""The problem of disbelieving in God is not that a man ends up believing nothing. Alas, it is much worse. He ends up believing anything." GK Chesterton
I always argue with my sons that pseudo religion can be more dangerous than the original religion. See what Nationalism, Kapitalism, Socialism, the Covidian cult (C.J. Hopkins), the Climate Cult, Genderism, or even Democratism (Emily B. Finley) can lead to.
Half of those things are not religions. You're just slapping the word "religion" on various governing structures, economic theories, and ideologies. I am getting really really really REALLY sick of people using words wrong on purpose to try and make their point pop.
nation: a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country”, in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”. Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices. Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant! Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates. I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue). “Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.
The root meaning of the word 'religion' is to re-connect with the source of life. It's opposite is the word 'corruption' which means to break off from the source of life. That's all you need to know.
@@jackm3040 "Anywhere"? You have read every theological and philosophical text out there, have you? Every book on the evolution of the concept of faith? The English word's etymology is not that. But that is very much the origins of mythopoeic thought in early man.
@@Andrew-jb2ib and @jackm3040 Boy do I have news for you pair! There are books other than dictionaries! (Assuming you even opened a book and didn't just Google the term.) Theological texts. Those of perennial philosophy. Ethnoreligious studies. The origins of mythopoeic thought very much lie in early man's desire to connect with the source of life. Disrespecting not just Christians but millions of other people of faith-including indigenous populations who uphold their traditional conceptions of the world around them-by trying to reduce this to how "clever" you are when it comes to the English language is white man syndrome writ large.
@@Andrew-jb2ib @Andrew-jb2ib and @jackm3040 Boy do I have news for you pair! There are books other than dictionaries! (Assuming you even opened a book and didn't just Google the term.) Theological texts. Those of perennial philosophy. Ethnoreligious studies. The origins of mythopoeic thought very much lie in early man's desire to connect with the source of life. Disrespecting not just Christians but millions of other people of faith-including indigenous populations who uphold their traditional conceptions of the world around them-by trying to reduce this to how "clever" you are when it comes to the English language is white man syndrome writ large.
At 45:00 Esme talks about some right-leaning young men's perceptions of Christianity and paganism. It was odd to hear some of her thoughts, that I've never heard young men express. It seemed to reveal more of her characterisation of those men, rather than what they actually think themselves. Particularly when she said that they don't like Christianity because it makes them submissive to God. That seems like a very major misunderstanding to me. I've always heard young men express disappointment with Christianity because it has become 'woke'. Very revealing...
it matters not the content of a comment. what matters is the direction conversation is trying to be directed. if you're shaping a piece deemed not worthy to fit, you will be tossed.
Agree! I find it impossible to hold the values of the YT minders and still be a person who can think for himself. They can stand anyone who doesn't toe the line - their line, what ever that is.
I found this to be a pseudo-intellectual conversation. It was painful listening to it but I listened to all of it. I could write a 2,000+ word essay dissecting it but the YT comment section isn't an appropriate forum.
Make a response video then, or shut up. Nothing in your comment contributes to anything. Your comment is an example of trying to be intelligent by wording, but what you could have written is «I think this is poo 💩.»
Great discussion on everyone’s part! Would you consider hosting a discussion between Paul Kingsnorth and N.T. Wright? Among many other things, Wright is an Anglican bishop who would understand Kingsnorth’s semi-playful prescription for the Bishop’s role in government. As for the “other end” of Christian expression, Amos Yong a dean at Fuller Theological Seminary is a Malaysian American Pentecostal theologian who would likely agree with and expand on many of Kingsnorth’s fine points. The three of these fine fellows together would make an amazing contribution, especially on the general theme of this particular video.
It started off well and then she started with her pretentious bollocks. He was thoughtful and I was interested in hearing about his spiritual journey. She sounded like a student and repeated ideas she had heard in a philosophy class. I have two master's degrees and as I get older I become less impressed with people quoting others.
she's such a clever girl, she knew that St Bart's was 9000 years old. I'm afraid I underestimated its true age by a factor of 10 - but then, I never went to uni.
Pretty smugtastic. Esme seems to be itching to go on long and self satisfied rants whenever someone else is talking. Often not particularly interesting or even related to what was last said!
Yes, he is certainly charismatic. I wonder what he means though when he says "we". I presume he thinks of Christianity as a universalist faith that is on offer to the whole 8 billion but his sense of what "we" are experiencing these days seems limited to a particular subset of middle class westerners in the English-speaking world.
@MichaelWilson-ee8zx I lived in Uganda for over a year, it is not just the Western English-speaking Middle class. It very much exists for all 8 billion people. Go and see how Africa transfers money, they were the first to use mobiles to transfer money. They could do it on Nokia bricks. They have the ingenuity, and, possibly, the need for the technology the West is using and expanding upon.
I was raised a heathen. The misery resulting in adult life choices drove me to search for a reason to continue living. I knocked on every door. I searched every belief process that was available. And then I researched and read the Christian Bible. I searched first for the roots in Judaism because I was shocked to hear that the Jesus of the Bible was Jewish. Read the book. A man namedNabeel Qureshi Has written a book, “seeking all of finding Jesus “and “no God but one “. This man did deep research and died at the age of 33. He went out like a supernova.
As a certified Catechist, I find the four Gospel icons helpful - St Matthew is represented as a lion symbolising courage; St Mark is represented as an Ox symbolising the strong yet humble servant; St Luke is symbolised by man - the intellect; St John is represented by an eagle - soars above providing insight. In summary, living the Gospel, for Catholics, instils courage, humility, insight and a formation of the intellect. This is why the Catholic Church - the visible Body of Christ - exists, it exists to profess the Gospel - the Kerygma. In hoc signo vinces +
Everyone asks why is the world more depressed , angry , and why is suicide up ? Why !? Maybe because we have turned from God and have zero spiritually? Nahhhh that ain’t it ! You silly Christian.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies. 🤡 To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Nope. The move away from regular church attendance began a LONG time ago. Check disparity in wealth distribution. Look for expectation of ever owning a home. And of course you completely ignore the Oxycontin "suicide" phenomenon which happened in the area of the country with greater church attendance. Trying to imagine the world conforms to your very lazy and low processing beliefs blinds you to reality.
