Porsche Reinvents The Brake Rotor - No Rust, Low Dust, No Fade!

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  • Опубликовано: 16 июн 2020
  • Porsche Surface Coated Brakes (PSCB) are a brilliant new brake technology.
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    Porsche Surface Coated Brakes have a thin layer of tungsten carbide on the outside of the rotor. This tungsten carbide layer means no rust, significantly less brake dust, and they don't have brake fade typical of cast-iron brake rotors. The tungsten carbide layer is applied using high velocity oxygen fuel spray, and provides a rotor that lasts about 30% longer than traditional iron rotors. Better performance comes at a price, but they're about 1/3 the cost of carbon ceramic rotors. These PSCB rotors come standard on the Porsche Cayenne Turbo and Cayenne Coupe Turbo. Check out the video to learn all about Porsche's world-first brakes!
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  • @the_perigoso
    @the_perigoso 4 года назад +4104

    I'm an 11 on Mohs hardness scale after you pull out the whiteboard

  • @robmonthie9948
    @robmonthie9948 4 года назад +738

    “Engineers have no feelings, so no feelings were hurt.” Truest statement ever uttered!!!

    • @THEGAMINGHELP101
      @THEGAMINGHELP101 4 года назад +39

      As an engineer I can assure you there are plenty of bad engineers and scientists. Don't trust them all.

    • @THELOWBACKPAIN
      @THELOWBACKPAIN 4 года назад +11

      Tell that to the prima donnas at my work places lol

    • @akadoublea
      @akadoublea 4 года назад +9

      @humandxp nope. Empathy is the logical conclusion to a mental equation that replaces x=them with x=me

    • @sheshd
      @sheshd 4 года назад +2

      Not only that. You will be amazed at the responses you'll get returned. If you wanna get ripped a new one, go argue with an engineer! Aussie engineering school was honestly one of the most hilarious experiences of my life!

    • @robosullivan704
      @robosullivan704 4 года назад +1

      @@THEGAMINGHELP101 As an engineer, I totally agree

  • @kittenisageek
    @kittenisageek 3 года назад +740

    Loved the "They didn't realize engineers don't have feelings" line. I once took a psych class titled "Introduction to Personality." The professor was getting frustrated because this particular class was very quiet and not really responsive. From the front of the class he said, "Come on! Let your personalities show!" I slowly raised my hand and glanced around nervously, but.. when he called on me I said, "We're engineers, sir. We're here to learn what personality is."

    • @cesar19.5
      @cesar19.5 2 года назад +20

      👑👑👑😂😂😂

    • @microTrash28
      @microTrash28 2 года назад +2

      Yes.

    • @apesintanks162
      @apesintanks162 Год назад +12

      Underrated comment 😅

    • @rosomak8244
      @rosomak8244 Год назад +18

      Engineers have a personality. The stable personality.

    • @pault6347
      @pault6347 Год назад +3

      @rosomak8244 "He's right you know"

  • @popdansergiu6598
    @popdansergiu6598 3 года назад +596

    Now I know why people with Porsche never brake in traffic, it is too expensive.

    • @stijnvandamme76
      @stijnvandamme76 2 года назад +48

      Braking is not fuel efficient. I hate it, it contradicts my goal of getting somewhere fast

    • @kaefunq
      @kaefunq Год назад +36

      It's because they don't need to slow down for turns and you need to get out of the left lane.

    • @pault6347
      @pault6347 Год назад

      @stijnvandamme76 EXACTLY 😂😂😂

    • @JL-gg7ph
      @JL-gg7ph Год назад +3

      The other way around....No they ride the brakes because they have too much power for civilian roads, and the aged owners get scared that the vehicle is moving too fast. These cars' potentials are wasted on most of the owners.

    • @harryh536
      @harryh536 10 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@JL-gg7phwe don't buy cars to do what they can do, we buy cars to be happy knowing what they can do😊

  • @torontodriving
    @torontodriving 4 года назад +3784

    Thumbs up for "Engineers don't have feelings, so no feelings were hurt" XD

    • @evalonious
      @evalonious 4 года назад +1

      Yes! Mini Brent Spinner!

    • @boleycs
      @boleycs 4 года назад +18

      Thumbs up, realistic response to 32k brakes!

    • @stuartlongden2415
      @stuartlongden2415 4 года назад +86

      It reminds me of one of my favourite engineer jokes, An optomist sees a glass that is half full, a pessimist sees a glass that is half empty, an engineer sees a glass that has been overspecified by a factor of 2.

    • @kBitre
      @kBitre 4 года назад +6

      sound logic has no remorse but the uneducated nannies should feel bad but they have no shame unless it's their peers

    • @knumbrrr6146
      @knumbrrr6146 4 года назад +1

      Eisan= 0 feelings :)

  • @miffedmax
    @miffedmax 4 года назад +626

    Jason will develop the first white board brakes. They will cost $20.00 and outperform carbon ceramics.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +170

      Plus, you can color on them!

    • @generaldistrust
      @generaldistrust 4 года назад +5

      the *true* "WhiteBrakes"

    • @nicholaslau3194
      @nicholaslau3194 4 года назад +15

      @@EngineeringExplained too bad the color becomes white every time you brake

    • @aidanapword
      @aidanapword 4 года назад +18

      @@nicholaslau3194 ah finally... Now I understand what brake-fade actually is then!

    • @tamerabk8925
      @tamerabk8925 4 года назад +6

      @@EngineeringExplained I want to see a video explaining wether or not whiteboard brakes are possible and if they are possible how good would they be, yall agree?

  • @gwot
    @gwot 4 года назад +141

    When I worked at a Jaguar dealer, we had a customer that tracks his F-type, for fun not competitively. He changed his pads and rotors 3 times due to wearing them down on track in just a few years... they were carbon ceramic brakes, and surprisingly they're the same price as Porsche's! he basically paid for the car again, but this time just in brakes. I think it would be cheaper to take a hit on depreciation and just trade in the car for a new one than to replace carbon ceramic brakes

    • @stephensheppard3501
      @stephensheppard3501 3 года назад +3

      @420 Friendly they are more concerned with selling new cars than worrying about repair of used cars, they also would not be paying that price for the repair anyways.

