LASER REVIEW - Future Upgrades & Mods of Chinese Red & Black CNC Co2 Laser Machine off eBay - 80W
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2019
- 80W Chinese Co2 Laser Review - eBay Purchased Co2 Laser Engraving & Cutting Machine. With Info on Some Future Improvements. I’ve had this laser machine for a few months now and have already made a few upgrades as you may have seen in my previous videos.
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A LIST OF UPGRADE PARTS I USED CAN BE FOUND HERE: mwlaser.com.au/upgrades-for-r...
To reduce the noise in my workshop I have recently replaced the extraction fan unit for my Co2 Laser, which was very noisy with a 6" inline fan, it is half as quiet as before, with minimal reduction to extraction capabilities. Defiantly worth the Upgrade. Highly recommended.
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So I want to review how I find the machine performs but mainly discuss, and things I believe need improvement and would like to change.
I’ll start by saying that for the price of this machine approx AUD $3300 it performs well right out of the box with all the budget accessories that it came with. If you have seen the un-boxing video I made when the machine arrived you will see it came with an aquarium pump, exhaust blower and hoses, and a small air pump.
After using this machine for a few months now, I will say that I have not had any issues with any of the accessory pumps and fans. They do what they were designed to do and would be ok to remain if I only used the machine a few hours a week.
After a lot of testing with cut settings, power speed, and air; I have the machine performing quite well. It has handled any task I have given it so far. I have been cutting and engraving with success with Plyboard, MDF, Acrylic, Laserable plastics, Foils, timber and engraving Aluminium.
(1:20) This machine has a lot to offer but there are also things that need improving.
Here are ten things I don’t like on this machine and will update and improve.
(1:51) 1 - Laser Controller
(2:22) 2 - The machine came without any gauges - amzn.to/2RLdh00
(3:48) 3 - The water cooling - amzn.to/2Lo1jrP
(5:30) 4 - The internal lighting in the machine
(6:40) 5 - The LED Red Dot - amzn.to/2Njq5Mz
(8:35) 6 - Air supply
(9:30) 7 - Air assist
(12.01) 8 - Exhaust Air Flow - amzn.to/2Nfw5pt
(12:58) 9 - Z-Axis lift table
(16:03) 10 - The Honeycomb bed
(18:43) I would like to add that although I use and recommend Cloudray Laser for my laser components, this video does not include paid sponsorship by Cloudray laser. I have found their products, service and support to be exceptional.
For open and full disclosure future videos may include components from Cloudray Laser for me to test and review, the opinions of the products and their performance will be my own.
Until next time, take care
Cheers Matthew
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Great video. I have been waiting for some time to get the same 80w machine but have been on a fence about it. But you video clarified a lot of thing I have to look for before I make a purchase, keep it up
Thanks.
Thanks for this detailed video Matt - This helps me make a decision on which laser cutter I will get. subscribed & notified DONE!
you're welcome Cheers Matt
Awesome review! thank you, you helped me a lot!
you're welcome Cheers Matt
4:05 I do the same for my water cooling, but I did drill holes in the cooler for the hoses. That really helped keep the cool in a lot longer.
This is a good idea. Depending on your climate you should consider a CW5000 chiller. Here in Australia during summer the water temperature changes rapidly due to ambient temperature in the workshop regularly over 30 deg C
About to order my first laser here in Canberra, and am devouring your videos. And you’ll have a customer for parts too. Thanks heaps!
Awesome, thank you!
I've just picked up this machine for 1350€ including shipping. I am really motivated to start hacking it and upgrading. Thanks for you videos!
Have fun!
ordered this machine this morning and just got notification it’s been dispatched... can’t wait to tinker with it and modify it. Thanks heaps for all your videos.
Enjoy your new machine. Cheers Matt
MW Laser received my machine this morning.... super excited to fire it up, nice little surprise too as it was suppose to have a topwisdom controller but it came with a Ruida 6442 😁
And...... the tube is dead 😢😢 all that excitement shot down in flames
Did you get the tube replaced yet?
@@lithgowlights859 yeah mate I spent $1000 and ordered a good quality 80w tube with an approximate lifespan of 10,000 hours.
im looking at buying one of these for cutting 6mm acrylic, have you cut 6mm acrylic before and if so would you know how fast at what % of power. id like to be able to work out my cutting times on parts. thank you
thanks for your videos.
I just ordered a Chinese 80w laser like yours. I want to put an ammeter! How many watts or volts should I buy?
