Intro: Two Pastors discuss "The Violent Take it by Force" by Matthew Taylor
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- This is one of the most important books of the year. It studies the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) - and exposes some of the links between that movement and the MAGA movement, including their involvement in the Jan 6 riot. Dave Johnson and Pat Kahnke will discuss it chapter by chapter.
Pat Kahnke's books are available on Amazon:
"A Christian Case Against Donald Trump" (2024): a.co/d/iVSTqny
"MAGA Seduction: Resisting the Debasement of the Christian Conscience" (2020): a.co/d/1KNX3uQ
Dave Johnson's books are also available on Amazon, including "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse": a.co/d/d17eDNy
Holding on to JESUS. Wow, what am insane time. Thank you for continuing to speak out.
You're helping me to gather my thoughts so i can continue on with the good fight.
The silent majority of ordinary Christians needs to speak out against the wolves dressed in Christian clothing. I think they are a vocal minority that is antithetical to Jesus.
I will be tuning in to stay informed. I do not want to be deceived. Thank you two kind teachers.
#1 You guys do a great job of presenting things that should shake up our awareness (and scare us)
#2 Noting the need of reading scripture in "context"
#3"well, when God tells me" is so good to be reminded of.
#4 Clowns, love it!
And so many good points! Okay, I'm headed tomorrow to get the book. You guys do a good job in your book reviews!
Thank you! I learn so much from your videos. It helps so much because I feel overwhelmed by family who spout Christian nationalist rhetoric. 💕
Yes, this channel rocks! I´m sorry that you have to endure that from your family. Love from Norway.
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@@dm2475 I understand, we are being gaslit from all sides. As I'm reading the book from Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny, that's what happened on other authoritarian regimes.
Ezekiel 18:30-31 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?" Thank you for educating us. I feel sorrow and also frustration that so many hearts have been turned by these evil forces. Then again, this is not unexpected. I believe we are living in the last days.
Technically it had been the last days since Jesus returned to heaven. The church has wallowed and wallowed and wallowed. Old Testament prophecies are illustrative of spiritual patterns that appear in Christian faith, and we can certainly look at Ezekiel for that.
I thank you so much for your channel. It nurtures my spirit.
Hello Pastor Kahnke always a pleasure.
this is so very helpful, because I've been thinking and questioning these same things! Please continue these podcasts on this book by Matthew Taylor
The kingdom of God has suffered much violence, and the violent, just mentioned, are the ones who take the kingdom of God by force. This is totally referring to Satan's agenda, not Christians.
You have described a cult. Unquestioned authority from god, patriarchy, dominion, subjugation of women and people of colour, - perfect storm for sexual abuse of children. Ugh. Thank you for bringing this to the light. I am a former evangelical and understand exactly what you are talking about. Ugh
The bible insists on discernment in using the spiritual gifts. Very important.
Nice to see you both together again!
Anything that people are involved in needs to be prayerfully filtered through Christ. Because, unfortunately, people are a hideously sinful lot. Anything that is in opposition to the truth that Jesus teaches is false. Loving God with everything you are and loving each other in the same manner, being my go to filter, keeps my eyes much clearer than they would be otherwise.
I am a born-again. Christian evangelical who is not on the MAGA bandwagon. I been been called a communist and told I can't possibly be a Christian if I don't vote Trump. I feel Very lonely.
They called Jesus worst names... He was called a drunk, a glutton and a friend of "sinners" and many other things remember that always!!!
During the 80’s my family and I were part of a great church for 8 years UNTIL our pastor went to Fuller Seminary and had C. Peter Wagner for an instructor. After that he went whacko…he started a demon deliverance ministry teaching that all Christian’s are full of demons. The church had about 300 and dwindled down to about 12 people most being his own family members. So sad we had to leave. Then we went to the Venice Vineyard. We had some crazy experiences there , people barking like dogs, falling on the floor shaking and crying…all supposedly with the Holy Spirit behind those behaviors. I’ve since learned John Wilber’s theology was not based solidly in scripture. All through these experiences the NAR was growing and spreading so I have lots of old friends completely blinded in the NAR movement/ 7 Mt. Mandate….all going toward Dominionism and politics….they want to make this a Christian nation before the return of Christ. It is all bizarre and actually evil deceptions leading the church astray. I’m so glad you’re dealing with these subjects as they relate to politics happening now.
I’m sure you’ll delete this comment, but maybe one real Christian will see it.
The time is going to come where you will need to decide between the teachings of Jesus Christ and those of Downsald Trump
Not gone yet, but I don't think Kahnke is confusing the two at ALL.
