This video is a thorough walk through on the Morningstar functionality. Even though the Morningstar can do more the basics of how to traverse the programming are clearly shown. Thank you.
I’ve watched a lot of Morningstar videos and felt I had a pretty good grasp of how I would use it. You sir hit the mark with this one! So clear and it made me rethink my setup. Bravo.
Hey Barak - if you watch what I do with the RC-5, it’s basically the same process but just for the 500. But yeah that is a good shout for an RC-500 / Morningstar tutorial. 👍🏻 I’ll put it on the list. 👍🏻
Thank you for answering in one video what I’ve spent days investigating! The RC-500 can be a marvelously versatile device for those of us who are persistent enough to find a source-you-who can distill and share simple directions from needlessly complex and presumptive manufacturers’ manuals. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! One question: Can the MC-8 control the RC-500’s incremental /variable settings-volume, drum kit, etc? You covered one of the incremental variables, “tempo” in the video. So I’m hopeful there are options. Thanks!
Im going to say this is by far the best tutorial i have seen by far without a doubt on how to use the morningstar midi controller. I want to give you a special thank you because there is almost no content on your with a step by step tutorial on how to use the editor tool and this would have saved me $50.00 an hour to have someone teach me how to use mine. Thank you for this and hopefully more people find this video! Great stuff and i will check to see if you have more in depth content for programming different functions as well as i always like to learn and midi is not my strong suit lol. Awesome stuff man. Im subscribing and a thumbs up just for this one video alone. 👍
Thank you so very much 🙏 I have done a few videos using the MorningStar MC8 and I’m glad my instructions helped you. Was a while ago and they have updated their software and firmware since this video but glad it helps. 👍🏻
Great overview. I think the MC8 is the best MIDI controller I've seen. Incredible features and some real lateral thinking to introduce some of the features they have. I control 16 MIDI pedals with mine
@@JohnPaulMusicUK the two pages of bank 1 are used as a menu with every pedal having at least one dedicated bank. I have a couple of expression pedals plugged into the omniports and a extension switch in one that allows me to one press back to the main menu and single press to the second page
I'd been considering buying this because of its potential, without understanding much about how it works. You really made me understand much more how it works, great explaination, and thank you. Definitely buying this now
Ace.. midi can be daunting but if I’m honest you have a ‘riding a bike’ moment with it and it becomes easier. 👍🏻 A good editor like the morningstar one (and now there’s an app for phones too) is just awesome and makes it easier to break down.
Great video, thank you. I have an MC-8, a RC-500 and a BeatBuddy and have been looking at different ways of connecting them. Now the Morningstar manual says that you can't connect USB device to USB device - has to connect to a host, but didn't you just connect MC-8 to Headrush via USB?
Love your intro. I tried to midi clock control the RC 500 and my Novation Sl MK3 as slave or master with no usable result. Just ordered the Morningstar MC8, do you think there is hope, the Novation plays my Korg Kronos...
Yes there is hope. Just remember that when you program it up, for some reason (don’t know why). Any Boss looper needs 2 commands. One to open, click at 127 and another to close at 0 for the morningstar to control it properly. Hope that makes sense.
Mmmm… that “language” of button events is really useful. I’m currently scripting Augustus Loop as my looper, those names are really clear. I shall be appropriating them.
Was wondering if anyone is able to help me on here please. I'm building up an acoustic set to play live but am pretty new to looping and am a bit rubbish with tech. I'm currently using an FS7 switch with my RC5 Boss pedal, but want a midi pedal that's able to move up and down from one saved memory to another, stop and start a memory, clear a memory and undo / redo a take. I don’t really want anything more than that, so the Morning Star feels a bit like over kill. Has anyone got any suggestions of the type of pedal I’m looking for that could be used with the Boss RC5? Cheers…
Have a look at the Harley Benton MP-100 as a more basic alternative. Doesn’t have half of the features the morningstar does but if you just want simple commands like what you are describing then it should serve you well. Have a look here: thmn.to/thoprod/432459?partner_id=46515
Hi JP my pedal arrived. Really puzzled how to map with loopy pro. No direction in manual. No idea where to begin? Pedal updated in laptop but where do I find the cc info for loopy HD pro? Or do I even need it? Midi learn isn't detecting the pedal? Pls help
Hey Sim. So this is a bit different for the pedal. You need to tell the pedal what CC numbers it is and then loopy pro will recognise it. Think of the pedal having blank CC numbers and you program it up on the laptop.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Any guidance you can give for setting up in loopy pro much appreciated. It's proving challenging. Just want to stop start record. Nothing complex.