Thanks for the reply
Hey Matt, when you upgraded the LED lights, were you able to gain some Y axis ?
I noticed on my blk/red 80w, the F-Stop keeps the wiring harness from hitting the bulb, and there is probably another 3 inches of bed.
Also, what voltage was that tube bulb, is it AC or 12v DC ? Did you do a video on the LED lights? Did you put LED strip on the back of the front bar too?
I put the 12v strip light on all 4 sides, and used the power pack supplied with the lights. I could possibly gain some extra work area, but I haven't the need to as I also operate 2 other machines 1300x900.
Hi. Thanks for your videos.
Can you please send me the original vendor settings file, for lightburn? Thanks a lot
Matt, I have noticed if I run a project with the fill-line option and the speed is above 200, they do not align with each other. I have to slow the speed down to get things to line up. I never had this problem with my k40, have you experienced this? What would cause this? I have tightned my belts, but I cannot for the life of me figure this out. Once again, thanks for your help!
Jeff
Try this video. It may help you. Cheers Matt ruclips.net/video/ublaZ1s7dPo/видео.html
At 5:30, you discuss the lighting improvement. Do you have a video showing how to wire that? Do you need a step-down transformer . . . or do you simply hook up the light strip directly to the switch? Did you have to modify the case at all -- or did you just use adhesive tape to mount the lights around the box?
I purchased a strip light with self-adhesive back, it was wired by using it's own independent power supply and then wired through the spare switch on the front of the machine. No modifications to the case were needed. Cheers Matt
Hi my chines machine big i want make long cable for laser pulses when i make mirror alignment?
, can you help me show me how to take wire from the laser machine for testing purposes i appreciate
Yes, as I mentioned in my last video I plan to make a video on this soon.
I’m having issues with my red dot beam coming from mirror one. I’d love ur advice. My beam isn’t working from the spot behind mirror 1
I really feel my wires are jus loose, should the red and black wire in the casing be twisted like spliced together
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I recently bought the same machine and encountered the same constraints. Seems I will have to spend a fair bit on upgrades. I cannot find any reference in the manual how to focus. Can you advise?
Hi Deon, Focusing is done by moving the z axis (work bed) up and down to a set height from the end of the laser lens tube, usually the machines are sent with a focusing gauge. the gauge is placed on its' edge between the work material and the nozzle. (this will obviously need to be adjusted for each material thickness).
I did a video a while back on testing the focus gap, you will find it here ruclips.net/video/KosCT1iMDc0/видео.html
If you have any other questions email me (address in video description)
Cheers Matt
Hi Matt, Thanks a lot!. Months of learning in one video.
Have the same machine you have, but when I go to run program I get Laser 1 err. Any idea what causes this? Range and axis work fine,
Which controller do you have on your machine? Laser error usually appears on the TopWisdom Controller when there is no or a loose connection with the laser PSU and the Control Board.
Just ordered a cw5200 and ultimate air assist from cloud ray laser. Should be here in a couple of weeks
good choice.
Hey Matt, grat vids.
I am looking to buy one of these exclusively to engrave TroLase. Is the 80w necessary or would a 60w or smaller be more appropriate if purely doing trolase material?
Have only ever used Diode lasers (ie Emblaser) and have never been able to get a good result with Trolase. Hoping CO2 is the answer, but finding it difficult to find any info on engraving it other than with the professional trotec machines etc. Would love to hear more about your experience with this very common material. Thanks mate, Michael (Perth WA)
Sorry - Finally I get around to replying to all my RUclips comments and I have already helped via email. :) Cheers Matt
I have a 60w machine 3 months old or so I have an mA installed and a couple of days ago while cutting at 40 Pw the mA only goes to 10 mA and they use to go to 18 mA cuold it be the power supply is failing any suggestions?
May be laser power supply or tube issue.
email more details to matt@mwlaser.com.au - Maybe we can arrange support call
I have the blade bed. Trying to get a honeycomb. Steel honeycomb doesnt seem to be made here in usa.
You can order from Cloudray Laser, however the freight may be expensive due to the size and weight
So I have a glowforge because I fell for the marketing. Is the red and black my next step or is there a better option for me? I would like a large bed size like 36x24 ideally.