44:50 What Esmé calls "modernity" is post-modernity. Modernity died in the 1960ies. For the European neo-heathens, Christianity is an imported, imposed foreign faith, and the post-modern churches mostly (almost universally) turn their backs on the problems and qualms of the indigenous Europeans. This conversation proves it true.
The comments here seem to be made by pretentious self-admirers. This was really great, succinct, clear and peppered with dry humour at the same time. Paul deserves more appreciation and Esme is keen and human. That's how I like it!
I understand the sentiment, but what is the argument here? What is it exactly about any Knowledge, but specially the knowledge of Good and Evil that would make one sinful? 12:24 Would have loved Paul to expand on this
It's the worship of false idols, the belief that man can put himself in the place of God. Only God can look into the hearts of men and so only God knows Good and Evil.
@@DylanYoung Well, Slave, we all have our own particular BELIEFS, but ultimately, there exists objective truth, which is not subject to our misconceptions and misunderstandings. One who has transcended mundane, relative truth, is said to be an ENLIGHTENED soul. 😇
its only what i think, but the apple brought consciousness, self-awareness where before we had been as innocent as an animal living in the present moment. But I'm not Paul!
In so far as Kingsnorth goes, I like him, I like his ethos, I like his writing. What i dont like is this perspectival framing that people functioning in any sort of ideology find themselves inevitably wrapped up in. What he's saying, essentially, is that he spent his entire life looking in different places for a perspectival framing that allows him to properly relate to what is real and what is divine. Because he couldn't find it in other places, well those all become psuedo-religions. Paganism once again takes on the meaning of savage and primitive. Heresy gets expelled from the Christian colon. Robust and complexified religions/worldviews/theories/philosophies all become reduced to idolotry. The world returns to the state it was in before the enlightenment and in doing so returns the very same social conditions that necessitated the enlightenment's development and stimulated its growth. A world where perspectival framing is no longer considered as emergent through experience, but as imposed on propositionally and participatorily conformed to. Paul was looking for something and that search and that which fulfills it was emergent for him in orthodoxy, but this is not the case for everyone. As the void wrought forth through secularism fails, we must make progress towards the divine. We must focus on embracing our traditions, both old and new, and even more so focus on empowering others. We cant force our views on everyone, we cant expect that and im not saying Kingsnorth is attempting this, but it is a trap for a dogmatic adherence to any system or value or idea. It is essentially advocated for implicitly. It is a human flaw to seek validation in others' acceptance of how we view ourselves, we cant impose, but what we can do is empower each other through shining a light. Maybe that results in conversion, maybe it doesn't, but it does lead to a more fluid coexistence and that's a better world as far as I'm concerned. It's the world secularism wanted to adapt to, but materialism wouldn't allow for. Through friendship and fellowship we can help the newer traditions grow, help the older traditions enlighten themselves, and help the secular society grow in the innate beauty of human diversity, biodiversity.
The problem I have with Mr Kingsnorth, or one of them I suppose, is the way he tosses around this "we", as in "we don't know what a human being is" and "we think truth is whatever we say it is". Who is this "we"? I suspect we are talking about a subset of middle class people living in the wealthier nations of the world and not at all about the other 8 billion or so human beings who are definitely NOT wrestling with Paul's relationship to the divine or how the gradual withdrawal of Xtianity from the world has caused a chaos. This is the same "we" that colonized and Christianized and slaughtered its way to domination of the whole planet and its material resources; I don't see why or how we should care what little neurotic trembles they are experiencing as that domination recedes like the sea of faith.
The Western thought is that we can come to know God through the Word, which can be found in the Bible. This is the largest issue, you cannot hide or gatekeep the truth. If somebody handles it irresponsibly, we stand against them.
In your own words, define "RELIGION". 🤔 If your definition comes within a light year of the ACTUAL definition, I promise that I will send you a very valuable Christmas gift.🎁
Religion is your highest value. Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Religion is religare - to rebind. To re bind to what? God. God is what? God is the greatest good. Religion is to rebind, reorient, remember your commitment to the greatest good. Is is manipulated and twisted into an abomination? Yes. It is no longer religion at that point, by definition. It is a psuedo religion or false ideology. False idols and whatnot. This simple definition lacks nuance and context, so i will be 0% surprised if someone incredulously scrutinizes the shortcomings of my simple definition.
You don't need a theory of what it means to be human. You can just look at humans to understand them. How well you understand them depends on how intelligent you are and how much effort you put into studying them. You should ask permission before experimenting on your fellow humans. Even then, it might not be legal or moral.
We don’t have this frustration in America, so you may want to omit “the West” from your title. And we don’t have this frustration because religion has never been institutionalized in such a way that it becomes another mask for the State. Religion in America is anarchist. And while it’s true that America spawns numerous cults, that’s actually a sign of a spiritually healthy society. If anything is a threat to spiritual life in America it is actually Enlightenment Liberalism. Or Classical Liberalism & its excesses. Because even though we were born out of this movement, and are the best example of it succeeding, it has and has always had a dark component built into it, which wants to emphasize State control & conformity through compromise.
About half of America is religious in the traditional sense and the other half is busy inventing and promoting the quasi religion of woke, more fervently than anywhere else in the West.
Isn't all belief superstition unless it is based on one's direct experience? Can beliefs take you to the truth? Examining one's beliefs is so important.
How does anyone know that Christianity isn't the untrue thing that rushes in to fill the void? You don't know. That is why religions are based on faith, and not knowledge.
Why is it necessary to lose the good things that a religion has provided when you lose the religion? The early church fathers borrowed from previous religions. Why can't atheists do the same?
Why argue that culture is created by spirit when we have genes, time and place? Mr Kingsnorth is confusing cause with effect. Nevertheless, he's addressing matters important to the survival of the West. Great guest.