    • @subscribeowikd3336
      @subscribeowikd3336 3 года назад

      Lol

    • @gwot
      @gwot 3 года назад

      @420 Friendly I wasn't in sales, reasons unknown to me, we check the cars for maintenance stuff after buying them, the used car dept pays for brakes/tires all the time.

    • @gwot
      @gwot 3 года назад +3

      @@stephensheppard3501 we do pay close to that actually, the mechanics still get paid the same amount, and our cost was only like 2k less than retail

    • @dbclass4075
      @dbclass4075 Год назад +3

      Due to that, some owners swap the pads to steel and then reinstall the original pads when it is time to sell the vehicle.

  • @CraftAero
    @CraftAero 4 года назад +77

    “Engineers don’t have feelings”
    I've been telling people this for YEARS,
    "I'm not broken, I'm an Engineer."

    • @stfu6397
      @stfu6397 6 месяцев назад +1

      GIGACHAD

    • @CraftAero
      @CraftAero 6 месяцев назад

      @@stfu6397 'strue!

  • @HartyBiker
    @HartyBiker 4 года назад +641

    Jason: Uses hammer to measure length.
    Me: "Ahh, I see you went to the Jeremy Clarkson school of engineering"

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +178

      If it can't be fixed with a hammer, it's too complicated for me to understand!

    • @aidanapword
      @aidanapword 4 года назад +38

      You nailed it right there. Ah no, sorry... I am being a bit of a tool.

    • @ErebosGR
      @ErebosGR 4 года назад +8

      Should've used a banana. A hammer's length is too ambiguous.
      /s

    • @simontist
      @simontist 4 года назад +5

      Clarkson actually has an (honorary) doctorate in engineering if you can believe it.

    • @roy04
      @roy04 4 года назад +7

      Meanwhile May is still organizing his tools

  • @GsRandom.
    @GsRandom. 4 года назад +619

    "I'll put a white board anywhere" - Jason explaining aerodynamic mechanics while in a freefall during a parachute jump. 202X

    • @imyourmaster77
      @imyourmaster77 4 года назад +4

      Lets make it happen

    • @dadillen5902
      @dadillen5902 4 года назад

      That is one way to keep the presentation short.

    • @SniperReady
      @SniperReady 4 года назад +1

      Wait until he gets an onlyfans

    • @PlXELPUNK
      @PlXELPUNK 4 года назад

      @@SniperReady I've got $5 on it

    • @youkofoxy
      @youkofoxy 4 года назад

      I was thinking: maybe he should throw a white board on his Miata.
      Imagine how much it would improve it's performance.

  • @friendslovecars
    @friendslovecars 3 года назад +106

    “That’s a level of baller I cannot comprehend” 💀💀

    • @HekiShavik
      @HekiShavik 3 года назад +1

      Hah, yeah, I liked that one too :D

  • @threedot141
    @threedot141 3 года назад +45

    This technology was used on bicycle rims for many years by a company called Rigida (renamed to Ryde). Their rims were called CSS (Cardbide SuperSonic - indicating the processes by which the tungsten carbide was applied to the aluminium rims. The wear rate was very low and the rims lasted much longer than normal aluminium rims. They did however suffer from brake squeal and somewhat inconsistent wet weather performance.

    • @JL-gg7ph
      @JL-gg7ph Год назад +2

      And nobody bought them because the performance and cost surpassed the need.

    • @themechanicaladvantage
      @themechanicaladvantage Год назад +1

      Great example and quite funny, Thank you for sharing.

  • @Balomis
    @Balomis 4 года назад +488

    "70% of brake dust actually comes from the rotors"
    I never would've guess that, I always assumed it was just the pads!
    Also, the best part about those price breakdowns, it that in 20 years when the Cayenne Turbo is worth like $10000 on the used market, the brakes will still cost $11000 to replace with OEM parts

    • @fuzzy1dk
      @fuzzy1dk 4 года назад +64

      makes no sense that 70% would be from the rotors, the data showed was 1500x the wear on pads vs. rotors on thickness, the rotors are no where near 1500x the area of the pads

    • @truantray
      @truantray 4 года назад +31

      Porsche says that. But his own data says pads wear 1500x greater than rotors, and dust comes from pads. Anyone knows dust difference between organic and semi metallic pads is huge.
      Also Porsche owners rarely buy their cars, they rent them, so they don't care about resale or any wear beyond 36-48 months.

    • @CED99
      @CED99 4 года назад +16

      Yes, if the pads wear 1500x the speed of the rotor, that's 1500 good reasons to expect the brake dust to be mainly pad

    • @Balomis
      @Balomis 4 года назад +17

      @@truantray I think y'all misunderstood EE, that "1500x" metric is specifically about the tungsten carbide rotors and the pads designed for them. Typical rotors are cast iron and the pads eat away at them significantly faster.
      Metallic pads actually produce more dust because they remove more material from the rotors, which is a byproduct of the increased braking performance.

    • @fuzzy1dk
      @fuzzy1dk 4 года назад +15

      @@Balomis the 1500x was for iron rotors

  • @jakobwest4811
    @jakobwest4811 4 года назад +493

    Those carbon ceramics cost more than my whole car to change.

    • @technobrend0
      @technobrend0 4 года назад +62

      32k could put you into a decent used Porsche too!

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +124

      Same haha, more than my Crosstrek or my MX-5 new, or both of them combined at present value. 😳

    • @mutechipmunk4825
      @mutechipmunk4825 4 года назад +33

      Honey my brakes are squealing!
      Don't worry babe, just go down to the dealer and pick a new one out!

    • @Jackinacox
      @Jackinacox 4 года назад +5

      And not a crappy car either!

    • @marcd7332
      @marcd7332 4 года назад +2

      Brendan Yup, you can get a 2015 macan for 20k

  • @philtechGT3
    @philtechGT3 Год назад +9

    Reaching 100.000km on my 2018 Porsche Cayenne S equipped with those PCBS brakes from factory and they still look like new (even with a lot of towing 2.2 tons). Disks look like new, brake pads are at approx 50%. I really like this technology

  • @dagandrefjeldstad3856
    @dagandrefjeldstad3856 3 года назад +22

    Lotus used Metal Matrix Composite (MMX) material for the brake disks on the 96' Elise. Mixing silica carbide into the aluminum gave the same hard surface. No wear, no dust, and excellent braking performance. The pad material attached itself to the rotor surface (a few micrometer thick), giving maximum adhesion friction, which you get if you have the same material on both surfaces. Material is constantly transferred between the disk and the pad back and forth during braking, resulting in the low wear of both pad and disk. The weight was as for aluminum, so very light compared to cast iron, reducing un-sprung mass. Aluminum conducts heat much better than cast iron and transfer the heat from the disk to the larger wheel mass and area. So temperature was about half of that for cast iron disks. Downsides were high production cost, and eventually metal fatigue issues from uneven thermal expansion of the different thickness of the boss and rotor when using such a hard and brittle material. Surface coating seems cheaper and better, except for the much higher mass of the brake disk with cast iron as base.

