@Rickey just no he didn't play his first few years. People were comparing him to Greg Odon Then embed finally got a little healthy then really healthy for him
Man, the level of discourse when it's Redick and Windhorst talking hoops is off the charts. 100x better than the loudmouth theatrics of Stephen A., Perkins, and Mad Dog. ESPN, more of this please! 🏀🔥
Trading Ingram will be a mistake.. I love Zion too but if they had to part ways I’d trade him for pieces to put around Ingram or another star to compliment Ingram… but my personal opinion is run it back one more year and if by the deadline it’s not looking good then part ways
The players were dumb to agree to that new CBA, now in order for championship caliber teams to stay together players are going to have to take pay cuts to keep the team intact. Figured the owners would go after the players for all the games they miss nowadays.
@@marcusgoff7347 The Baseball union is the best. People were upset about that 1994 strike but looking back now they were smart to not let the owners impose a salary cap. Also if it weren't for the strike MJ would have never quit baseball and come back to the Bulls.
NBA and team really need to allow all teams to have a partial exemption on luxury tax paid on drafted players. I don't see the value in punishing a team because they did what they were supposed to do and find players that win championships.
There’s value when you’re the team not winning. These rules are made by majority and the majority for the past near decade have been losers at the hands of this warriors team. Of course they won’t care about what should be or what’s right. They just want to drag them down so these trash teams have more of a chance
This was the year that the Warriors’ “big 3” were no longer good enough to compete for a championship. The only way this team can build itself back up is by adding more key pieces, which can only happen if at least two of them agree to take less money. No team can afford a $500 million payroll, especially one that can’t win it all.
Klay was the one who dropped off in this year's playoffs. And next year all three will be older. I don't see the Warriors winning any more titles with this roster.
@@richatlarge462Reformulating your sentence. It's not that they won't with this roster. It's about the payroll. Obviously, this 2023 roster wasn't enough. That roster is obviously not gonna win it because they didn't. It all depends on what they can put around Curry. Not what they put because it's not on them 100%. It's what they are allowed to put around him.
bejlica and Otto porter jr were major loses that the warriors never recovered from. The warriors need size, so get rid of everyone except the starting line up of steph, klay, draymond, wiggins and looney to get a line up that can play defense.
Giving wiseman away for cash and chips was there first mistake. He’s a 7 foot big that can rebound and shoot. Which is exactly what they need on that team no
@@tn3lxxxv more like the warriors weren’t patient enough. It’s his 3rd year and they expect him to be Marcus camby or Lamarcus Aldridge or Chris Bosh. They didn’t have the best patients with developing James for some reason. Like it’s his 3rd year coming back from the rehabbed ACL knee, he wasn’t gonna be that dude he’s was supposed to be this year, it’s common sense. If they would’ve waited and were patient enough like any other team, by next season. He probably would’ve been fine, but no they want the prime version of Weismann. I don’t think GS realized how much of a good talent they got rid of for practically nothing. Can’t draft a high pick and expect him to play big time like Steph, klay and dray. That was the first biggest mistake made by bob myers, that’s isn’t with GS anymore. And look at Moody Kuminga and Poole. Poole showed what he can do but not consistently. Moody and kuminga are soils but , barley played in the playoffs, both clearly aren’t fully developed and have been in the league longer than weiseman. Im still shocked the warriors choose kuminga and moody over weiseman. It’s clear that they’re looking to trade them but both don’t have any value and aren’t fully developed or anything.
The Warriors offense improved by +5.8 points per 100 possession with Draymond on the court and their defense improved by +7.3 points/100 poss. Combustible personality or not, the Warriors need him. If he's gone and not replaced, I agree they have no chance.
But it is. Every complication that the new CBA adds basically harms the way the Warriors built their roster: drafting really well, trading well and resigning those people.
Definitely aimed at them by other greedy owners who aren't willing to spend big on their own team. Crazy that this rule passed as all contending or winning teams will soon find themselves with this issue down the road
@@Augzzz Exactly. You hear Bobby Marks' off-season guide for the Nuggets and they will have issues for sure in summer 2024 to keep it together. To me it seems stupid because the new rules are going to harm smaller teams even more since they won't have it easy to go over the luxury tax not even once because it will be more harmful, and it's a set of rules that does punish those who built through the draft. You will find more big city teams building squads to win in 3 years or less and blowing it up to retain just a small portion to tey again. And the rest won't be able to keep up because they won't be able to keep their players for long before the taxes kill them...
@@UghBunny Actually a lot of the owners that CAN afford the tax are also the ones not spending lmao. Like the Blazers and Mavs, which have the power to spend yet are not willing to put a good contending team around their franchise player
Yeah bro they can’t contend if they don’t have the guy who hits people in the nuts, humps people on the floor, stomps on people, and punches his own teammates, how will they ever survive?!
I wish the Warriors would let Kuminga play. He might not play as good of Defense as Draymond but I feel like he would make up for it on the offensive end.
JJ isn't realistic. The Warriors paid Klay a max while he was injured and didn't play for 941 days. Time for him to do something back and take a paycut..
I think Draymond will stay. He seemed ready to leave til they got eliminated and then literally said he wanted to start and end his career as a Warrior. I think he and Klay should take pay cuts, and Poole should get traded among the rest of the bench who seems jealous of the starters mins. They need a bench who understands their roles instead of competing and sabotaging the chemistry (which is why they lost this year). I feel they tried to rebuild the young upcoming team too soon- Steph still in his prime , he just needs a supporting cast. They youngins don’t understand that so they should leave
Dudes. Draymond isn’t a Hall of Famer. Stop that nonsense talk. He’s not even playing at Al All Star level anymore. His stats have been declining yearly. He shouldn’t be considered as anything more than a triple single point player.
If I'm running the Warriors, Steph/ Klay/ Draymond are never wearing another team's jersey. All the success on the court has been built around those 3 playing together. Everyone else is tradeable (except MAYBE Looney at this point, and probably still him too).
Klay need to be aware that hes no longer the player he was, and take a pay cut to help the team putting up more help. He isnt worth 40mil/year right now, not even 30mil if I am completely honest.
Zion is a 2 time Allstar that averaged 26 points per game on 60% from the field and had his team 1st in the West before getting hurt, he is only 22 years old Zion will learn from his mistakes 💯
He is a liability given his decisions off the court and combine that with his injuries he will be a perpetual all star and only ever win if he plays with an actual super star
If this is true then we’re saying Draymond was more value to the Warriors than KD. I think if they can win titles without KD, they can win without Draymond. Won’t be easy, but I think they can find a way
Logically your statement doesn't make sense. Warriors won without KD sure, but in this situation we are talking about the warriors winning without both KD and Green, not just without KD.