I don't get Kingsnorth. He's a convert with limited credential and a longstanding need to stay busy and hear himself talk. Why is he everywhere? Why the platform? We talked about this in Divinity school 35 years ago.
He represents the cultural and religious shift that is happening currently. He’s intelligent, articulated and willing to speak about his experience. You could say the same about Russell Brand but the difference is Kingsnorth’s not the good old story of the ex degenerate who converted to Christianity. In a sense there’s more seriousness in Paul. I also wonder the same as you, that’s just my guess.
If you talked about this all those years ago, then why have you been sitting around silently watching everyone be swept up in this wave of what you surely saw coming?
The show would have been so much better if the host had allowed the guest to speak for more than a few sentences at a time. Instead, it felt like the host dominated the conversation, cutting off any chance for deeper insights or meaningful dialogue. Why invite a guest if they’re not given the space to share their perspective? A good interview should feel like a conversation, not a monologue.
Excellent guest, thank you. I’d add “oneself” and fame to the list of things that are worshipped now. One thing I’m always curious about Unheard - why do you always have posh kids as interviewers? Are you sponsored by Cambridge University or something?
What is the source of a spiritual search? Is it a Platonic lack in the individual that must be made whole? Do people miss this spirituality from birth or does maturity initiate the search? Do all people perceive this lack, but only a certain few especially sensitive people feel the impulse to make a spiritual journey?
When we have divorced conduct from Religion - which we have. Divorced relationship from Religion - which we have. Divorced death from Religion - which we have. Divorced Love from Religion - which we have. We have made Love into something sensuous and pleasurable. Then Religion - which is the factor of Regeneration - dissappears in Man. And that is why we are so degenerated " Religion is the gathering of all energy in that quality of attention, and it is that quality of attention that regenerates man. That brings about real transformation in Man, with regards to his conduct, his behaviour, his whole way of relationship. Religion is that factor. Krishnamurti
Question: So can we say that God exists with or without religion, and it is possible to be in union with God and live a saintly life through mysticism alone? I ask this because, having been an avid seeker of truth for many years (dwelling for a little while in non-duality) I had profound, and long-lasting mystical experiences (unity with God) without any religious influence, except that to find truth. I am afraid to "buy into" anything, be it religion, government mandates, opinions of others, etc. etc. I feel like I know God and cherish him every day without Christianity... and it is very hard for me to know that kind of love and also believe any religion that denies entrance into heaven unless you specifically say "Jesus died on the cross for my sins" (I'm paraphrasing.
🎄Merry Christmas!🎄 There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️ There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person, or Deity.🤓 It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God Who created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
If God exists then God would exist with or without religion. Religion is man-made, and, while some would proclaim their teachings (or the teachings of others) to be divinely inspired, it is up to each of us to use his or her own discernment when assessing the teachings. Another thing to consider is that the teachings in texts such as The Bible have gone through various translations and interpretations, and have also had many books removed altogether from the canon. This is usually done for the benefit of those in power, and to the detriment of those who are seeking truth. If you're interested in mystery teachings, a good place to start is: The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall. He doesn't get everything right, but there's a lot of good stuff in there to help you get started on your journey. Another good book is The Kybalion. Good luck with your journey. Merry Christmas and God bless.
Not to put too fine a point on it but, no, we can not be in union with God through mysticism alone. There is one God who made himself clear (but not simple) through the Bible. You can live a life of "good vibes" but in the end it leads nowhere.
You, and people like you, looking for a personal nexus to the divine, will be a misfit in any organized religion. You are a tiny minority in the mankind. Most people just mind their daily needs and chores and will be happy to limit their ties with God to simple rituals. IMO, religions are a human social construct designed to control the populace (the sheep). You don't seem to be controllable, and in any pre-modern society you would have a very hard time. This video seems to confuse mysticism (individual) and religion (collective, mass). Yes, the Eastern Orthodox christianity is stricter in its rules for the sheep, but the Russian orthodox church has always been a tool of the Russian secular government. So, their mysticism may be just an escape from that reality of being a tool.
Kinda sounds like you're saying the salem witch trials were actually a good thing, witchcraft is real and evil, and people shouldn't watch harry potter? Hard to take the rest of what you say seriously as a result
@@williammkydde God willing. Maybe she just needs a good man. I recommend you, William. I'm sure you can find this lost sheep and lead her to the Light.
@@charlieweaver6322 Althought I am no shepherd, yet, merely out of consideration for your very insightful and - importantly and undoubtedly - sincere advice, i would consider trying just that. Fortunately, this sheep already seems to be in the appropriate herd. Merry Christmas, Charlie!
and I suppose faith in science is the opposite with it's search for truth ? A blanket surely? I am not particularly religious, but I do see the need for religion played out in various ways. One is the worship of science. Another is the worship of money and goods. It took me a while to admit that Christianity gave science it's search for truth.
A religion is a system of belief which has proven to help a population to survive, reproduce and grow. A pseudo-religion preys on the impulse to be religious. Religions are adaptive, pseudo-religion are parasitic. The empirical, epistemic and metaphysical claims of religion are false and instrumental, but that's missing the point.
religion is just a particular social practice of a particular group pertaining to the abstract concepts which bind it all together in a functioning whole. higher ideals interpreted as social actions. nothing more. there's no truth in a practice. truth is in the higher ideals.
There is no God in Absolute as there is nothing to create there except Laughter from Christ Krishna Buddha Muhammad Ramakrishna and some more Messengers from Absolute.
My comment appears to have vanished so you're on your own. Will we ever have a platform where we can say the same things we can say on the public streets?
Pray for Truth. It may take a year and lots of reading but only 1 God can answer. I could give you a shortcut but often the work needs to be done by you.
And We have already sent Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. Then We sent following their footsteps [i.e., traditions] Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allāh. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. Quran: 57:27-28
this has been brewing up for a long time. this is not good. there's no going back to some imagined eden. non believers can't just flip a switch. there's reasons people don't believe. if the reasons are rational going back is tantamount to becoming unreasonable.