Hey dude - love the video but I have a question from an absolute beginner! I have a Bias Mini 300W head (MIDI in/out > accepts and sends CC and PC messages) & a Headrush MX5 Board. How can I use a MIDI controller to do the following for example? 1. Press footswitch 1 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to clean present & activate Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5 2. Press footswitch 2 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to Overdrive preset & deactive Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5
So.. you would set up multiple commands and give them different midi channels. Let’s say you set up so the Amp is Channel 1 and the MX-5 is channel 2. You can press one button and send up to 16 commands at the same time. Look at MorningStar’s RUclips channel and it shows how to send commands to multiple devices at the same time. 👍🏻
Hey JP, thanks a lot for this video! Do you know anything about an upcoming pro-series of midi controllers from Morningstar? There are some rumors going around… Yours Jürgen
@@JohnPaulMusicUK meh most Eu shops sells them at the same price if I were to export it here in EU, including taxes. So i just pulled the trigger and ordered directly from their site and pay the taxes when it comes in. Eu shops have long wait list extending til Feb 2023 🤯
Hi JohnPaul Great info it really helped me a lot. On the RC-5 there is "Pattern" available as a CC# function but when I try to program it on the MC8 I can't seem to get it to cycle through the available rhythm patterns by pressing the switch. Do you have any insight as to how I can make it work? thanks.
@@cevmartin1 the values for patterns are as follows... Simple= 0,1,2,4...Groove=5,6,8,9,10,12,13...Rock=14,15,17,18...Funk=19,21,22,23...Shuffle=24,26,27,28,30...Swing=31,32,34,35,36...Sidestick=37,39,40,41,43...PercusBeat=44,45,47,48...Latin=49,50,52,53...Conga=54,56,57...Bossa=58,59...Samba=61,62...Dance=63,65,66,67. I believe I used CC #85 for all patterns. I also combined some beat patterms on a single switch....like this: Switch I is simple, J is Groove, K is Rock and funk, L is Shuffle and Swing, M is Sidestick and Purcussive, N is Latin and Conga, Bossa,Samba and Dance is O, and Metronome is P....it is I through P because im on page two. page one has other settings on A through H
based on this I just ordered the MC8, so thank you! One thing I cant seem to get a clear answer to is do I need an additional midi-usb host box to connect the MC8 to my nux MG-30 which only has a USB-C for midi in?
Great Video. I have set up the MC8 with the RC-5. but I am at a loss as to settings for increase/decrease tempo, track reverse (and return) and autorecord. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. For increase and decrease tempo did you want it to increase to a specific BPM or did you want to tap tempo? Minus at the top tempo so I can tap a couple of button presses and it will match the BPM and display it on the MC8.With track reverse mine is set so it is only going to reverse when you hold the button down and when you release it it goes back to normal. I haven’t set mine up for auto record could give me some time and I will respond again to this message and find some settings for you. I hope that helps?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi and thank you for the quick response. I set it up for tap tempo and that works fine. I was hoping to use one switch to scroll to lower BPM and another to scroll to higher BPM. For track reverse I would like to set it up the same as you. For auto record, I would like to play rhythm, then have recording start when I begin playing an instrument. Thank you again, Mark
I bought the MC6 based on this video. I had it setup with my RC5 in a few minutes! I almost wish I had more midi things to control with it! Thanks for the info.
Hi Paul, thanks for the videos. I'm trying to sync an Arturia Drumbrute Impact with the RC500, but I can't get it to work. My RC500 is the master, I'm using a 5.5mm mono jack, midi out into clock in on the drumbrute. I've turned midi sync on etc. But it's not working for me. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?
No luck unfortunately. I guess when I change the tempo on the drumbrute the tempo should change on the rc500, right? Do you think I need to change any settings? :-/
Probably not. I’m using a TRS cable that’s from a camera and mine works fine but I don’t sync with Drumbrute. I’ll have a look at settings and see if there is anything you need. Have you set the midi channel to all / omni or are you specifying which channel is being used?
wow, great video. I've noticed you used the morningstar pedal to control 'stop and play'. but can it be programmed to 'stop and play/start' a sequence? play/start meaning start the sequence from the beginning of the song without any latency? let's say, I hit 'switch A' and the sequence stops and resets. when I hit 'switch A' again the sequence starts from the first bar/beat/clock.
