If we had voted yes we would be ten years into making a better country: no monarchy, ending foreign investors buying our land, more democracy. Maybe not richer, but definitely fairer.
@@brianferguson7840 An EU that is currently stalling with the cracks starting to show as the far right and Euroskeptics grow ever stronger and gain more and more power with the AFD in Germany, RN in France as well as far right goverments in Austria, Hungary and the Netherlands. I'm not Scottish so I have no opinion on the independence debate but we have to talk about the current state of the EU if its being discussed at all.
We in Scotland are in a long term abusive relationship where we can't get a divorce, or even ask for a divorce, without the permission of our abusive partner
09:35 Spain had already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that it didn't care if Scotland wanted to join the EU, it would not block it as long as independence was achieved constitutionally and legally. I'm getting really tired of this LIE! Conduct yourself better! Scotland joining the EU wouldn't affect Spain's situation whatsoever.
@hghyfyfiugou4448 it would als9 depend on the timing if the catalonia issue was still an issue for them. Addtionally, there is no guarantee we would instantly be accepted. At the time the UK would of had a lot of sway around allowing us back in. Now it is different but it has been hard for nations to join the EU in recent years. I do feel we would get into the EU but it would be well after making agreement with the UK and having a new coutrancy and for the EU to see how we function as an independent state. Id say a decade it would take till we joined. It took ex soviet block nations 14 years. Yes we were part before under the UK but we would be a new nation so it would be different. Likely would also agree to the euro
@@lenabo9929the UK had a lot of sway but a lot of sway was based in Scotland. Its geographical situation and its natural resources. Even the then "allegedly" declining oil stock. What did England have left?
In Scotland we have a separate judicial system and education system. The other issue is just the fundamental lack of understanding of Scotland’s national identity by your average English person.
It wasn't even the break up of a state, Scotland is one of 4 nations, making up UK. As you say, it's being discussed by English commentators, who don't have full understanding of the situation.
@@jokedejojo a wee bit of complexity would be worth it! A big bit of complexity would be worth it! If we succeeded, the other 3 nations would benefit too. 🙂
I was a supporter of independence during the referendum and the amount of bias within the BBC when you both worked, there was absolutely appalling. I personally think it was more than just editorial bias, which is always understandable. To this day, I always cross reference different news sources now, because quite simply that institution can no longer be trusted.
The BBC are not Bias ,But some of their reporting was not correct. I have not seen the BBC backing a yes vote and a no vote back in 2014, and the same goes to the other UK and Scottish Broadcasters at the time, But GB News and Talk TV are Bias from Top to Bottom because both news channels back the Tories and Reform UK and they can't keep their views to theirself's
The BBC (British Broadcasting Conservative channel) is tun by the Tories. It's a publicly funded media service that's being used by the Tories to spread their lies and Tory propaganda.
And the no campaign brock purduh law with no consequence. The UK establishment has no trgard never mind respect for the Scots. We are nothing but a sourses of natrul resources for them
The problem is England can never be a Independent country. England is too poor and small. England could never run itself. Look at the amount of begging that the English people did in 2014 as they know that England could never run its own affairs and be an independent county.
Its telling that’s its three British media people talking about Scotland. Scotland’s people are the constant observers. We are never consulted, this is a deliberate policy to belittle the Scottish people. Our history our culture is appropriated by the British, everything about us that is positive is British and the negatives are wholly Scottish.
I’m guessing the commenter lives in North America because they always say British when in reality they are talking about England. Drives me nuts. This discussion is so hypothetical- the drive for Brexit came from the North of England based on dare I say Trump-like nationalism and lies.
And education and (for what it’s worth) religion. Even the Honours still exist for a monarchy (if Scotland went down that route) and the basis of a written constitution going back for hundreds of years.
@hilarykirkby4771 No, it can't. Scots law is sovereign. It iis part of the act of Union agreement. The Supreme Court was established for UK exclusive laws, not Scots laws. As in, no Scots law states how Scotland could hold a referendum unilaterally. Unfortunately!
