2023 CVO ROAD GLIDE PROBLEMS AFTER 5,000 Kilometers
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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Bryan has done 5,000ks on his new CVO Harley Davidson Road Glide and his butt will never be the same, we look at the real issues with the new model. This is an honest review - Lets be clear we love it, but it certainly is not perfect and there's work to be done.
Guys any new model will have teething issues...HD will sort this out
It's junk and you got robbed, stop being so happy about it.
It's typical harley they don't give a shit about their customer. They just put it out and don't care if it doesn't work. I had tons of problems with my new 21 stage 4 roadglide and harley didn't give a shit.
@@frankfurther3828 Darmstäder0815, Here. That‘s what they all do today. The more electronics the more robbing. Everyone knows electronics are cheap and the chinese prove it by adding the same functionality into cheap scooters with cheaper displays. Don‘t tell me the displays make the thousands or manufacturers testing. They buy a package - the cheapest option with the most expensive display for the top lines, that‘s all. 3rd world unstructured developers code the crap that marketing is asking right into it without end2end testing and no knowledge, documentation and capacity to remedy, later.
Unreliable Smartphone App software is currently the most reliable electronics package on a Bike by far, aside from Garmin XT2. Even BMW acknowledged that in their new systems, but still struggle to properly integrate it for reliable use.
As long as Dealers don‘t get good quality software releases and access to patches on a weekly basis, nothing will change. The rip-off is with the manufacturers purely focusing on sales and marketing, the dealers try to survive their squeezed position.
They don't sell a stage 4 from factory, that's probably why they didn't give a monkeys hahahahahaha
They don't sell a stage 4 from factory, that's probably why they didn't give a monkeys hahahahahaha
A motorcycle that expensive should be perfect right out the factory door. 😢
A rolex isn‘t perfect, many have issues within weeks, just like any cheaper watch may have, a Leica isn‘t perfect in the same, actually worse way, as japanese mass-build cameras of the higher segment are almost bullet proof, I know no Luxury piece that is perfect as the price indicates. Learned this lesson paying a lot of money for many dream luxury items. Shoes, boots, jackets, whatever you touch, it‘s high-grade material quality insufficiently tested with in some cases luckily good aftermarket service willing to be overkindly and helpful and trying if not struggling to fix it, sometimes at extra ultra-luxurious charges.
Forget that expectation.
Chose proven quality items you understand what they are, how they work and how the quality is applied. Not just by looking how fat the material is, that‘s no quality qualification that‘s just „mass“.
Anyway they‘re all ripping us off, everywhere, that‘s the current root cause of capitalism. Very very rarely you find idealists that serve brutal quality and charge professionally adequately. Good quality for cheap is an unfair expectation ripping off the producer.
@@GiancarloBenzina All true. In the early days of motorcycling Harley-Davidson really did try to create a perfect (for the time) machine. That's why the early company was so successful.
Lmfao come back from La La land browngreen933
@@GiancarloBenzina My Leica is 70s years old and aside from the scratches I have put on it its still perfect. My fathers omega was still perfect after 40 years.
Listen to you guys talk about all the HD issues and then say you love them...reminds me of battered wife syndrome.
Lmao! It’s been in the shop half of the entire time I’ve owned it,,,,,,, but “it’s the best bike I’ve ever owned”. Huh????
Harley culture at it's finest!
My Goldwing doesn't have any of those issues and I sure as heck didn't spend 44k on it! And before I get haters responding, I also own a Harley.
Just bought a Yamaha mt07 love it
2023 goldwing... Can vouch for it... No problems
A honest non-biased review we don’t see that often on RUclips well done Danny.
Unbelievable. My buds and I rode hundreds of miles a day on Shovel Head kick start only rigid frames back in the day and loved it.
You're right. That is completely unbelievable. If you did, you can probably track every foot of it from the solid line of oil that painted the rodes.
Great to see some videos again Danny. Keep em coming. There’s far more support for your channel than there are jealous trolls. Cheers.
You said something that is so true. I can't stand those to give reviews of bikes they only had a few hours and then rave about. To really give a review you need you need to have it for at least 2 or 3 months.
2 or 3mths hey? Well it was sitting in the shop for 5wks waiting for parts so he’s halfway there 🤦♂️
The Road King... It's The Best That Harley Has Out There... 👍😎🇺🇸
And thats why I bought one and never going to sell it for an m8, mate !!
