The Borden Killings: Exploring every angle (documentary)
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- The Borden Killings: Exploring every angle (documentary)
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As far as Lizzie telling Bridget to lock the door if she went out, it should also be noted that Lizzie tried to persuade Bridget to go out by telling her about a sale going on at a local store, suggesting it would be a good day to go shopping, but Bridget felt too sick to go anywhere. Lizzie was clearly trying to get Bridget out of the house that day.
I think she also seized the opportunity because her older sister Emma was out of the house. I think Emma covered for Lizzie after the murders but I don't think she was initially involved.
It could also have been lizzie that told her to wash the windows and not Abby.
@@thelmatucker7598 No, Bridget testified it was Abby who told her to wash the windows, and Bridget was seen by neighbors washing windows on the opposite side of the house from where Abby was then murdered; Bridget came in and then let Andrew Borden inside from his walk, and Lizzie told them Abby had gone out and tried to get Bridget to go out for a sale, before giving her permission to go lie down in her attic bedroom. While Bridget was upstairs, Andrew was murdered.
Nothing to say that her uncle John and Lizzy conspire together to murder her parents. They both have motive.
@@brendanfoehr5086 I agree. Also agree Lizzie tried her best to get Bridget out of the way, out of the house.
The stock video of an airplane when it is mentioned that Lizzie traveled, doesn’t seem to fit. Guess they were out of horse and carriage videos.
yeah air planes like that didnt exist lol
Dumb for sure.
Was it a Boeing 737-MAX?
The money they show is also wrong, modern paper money, not the big bills of the 1890s.
Lizzie had the money and freedom to travel anywhere, live anywhere she liked but she chose to live out her life in a town that considered her guilty and was largely treated as an outcast from the remainder of her life. She faced ridicule daily and believes that one day the culprit would be identified.
Late Victorian Americans could not fathom at all the idea that a genteel woman like Lizzie would ever be so unladylike as to weld an ax.
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Let alone a tightly corseted woman and unused to hard physical labor because that's what Bridget was for.
@@linda10989 Poor Bridget, sick and vomiting from being fed rotten meat on a brutally hot summer day, lying down upstairs while everyone's getting axe murdered, then Lizzie's calling her for help, I would be so fuckin tired if I was Bridget lol
@@RoddyPipersCorneas could say the same thing about men, no?
@@RoddyPipersCorneas I mean, women getting away with murder because they’re women is just as anti-feminist as a woman not getting a job because she’s a woman, I’m glad that’s less of a thing (but then again, look at Casey Anthony)
Murders happened on August 4th. Not August 3rd.
A wise man once said, "The only two motives for murder boil down to getting laid or getting paid"
Neither of those apply here....
, actually, getting paid is very relevant here.
I’ve been to the Lizzie Borden house, the house is small, I can’t see how anyone could have snuck into the home. I think Lizzie did it.
B&B now Lol
Wow. That's cool. How big was it.
I grew up in Fall River. In the 70’s, Leary Press was attached to the Borden House. My dad knew the family, so I was always there. The thing that’s most peculiar about the house is that it has no hallways. One room just leads to the next. If it weren’t for Lizzie, we wouldn’t have an Animal Rescue League. Her philanthropy is very much appreciated.
They was real skulls used in court of abbie and Andrew not plaster casts. They boiled the skin off the skull for evidence
The sister looks like a younger Margaret Hamilton(the witch in Wizard of Oz)
Of course it was Lizzie.
Yes, but the Prosecution had to prove it with only circumstantial evidence. The Jury couldn't accept that.
@@pimpompoom93726 Many people are convicted on circumstantial evidence. The jury didn't want to believe an apparently gentile, church-going woman, and a Borden at that, could or would kill her parents so viciously.
I think that you could safely say that Lizzie killed her father and step mother.
I think OJ did it.
You forgot about the killings of 2 children and suicide of their mother after killing her kids on the same property 25 years earlier
You forgot to explain how that’s relevant.
Not positive but wasn't that Andrew's sister or some family member ?
@@aprilcitygirltocountrywife7440 Yes it was a family member of Andrew's. Good comment 👍
I had never heard about that, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Interesting.
I never heard that. Thank you for. Sharing
Electricity in homes was hardly a common convenience in the early 1890s.
The fact that the step mom was killed first and the dad second leaving a clear path for Lizzy and her sister to inherent everything shows a strong motive...the overkill of the victims show a clear hate of the victims a probable indication of someone close to the victims ......speaks volumes dosrnt it...