Draymond Green has cost the GS Warriors a couple of NBA championships. In 2016 he got a flagrant technical foul and was suspended for a game which possibly cost GSW a title. In 2018 he told Kevin Durant that GSW didn't need him to win a championship. He created bad blood between himself and Durant. Durant left. In 2022 he sucker punched Jordan Poole creating another tension between himself and Poole affecting Jordan's play. Draymond's performance is going down and he's past his peak. Considering all this I would let Draymond walk if he wants to get a big contract.
Didn't look like Draymond was indispensable when they were winning in the NBA Finals with Draymond being played off the court. The new acquisitions will need to be very good complementary pieces, but this notion that he is irreplaceable is just more propaganda to undermine Curry.
If Green is replaceable, why isn’t he gone after being the reason for them losing in 2016, he pushed out KD and eventually punched Poole. Your emotions don’t reflect Golden State decisions 😂😂😂
There are so many defenders out there that would be better for the Warriors than Draymond has been for years now. I get Draymond is a big internet personality so JJ feels the need to defend him to keep his reputation up. But the idea that they can't replace Draymond because he's the "heart and soul" of the warriors is just a ridiculous trope that the Media creates to build a fantastical aspect to their dialogue. Steph is the soul on and off the ball to this Warriors squad and has been since Klay went down from his ACL, he is just not as willing to stamp on peoples rib cages and punch a team mate as Draymond. Saying otherwise seems like we're being hyperbolic about Draymond like he's a makeawish kid that needs compliments.
Wish they would talk about warrior's abit more and how messed up their payroll has been/is. Ive never understood supermax contracts. It just guts teams payroll. I would trade klay because his contract is crazy, and poole. That would take $71mil off their payroll, and give you $41 mil to add a good player and some depth ,and keep them under that tax apron. A trade that I think would be really good for gsw would be miles turner and buddy hield for klay and 2025 first round and 2027 first round.
Klay has an expiring contract and Poole is making $87mn for the next 3 Seasons; Poole's contract isn't as bad as it seems. Not when players are making $40-$50mn per. Andrew Wiggins extension was pretty 'cheap' also. It's Curry's contract that is out of this world...but it's Steph.
Haven’t watched first take in a while, ive been watching skip and shanon but i havent seen them upload anything for the past two days now. Is the show over for undisputed?
In my opinion, Draymond's antics have finally stacked up enough to erode the culture of the Warriors. Even if he's still considered to be of some value, the Warriors need a fresh start with a scoring big man.
@@marlunox2811 he does not. As much as Steph is the system, so is draymond. There is two sides of the ball. There would be a BIG hole left by draymond. Poole isn’t reliable therefore replaceable.
I really like JJ. I really hope he can learn the politics. He’s usually the smartest in the room… if he can add warmth, he’s a stud. I hope he doesn’t intimidate them too much and block his path to dominating this space. Cheers to JJ Reddick 🎉
Smartest in the room? He might sound smart but most definitely not he’s a duke joc basketball player he’s only just jumped into the media world he has no media credentials or degrees 😂
Truth is, if the warriors want to win multiple more championships, Draymond needs to go. Too expensive, not a shot blocker, doesn't get steals, his positioning on defense is good, but he's lost a step and isn't getting younger. Draymond also really messed up the team chemistry in that locker room, you could see it all season. Draymond needs to go, i'd trade him now and you might actually get something for him.
This wont be popular but as a Warriors fan I actually think Draymond has a longer shelf life than Klay at this point. If we are being honest replacing Klay is much easier than replacing Draymond just from a position perspective.
@@tylerterry179 A guy who can sometimes shoot the catch and shoot 3pt well, and play average (being generous here) defense is one of a kind? This is present day Klay we're talking about lol
True, but Dray need to shoot some more 3's like the pre-KD days. I remember the time when the only ones who wouldn't OR can't shoot 3's were Livingston and Bogut. everyone else on the roster could hit 3's, including Dray
I would love to see all leagues adopt a system where drafted talent gets the league to foot the bill during contract time. Everyone loves seeing talent come out of their own system. And I don’t think teams who draft well should be punished by the cap
You can’t run the core anymore is time to move sucks but it’s true. Draymond should be the first one to go. Poole will be back to himself. he doesn’t want draymond anywhere near him. That punch killed the warriors chemistry.
"Williamson's contract features a clause that states he will have weigh-ins throughout his deal to measure his combined weight and body fat percentage to ensure it doesn't exceed a total of 295. If it is not, the amount of guaranteed money in Williamson's contract can be reduced"
Windhorst is such a Warriors hater, "it depends on what is your definition of contend", winning a chip is the definition lol. The Warriors were spending like crazy paying their drafted and developed players, they weren't signing mercenaries and looking for all-stars in the buyers market like The Lakers or Clippers. And like Redick said the 2nd apron of the CBA doesn't kick in until the next szn, they aren't as strapped in yet.
Teams decline all the time. Steph is 36 next year, Klay and Draymond both 34. This is an old core that could barely get past the Kings. Next season, you would expect the Pelicans and Mavs to get their stuff together and make the playoffs. If Wemby is good right away and the Spurs overpay a star, they could be a high playoff seed too. I thin k it's a high probability the Warriors don't even make the playoffs. They barely made it this past season.
Poole is just a subpar Jordan Clarkson at best. well, he's still very young, isn't he? Maybe he can surpass JC... but that's still not winning you any chips.
I may be crazy. But I think Ben Simmons could replace what Draymond does on the court for GSW, not the “leadership” part. I think Kerr and Curry could get him right, but it’s too much unknown with Ben
It would be insane if the Warriors kept Draymond unless he'll stay for ~$15M. Draymond is one of a kind and at this point he isn't good enough for GS to keep playing the same way. Time to move on.
Draymond has his brain anchors the offense and the defense dray is one of the most underrated players of all time the fans might not see it that way but the players definitely do
@@zahirjohnson5260 surviving isn't the goal, and it shouldn't be yours either. Change your mindset and you can make the same type of money he makes, if not more.
@@johnwall3056 I agree with this. Terrific player, but given the new CBA, his desired salary, his decline in skills, and the now bad post-punch team dynamic, they need to move on from him. Don't get me wrong, he's still good, but not good enough given the constraints.
