[Hearthstone] How Good Is Bolvar Fordragon?
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Kinda funny how bolvar said "You will pay" when he attacked the owl that silenced him
the spoilers are real :'C
maximilian musterman Yes well, don't read the comments before watching the video. Is this the first time on youtube for you? :D
Boxvoko Only people who read comments before watching the video, are the ones who "skipperino Kripperino". And for them I wish all the spoilers in the world.
thats not true if I wait the first 3 seconds for kripp's intro I scroll down and one of the first comments is a spoiler I feel kinda bad when I know what happens in the end in the ''highlight'' of the video.
maximilian musterman then don't scroll down, just skipp like 5 seconds of the video then in the start
14:58 YOU WILL PAY!
And kills the owl that ruined him xDDDDD
xDDD
Never Lucky BabyRage
Supaserrin I saw it coming, that silence.. well then again who didnt? lol
"In a couple of weeks nobody will play Mal'Ganis anymore" - Kripparrian, Hearthstone Connoisseur, 3/17/2015
Lol pretty much everyone from zoo to demonlock
"In a couple of weeks nobody will play Mal'Ganis anymore" - Kripparrian, Hearthstone Connoisseur, 3/17/2015"- Dumb Kid 2017
Brayan Catano Maybe you should look at when this comment was posted before calling HIM dumb
5:08 I like how he said that malganis will never be used, however it is used in practicly every demonlock and Control Warlock along with Jarraxus
FireJaguar123 and and handlock and even zoolock.
And most commonly in zoo
shuvo rahman
and most commonly in zoo;)
+Try.to.make.a.kripperino.acoount.but.no.one.likes.itirino Kripperino
Yeah, someone made a similar comment a month before you
Blizzard really should finally nerf dr. bullshit and start buffing cards that are utter garbage
perhaps nerfing the Doctor would be enough. If he gets completely loseless, then the BGH loses his effectiveness, too...
when BGH isnt in every fucking deck, then other cards like bolver could increase their value.
But yeah...buff them would be nice too XD
Kidzin I said that long ago. Change Boom Bots to: "Deal 1-2 damage to a random character". It will fix it for good.
i'd change both attack value and boombots so maby BHG isn't in every freaking deck just as Buchse123 said
Buchse123
i think you should more likey lower the health. like even a 7 6 can get removed by a fireball and as a 7 5 there is even more stuff
***** Then it would litteraly be the worst legendary in the game
Who is using Bolvar? Nobody
Who's using Malorne? Nobody
Who's using Ghaz'rill? Nobody
Who's using Flame Leviathan? Nobody
Who's using Vol'jin? A few in class that almost nobody plays
Who's using Trade Prince Gallivix? Nobody, basic ogre is equal
Who's using Neptulon? A some in a class that almost nobody plays
Who's using Malganis? Demonlocks just because he won a tournament but it soon nobody
Who's using Iron Juggernaut? Nobody, since Warriors have just one deck which they have been using is beta.
Who is using Sneed's? Some in a control meta that does not exists.
Who is using Dr. Balanced? Everybody because it is significantly better than all the rest.
Awesome card design there Blizzard! Roughly 90% of the work and resources you spent on creating legendary cards is wasted effort. Then you declare that you are not nerfing it (or changing anything for that matter) because it hurts your ego too much to admit you made a huge mistake. Your current efficiency is 10% and it is getting worse every time you make new content, I hope you are proud!
Well, if they change stuff you get 100% of dust, so they're reluctant to balance things this way. In theory they could balance old stuff by adding new stuff in the game, for example 7 mana 4/5 BHG that would deal with Dr. Balanced better, but anything that would do well against dr. balanced would do well against any 7/7. The new "Legendary killer Legendary" could be an option against Dr. Balanced, but his 4 hp suck ass quite badly.
