 games so he really only played in 13 full season's I know the 18 and 17 game season's count but he really did everything in 11yrs on the Chicago Bulls!! 6 - championship's 6 - finals mvp's 5 - NBA mvp's 10- all NBA 1st team 10- NBA scoring titles 9 - NBA 1st team all defense 1 - DPOTY 14- time all star 3 - time all star mvp 1 - ROTY 3 - time NBA steals leader 2 - slam dunk champion 2 - #1 on NBA anniversary team 50-75 AND MUCH MUCH MORE BECAUSE MICHEAL JORDAN IS THE MOST DECORATED AND ACCOMPLISHED NBA PLAYER EVER!!
Magic 96 played around 33 games. He played Magic twice. Both were good games. Magic balled in both. Magic and the Lakers also snapped Orlando's 40 game winning streak at home.
Larry Bird said it best: "There's A lot of players in this league that can score the first three-quarters of the game, but you get down to the fourth quarter when you need a basket, you can separate the men from the boys. It's been like that, and it's always going to be like that."
How many titles would LeBron have if he was coached by Phil Jackson or Riley. It's ironic that both Jordan and Kobe had Phil Jackson as their coach a fact everyone seems to overlook. Both Jordan and Kobe were ball hogs who were literally forced to play team ball whereas LeBron was always a team player.
The whole longevity argument is, IMO, almost like a participation certificate. As if to now focus on it bc people want to appease LB. People argue “he’s doing it at the highest level”. For what, a bubble chip? In the cupcake era? Playing no defense? Bc he isn’t making anything else happen.
I'm convinced Draybron is in love with Lebum he was willing to quit on his team to see Lebum get the scoring record 🤢🤢🤢🤣🤣🤣. Why does beautiful Savannah have to deal with Draybron trying to flirt with her husband? 🤦😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I'm a black man and I'll say this the player who is picked for the face of the NBA will not have braids dreads or anything like that they must be straight laced.
LeBrona is the MOST overrated nba player. LeBrona, at his best, is 7th best. MJ, Kareem, Bird, Kobe (3rd & 4th can be swapped), Magic, TD, Shaq, then LeBrona. LeBrona is NOT better than the 7 players head of him!
My All Time NBA Team is PG - Majic Johnson SG - Michael Jordan SF - Larry Bird PF - Tim Duncan C - Hakeem Olajuwon Bench - Kobe Bryant Bench - Charles Barkley Bench - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar My Mount Rushmore is Michael Jordan Majic Johnson Kobe Bryant Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Great analogies and commentary related to the discussions centered around GOAT debates, rhetoric, or foolery. Let me be the first to say there is nothing wrong with the Lebron James argument, however, its shortcomings hinge on not having any substance. When discussing MJ or Kobe their career criteria have a greater substantive package and impact, the dedication, commitment, passion, mental toughness, along with the ability to embrace adversity with poise. These are pillars for obtaining excellence, and high-level winning while creating such a standard for their very peers.
This was a trash take. MJ & LeBron are in 1 & 1a the Goat conversation. Kobe got thrown in there once he passed away. People wake up hating on Bron because he has a great argument to be in that conversation not Kobe. How you a goat with 1 MVP and you weren’t even the Finals MVP 3x when you played with Shaq? 😂 #SopTheHate
Aha, someone finally called out Legrump for what he really is, a stat padder. A stat padder that thinks because you play for stats that you're some kind of goat and that you should be celebrated for it. Thank you Penny for keeping it 💯 real.
U could not of say that any better ....bro I think he might get boooooed when he does his farewell tour ....he overstayed his welcome now were annoyed of him
Come on now. I have LeBron rank outside the top ten but he was a force day 1. Good as rookie Jordan or Wembanyama, not but a great rookie none the less
You notice that Lebron didn't have any energy to play in the beginning of the season, then he "disappears" for a few weeks and then comes back with all this energy and is playing like a madman? I think he got his PEDs remixed to give him more energy, and that is why he all of a sudden, he has limitless energy to play. LOL!!
@@willwon8962 feel free to add names and evaluate the ranking. Me personally, Tim Duncan is the best power forward with 5 earned CHIPS with the same team.
@@juanellchapman4545 They weren't the NBA logo Jerry West, Pat Riley, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olayawon, Penny Hardaway Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Tim Hardaway, Ray Allen or Shaq were they? Because all of them an more said Jordan is the G.O.A.T. So who claimed Lebron was other than him?
@@juanellchapman4545 Oscar Robertson is a legend who I respect but he's not infallible. Check out the video 16 straight minutes of Michael Jordan Facts That Will Convince You He's the GOAT. Then come back to discuss unless you see the overwhelming points made and decide I'm right and no need to return for further discussion.
People forget that there were 2 MJ’s. I love Kobe but he mimicked 2nd half of his career MJ. A young Kobe vs a young MJ was no contest… it was MJ all day. Young MJ’s athleticism was off the charts.
So when you play 22 season and counting how can you not accumulate stats? Had MJ played 22 years He would have been a stats guy too? MJ needed 2 retirements just to play 15 seasons while LeBron played 22 seasons straight. I am a huge MJ fan but that's not fair to say about someone who has 4 rings.If LeBron really is a stat guy then he wouldn't have joined Miami and stayed in Cleveland all 22 season and counting because he doesn't need to share the basketball with other great players.