@@jocr1971how wrong you are. History shows huge changes of course in a short time. Progress, the ‘divine principle’ of the chattering class has no more relevance than anything else. Better wake up.
Bring it on, full force, and deliver Attwood’s dream of being suppressed. It won’t be any worse than the sh.t we now wade through daily thanks to you enlightened ‘liberals’. My streets are awash with drugs and homeless. Ever been there yourself? Thought not. Been to war recently, at the behest of the liberal good and great trying to convert the res5 of the world to ‘tolerant’ liberal values? I have, you haven’t. A bit of serious Christian Nationalism would be a nice change, thanks. But then intelligensia like you wouldn’t like the church attendance. Well, you had better choose. Christianity or Islam. Hope you are not gay, the latter could be worse than the former.
i add to my previous comment listening further to this absurd man having to some extent trusted unherd to have partly sane contestants in the past, actually listening to the obvious madness and terribly lacking arguments of this man Unherd must have known and i shall no longer ever again tune in to Unherd as you have an editorial responsibility to dish up actual adult fayre, ALWAYS ... not this utter drivel worse than her favourite witchtok
Love the dialog! Insightful & thoughtful - Dream catchers are fun to make, How are they different then a "saint or icons?" Connecting to our ancestors for native americans is important as long as the hierarchical is the Great Spirut at the top (g-d)Thanks
What, about the invasion of Iraq? That pompous rhetorician was wrong on a number of levels, but loved the sound of his own voice. Much like Stephen Fry, who I suspect you also think is a great person.
""The problem of disbelieving in God is not that a man ends up believing nothing. Alas, it is much worse. He ends up believing anything." GK Chesterton
The psychiatrist, Iain McGilchrist would largely agree. Most people these days, he argues lack spiritual values.
I always argue with my sons that pseudo religion can be more dangerous than the original religion. See what Nationalism, Kapitalism, Socialism, the Covidian cult (C.J. Hopkins), the Climate Cult, Genderism, or even Democratism (Emily B. Finley) can lead to.
Half of those things are not religions. You're just slapping the word "religion" on various governing structures, economic theories, and ideologies.
I am getting really really really REALLY sick of people using words wrong on purpose to try and make their point pop.
Which half aren't religions and why?
Did they retort "look what Christianity led to" ?
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat When people worship those things they become religions. Fascism is the idolatry of the state
nation:
a population, normally residing in the same geographic region, in which most all the citizens share a common race, religion, language, and culture. This word is VERY often used erroneously in the stead of the term “country”. Therefore, it is highly suggested that one refer to the Glossary entry under “country”, in order to understand the distinction between a “country” and a “nation”.
Unfortunately, an enormous percentage of the population has been indoctrinated by leftists to regard NATIONALISM as a malevolent ideology, when in fact, the adherence to a nationalistic framework is beneficial to both the citizenry of a nation and to the world as a whole. Multicultural societies are constantly fraught with conflicts, due to the incompatibility of competing ideologies and practices.
Imagine, if you will, that the million most conservative men from an Islamic nation in Middle-east Asia, such as Afghanistan, and the million most feministic women from a liberal country like Canada, were taken to some barren island and asked to establish a new civilization. How harmonious and prosperous do you believe such a mismatch of persons would be? TOTALLY discordant!
Furthermore, a variety of national identities is intrinsically beneficial, for nobody would want to travel to another nation if that nation was fundamentally identical to their own nation, except to experience the unique geographical features, diets or climates.
I, for one, am glad that I can visit a nation such as Japan in order to experience its unique culture and language, then choose to visit or reside in nations such as Ireland and Egypt in order to experience the unique languages, food, art, dance, cinema, music, religion, and customs of those two nations. Of course, if I decided to reside in a nation where the language and culture differed radically from my own, I would need to adapt. For example, if I were to migrate to a Middle-east Asian nation, such as the one mentioned above, I could not openly criticize the Islamic faith (and especially its founder) without putting my very existence at risk. Upon moving to the Philippines over a decade ago, I found it EXTREMELY easy to acclimatize to its culture, since it is very much a Westernized nation, not dissimilar to the country of my birth, The Southland (that is, “Terra Australis” or “Australia”, as it is known in the Latin tongue).
“Nation” was first recorded in the thirteenth century, from the Middle English, from Latin “nātiōn-” (stem of “nātiō”), meaning “birth” or “tribe”, equivalent to “nāt(us)” (past participle of “nāscī”, meaning “to be born”) + “-iōn-”. “-ion” a suffix, appearing in words of Latin origin, denoting action or condition, used in Latin and in English to form nouns from stems of Latin adjectives.
Congratulations. You have just reiterated what Nietzsche wrote 140 years ago.
I think Kierkegaard fits in more here then Nietzsche
The root meaning of the word 'religion' is to re-connect with the source of life. It's opposite is the word 'corruption' which means to break off from the source of life. That's all you need to know.
No it doesn't. That's not found ANYWHERE. It simply is not true what you say.
@@jackm3040 "Anywhere"? You have read every theological and philosophical text out there, have you? Every book on the evolution of the concept of faith? The English word's etymology is not that. But that is very much the origins of mythopoeic thought in early man.
Latin: Religare - to bind OR Religio - bond/obligation.
That's the source
@@Andrew-jb2ib and @jackm3040 Boy do I have news for you pair! There are books other than dictionaries! (Assuming you even opened a book and didn't just Google the term.) Theological texts. Those of perennial philosophy. Ethnoreligious studies. The origins of mythopoeic thought very much lie in early man's desire to connect with the source of life. Disrespecting not just Christians but millions of other people of faith-including indigenous populations who uphold their traditional conceptions of the world around them-by trying to reduce this to how "clever" you are when it comes to the English language is white man syndrome writ large.