MajkaSrajkaOkay let us say everyone gets 100% dust, what happens? Long time players that have every single important card already get basically nothing they are not affected significantly. New players that are just starting out that have Dr.Boom but lack most of the cards get a significant benefit. Those who never had Dr. Boom will not be affected at all.True that this will mean revenue lost for Blizzard so let us see. Say you DE non golden Dr. Balanced, it gives 400 dust, 1 Pack in general is 4 common 1 rare which is 40 dust. That is, worst case, 10 packs which is 30 USD. So basically everyone who had Dr. Boom pre-nerf gets refunded for 30$.I ncase of Golden Dr. Boom that is 1600 dust which is 40 packs, so 120$ USD. That is a significante amount of money to the select few that had Dr. Boom but there aren't that many and those who did have enough dust to craft golden legendaries (or lucky enough to get it from packs) have probably spent far money than that. This part would be notable if it weren't such an insignificantly amount of people. According to the wiki the average chance for a legendary in a deck is between 1-5%, so in the best scenario to get a legendary you have to buy AT LEAST 20 packs. Which is double the amount of of the worth of money refunded because of the nerf.There are a lot of variables still missing here but counting this there isn't a significant financial drawback for Blizzard. Taking a hit to their reputation is something but Blizzard games are already famous for constantly needing patches and the community would never be satisfied anyways.
This is very well said. You have keep in mind that Blizzard no longer makes games out of passion and desire to create amazing content. When they did, we got games like D2, SC1, WC3 etc. Nowadays, Blizzard only wants maximum profit ... just like every other business in the world. They are corrupted by greed and have lost sight as to what made them epic and amazing.
Hearthstone is DESIGNED not to be balanced...not to allow for large skill input ... not to allow for amazing and creative deck designs, not to be fun, not to be non-repetitive etc.
Hearthstone is designed to keep the majority of players buying packs. The majority of players aren't very bright either and think nothing is wrong with the game. They think the RNG on every second card is fun, they think curve manipulation (yes this was leaked) in order to close the winning rate gap between pros and noobs is...awesome. This game is a joke and anyone that played magic knows it. All these streamers stream this dumb crap only because its so popular and they gotta go where the views are. Do you people seriously think Kripp has fun going from world first, hardcore D3 clear to this ?
If you are hoping for Blizz to balance this game, you will be waiting a long long time. Use WOW as an example of Blizzards intentions in "fixing" a game. In their eyes, if they're making enough cash, the game is fine. Right now, they're making enough cash off HS. They prolly woulda kept the real money AH on D3 if 99% of the players weren't bots. That one was a little to obvious and would bring their shit intentions to the surface for more people to see.
Adrian Lenhardt Hearthstone is indeed designed to keep players buying packs, but this can be said for almost every Collectible card game. However having such a difference between select cards is also counterproductive, as the more people get those that matter the less inclined they will be to get those cards that are rendered obsolete. From a corporate perspective this is still lost money, say they invested into making 100 cards but only 10 is used, that is still a lot of time and resources lost. Even while ignoring the powercreeping aspect of the whole meta where new content renders old content obsolete.Since we have the Internet any person who is actually paying attention to their money will go and look up what cards are worth it or which cards he needs to create their dream deck. After that they will probably just disenchant what they do not need. So after a certain point people just stop buying cards. They will keep making new content to keep people buying, but if they keep this up they are just destroying the old content faster. If they do not then the old players will just get bored and leave, soon streamers will have nothing to talk about and will move on which will ultimately a great loss in the whole community.It will also just make it harder and harder for new players to get into the game as they are still branding the classic pack as "best for new players". If newer content is simply superior, the gap for newer players will just get wider as well. As you will just have to buy more packs to get the select cards you need and the more they stretch that gap the less new players they will have.From all points of view it is in their best interest to keep all content active and viable to the fullest extent and keep the meta active.