What kills me is, LeFlops so called "numbers," other than the 40k, are not impressive. Inflated for sure, but not impressive. And, when you ask about his stats/numbers, in real time his backers will stall after 40k and 1 assists title. They then have to go to Google to continue. Whereas MJ has stats and accomplishments for days. Especially in the Finals and playoffs. Unmatched!!!
First of all, Hardaway is trying to keep everyone happy which is impossible there is no 3 one As there is an A Jordan a 1 A Bryant next a B+ is James the players that have played against all 3 usually pick it in that order
What is the worth of stats if it’s done in the process of losing? So many times we’ve watched LeBron stat padding while clearly not believing he can win. Yet Kobe gets downgraded for gloriously trying to win even if it damaged his stats. A true winner. Can’t stand hearing LeBron’s name in the same sentence as MJ
What does that have to do with this conversation? Lebron never won without a super team correct? Scottie Pippen was drafted by Chicago and developed isnt that the right way to do things? That hat might be a little to tight on your dome respectfully.
@@doitall36 MJ (even playing three years with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant), could not figure out how to win an NBA championship until Scott Williams was drafted in 1990. Presto, three straight titles for the Bulls.
There was no such thing as a Playoff Jordan or a Playoff Kobe. Them two dudes left it all on the court. LeBron is great, just not in the GOAT conversation
As a Laker, lebron has never made a game winning buzzer beater, from my memory. Kobe has a 42-minute video of game winners and clutch shots on RUclips, KOBE EVERYTIME!!!
Micheal Jordan or Kobe Bryant LeRoid James' cluth stats are ridiculous 17.8% for 19-107 so if you want LeRoid James to take a last second shot go for it I'd rather take it myself! Kobe Bryant has the most game winning shots in NBA history with 38 and the most in a season with 7 and the most 4th quarter points in NBA history with 715 points and the most OT points in NBA history with 415 points and the most 20 point 4th quarters in NBA HISTORY with 11 and the highest 4th quarter average in NBA history with a 7.4ppg average!
@Remy0904 yes he was cluth in the regular season or playoffs Michael Jordan has a better cluth time shooting percentage than Kobe but I can't find individual stuff on him like I can Kobe or LeRoid I guess Klutch Sports had Google take it down!
@joeysweet9045 klutch lives up to its name by clutching the media narrative of lebron being the most clutch player ever when there is only minimal actual footage of any of it.
MJ even said when you focus on the stats you don't become a winner. No debate.
Individual stats certainly but how do you become a winner if you do not score more points than the other team?
@inthegutterstaringathestars Jordan did what it took to win, and the stats and accolades just naturally compiled.
LeBron has been backwards. He hunts the stats and accolades while adding as much star talent around him as possible to make championships easy.
Despite this, Jordan has better stats and accolades. 😂
@inthegutterstaringathestars are you okay? We aren't talking about TEAMS in a Goat convo. LBJ holds the record for most points and is a consistent loser.
@@eigna8914 If you are talking about teams then why are you comparing Jordan and Lebron instead of Bulls vs Cavs/Lakers?
@inthegutterstaringathestars Are you drunk. This video is about the GOAT topic. Teams aren't GOATs and I didn't mention Teams. Go be dumb somewhere else. We don't have time to look up all the teams LBJ jumped to. We know he LOST...
Out of all these years, I have never heard a young person say they wanted to play like Lebron. But, the whole world wanted to be like Mike. Even LeBum wants to be like Mike.
@saucedog9426 coming from a 17yr old that's a lie
Come on man people were taking pay cuts to get play with Bron
@@GLOCK__Mane while watching kids playing ball on the court, I haven't seen or heard any kids saying or emulating LeBum. I've heard them mention Kobe, Steph, Kyrie, and even KD. But, never LeBum.
My nephew laughs when I imitate LeBron.
😂😂😂 you are a Savage even though I like all of them MJ, Kobe, Lebron. 😂😂
Lebron is the most overrated, fabricated athlete of all time
@@michaelpuglisi5266 Ask David Stern Marketing Department who's the most overrated!
Bro, I’ve read a lot of comments about LeBron James but I must say this is the most profound comment I’ve seen and it’s 100% correct
@@michaelpuglisi5266 Ask David Stern Marketing Department who's the most overrated!
You know how mi h hate inwoild get for saying this? I have been saying this since he left the cavs the first time
We can say the same thing for MJ lol
The S* I don’t get Kareem was there for years from winning championships and scoring but no one ever mentioning him as the Goat but as soon Lebron surpass him he is now the goat..Make it make sense
That's a good point
Agreed. I dont count the Mickey Mouse championship during covid when alot of players opted out that year. He hasn't done anything to be put over Kareem.
I've MJ as the goat personally, but cant disagree that Kareem has a strong case and at worst is 3rd. I'm a big Bird fan as well
It’s ALL for sales ! In order to keep the NBA relevant.. after MAGIC/ BIRD. and MJ ….. the NBA will always nominate someone to be the Face Zion Oder to sell tickets so the boost up that player they think will carry on the Brand…. That’s why this Lebron GOAT topic ain’t even real, nor does it make any real since. He ain’t nowhere near MJs level….