    • @mathiaskling6154
      @mathiaskling6154 11 месяцев назад

      Came to the comments just looking for someone to mention Lotus MMC brakes. Thank you!

  • @JohnGuzik
    @JohnGuzik 4 года назад +248

    Cost is inversely proportional to dust.

    • @RDMracer
      @RDMracer 4 года назад +4

      Better use that regen in the Taycan or you're gonna pay

    • @killer2600
      @killer2600 4 года назад +2

      Give me brake dust, at least then I can see where my money is going.

    • @DerSystematiker
      @DerSystematiker 4 года назад

      No. Just look at ATE ceramic pads. Affordable and almost dust free.

  • @INeedAttentionEXE
    @INeedAttentionEXE 4 года назад +1834

    “Engineers don’t have feelings”
    They lost them in college getting their degree

    • @kevinnorris6558
      @kevinnorris6558 4 года назад +31

      Jokes on you, I ended up changing my major

    • @dantheman1337
      @dantheman1337 4 года назад +69

      Sex can wait, I want to be an engineer

    • @Legend_Hunter_Original
      @Legend_Hunter_Original 4 года назад +17

      @@dantheman1337 @Dan E Garner lol its harder than you think...trust me I just got done lol

    • @joeyphoshowey
      @joeyphoshowey 4 года назад +33

      yeah. getting the degree is one challenge, getting a job and retaining it is another. School is the easy part. Engineering as a professional is tough work. Many of my friends graduated with engineering degrees and ended up getting jobs as contractors and engineering technicians. Had to work their way up into engineering positions.

    • @INeedAttentionEXE
      @INeedAttentionEXE 4 года назад +18

      @@joeyphoshowey Still is a rude awakening with how much homework you have to do compared to high-school or other college paths... so I'm told.

  • @mackenziefinnegan9160
    @mackenziefinnegan9160 4 года назад +4

    Love it! The last minute was greatly appreciated, you're the man

  • @jimscimonetti1457
    @jimscimonetti1457 3 года назад +2

    Your videos are amazing. Thank you so much for making them. I appreciate your work and the way you explain this stuff.

  • @marleybrown4554
    @marleybrown4554 4 года назад +517

    I like seasoning my cast iron rotors makes them last longer and I have a non stick surface

    • @RussianBotLvl
      @RussianBotLvl 4 года назад +5

      Lmfao

    • @jhsevs
      @jhsevs 4 года назад +52

      "Why I season my brake rotors instead of my brake pads"

    • @gavinhicks7621
      @gavinhicks7621 4 года назад +7

      jhsevs why did I understand this reference 😂🤣

    • @blackice7408
      @blackice7408 3 года назад

      @@jwalker7567 😂

    • @endrelien1511
      @endrelien1511 3 года назад +2

      I like to grease my brakes

  • @snactimusmaximus
    @snactimusmaximus 4 года назад +312

    “I’ll put a white board anywhere” : absolute madlad

  • @AdventureBrad
    @AdventureBrad 3 года назад +3

    Slide the wheel under the rocker for some added protection but looks plenty safe the way you have it if your not going under the car.Great videos, thanks!

  • @charliegrech5598
    @charliegrech5598 Год назад +21

    The majority your videos are excellent, as are your presentation skills. You present your topics clearly and in a concise, methodical manner. Additionally, the use of diagrams (as utilised by yourself) would enable even the less technically minded of your audience in assisting them in understanding the points your trying to get across. A+ to you.

  • @ivanmontoya9774
    @ivanmontoya9774 4 года назад +564

    "How do you wake up in the morning?"
    me: 4:17

    • @damianpasfield4338
      @damianpasfield4338 4 года назад +14

      This needs more likes

    • @zefrum3
      @zefrum3 4 года назад +2

      Ha ha

    • @liberty744
      @liberty744 4 года назад +3

      😂 😂

    • @KvltKvnt
      @KvltKvnt 4 года назад +17

      My guy that genuinely made me laugh. Thank you

    • @KvltKvnt
      @KvltKvnt 4 года назад +7

      Who are you even replying to? No one is even talking about anything mechanical here at all

  • @F1fan4eva
    @F1fan4eva 4 года назад +146

    "Engineers have no feelings, so no feelings were hurt."
    You need to put that on some merch and sell it, my man!

  • @jonsmall72
    @jonsmall72 Год назад

    Great video and I especially loved the explanation of how the coating was applied. Earned a subscriber. BTW - I follow a suggested practice of sliding the wheels underneath the axles as a backup in case the jack stands fail. Thank you and can't wait to watch the rest of your content!

  • @sheamartin8786
    @sheamartin8786 4 года назад +111

    Those brakes cost more than all of the cars I've owned combined

    • @lanceuppercut6168
      @lanceuppercut6168 3 года назад +5

      Same haha! xD

    • @Sundara229
      @Sundara229 3 года назад +8

      Exactly. A good, reliable car doesnt have to cost much. Everything beyond "just doing its job" is pure luxury honestly.
      Blows my mind seeing teens and young adults spending all their earnings on a used Audi just to sell it 2-3 years later for next to nothing because they couldnt afford maintenance.

  • @paul_109
    @paul_109 4 года назад +749

    Porsche Owners with Carbon-Ceramic Brakes: *Brake at a redlight*
    Also them: "I'm never gonna financially recover from this"

    • @ernestoruiz4946
      @ernestoruiz4946 4 года назад +4

      LMAO

    • @JS-nt3cn
      @JS-nt3cn 4 года назад +21

      Carbon ceramic rotors last about four times as long as iron rotors.