Adrian Lenhardt Minor addendum, it is also bad for the "lore aspect" of the game. Much of the theme of the game is based on Warcraft lore, it is a huge part of the entire appeal of the game. How will the "diehard fans of warcraft" who have been around since Warcraft 2-3 feel when they open a pack and get a card with great hero say Illidan Stormrage only to find out that he is a dud because he is outclassed by say Dr Boom, who probably noone remembers because he was just a minor quest boss in Netherstorm.Probably they will not be happy about knowing that the characters they knew get outclassed by other noname characters just because they were designed and added into the game at a later date.
They should have given Bolvar charge.
+Bloodlovefreak Yeah sure
That would punish every controll deck and make face better since paladin will fuck everything up
***** Or maybe gave Bolvar a cap of how much attack he can have and charge
***** Priests never run silence
***** I have only seen one priest who ran mass dispel.That's a tech spell against things like Patron Warrior/Midrange pally Quartermaster combos
Maybe add new kind of card text?
"Can't be targeted by spells or Hero Powers. Can't be Silenced"
Or when he gets more then 10 attacks he goes leach king maode since he becomes the leach king. Lich king mode is replace your hero he will be 3-15 hero hero power deal 3 damage and freeze a character
What about card Forgotten Memories "Unsilence target minion" Maybe a 3 cost?
Hekinsieden unsilence is impossible to code , because silencing a card remouves all the text and buff the system can't figure out what to put back i guess
I'm inclined to think they could just change bolvar's ability to alter his stats permanently (since it applies while in your hand).
Hekinsieden "Removing silence" doesnt really work despite how simple the idea seems at first I think, it is too confusing an idea, it goes against the devs ideal for hearthstone to be easy to pick up and play. For instance, imagine you have a 2/2 minion, then it gets buffed by +2/2, then it gets silenced, then it gets buffed with windfurry, then it gets silenced, then it gets buffed with divine shield, then it gets silenced. Now you play the "unsilence" card on it. What does it get back? Everything? Its first buff? Everything before it was last silenced? Do you need to stack unsilinces to get the buffs that are under further layers of silence?Now, it isnt that this idea is impossible to implement or that there couldnt be an answer, but that anything like this that would confuse the player goes against the goals the devs have for hearthstone. One of the primary goals of hearthstone is to have it never require a manual, for instance. This sort of thing would definitely require a manual, the details of how it works arnt intuitive so I think it is very, very unlikely the devs would want it in the game. That just adds to the fact the game engine would need a major overhaul as with the way silence works now, wiping all card text, you physically cant just say "undo that" because the data is gone, it wiped it. You would need to completely change how the game records card text
0:00 - 6:07 To hear a very interesting fellow with good ideas discuss an underused card.
Video should be called "How good is every GVG legendary?"
Video should be called "How bad is every GvG legendary?" *Kappa*
fullmetal1408 I liked your comment for the comment itself. Then disliked it for the Kappa.
Semyon Galtsev Are you that slow when it comes to reading comments?
TheViolander Are you that slow when it comes to getting jokes?
Semyon Galtsev Only when they are not funny.
This guy had the stream in his sight and still got owned. Kripp is a god.
The molten giant Holy Wrath luck.
Richard Conway
+ that brutal kreygasm
Bolvar should be a 4/7 for 5 mana with the battlecry "gain +1 attack for each friendly minion killed this turn". That way, even if he gets silenced, you are still getting Fuegen's(can't spell his name for the life of me) value.
6:06 to skipperino talkerino bolvareni fordragerino
I lol'd at bolvar versus the owl. "YOU WILL PAY!" *hit* "AAAAAAGHHHHHH!"
I seriously expected this video to end with just "He isn't!"
And then 15 minutes of kripparian dropparian the micarrian
Bolvar Fordragon
Deathrattle: Spawn an angry lich king that has attack and health equal to the total amount of hate Bolvar Fordragon received
Lol that ending. Gotta love the flavor text of Holy Wrath too: "C'mon Molten Giant!".
Gj Kripp, you were the flavor text!