@@AaronFleming-q4vFacts. Adam Silver came into the league with the sole purpose of converting MJ into a marketing icon. He takes himself too seriously with that, imagining it's his media manipulation that's most important.
As a Laker, LeBron has played the 22nd most games in franchise, but he's committed the 8th most turnovers in franchise history sheesh 😂😂😂
Not to mention that Lebron really only played "peak" level defense for maybe and that is a big MAYBE, 3-5 seasons. For the past 6-9 years he has played defense maybe 10 minutes a game if that.
You can watch videos of him just standing, not getting back on defense at all and these videos that you can find here on YT some are over an hour of him just standing watching guys drive past him for layups, not getting back on defense etc. just a horror show of bad defense.
No way should he be mentioned with MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt and you could quite possibly add a few more...just my opinion.
@Methadone4Life no lies detected
@vernonharrison2488 HE also bought a championship! No matter how you scream, FAKE! NOT CHANGING A DAMN THING!
@@clarkware4178 actually AD and the rest of the team brought LeBron and the Lakers a championship, while he was stat padding, and he had 84 turnovers in that 21 game span in the playoffs
@@clarkware4178 AD should've got the fmvp
Jordan and Kobe = Focus on SUPREME ABILITY to win✔
Lebron = Focus on PERCEPTION of supreme ability❌
well said my friend
@@deJuanX KB sure did so much he quit on his teammates being up 3-1 in a series and when the Lakers played the Pistons they gave KB hell not Shaq
@@juanellchapman4545don’t forget to add Kobe’s jewelry count….no bubble rings included
@ The jewelry collection of one more ring oh ok but yall get amnesia about the Phoenix series
@ no we just value the fact he got it done 5 times and was never scared of the moment no matter what the results were
LEBRON does not belong in the same breath as KOBE AND MJ ........ ....YOU GOTTA BE A CLOSER ...LEBRON JAMES IN THE CLUTCH CANNOT TAKE YOU HOME
But he got more clutch points then Mike n Kobe make it make sense
@@westside5953 not true. Prove it!
@ it’s called google look it up yall just be talking he yall think they better say that but dnt start making up lies without doing your research
@@westside5953 here comes the nerds with the stats ...if you had one shot your life depend on it you giving to lebron or kobe..lmao ....what does the eye test tell you
@@differentsame9402 bro they be making stats for this man brodie lmao its lmao
It looks like everybody is calling out Lefraud for what he is, these days!!!
All the BS coming out now that he's ready to retire!!!
@@jaybird8192 bout time
Lebron main problem is he doesn't have heart or will to win like Bird, Magic, Jordan.
@mofun5315 so when you watched him destroy, put away teams & finish em off damn near alone...what is that?
@@luckycarter536 We hadn't never seen him do that, and that's the problem
A person who doesn’t believe in them self TO GET IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY can’t ever be the GOAT
The greatest flopper can never be considered the GOAT .... just out of respect of the f****** game
The right way huh? What's the right way?
Notice they cherry pick the good longevity records for LeBalco - he has ALL of the bad ones too - they just cherry pick.
It’s killed the standards of the NBA and the league is dying cause of LeBalco.
Lebron is (my) 4th reason the NBA is slacking.
1) Weak (tech) foul calls / less physical play
2) That opens up to the excessive 3pters
3) Rest days for $60M players
4) And then...Lebron jumping shipping and creating the player empowerment movement
I tell Lebum fanboys how they don't count his bad stats all the time they say I'm a hater for not ignoring his weaknesses while they make a fake GOAT argument for L46ron. 🤣🤣🤣
He has the most rushing yards in NBA history as well 🖐🏿
@@withlurvthat’s hilarious, AND true😂!!!
@@withlurvthat’s hilarious, AND true😂!!!
40,000 garbage time points that no one respects 😂😂
@@DruStevens Damn! That is the truth 💯
No shit and get this dude 40,000 point in 22yrs with ONE NBA scoring title just ONE! Michael Jordan has 10 NBA scoring titles in 11 full seasons with the Chicago Bulls! In the 1985-86 season MJ broke his foot and only played in 18 games and in the 1994-95 season he came back from retirement and only played in 17 games so its really 13 seasons but 11 full seasons!!
Damn so you saying all 40000 if this man pts are garbage time. He didn't dunk, 3pt or iso on no one. Dont get me wrong im 60yo, jordan the goat. But if you stand on that you just in yo feelings and hatin.
@@nightshift7963he has 40,000 pts with ONE scoring title. One. That’s his point.
@@joeysweet9045Because LeBron ALWAYS keeps track of his stats, and makes sure he's north of 25 ppg.
Just look at his ppg by year. It's never south of 25, but almost never goes above 30.
If he starts to sag below 25, you'll see him dump 40 on some bad team in garbage time, up 30 in the 4th with LeBron still padding his stats.
He doesn't have it in him to be a top scorer, but he does know how to manipulate the stat sheet and maintain above 25 ppg.
Old players like Karl Malone or Charles Barkley would come out of games during a blowout. LeBron stays in.