    • @ck867
      @ck867 4 года назад +28

      J S - J S and cost 13.7x more than iron rotors. Probably not required on a Cayenne 🤷‍♂️

    • @jeremijakrstic1968
      @jeremijakrstic1968 4 года назад +22

      @@JS-nt3cn 4x2k is still less than 30k.
      2k for brakes still hurts.
      Porsche is not for regular customers.

    • @babybirdhome
      @babybirdhome 4 года назад +15

      I had a friend who owned a 928 back in the late 80s. He said "it's an amazing car to own for 6 months. He said that was about as long as you could afford to drive it before the maintenance costs would bankrupt you or you'd have to sell it so cheap that it would be a nearly total write-off. So nothing has really changed.

  • @PatsGarageOnline
    @PatsGarageOnline 4 года назад +85

    "Engineers don't have feelings ... so no feelings were hurt." 😂 I love this! In fact, I actually need to start thinking and using this. Especially for some of the comments and DMs I receive.

    • @sypernova6969
      @sypernova6969 4 года назад

      yeah. maybe Jason could make a t-shirt... :-)

  • @artkaboom
    @artkaboom 3 года назад

    Thank you, I watched because I wanted to learn about the new brakes and you did a great job! keep up the good work!

  • @philipwatkins8157
    @philipwatkins8157 Год назад

    Brilliant - I love your character, demeanor and presentation, so professional in a concise and intelligible format (and of course interesting).

  • @Spiritdreams
    @Spiritdreams 4 года назад +117

    So for carbon ceramic brakes, the replacement parts cost half of the price of a standard Porsche Cayenne, the car where the brake sits on. It is more cost effective to buy a brand new Cayenne and sell your old one than replacing the brakes.

    • @404nobrakes
      @404nobrakes 4 года назад +25

      This is literally the printer model of business. Implying that the car is somehow disposable

    • @hoonaticbloggs5402
      @hoonaticbloggs5402 4 года назад +7

      Saurabh Kulkarni
      That’s exactly what they are planning

    • @cedricfranzen8558
      @cedricfranzen8558 4 года назад +54

      any car in parts is stupidly expensive... a couple years ago I read an article in a car magazine that did the math on how much a complete car would cost in replacement parts. They used the most sold car in my country, Germany, the VW Golf:
      a well equipped VW Golf from the dealer, costs about 30,000€
      the same Golf in OEM replacement parts (no labor) costs over 250,000€
      now you know where the real money is made...

    • @tomtaietot
      @tomtaietot 4 года назад +1

      @@cedricfranzen8558 Seems interesting .... but it s a LOOOT OF MONEY (i was expecting like 100-150l). Anyway - did you find the article or something similar on the internet ?

    • @autotempest
      @autotempest 4 года назад +4

      Or just put on iron rotors, which is what most owners do at that point.

  • @thatcopenguy
    @thatcopenguy 4 года назад +163

    Imagine buying a 2nd hand Cayenne in 10 years for $32k and the dealer says the brakes need replacement...
    for another 32k lmao

    • @autotempest
      @autotempest 4 года назад +7

      nbd - slap on a set of iron rotors and you're good

    • @smanzoli
      @smanzoli 4 года назад +4

      NEVER EVER buy from the dealer... so much freat OEM parts all around, great quality, 10% of price

    • @thckitchen434
      @thckitchen434 4 года назад

      Ebay rotors for $150.... my wife aint tracking that lol

    • @briskan
      @briskan 4 года назад +2

      You say thanks and head to your indie who uses FCPEuro lol

    • @TheJanvicgwaps
      @TheJanvicgwaps 4 года назад

      Lmao

  • @cg7025
    @cg7025 4 года назад

    Love your videos, so informative, entertaining and awesome, one of the very best channels on youtube. Keep up the great work. :)

  • @LetzHaveALook
    @LetzHaveALook 3 года назад

    Weeks ago saw these on a Porsche and then looked different and special.
    Thanks for explaining.

  • @nicktune1219
    @nicktune1219 4 года назад +611

    Imagine trying to replace the brakes in 7 years and the insurance company totals your car.

    • @Dynoids
      @Dynoids 4 года назад +9

      Yooo RIGHT

    • @PigglyWigglyDeluxe
      @PigglyWigglyDeluxe 4 года назад +7

      Will this cayenne be worth less than $40k in 7 years?

    • @MyRuger
      @MyRuger 4 года назад +5

      @@PigglyWigglyDeluxe at only 51% insurance companies can claim totalled meaning will it be worth more than 80k in 7 years

    • @MT-mi4zz
      @MT-mi4zz 4 года назад +30

      I had an '83 Olds Cutlass that I always left unlocked. When someone asked me why I said "if they break into it by smashing a window, then it'll be totaled".

    • @truantray
      @truantray 4 года назад +4

      Or imagine the devaluation rate on this vehicle after 5 years.

  • @RusnakAutoDesign
    @RusnakAutoDesign 4 года назад +316

    "I'll put a white board anywhere" May god have mercy on your child's soul when you give them "the talk".

    • @ghshrksidhc5460
      @ghshrksidhc5460 4 года назад +3

      God with a capital "g" brother, don't disrespect the Lord, however slightly it might be.

    • @ralanham76
      @ralanham76 4 года назад +1

      OH OH oooohhh

    • @tips4truckers252
      @tips4truckers252 4 года назад +9

      Orileys

    • @RusnakAutoDesign
      @RusnakAutoDesign 4 года назад +4

      @Ivana Notyers I didn't capitalize because I didn't want to be blasphemous to His name on an internet joke.

    • @rotor13
      @rotor13 4 года назад +6

      @@ghshrksidhc5460 "God" as opposed to "god" means - "to whatever god you believe in, or if you don't believe in a god"

  • @justinmurray2515
    @justinmurray2515 3 года назад +13

    If someone called you an "engineer", that just means you've been too easy on us with the whiteboards recently! LOL

  • @DimitriBianco
    @DimitriBianco 3 года назад

    Great video! Thanks for sharing new technologies on the channel!

  • @RamtheCowy
    @RamtheCowy 4 года назад +89

    i loved the snark at the end about jacking safety

    • @e.lan.s
      @e.lan.s 4 года назад +2

      HAHAHAHAHAHA
      Jack safely

  • @GhostVvar
    @GhostVvar 4 года назад +71

    "I'll put a white board anywhere" probably the best part of the video!