Just look what they did to it in 2023 and 2024, it‘s been cut to the low „special“ only. As a _motor_ cycle I think the Road Kind is the best motorcycle in the world for decades (FLH80 and later non-faired) and for any future to come, given that you replace the shitty shocks and brakes with something decent high load & performance quality (Oehlins, Brembo).
i honestly couldnt sleep after watching this. i just got mine 2 days ago. I knew i shouldnt of bought i KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100% Danny, it’s a tourer! The seat should be like a lounge chair.
Great Vlog BTW. Keep em coming.
Excellent reporting, cannot disagree!
Nice haircut, mate. Great report on the new CVO. Are you planning on keeping us appraised how the saga continues? Good to see you alive and well. Miss you ❤
I got a 2023 FXST last April 2023. had issues at 260-580 miles. I will not go into all of them because I posted my story many times and never got any feed back on YT Except one that someone did not like me posting on the 7 channels I follow. I love my Harley no matter what and I own another bike , a Kawasaki.S I was riding anyhow. this is the first NEW Harley I ever owned, I had 3 older Harleys in 55+ years riding. My opinion is the the bikes built in the Pennsylvania plant during the last 3 years because of the CV pandemic caused a hostile work environment and the workers did not do the best... hard to keep a good work ethic when daily you do not know if you will have your job. I am thankful my dealer has been great with all the warrenty repair work. All in all I still Love this machine. Folks who own the bikes built in those years keep up the warrenty and all will be buttoned up. Stay in the wind
Danny. To skip the engine warninglight. (When you voltage is been low you can already have this kind of nonsens). Push the frontbutton and hold before turn on ignition. Then “Diag” appears. Let loose and press button 3 sec. Then you can jump trough false codes. When you push the button for 3sec when there is a “Y” at some point….you erase the notification (s)….scroll down and when finished turn off ignition! ✅ done!!
Long as you have Kool- Aid straw sipping customers that don’t admit they’re being taken …. Harley will keep thriving.
This is why i stuck to an st with a $20 carplay adapter
Easy to clear codes and proven
Never buy the first new model of anything until they smooth the bugs and recalls out
I bought one of the first ones. Too many issues with the infotainment system that runs the bike. These 2 guys are totally spot on. I just gave up and went to a Roadglide ST at a huge financial loss. The engine, is definitely a sweet spot, no doubt.
Bloody hell that is very sad. Absolutely evil that they made you cop a loss on it.
Stepping into being a test dummy for Harley corporate isn't for everybody.
😂😅👍@@carlbruhn1772
.... the ROAD KING - best bike ever by the MoCo.... rock solid back bone product which delivers .... no hick ups... no stupid ekectronic suprises... a workhorse.... an ICONIC MASTERPIECE ... for which it got discontinued... I am sure, somebody is having the wisdom why that was done
You hit the nail on the head!!!
They discontinued the road king?? We have a 24 road king special available to order in the UK???
@@yanceyboyz The basic Road King is what I believe he was referring to.
@@carlbruhn1772 a road king special is just a road king....in different colours.
@@yanceyboyz sorry, the regular road king was chrome with spoke wheels, it was also about 2 grand cheaper than the special.
Thanks for the honest opinion. The electronics is the biggest reason I didn’t get the new CVO. I work in the IT field. When you use 3rd party electronics you will have issues and Harley is not a computer company. They have to go off what the supplier tells them and most of the time it’s BS. Ride safe my friend
Correct, very much so for all manufacturers, even BMW. Polaris, Honda, all struggle with their incompetent approach to IT technology procuring it on the cheap first with high gloss screens.
Enjoy seeing the MDB content again! I own 23 CVO RG as well and love the bike. The few times that I've connected my phone and CarPlay, I haven't had any problems. I know Harley has released a couple "Amp" updates that fix some bugs but, I'm sure Bryan's shop has already applied these. Couldn't agree more on the seat and can't wait for more after-market options. Also disappointed in how fast (< 200 miles) the heat shield on the rear cylinder started bluing. I read this was because Harley has the bikes running so lean to meet EPA requirements here in the US. The joys of owning a ver 1.0 product I guess.