Something like this would be a good choice.
rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5575520346&toolid=10001&campid=5338571324&customid=50W+LB+LASER&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F282331899440%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR1OapmxX6PzEAJrHXvdZRa5Yml3U0chuV61MBmJeAVbofgxeN461b9iXCI
Good morning, i have the same laser. Only the window (Acyrlclass) is not colored but transparent. I asked the seller if that was not dangerous if I looked at the laser. And which safety goggles do I need? He said that it is not dangerous. But, if I'm unsure, I should buy some goggles. What is correct, what should I do? Which (Nm) glasses should I buy and should I replace the Acyrl window? Thanks for the answers
10600 um for Co2 Laser Safety Glasses
mwlaser.com.au/product/cloudray-10600nm-laser-safety-goggles/
There is NO need to change the Acrylic to coloured / tinted
Hey Matt Adelaide here. I have just purchased the 80W machine today. I will look at upgrading to a chiller as well. Cheers
I recommend the CW5000 or CW5200 Chillers like these mwlaser.com.au/product/cw5200-sa/
I Don't recommend the CW3000 at all it is not a refrigerated chiller like the CW5000 series
MW Laser Thanks for that. Does the machine come with an option for a rotary attachment?
@@emsamcamm3951 Yes it does
ruclips.net/video/Y-NzNeaOegI/видео.html
Hi Matt my machine came today and it has a Ruida controller but fir the life of me I can’t seem to connect it to my light burn software. I have a red X on controller with pc images are. Thanks
do you have a link to the one you purchased? I am also in australia trying to find a good source for one.
I purchased my Red & Black from eBay (Australian Seller & Shipping) with the TopWisdom Controller and then made the upgrades to Controller and Air etc. Link Below Cheers Matt
rover.ebay.com/rover/1/705-53470-19255-0/1?ff3=4&pub=5575520346&toolid=10001&campid=5338571324&customid=R%26B+LASER&mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fitm%2F80w-Co2-Laser-Engraver-Engraving-Cutter-Carving-Printing-Machine-500-700mm-AU%2F274086710641%3Fepid%3D679273716%26hash%3Ditem3fd0d74d71%3Ag%3ALg0AAOSw74xd8elZ%26frcectupt%3Dtrue
hi , i am thinking about buying chinese laser and i am not sure if i have to buy also extra safety goggles for laser . do you use safety goggles for laser ?
I Recommend mwlaser.com.au/product/cloudray-10600nm-laser-safety-goggles/
Hola un saludo desde Elche ( ESPAÑA ) tengo una maquina como la tuya pero de 60 watios y tengo un problema con el eje (y) no se mueve he estado trabajando con la maquina la muy bien , pero un día voy hacer un trabajo y la quina no responde
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Matt, I have a question, what do you find the best speed and power to laser a wine glass on the rotary? Do you use a mask? Hope this finds you well, and thanks for the videos
I currently do not engrave wine glasses, so this question may best be answered by someone in the laser community who does. Cheers Matt
Can you use Lightburn software with this cutter?
That depends on which controller is in that machine.
Lightburn has compatibility with many controllers now. Have a look at their website for a list of supported controllers. Cheers
Thanks for sharing... I know you aren't happy with the red dot for aligning but couldn't you use it as a visual way to focus the table? Just fire a dot onto the material then move the table up or down until the red dot lines up. That should work, right?
Thanks for your comment. The issue with the red dot is not that it is only accurate when in focus, it is also easily knocked out of alignment and the mounting design is weak. Even a light touch on the dot will bump it out of place.
Doing a laser pulse the material requires a piece of waste material the same thickness to test fire onto, which is what I currently do.
The other issue is that when engraving on certain materials I run the engraving part of the job out of focus for various reasons one being to reduce visible engraving lines, so when out of focus the issue remains if I want to recheck position of the engraving space with the red dot it would need to be adjusted again for the out of focus location.
So the solution is the beam combiner that I will be installing. This has arrived and I hope to have a video out as soon as I can clear a backlog of jobs I have that are needed right now.
Cheers Matthew
@@MWLaser I haven't received mine yet, but in watching a lot of videos from a lot of sources, I found that there is a combiner that can be installed at the tube outlet that combines the red laser with the CO2 laser. Have you given that any thought?
Yes I have @@acdii . This was an upgrade I made to this machine. The video can be found on my channel. Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Awesome.
I have taken a job as a tech ed teacher. This CNC machine is located in the classroom. It doesn't have a user manual with it. Does it come with one new? What is the make and model of this machine so maybe I can order one? TIA
Hello, Are you after the software manual or the Machine Manual? What software are you using I may have the original files on my PC - You can email me for more info matt@mwlaser.com.au
Hey would you be able to let me know what the noise output is like? Thanks
the noisiest part is the exhaust fan... with standard centrifugal fan supplied it is approx 65dB
You can change this for inline fan.. much quieter at around 33dB
hello , do you know if this machine can engrave on stone ? like funeral stones .(granit )
Yes it can
Matt,
Did you end up liking the exhaust fan upgrade in this video?