I suppose you could program this up, yes. You would need multiple commands on the same switch but the Morningstar can handle up-to 16 commands per switch.. so you would have to play around with how to do it’s But don’t see why not! 👍🏻
Another great video JP. I've tried to follow your steps to get the Tempo to work with my RC-5 but I cant get the RC-5 to change tempo. My MC8 is configured the same as yours (with Tap Tempo set via 'MIDI Clock TAP') and my RC-5 Sync Clock is set to 'Auto' but nothing happens. Any idea what I might be doing wrong please?
Hey Chris. oooh thats weird. Are you on the most recent firmware for both? also be aware that you dont need a second command on the MC8 for the 'off' with midi clock. check if you have that or not but if its setup the same as mine, i'm a bit stumped.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi JP. After speaking to Morningstar I managed to get it working. The issue was I had both MIDI-In and MIDI-Out connected to my MC8 in a MIDI loop. The issue was the MC8 clock was stopping because the MC8 was receiving an incoming MIDI clock signal from my Strymon pedals. To fix this I had to 1. Turn on Ignore MIDI Clock and 2. Turn off MIDI Thru on the MC8
Very informative, I have been looking at these for the rc500, they seem overkill for my needs, would you recommend a melo audio midi controller for the rc500, not sure I’d use a tenth of what the Morningstar can do for just my looper pedal Thanks
@@JohnPaulMusicUK no doubt, just don’t see the point for my use in spending that much if the melo audio one controls and expands the rc500 which for now would be the only reason I need a midi foot controller, that’s obviously a big IF the melo does that
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Really ?? Cool. I want to quickly save settings when I find a nice sound with Meris pedals, without having to buy their midi I/O and spend money unnecessarily. I wanted to understand how easy it was to save the settings, for this point.. Which app are you talking to me about :))? I'm curious..
Can you tell me what I need to connect more than 4 midi compatible pedals with trs outs like Meris? A midi thru box coming from the standard midi out on the mc8?
Yes a midi thru, disaster area designs has one called the “Midi box 4”. So the 5-pin midi out on your MC8 would go into the ‘Midi box’ and that converts it into 4 TRS midi outputs, just make sure you get the Midi channels correct. So with the midi box by disaster area designs, you essentially have 8 TRS midi outputs with your MC8!
Hey! Super random question. Getting the MC8 (or any Morningstar products) in the UK seems to be a bit of a challenge. If you are based in the UK, did you ship yours in from the states? Did you pay any duties on bringing it in? Thanks!
Hey Stuart 👋 Morningstar shipped mine to me directly for review and was not an issue but that was last year. Have you tried reaching out to Morningstar to see what they can do? They are very helpful over there. 👍🏻
MIDI is an Industry Standard for a reason and why it's still included on most Equipment that utilises it's communication protocol, which is set in stone by most. Yes there are a few companies that don't follow the protocol but always a way to revert/change to the Standard. There's a Standard list of functions for Midi and only 16 Channels, it's not rocket science and your claim it's a pain and loads of companies use it differently is just wrong. What your doing is creating a false issue to seem like the product is the solution and that is just a sales pitch! Or of course you just don't know anything about it....
Fair enough John. I honestly get emails, weekly now, about how to sync midi and how to use midi and it can be very daunting and confusing for people who have never used it, don’t use it and understand it. Telling effects pedal to play bucket to each other isn’t the easiest. I have used it for years and personally think its a pain in the arse due to the lack of conformity.. especially when things don’t work the way you expect. That’s where I’m coming from and yes MorningStar is a solution with really well thought out software which makes it easy, sales pitch or not. I appreciate your comment and for people who understand midi like yourself John, then that’s fair enough.
I would've been impressed with your comment, but after throwing an insult in the end I've come to the conclusion your just a douche. At least he produced a good review.
Hey 👋 If you are referring to the Boss pedals, it s Rec/play button, just like to the unit so,yeah there is no Overdub button but if you se the unit (RC-5 or RC-500) to record or overdub when you hit the button, then the Morningstar will do the same thing. Hope that helps.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi, yes I am talking about the boss rc-5. I was able to set up one of the cc messages to do stop/play which on an empty track triggers also record. How do you trigger overdub? Does this make sense?
Yes. So with the RC-5 there is no ‘overdub’ button per say, you can have an external pedal like an FS5/6/7 as “R/P/S/C” (record/play/stop/clear) or for midi commands you can have one of the CC assigns simply as ‘Rec Action’ and that should toggle record on and off. 👍🏻 Hope that helps.
thanks @@JohnPaulMusicUK , so basically if I assign via MIDI a 'Rec Action' and toggle record on, to the start recording do I also need to call the midi message Stop Play to actually start recording?