Your statement is a central message of this channel. 😉
Looks like a powerful and important series to come! Thank you! We’ve been looking up interpretations of Matt 11:12, and I feel that we have the gist of the meaning, and how it has been twisted. Looking forward to further discussion on this verse( in context)! Thank you again!
Horrifying. Thanks for going through this for us.
Turning the other cheek is not a solution. We are way past that. Time is running out.
What does it mean to turn the other cheek? Christ is the image we should resemble in words and deeds. He fought fiercely for compassion, justice and truth, but always with words.
I sincerely believe that the Holy Spirit will guide us. I recall that Jesus said not to give thought to what to say when called before the magistrate; the Holy Spirit will guide our thoughts and actions. I am praying for guidance.
NAR roots go back even further than Wagner,The New Order of the Latter Rain movement in the 40’s, started by William Branham. And then I just connected the dots back to Manifest Destiny in our US history to what Trump and Musk are doing now…quite a parallel of motives for US expansion, separatism, nationalism, maybe even a new world order. And Musk has aspirations to be the dictator of Mars someday…also he wants to put computer chips in our human brains to become superhuman. He says, “Dont worry, you’ll like it.” Oh my goodness!! Scary times!!
@@jackbraaten726It means not to retaliate evil for evil. But it does not mean we should stand there and take abuse!
@@RobynAnn Some "Christian" leaders siding with Trump openly say that the situation in America is so bad that the way Jesus is no longer applicable. But let us stay close to him and speak the truth to power in love.
Good work! Please consider this observation: The only authority Jesus granted to the actual Apostles was over unclean spirits and sickness. “Not so among you” was Jesus’ instruction for all kinds of hierarchies. Yes, it’s radical, but no more radical than the beatitudes.
Amen
So disappointed in what’s going on in our world by evangelicals
This is such an impt series - ty for both of you and your discernment and boldness in comparing the true gospel with the NAR. This is one of the most impt books any believer can read I believe today.
I have always thought they are frauds, I'm with you on that.
I have had a "line" that I have been playing with, regarding the topic >> "Turning the Last Days into a self-fulfilling prophecy."
That call themselves accelerationists. Christian Zionist are trying to bring about the end times believing that they will be rulers in the next world.
I enjoyed this. Thank you
I really appreciate you guys for bringing light to this. I look forward to reading this book and hearing more insight from you.
Thank you both! Still waiting to get that book - I put it on hold at my local library. Love hearing your conversations about these books. God bless you both for speaking out.
You two are great!
Don’t you have to discern whether it is from god or the devil? To me the J6 was not from god. This is what scares me because this is what Christian nationals want to teach our children with the change in the school system
The William Branham Historical Research Society has a great RUclips channel outlining the history and roots of NAR, which I have found helpful.
Brothers please read the Great Controversy by EG White
Thank you so much for unpacking these topics!
Thank you gentleman for this information. Would you please apply scripture to what you’re talking about. Matthew 5, 6 &7 covers most. Thanks, Keep praying for God’s help for us to pray for discernment God knows we need to learn discernment.🛐
Pastor Johnson, was it Mark Driscoll you were referring to?
I know how hard it is to remember all the clowns- as pat calls them- sadly, there have been so many !
The "corporatisation" of the church is the problem of our age.
Thank you
Doug Wilson is as dangerous as NAR if not more.
I would say that he is equally as dangerous as NAR. And he would have no problem uniting with this Pentecostal movement, at least initially, because it serves his agenda as well.
Thank you for staying the course of Biblical truth. I will stay tuned so I will know how to operate in God's will and be aware.
I’m really looking forward to the next talks!
I've heard trump is now jehue who killed jezebel.
For those of us who are not born into the 3 Abrahamic faiths, it often seems that each 'book' is like their own Game and they are 'gamers'.
Justification to act however they want!
I’ve said for so long Donald J. Trump… “J” is for Jezebel. So many similarities. Just my pov
AMEN,
20 Then he looked up at his disciples and said:
“Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 “Blessed are you who are hungry now,
for you will be filled.
“Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you, revile you, and defame you on account of the Son of Man. 23 Rejoice on that day and leap for joy, for surely your reward is great in heaven, for that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.
24 “But woe to you who are rich,
for you have received your consolation.
25 “Woe to you who are full now,
for you will be hungry.
“Woe to you who are laughing now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26 “Woe to you when all speak well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Luke 6:26-26
Someone tells me they have God’s unlisted number, I’m out. I pray to the Holy Spirit for the power of discernment and take walks with Jesus. Blessings.❤
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Hi pat 👋🏼.
So sad the amount of exploitation of Christianity
Trump exploited Christianity to win
For sure! It´s nuts...on a fruitcake.