@@Andrew-jb2ib @Andrew-jb2ib and @jackm3040 Boy do I have news for you pair! There are books other than dictionaries! (Assuming you even opened a book and didn't just Google the term.) Theological texts. Those of perennial philosophy. Ethnoreligious studies. The origins of mythopoeic thought very much lie in early man's desire to connect with the source of life. Disrespecting not just Christians but millions of other people of faith-including indigenous populations who uphold their traditional conceptions of the world around them-by trying to reduce this to how "clever" you are when it comes to the English language is white man syndrome writ large.
Modernity is man wanting to become God.
At 45:00 Esme talks about some right-leaning young men's perceptions of Christianity and paganism. It was odd to hear some of her thoughts, that I've never heard young men express. It seemed to reveal more of her characterisation of those men, rather than what they actually think themselves. Particularly when she said that they don't like Christianity because it makes them submissive to God. That seems like a very major misunderstanding to me. I've always heard young men express disappointment with Christianity because it has become 'woke'. Very revealing...
The Church of England is so bad these days they don't even follow the teachings of their own Holy Book, eg. 1 Timothy 2:12
Christ is King
And His love is the only thing that can save us
Let me fix that for you:
Love is the only thing that can save us.
It is becoming impossible to post comments on RUclips
It is extremely enlightening seeing what youtube censors. What and who you can't criticise tells you a great deal.
it matters not the content of a comment. what matters is the direction conversation is trying to be directed.
if you're shaping a piece deemed not worthy to fit, you will be tossed.
Or they'll let you post and then sha.dowban anyway.
Agree! I find it impossible to hold the values of the YT minders and still be a person who can think for himself. They can stand anyone who doesn't toe the line - their line, what ever that is.
@@jocr1971 Isn't that convenient
The concept of Gen Z, Gen B, and Gen C is so off-putting. So banal. It is such an oversimplification.
Yh I think it should just be pre iPhone, and post lol
I found this to be a pseudo-intellectual conversation. It was painful listening to it but I listened to all of it. I could write a 2,000+ word essay dissecting it but the YT comment section isn't an appropriate forum.
Make a response video then, or shut up. Nothing in your comment contributes to anything. Your comment is an example of trying to be intelligent by wording, but what you could have written is «I think this is poo 💩.»
Great discussion on everyone’s part! Would you consider hosting a discussion between Paul Kingsnorth and N.T. Wright? Among many other things, Wright is an Anglican bishop who would understand Kingsnorth’s semi-playful prescription for the Bishop’s role in government. As for the “other end” of Christian expression, Amos Yong a dean at Fuller Theological Seminary is a Malaysian American Pentecostal theologian who would likely agree with and expand on many of Kingsnorth’s fine points. The three of these fine fellows together would make an amazing contribution, especially on the general theme of this particular video.
It started off well and then she started with her pretentious bollocks. He was thoughtful and I was interested in hearing about his spiritual journey. She sounded like a student and repeated ideas she had heard in a philosophy class. I have two master's degrees and as I get older I become less impressed with people quoting others.
Respect your perspective but i found her context important to the tapestry they were weaving. Peace
Agreed, she is full of it. Tedious woman.
Alright hardnut
she's such a clever girl, she knew that St Bart's was 9000 years old. I'm afraid I underestimated its true age by a factor of 10 - but then, I never went to uni.
Yep, 100%. I call them psychological clones.
Pretty smugtastic. Esme seems to be itching to go on long and self satisfied rants whenever someone else is talking.
Often not particularly interesting or even related to what was last said!
I love this guy and could listen to him all day long. He is just brilliant!!
Yes, he is certainly charismatic. I wonder what he means though when he says "we". I presume he thinks of Christianity as a universalist faith that is on offer to the whole 8 billion but his sense of what "we" are experiencing these days seems limited to a particular subset of middle class westerners in the English-speaking world.
@MichaelWilson-ee8zx I lived in Uganda for over a year, it is not just the Western English-speaking Middle class. It very much exists for all 8 billion people. Go and see how Africa transfers money, they were the first to use mobiles to transfer money. They could do it on Nokia bricks. They have the ingenuity, and, possibly, the need for the technology the West is using and expanding upon.
I was raised a heathen. The misery resulting in adult life choices drove me to search for a reason to continue living. I knocked on every door. I searched every belief process that was available. And then I researched and read the Christian Bible. I searched first for the roots in Judaism because I was shocked to hear that the Jesus of the Bible was Jewish. Read the book. A man namedNabeel Qureshi Has written a book, “seeking all of finding Jesus “and “no God but one “. This man did deep research and died at the age of 33. He went out like a supernova.
I would be wary of trusting a muslim about the "discoveries" he makes about Jesus Christ and the Jews. Just saying.
we just have no clue and cling to whatever feels right.
Right and wrong are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, are you VEGAN? 🌱
There have been ethnic groups that no longer exist because of genocides. What spiritual beliefs should they have had?
do what's necessary for the survival of kin. progress or disappear. be stronger or become overcome.
Christian. Because the life continues on even after you have been murdered terribly.
Enchantment isn't magic. It's unitive consciousness. Start with Barfield. Reactionary converts are hilarious.
This is why no one listens to people who went to divinity school, by the way.
As a certified Catechist, I find the four Gospel icons helpful - St Matthew is represented as a lion symbolising courage; St Mark is represented as an Ox symbolising the strong yet humble servant; St Luke is symbolised by man - the intellect; St John is represented by an eagle - soars above providing insight.
In summary, living the Gospel, for Catholics, instils courage, humility, insight and a formation of the intellect. This is why the Catholic Church - the visible Body of Christ - exists, it exists to profess the Gospel - the Kerygma. In hoc signo vinces +
You've got those mixed up friend. Matthew is the human form. Luke is the Ox
@@afertileheart Lol - I stand corrected and I wasn't even drinking last night. Pax Christi +
Meh, the turn of a millennium in a Christian culture is always a crazy time.
Everyone asks why is the world more depressed , angry , and why is suicide up ? Why !? Maybe because we have turned from God and have zero spiritually? Nahhhh that ain’t it ! You silly Christian.
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations caused by poor breeding strategies.