I mean the won and spoke about it already? What’s the point of keep talking about it I’m sure had the lakers/Boston many people would be tired of them talking about it by now as well
Wiggins missed a ton of games and Poole was a disappointment after getting his bag. Poole is a great backup during the regular season (insurance if Steph is injured) but come playoffs, better to have that money spent on someone who is actually contributing.
So JJ thinks for $27.6 million being removed off the books, the Golden State Warriors can't find 2-3 players that are younger, hungrier, and more athletic than Draymond? He's important but not impossible to replace. The way Kuminga has been looking this summer, they might want to let Draymond go and give Kuminga his minutes lol. Then draft Ivey, and sign 1-2 vet wings/stretch 4s.
Dray has always been a second pg for them behind Steph. they can’t just let him go. Steph and klay aren’t guys that can carry an entire defense like that
You don't understand cap space, if they let Draymond Green or other player walk they would still be above cap space by a lot, only able to sign veteran minimun player and well you won't find quality with that. The only way woul be to trade Jordan Poole for whatever value he has with that contract, i dont think other teams woul trade for Draymond and Warriors clearly won't trade Klay.
Ion even like Draymond like that but Kuminga can’t replace the intensity, energy, iq, heart, and chemistry that draymond has. Draymond is close to useless offensively but he never was tbh and he got this far off his defense.
Here's the issue even if GSW moved off that contract under the new CBA rules they still wouldn't be able to use their tax mid-level exception and would either a) replace Dray with Kuminga and based on the playoffs they don't feel confident in that or b) get a player with similar production at the vet minimum which is hard to find. Outside of that it's gonng come in a trade, and if Dray walks a team has cap space can get him and GSW won't have cap space so they'd lose him for nothing. If I'm a betting man Dray is gonna end up on this roster going into next year and he's mentioned he wants to retire a Warrior so he's going to get paid!!
Any team would be INSANE to trade a top 5 pick for Zion. Pels went from a injury prone dude to a living breathing injury. No one is going to pay Draymond more than the Warriors. His game works EXCLUSIVELY because they have those shooters, and because they have really weak other front court guys. If you can't shoot like that, and you have guys in the front court that take up space and need the ball, Draymond is a 10 mil a year guy statistically on your team. Warriors try to run it back with just Kuminga, Looney, and Wiggins, teams will just go to the rack over and over and outrebound them every single game, and the Dubs offense will just consist of Curry and Klay dribbling around to get their own 3s. JJ is right, in 2 years you can dump Poole and one or 2 of the other forwards.
Even when GS won the championship against Boston. Draymond wasn't the reason. Considering how toxic he was this season and how his stats weren't anything to write home about, they need to trade him while he still has some value.
ESPN is so stars oriented that they dont now how to deal with the DEN victory.. You could analyse Jokic passes, analyse Miami zone defence- there i so much, I would appreciate as basketball (not only stars) fan.
Draymond has been their second most important player in all 4 rings, of course they need him. The Zion situation is tricky, it would suck to move on from him and then he matures and remains healthy and you regret it forever.
Problem is, if getting traded is the impetus that makes Zion finally start taking care of his body, then that still doesn't mean keeping him does anything but waste 4 more years of your entire roster.
@@o.gparamount3099 they were a defensive dynasty, I am a 100% sure that removing green would have hurt waaaay more than removing KD (since they already had Curry and Klay to carry the offense)
Draymond has been exposed since he was still averaging a triple single when Stephen and klay were hurt and then when they made it back to the finals he had to be benched. If they want to keep him sign him to a veteran’s minimum and have him come off the bench
I don’t think anyone outside of GSW fans think the KD move was remotely good for basketball. There is nothing impressive with adding a top 3 player in the world to an already championship team and completely ruining the parity of the league. 2017-2019 were some of the most boring and predictable seasons ever.
@@mattbedrosian5298 The new CBA is coming in so many years after KD left the warriors though. While preventing super teams is good for the game, it's also crazy that the league is trying to punish teams that are drafting and/or developing well by forcing them to not be able to pay their own stars as well. And it's not like it'll only affect the warriors, every contending team that has to pay their own stars will soon run into this issue, like with the Celtics and their upcoming issues with paying Brown on top of Tatum. And then what about further down the road if say the Grizz or OKC continues doing well and have to pay all of their current young players big contracts? They won't be able to keep these players together and will be forced to trade, it's a big problem.
@@mattbedrosian5298If it was the most boring times in basketball why was viewership at a all time high and since 2020 the views has dropped tremendously 🤔
@@Augzzz exactly. People think that rule is hurting the warriors and it’s not. We got our rings already🤷🏾♂️ this is going to hurt denver, memphis, okc, Orlando, and whoever else has a lot of young talent that will eventually need to be paid. Warriors run is coming to an end in a few more years so hey we got what we needed. They’re going to have to change the rules when they see it’s not even hurting the warriors at all.
Sometimes he is not on the statistic chart but what the stats miss is his presence. Every player has a role on the team and he is the heart of the team. He is the leader. So without mr. Triple single the warriors won’t be a nba contender!
Draymond hid Curry’s defensive flaws throughout their entire careers together.. Draymond’s impact goes way beyond the stat sheet and without him, the Warriors wouldn’t have won any of their championships. Remember when Draymond was out for an extended period of time and the Warriors defense was getting torched? Exactly.
Draymond not going back to the warriors simply cause the warriors don’t want him. Unless he says something crazy like he would sign for the veterans minimum ain’t no way warriors paying him mid to upper mid dollars for him
There all BIAS in ESPN . They love there Draymond Green in ESPN and know that once Draymond retires, they want too be in good terms with him because Draymond will likely replace Stephen A once Stephen A leaves . And yes warriors can contend for a championship without Draymond.
Zion missed 203 games in 4 seasons that’s insane
whats insaner is that he got his full salary for each of those 4 seasons deposited in his bank account
How many did embed muss his first few years
@@moe4life I’m not for sure how many games Embiid missed but I have a sense that you know. Am I right?
@@varunaX imagine missing all that time at your job and you still getting paid. That would be love 😂
@Rickey just no he didn't play his first few years. People were comparing him to Greg Odon
Then embed finally got a little healthy then really healthy for him
Moriah Mills sees Zion as a generational bag 😂😂😂
Moriah Mills is Patty Mills wife.
