How realistic is medieval Spain in Crusader Kings 3?
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- Опубликовано: 26 янв 2023
- High medieval Iberia saw plenty of brotherly feuds, murderous schemes, frustratingly indecisive wars and complex inheritance disputes, so it is not surprising that this part of the map is portrayed very well in a game that is famous for all these dynamics.
We decided to dig a bit deeper, looking at the history of the characters depicted in the game. Be it Ferdinand the Great or the famous El Cid, Crusader Kings III's depiction of medieval Iberia hints to uncountable fascinating stories of the past.
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The actual problem with the Iberian peninsula in CK2 and CK3 is the lack of fuero mechanics that could represent more realistically the way the Reconquista worked. Instead of willy nilly giving land to big vassals, the newly taken muslim fiefdoms were given to peasants and local elected councils, who in turn gave military suppor to the crown and raided and counter-raided the enemy (besides getting a much more lax taxation). So instead of being forced to give your land away to counts, it should be minor mayors and city-focused governments the ones acting down there, but alas, not easy to represent in vanilla at all.
Have you tried the Iberia DLC? It adds a pretty great "struggle" mechanic to the region.
@@Emanon... The Iberia DLC is good, but it still lacks settlement mechanics needed to correctly represent how the Reconquista worked.
In the christian frontier government and society should be centered around free, "knighted" landowners (caballeros villanos), semi-democratic city councils and settled farmers, with maybe one or two big vassals, but the later not as relevant as the other frontier populations.
@@Emanon... Thinking seriously about it, a system similar to the merchant republics in CK2 would help quite a lot representing the struggles of the rising, "commoner" landowning dynasties of the spanish frontier.
@@siruristtheturtle1289 Also, the mozarabic religion Is badly represented in my opinion, i wish they add different rites of the same faith without making them different faith with the same leader
@@siruristtheturtle1289 you can create republics by granting counties to mayors, just fyi. they give more tax and less levies. and their inheritance is elected.
I can't understand how Paradox made a medieval Iberian DLC and completely excluded Galician-Portuguese lyric, the most prestigious poems of the time in Iberia, which kings themselves wrote, from Portugal to Castille and beyond
They did include the lyrics. It's a cultural identity that you can get if you reform castellian or any of the other cultures native to Spain. And it gives some VERY OP poems that you can put in your royal court. I actually think Galician and Portuguese start off with it at the start. (Well Galician does, since Portuguese doesn't exist in ck3 unless you form it through a decision)
@@samuellennon1984 That's not the base game my friend, it's from a mod I love to death, RICE. RICE included the lyrics
RICE adds the galician portuguese lyrics as a cultural reform in their Galicia expansion pack (they have many expansion packs where they develop on regions).
They did what Paradox failed to do and I respect them for their careful research and work done
Fair enough. I've never played unmodded ck3 so I didn't know that
Excellent breakdown of this scenario. I mastered in medieval history and it's a blast to play this scenario. Would love for ck3 to have a scenario where you could start as the Duque Henrique of Portucale (french nobleman who was granted the title and who was the father of Afonso Henriques the first king of Portugal)
Super interesting, thank you for your input!
They have an achievement in the game where you form Portugal as Duke Nuno II of Portucale, I don't know if he is an ancestor of Afonso or just a prior ruler of the county
@@drewlehtola3726 he's from the Menéndez dinasty and was the last duke of Portucale before the title was destroyed and then granted to Henry 25 years later. Didn't know about that achievement!
@@davidjorge4135 yes it’s called Last Count, First King
@@drewlehtola3726 makes sense since Nuno was the last count of Portucale before the title was extinguished. Interesting achievement will probably try it sometime
The title is a little misleading since you only talk about 1/3 of the peninsula.
El Cid also gets his own achievement if you do some stuff as one of his kids which probably deserves a mention.
the cool third
@@lolihitler4198nah, the other 2/3d was pretty much wiped or left out of most history book because the 1/3d won.
I recently started an Urraca game so this was a really cool video to stumble upon! I didn't think she'd actually have a role in history haha. I murdered Alfonso almost immediately but he managed to bear a little girl in time. While I was taking care of Garcia and becoming queen of Galicia, Sancho somehow died to his wounds from battling against the Basques, so I only had my little niece to worry about. She was smart though and avoided me until she was twelve! After finally getting rid of her I crowned Urraca rightful queen of all three realms as the oldest of the siblings, and then rewarded Elvira's loyalty by marrying her to the king of France :)
That sounds amazing!
You deserve so much more recognition. Amazing videos mate
Thank you!
This channel deserves more views, Im a Fan!
Amazing video!
Hope you continue these ck,3 videos!
Cheers!
Thank you very much!
deserves more views mate, well done.
Thank you man!
I’m very glad to see my countries history seen so well, good video keep it up.
Thank you for your feedback!
Amazing video!
Great video man!
Thanks!
LOVE this kind of video!
Happy to hear that!
You should get the fate of Iberia dlc * I thought you didn't have it because there wasn't an extra 867 start in the menu *
I once played as the Jimena brothers as Alfonso, Sancho conquered me, and García died of consumption a few days into the game lol.
I plotted against Sancho, but also foolishly accepted a duel.
Sancho died in the plot a couple months later and Alfonso from his wounds a little days later hahaha
So I ended up as Urraca, queen of Castilla, Leon and Galicia.
Gosh, those brothers dropped like flies!
love ya videos mate 🙏
Thank you!
You should have included how Alfonso's daughter,
Urraca (not to be confused with her aunt Urraca), was the last Empress/Queen of the Jimenez dynasty to rule Castilla y Leon. After her death the Castilian House of Burgundy (House Ivrea) came into power in Castilla y Leon.