Software really is eating the world isn’t it? In theory, you could build a software adaptor between any MIDI controller and make it as capable as the MC8, but the faff of implementing that is a complete PITA compared to having a pedal that already does it.
Exactly - a few years ago I looked into building a Bluetooth floor pedal that had 12 buttons with a raspberry I Bluetooth LE module to have more control wirelessly for Loopy HD - most would only have up to 4 for some reason and no more.. skip forward a few years and they are everywhere and have much better user experiences and software compatibility than I could ever build!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK And it’s probably more or less the kind of thing you were thinking of building internally. I bet the Bill of Materials comes up a very small fraction of the retail cost, but the software experience is so good you don’t begrudge them the money. And a BoM never takes into account the value of your own time building the thing. Time that would be better spent learning to work with the instruments and loopers you’re controlling anyway. And now I’m wondering how hard it would be to build a Bluetooth LE Midi Repeater in something like the Blue Icicle format that you could plug into one of the Omni ports on the MC8. Assuming one doesn’t already exist.
Well got to say, this video has really helped me, thank you John Paul! I’ve largely followed your set up on RC-5, apart from set up rhythm variation A/B as a simple press rather than hold down (using toggle mode on MC8, with position 1 - A, and position 2 - B). The only thing I’m struggling with is being able to set up an overdub on the Morningstar, currently having to use actual looper pedal for this?
Hey 👋 Ooh so an overdub would be a record option.. like duplicating the RC-5 pedal itself. Yeah I would stick to using the actual loop pedal.. but if you just wanted to use the Morningstar, then it would be a copy of what the pedal does. 👍🏼
I’ve been enjoying your work John! I’m considering getting an MC8 to go with my RC600, because why not! Looks like it can do a lot. I’m very curious about whether individual rc600 effects can be controlled with the mc8, would be interested to see a video of you doing this at some point down the line 😊 keep up the great work!
Yes it can.. but you might want to see this video - cause you can program the the RC-600 up for lots of different things on one memory. ruclips.net/video/qhKXUEBp6rA/видео.html
In an effort to be entertaining and maintain people’s attention you lost my attention. Too many zoom in, zoom out, jump cuts, graphics. Slow down if you really want to explain how the device works.
Thanks again JP, super useful stuff for us loopers. Appreciate the shout out and your clear instructions as ever. Awesome!
You are more than welcome mate 👍🏻
This video is a thorough walk through on the Morningstar functionality. Even though the Morningstar can do more the basics of how to traverse the programming are clearly shown.
Thank you.
More than welcome 🙏
I’ve watched a lot of Morningstar videos and felt I had a pretty good grasp of how I would use it. You sir hit the mark with this one! So clear and it made me rethink my setup. Bravo.
Hey Sean 👋
That’s great to know. Curious what you are rethinking about your setup. 👍🏻
John loving your videos,
Can you do a tutorial of how to set up an MC-8 with the Boss RC 500?
Hey Barak - if you watch what I do with the RC-5, it’s basically the same process but just for the 500.
But yeah that is a good shout for an RC-500 / Morningstar tutorial. 👍🏻
I’ll put it on the list. 👍🏻
Thank you for answering in one video what I’ve spent days investigating! The RC-500 can be a marvelously versatile device for those of us who are persistent enough to find a source-you-who can distill and share simple directions from needlessly complex and presumptive manufacturers’ manuals. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! One question: Can the MC-8 control the RC-500’s incremental /variable settings-volume, drum kit, etc? You covered one of the incremental variables, “tempo” in the video. So I’m hopeful there are options. Thanks!
Im going to say this is by far the best tutorial i have seen by far without a doubt on how to use the morningstar midi controller. I want to give you a special thank you because there is almost no content on your with a step by step tutorial on how to use the editor tool and this would have saved me $50.00 an hour to have someone teach me how to use mine. Thank you for this and hopefully more people find this video! Great stuff and i will check to see if you have more in depth content for programming different functions as well as i always like to learn and midi is not my strong suit lol. Awesome stuff man. Im subscribing and a thumbs up just for this one video alone. 👍
Thank you so very much 🙏
I have done a few videos using the MorningStar MC8 and I’m glad my instructions helped you. Was a while ago and they have updated their software and firmware since this video but glad it helps. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK for sure if you still use it an have time to do another recap tutorial that would be awesome will definitely get a 👍 from me
Great overview. I think the MC8 is the best MIDI controller I've seen. Incredible features and some real lateral thinking to introduce some of the features they have. I control 16 MIDI pedals with mine
Wow! 16 midi pedals at once? That’s impressive!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK the two pages of bank 1 are used as a menu with every pedal having at least one dedicated bank. I have a couple of expression pedals plugged into the omniports and a extension switch in one that allows me to one press back to the main menu and single press to the second page
Excellent vid - many thanks!