This was my first legendary. *tear*
my first was a golden captain greenskin
and cairne in the same pack
***** van cleef. doesnt play rouge
***** my first legendary was millhouse manastorm
Elmo - Jon Ruso My first was Nat Pagle. After the nerf
***** Neptulon for me then in the next pack i got a golden neptulon
Turn on closed captions
-Bolvar= Apple Ball or Bovard
-Gazh'rilla= Castro -Flame Leviathan= Home decorative -Vol'jin= Abortion or Fortune or Bottom
-Neptulon= Apt. 21 -Mel'ganis= Afganistan or mountianous
"I'm some people use abortion voted as okay right now."
Anyone got the decklist used in this video?
6:07 to skipperino kripperino stuperino talkerino
Where do I get that happening shirt?
Possible use in eboladin now?
Such a pity, such a cool dude in WoW
Sterling Sampson I think that’s Arthus
@@mutedmathamatician I know this comment is from a year ago but Arthas was tricked into becoming the Lich King by Malganis and Bolvar took up the helm of domination (the lich kings helmet) to keep the scourge in check after Arthas was defeated.
You kept hovering the mouse over Bolvar. No wonder he saved that owl for it.
Deathrattle: become the lich king
I think I now have my favourite Kripp quote. If you get BGHed on Dr Boom, you get the boom bots, but if its used on Bolvar you don't, you get screwed
Kripp used Bolvar 20/5
freddys used Ironbeak Owl *Its super effective*
Kripp died on the inside
20/7*
Should i disenchant my Golden version of this guy for Dr. Boom? i just packed him from an arena pack!
When GvG first dropped my favorite thing to do was play mech paladin. You would end up getting the stealth spare part and I would give a 10+ Bolvar stealth. Really made my opponents freak out lol.
Following a 30-0 win involving incredible plays and combos and zero topdecks, Kripp hears Rania's voice calling to him from the bedroom. Following many moans and sighs until he finally found the right spot, Kripp later removed his fingers as a pool of OJ and candle wax started to spill out. "Rania, what is this?" Kripp asks. "I'm not Rania", replies Trump. As Kripp reels back in terror, Trump smirks. "It seems you've tingered Frump."
bolvar is pretty damn awesome when it comes to a Silverhand Recruit deck. Since your deck basically consists of throwing weak minions at the enemy until they cry, bolvar can be a big foe to reckon with at the cost of 5 mana. He can compete with a mal'ganis, a velen, a gromash, and so on at the cost of five mana. The whole thing with bolvar is he has potential. SUUURE he CAN get BGH, but that just means he's clearing the way for other fat minions to enter the field.
Everything seemed on point except Mal Ganis is used a lot now.
How about his effect would continue when hes on the board?
Make it a plus 2 and suddenly this might work with stuff like noble sacrifices and expendable minions. Or alternatively give him Charge and whoop, he's back being played again. OR change it to "whenever a friendly minion takes damage, +1.", that would trigger the +1 more often.
"you will pay!" attacks owl
I just got Bolvar in a pack, should I disenchant him?
What I don't understand, Kripp, is it doesn't seem like you are giving it any credit that it soaks up removal. I would say some of the big value to Bolvar is that he does get big game hunter'd if he's over seven attack, or he gets silenced.
In playing a control pally in this meta, running Dr Balanced, Tirion, and Bolvar... Odds are one of those cards will be safe from removal. And if you're playing against Aggro, even if he is a 3/7, if you can taunt him up, he's going to soak damage.
I'm determined to make him viable and I think he is
If you're just adding a card to eat up removal, there are better cards to do it with than Bolvar.
For 5 mana? I can't think of one, other than possibly sludge belcher for silence
if you gonna play him as a 3-7 might as well go turtle instead
... But you don't have the flexibility with the turtle. He's a 2/7 whether you're playing against Aggro or control
kpkost I believe in your cause, friend. Fight the good fight!
The 20 damage Holy Wrath was a good retaliation for the loss of the 20/7 minion. :P
I find Bolvar pretty good. I just use it VERY late game after all the hard removals and silences are gone. He gets about 20+ attack with the pretty good 7 hp.