Good point
But the only thing that doesn't convince me 100% is after she butchered her stepmom why was there no foot or shoe prints??
@@ohwell94 Don't get hung up on that. There wasn't any prints from anyone 😕 and why didn't The maid hear anything? And then return to Ireland never to return. Maybe she was in on it or maybe Uncle John was too who knows? Seems like thier was plots running rampant in that house..maybe the Illigetimate son did it who knows...
@@ohwell94 Same thing is true if anyone else did it.
It wasn't the mutton, it was swordfish the night before that made everyone sick and very few people had electricity.
Yes, it was swordfish. I don't know where the mutton myth came from, but it gets repeated over and over.
Lizzie's inquest testimony was not suppressed because her attorney was not present. This was long before Miranda Laws. It was withheld from the jury, rather, because her doctor had given her morphine to calm her while she was being held in jail and the drug can make your memory unreliable.
Thanks! Well done and thoroughly explained
Thanks a lot for the support, man! 🔥
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Most women who chose murder in that era, were prone to poisons and smothering, not using an axe, I'm not saying women couldn't be capable of violent means of murder, it just was not typical.
I believe that thats still true
Lizzy did like that ax tho
She tried to get some poison but failed.
I believe her uncle killed her father and stepmother. She took the blame knowing she would be acquitted. A woman couldn’t have killed with such force. This case was written by men of that time and seen through the eyes of a man.
Nice observation there@tammyhal
I'm guessing Lizzy killed Abby. John killed Andrew. Emma knew about the plan and Bridget was also aware. John and Bridget collected a cash award for their part.
Question is when did Mrs. Borden inform Lizzy of her leaving the house for the day? Because Mrs. Borden was dead by 9:30am based on body temperature.
By 11am, it sounds like Lizzy is fully informing both Mr. Borden and Bridget she''s aware of Mrs. Borden leaving the house... as if she saw her leave...
There never was any note from someone who was ill, requesting Abby's help. Not only was no note ever found, no one ever stepped forward to say they delivered the note, or they were the person who was ill and needed Abby. Lizzie made all that up so Andrew wouldn't go looking for her and discover her body. If he had, he'd have known what happened.
It all makes less sense when everything is considered. It was Bridget's idea to go and lay down. If she hadn't done so, Andrew Borden couldn't have been killed. Bridget could have easily changed her clothes whilst she was in her room.
Difficult to consider everything. It was also said the uncle acted strangely on his return.
It was also Mrs Borden who sent Bridget out to clean the windows.
I have considered that Bridget could have been angry with mrs Borden because she wasn't well and she had to clean the windows in the hot sun.
She was also getting her water from the basement at the back, near the rear stairs also leading upstairs.
@@carolineleveque478 Bridget was ill that morning. She'd had to go out to the back yard to vomit. She was outside washing the windows when Abby was murdered; there was a witness. So there is no way she killed Abby.
She also had no motive. Being asked to wash the windows does not explain her going into a murderous rage killing, and, as a poor Irish immigrant, she'd have known she'd have been the first to be suspected. Not even a vague motive to kill Andrew.
The rear stairs lead only to her room, and Mr and Mrs Borden's room. There was no way to get to the guest room and Lizzie and Emma's room from the rear stairs.
It wouldn't have been difficult for Lizzie to guess Bridget would have wanted to go up to her room, on the 3rd floor, not being well, and after washing the windows for hours.
The uncle only behaved oddly when he got back to the house, and he had a bulletproof alibi.
8:30 - Mrs. Borden’s room was up the back stairs, and Mrs. Borden was killed in the guest room, which was up the front stairs… so these are two separate areas that aren’t even accessible to each other.
Yeah, we all know Lizzie killed them. for an entertaining depiction of everything said here, I highly recommend the made for TV movie from the late 70s about Lizzie Borden.
The one staring Elzabeth Montgomery? That one was the best version ever.
The thing is we DON'T KNOW, that's what makes the story so compelling after all these years. Many of us strongly suspect she did it, but suspecting and knowing are two different things. I'm 99% certain Lizzie was the murderer, but it would take hard evidence to get that last 1% and none exists.
This is good. A few errors, but having come from watching another that was dramatised to the hilt and riddled with misinformation, this is a welcome relief. Also, you have a great voice.