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To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, socialism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
Right! A shunning of God and his mean old rules couldn't possibly be the cause... right? 🤔
Nope. The move away from regular church attendance began a LONG time ago. Check disparity in wealth distribution. Look for expectation of ever owning a home. And of course you completely ignore the Oxycontin "suicide" phenomenon which happened in the area of the country with greater church attendance.
Trying to imagine the world conforms to your very lazy and low processing beliefs blinds you to reality.
@@jackm3040you're a very cheerful sort.
Commenting on every other thread.
Maybe time to take a rest, eh?
44:50 What Esmé calls "modernity" is post-modernity. Modernity died in the 1960ies. For the European neo-heathens, Christianity is an imported, imposed foreign faith, and the post-modern churches mostly (almost universally) turn their backs on the problems and qualms of the indigenous Europeans. This conversation proves it true.
Her little addition about the supernova of religion sounds like nonsense. The only new faith to arise is wokeism.
Interviewer should really just ask questions 🥱
Esme wasn't the interviewer
The comments here seem to be made by pretentious self-admirers. This was really great, succinct, clear and peppered with dry humour at the same time. Paul deserves more appreciation and Esme is keen and human. That's how I like it!
I understand the sentiment, but what is the argument here? What is it exactly about any Knowledge, but specially the knowledge of Good and Evil that would make one sinful? 12:24 Would have loved Paul to expand on this
It's the worship of false idols, the belief that man can put himself in the place of God. Only God can look into the hearts of men and so only God knows Good and Evil.
Good and bad are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
@@DylanYoung
Well, Slave, we all have our own particular BELIEFS, but ultimately, there exists objective truth, which is not subject to our misconceptions and misunderstandings.
One who has transcended mundane, relative truth, is said to be an ENLIGHTENED soul. 😇
its only what i think, but the apple brought consciousness, self-awareness where before we had been as innocent as an animal living in the present moment. But I'm not Paul!
In so far as Kingsnorth goes, I like him, I like his ethos, I like his writing. What i dont like is this perspectival framing that people functioning in any sort of ideology find themselves inevitably wrapped up in. What he's saying, essentially, is that he spent his entire life looking in different places for a perspectival framing that allows him to properly relate to what is real and what is divine. Because he couldn't find it in other places, well those all become psuedo-religions. Paganism once again takes on the meaning of savage and primitive. Heresy gets expelled from the Christian colon. Robust and complexified religions/worldviews/theories/philosophies all become reduced to idolotry.
The world returns to the state it was in before the enlightenment and in doing so returns the very same social conditions that necessitated the enlightenment's development and stimulated its growth. A world where perspectival framing is no longer considered as emergent through experience, but as imposed on propositionally and participatorily conformed to.
Paul was looking for something and that search and that which fulfills it was emergent for him in orthodoxy, but this is not the case for everyone. As the void wrought forth through secularism fails, we must make progress towards the divine. We must focus on embracing our traditions, both old and new, and even more so focus on empowering others. We cant force our views on everyone, we cant expect that and im not saying Kingsnorth is attempting this, but it is a trap for a dogmatic adherence to any system or value or idea. It is essentially advocated for implicitly. It is a human flaw to seek validation in others' acceptance of how we view ourselves, we cant impose, but what we can do is empower each other through shining a light. Maybe that results in conversion, maybe it doesn't, but it does lead to a more fluid coexistence and that's a better world as far as I'm concerned. It's the world secularism wanted to adapt to, but materialism wouldn't allow for. Through friendship and fellowship we can help the newer traditions grow, help the older traditions enlighten themselves, and help the secular society grow in the innate beauty of human diversity, biodiversity.
The problem I have with Mr Kingsnorth, or one of them I suppose, is the way he tosses around this "we", as in "we don't know what a human being is" and "we think truth is whatever we say it is". Who is this "we"? I suspect we are talking about a subset of middle class people living in the wealthier nations of the world and not at all about the other 8 billion or so human beings who are definitely NOT wrestling with Paul's relationship to the divine or how the gradual withdrawal of Xtianity from the world has caused a chaos. This is the same "we" that colonized and Christianized and slaughtered its way to domination of the whole planet and its material resources; I don't see why or how we should care what little neurotic trembles they are experiencing as that domination recedes like the sea of faith.
I don't think things are rushing in to fill a void. Evil is what exists where good is absent. Simple as that.
The Western thought is that we can come to know God through the Word, which can be found in the Bible. This is the largest issue, you cannot hide or gatekeep the truth. If somebody handles it irresponsibly, we stand against them.
I wish Esme had shut up more & let her guest speak. She waffled.
Esmé has nice legs, though.
Getting a plumber job..is more useful to society than sitting crossed legs and waving arms..
Perhaps the interviewer could let her guest talk
Loved this discussion. Lots to follow up on and read about. More of Esme!
Bonkers
I love Paul Kingsnorth's forthright truth telling.
In your own words, define "RELIGION". 🤔
If your definition comes within a light year of the ACTUAL definition, I promise that I will send you a very valuable Christmas gift.🎁
Religion is your highest value.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Religion is religare - to rebind. To re bind to what? God. God is what? God is the greatest good.
Religion is to rebind, reorient, remember your commitment to the greatest good.
Is is manipulated and twisted into an abomination? Yes.
It is no longer religion at that point, by definition. It is a psuedo religion or false ideology. False idols and whatnot.
This simple definition lacks nuance and context, so i will be 0% surprised if someone incredulously scrutinizes the shortcomings of my simple definition.
@@1just2confused3no.
@Deepfake820 no.
You don't need a theory of what it means to be human. You can just look at humans to understand them. How well you understand them depends on how intelligent you are and how much effort you put into studying them. You should ask permission before experimenting on your fellow humans. Even then, it might not be legal or moral.
Intellectual-Christian fashion. She rejects Jung too fast, and he dismisses magic (esoterica) too fast. They should talk to a Buddhist.