More than welcome 🙏
I'd been considering buying this because of its potential, without understanding much about how it works. You really made me understand much more how it works, great explaination, and thank you. Definitely buying this now
Glad I could help!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK you got a new subscriber from here!
Thank you 🙏
Awesome info. A wealth of gratitude. Looks like this is the route I’ll use with my RC 5. My first dive into midi, this video encouraged me.
Ace.. midi can be daunting but if I’m honest you have a ‘riding a bike’ moment with it and it becomes easier. 👍🏻
A good editor like the morningstar one (and now there’s an app for phones too) is just awesome and makes it easier to break down.
Great tutorial, just had an MC8 delivered today. Needed some advice on how to program it, this is perfect.
Awww great.
Additionally, since recording this the midi dictionary that MorningStar have is heavily updated. Certainly go through that as well. 👍🏻
Great video, thank you. I have an MC-8, a RC-500 and a BeatBuddy and have been looking at different ways of connecting them. Now the Morningstar manual says that you can't connect USB device to USB device - has to connect to a host, but didn't you just connect MC-8 to Headrush via USB?
I bought the rc 500 few months ago I’m still trying to learn it and there you come with another video 😂
Hope you enjoy it! - in fact.. heres all the videos I've done on it so far. ruclips.net/p/PLO36LpORUSaa2hQEKtoW-FyuhOBCwlfRs
Enjoy!
JohnPaul Music UK I enjoy the pedal yes love it I just have to master it I only learn some basic stuff so far thanks for your videos
You are welcome. 👍🏻
Love your intro.
I tried to midi clock control the RC 500 and my Novation Sl MK3 as slave or master with no usable result.
Just ordered the Morningstar MC8, do you think there is hope, the Novation plays my Korg Kronos...
Yes there is hope.
Just remember that when you program it up, for some reason (don’t know why). Any Boss looper needs 2 commands. One to open, click at 127 and another to close at 0 for the morningstar to control it properly. Hope that makes sense.
Ow my brain. Saving video. Subscribed.
Haha 😂
I know right.. and I didn’t even scratch the surface of what’s possible with this thing!
Thanks for the sub! 🙏
Mmmm… that “language” of button events is really useful. I’m currently scripting Augustus Loop as my looper, those names are really clear. I shall be appropriating them.
Nice! Hehe
Was wondering if anyone is able to help me on here please. I'm building up an acoustic set to play live but am pretty new to looping and am a bit rubbish with tech. I'm currently using an FS7 switch with my RC5 Boss pedal, but want a midi pedal that's able to move up and down from one saved memory to another, stop and start a memory, clear a memory and undo / redo a take. I don’t really want anything more than that, so the Morning Star feels a bit like over kill. Has anyone got any suggestions of the type of pedal I’m looking for that could be used with the Boss RC5? Cheers…
Have a look at the Harley Benton MP-100 as a more basic alternative. Doesn’t have half of the features the morningstar does but if you just want simple commands like what you are describing then it should serve you well.
Have a look here: thmn.to/thoprod/432459?partner_id=46515
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I'll take a look now... Thanks a lot, much appreciated!
I need this. I use my old gt 100 just as a midi controller.
That creative! 👍🏻
Yeah the MorningStar’s are epic!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Cant use all the buttons though. 😁
Hi JP my pedal arrived. Really puzzled how to map with loopy pro. No direction in manual. No idea where to begin? Pedal updated in laptop but where do I find the cc info for loopy HD pro? Or do I even need it? Midi learn isn't detecting the pedal? Pls help
Hey Sim.
So this is a bit different for the pedal. You need to tell the pedal what CC numbers it is and then loopy pro will recognise it. Think of the pedal having blank CC numbers and you program it up on the laptop.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Any guidance you can give for setting up in loopy pro much appreciated. It's proving challenging. Just want to stop start record. Nothing complex.
super informative and well explained, thank you!
More than welcome 🙏
Hey dude - love the video but I have a question from an absolute beginner!
I have a Bias Mini 300W head (MIDI in/out > accepts and sends CC and PC messages) & a Headrush MX5 Board.
How can I use a MIDI controller to do the following for example?