@@Nazhuk Lmaoooo😂😂😂
Money can move mountains but can’t make that dude loose weight lmfao 😂
He is if he can stay healthy
@@FallenstarPR-f1wlol he also still faster, lighter per height, and can still do a 360 windmill, unlike you.
JJ looking out for his former teammate/fellow Duke alumni. Missing 203 games for the last 4 seasons is crazy to think about.
Joel embid and Ben Simmons had a similar start. Different strokes for different folks
@@FloydWhoElseTV I guess so.
@@JayPro4620 ish happens.
@@FloydWhoElseTV Embid and Simmons weren’t 40-50lbs over weight, completely different.
@@FloydWhoElseTV those guys weren’t NBA ready. Zion averaged 23pts out the gate. What’s the hold up?
Man, the level of discourse when it's Redick and Windhorst talking hoops is off the charts. 100x better than the loudmouth theatrics of Stephen A., Perkins, and Mad Dog. ESPN, more of this please! 🏀🔥
It's comments like this that keep SAS going so keep it up cus the BLACKS ain't going nowhere.
@@TLR1988 SAS, perkins and mad dog are clowns. But clowns enjoy watching other clowns.
@@TLR1988 Yo, what does this have to do with anybody being black. The three people mentioned are low in substance and low on anything useful.
Now let’s take your comment and apply it to nation building. I guess it’s why Europe is Europe and Africa is Africa
Agree
Trading Ingram will be a mistake.. I love Zion too but if they had to part ways I’d trade him for pieces to put around Ingram or another star to compliment Ingram… but my personal opinion is run it back one more year and if by the deadline it’s not looking good then part ways
Agreed regarding Zion.
No question that BI is the guy they need to build around
They're tired of Zion. It especially reached a head when he was cleared to play in the post season last year, and he didn't.
If I'm the Pelicans I would not trade up for that Rookie Scoot no
There’s no way to justify giving Draymond a max contract, or anything close to the max.
Casual
These teams need to stop buying millions for potential. It encourages players to be lazy and sloppy when they’ve secured the bag.
@@SwissChriss lol no he’s dead right.
4 rings and he carries their defense.
Agreed
They do need another big though to contend with the Jokic and Embiids of the current NBA. Draymond as a center isn’t going to cut it anymore in 2024.
Litch give us a big mannnnn
The players were dumb to agree to that new CBA, now in order for championship caliber teams to stay together players are going to have to take pay cuts to keep the team intact. Figured the owners would go after the players for all the games they miss nowadays.
I can’t believe they actually negotiated that. When CP3 was president he was killing it in the negotiations.
@@marcusgoff7347who’s president now?
@@kookiehughes8940 CJ McCuckllum
@@marcusgoff7347 The Baseball union is the best. People were upset about that 1994 strike but looking back now they were smart to not let the owners impose a salary cap. Also if it weren't for the strike MJ would have never quit baseball and come back to the Bulls.
Drafting is about to become irrelevant. The moment the player displays greatness, he's understandably going to sign with a team offering him the most
NBA and team really need to allow all teams to have a partial exemption on luxury tax paid on drafted players. I don't see the value in punishing a team because they did what they were supposed to do and find players that win championships.
What are you smoking? Rookie scale contracts are already tiny.
There’s value when you’re the team not winning. These rules are made by majority and the majority for the past near decade have been losers at the hands of this warriors team. Of course they won’t care about what should be or what’s right. They just want to drag them down so these trash teams have more of a chance
Draymond honestly would be the perfect fit for the Celtics. Brings defense, playmaking & toughness
He hates us Boston fans. We don't want him. He stay right where he is.
@@itsme3kLMFAOO you boston fans are such crybabies. Yall would be smart to want him on your team
@@itsme3ktoo bad it’s not up to you buddy
@@itsme3k “we” as if you are gm
@@christopherlee8499as a Celtics fan . We Celtic fans come as one
If draymond goes, i'd love to see warriors sign porzingis. dude's back, had an awesome season.
This was the year that the Warriors’ “big 3” were no longer good enough to compete for a championship. The only way this team can build itself back up is by adding more key pieces, which can only happen if at least two of them agree to take less money. No team can afford a $500 million payroll, especially one that can’t win it all.
Klay was the one who dropped off in this year's playoffs. And next year all three will be older. I don't see the Warriors winning any more titles with this roster.
shoula drafted lamelo
@@richatlarge462Reformulating your sentence. It's not that they won't with this roster. It's about the payroll. Obviously, this 2023 roster wasn't enough. That roster is obviously not gonna win it because they didn't. It all depends on what they can put around Curry. Not what they put because it's not on them 100%. It's what they are allowed to put around him.
@@Jorge_Ambruster Makes sense.
Nah they were missing a big man. U couldn't be more wrong
bejlica and Otto porter jr were major loses that the warriors never recovered from. The warriors need size, so get rid of everyone except the starting line up of steph, klay, draymond, wiggins and looney to get a line up that can play defense.
That’s how I feel too. I think this team can contend with some size next year. For at least 2 more years
Giving wiseman away for cash and chips was there first mistake. He’s a 7 foot big that can rebound and shoot. Which is exactly what they need on that team no
@Daniel Amarillas not consistent enough with some much needed time to mature, time that the Warriors 3 primary stars don't have
@@tn3lxxxv more like the warriors weren’t patient enough. It’s his 3rd year and they expect him to be Marcus camby or Lamarcus Aldridge or Chris Bosh. They didn’t have the best patients with developing James for some reason. Like it’s his 3rd year coming back from the rehabbed ACL knee, he wasn’t gonna be that dude he’s was supposed to be this year, it’s common sense. If they would’ve waited and were patient enough like any other team, by next season. He probably would’ve been fine, but no they want the prime version of Weismann. I don’t think GS realized how much of a good talent they got rid of for practically nothing. Can’t draft a high pick and expect him to play big time like Steph, klay and dray. That was the first biggest mistake made by bob myers, that’s isn’t with GS anymore. And look at Moody Kuminga and Poole. Poole showed what he can do but not consistently. Moody and kuminga are soils but , barley played in the playoffs, both clearly aren’t fully developed and have been in the league longer than weiseman. Im still shocked the warriors choose kuminga and moody over weiseman. It’s clear that they’re looking to trade them but both don’t have any value and aren’t fully developed or anything.