Oh wow I've just gotten an (most likely already seen) idea PogChamp Soooo Mech Mage uses Clockwork Gnome not only to create an extra fireball but also to ensure Archmage survives the following turn. Putting two of those in or perhaps even a Mech. Yeti in order to get the Cloak for Bolvar could be huge ^_^ Bolvar as a ~15/7 stealthed is basicly a guaranteed 15dmg as there are very little 7 AOE spells out there.
hay krip, remember when you said we were going into a control meta LOL!
Also I have an anti aggro priest deck that does very very well. and it also runs vol'jin! also does well against control, especially warrior.
6:06 for avoiding ResidentSleeper
I still run Bolvar. I like to have the decision to Keep him at 5 or 6 attack or to make him grow really big. I also run Dr. Boom, so If I have both in my hand I use Dr. Boom to draw his BGH and then to go Bolvar vor 10+ attack. But I guess my deck is weird - it also has Foe Reaper in it and Blessing of wisdom.
Amazing. I love you, Kripp.
6:08 avoiderino kripperino
do you think iron juggernaut will be ok if its stop a draw?
That would be pretty OP rng pyroblast and prevent a play if topdecking, that's too good.
No coz there is no garantee that the enamy will draw the bomb plus the meta is agro
I think Blizzard have to change Bolvar mechanic, for ex. when you summon Bolvar. he have fixed white attack (not green - buffed). He will also buffed as now for your died minions, but that will make card "immune" for silence, and make it more playable, not enough of course, but it something.
don't think they will i mean paladin already has the bes class legendary (tirion)
great video thank you kripp
I use Bolvar in my Paladin deck mostly because I don't have anything better (got him out of an early pack, and I'm f2p sooooo). Once had an amazing game with him where it got really late game, and I played Onyxia on an empty board with Bolvar in my hand. My opponent doesn't have an answer and just plays some minions. I then run a Whelp into one of his minions, play a Frostwolf Warlord as a 10/10, then run the other whelps in and play Bolvar as a 12/7. At the end of the turn I had a 10/10 warlord, an 8/4 Onyxia and and 12/7 Bolvar. My opponent immediately conceded after drawing.
I managed to pull off a 23 damage bolvard once. My opponent top decked mind control. Don't play that card or you will end up with a broken keyboard like me
gahz'rilla is an awesome card and you should try it out, very fun to play. :p
I have not gotten him in arena yet, unfortunately. I've gotten Neptulon, Gahz'rilla, Malorne, Vol'jin, Gallywix, and Malganis. All were excellent, btw.
I can imagine he'd be pretty decent, actually. You just have to hold him for a few turns for him to be a Feugen, which is already pretty good, and if you can wait longer, he could just be too big to handle. Not bad.
Of the others I haven't played, I doubt Iron Juggernaut would be that great, and the Flame Leviathan is a wild card.
lkjkhfggd People in arena often run silence. There are better legendaries to pick (usually).
Not really bro. Sure a lot of people pick it up, but not everybody, and even if they drafted one, it's not like it's going to always be in their hand whenever you choose to play Bolvar.
lkjkhfggd Oh well...still, most other legendaries are better. Bolvar is way too slow, and the shittiest topdeck possible to boot.
HE'S BACK!
He probably has the best card play animation and sound in the game. You play him and you hear that lion roar and the animation and you feel like a badass, then they hard remove it and your crying.
6:05 Well you did manage to keep Bolvar, grats
6:07 to Kripperino skipperino
Still doubt I will use him any time soon but this video saved my Bolvar from the duster.
I like using Malorne, it's so much fun shitting on Warriors with it. It ends up soaking up like 4 or 5 kill spells late game. In other matchups it usually draws out a silence and another card if not just a BGH to make room for my other big creatures.
Usally malorn can only be played once coz oof the rush meta so its shit
shuvo rahman Idk, I ran into quite a few control decks yesterday and it actually won me a handful of games, so it isn't total shit.