1. Press footswitch 1 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to clean present & activate Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5
2. Press footswitch 2 on the midi controller > Change Bias Mini to Overdrive preset & deactive Chorus+Delay on Headrush MX5
So.. you would set up multiple commands and give them different midi channels. Let’s say you set up so the Amp is Channel 1 and the MX-5 is channel 2.
You can press one button and send up to 16 commands at the same time.
Look at MorningStar’s RUclips channel and it shows how to send commands to multiple devices at the same time. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hey man! Thanks so much - don't suppose you could DM me a link?
great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey JP, thanks a lot for this video! Do you know anything about an upcoming pro-series of midi controllers from Morningstar? There are some rumors going around…
Yours
Jürgen
Oooh no I don’t but I will now be emailing them! Hehe.
JP where have you gotten yours? Its hard to come by on EU or even UK music shops. Shipping it from US gets taxed a lot...🤣
Yeah I have noticed this.. Thomann and Reverb are my two main places (links in the descriptions) but it is a round 6-8weeks atm.. unsure why?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK meh most Eu shops sells them at the same price if I were to export it here in EU, including taxes. So i just pulled the trigger and ordered directly from their site and pay the taxes when it comes in.
Eu shops have long wait list extending til Feb 2023 🤯
Hi JohnPaul Great info it really helped me a lot. On the RC-5 there is "Pattern" available as a CC# function but when I try to program it on the MC8 I can't seem to get it to cycle through the available rhythm patterns by pressing the switch. Do you have any insight as to how I can make it work? thanks.
Hi Damon. Did you manage to get this working? I'm having the same trouble getting it to work correctly. Thanks, Chris.
@@cevmartin1 the values for patterns are as follows... Simple= 0,1,2,4...Groove=5,6,8,9,10,12,13...Rock=14,15,17,18...Funk=19,21,22,23...Shuffle=24,26,27,28,30...Swing=31,32,34,35,36...Sidestick=37,39,40,41,43...PercusBeat=44,45,47,48...Latin=49,50,52,53...Conga=54,56,57...Bossa=58,59...Samba=61,62...Dance=63,65,66,67.
I believe I used CC #85 for all patterns. I also combined some beat patterms on a single switch....like this: Switch I is simple, J is Groove, K is Rock and funk, L is Shuffle and Swing, M is Sidestick and Purcussive, N is Latin and Conga, Bossa,Samba and Dance is O, and Metronome is P....it is I through P because im on page two. page one has other settings on A through H
This is gold Damon. Well done! 🙏
Just came across this. I have to ask... can the Morningstar control older MIDI-capable systems such as Voodoo Labs (both rack and pedalboard) loopers?
Yes. Has traditional 5 pin midi and can control through USB as well.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Thank you. I thought it might, but never had a Morningstar, couldn't be sure.
based on this I just ordered the MC8, so thank you! One thing I cant seem to get a clear answer to is do I need an additional midi-usb host box to connect the MC8 to my nux MG-30 which only has a USB-C for midi in?
No. If you can get a USB-C to USB-B cable then it should supply powder and midi. 👍🏼
I use this: geni.us/UGreenUSB-B2C-2M
@@JohnPaulMusicUK nope, according to MorningStar I do need a midi host.
Oh damn.. so the Nux MG-30 doesn’t do midi out on the USB-C? That’s kinda weird.
Sorry for the wrong info there dude. 😞
Great Video. I have set up the MC8 with the RC-5. but I am at a loss as to settings for increase/decrease tempo, track reverse (and return) and autorecord. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you. For increase and decrease tempo did you want it to increase to a specific BPM or did you want to tap tempo? Minus at the top tempo so I can tap a couple of button presses and it will match the BPM and display it on the MC8.With track reverse mine is set so it is only going to reverse when you hold the button down and when you release it it goes back to normal. I haven’t set mine up for auto record could give me some time and I will respond again to this message and find some settings for you. I hope that helps?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi and thank you for the quick response. I set it up for tap tempo and that works fine. I was hoping to use one switch to scroll to lower BPM and another to scroll to higher BPM.
For track reverse I would like to set it up the same as you. For auto record, I would like to play rhythm, then have recording start when I begin playing an instrument.
Thank you again, Mark
I bought the MC6 based on this video. I had it setup with my RC5 in a few minutes! I almost wish I had more midi things to control with it! Thanks for the info.
Hi Paul, thanks for the videos. I'm trying to sync an Arturia Drumbrute Impact with the RC500, but I can't get it to work. My RC500 is the master, I'm using a 5.5mm mono jack, midi out into clock in on the drumbrute. I've turned midi sync on etc. But it's not working for me. Do you know what I'm doing wrong?