Thank you - I look forward to further discussions about this book. For others, you might want to put a link to the book as I see you didnt provide one.
Doesn’t the Bible say test the spirits-whether prediction comes true. Also must be in accordance with the Bible.
God said “Come, let us reason together.” God is pretty smart. No square circles.
Very informative. Thank you.
Test the prophecies -- 1 Cor 5:20-21
Anyone surprised
Of course,white
Michelle Bachman repeatedly mentioned dominion fundamentalism repeatedly during her presidential run.
The best way I’ve found to counter the nationalist movement in Christianity, is to preach the Kingdom of Heaven like Jesus did (Matthew 3:2). He didn’t just say it once or twice, it was his whole ministry. Bringing people into healing and unity in Him among Jews and Gentiles, bringing us to the idea of the Kingdom of God on earth, was the ministry. Notice the Jew and Gentile being brought together? No, it’s not America first, lol.
I am a member of a Charismatic church in the UK and we follow Jesus, not Trump. Having had 'words from God' myself I know I rely on others who are more mature Christians to test them and it can only help if not everyone has the same political views when it comes to having words related to the political sphere. If you are told you have to follow a certain political view to be in a church or be a Christian surely that is a big problem as you will not be able to test things objectively. Jesus was not affiliated to any political view or party. If he speaks to us it is truth and is mostly to encourage others in the church or speak about the local community. But we need to test every word as to whether it fits with Scripture and in general it should be encouraging. If someone is telling you to hurt or kill others it's unlikely to come from him as he was completely non violent and the Bible teaches us murder and harming others is wrong.
Yes when it came to calling Trump Cryus , David etc..My Bible study was really wound up that and I had to leave.
Not sure what’s up, Pat, but your camera is still doing the thing with the flashing bar across the bottom that happens every so often.
Also, I don’t see the link to the book itself in the description ?
Thanks - I'm experimenting with a fix tomorrow. I didn’t put a link to the book because it’s for sale in different places, and I want to let people choose their outlet.
John Wimber ---> The Vineyard, So. Cal.
He’s a false teacher. They faked the sign gifts and barked like wild animals during their church service . He was part of the Pentecostal and charismatic movement
@@NY1054CoolThat’s right! I was there and saw all that during the 90’s.
Unfortunately this podcast was a bit long winded and you didn't provide an adequate summary or overview of the book. I just didn't quite understand what you were talking about. Good luck. Warm greetings from Australia 🦘
Trump has appointed Paula White to be head of a new “Office of Faith” . This is to be in the White House according to what he said. Who knows what will come of this, since the whole context was about “protecting” Christianity.
Her “prophetic” utterances are loud, repetitive, and cringe. Looks like the charismatics won.
I’ve noticed a focus on Calvinism and the belief that believers are royal heirs. There seems to be little humility, repentance, charity.
Gal 3:28
But Jesus said "go forth into all the world", not keep it local. Did you say we are to keep it local ,Pat?
@galloping3265 What I mean is that I don't believe we should project unverifiable spiritual prophecies or utterances out beyond the reach of proper accountability and oversight.
If the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor: 12) died out with the end of the apostles ministry, why was Paul teaching all in the Church of Corinth about the gifts and how to use them? Just because a Christian believes the entire Bible does not make that person an apostate believer OR a Christian Nationalist, or of NAR… You speak with disdain and act like Charismatic believers are condemned.
46:30
As someone who is a Roman Catholic, I found this impossible to understand. Sorry.
I, too, am a Catholic and I can’t figure out what this man is talking about, either.
I´m Lutheran, but I´m not new to the theme. I recommend this talk by Matthew Taylor. It´s long but I think he paints a good picture.
ruclips.net/video/KbvNleVrvdw/видео.html
@onwardsandupwards7397. Catholics have their own extremist movement called Opus Dei. There are quite a few Catholic politicians and lawmakers who are influenced by this movement, namely some of the Catholic Supreme Court justices, the Vice President, JD Vance, and leaders in the Heritage Foundation that are behind Project 2025. Catholics aren't exempt from this madness. Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh are two Catholics that work at the right wing organization The Daily Wire. They agree with the same agenda as the New Apostolic Reformation, even though the doctrines they espouse might be different.
Since squares and circles are only two dimensional, there is a three dimensional object that is both. Theological application is a separate matter ruclips.net/user/shorts-j_azZ64TM0?si=-TSd4rZnZAfRkY_z
I share your videos and my message today speaks to the christian divide. ruclips.net/user/liveFkbX8gfC28Y?si=r5YN75FW_mvoPhl6