After 20 years Lebron has not worked on improving his game or you never hear him helping or educating younger players. I have not heard any player state they want to play or pattern their game after Lebron.
Wow. Good point. I always hear young players point to MJ, Bird, Steph or even KD as guys they modeled their games after.
I don't think I've ever heard a young guy point to LeBron. Never thought about that before.
When people copy Lebron's game what do they do ? Brick jumpers when the game's on the line? Run into a guy at full speed them complain to the refs like a whiny 5 year old?
"educating younger players" - bingo.
That's what the leadership is about. Educating doesn't mean hitting the books, but having the ability to be taught by the best and passing it down to the next generation.
They can't pattern their game after him...young guys still say he's the best to ever do it. How do you TEACH his size, athleticism, ability to defend anybody in different moments, hit a 3, post-turnaround mid range, drive to the basket like a freight train, incredible court vision & passing all at once? He ain't just focus on gettin points
@@smithersandburnsyeah like all those playoff, game winning 'bricks' to have the most ever.
Everyone knows that Leturnover is a stat padder and MJ is the Goat 🐐
Penny is 100 percent correct.
Penny is another Jordan opponents from the 90's era with no accomplishments lebron is not a loser Penny Hardaway is
It’s like they have to throw Lebron in there just to not get blackballed.
That's exactly what it is
Right?
Wrong Wilts the absolute greatest nba player. His overall efficiency as a player would destroy mj if we had all wilts steals and blocks. As a matter of a fact redo the overall efficiency score without mjs blocks and steals like wilt was done. That said Meadowlark Lemon or Goose Tatum is the best ever and the one true goat of all basketball not just the nba. @@Mandownsports
Kobe is older MJ. No one compares to young MJ
No one compares to older MJ either except Kobe
LEBRON WENT GOD MODE TWICE.....DETROIT AND CELTICS GAME 6 ......MJ AND KOBE OPERATE ON GOD MODE THEIR ENTIRE CAREER IN THE 4TH
THANK YOU!!!!!!
When they bring up that game against Detroit where you went off for f****** years I've been saying that's just another f****** Kobe game!!.......yet they'll hype his abnormal game for years
@@mrkareem75x68 JUST ANOTHER KOBE GAME ...ON GOD
@@mrkareem75x68 WELL SAID SIR
Wow outstanding comment
You don’t watch must basketball then 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
MJ and Kobe had that killer mentality, James has his flopping and crying to the refs. 😂
Penny is my 2nd favorite player after Mike....& he was definitely being political with that bs az answer. & I really wish we could have a world where we didnt have to hear Draymond speak....mf sounds like he has 6 lbs of spit in his mouth & refuses to spit it out.
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That's a lot of spit!😅
Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣! Yea he is one of the most over rated NBA player's ever behind his KING LeRoid James! I can't believe the GSW resigned his sorry AZZ and let Klay Thompson go, the GSW deserve all the losing they are experiencing now because of that one stupid decision!!
😂😂😂😂 got me crying 😂
IMO, LBJ should never be in the GOAT debate, but the final nail in his coffin was when he said at the post game interview that “it’s just basketball” after he got knocked out from the playoffs, real GOAT would never said that in any sports… it is not just basketball if you are the GOAT, hell even to us die hard fans it’s more than basketball…. And he wonders why he has so many haters 🙄
Emmitt Smith has the ultimate rushing stats, but no one will GOAT him over Jim Brown, Walter Payton, or Barry Sanders.
Exactly. And also, Emmit Smith has a better jump shot than Lebron.
@@smithersandburns😂😂
Emmitt gave it his all on the field, all of his stats were earned, every yard, every TD
@cooleyhigh3405 he was no softy; he played hurt many times, I give him that, but let's not ignore that he had the best OL in history parting defensive lines like Moses parting the Red Sea.
LeBron wouldn't have gotten those stats, if the league didn't change the rules to allow players to score easier .
He also has his own statisticians, giving him unwarranted assists. Over and over again.
@@farlapjonesI couldn't believe it until I seen the videos on his assists..
@orlandowilliamson691 It's so blatant, isn't it.. Like nobody was ever going to work it out. Now we need someone dedicated enough to go through the last few years of his.
In before the LeGlazers come in with the usual argument: "Penny is a hater"..........that's their biggest defense.
@@dariusthegreat3097 🤣🤣🤣
Anytime any older or even modern player says Jordan>Lebron they always just say their hating or their jealous or biased. Same when with people who say Kobe>Bron
Lebron fanboys care more about defending him than him defending on the court. 🤦😂😂😂
@psychedelicvault6951 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The argument is this: Jordan is more accomplished in 12 years, than LeBron in 21, with less help and comparable competition, and the King played in an easier league, where they don't hand check. The pace has picked up and numbers are inflated. LeBron takes several games off each year because of load management. Jordan played all 82 games most of his career. Let Jordan play even 17 years, and even LeBron fans would admit that there is no debate.
Stats vs Actual Achievements.
Top 7 vs Top 1.