Yes
Great review
I just received my 80w red and black. Do you have a power and speed cheat sheet for different materials? Just upgraded from a diode and needing some starting points. I am using lightburn and received it with a Ruida controller.
I am currently working on a video about this, so I have made my document available early. It is now available to download from mwlaser.com.au/sdm_downloads/cutting-power-speed-starting-settings-for-new-laser-users/ This is a draft and will be updated again before I release the new video in the next few weeks. I hope it helps.
Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser absolute legend. Thank you
@@MWLaser did you happen to have power % to go with the speeds? Please.
@@natashaanderson8523 Not yet it is a work in progress. If you send me a list of material you would like to cut I will send you a list of settings I use on the 80W machine
email matt@mwlaser.com.au
The download file has now been updated, with some power % / mA settings used on our test machines
Whats the size of the little Orange square 6:58 , i have the same machine, but i lost the little part
Approx 19mm - ruclips.net/video/KosCT1iMDc0/видео.html
@@MWLaser thanks so much
What’s the measurement of the overall laser height and width and length
Width 144cm depth 88cm height 98cm
can this laser engrave fine details such as faces or images ?
with the correct image file preparation and settings. Yes.
Hi Matt, I have a new 100 Watt red and Black Laser with RD works V8 software. When I open a square or rectangle it is black. Can you tell me how to make it clear when you open it. Thanks, keep on posting . Mike
Hi Michael, I'm not exactly sure what is happening there. Email me using the email address in the video description with a picture or screenshot of what's going on and I'll be happy to help if I can. Cheers Matthew
Jesus dude. You did all those sweet panel upgrades but you were still using a water bucket? Glad you got a chiller since then.
Yes the chiller is highly recommended, it works perfect. Cheers Matt
Where did you get your risers and magnets?
frenergy magnets Australia
Can this 80 watts black and red Chinese laser cutter work offline
Yes you can use USB drive to transfer files to Control Panel
Thanks, Matt, I'm looking into getting one.
Have you tried to engrave metal on this machine or is it even capable of doing so?
Yes, you can mark metals such as anodised aluminium. To mark permanently on some metals like stainless steel, you can apply a product such as CerMark or MarkSolid before lasering.
So the answer is No. This laser cannot engrave metals, but there are products that you can apply to some metals to mark it.
worried about buying a 100w red and black. can I still engrave with that?
Yes no problem at all
@@MWLaser Thank you! I have heard the higher the laser, the more poor the quality of engraving.............
Is it necessary to wear glasses? which one do you recommend?
There are various opinions to this question. The short answer is... Definitely if you like your eyes & Use machine with cover closed.
Look for quality glasses designed and certified for Co2 Laser 10600nm. They are inexpensive.
Cheers Matt
@@MWLaser Thank's and regards
What software do you use?
I use Lightburn software.
have you come across the problem of inverting the image.
Yes this can be simply because the Homing origin of the machine is incorrectly set in the software. Check your home(datum) position if Top Right matches in your software. if in the software it is set to Top Left the image will be inverted when you process the job.
@@MWLaser thank you i will look into that. cheers
Hi Matt, What part of Australia are you in.
South East Melbourne
@@MWLaser Thanks Matt. I am looking at buying a Ruida RDC6445 RDC6445G Controller. Are you able to give me a hand when I install it.
@@keithpretorius2839 yes email me matt@mwlaser.com.au
@@MWLaser Thanks Matt, Once I receive the cooler will then email you. Thanks
How do you still like the laser?
Yep, Still a great machine. It is serving me very well for daily production of items. Cheers Matt
I got mine a couple of weeks ago and after just 1.25 hours of use, the unit is no longer engraving clearly and looks lousy. I tried to clean the lens and it just made it worse. When I opened the lens to clean it, I noticed that is was chipped and so I am thinking that I was sent a defective unit. Very disappointed in the company. I have yet to hear from them. Beware!
Unfortunate experience. Lenses are easily chipped or cracked if they are over tightened in the lens tube or if dropped when cleaning. I hope you find a solution to this. Some suppliers & manufacturers are not as reliable as others, so after sales experience is not the same for all.