I could’ve kept watching, spewing it ended, miss you Danny 👍
I was expecting a walk around the RK ... it looks like it's been prettied up and detailed. Let's hope that Danny shows us the RK soon.
50 grand for that????. Fuck that. Id rather have a 2014 road king built up with a sns 143 twin cam hot rod.....id still have money left for the Indian...lol
rather have an Indian
Awesome video and Awesome content can’t wait for the next video Thank’s Daniel
I have a 2019 Road Glide. I love the bike, I HATE the Infotainment system on it.
I most especially loathe Harley from closing off the system to anything but their branded SENA wireless headsets. I had a look at the 2023 CVO demo and noticed right away that the big screen was lagging, slow and clunky. The hardware/software integration on any vehicle is an extreme challenge for manufacturers, Harley had to get this right and missed the target, and I suspect some of their problems for connectivity are complicated by their branding gateways. I hope they work these problems out and will hold off any purchases until they do.
I don’t get why other companies ( Indian and BMW for example) have great technology and you blend with your cell phone and use other features.
They need to step up with this or the younger generations that demand better technology will slowly bypass and eat up Harley
Keep an eye on such stuff, it‘ll never be working. It is the wrong route for manufacturers to build in what they do not understand and are incapable to service just by customer and marketing demand.
Instead they should just offer a in their large consoles an open hole with a smartphone wireless charging protective case holder. Cheap replaceable and big enough for big phones or even small tablets. Provide a APT data interface so engine/bike data available by ODB is formatted to be consumed by apps in the same way like strava reads your bike computer wirelessly reliably. BMW understood that, but again tried to be more proprietary and smart about it and F*** it up in their current generation creating the same struggle, we Polaris and Harley, likely Goldwing Owners, too, have.
Unfortunately on the big console bikes there‘s not much choice, unless police-versions.
I used to have a Lowrider and thought seriously about upgrading to a Roadglide or Streetglide, and possibly a Road King, but price is seriously in the way for me. I went with a 2018 Goldwing Tour that I got at a very good price. It’s a shame that anything as expensive as touring bikes (CVO, Goldwing, K1600, etc) have any quality problems at all. I’m moving to smaller lighter bikes these days.
Truth is John nobody owns a Harley because they're any good, and I own a RK.
I had a big problem with a 2020 Ducati Multistrada 1260 Enduro I bought new. It kept shutting off in 1st/2nd gear when pulling in the clutch. It took 6 months of back-and-forth with the dealership and Ducati North America team, and programmers/engineers had to get involved and make an update for it; something about air/fuel stuff and running too rich, which you could smell. It's a BA bike that I wouldn't trade for the world. Sucks when it happens, but not everything comes out perfect. Ducati hung in there till everything was fixed, which was the important thing.
Honesty is the best policy, no truer words.
Thanks boys!
Why let the bike sit at dealers waiting for parts when the bike is still rideable? I’d be saying gimme a call when the parts arrive
It’s about reassembly and warranty book time. Book time doesn’t account for waiting on parts, so you can reassemble the bike, but the tech won’t get paid to tear it down a 2nd time.
@@InfamousCreep Let’s be honest, it’ll take 30min max for an experienced technician to reassemble, $100 max for round trip is good customer service, but yeah, instead just inconvenience the customer for 5wks
Because if you take it back you are accepting what’s wrong and if it gets worse you may not have a valid warranty claim.
I’d leave it.. it’s taking up space in the workshop, keeps it front of mind. You take it, it’s not a priority anymore.
All bullshit
I have been running the Wilbers on my 2021 RGS for a couple of years now. Best I have ever had (and I have had several different shock set ups). Way easier and practical than my Ohlins.
If you‘re after service and comfort. Oehlins is the worst way to go. They are in expensive commodity to support the highest-end racing department. There, as a racer is where you get their support and the aligned representative shops. That‘s why wilbers, also innovative in racing, focuses more on the mid-range comfort customers, to differentiate. Oehlins won‘t ever and can‘t culturally go that route.
Great to see you back brother!!
Love the Vlog looking forward to many more!!
I picked up the 2023 RG - CVO and have no issues with connection using apple car play.
I paired the headset to the bike and then paired the phone and had no connection issues.
As for the sound, at first I had the same answer of it not being loud but then adjusted the sound in the equalizer settings and really loud and clear even at 120 kms highway speeds.