Have you tried making the Drumbrute the master?
@@JohnPaulMusicUK I haven't I thought the rc500 had to be the master. I'll try it again and report back. Thank you.
No luck unfortunately. I guess when I change the tempo on the drumbrute the tempo should change on the rc500, right? Do you think I need to change any settings? :-/
DO you think it could be a cable issue? I am trying it with a trs cable. Maybe I need to get the boss trs A midi cable?
Probably not. I’m using a TRS cable that’s from a camera and mine works fine but I don’t sync with Drumbrute.
I’ll have a look at settings and see if there is anything you need.
Have you set the midi channel to all / omni or are you specifying which channel is being used?
wow, great video. I've noticed you used the morningstar pedal to control 'stop and play'. but can it be programmed to 'stop and play/start' a sequence? play/start meaning start the sequence from the beginning of the song without any latency? let's say, I hit 'switch A' and the sequence stops and resets. when I hit 'switch A' again the sequence starts from the first bar/beat/clock.
I suppose you could program this up, yes. You would need multiple commands on the same switch but the Morningstar can handle up-to 16 commands per switch.. so you would have to play around with how to do it’s
But don’t see why not! 👍🏻
Another great video JP. I've tried to follow your steps to get the Tempo to work with my RC-5 but I cant get the RC-5 to change tempo. My MC8 is configured the same as yours (with Tap Tempo set via 'MIDI Clock TAP') and my RC-5 Sync Clock is set to 'Auto' but nothing happens. Any idea what I might be doing wrong please?
Hey Chris.
oooh thats weird. Are you on the most recent firmware for both? also be aware that you dont need a second command on the MC8 for the 'off' with midi clock. check if you have that or not but if its setup the same as mine, i'm a bit stumped.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi JP. After speaking to Morningstar I managed to get it working. The issue was I had both MIDI-In and MIDI-Out connected to my MC8 in a MIDI loop. The issue was the MC8 clock was stopping because the MC8 was receiving an incoming MIDI clock signal from my Strymon pedals. To fix this I had to 1. Turn on Ignore MIDI Clock and 2. Turn off MIDI Thru on the MC8
Very informative, I have been looking at these for the rc500, they seem overkill for my needs, would you recommend a melo audio midi controller for the rc500, not sure I’d use a tenth of what the Morningstar can do for just my looper pedal
Thanks
They are amazing but yes it’s down to how you use it.
Still thinking of a way to use the midi wave generator.. 🤔
@@JohnPaulMusicUK no doubt, just don’t see the point for my use in spending that much if the melo audio one controls and expands the rc500 which for now would be the only reason I need a midi foot controller, that’s obviously a big IF the melo does that
Thanks JP. Is it easy to save pedal settings on morningstar ?? Can he receive midi information and save it or can he just send it?
Yes. They now even connect with an app! It’s brilliantly easy!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Really ?? Cool.
I want to quickly save settings when I find a nice sound with Meris pedals, without having to buy their midi I/O and spend money unnecessarily.
I wanted to understand how easy it was to save the settings, for this point..
Which app are you talking to me about :))?
I'm curious..
can you select various pedals, let's say like 7, and change presets for each?
Yes! It’s incredibly versatile!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK really I've been looking to do just that this SA Soleman is crap!
Can you tell me what I need to connect more than 4 midi compatible pedals with trs outs like Meris? A midi thru box coming from the standard midi out on the mc8?
Have a look at Morningstar’s ML5 Midi switcher - www.morningstarfx.com/ml5
Yes a midi thru, disaster area designs has one called the “Midi box 4”. So the 5-pin midi out on your MC8 would go into the ‘Midi box’ and that converts it into 4 TRS midi outputs, just make sure you get the Midi channels correct. So with the midi box by disaster area designs, you essentially have 8 TRS midi outputs with your MC8!
Hey! Super random question. Getting the MC8 (or any Morningstar products) in the UK seems to be a bit of a challenge. If you are based in the UK, did you ship yours in from the states? Did you pay any duties on bringing it in?
Thanks!
Hey Stuart 👋
Morningstar shipped mine to me directly for review and was not an issue but that was last year.
Have you tried reaching out to Morningstar to see what they can do? They are very helpful over there. 👍🏻
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Will definitely give it a go! Thanks for the response.
ThorpyFX based in the UK sell it!