I've actually had some good times with bolvar, he usually soakes up alot of removal. But i also dont have tyrion, so bolvar usually is the one to take the silence for the house. Then im sad xD
in the current brawl Bolvar has won me quite a few games! :D
"I don't have any healing or taunts left..." draws Lay on Hands and Antique Junkbot.
I wish Silence was a thing that could be removed. without making the card return to the deck or hand. Similar desire for cards like Polymorph and Hex, making those effects vulnerable to silence. Effectively being able to revert a plymorphed or Hexxed creature to normal.
i literally just finished watching your last video :)
heyguyshowsitsgoingkripparrianhere
My best bolvar were 42 once in a random constructed.
from 20/7 to 1/1 in 15 seconds that escalated quickly
I used Malorne and iron juggernaut. :C I am thinking about taking out Malorne tho
Got two legendarys in a row, Bovlar Fordragon and Toshley. The dream.
Lucas Haggroth Toshley's not bad though, he synergizes pretty well with Antonidas if that's your thing.
Put him in a murloc deck, give him the +3 and divine shield, use any minions or spells leftover to buff him, create a monster with a good mana ratio.
i got the choice in Arena between bolvdar, the Skeleton knight and the charging pirate FeelsBadMan
Can you do a "How good is Elven Archer?" please. Kappa
One way to make him a little more appealing would be to make his attack not silenceable.... well that way he would be at least slightly less of a joke.
I want to use Bolvar for a murloc paladin deck so i think i will craft it cuz murlocs dies fast and if u hold this from turn 1 it will be MAD!
Using a faceless on mal'ganis and having 2 mal'ganis is baller as fuck
6:21 YES
If i can get any legendary with my dust which one should i take?
dr. balanced
Lore Walker Cho
I play Malorne, and Gahz'rilla, and Flame Leviathan
Malorne is literally one of the best cards in my deck
HOLY WRATH MOLTEN GIANT, THE DREAM *Kreygasm*
WOAH KRIPP RANK 6? that's something new
Bolvar synergises really well with deathrattle minions. Silence hurts him really badly, but I'd rather it be him than Tirion or Sylvanas.
Bolvar's gonna be played much more in BRM, because of all the "minions that died this turn" cards. I think we will be played sometimes in paladin/dragon decks.
Imagine if he turned into a Lich King if silenced that's a 8/8 Taunt.
Cant really imagine that
+Atlas We can dream.
I always hear Bolvar's line as "Come forth, power!" instead of "Come forth, coward!"
take a shot every time kripp clicks his infuriating loud mouse
jea they should atleast made it that his bonus atack is considerst his base atack if you play him so it can´t be silenced so it´s only taking removals the only way i can see it work is in mech paly hoping to get stealth part so he can´t be targeted next turn
I feel like Iron Jugg could be useful for control warrior just to speed up the game a little. I honestly think it would still be a perfectly fair card at 6/7 for the same cost.
I think Blizz just tries too hard to make class legendaries that either are too simple when you look at how the game actually works or that are bound to how the class is "supposed" to be played. It is obvious that Bolvar was meant to be drawn early and is intended to just get absolutely enormous from recruits dying but without charge he is just going to get instantly focused down or BGHed. Make him 6 or 7 and slap Charge on him imo. He is useless with BGH existing and we know BGH isn't going anywhere.
Golden Bolvar looks beast.
Dr Seuss called, he wants his hat back.
haah, "Yeeeeah shake that screen!" That was so good
I really want to craft him and try him out, but when it comes to legendaries, there are so many better choices when it comes to crafting.
Couldn't they make it a "transform" like the druid cards? That way it couldn't get silenced.
"nobody is going to play malganis" -kripp
15:37
For WWBarb Overkill Kreygasm
Loved this card when it came out, then mustard just solidified that
Skipperino Kripperino Talkerino 6:09
16:07 to skip Kripp :^)
Bolvar is like that classic drunk guy at the party who gets angrier every time one of his friends in the room dies. Classic.