Yo Danny! Your looking good and fit, man. Good to have your content back!
Good to see you
Back at it Danny. Always make me laugh
Had phone conection problems with my BMW R1250 RT and so did many others......... to many electronics on motorcycles are turning buyers off.
And older bikes with no tech are sought after, and becoming more expensive.
Good to see you back Danny!
All the RKs come with shovels now......great way to end this one. LOL
I'll just go to Bunnings and get a shovel & some Grunt straps.
Love y’all’s honest review! After you spend $$$. Thank you!
Khrome Werks are great slipons, I’ve got a pair and love them.
Just delete the codes and the warning light on your Low Rider ST will go. This happens when you start your engine and the battery is not fully charged. HD main problems is all to do with the Battery..I hate that.
I heard that since 2018 all aussie market Harleys are manufactured in Thailand. If this is true do u think it's affecting the quality of their bikes. Great vlogs Danny. 👍👍
Not true. There are certain models that come through a Thailand warehouse for distribution.
All built with all Chinese parts .
Correct
All Harleys for the Aussie market apart from the CVO and the new 500 and 350( made in China) are made in Thailand its not just a distribution centre.
Most of the parts are not made in USA
There's a shop here in town and he is 71. He's an independent and he's a manufacturer of parts and he rebuilds motors and that's what he always told me r&d is worked out on the customer...😢
2021 BMW GSA 1250.... 3000 miles in and left front indicator stopped working. I found the connector not fully seated. If I start it right away after turning it on... I'll get a head light warning. That is due to not waiting until it fully initializes. Still works, just get a warning. All bikes will have quarks. I love BIKES! KNEES IN THE BREEZE. Harley knows you're going to want new exhaust and seats and other little things. They don't just put that stuff on because they want to support the aftermarket for the bikes and I get it.
This is why I bought a used sportglide that had apes and sundowner seat, crash bar and backrest already on it. Sat on every new harley at the dealership and couldn't believe how uncomfortable they were. Go sit on a Honda goldwing once. I bet you will have second thoughts.
Sportglide is plain sheiet, that‘s why it‘s cheaply available for custom builds.
HD's are the only bikes that you have to replace everything on them to make them almost usable.
@GiancarloBenzina it's a love,hate relationship with Harley in general for me. Not worth the money in my opinion.
Wilbers on my 2006 SG, has transformed the ride.
Have the same model year cvo. Just dropped mine off at the shop with 750 miles on it. Out for a joyride and she went into safe mode. Thankfully wasnt far from home
CVOs are Harley’s bleeding edge so we can expect there to be teething problems. Hopefully Brian’s issues can be fixed with future software updates, and a new seat. At least the VVT is all good! I was thinking that may cause problems for CVO owners down the line (being first iteration and all). Nice to see another MDB video Danny - Always entertaining.
Yes and no, to play R&D for Harley on the Top-Level Bikes, they should discount it by 10 grand. This is not acceptable, even though realistically explainable, as you pointed out. VVT could be really bad, too.
But it‘s obvious on the market that good mechanical history (recent) manufacturers have a good control on that, but they all struggle with the entertainment/navigation electronics and smartphone integration - all of them.
the bags tough, wow, real crap their thinny skinny wobbly flexibility, worse than the panamerica rear handle and screen, that are total crap, too.
We don‘t know if VVT is really all that good. It‘s pretty new - we‘ll see it with 200.000 miles if it‘s any good. If it doesn‘t last that long it diminishes the value of a Harleay Grand American Tourer.
Great to see you back Danny
Sounds like similar issues that I had with my 21 Pan America Special.
Just what I needed to cap my night!
That's my big issue with modern vehicles now - too much technology - too many things to go wrong #goatarmy
New seats are like new boots, you have to live with them for awhile to break them in. 🤔 Everybody wants perfection right out of the box, it doesn't exist. 🤔 I'm always seeing brand new Harley seats in the used stores because nobody has patience anymore. I want the best and I want it now thinking. 😅
The Ultra Limited is the king…best HD you can get better than street glide or road glide and has everything you need for long distance/touring riding….no need for CVO at all….I’m surprised you don’t have one Danny. Anyway just my opinion.