  • @valeriyproklov2868
    @valeriyproklov2868 3 года назад +66

    This could be used in electric cars. Since they practically don’t brake at all using brakes, but instead use recuperation, the rotor becomes very worn due to rust. So then when you do need to slam on the brakes, you find that they don’t actually work.

    • @BixbyConsequence
      @BixbyConsequence 2 года назад +10

      I've been driving electric cars for 10 years and rusty rotors have not been a problem for me.

    • @snakeeyes9246
      @snakeeyes9246 2 года назад +9

      The Taycan Turbo has these coated brakes as standard.

    • @shawn576
      @shawn576 2 года назад +2

      Who drives their Prius at 200mph and then worries about brake rust and brake shudder? Electric cars are the same category as every other car - almost nobody drives them that hard.

    •  2 года назад +3

      @@shawn576 taycan, Audi GT, plaid...

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 Год назад +3

      I agree. I recently drove an EV owned by a relative who almost never touches the brake pedal (he uses strong regenerative braking and tries to drive "one pedal" almost entirely), and even though the car is driven daily the rotors were clearly rusty - I could feel the grinding when I used the brake pedal.

  • @onecreative1
    @onecreative1 3 года назад

    Great job on the video. I found it to be really informative and my favorite point was when you did the price comparison. I wasn't expecting that at all! Don't worry about the comments, there are haters everywhere on the internet. Thanks for the info!

  • @Bulgdoom
    @Bulgdoom 4 года назад +757

    When brakes cost more than the value of 90% of people's cars

    • @Theart0fstyle
      @Theart0fstyle 4 года назад +34

      Fixed* When brakes cost more than the value of 90% of said purchased car after 5 years of depreciation

    • @babybirdhome
      @babybirdhome 4 года назад +19

      @@Theart0fstyle I'm not sure what you think 90% of people drive, but it's a solid bet that it doesn't take 5 years of depreciation before they're worth less than $32k. I'd bet that about 60% of them are worth less than that by the time they've signed on the dotted line and driven off the dealer lot.

    • @m.pietro9087
      @m.pietro9087 3 года назад

      There’s a better world, but certainly it’s pretty expensive.

    • @Greenbearls
      @Greenbearls 3 года назад +6

      I could buy a new car or I can buy brakes.....

    • @TheSterlingArcher16
      @TheSterlingArcher16 3 года назад

      babybirdhome I think he was talking about the depreciated value of the Porsche’s these go on lol

  • @12beemer34
    @12beemer34 4 года назад +372

    "I'll put a whiteboard anywhere" Needs to be on a shirt!

    • @yakkoss
      @yakkoss 4 года назад +2

      Yes!!

    • @jeppoification
      @jeppoification 4 года назад +2

      You just potentially came up with a million dollar idea 😂

    • @krypticlock
      @krypticlock 4 года назад +1

      i'd buy it

    • @matejlieskovsky9625
      @matejlieskovsky9625 4 года назад +9

      On a shirt with an integrated whiteboard, obviously!

    • @eue4127
      @eue4127 3 года назад

      A white shirt (so he's putting the whiteboard on his viewers)

  • @BigBoyz33
    @BigBoyz33 4 года назад

    They look so damn good, that caliper is insane!!

  • @BoltBandicoot
    @BoltBandicoot 3 года назад +37

    For that amount I think I'll just keep dragging my left foot outside the door to stop the car.

    • @virginiawilliams6630
      @virginiawilliams6630 3 года назад +1

      Yeah my boots only$200 and that's pretty high for boots but I bet I will still come out cheaper than the carbon ceramic whatchamacallits I can buy a lot of boots for 30 some odd thousand

    • @johnwhodat8135
      @johnwhodat8135 3 года назад

      Hahahaha. Its cheaper to replace worn out shoe.

    • @user-dm4ss9iz3d
      @user-dm4ss9iz3d Год назад

      Underrated comment 😂😂

  • @Radio-cw9pr
    @Radio-cw9pr 4 года назад +197

    *“That’s a level of baller I’m not sure I can comprehend”*

    • @bwwilson1765
      @bwwilson1765 4 года назад +2

      Yeah, that's his best quote of 2020 yet. 100% in agreement as well.

    • @rockymonge4979
      @rockymonge4979 4 года назад +4

      I think, “...Engineers have no feelings, so no feelings were hurt.” (10:40) is a good contender!

  • @UncleChopChop22
    @UncleChopChop22 4 года назад +246

    That moment you have where you wonder if educating your audience on the technical marvel of automotive engineering is wasted on them because you have to film extra about how the f'n car is jacked up.

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +88

      It would have overwhelmed the comments section otherwise, as happened on IG/FB haha. Cool brakes though, yeah!?

    • @offdatgogo
      @offdatgogo 4 года назад +39

      Lol facts! I've worked on vehicles for 24 years and not once ever had a mishap lifting a vehicle. School and experience teach you how to safely do it. The keyboard mechanics are fascinating creatures indeed. 🙄

    • @Torchedini
      @Torchedini 4 года назад +18

      For me it was good enough that he said I'm not going under the car. Then its safe. Yeah the car might fall on its brakes and ruin a bit of equipment. But if you're not under it you're safe.

    • @jackdeniston9326
      @jackdeniston9326 4 года назад +10

      @@Torchedini Fall on the brakes and ruin the concrete, 9 vs 6

    • @timothymaggenti717
      @timothymaggenti717 4 года назад +3

      I think engineers do have feelings after working with them for over 30 years!

  • @karenbailey9912
    @karenbailey9912 3 года назад

    LOVED your explanation, but HUGELY APPRECIATED your costing of replacements.
    I am about to buy a Cayenne E-hybrid, so at the beginning of your presentation I was thinking “I might just spec in those tungsten carbide coated discs”!
    No way now - not even if I’m pulling a caravan. I’ll just use the gears and the regen function with braking (which should save the brakes anyway!).
    Great work!

    • @brianb-p6586
      @brianb-p6586 Год назад

      The advantage of ceramic coated rotors in a hybrid would be reduction in rusting of the lightly-used rotors. With any luck, they'll last as long as you keep the vehicle so the replacement cost would not be a concern.