MIDI is an Industry Standard for a reason and why it's still included on most Equipment that utilises it's communication protocol, which is set in stone by most. Yes there are a few companies that don't follow the protocol but always a way to revert/change to the Standard. There's a Standard list of functions for Midi and only 16 Channels, it's not rocket science and your claim it's a pain and loads of companies use it differently is just wrong. What your doing is creating a false issue to seem like the product is the solution and that is just a sales pitch! Or of course you just don't know anything about it....
Fair enough John.
I honestly get emails, weekly now, about how to sync midi and how to use midi and it can be very daunting and confusing for people who have never used it, don’t use it and understand it. Telling effects pedal to play bucket to each other isn’t the easiest. I have used it for years and personally think its a pain in the arse due to the lack of conformity.. especially when things don’t work the way you expect. That’s where I’m coming from and yes MorningStar is a solution with really well thought out software which makes it easy, sales pitch or not. I appreciate your comment and for people who understand midi like yourself John, then that’s fair enough.
I would've been impressed with your comment, but after throwing an insult in the end I've come to the conclusion your just a douche. At least he produced a good review.
Is it true that there is not a way to send a MIDI message to overdub??
Hey 👋
If you are referring to the Boss pedals, it s Rec/play button, just like to the unit so,yeah there is no Overdub button but if you se the unit (RC-5 or RC-500) to record or overdub when you hit the button, then the Morningstar will do the same thing. Hope that helps.
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Hi, yes I am talking about the boss rc-5. I was able to set up one of the cc messages to do stop/play which on an empty track triggers also record. How do you trigger overdub? Does this make sense?
Yes. So with the RC-5 there is no ‘overdub’ button per say, you can have an external pedal like an FS5/6/7 as “R/P/S/C” (record/play/stop/clear) or for midi commands you can have one of the CC assigns simply as ‘Rec Action’ and that should toggle record on and off. 👍🏻
Hope that helps.
thanks @@JohnPaulMusicUK , so basically if I assign via MIDI a 'Rec Action' and toggle record on, to the start recording do I also need to call the midi message Stop Play to actually start recording?
On my Morningstar I have to send an ‘on’ and ‘off’ message (2 commands, on = 127 and off = 0) hope that makes sense.
Software really is eating the world isn’t it? In theory, you could build a software adaptor between any MIDI controller and make it as capable as the MC8, but the faff of implementing that is a complete PITA compared to having a pedal that already does it.
Exactly - a few years ago I looked into building a Bluetooth floor pedal that had 12 buttons with a raspberry I Bluetooth LE module to have more control wirelessly for Loopy HD - most would only have up to 4 for some reason and no more.. skip forward a few years and they are everywhere and have much better user experiences and software compatibility than I could ever build!
@@JohnPaulMusicUK And it’s probably more or less the kind of thing you were thinking of building internally. I bet the Bill of Materials comes up a very small fraction of the retail cost, but the software experience is so good you don’t begrudge them the money. And a BoM never takes into account the value of your own time building the thing. Time that would be better spent learning to work with the instruments and loopers you’re controlling anyway.
And now I’m wondering how hard it would be to build a Bluetooth LE Midi Repeater in something like the Blue Icicle format that you could plug into one of the Omni ports on the MC8. Assuming one doesn’t already exist.
Well got to say, this video has really helped me, thank you John Paul! I’ve largely followed your set up on RC-5, apart from set up rhythm variation A/B as a simple press rather than hold down (using toggle mode on MC8, with position 1 - A, and position 2 - B). The only thing I’m struggling with is being able to set up an overdub on the Morningstar, currently having to use actual looper pedal for this?
Hey 👋
Ooh so an overdub would be a record option.. like duplicating the RC-5 pedal itself. Yeah I would stick to using the actual loop pedal.. but if you just wanted to use the Morningstar, then it would be a copy of what the pedal does. 👍🏼
Can you change channels and master switches in a Dsl40cr with it?
That depends. Does the DSL40CR have the capability of midi in and out? Then maybe.
I’ve been enjoying your work John! I’m considering getting an MC8 to go with my RC600, because why not! Looks like it can do a lot. I’m very curious about whether individual rc600 effects can be controlled with the mc8, would be interested to see a video of you doing this at some point down the line 😊 keep up the great work!
Yes it can.. but you might want to see this video - cause you can program the the RC-600 up for lots of different things on one memory.
ruclips.net/video/qhKXUEBp6rA/видео.html
@@JohnPaulMusicUK Cheers! I'll check out that video :)
In an effort to be entertaining and maintain people’s attention you lost my attention. Too many zoom in, zoom out, jump cuts, graphics. Slow down if you really want to explain how the device works.
That’s fair enough. Thank you for the feedback. I’ll take that on board. 👍🏻 😊