@@hilarykirkby4771the mean the UK supreme court not England. Theres a difference plus they are independent. Just because you dont like their outcomes does not mean the court is not fair. For example the SNPs attmept im 2022 to get the court to allow them to hold a referedum. The court ruled infavour of the that referedums were reserved under the Scotland act 1998 to westminster. That was simple the UK is a unitary state and it is clear it was the power of the nations states. Even if we shifted to a pure federal model not national government would give the power to succeed, because then it is just a confederation. Which normally fail.
The hardest thing to seperate is not our respective & different legal systems but the "National" Grid that cutrently means Scotland that generates more green electricity than rUK has the highest energy bills. If Scotland benefited directly from the energy it generates Scotland wld realise how colonially extractionist the "Union" is.
I was born in england and lived in scotland for about 25 years. I generally like this podcast but this is really disappointing and ignorant claptrap. The idea that Scotland had any say in Brexit is really offensive. You’re better than this; try harder.
I like this podcast, but Lewis talks about Common Legal Systems, which is wrong. And Emily thinks losing 60% of Remain votes in Scotland would have meant Brexit would never have happened! FFS. And then to say Scotland would have been refused entry to the EU, when we've always been more EU-focused than Westminster has ever been, is just ludicrous. And John saying you can't have sepratists breaking up countries.... Scotland IS a country. The UK, is a UNION of Countries. This whole bullsh*t discussion by 3 English-centric journalists, proves there's a bias (either known or unknown) and makes my blood boil.
I agree. I respect this podcast (specifically Emily's integrity) more than most I listen to... but you will never get the whole truth about Scottish independence from anglo-centric journos. Especially the best informed ones understandably looking out for THEIR country's best interests.
@@patriciakeegan7819 getting our independence back isn't like flicking a switch. First we decide the will of the people... then if successful, we schedule for the transfer to independence. That would include a grace period for England to remove their weapons in a timely manner. Us being used as a convenient "far enough away" receptacle for their nuclear weapons should be a factor in the decision the Scottish people make.
We are not seperare countrys we are seperate nations within ome country the united kingdom. Scotland is not a country as it does not have a soverign government. Similar to Quebec and Catalonia they arent countries but are nations.
@@roccosilverstar yes. Westmister functions as the nation state and the regional government of england. So theoretically the UK pm is PM of thr UK and first minister of england.
Why is it an equal union member has to ask permission from another equal union member to ask its people a democratic question. In Northern Ireland, they can ask their people every 7 years? You must also look up Salvo as they have an interesting point to make in international courts.
It's well seen that you have no Scottish contributors to this video. If you had, they may have mentioned that the Scottish legal system is different to that in England and Wales. They may also have pointed out that Spain have said repeatedly that they would not stand in the way of an independent Scotland joining the European Union. A Scottish representative may even have reminded you that Scotland wanted the Brexit referendum to only be successful if each individual nation in the UK voted Yes. Cameron did not allow that, so we left the European Union because two of the nations, England and Wales, voted for it. English nationalism is the reason for Brexit.
Which is an error on their behalf. They should bring on someone more keyed into Scottish politics if they want to serious discuss impacts of independence
Only listened for 10 minutes and have to point out that Scotland has a different legal system and Spain has come out many times saying they would not have blocked us from joining the EU !
@@zonianfjb they have a vote on admission to the EU, being part of the EU, so they could have blocked entry or re-entry, and so their opinion matters.
Do you agree that it was illegal for the Better Together campaign to make 'The Vow' a week out from a vote ie in the Purdah period? Asking for 1.6M friends 😊
Since Indyref 1, I have met over a dozen people who have changed their minds on Independence. All of them were "no" voters who would now vote "Yes". I have not spoken to anyone who has changed from Yes to No. That tells me a lot.
"Splitting up the country" ? Who's talking about splitting up Scotland? Oh, I see. You're doing that thing that you do, you don't recognize there are other countries in the union. The UK is treated as default England, as most of the people, the media and the government is there. But then you ignore the three other countries as separate entities. You're not helping your cause --- which is fine by me.