Since one of the other guys mentioned Henry Duke of Portugal (another Burgundian), you could also add that he was the cousin of Raymond of Burgundy (son of Count William of Burgundy) husband of Empress/queen Urraca.
Funny enough after House Ivrea was replaced by the illegitimate bastard branch Trastamara, the dynasty would once again by replaced by another family in Burgundy. This time by the duke of Burgundy, Philip Habsburg.
The real challenge would be getting House Ivrea to the throne 😆.
Personally I play with Sancho and get rid of all the family and punish the Ordoñez family as well.
Love the video - great work - entertaining - interesting - well done. I’d love to see more content
Thank you, means a lot! Working on more already 🤓
As an Age of Empires 2 vet who greatly enjoyed the campaign set in this era, this time piece setting holds a special place in my heart.
I like ur ancient greek intro music
First one to recognise it!
Loved this scenario. Starting as Alphonso, I eventually united all of Iberia well ahead of schedule and without Almohad or Almoravid opposition of note. Only afterward did I realize I had not triggered IRon Man mode, so no achievements for me! lol
Another video, WOO
:-)
Can you do a video on the Taifas at this time too?
I started a playthrough right before watching this, I selected Sancho, my character married the duchess of Tuscany Matilda and had 4 sons. I first invaded and won against my character's brother who was the king of Glacia. After I was preparing for war against the king of Leon but hurried after an assassination attempt from that very king. After which I declared war and won but quickly went to war again so I can get him arrested, during this period, Sancho which while not confirmed since Ironman mode but I believed was assassinated by the former king of Leon, his eldest son became king of Castille along with the next 2 sons becoming the other 2 kings. I then invaded Navarra with a claim I kept as the new Castille king and won, I then found out Glacia was split apart due to a faction ending the kingdom, Alfonso then usurped my character's younger brother's title and became king of Leon again, after which I declared war with Alfonso and my characters brothers and mother Matilda aided me militarily and won the war. This time with charges of holy crimes, I went to war again and this time got Alfonso arrested, after which I forced him in the dungeon, and he died about a month or 2 later in the dungeon. I did some minor wars like using a war to get the former glacian king/younger brother of my current character and aided Matilda of Tuscany in an independence war against the HRE which we won.
1. Marry Mathilda
2.?
3. Profit
Haha
The real problem here is that you cannot force Muslim kingdoms to pay parias to you. While northern christian administration was very feudal-like and inefficient, Muslim state traditions were very alive and, despite the breakdown of the Caliphate, they still functioned at a smaller scale in the taifas. To avoid raid and conquest, Taifa emirs resorted to paying paria taxes to Christian kings, and these parias were one of the biggest reasons for conflict between central powers and smaller nobility. Nobles saw the conquest of the Muslim south as a way to amass wealth and land, while kings (obviously opposing the growth of aristocratic power) also wanted to preserve these cash cows in the South, but they also needed the nobles happy and well, so that they would have an army with which to threaten the emirs (who would not pay the paria tribute otherwise).
Absent the paria tribute, the main cause for peace or conflict in post-year 1000 Iberia is gone.
3:23 one difference from CK2 is that Antso has 5 kids there, while he has 2 in CK3 (in your video, in my game for some reason he starts with no child at all)
There's a setting in game where characters who start of with no children can have two children be generated at the start of the game.
Yeah baby Basque representation Oso ondo!!!!🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
One minor gripe, it shouldn't be a "Medieval Soap Opera" but a "Medieval Telenovela" because y'know, Spanish.
Just a question, in the fame Urraca starts with an incest lovers secret with her liege alfonso, is there any historical precedent for that?
Just rumors that most modern day historians disregard as legendary or fantasy. Rumors that came from Muslim historian Ibn Idari. Perhaps stemming from the fact that she was a very influential woman in Alfonso's court and governing.
Butal video! But you should chech the Fate of iberia DLC it add some nice things and endings to the game
Btw the El Cid series is amazing!
Yes I heard it’s great!
@@historyinbits It's really not, it even has ninja-like parkour assassins... it's quite bad. Not accurate to the Song, not period accurate either (the costumes and production design are not as bad as other Spanish shows, but like many other shows depicting the Middle Ages, they refuse to show correct equipment, clothing or headgear, or even customs, traditions and day to day life, and they go for some kind of fantasy vibe.
Alfonso prevails...Not in my save hehehe. I found being Urraca and murdering Garcia then Sancho, making Alfonso king and Urraca heir...then of course offing your lover/brother to become Queen way to easy, but hilarious.
Your lover/brother? Haha just ck things
@@historyinbits Urraca and Alfonso are always lovers at the start of the game, yah CK things LOL
*too* easy
Your Spanish is really good
i united the spanish thrones with urraca while married to the cid
For some reason I'm glad a game AI can't simulate the turns and counterturns and all the twists that are, seemingly, at the bottom of human nature ;).
Fair point! Haha
All typical game mechanics crusader kings has to offer. I'm pretty sure this would have meant everyone's favourite ck3 pastime. Eugenics.... Lol
nice channel, even though I would like to see more CK2 content instead of CK3 as that game is kinda dry and boring due to lack of flavor and content.
Love the storytelling, but go easy on the accent - it’s too heavy (no fault of yours, it just is) to sound natural.
Just don’t do the fake S sound in Spanish, please… So unnecessary, considering even in Spain they don’t all talk like that. Makes it super-cringe actually
They didn’t speak with a lisp in the Middle Ages until the 1400s. You’re pronunciation is unnecessary
Your videos are very good, but your attempts at pronunciation are terrible; please just pronounce foreign names/places/words naturally. The "s"s and "r"s in particular physically hurt me.
nice!