We don’t have this frustration in America, so you may want to omit “the West” from your title. And we don’t have this frustration because religion has never been institutionalized in such a way that it becomes another mask for the State. Religion in America is anarchist. And while it’s true that America spawns numerous cults, that’s actually a sign of a spiritually healthy society. If anything is a threat to spiritual life in America it is actually Enlightenment Liberalism. Or Classical Liberalism & its excesses. Because even though we were born out of this movement, and are the best example of it succeeding, it has and has always had a dark component built into it, which wants to emphasize State control & conformity through compromise.
About half of America is religious in the traditional sense and the other half is busy inventing and promoting the quasi religion of woke, more fervently than anywhere else in the West.
Come on Paul, u know fine right thats not what Crowley ment with that phrase. (Not withstanding some of his 'followers' these days of course)
Isn't all belief superstition unless it is based on one's direct experience? Can beliefs take you to the truth? Examining one's beliefs is so important.
How does anyone know that Christianity isn't the untrue thing that rushes in to fill the void? You don't know. That is why religions are based on faith, and not knowledge.
Because Christ is the only one who is pre announced
I don't agree with Mr. Kingsnorth, but he makes some points I had not considered before.
Why is it necessary to lose the good things that a religion has provided when you lose the religion? The early church fathers borrowed from previous religions. Why can't atheists do the same?
Why argue that culture is created by spirit when we have genes, time and place?
Mr Kingsnorth is confusing cause with effect. Nevertheless, he's addressing matters important to the survival of the West. Great guest.
I don't get Kingsnorth. He's a convert with limited credential and a longstanding need to stay busy and hear himself talk. Why is he everywhere? Why the platform? We talked about this in Divinity school 35 years ago.
He represents the cultural and religious shift that is happening currently. He’s intelligent, articulated and willing to speak about his experience.
You could say the same about Russell Brand but the difference is Kingsnorth’s not the good old story of the ex degenerate who converted to Christianity. In a sense there’s more seriousness in Paul.
I also wonder the same as you, that’s just my guess.
If you talked about this all those years ago, then why have you been sitting around silently watching everyone be swept up in this wave of what you surely saw coming?
I really appreciate Paul and find his voice and perspectives refreshing and insightful. I watch every unherd episode he appear on
He is hardly everywhere. Not on my news. Not in my newspapérs. None of my friends know who he is or what he believes.
The show would have been so much better if the host had allowed the guest to speak for more than a few sentences at a time. Instead, it felt like the host dominated the conversation, cutting off any chance for deeper insights or meaningful dialogue. Why invite a guest if they’re not given the space to share their perspective? A good interview should feel like a conversation, not a monologue.
It all boils down to what scientific method youre using and whether your philosophy is influenced by any scientific method at all.
A great interview
Excellent guest, thank you.
I’d add “oneself” and fame to the list of things that are worshipped now.
One thing I’m always curious about Unheard - why do you always have posh kids as interviewers? Are you sponsored by Cambridge University or something?
The only "true religion" is silence.
Where you will find and hear the Trinity
What is the source of a spiritual search? Is it a Platonic lack in the individual that must be made whole? Do people miss this spirituality from birth or does maturity initiate the search? Do all people perceive this lack, but only a certain few especially sensitive people feel the impulse to make a spiritual journey?
Get Dan McClellan on the show, that would really be interesting!
When we have divorced conduct from Religion - which we have.
Divorced relationship from Religion - which we have.
Divorced death from Religion - which we have.
Divorced Love from Religion - which we have.
We have made Love into something sensuous and pleasurable.
Then Religion - which is the factor of Regeneration - dissappears in Man.
And that is why we are so degenerated "
Religion is the gathering of all energy in that quality of attention, and it is that quality of attention that regenerates man.
That brings about real transformation in Man, with regards to his conduct, his behaviour, his whole way of relationship.
Religion is that factor.
Krishnamurti
Don't believe everything you READ. 📖
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
This is really good discussion ❤
But Esme is irritating.
Question: So can we say that God exists with or without religion, and it is possible to be in union with God and live a saintly life through mysticism alone? I ask this because, having been an avid seeker of truth for many years (dwelling for a little while in non-duality) I had profound, and long-lasting mystical experiences (unity with God) without any religious influence, except that to find truth. I am afraid to "buy into" anything, be it religion, government mandates, opinions of others, etc. etc. I feel like I know God and cherish him every day without Christianity... and it is very hard for me to know that kind of love and also believe any religion that denies entrance into heaven unless you specifically say "Jesus died on the cross for my sins" (I'm paraphrasing.
🎄Merry Christmas!🎄
There’s only one TINY little problem with what you wrote above, Sir.☝️
There has never been, nor will there ever be, even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence for the existence of the Godhead, that is, a Supreme Person, or Deity.🤓
It is high time for humanity to awaken from all INANE superstitions such as the belief in a Personal God Who created the Universe, would you not agree, Slave? 😩
If God exists then God would exist with or without religion. Religion is man-made, and, while some would proclaim their teachings (or the teachings of others) to be divinely inspired, it is up to each of us to use his or her own discernment when assessing the teachings. Another thing to consider is that the teachings in texts such as The Bible have gone through various translations and interpretations, and have also had many books removed altogether from the canon. This is usually done for the benefit of those in power, and to the detriment of those who are seeking truth.
If you're interested in mystery teachings, a good place to start is: The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall. He doesn't get everything right, but there's a lot of good stuff in there to help you get started on your journey. Another good book is The Kybalion.
Good luck with your journey.
Merry Christmas and God bless.
Not to put too fine a point on it but, no, we can not be in union with God through mysticism alone. There is one God who made himself clear (but not simple) through the Bible. You can live a life of "good vibes" but in the end it leads nowhere.
You, and people like you, looking for a personal nexus to the divine, will be a misfit in any organized religion. You are a tiny minority in the mankind. Most people just mind their daily needs and chores and will be happy to limit their ties with God to simple rituals. IMO, religions are a human social construct designed to control the populace (the sheep). You don't seem to be controllable, and in any pre-modern society you would have a very hard time.