Recruiter Vs. Hardworker
No debate
THAT IS NOT THE ARGUMENT!!! The Theory is that the Ohio Bum is not greater than #Wilt, #Bill, #JerryWest, #Kareem, #DoctorJ, #Magic, #Bird, #Kobe, #Shaq, #TimDuncan, #Steph. And, of course, #Michael.
Lol
Hakeem....Too
I'm not even a big Kobe guy, but this idea that Kobe struggled early is fabricated. The guy was an All-Star in year 2. We knew he was great from day 1. His coach was just old school and didn't want to play an 18 year old.
Adults arguing over other adults who don’t even know you exist, wow!
KOBE has even stated all he cared about was winning. I remember back in 2009 when KOBE vs LeBron meeting in the finals was getting hyped up. I remember LeBron weari.g a shirt that said
" CHECK MY STATS". Will never forget that.
Thanks Penny. He was that dude for real. He broke everything down where any LeCavemen fans could understand it. ✔ Laker4life8/24
Lebron has done irreparable damage to these new fans' perspective on the game. They really think that even if you lose as long as you have the stats you can't be blamed. Literally 0 context at all put into the game and how it ended. These games normally ended with MJ scoring the game-winner or making a string of incredible plays down the stretch to seal the deal. In contrast, on Lebron's side, it ends in him bricking shots in the final minutes (most of the time) and getting bailed out by a superstar teammate or just losing the game outright. I don't want to hear about Kerr/Paxon making wide open shots, they aren't comparable to Ray's game-tying buzzer-beater (elimination game) or Kyrie's 3 over Curry to put them in the lead and make Lebron comfortable enough to go to the line and brick 1/2 dagger freethrows. No problem with Lebron being these kids' favorite player, MJ isn't even mine, but stop the disrespect by trying to put him on MJ's level. The man took the NBA to the next level and inspired all our favorite players. Lebron has done nothing but ruin the NBA with his antics since Kobe passed the baton to him.
This was the perfect explanation of what we are seeing happen
LeBron is not a 5o-A his game sucks
His game is sloppy AF. That's why you see no players mimic his game like they do Jordan's. Jordan has a perfect jump shot and his fade away is unstoppable. Lebron has no go to movies at all. None!!
Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣! LeRoid James has a go to signature move bro its when he puts his shoulder down bulldozers his way to the basket fouls everyone on the way while walking and taking 5 or 6 steps on the way!! That's the LeRoid James signature move
@@joeysweet9045 That's what I mean. Look at his game! His game is the EXACT game he had in high school. He has not improved at all. Not one new move since he got into the NBA.
Penny Hardaway did not mean anything like this title. SMH twisting what a man means to push your feelings is weak. He literally said Kobe Jordan LeBron 1A,1A,1A..
If you wanna believe he meant to state an impossibility then cool. I'll use my common sense instead
Nah, he just diminished Jordan by doing that 1a mess. And if you are going to talk about numbers, you MUST talk about Wilt Chamberlain.
Fair enough
Agreed
LeBron is the modern-day wilt tons of stats with little championships
When Wilt Chamberlain played there wasn't but 8 NBA team's and only 6 in the playoffs and from 1966-73 the NBA expanded to 17 teams so if you want to compare Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell to Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neil, LeRoid James, Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and others go ahead!! Lmfao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@joeysweet9045 Your comment makes no sense. No one is talking about comparing Wilt to anybody. The conversation is about the foolish standard that Penny Hardaway is using to elevate Lebron James to Jordan and Kobe's level. Penny kept on bringing up stats - with no context to them. So if we are just going to bring up stats, then that requires Wilt Chamberlain to be a part of the conversation, as well. He is the definition of stat man (alongside Mr. Check My Stats).
Guys, let's not forget the countless must see tv moments that LeBron gave us over the years. We don't have to hate the guy just because he fell short of being greater than MJ. And when Penny says 1A for all 3, I took it to mean in their prime against their peers. Yall know that there was a time that for years LeBron was the best in the league.
He didn't care enough about his wife and kids when he went to the Diddy parties.
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AS LEBRON, HOW CAN YOU WIN 4 CHAMPIONSHIPS, REACH, WIN 10 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS WITHOUT BEING A WINNER???
He said many times he didn't care so much about winning
@@joel_13_well he won 4 and lost 6 so maybe you are right
Thank u
He needs to step to the Podium and answer Chael Sonnen!!!
Lol
As my grandaddy would say... lebron would rather run through hell wit gasoline draaaaws
ESPN=matrix
Cheap Sonnen comments never happened
BULLSHIT.....Barry Bonds got put on blast 24 f****** seven LeBron not one f****** second that shows you f****** guilty
YOU FORCED MOT TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ANOUT BRON AND THAT ALONE LETS ME KNOW HE NOT TOP 5
So you see it too? It's sad and pathetic.
lebron didn't even want to enter the slam dunk contest cause he's too worried about not winning, the irony of that is funny cause he's use to losing in the finals.
Another b*tch move by Lebron. I guess he couldn't stack a team to help him in the dunk contest.....lol.
If the greats from the 80’s and 90’s and even early 2000’s played now, their stats would all be higher in this weak 2020 era
Penny was a really amazing basketball player. It means a lot for him to say this.