  • @Rafalce
    @Rafalce 3 года назад

    Really cool way you record the video! Thank and keep it up!

  • @lashlarue7924
    @lashlarue7924 4 года назад +178

    ... And you probably can't change them yourself, because it would require dropping the engine and transmission and then extracting the rotors from the top of the strut mount through the exhaust manifold (which requires a special tool that only Porsche dealerships have). Join the Right to Repair movement and do the right thing.

    • @dustincady2811
      @dustincady2811 4 года назад +3

      😅 don't worry...I got it

    • @fredjr.8691
      @fredjr.8691 4 года назад +27

      freezeme360 *whooosh*

    • @malikemad4
      @malikemad4 4 года назад +12

      @freezeme360 "it's just a condom , slip it on " this is what ur mom said the night u were conceived

    • @court2379
      @court2379 4 года назад +7

      I guess some people here have never worked on a car. You made me laugh. As a mechanical engineer I have wanted to throttle the person that designed some of the junk on cars. I mean really, why is the fuel tank access port on top, where you have to drop the tank to get in it. I am pretty sure we have the ability to seal one placed on the side or bottom where it would take seconds to access. Or perhaps having to remove the exhuast system to replace an O2 sensor. Or remove the entire engine to replace an alternator, distributor, or AC compressor. The list goes on...

    • @SteinOnkel
      @SteinOnkel 4 года назад +5

      @@court2379 The access port for the fuel tank is on the top, so that you can access it regardless of how much fuel is in it.
      O2 Sensors mounted vertically can get too hot and if they are mounted from the bottom, condensation can collect inside of them, causing misreadings and failures.

  • @texdevildog9174
    @texdevildog9174 4 года назад +272

    My take away: diamonds are a 10 on hardness scale and I need diamond brake rotors.

    • @burnerheinz
      @burnerheinz 4 года назад +15

      Industrial diamond is fairly cheap don't know how to coat a brake disk in it though

    • @fleimlehner
      @fleimlehner 4 года назад +25

      @@burnerheinz cut the diamonds to be embedded into the rotor. Imagine flexing on people by saying your cars brakes has more diamonds then a rolly

    • @DigitalDiabloUK
      @DigitalDiabloUK 4 года назад +12

      Found the Dubai guy 😂

    • @romanromero5099
      @romanromero5099 4 года назад +2

      @@fleimlehner with a set of car brakes closing at 70000$ 😜😂

    • @MrNotorius5500
      @MrNotorius5500 4 года назад +2

      @@romanromero5099 For just one side.

  • @hotflashfoto
    @hotflashfoto Год назад

    I've seen other famous RUclipsrs who've let their family members raise a truck on just a jack and then their nephew is sitting under the rear suspension, working on it. If that jack fails, his legs would be crushed and his whole life would change. But they're also cavalier about safety in other respects as well, such as not wearing eye protection while grinding or drilling, not wearing seatbelts while driving on the open road, etc.
    You did just fine suspending the car for a photo shoot, and until you pointed out the hidden jack stand under the floor jack, I hadn't noticed it and I still wasn't concerned.
    And since you don't have feelings, then a sarcastic response to the haters out there shouldn't affect them, either. But nope, you kept it all above board and showed who's the bigger person. Kudos!

  • @goldtutch
    @goldtutch 3 года назад

    i saw these in a car park on a porsche of course and i couldnt believe my eyes they are huge!

  • @funkingonutz1170
    @funkingonutz1170 4 года назад +200

    Me deciding if I should splurge and get $150 "racing" brake pads
    Porsche- $32,000 take it or leave it

    • @jakegarrett8109
      @jakegarrett8109 4 года назад +8

      Not unless you’re racing... For street use the racing type are worse (like ceramic won’t work well until it’s hot, and bare metallic pads are really loud screeching and destroy rotors fast), so the best ones for regular street driving are the normal semi-metallic and maybe even some organic ones (but the organic ones are often worse). So unless you want poor breaking normally or screeching to the point your ears want to bleed then I wouldn’t suggest it.

    • @Yugetubes
      @Yugetubes 4 года назад

      What Jake said x 100.

  • @slartbarg
    @slartbarg 4 года назад +76

    "I'll put a whiteboard anywhere" sounds like a threat

    • @evdaman
      @evdaman 4 года назад +2

      No, it's a promise

    • @pthom1508
      @pthom1508 4 года назад +1

      "I'll put a whiteboard anywhere." - How Jason got a job in porn.

  • @jpabon18
    @jpabon18 3 года назад

    I agreed with your placement of the jack and stands... can't win em all! 👍

  • @briankennedy2932
    @briankennedy2932 Год назад

    Jackstand set inside/underneath the jack lift arm. Brilliant!

  • @zanewebber2205
    @zanewebber2205 4 года назад +154

    “That’s a level of baller I’m not sure I can comprehend” 😂

    • @mikeschaner5853
      @mikeschaner5853 4 года назад +1

      Exactly... I wouldn't spend $3,200 let alone $32k 😆 holy moly!!!

  • @funone8716
    @funone8716 4 года назад +103

    So, 30% longer wear life, 500% higher replacement cost. Sounds about right.

    • @taekwondotime
      @taekwondotime 4 года назад

      This is how Porsche makes their money. They KNOW Porsche buyers will have to have it for their car and will upgrade to it immediately when they release it.

    • @syproful
      @syproful 4 года назад +2

      You don’t own a Porsche just move yourself. You own it to enjoy yourself. And relieving someone from the burden that money can be. Is also enjoyment to some.

    • @r34p3rex
      @r34p3rex 4 года назад +2

      @@taekwondotime and the buyers will buy the car and never actually take full advantage of these brakes

  • @sbfhawk4343
    @sbfhawk4343 3 года назад

    Bravo Porsche !!! You are in the making of greatness!! Sure to see Acura, Lexus and other manufacturers start looking into these type of rotors !!!

  • @luismonroyRealtor
    @luismonroyRealtor 3 года назад

    “Let’s... brake it all down”... 🤣🤣🤣 thank you so much for existing and working hard at what you do!

  • @andrewgillis4977
    @andrewgillis4977 4 года назад +45

    9:41 “...that’s a level of baller I’m not sure I can comprehend”.