More than 140 Countries have gained independence. 63 of the from England. 50 gained independence from England since WW2. 3 EU member States are former English colonies.
Yes colonies. Scotland wqs never a colony it was part of thr union. No country has seperated from a democraric state via a referdum. All those that left stated they were forming their own nation state and the colonial power the UK reluctantly agreeedm or for the former soviet states, a nation state was dieing and new one states were created.
The difference is at first they came through violence l, repression and the threat of it. Those days are gone and not comparable with the scottish independence movement which was peaceful
Whilst I am not a nationalist and frankly can't stand the way they conduct themselves, if I had for 1 second thought brexit was going to happen I'd have voted yes.
@@Nawitisnae If it was just that then why is Euroskepticism on the rise across Europe. The AFD in Germany, RN in France in the last EU elections 15 countries has a voter turnout less than 50%. This attitude that it was "just English nationalism and exceptionism" blinded the EU to the fact that there was a real problem with the EU system that allowed misinformation to spread so rampantly during the Brexit referendum.
@@Alexander-yb1zc Because the right have discovered how to harness the hate-o-sphere through social media... and have unlimited funding from large corps and b/millionaires (whose interests are best served by the right being in power) to stoke the fires. If you don't believe me and consider yourself right leaning, ask yourself why there are 3 or 4 groups of people in this country today you detest daily because of what they are doing to the country... and also cast your mind back 10 years and try and remember if you even thought about these 3 or 4 groups at all back then.
Earlier this month a poll by Norstat (commissioned by The Times) found Scottish independence up 6% to 54%. Believe in Scotland added questions to that poll investigating the impact of various policy options to independence support. Last week we published our finding that if the case for independence were predicated on an independent Scotland being a republic rather than a monarchy, support rose 5% to 59%. To be clear, it was the same respondents on the same day just minutes after they had given the 54% Yes response so, the results are directly comparable.....
@@ou7shined972 Nope definitely Cameron. First thing Cameron and his chancellor, Osbourne, did is make the poorest people in society pay for bailing out the richest people in society with the austerity policy. Without austerity would Scotland have been as keen for an independence vote? He then goes on to settle a party unity issue by calling a referendum. For that referendum he took a massively complex issue like our membership of the EU, rendered it down to a simple "in or out" question and handed it over to people seriously under equipped to understand it, the general voting public. Without austerity would there even have been a Brexit vote? It wasn't really on the political radar of most people before he came in. Without Brexit would Johnson ever have got to be PM? Would Truss? By the time Truss was installed the country was showing serious signs of breakage from the austerity and no one really knew what to do about how badly Brexit was going. So yes, Cameron for my money is by far the worst PM.
@kalebdaark100 I agree heavily here, history will not be kind to Cameron. I think we're very lucky that somehow the US and EU are looking like they will create a bigger mess than brexit.
15:59 information, did you know that every household in scotland was sent a book outlining what would happen if the yes vote prevailed. It was at least 150 pages - it was the no vote side that didn't tell us what would happen if we voted no. The promises made in "the vow" (published only a few days before the vote) were one by one voted down in parliament after the vote.
Whether our economy thrives or dives, it should be in the hands of Scotland. It should be a government that we elect, and one that we can reject at the polls. As it happens, the only time we get a government we want, is if it happens to be the same one as England wants. Let me ask English people this. How many of you would put up with, say, Germany, France, or even Scotland, ALWAYS calling the shots? Could you be satisfied with England only being represented by in twelve lawmakers in Westminster? And even if YOU could, do you think most others would? Even more so, if the results haven't been pretty. Take a look around. Everything is failing, everything's getting worse. Perhaps that would be true for an independent Scotland too. Who knows? But it should be because we fudged up, not someone else.
We are not a conferartion. We cant just continually have referedums untill you get the answer you want. Scotland has power over lots of laws through devolution. You will say that power can be taken back. It can, the UK need to become closer to a formal federal state
@@RichWoods23 There wasn't time. "The Vow" was literally delivered the day before polling (and immediately after polls revealed YES was ahead).... which explicitly goes against electoral rules, but hey, who cares it's just the Scots, am I right?