This video seems to confuse mysticism (individual) and religion (collective, mass). Yes, the Eastern Orthodox christianity is stricter in its rules for the sheep, but the Russian orthodox church has always been a tool of the Russian secular government. So, their mysticism may be just an escape from that reality of being a tool.
Kinda sounds like you're saying the salem witch trials were actually a good thing, witchcraft is real and evil, and people shouldn't watch harry potter? Hard to take the rest of what you say seriously as a result
Enchantment isn't magic. It's unitive consciousness. Start with Barfield.
Guenon? Problematic.
Lordy. Reactionary converts are hilarious.
Just know The Lord,. That will do,....He will lead you through your theoretic up-heavals and confusions,.
Insufferable enfantalizing
Interesting conversation. Questioning my irritation with Esme - she seems smugly full of herself.
What else would she be full of?
@@charlieweaver6322 God's love?
Both of them are.
@@williammkydde God willing. Maybe she just needs a good man. I recommend you, William. I'm sure you can find this lost sheep and lead her to the Light.
@@charlieweaver6322 Althought I am no shepherd, yet, merely out of consideration for your very insightful and - importantly and undoubtedly - sincere advice, i would consider trying just that. Fortunately, this sheep already seems to be in the appropriate herd. Merry Christmas, Charlie!
Jesus Christ is the son of God and he rose from the dead !!!
Thanks for dropping by. Do you paste that everywhere?
Not a shred of decent evidence. Laughable
Religion is the millstone around humanity's neck. The unevolved security blanket required of the tedious mind.
and I suppose faith in science is the opposite with it's search for truth ? A blanket surely? I am not particularly religious, but I do see the need for religion played out in various ways. One is the worship of science. Another is the worship of money and goods. It took me a while to admit that Christianity gave science it's search for truth.
Blah, blah, blah ……. Dawkins …….. blah, blah, blah ………Positivism ………. Blah, blah, blah ………. Hitchens …….. Blah, blah, blah ……. I’m superior. Heard it.
Either all religions are pseudo religions or none of them are.
Your “logic” is UNDERWHELMING, Sir. 🙄
🎄Merry Christmas!🎄
A religion is a system of belief which has proven to help a population to survive, reproduce and grow. A pseudo-religion preys on the impulse to be religious. Religions are adaptive, pseudo-religion are parasitic. The empirical, epistemic and metaphysical claims of religion are false and instrumental, but that's missing the point.
religion is just a particular social practice of a particular group pertaining to the abstract concepts which bind it all together in a functioning whole. higher ideals interpreted as social actions. nothing more.
there's no truth in a practice. truth is in the higher ideals.
@@TheWorldTeacherHow so?
Pseudo religions pop up overnight. Religions have the depth of time behind and under them.
As long as you have a symbol, idol, crucifix, black cube...between you and God you will never be free.
Nonsense. The Christian Saints prove you wrong.
There is no God in Absolute as there is nothing to create there except Laughter from Christ Krishna Buddha Muhammad Ramakrishna and some more Messengers from Absolute.
Typical shallow western insights...
lost me at the beginnning. despite my belief in a cruel, selfish, and nonsensical deity
Is this channel a trojan horse for priests?
With so many different religions claiming to be true how do I choose the right one?
Judgement.
Credulity is the 8th deadly sin.
My comment appears to have vanished so you're on your own.
Will we ever have a platform where we can say the same things we can say on the public streets?
@@randygault4564 rumble?
Pray for Truth. It may take a year and lots of reading but only 1 God can answer. I could give you a shortcut but often the work needs to be done by you.
@PeggysGiggles Did he not say that finding out truth for ourselves was the problem and we should look to religion to tell us what is true?
Funny, to watch this ‘Commander Data’ was explaining what Star Trek teaches us to be human!
SKIP button
And We have already sent Noah and Abraham and placed in their descendants prophethood and scripture; and among them is he who is guided, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. Then We sent following their footsteps [i.e., traditions] Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allāh. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient. Quran: 57:27-28
Oo, now quote the bit where Jews and Christians are 'the worst of creatures'
I'm not reading a dull book that terrorists live by.
Getting gateway to Christian Nationalism vibes ,maybe it's just me 🤔🤔
this has been brewing up for a long time. this is not good. there's no going back to some imagined eden. non believers can't just flip a switch. there's reasons people don't believe. if the reasons are rational going back is tantamount to becoming unreasonable.
@@jocr1971how wrong you are. History shows huge changes of course in a short time. Progress, the ‘divine principle’ of the chattering class has no more relevance than anything else. Better wake up.
Bring it on, full force, and deliver Attwood’s dream of being suppressed. It won’t be any worse than the sh.t we now wade through daily thanks to you enlightened ‘liberals’. My streets are awash with drugs and homeless. Ever been there yourself? Thought not. Been to war recently, at the behest of the liberal good and great trying to convert the res5 of the world to ‘tolerant’ liberal values? I have, you haven’t. A bit of serious Christian Nationalism would be a nice change, thanks. But then intelligensia like you wouldn’t like the church attendance. Well, you had better choose. Christianity or Islam. Hope you are not gay, the latter could be worse than the former.
i add to my previous comment listening further to this absurd man having to some extent trusted unherd to have partly sane contestants in the past, actually listening to the obvious madness and terribly lacking arguments of this man Unherd must have known and i shall no longer ever again tune in to Unherd as you have an editorial responsibility to dish up actual adult fayre, ALWAYS ... not this utter drivel worse than her favourite witchtok
Love the dialog! Insightful & thoughtful - Dream catchers are fun to make, How are they different then a "saint or icons?" Connecting to our ancestors for native americans is important as long as the hierarchical is the Great Spirut at the top (g-d)Thanks
Indigenous is based, but urban people are devils ;-(
Cristiphor hichens was right
CH only ever said nothing. With style and charisma.
What, about the invasion of Iraq? That pompous rhetorician was wrong on a number of levels, but loved the sound of his own voice. Much like Stephen Fry, who I suspect you also think is a great person.
About Islamophobia ...yes
A culture is a spiritual creation. This man is spewing manure.