@@tn3lxxxv golden state needs to hire new coaches and staff that want to develop players, not give up on them
Good dialogue with JJ and Brian
The Warriors offense improved by +5.8 points per 100 possession with Draymond on the court and their defense improved by +7.3 points/100 poss. Combustible personality or not, the Warriors need him. If he's gone and not replaced, I agree they have no chance.
Without Draymond Green on the warriors, the team is NOTHING
Zion been working on his cardio according to Twitter
All men suck and women even with hairy armpits are the best also accoring to Twitter
Never had twitter, feel sorry for sad “look at me” losers that use it.
@@jimsim8736That’s rude.
Yeah Zion has been working on his cardio at the Golden Corral.
Gosh I appreciate people who talk about facts: contracts, stats, etc.
It’ll be real lame if the new rule is really aimed at making the Warriors break up
But it is. Every complication that the new CBA adds basically harms the way the Warriors built their roster: drafting really well, trading well and resigning those people.
Definitely aimed at them by other greedy owners who aren't willing to spend big on their own team. Crazy that this rule passed as all contending or winning teams will soon find themselves with this issue down the road
@@Augzzznot every owner can afford the luxury tax. Steve balmer can
@@Augzzz Exactly. You hear Bobby Marks' off-season guide for the Nuggets and they will have issues for sure in summer 2024 to keep it together. To me it seems stupid because the new rules are going to harm smaller teams even more since they won't have it easy to go over the luxury tax not even once because it will be more harmful, and it's a set of rules that does punish those who built through the draft. You will find more big city teams building squads to win in 3 years or less and blowing it up to retain just a small portion to tey again. And the rest won't be able to keep up because they won't be able to keep their players for long before the taxes kill them...
@@UghBunny Actually a lot of the owners that CAN afford the tax are also the ones not spending lmao. Like the Blazers and Mavs, which have the power to spend yet are not willing to put a good contending team around their franchise player
Please more of these two analysts 🤩
Yeah bro they can’t contend if they don’t have the guy who hits people in the nuts, humps people on the floor, stomps on people, and punches his own teammates, how will they ever survive?!
Draymond really is there defensive anchor and hype man
JJ is protecting a relationship, they can win without Draymond
no they can’t
draymond brings so much to the team
WHEN he Plays is the KEY Point.. he Hardly ever Plays.. Looking like a Bust, to Me!!
I wish the Warriors would let Kuminga play. He might not play as good of Defense as Draymond but I feel like he would make up for it on the offensive end.
can we stop talking what hey should gone it over now let movie on
@@lil_panda3340 why is it over there's still next year and the year after. He's just talking about giving Kuminga minutes
@@Nazoto this year over who now if he not on this team next year
I wish the lakers would have kept Brandon Ingram, he's a straight hooper , very skilled.
Draymond does 3 main things; defends / is able to switch on 1-5, has most assists on warriors 22-23 (500), and setting screens for the motion offense.
Yeah, basicslly saying any8ne can do that. He's way over rated. Only appears to have valu because he rides the coat tails of good players
So can Dillon brooks. “Gimme 40”
JJ isn't realistic. The Warriors paid Klay a max while he was injured and didn't play for 941 days. Time for him to do something back and take a paycut..
That's why I'm not mad that zion didn't play last year. Why give the pelicans a free year when my contract is not guaranteed next year
Because he has missed over half the games he has been eligible for and he’s in the prime of his life so only downhill from there 😂
Poole for Brogdon and Pritchard done deal
*Zion has been injured every year since his senior year of high school.*
He’s deadweight. Nola has paid him for nothing. Time to cut their losses and move on.
@@baldeagle4710 lol its going to be awkward for you people when he plays 70 games next year
@@JaysonT975 I hope he does too. But with all the drama with escorts, injury, and becoming a new dad it’s gonna be tough to focus on basketball again
escorts😭😭😭😭
Draymond is just that IMPORTANT!
Yes....he needs Curry an the rest of the Team needs him believe it or not .but Contracts Contracts ect.........😮😮😮😮😮
Draymond gone is a great move
Absolutely Correct!!!!
I think Draymond will stay. He seemed ready to leave til they got eliminated and then literally said he wanted to start and end his career as a Warrior. I think he and Klay should take pay cuts, and Poole should get traded among the rest of the bench who seems jealous of the starters mins. They need a bench who understands their roles instead of competing and sabotaging the chemistry (which is why they lost this year). I feel they tried to rebuild the young upcoming team too soon- Steph still in his prime , he just needs a supporting cast. They youngins don’t understand that so they should leave
Indeed all this noise about him leavin the dubs when he literally stated he will remain and retire a dub
@@boondockbwoy14they are hater green is big key to the warriors
Dudes. Draymond isn’t a Hall of Famer. Stop that nonsense talk. He’s not even playing at Al All Star level anymore. His stats have been declining yearly. He shouldn’t be considered as anything more than a triple single point player.
HERE WE GO WITH THE TRADE TALKS 😂 right after the Finals 😢
ikr, they can't even let Denver savour it a little 😭😭😭
@@mauriciohiure2192 Exactly! Smh
Here we go talking about The Warriors
It's called the off season. It happens every year
ESPN realizes they can't talk about Lebron forever. It's starting to shift finally.
I haven't seen JJ concentrate this hard since he played in the league 😂😂😂 look at 2:30 to 2:42 he's locked in😅
Fr dude was locked in 👀
If I'm running the Warriors, Steph/ Klay/ Draymond are never wearing another team's jersey. All the success on the court has been built around those 3 playing together. Everyone else is tradeable (except MAYBE Looney at this point, and probably still him too).
Klay need to be aware that hes no longer the player he was, and take a pay cut to help the team putting up more help. He isnt worth 40mil/year right now, not even 30mil if I am completely honest.
@@tigera6 klay don't need to do nothing but collect his check you tripping bruh 🤣🤣
@@sgtslaughter573 Collect his check while watching GS losing because hes shooting 30% from 3s?
I would love to see Draymond go to Dallas . Draymond could sign a long term deal 3 play 7 coach.
And if he could bring Klay with him.
draymond won't work with Luka, they both need the ball. luka hates passing, and that's almost all that draymond can do. totally opposite play styles.
Zion is a 2 time Allstar that averaged 26 points per game on 60% from the field and had his team 1st in the West before getting hurt, he is only 22 years old Zion will learn from his mistakes 💯
We’ve said this for years. He has the talent but can’t stay healthy and motivated. Simple as that
He is a liability given his decisions off the court and combine that with his injuries he will be a perpetual all star and only ever win if he plays with an actual super star
Zion career is OVER!!!! When does he play at least 10 games in a row. Stop it
Zion is a bust. He's proven to be unreliable. I'd take Scoot all day
I love your confidence that you have for Zion!