Point blank JORDAN DOMINATED when he finally got to the TOP so all that about what happened in his first years OK it doesn’t matter if you didn’t win the CHAMPIONSHIP but once he got there IT WAS OVER…not just 6 RINGS but 6 Rings in a 8 year span with TWO 3 PEATS and NEVER a Game 7 in the FINALS..EYE TEST ALONE there’s NOBODY BETTER THAN JORDAN and I don’t wanna hear that ERA BS because LeBron’s not even the goat of HIS ERA we can make a argument for STEPH TOO..ALL people can say is LONGEVITY well it’s taking u 22 YEARS and COUNTING for just 4 RINGS and KOBE my boy he has 5 but it also took him 20 years..JORDAN played 15 years and not FULL Years and RETIRED TWICE 😫
The truth! But even before MJ got to the top (without the need of a chopper), he was already dominating. In only his second season he beasted then feasted on Celtics FIVE hall-of-famers in 86 playoffs. Bird said "Mike was God in Nikes." Even before MJ got to the NBA he dominated a bunch of NBA All-Stars in prepping team USA for Olympics. And after the very FIRST time Bird faced MJ in the NBA he told Dan Shaughnessy from Boston Globe "That guy is going to be the greatest ever - you just watch." Not only did Larry become a legend, he also became a prophet.
@ u a female and know your history these clowns just be talking 🫡
@@jamieking007 Nah, I'm a ruffneck like MC Lyte's type. I use wifey's account. I'm too lazy to create my own. But you're right - these clowns are phony as King Con's crown. #EPOHoe
Micheal Jordan actually only played 13 full season's! 11 full season's with the Chicago Bulls and 2 with the Washington Wizards because in the 1985-86 season MJ broke his foot and only played in 18 games and in the 1994-95 season MJ came from retirement and only played in 17 games so he really only played in 13 full season's I know the 18 and 17 game season's count but he really did everything in 11yrs on the Chicago Bulls!!
6 - championship's
6 - finals mvp's
5 - NBA mvp's
10- all NBA 1st team
10- NBA scoring titles
9 - NBA 1st team all defense
1 - DPOTY
14- time all star
3 - time all star mvp
1 - ROTY
3 - time NBA steals leader
2 - slam dunk champion
2 - #1 on NBA anniversary team 50-75
AND MUCH MUCH MORE BECAUSE MICHEAL JORDAN IS THE MOST DECORATED AND ACCOMPLISHED NBA PLAYER EVER!!
@ NO DOUBT 🫡
You should have saw Draymonds face during this interview.. he did not like hearing what Penny was saying about Mike
Draymond is signed to Klutch sports
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Lebron is a cheater and a stat player it took Lebron more years to catch up to MJ and Kobe
Magic 96 played around 33 games. He played Magic twice. Both were good games. Magic balled in both. Magic and the Lakers also snapped Orlando's 40 game winning streak at home.
Prime Penny has an argument for being the GOAT PG, I mean, in his peak games, he was as good as anyone in history.
PH ain't lying
Larry Bird said it best: "There's A lot of players in this league that can score the first three-quarters of the game, but you get down to the fourth quarter when you need a basket, you can separate the men from the boys. It's been like that, and it's always going to be like that."
How many titles would LeBron have if he was coached by Phil Jackson or Riley. It's ironic that both Jordan and Kobe had Phil Jackson as their coach a fact everyone seems to overlook. Both Jordan and Kobe were ball hogs who were literally forced to play team ball whereas LeBron was always a team player.
The whole longevity argument is, IMO, almost like a participation certificate. As if to now focus on it bc people want to appease LB. People argue “he’s doing it at the highest level”. For what, a bubble chip? In the cupcake era? Playing no defense? Bc he isn’t making anything else happen.
Draymond voice is annoying
The Saginaw Maw, the Bray Dray.
I'm convinced Draybron is in love with Lebum he was willing to quit on his team to see Lebum get the scoring record 🤢🤢🤢🤣🤣🤣. Why does beautiful Savannah have to deal with Draybron trying to flirt with her husband? 🤦😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
It's sad what happened to kobe, but let's stop putting him in the GOAT debate.
My GOATs are Jordan 1A, Kobe 1B, Len Bias 1C, Reggie Lewis 1D.
LAST OF THE DYING BREED ...ONLY 1 LEFT......JA MORANT ...THE LEAGUE NEED TO PUSH FOR HIM AND MARKET HIM ... REST OF THESE NINJAS SOFT
Ja Morant has talent but it's outside of the game that scares the NBA. No way he'll be the face.
I'm a black man and I'll say this the player who is picked for the face of the NBA will not have braids dreads or anything like that they must be straight laced.
Thank you I appreciate all you do.
Appreciate that bro 💯
@@Mandownsports As 2025 approaches, I'm looking forward to more of this Great analytical content. You are welcome👊
@-1Hawk it's up from here
Lefraud is a power forward masquerading as a point guard taking the position from a true point guard.
1:44 „Against who?…“ is the greatest moment! 😂
MJ was so good that one man won five championships by copying him.
My man reading that dude🤣🤣🤣😭😭🤣😭🤣
Why must black men be pitted against each other??? It's never Bird vs Luka, Nowinski vs Jokic.