@Calcearius it was a distortion of the facts. Scotland was voting on leaving the UK... and the leave campaign claimed this was tantamount to abandoning the EU/UK deal. When in fact, yes technically that was true, but in practice there would have been a ramp down phase (look how long it took to fully brexit from the date of the referendum) and bags of time to side step back into the EU as ALL the criteria for joining were in place, and had been so for decades... and let's not forget all Scots were at that time EU citizens... and the EU has a duty of care for its citizens.
The Scottish people were fed the lie that to vote for independence would mean we would be out of the EU, while voting to remain in the UK would guarantee our continued EU membership. Well, we all know how that played out.... In the subsequent Brexit vote (yes, the same vote we were promised would never happen if we stayed in the UK) the Scottish electorate voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU - but the democratic deficit we experience in Scotland ensured that wasnt enough for our majority vote to matter - which is the very reason almost half of us support independence. You guys obviously can't see the duplicitous irony in all of this; instead defaulting to somehow spin it as our fault. Your collective journalistic standards have slipped to appalling levels. Do better.
@zonianfjb You've misread or misinterpreted my comment. Let me break it down for you: in 2014, during IndyRef, the Better Together campaign ran with the unequivocal assurance (now proven to be a lie) that the only way to ensure continued EU membership was to vote to stay in the UK. Less than 2 years later the rUK voted for Brexit. THAT'S the duplicitous irony in all of this.
It absolutely would be in that scenario. It was the EU voters that made the difference. They were never going to vote to leave Scotland. Brexit, they were barred from voting...
england would be nothing without scotland , and scotland doesnt have to rely on oil as you keep saying, we generate enough green energy for the whole country onfor it to go via england before we get to use it at higher costs
You are so delusional? Im from Scotland. Englands economy is far larger than Scotland. And we get more spent per head in Scotland than England due to the barrnet formula
@@lenabo9929so what does England bring to the table? Nae industry,nae oil,nae gas,nae water,trillions in debt,billions spent on a fancy railway that doesn’t work,billions going to be spent on trident that we won’t ever fire it ,billions squandered on fake ppe, billions on test track and trace, I could go on and on, but you think we’re better together. Merry Christmas, unless you’re a pensioner
More English propaganda. Scotland would already be in the EU by now. Also you didn't mention the illegal breaking of purdah, bribing Scottish voters with the vow which never even materialised.12:03
"It may not have been mired in misinformation?" See: The Bigger the Lie. `The media coverage leading up to the Scottish referendum.` If you watch the short documentary & you`re interested in propaganda, the manufacture of consent etc. Take note of the sequence of numbers 1,3,5/ 2,4.W\tch the short film & you`ll know what I`m talking about.
These roasters think that the EU would have rejected the country with the biggest untapped oil reserves in Western Europe. They’re a trio of pretentious dopes
When your political analysis has been so wrong over the last year, you have to come up with a feature where you analyze something that didn't happen a decade ago (and thus can't be proved wrong)
To say scotland would not be a EU member and they would have to apply for membership based on the Spain intervention is not a fair argument. Spain did not want or allow the separation of one of their states whilst the UK government would of approved the separation of scotland.
Scotland would’ve been joining the EU having been legally aligned for decades within the UK. Any negotiations could have taken place simultaneously with the UK-Scotland deal period. There was a letter from the European Commission confirming this and the Spanish Govt even conceded that they wouldn’t block Scottish membership, so long as it was done with a fully legal agreement from the UK. Every single county in Scotland voted to remain in the EU, yet we were powerless to prevent ourselves from leaving with the rest of the UK. There is a reason why the UK Govt won’t let us have another referendum - they know it will be a ‘Yes’.
A few points! Scotland does have it's own legal system. They would have been able to join the single market under EFTA and retained EU market access, the breakup deal would have been cross party and not driven by one like Brexit.