JJ keep it up with these takes, gone be sitting across from Shannon and Max in a minute
If this is true then we’re saying Draymond was more value to the Warriors than KD.
I think if they can win titles without KD, they can win without Draymond. Won’t be easy, but I think they can find a way
Draymond is more valuable than kd when it comes to Golden State,
Logically your statement doesn't make sense. Warriors won without KD sure, but in this situation we are talking about the warriors winning without both KD and Green, not just without KD.
They will trade Ingram Zion and Henderson would be insane 1:25
Draymond is essentially golden states point guard. He brings the ball up and initiates the offense the majority of the time.
No he doesn't lmao
@@cjbaxley1663 He does or do you think the 7 assists he averaged this season came from nowhere?
Draymond Green has cost the GS Warriors a couple of NBA championships. In 2016 he got a flagrant technical foul and was suspended for a game which possibly cost GSW a title. In 2018 he told Kevin Durant that GSW didn't need him to win a championship. He created bad blood between himself and Durant. Durant left. In 2022 he sucker punched Jordan Poole creating another tension between himself and Poole affecting Jordan's play. Draymond's performance is going down and he's past his peak. Considering all this I would let Draymond walk if he wants to get a big contract.
Didn't look like Draymond was indispensable when they were winning in the NBA Finals with Draymond being played off the court. The new acquisitions will need to be very good complementary pieces, but this notion that he is irreplaceable is just more propaganda to undermine Curry.
Yes it did he had the worst finals perfomance in history for a starter before the last Game of that series lol
Green is so ovarated. His stat lines suck.
If Green is replaceable, why isn’t he gone after being the reason for them losing in 2016, he pushed out KD and eventually punched Poole. Your emotions don’t reflect Golden State decisions 😂😂😂
Thank you rt@ propaganda to undermine curry
This is a ridiculous take smh
Zion gonna need a super max with all those kids he got coming 😂
I know Zion has been a let down but I still wouldn’t trade him he’s too good
spot on. you don't trade players of that calibre unless they have fallen out with the team
He doesn’t even play though
@@brendanhunter389 i literally jus said he’s been a letdown I know he doesn’t play but he’s jus too good to give away.
Facts, you don’t trade him unless the Spurs offered you that #1 pick. That’s the only scenario where the pelicans should give up Zion
It doesn't matter how good you are if you don't play.
Green holds the warriors back
There are so many defenders out there that would be better for the Warriors than Draymond has been for years now. I get Draymond is a big internet personality so JJ feels the need to defend him to keep his reputation up. But the idea that they can't replace Draymond because he's the "heart and soul" of the warriors is just a ridiculous trope that the Media creates to build a fantastical aspect to their dialogue. Steph is the soul on and off the ball to this Warriors squad and has been since Klay went down from his ACL, he is just not as willing to stamp on peoples rib cages and punch a team mate as Draymond. Saying otherwise seems like we're being hyperbolic about Draymond like he's a makeawish kid that needs compliments.
100% agree
Wish they would talk about warrior's abit more and how messed up their payroll has been/is.
Ive never understood supermax contracts. It just guts teams payroll.
I would trade klay because his contract is crazy, and poole. That would take $71mil off their payroll, and give you $41 mil to add a good player and some depth ,and keep them under that tax apron.
A trade that I think would be really good for gsw would be miles turner and buddy hield for klay and 2025 first round and 2027 first round.
Klay has an expiring contract and Poole is making $87mn for the next 3 Seasons;
Poole's contract isn't as bad as it seems.
Not when players are making $40-$50mn per.
Andrew Wiggins extension was pretty 'cheap' also.
It's Curry's contract that is out of this world...but it's Steph.
Good job JJ looking out giving a great take on Zion Duke alumni true professional
You're right. How else could they find a triple-single player with anger issues who Jokic would absolutely dominate😂
Jokic got owned by DRaymond last time they met in playoffs dufus
@@kevinmclain6741 Dude I'm too old to teach.. Open your eyes and educate yourself. And do it afar😘
@@ugurcangegin7708 No thanks. I don't need to learn idiotic opinions. Cheers!
Guess you don't watch Warriors basketball.
Haven’t watched first take in a while, ive been watching skip and shanon but i havent seen them upload anything for the past two days now. Is the show over for undisputed?
In my opinion, Draymond's antics have finally stacked up enough to erode the culture of the Warriors. Even if he's still considered to be of some value, the Warriors need a fresh start with a scoring big man.
Draymond isn’t going anywhere now Jordan Poole on the other hand ✋🏽 may be on way out the door 🚪
@@angelaburress8586 That may be the case, but I think Poole had more upside than Draymond.
Trade Poole and Draymond for Zion. That's a championship team
@@stoneaged5064 just for Zion to never play
@@marlunox2811 he does not. As much as Steph is the system, so is draymond. There is two sides of the ball. There would be a BIG hole left by draymond. Poole isn’t reliable therefore replaceable.
Joel Embiid had the same conversations around him and no he is a bonafide superstar. Hold him accountable but trust in his growth. Zion is amazing
Thank you JJ for recognizing NC’s own Brandon Ingram. He, not Zion should be the centerpiece.
Love JJ
I really like JJ. I really hope he can learn the politics. He’s usually the smartest in the room… if he can add warmth, he’s a stud. I hope he doesn’t intimidate them too much and block his path to dominating this space. Cheers to JJ Reddick 🎉
Noooo, I don't want that. Not knowing the politics is the reason why we love JJ
Smartest in the room? He might sound smart but most definitely not he’s a duke joc basketball player he’s only just jumped into the media world he has no media credentials or degrees 😂
@@danieltatum4262lol, the way you guys hate on Duke though. Grow some self confidence and a personality outside of hating a college basketball team
He’s gonna end up like max
Well he needs to stop.being super player friendly, any way still ducking that logo (Jerry west) smoke
Truth is, if the warriors want to win multiple more championships, Draymond needs to go. Too expensive, not a shot blocker, doesn't get steals, his positioning on defense is good, but he's lost a step and isn't getting younger. Draymond also really messed up the team chemistry in that locker room, you could see it all season. Draymond needs to go, i'd trade him now and you might actually get something for him.
This wont be popular but as a Warriors fan I actually think Draymond has a longer shelf life than Klay at this point. If we are being honest replacing Klay is much easier than replacing Draymond just from a position perspective.