  • @OlguinInHD
    @OlguinInHD 4 года назад +96

    "I'll put a white board anywhere" lmao 😂
    Also, TEN piston calipers!? Had i been drinking coffee when I heard that, I would've spit it out.
    Love this channel!

    • @QuakeGamerROTMG
      @QuakeGamerROTMG 4 года назад +3

      "It has ten piston calipers"
      *Looks at my twin piston front and single piston rear calipers*
      Oh

    • @dimosk7389
      @dimosk7389 4 года назад

      they have been around for years...also aftermarket companies like Rotora and Endless make 12-piston calipers...overkill? definitely

  • @tfaubus
    @tfaubus 3 года назад

    always interesting, thanks Jason!

  • @MuhammadKhan-yl7mt
    @MuhammadKhan-yl7mt 3 года назад

    Very nice with thorough backup evidence.

  • @Loachie90
    @Loachie90 4 года назад +260

    You need to sell a shirt with “Engineering Explained” written on a whiteboard

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar 4 года назад +4

      And an actual flexible whiteboard surface on the back

    • @nicholaslau3194
      @nicholaslau3194 4 года назад +1

      a wearable whiteboard

    • @mrboodi
      @mrboodi 4 года назад +1

      Hear hear

    • @zokusharuuku1091
      @zokusharuuku1091 4 года назад

      With engineers have no feelings written on it

    • @davidc1961utube
      @davidc1961utube 4 года назад +1

      And a pocket large enough for several colors of dry erase markers...

  • @cardinaloflannagancr8929
    @cardinaloflannagancr8929 3 года назад

    Great video very enjoyable explanation of the differences. Made me think of a Jay Leno garage where he mentions on a McLaren I believe they advised he not purchase the carbon ceramic. Mentioning as you did their initial or cold performance. Saying on the street they typically on that car at least have worse performance since they stay overall too cool.

  • @frodemarkhus3692
    @frodemarkhus3692 Год назад

    You are a very skilled engineer.I love to look at your video`s

  • @gaboriloskity
    @gaboriloskity 4 года назад +251

    Scratches at level 8, with deeper grooves at level 9 😂

    • @skitzvitz
      @skitzvitz 4 года назад +33

      But will it survive a lighter to the scree...... wait , wrong channel.

    • @neillouiellana551
      @neillouiellana551 4 года назад +20

      But will it survive the bend test?

    • @BrandenMcNabb
      @BrandenMcNabb 4 года назад +6

      Collaboration!

    • @Steamrick
      @Steamrick 4 года назад +1

      Well, no. The entire point of Tungsten Carbide is for them to not scratch at level 8.

    • @niccadoodles
      @niccadoodles 4 года назад +3

      @@Steamrick it's a JerryRigEverything reference.

  • @ProfCringe
    @ProfCringe 4 года назад +167

    Bruh you beat me in rock papers scissors. Gg mate

  • @ChuckJ1944
    @ChuckJ1944 3 года назад

    Great job as usual!

  • @Entity2688
    @Entity2688 4 года назад

    They probably got this idea from carbide tipped saw blades. They used to be HSS, or ‘high speed steel’ but they were eventually upgraded to carbide tips as it’s a harder material, stays sharp for longer and cuts way better. It’s quite interesting how the same sort of thought was applied to brake pad, only instead of teeth it’s a whole coating.

  • @CartubeCoIl
    @CartubeCoIl 4 года назад +338

    No doubt, Porsche knows how to empty the pockets of it's customers.

    • @Davidb11421
      @Davidb11421 4 года назад +7

      I bet they couldn’t even if they tried

    • @bradleycooper5436
      @bradleycooper5436 4 года назад +21

      That's not what Porsche is about. If you like to circle jerk about we auto motive technology a Porsche is for you. You gotta pay play and a Porsche is the cheapest way to get super car tech

    • @jeffreypark
      @jeffreypark 4 года назад +3

      One of the few car companies that can get away with taking features away and charging you more for it.

    • @glennaguon5165
      @glennaguon5165 4 года назад

      When you buy any exotic car. Whether that’s Porsche or not. You don’t look at the price of the parts. You’ll be looking at other costs. Hell you’ll probably trade it in for a new one in a few years. You’ll be making enough to cover the cost of it in about a day or less.

    • @DDd-hr6mz
      @DDd-hr6mz 4 года назад

      They literally don't know what to do with themselves any more. Who NEEDS this?

  • @dimitrisbrailas3993
    @dimitrisbrailas3993 4 года назад +80

    Scratches at level 6, with deeper grooves at level 7

  • @vojvoda9060
    @vojvoda9060 3 года назад

    Nice explained man!!👍👍😊😊thank's

  • @KastaRules
    @KastaRules 4 года назад +60

    You make a good point. I am going to install those rotors on a DACIA SANDERO.

  • @miika6739
    @miika6739 4 года назад +389

    "Barely measurable"
    Laughs in machinist

    • @johnbean2596
      @johnbean2596 4 года назад +16

      lol right? 1 thou is considered large 😂

    • @cencoast_7.340
      @cencoast_7.340 4 года назад +22

      john Bean Then I’m massive...sweet!

    • @Mj-zc6sb
      @Mj-zc6sb 4 года назад +14

      .0008mm is .00003 inches which it 1 three hundred thousandths of an inch, largely different that a thousandth of an inch

    • @gonesideways6621
      @gonesideways6621 4 года назад +2

      @@johnbean2596 especially when you work to plus or minus .0002

    • @jamisusijarvi646
      @jamisusijarvi646 4 года назад +29

      @@Mj-zc6sb real machinist doesnt work with inches

  • @ArsenicGremlin
    @ArsenicGremlin 3 года назад

    Really well done man nice video

  • @f32440i
    @f32440i 3 года назад

    You are a genius, love your explanations. 👍

  • @denisilyayev1878
    @denisilyayev1878 4 года назад +40

    No Rust, Low Dust, No Fade, No Money left in your bank account! - Porsche

    • @isaachunt5799
      @isaachunt5799 4 года назад

      lol

    • @jaydunbar7538
      @jaydunbar7538 4 года назад +2

      Well if thats the extent of your bank account, you should probably not be buying a new porche regardless of the type of brakes on it.

    • @indahooddererste
      @indahooddererste 4 года назад

      I dont see the point bragging about money spend on your car if u can afford them. Go buy a cheap Car. Though i never see them complaining about Ferraris.