LeBrona is the MOST overrated nba player. LeBrona, at his best, is 7th best. MJ, Kareem, Bird, Kobe (3rd & 4th can be swapped), Magic, TD, Shaq, then LeBrona. LeBrona is NOT better than the 7 players head of him!
1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Bird
Actually, I can rock with that. I would out put Bird at "2", but he has 3 rings Kobe has 5 rings.
MJ, Kareem Wilt
Mj Kareem magic Kobe Duncan wilt russell curry
My All Time NBA Team is
PG - Majic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Hakeem Olajuwon
Bench - Kobe Bryant
Bench - Charles Barkley
Bench - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
My Mount Rushmore is
Michael Jordan
Majic Johnson
Kobe Bryant
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
LJ at 25th
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Great analogies and commentary related to the discussions centered around GOAT debates, rhetoric, or foolery. Let me be the first to say there is nothing wrong with the Lebron James argument, however, its shortcomings hinge on not having any substance. When discussing MJ or Kobe their career criteria have a greater substantive package and impact, the dedication, commitment, passion, mental toughness, along with the ability to embrace adversity with poise. These are pillars for obtaining excellence, and high-level winning while creating such a standard for their very peers.
Merry Christmas to You and Fam.
Thanks bro, merry Christmas to you as well
Lebron james is not Michael Jordan level Kobe Bryant
.. LBJ has been good from day 1 . At 18.. he's a totally different player than MJ..
he's really different because he is not a killer. he is soft he killed the nba culture
This was a trash take. MJ & LeBron are in 1 & 1a the Goat conversation. Kobe got thrown in there once he passed away. People wake up hating on Bron because he has a great argument to be in that conversation not Kobe. How you a goat with 1 MVP and you weren’t even the Finals MVP 3x when you played with Shaq? 😂 #SopTheHate
Aha, someone finally called out Legrump for what he really is, a stat padder. A stat padder that thinks because you play for stats that you're some kind of goat and that you should be celebrated for it. Thank you Penny for keeping it 💯 real.
Everybody hates the KING 😅don't forget that 😂.
U could not of say that any better ....bro I think he might get boooooed when he does his farewell tour ....he overstayed his welcome now were annoyed of him
Not many players LeBron's age can do what he continues to achieve, and that commands respect.
Kobe started slow. Mj was a freight train from the beginning. Lebron was a towel boy his rookie year
Come on now. I have LeBron rank outside the top ten but he was a force day 1. Good as rookie Jordan or Wembanyama, not but a great rookie none the less
@Thorcat…
He was not close to rookie Mike either. He wasn’t even an all-star, and Melo was the clear ROY.
@rudyperez7680 he camee out of high-school dominating wtf are you talking about stop being bias wake up in reality😂😂😂
@GLOCK__Mane da fock up. Lebron was soft when he came in. His rookie year stats... look them up.
@@Thorcat001Jordan averaged 28.2 Ppg as a Rookie. James 20.9. There rebs and ass are comparable though
4 champion
4 mvp
4 final mvp
21 all star
13 first team
3 olampic gold medal
Wtf😂
Lebron got over 40k points and only 1 scoring title. Lebron doesn't even have a dynasty in his legacy.
He could have but his ego got in the way in Miami. Riley reminded him who was in charge.
You notice that Lebron didn't have any energy to play in the beginning of the season, then he "disappears" for a few weeks and then comes back with all this energy and is playing like a madman? I think he got his PEDs remixed to give him more energy, and that is why he all of a sudden, he has limitless energy to play. LOL!!
LeDiddy being a stat guy is also a VIP GOAT at Diddy parties with NO LOAD MANAGEMENT.
"Lebron wanted to be the goat, MJ & Kobe wanted to win".
I've never heard this take but it's spot on! Good observation.
If Lebron is a power forward, where does rank in power forwards ? Is he the greatest PF now
NOPE. Karl Malone, Duncan, Shawn Kemp, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber million times better than LBJ.
Kevin McHale too
behind Duncan and Bird, but above Barkley, but behind KD.
i haven't even mentioned others like Jeff Ruland. And how can i forgot Kevin Garnett!!?!?
@@willwon8962 feel free to add names and evaluate the ranking.
Me personally, Tim Duncan is the best power forward with 5 earned CHIPS with the same team.
It’s simple Jordan and Kobe have something LeBron doesn’t have or doesn’t do aswell and we can’t explain it without looking crazy lol
1 ON 1 MCGRADY WOULD SMASH LE CHOKE 😅😅
How many rings Mcgrady got🙄
I really believe he would also TMAC was a baller!
How Bron didn’t want to win when he went to 10finals 🤷🏾♂️
Because just like in Miami he quit on his team that's how!!
MJ PLAYED 13 SEASONS AN ACCOMPLISHMENTS ALL THOSE STATS LEBRON HAS PLAYED ALMOST 20 SEASONS AN STILL CHASING MJ BRO !!! COME ON STOP THIS!!!!!!!
Totally agreed. LBJ will be known as the greatest stat player of all time.
This is not a debate but a campaign by and for Lebron. The eye test alone makes it clear Lebron is no where near Jordan's level.