Harley Davidson is the only motorcycle, that has a whole Industry dedicated to fixing everything thats wrong with them ! Amazing
10 second start time ?? You wouldn't want to be robbing a bank , you would have to leave it running !! Just Sayin !!
Not an issue. I don't rob banks.
HAHAHA too funny,,, I sat on the New CVO and said the exact same thing,,, What was Harley thinking when they put that stiff as a board seat on it,,, and the price,,,, not worth the price
I have the khrome werks full exhaust 2 into 2, same tips. Sounds great on my road glide limited.power vision tune with high flow air.
Love small number plate , the Uk ones are like a jet braking parachute. My mate had a electronic issue nightrider, took 3 months to get a new part from us to europe , 💩
A lot of British people migrated to the west island of New Zealand over the years, and it would seem a plausible plan to get away from those huge number plates.
The bigger issue is that with regard to HD’s claim of the CVO line being the very best that it produces (no doubt the most highly priced), it seemingly does not place any additional steps to assure a CVO owner can ride free without issue..at least coming at of the factory. As far as the seat, before dropping a large amount for a new Saddleman, try the Saddleman gel pads. The Wilburs no doubt is a game changer….it totally changes the ride from piss poor to excellent. Thanks for the review. Ride and be safe.
loving me some Million Dollar Bogan content! Keep it coming, Danny!
my 2008 enfield 350 has no electronics at all. its a keeper 🙂
great to see the marine one looking official hope that is what your riding today... stay safe everyone on the run and great weather all the best from WA
Khrome Werks slip ones are great. I have a set on my 22 cvo. They sound great. Hope your bike issues are resolved soon.
Good honest review guys - Never understand why HD don’t talk with the guys from BMW GS if you want the elecs spot on - 5 weeks in the shop ffs - Danny like the new sharp look - knocks 10 years off you 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻 ride safe guys
Because BMW isn‘t perfect either, they‘re full of flaws. The difference is that BMW fixes some, not all issues within the bike series and lesser to the actual bike. Something Harley and Indian mostly don‘t, awaiting a new generation with new features to fix it by using other systems or so many new features to distract from the old problem.
Good video keeping the bludgers honest
Marine 1 is the real deal!
Hey, not a CVO, but I’ve a buddy that has the 2023 street glide ST with a 131 upgrade. He has had his bike in the shop for the same reason for a total of 3 months collectively. (Over 90 days)
Great video Danny!! Thanks
I did the 128 HD Big Bore on my 2017 SGS. Have 25,000 miles riding from coast to coast, from the beaches of the Gulf and Atlantic to the North Cascades in all types of weather (except snow) from temps in the 30's to 110. Solid motor and parts. Only issue is it doesn't like to go slow. City riding stop light to stop light makes way too much heat. F'ng blast to get into the throttle. If I get another touring bike, I would just get a 114, upgrade to a HD torque Stage 2, Fullsac MX exhaust with V&H slip ons, HD Pro & Auto tuner (DYNO tuned), Wilbers or Legend suspension and be good. I can do without the electronics (always problems with fancy electronics).
I would say they did it to save money more than to save weight for sure
Good to see you back
I own this bike and love it, agree with the seat and windshield, waiting for after market items to add just like my other Harley’s. I have no issues with my car play, cardo connection, I just have a sequence that if followed seems to work. Best Harley I’ve owned. Danny - don’t be a typical you tuber, start off with a negative title to get more clicks, Com’on man your better than that! You don’t need the money, lol. 😂
Great to see you back
Great Job with the non bias review ,well done !!So infrequent honesty from a Moto Vloggger Kudo's
Been there done that with the Sportster 1250S but now I have the 2023 Fat Bob. Love it. Harley really needs to step their game for all that money we spend on these bikes.
That's why when something brand new like this comes out...I let the impatient, gotta have it first guys be the guinea pigs to work out all of the bugs and kinks....I'll wait a few years...if I even get one...but thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I get that many people love HD, and I have owned a few, but I was underwhelmed honestly. Then I test rode a 2018 Gold Wing bachelor model and traded my Heritage for one. No regrets. Looking good Danny--you sexy beast! 😎
Watching your friend struggle with backing that bike and thinking that a bike this expensive should have a dang reverse, my Honda does for a lot less money. Thanks for the video
Me too
Harley will get the kinks worked out. Will always be some things here and there with brand new models and designs.
panniers on the old model are strong as all fuck, went for a ride in the adelong hills, my brother hit the skids in front, i swerved clipped the bag, bent my peg back and buggered my ankle. couple chips in the pannier. my bike is a dyna also strong as all fuck.