Do you hear yourself ?? 😂 klay is one of a kind. Draymond can be replaced.
@@tylerterry179 A guy who can sometimes shoot the catch and shoot 3pt well, and play average (being generous here) defense is one of a kind? This is present day Klay we're talking about lol
True, but Dray need to shoot some more 3's like the pre-KD days. I remember the time when the only ones who wouldn't OR can't shoot 3's were Livingston and Bogut. everyone else on the roster could hit 3's, including Dray
Draymond stopped being good on defense about 4 years ago
@@kelvinsanyaolu4899 then why did he make 2nd team defense this year ?
I would love to see all leagues adopt a system where drafted talent gets the league to foot the bill during contract time. Everyone loves seeing talent come out of their own system. And I don’t think teams who draft well should be punished by the cap
I pretty sure the warriors gon contend without Draymonds 4 points and 6 fouls....
and 10 missed layups 🤣
You can’t run the core anymore is time to move sucks but it’s true. Draymond should be the first one to go. Poole will be back to himself. he doesn’t want draymond anywhere near him. That punch killed the warriors chemistry.
Another box score watcher that don't know ball. U just read box scores like an idiot
"Williamson's contract features a clause that states he will have weigh-ins throughout his deal to measure his combined weight and body fat percentage to ensure it doesn't exceed a total of 295. If it is not, the amount of guaranteed money in Williamson's contract can be reduced"
Warriors not being able to content without Draymond isn't exactly a hot take. Its blatantly obvious
It is but the twelve year olds who think they know better than former players, coaches, hall of famers will always be hilarious
Lets be for real. Curry is the engine of the team. Not draymond. Without curry they are literally last place
Windhorst is such a Warriors hater, "it depends on what is your definition of contend", winning a chip is the definition lol. The Warriors were spending like crazy paying their drafted and developed players, they weren't signing mercenaries and looking for all-stars in the buyers market like The Lakers or Clippers. And like Redick said the 2nd apron of the CBA doesn't kick in until the next szn, they aren't as strapped in yet.
Teams decline all the time. Steph is 36 next year, Klay and Draymond both 34. This is an old core that could barely get past the Kings. Next season, you would expect the Pelicans and Mavs to get their stuff together and make the playoffs. If Wemby is good right away and the Spurs overpay a star, they could be a high playoff seed too. I thin k it's a high probability the Warriors don't even make the playoffs. They barely made it this past season.
Windhorst probably dreams of Molly and Malika or possibly Perk every night
Who was Kerr developing?
any segment without perkins is just higher quality, period.
To trade Poole instead of draymond is a horrible choice both short and especially long term
Say you are clueless about winning basketball without saying it. Lol
Agreed
Think the opposite is true
You’re absolutely clueless
Poole is just a subpar Jordan Clarkson at best. well, he's still very young, isn't he? Maybe he can surpass JC... but that's still not winning you any chips.
I may be crazy. But I think Ben Simmons could replace what Draymond does on the court for GSW, not the “leadership” part. I think Kerr and Curry could get him right, but it’s too much unknown with Ben
you may be onto something tbh as crazy as it is
Draymond is replaceable tf yall talking about ? He’s old, short and don’t have no type of offense when he on the court it’s basically 5 on 4
😂EXACTLY💯🎯
this is how stupid warriors fans are. literally the stupidest fans ever
Were you born in 2012 ?
Lmfaoooo I'm glad you resigned with Walgreen, because this ball stuff u are clueless
@@snakedoctor2048 nah I was born when your mama was trying to get abortion with you
Zion needs that commitment to the nba not to adult film actresses😂😂😂
Dude really got trapped by a hoe. Smh
It would be insane if the Warriors kept Draymond unless he'll stay for ~$15M. Draymond is one of a kind and at this point he isn't good enough for GS to keep playing the same way. Time to move on.
They'll keep dray and trade poole.
Draymond has his brain anchors the offense and the defense dray is one of the most underrated players of all time the fans might not see it that way but the players definitely do
Only 15m how could draymond survive
@@zahirjohnson5260 surviving isn't the goal, and it shouldn't be yours either. Change your mindset and you can make the same type of money he makes, if not more.
@@johnwall3056 I agree with this. Terrific player, but given the new CBA, his desired salary, his decline in skills, and the now bad post-punch team dynamic, they need to move on from him. Don't get me wrong, he's still good, but not good enough given the constraints.
He’s hurting them so much on offensive yea he gets assist but he can’t score he rufuses to shoot open shots and their 5 man can’t shoot trade him
🗣"The Warriors will be fine without Draymond Green. He is definitely replaceable." 💯
8:11 Windy got the fingers up. ☝️☝️
And just like that folks, everyone forgets about the Nuggets Championship and moves on to next season 😂
I mean the won and spoke about it already? What’s the point of keep talking about it
I’m sure had the lakers/Boston many people would be tired of them talking about it by now as well
Wiggins missed a ton of games and Poole was a disappointment after getting his bag. Poole is a great backup during the regular season (insurance if Steph is injured) but come playoffs, better to have that money spent on someone who is actually contributing.
So JJ thinks for $27.6 million being removed off the books, the Golden State Warriors can't find 2-3 players that are younger, hungrier, and more athletic than Draymond? He's important but not impossible to replace. The way Kuminga has been looking this summer, they might want to let Draymond go and give Kuminga his minutes lol. Then draft Ivey, and sign 1-2 vet wings/stretch 4s.
You’re taking away their playmaker! . He’s also a unique IQ player
Dray has always been a second pg for them behind Steph. they can’t just let him go. Steph and klay aren’t guys that can carry an entire defense like that
You don't understand cap space, if they let Draymond Green or other player walk they would still be above cap space by a lot, only able to sign veteran minimun player and well you won't find quality with that. The only way woul be to trade Jordan Poole for whatever value he has with that contract, i dont think other teams woul trade for Draymond and Warriors clearly won't trade Klay.
Ion even like Draymond like that but Kuminga can’t replace the intensity, energy, iq, heart, and chemistry that draymond has. Draymond is close to useless offensively but he never was tbh and he got this far off his defense.
Here's the issue even if GSW moved off that contract under the new CBA rules they still wouldn't be able to use their tax mid-level exception and would either a) replace Dray with Kuminga and based on the playoffs they don't feel confident in that or b) get a player with similar production at the vet minimum which is hard to find. Outside of that it's gonng come in a trade, and if Dray walks a team has cap space can get him and GSW won't have cap space so they'd lose him for nothing. If I'm a betting man Dray is gonna end up on this roster going into next year and he's mentioned he wants to retire a Warrior so he's going to get paid!!