I mean... Lizzie burning a dress in fhe oven....who does that? Clearly she was burning the dress she murdered them
With all the circumstantial evidence I have always just assume Lizzy was guilty but taking a step back, she was literally the spinster Sunday school teacher who for one day became an ax murderer? She planned sufficiently to not have blood on her, clean up the murder scene and dispose of the murderer weapon. And she accomplished all that in a very short time with the housekeeper in and around the house. I still feel she did it but I have some doubt now
Take a deeper dive. The only mystery is how she cleaned herself off and what became of her bloody clothes and the murder weapon. The timeline that makes her disposal of the murder weapon and bloody clothes so mysterious and is thus seemingly exculpatory also condemns her. Nowadays the forensic evidence to convict her probably would have been found, but in the late 19th century there was not enough to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt. Character evidence is always of limited utility - sure, she purported to be one way publicly, but prior to becoming a family annihilator, people would have described Chris Watts as a loving father, so that sort of argument is almost useless. The Borden house was one full of tension and hostility and distrust, especially toward the stepmother who was attacked most viciously - and “Sunday school teacher” Lizzie was angry, greedy, resentful and hateful.
She was also jealous of step mommy as she was Andrew’s little “Pet”
Definitely Lizzie, she got away murder.
I think Lizzie didn’t do this alone. Just my opinion. Coincidence Emma just happen to go out of town and uncle John shows up unannounced.
how did the sisters help their father with his business. so the doctor tells them they have eaten rotten mutton stew, but yet they still eat it again the following day. abbie was killed at 9:30 and andrew an hour and a bit later in this account bridget would still be downstairs. this isn't well researched
I believe Uncle John did it after he talked to Andrew and found out Abby will get everything.
I think the uncle was involved in some way. Maybe Lizzie covered for him, knowing she wouldn’t get convicted. What I don’t get is why she didn’t leave that town afterword. She was wealthy enough to go anywhere.
Picture of the stepmother Abby is actually Lizzie's real mother that you keep showing.
i think she did it, there is no one else it could have been, but her. but she had a front of being a good Christian woman, even though i did read an article a while ago, where she was suspected of selling from her family. but with her good reputation, no jury of her peers would convict her. they would have known her, and her family, and of her father's way. so couldn't convict her
What about the half brother .. I believe he was illegitimate… he was there ..
@@karawilliamson106I read the book that first laid out that theory many years ago, and the thing that jumped out at me most was the absolute absence of even modestly credible evidence to support it, let alone compelling evidence. It’s a nonsense theory.
The narrator made several mistakes, clearly repeating what others have said. Some of the commenters have done the same thing. Both of you have not done your own research. If you had, you would know better.
Who knows what happened that day……however, I think that if she’d been a poor impoverished young woman from the poorer community, she’d have been found guilty and if not hung, then institutionalised for the rest of her life. Some things never change throughout the centuries, as regarding wealth and power, class hierarchy and the judiciary. ✌🏻
It's not her parents it's her father and her step mother. BIG DIFFERENCE. She chopped TF outta them. Let's be real. She even got that cray cray look in her eyes. Vacant, emotionless.
She does have an evilness about her
Candy Montgomery was able to clean herself up and go to about her day like nothing happened too.
Lizzie did it somebody she knows real well did it and she made a deal with him with her money. Lizzie just couldnt let her stepmother take the money. So somebody had too go, she made a deal with the devil.👹👺👹👺
I stopped listening when I saw the photo at at 2:06 which does NOT depict Lizzie and/or her sister Emma.
We want hard evidence for this case, but only circumstantial evidence exists. Lizzie most probably murdered Abbie and her Father, but the Jury was unwilling to convict a woman based only on circumstantial evidence. Those were different times.
There are quite a few reasons why some people don't cry in sad situations such as thIs. A person was noticed around their house. Btw.
Can you make a video about the strange disappearance of Houma, Louisiana resident A.J. Breaux, and what most likely happened to him? His story has been featured both on Unsolved Mysteries and the now-extinct RUclips channel of Cayleigh Elise.
I'm watching this from houma LA now I'ma look into it
Lol Ok, John Caparulo does a bit ab how he can’t ever pass a show that looks into the Loch Ness monster. He goes “do they ever find anything?! No! Yet I can’t help myself! I’ve gotta watch it.” Lizzie Border is my GD Loch Ness🤭
On her deathbed Lizzy said her boyfriend did it.
Not true.
I think the uncle, elder sister, and lizzy committed this murder.
Poor Ms. Russell. That was the best picture of her? 😢
That Lizzy was such a cut up!
'Lizzy borden had an ax she gave her father 40 wacks, after she notice what she had done she gave her stepmother 41 😮
Still on the fence about her innocence or guilt. I dont think she did it herself. But she could have hired someone. I'm not sure. ❤
I've always thought her Uncle John helped her. He was pissed with Andrew.