Now that’s funny I’ve heard plenty of players old and new say LB is the goat
@@juanellchapman4545 They weren't the NBA logo Jerry West, Pat Riley, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olayawon, Penny Hardaway Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Tim Hardaway, Ray Allen or Shaq were they? Because all of them an more said Jordan is the G.O.A.T. So who claimed Lebron was other than him?
@ i didn’t know they were the only one that played in the league I guess Big O don’t count
@@juanellchapman4545 Oscar Robertson is a legend who I respect but he's not infallible. Check out the video 16 straight minutes of Michael Jordan Facts That Will Convince You He's the GOAT. Then come back to discuss unless you see the overwhelming points made and decide I'm right and no need to return for further discussion.
@ don’t need to I’ve also watched enough videos of LB and players calling him the goat
People forget that there were 2 MJ’s. I love Kobe but he mimicked 2nd half of his career MJ. A young Kobe vs a young MJ was no contest… it was MJ all day. Young MJ’s athleticism was off the charts.
I think the difference is mj was chasing greatness and accumulated stats while lebron is chasing stats trying to accumulate greatness.
@@williebender1895 facts
Merry Christmas Man Down Sports keep speaking the unadulterated truth
Salute 🫡 and merry Christmas
That's being disrespectful for MJ and KB putting LB in the same conversation, maybe just to rub the back of clown Draymond Green
So when you play 22 season and counting how can you not accumulate stats? Had MJ played 22 years He would have been a stats guy too? MJ needed 2 retirements just to play 15 seasons while LeBron played 22 seasons straight. I am a huge MJ fan but that's not fair to say about someone who has 4 rings.If LeBron really is a stat guy then he wouldn't have joined Miami and stayed in Cleveland all 22 season and counting because he doesn't need to share the basketball with other great players.
What kills me is, LeFlops so called "numbers," other than the 40k, are not impressive. Inflated for sure, but not impressive. And, when you ask about his stats/numbers, in real time his backers will stall after 40k and 1 assists title. They then have to go to Google to continue. Whereas MJ has stats and accomplishments for days. Especially in the Finals and playoffs. Unmatched!!!
MJ IS THE GOAT 🐐 HANDS DOWN STOP THIS DEBATE BRO !!!!!!
First of all, Hardaway is trying to keep everyone happy which is impossible there is no 3 one As there is an A Jordan a 1 A Bryant next a B+ is James the players that have played against all 3 usually pick it in that order
Lol, I know, that was funny. F the numbers....let's just do letters. That way everybody can be number 1. I mean modern day cringe festival smh.
Merry Christmas to all❤❤
Happy Holidays man down sports
@@VincentRogers-s7f happy holidays to you too bro
What is the worth of stats if it’s done in the process of losing? So many times we’ve watched LeBron stat padding while clearly not believing he can win. Yet Kobe gets downgraded for gloriously trying to win even if it damaged his stats. A true winner. Can’t stand hearing LeBron’s name in the same sentence as MJ
MJ DID NOT WIN A PLAYOFF SERIES WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN ON HIS TEAM
What does that have to do with this conversation? Lebron never won without a super team correct? Scottie Pippen was drafted by Chicago and developed isnt that the right way to do things? That hat might be a little to tight on your dome respectfully.
I see you’ve been living under a rock👀
MJ didn't joint Pippen team.
@@doitall36 MJ (even playing three years with Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant), could not figure out how to win an NBA championship until Scott Williams was drafted in 1990. Presto, three straight titles for the Bulls.
There was no such thing as a Playoff Jordan or a Playoff Kobe.
Them two dudes left it all on the court.
LeBron is great, just not in the GOAT conversation
ONE SHOT TO WIN IT ALL ...KOBE OR LEBRON......ILL WAIT
As a Laker, lebron has never made a game winning buzzer beater, from my memory. Kobe has a 42-minute video of game winners and clutch shots on RUclips, KOBE EVERYTIME!!!
Micheal Jordan or Kobe Bryant LeRoid James' cluth stats are ridiculous 17.8% for 19-107 so if you want LeRoid James to take a last second shot go for it I'd rather take it myself!
Kobe Bryant has the most game winning shots in NBA history with 38 and the most in a season with 7 and the most 4th quarter points in NBA history with 715 points and the most OT points in NBA history with 415 points and the most 20 point 4th quarters in NBA HISTORY with 11 and the highest 4th quarter average in NBA history with a 7.4ppg average!
@joeysweet9045 That's why Kobe is the most clutch player ever and arguably the real 🐐 above everybody's favorite player
@Remy0904 yes he was cluth in the regular season or playoffs Michael Jordan has a better cluth time shooting percentage than Kobe but I can't find individual stuff on him like I can Kobe or LeRoid I guess Klutch Sports had Google take it down!
@joeysweet9045 klutch lives up to its name by clutching the media narrative of lebron being the most clutch player ever when there is only minimal actual footage of any of it.
Other night ..wide open 3.....BRICKKKKKKKKKK...ITS MENTAL IN THE CLUCTH WITH LEBRON..we never said that about kobe and mj
EXACTLY!!! PLEASE, say REAL things!!! NO RESPECT for L boyyy!!! RETIRE ALREADY, FADE AWAY!!!