Love the JJ wendi combo 💪
Any team would be INSANE to trade a top 5 pick for Zion. Pels went from a injury prone dude to a living breathing injury.
No one is going to pay Draymond more than the Warriors. His game works EXCLUSIVELY because they have those shooters, and because they have really weak other front court guys. If you can't shoot like that, and you have guys in the front court that take up space and need the ball, Draymond is a 10 mil a year guy statistically on your team. Warriors try to run it back with just Kuminga, Looney, and Wiggins, teams will just go to the rack over and over and outrebound them every single game, and the Dubs offense will just consist of Curry and Klay dribbling around to get their own 3s.
JJ is right, in 2 years you can dump Poole and one or 2 of the other forwards.
Why not !! Draymond at the Sac-of-tamatoes Kings....just a THOUGHT!! 😮😮😮😱😱🤴
Even when GS won the championship against Boston. Draymond wasn't the reason. Considering how toxic he was this season and how his stats weren't anything to write home about, they need to trade him while he still has some value.
Casual
@@jamarreid1082why’s he a casual for stating his opinion…
you do not now what your talking about
Steph and Dray are one of the best duos ever.
@coachbarn If that was true, why did Dray beg KD to join GS?
ESPN is so stars oriented that they dont now how to deal with the DEN victory.. You could analyse Jokic passes, analyse Miami zone defence- there i so much, I would appreciate as basketball (not only stars) fan.
Draymond has been their second most important player in all 4 rings, of course they need him. The Zion situation is tricky, it would suck to move on from him and then he matures and remains healthy and you regret it forever.
Not true because he was a liability during their 4th run and pretty much been on the bench. You can't keep Green and Poole, one has to go.
😂draymond was NOT the 2nd most important player
Problem is, if getting traded is the impetus that makes Zion finally start taking care of his body, then that still doesn't mean keeping him does anything but waste 4 more years of your entire roster.
@@mscooldeadly it's true for the 4th one it might have been wiggs, but he was still great for the most part
@@o.gparamount3099 they were a defensive dynasty, I am a 100% sure that removing green would have hurt waaaay more than removing KD (since they already had Curry and Klay to carry the offense)
We need a true center. They are making a comeback and we can’t keep playing small ball
Why are the Warriors rewarding Green when he KILLED the team chemistry BEFORE the title-defending season even started?!
It’s the end of an era for the W’s
Draymond has been exposed since he was still averaging a triple single when Stephen and klay were hurt and then when they made it back to the finals he had to be benched. If they want to keep him sign him to a veteran’s minimum and have him come off the bench
🤡
Lol feel it. No clue why anyone thinks he deserves a giant pay day right now
😂🤣😂
Imagine making rules just so the warriors can break up. But y’all say we’re done and it’s over. Lmao
I don’t think anyone outside of GSW fans think the KD move was remotely good for basketball. There is nothing impressive with adding a top 3 player in the world to an already championship team and completely ruining the parity of the league. 2017-2019 were some of the most boring and predictable seasons ever.
@@mattbedrosian5298 no cap
@@mattbedrosian5298 The new CBA is coming in so many years after KD left the warriors though. While preventing super teams is good for the game, it's also crazy that the league is trying to punish teams that are drafting and/or developing well by forcing them to not be able to pay their own stars as well. And it's not like it'll only affect the warriors, every contending team that has to pay their own stars will soon run into this issue, like with the Celtics and their upcoming issues with paying Brown on top of Tatum. And then what about further down the road if say the Grizz or OKC continues doing well and have to pay all of their current young players big contracts? They won't be able to keep these players together and will be forced to trade, it's a big problem.
@@mattbedrosian5298If it was the most boring times in basketball why was viewership at a all time high and since 2020 the views has dropped tremendously 🤔
@@Augzzz exactly. People think that rule is hurting the warriors and it’s not. We got our rings already🤷🏾♂️ this is going to hurt denver, memphis, okc, Orlando, and whoever else has a lot of young talent that will eventually need to be paid. Warriors run is coming to an end in a few more years so hey we got what we needed. They’re going to have to change the rules when they see it’s not even hurting the warriors at all.
Zion like that South Park episode when the basketball player legs blew up after a dunk
Theyre really gonna miss his triple single
& who’s gonna fill in the void for kicking nuts?! 👟💥🥜
Sometimes he is not on the statistic chart but what the stats miss is his presence. Every player has a role on the team and he is the heart of the team. He is the leader. So without mr. Triple single the warriors won’t be a nba contender!
Draymond hid Curry’s defensive flaws throughout their entire careers together.. Draymond’s impact goes way beyond the stat sheet and without him, the Warriors wouldn’t have won any of their championships. Remember when Draymond was out for an extended period of time and the Warriors defense was getting torched? Exactly.
@@samyelljackson1549 lol
@@topsykretts2264 he's a good role player. But a lot of players look good when you get the chance to play with durant curry and thompson
If GSW-SFW pay their players well, where do they cut corners? I thought J. Lacob was 1st class all the way like E. DeBartolo with the 49ers?
Draymond not going back to the warriors simply cause the warriors don’t want him. Unless he says something crazy like he would sign for the veterans minimum ain’t no way warriors paying him mid to upper mid dollars for him
Okay Mr Warrior hater
Dray is love in bay and more important the team wants him back and nobody cares for cry baby JP 😂
@@vida6247 nobody cares? warriors gave JP a fattttt contract you got him for a looong time.
10:00 windy almost broke hahahaha
There all BIAS in ESPN . They love there Draymond Green in ESPN and know that once Draymond retires, they want too be in good terms with him because Draymond will likely replace Stephen A once Stephen A leaves . And yes warriors can contend for a championship without Draymond.
That would not surprise me at all if that happens
Boy shut up. U talking nonsense
3 year 70 Million extension for Green
3 year 75 Million extension for Thompson
Steph not being able to win without Draymond sounds silly...
His game suffers without him.
@joceja23 how do you figure?
@@dereknunn2699Because they were 19-17 without him last year when they won. This year they were 3-6.
@joceja23 I've seen Dray without Steph and it was the Dub's worst season in recent years. I see your point though
Dude, majority of Steph points comes off a draymond pick or a pass from draymond. This guy…