  • @markkaupas8921
    @markkaupas8921 4 года назад +161

    $32,000 for brakes! The transmission would be getting a lot of wear and tear from me using it to slow the vehicle down.

    • @soaringvulture
      @soaringvulture 4 года назад +20

      Imagine the cost for transmission service...

    • @FlyingGentile
      @FlyingGentile 4 года назад +5

      Sheesh i wonder what the labor is like 🗿

    • @soundseeker63
      @soundseeker63 4 года назад +16

      And those prices are WITHOUT labor.... The running costs of these cars are just stupendous! No wonder they are so cheap used lol

    • @onivlasbrony7432
      @onivlasbrony7432 4 года назад +6

      Various sensors were included in the prices, this isn't the pice of the carbon/ceramic discs alone.

    • @edwill1595
      @edwill1595 4 года назад +2

      The people buying these cars are certainly not worried about the maintenance costs..

  • @mikeshorsepowergarage7577
    @mikeshorsepowergarage7577 4 года назад

    Great explaintion! Great video!

  • @Srikar_kc
    @Srikar_kc 4 года назад +43

    Remember guys, when he says hardness, he means resistance to surface aberrations. Toughness is the resistance to impact.

    • @virginiawilliams6630
      @virginiawilliams6630 3 года назад +3

      Thank God this"engineer" clarified that for me

    • @davidc1961utube
      @davidc1961utube 3 года назад +2

      resistance to abrasion, not abberations. Spellcheck on?

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 3 года назад

      @@davidc1961utube How would spell check help there?

    • @DiscoFang
      @DiscoFang 3 года назад

      @@davidc1961utube And the irony (pardon the pun) is you even misspelled aberrations.

    • @davidc1961utube
      @davidc1961utube 3 года назад +1

      @@DiscoFang I turned spell check off ages ago precisely so that it would not change words like abrasion to aberration. If my fat and shaky thumbs and crappy spelling lead to mishaps, so be it.

  • @jasepoag8930
    @jasepoag8930 4 года назад +24

    You gotta look out, man. Sometimes those cars will reach out and drag you under before they simultaneously explode all their jacks.

  • @gtahoer
    @gtahoer 4 года назад +295

    Porsche has 4 pistons on one real wheel, my car has 4 pistons for the whole car 😂😂😂 I feel so broke right now

    • @dekoldrick
      @dekoldrick 4 года назад +53

      Lucky. My car only has two. Rears are drums =P

    • @ThePentosin
      @ThePentosin 4 года назад +4

      Are you driving a rotary?

    • @InsideOfMyOwnMind
      @InsideOfMyOwnMind 4 года назад +7

      @@ThePentosin It could have one of those skid brakes like homemade minibikes have that just rub the tire.

    • @ImSick0
      @ImSick0 4 года назад +1

      Mine has 4 on one real wheel too 🤷‍♂️

    • @ironymatt
      @ironymatt 4 года назад +2

      Prepare to feel even broker(?), cuz here's the actual piston count @ 5:12 that you must've missed first time around😳😳😳

  • @DrSmegheaded
    @DrSmegheaded 3 года назад

    We often use HVOF applied carbide for guiding surfaces in high temperature (above 600°C) applications. The surface is so hard that only grinding can be used for machining it - and even that is not ideal.

  • @ggerely
    @ggerely 4 года назад +5

    @11:50 I was waiting for you to casually kick the rim under the sill for the 4th safety :D

  • @DewwaKakkar
    @DewwaKakkar 4 года назад +20

    Having watched your videos right from your first year over here, helped me with my automotive engineering big time.
    Looking your channel grow to this scale after my education is done makes me very happy.
    Best of luck for the future!

  • @DJ.1001
    @DJ.1001 4 года назад +42

    Those prices are insane. You can buy an e36 M3 for the replacement price of these fancy porsche coated brakes.

    • @aygwm
      @aygwm 4 года назад +6

      But why would you want a 25 year old car? 😉

    • @christopherpedersen1820
      @christopherpedersen1820 4 года назад +3

      Even the regular iron rotors cost as much as a 325. If the price of the iron brakes is anything to go off of then all of those are marked up about 10x from what they should actually be.

    • @IDJMK
      @IDJMK 4 года назад

      A prime example at that!

    • @scratchy996
      @scratchy996 4 года назад +1

      Why are people complaining about the price of an exclusive brand ? It's supposed to be exclusive.

    • @truantray
      @truantray 4 года назад +1

      @@scratchy996 WTF is exclusive about Porsche? Every overpaid professional is leasing one.

  • @table5522
    @table5522 3 года назад

    Such a great job done !!!!

  • @marvinsamuels1237
    @marvinsamuels1237 4 года назад

    Great presentation as always.

  • @moekushnow7592
    @moekushnow7592 4 года назад +13

    "Super sonic speeds, above the speed of sound"
    made my day

  • @ciociola
    @ciociola 4 года назад +11

    I am an auto enthusiast from interior of Brazil and I use to study mechanical engeneering before I change to music education. I really love your Channel and aways see your vídeos as renewing my point of view. Thanks a Lot. Keep UP the Very good work you are doing.

    • @elukok
      @elukok 4 года назад +1

      "...changed to music education". And another one gone, and another one gone, another one bites the dust! R.I.P

  • @SAABguyMD
    @SAABguyMD 3 года назад +8

    The replacement cost on those brakes is laughable! The ones that it come with from the factory are 7.5% of the cost of the entire vehicle, that's crazy! PS great video!

  • @tomsmock7674
    @tomsmock7674 4 года назад

    I’m a fan.... because talented people with incredible communication skills surpasses most educated engineering.
    Great ... almost always the best technical explanations available. Thank you keep up your fantastic work. BTW just ignore stupidity.

  • @drummerdoingstuff5020
    @drummerdoingstuff5020 4 года назад +89

    When the "track day" is a whole family event...

    • @EngineeringExplained
      @EngineeringExplained  4 года назад +5

      Hahaha, love it!

    • @joef5661
      @joef5661 4 года назад

      ...And have you seen those races where everyone's pulling a trailer? Good times!

  • @zorrothebug
    @zorrothebug 4 года назад +65

    Hahaha, all talking about Porsche while wearing a McLaren cap, nice trolling 🤣