She did it.
Thats not lizzie or Emma in that photograph
He gets a lot of things wrong in his vids but mostly is correct and I enjoy the presentation.
seal skin scarf says it all.
I believe Emma and lizzie were in it together...maybe even uncle John too. I find it odd that right after the murders when crowds started to form and John was made aware of the murders, he just casually sat on the backfence eating pears. Emma has to have a hand in it. After all Emma is the one who seriously hated her step mom. I believe they planned it together. Isn't it convenient that the day the murders happened, Emma is away visiting friends. Also back in that time it would've been easy for Emma to come back to the house without being seen. Not like nowadays with cctv everywhere.
Emma was out of town on a two week visit at friends. It wasn't as easy to make quick trips out of town. I think at some point Emma knew but I don't think she was directly involved.
Honestly, her father seemed like a miserable asshole. A literal millionare making them live without basic necesities like electricity and indoor plumbing. She was living in oppresion by her father and the mysoginistic community. She knew what she wanted and did what she needed to get it. She went on to live the life she always wanted. She slayed, literaly and figuratively. 💅
No, she's right. Andrew was so set in not having grown up with indoor plumbing that he thought his own kids should do the same. My own parents are like this. So much in our house needs to be fixed, but they're so set in doing it in really stupid ways that it doesn't even faze them.
Wtf is wrong with you?!?! Killing people because you don't like them and / or want their money is sociopathic and evil. YOU sound like an asshole!
Louis Lee Prince disappearance video. Maybe a circleville letters video too.
Yeah!
The house is small. There is no way that Mrs. Abby Borden's body hit the floor without Bridget hearing the thud while she was cleaning the windows. I also believe that with as many blows that Mrs. Borden sufferred, Bridget should have heard the attack.
My theory is that the murders were planned and that Uncle John, Emma, Lizzie, and Bridget were all aware of and in on the plot.
The only reason we know of the events that took place in the Bordens' home on the eve of and the day of the mutders is because of the accounts that Uncle John, Lizzie, and Bridget gave. That doesn't mean that what they all said happened is truthful. It is also quite possible that the murders took place the night before or eatlier the morning of. After all, forensics were not at all advanced then, and tge cops could only GUESS at the exact time of death. Part of what the cops used to pinpoint deaths were eyewitnesses' accounts. So, it stands to reason that it's because of the timeline the cops were provided that they came up with the times of deaths.
Bridget could absolutely not have heard Abby's murder. The guest room was on the opposite side of the house from where she was washing windows outside. 3rd Street was a busy, bustling street because it was half commercial, half residential, so there were lots of carts, horses, and carriages about. Behind the Borden's was a noisy work yard. And Bridget was seen chatting with the neighbour's maid next to the fence at the far side of the property.
Neither Bridget nor Uncle John had a motive. John was friends with Andrew for 20 years. Unusual, since they were BILs and John's sister, Andrew's first wife, had died 20 years earlier. They liked one another. He had no relationship with Lizzie, but he and Emma wrote one another occasionally.
Andrew was seen that morning by many witnesses, and would have known if Abby was missing.
While forensics was in its infancy, people back then were far more acquainted with the dead and dying than we are, and how they appear. Andrew was still bleeding, so they knew he'd been killed very recently. Abby's blood had congealed, and with other states of her body, they (the doctor and detectives) were able to pinpoint fairly accurately when she died, which was that morning.
Eli benz the pharmacist was called. His testimony was never used at her trial
Because the judge considered the incident to be too remote in time from the time of the murders
Lizzie and Bridget did it together. Bridget killed Abby, with Lizzie as her alibi. Then Lizzie killed Andrew, with Bridget as her alibi.
What’s Bridget’s motive, though?
@@kcbarbo78money. Lizzie paid her off after the trial.
@@SallyMarsso false
@@TammyM36 how the hell do you know? 😂
@@SallyMarsthere is ZERO proof of what you’re claiming. Bridget was the only one who could not stay another night in that house after murders and left. I feel she was terrified.
That makes no sense hacking someone to death there should be blood on the wall behind couch where her father was and how come there wasn't blood in the hallway after killing in the bedroom it had to be somebody in the house
You have basic details wrong such as the date of the murder and they in fact had plumbing. It just did not reach to the bedrooms where they still used slop buckets. They even had working plumbing in the barn. With so many errors in the first couple of minutes alone sorry passing on this one.
Lol "refused to communicate with her until she died"