We would have our own Scottish pound, check out the Scottish Currency Group and on the question of rejoining some sort of union with RUK, no country that ceases to be a colony has ever gone back and agreed to being colonised again!
This simply wouldn't have happened. The referendum would have been held to be advisory by London and there would then have been a people's vote to give the Scots a chance to think again. This course of action wouldn't have caused any problems at all...
Yes.its True. the failed Scottish Indy Referendum triggered enormous levels of English nationalism which is still going strong in the form of The Reform Party
Charles is not and Never will be King of Scotland. The people of Scotland choose their King, it is not for England to decide. We never agreed to union in the past and we don’t now, that’s why we had so many battles in the past.
.....are you forgetting that King James VI was literally the Scottish king and inherited the throne of England from Elizabeth I after the action of Union in 1707 ???
@@Alexander-yb1zcmaybe you need to check the facts. James VI died in 1625., 82 years BEFORE the Act of Union. This is commonly (but erroneously - there never was and never can be such a union) labelled “the Union of the Crowns”. James VI succeeded to the English throne by virtue of being cousin to Elizabeth I of England. The fact that he was already King of Scotland is incidental to his becoming king of England.
@@Dac1802 we did agree thar is why it exists. You can argue it was created by coertion, but Scotland has gained from union, through empire and thr lot we were key contibuters to everything that occured and as some would like to argue we were never a colonial subject.
If the many promises that were made to the People of Scotland had been kept, (As near as federalism as you can get, Lead us, don't leave us, more powers to your Government in Edinburgh..... etc, etc) then I doubt if we be having this discussion today.
The Scotland referendum draws a lot of parallels with the Quebec separation referendums in the 1970s and 1990 in Canada. If Scotland voted to separate by 51% I think in all cases would have brought down the Cameron government but Westminster would have never go through with breaking the UK apart. I think we would have quickly seen the passing of a UK version of Canada’s Clarity Act which would set the terms of any separation negotiations, foremost being the insistence of supermajority to exist. Breaking up the UK on a wavering 51% of Scots would have been insane and unacceptable for the national security of the country, primarily due to the repercussions for the nuclear deterrent.
Or ….. as Douglas Alexander once said ….. Brexit was caused by “English Nationalism wrapped up in the Union Jack”. Nothing to do with Scotland whatsoever!
That guy is talking BS, there are international agreements on nation states, rights, liabilities, responsibilities etc. Lewis Goodhal does the usual scare tactics. The Spanish issue has been blown out the water..
I vividly remember the news reports on the BBC at the time, I was undecided right up until the vote and the demonstable lies and scaremongering from the BBC was abhorrent. The one that sticks out was the Nick Robinson 'he didn't answer' thing. The fact that he DID in fact answer and it was edited to make Salmond look clueless was so overtly shocking and desperate that I completely lost faith in anything media related at that point. The came 'The Vow', another act of desperation. Now that a vast number of 'stay' voters have died of old age, it's a no wonder the question of indpendence from a constantly right moving UK is at the forefront of voters political thoughts here once again.
It's the mass of the South Coast of England's population, who called the brexit shot. Immigration and the open door policies were their top gripe. Our independence was irrelevant, and right now, considering the imminent chaos about to unfold in europe, it's definitely not important. The Border control, was and still is the most impotant issue in all of british politics.
what if cameron decided to revoke the lisbon treaty via parliament - which nullifies article 50( signed by Gordon Brown ) - then the UK leaves a year latter setting its own terms
What do you mean responsible? The majority voted for Brexit and the majority in Scotland voted to stay in the union it's called democracy which the leave vote still never had a true Brexit
its hard to bear listening to people who didnt get it right ever discussing alternative realities to things they didnt understand in the first place. scotland voted no because of the overwhelming farce the debate was, nobody knew anything about what the outcome might be. zero plans. westminster just doesnt care if scotland is independent, it would make sccotland slightly weaker in the overall scheme of things. it would be a tiny country next to a large conservative country. a bit like getting a divorce and being forced to still live with your partner and eat breakfast and watch tv and share a bathroom and a bed.... laughable choice. scotland voted no because the powers that be wanted a yes. the uk voted brexit because the powers that be wanted a yes.... tell me when you pundits spot a pattern.... the system is rotten, we've all been demanding change for decades.