Add a set of Wilbers LDC Nivomat self levelling suspension and a Corbin Dual Touring saddle and this will be a dream motorcycle, all that will need to be done is then wait till 2025 for HD to have a major update for the electronics!
They are not yet available, just a few more weeks...😉
I'm not big on the CVO fairing. It looks like HD is taking cues from Indian. It should be the other was around!
Harley has customers do their validation, and usually once issues arise, Harley corrects them and offers early adopters an "upgrade kit" at a cost to fix their bike. The new CVO bikes are no different. Never another new Harley for me.
A stereo external and louder pipes, it’s a race for the sounds 😅
My 2022 Streetglide Special needed a new motor after putting 60 miles on it. It ended up being an extra part that was most likely dropped in the top end during manufacturing. Runs like a top now, zero issues just over 10,000 miles.
Please explain
What's to explain, motor was fucked from the factory because there was an extra part bouncing around the motor.
i've got just shy of 7k miles on my CVO and i had to get a new seat from Corbin before i could ride it any kind of long distance, 😆😆
I sold my 2021 CVO after too many problems and replaced it with a Road Guide, only to have that one also break continuously, so I have dumped Harley Davidsons as they are too unreliable for the money you spent. My first bike was $60,000 then the second was $50,000 and got rid of it for $35,000. It's no longer made in the USA but I n Thailand, which is most likely the reason behind it.
“Performance Bagger”
The Road Kings is my favorite big twin.
An old mates problem's started when he bought his new CVO ,he parked it in the yard and got of,it fell and pined him to the fence,the weight of the bike drove the bares into his stomach, ripping them open,he spent 6 months with hospital and rehab, only to sell the CVO as soon as he could for a lighter 117
That yellow light ,is money light for towed. But tell then . It got oil or water in it. You good to go. Ed
My guess is that we are getting to a point where making any modifications to our Harleys will make things unstable. Everything down to changing exhaust (slip ons) etc. Anything not manufactured by Harley will begin to cause issues.
Now anything that IS mfg'd by HD is a problem. F Jochen.
It has been that way since fuel injection. The days of having a tiny plastic tray with a few jets, orings couple springs, and a small screwdriver are over. Self tuning is history.
@@carlbruhn1772 EVO with a Keihin, just ride and ride.
No there’s too much money in the aftermarket products. That won’t happen. The engineers in that space are all about improving the bikes and are banking on guys wanting to customize and upgrade what Harley builds. Most of them make superior products to what HD actually uses and charges you for!
@@Biker_1991the only “aftermarket” / upgrade products that Harley is concerned about is Harley’s products sold in the P&A catalog. Harley has little to no vested interest in the aftermarket.
You need a map to ride from Sydney to Melbourne lol
Just what i needed MDB
2:27 „the worst thing of the bike is the seat“ 👍 I agree 100% 😊 I never had any problems with Harley Stock seats. But this seat on the new CVO is absolute junk!!! Do you have a recommendation for a new seat? Have you changed the sear? What do you think about a Saddlemen Road Sofa?
Hey Mr Danny.. I'll take the Marine 1..I'm not interested in the tv screen setup the fancy bike has, but I know how to operate that shovel 👍🏻👍🏻😎
More videos please danny, you have more followers then trolls
Hello, I have a street glide cvo 2023 and cleared all issues by disabling bluetooth carplay. I only use carplay with the usbc cord. Works as expected afterwards. The only issue is that you don’t have the connection with the Harley app…
For that money - I believe you’re entitled to expect better.
I’ve been looking at buying a Road King Special, I like that it doesn’t have all the electrics.
I’d like to buy one now, but someone said it’s a “carry over” model and a model update is coming - I guess I should wait.
What’s with that haircut Danny….just kidding. Happy to see you posting.
Hair cut is great Danny, look 10 years younger, not that you look old. You look to be back to your good old self.
Merci Danny pour ces informations 🇫🇷
damnit i didnt get a shovel with mine, going to have a talk with my dealer haha