North Sea oil production has dropped, predictably, from a peak of 2.8 million barrels per day in 1998 to around 0.5 million barrels per day currently. Many of the fields developed in the 1970’s and 1980’s are now producing at low levels or have been decommissioned. More recent discoveries will merely extend oil & gas production but will not return the North Sea to its former glories. Even if negotiations surrounding the break-up of the UK left all of the benefits of the North Sea only to Scotland. There would have been no post-independence bonanza, Scotland is well-placed to develop renewables, but its future was never going to be based on exploiting hydrocarbons. That ship sailed a long time ago.
That's right, were a progressive country. That's why new fields would have been licenced out to other countries still dependent on fossil fuels. Most current fields are sold off to outside interests by the UK govt. so can't make us anything anyway. I live in Aberdeen... formerly known as The Oil Capital of Europe. Let that sink in.... THE OIL CAPITAL OF EUROPE! It is a miserable sh!thole with no signs of our supposed oil prosperity whatever. Nada, zero, nothing. It was all syphoned off during the boom to develop London. Trust me we are used to living without oil revenue up here. Norway pity us. Probably because they didn't hand all their oil over to Sweden because half a dozen crooked noblemen signed their entire country off to their big neighbour 350 years ago for land rights.
@@brianforrester7707 The total oil equivalent produced from Norway (population 5.47 million people) is similar to the total oil equivalent produced from Scotland (population 5.4 million people). Norway has an oil fund worth 1.8 trillion dollars. The Norwegian oil fund made a profit of 213 billion dollars in 2023. Scotland has an oil fund of zero dollars. The 543 English Westminster MPs plundered a great Scottish asset and squandered it. It's just as well Norway gained its full independence from Sweden in 1905 or the same fate may have happened to the Norwegian wealth as happened to Scotland's wealth. The 1.8 trillion dollar Norwegian oil fund which is still growing will help future generations of the Norwegian people. The Scottish natural wealth taken by Westminster dominated by English MPs in London England will not help future generations of Scottish people.
@@martindornan1667 Martin, I can't disagree with your numbers or your conclusion - other than that Scotland had its own industrial legacy (unemployed miners, shipbuilders etc.) which North Sea revenues will have supported. Still doesn't leave Scotland, or the UK, with Norway's legacy. And maybe that Stockholm would have been more enlightened than Westminster. It's a while since I worked on this (been retired for 9 years) but our forecast was that by 2030, Norway's sovereign wealth fund would comprise 3% of world equities - avoiding investment in oil & gas, tobacco, palm oil & various other now-unfashionable industries, much to their credit (moral and financial). I doubt the forecast looks much different today.
I voted No only because it made no Economic sense to separate from our biggest trading partner assuming that the U.K. would be sensible enough to do the same thing re Brexit thanks for that
5M with those revenues? Are you kidding? Those who had reservations would be floating, they'd be feeling so light. We'd have proper infrastructure - Dual carriageways and motorways connecting every city and town; proper high-speed trains and underground or overhead systems for our cities. We don't need to join the EU. EFTA wants us. That's fine. We'd have a wonderful NHS. There's no space here to rejoice into words the prospect of liberation from the dysfunctional and pompous Westminster system.
Goog grief, the border was the CAT. "Not mired in misinformation" Scotland was lied to throughout: "Being part of a Union of equals", makes me ill at the memory. EVEL the very next day. 2 countries voting to remain in the EU, 2 voting out. Scotland being out against our wishes, NI in the EU as they voted, England & Wales out as they voted. Devolution isn't democracy.
We were lied to. Stay in the Union and we will stay in the EU. With hinsight now it would have played out and we would be independent. We would probably be poorer. We would not be stuck with the catastrophic punch and judy show that is Westminster.
If we had voted yes we would be ten years into making a better country: no monarchy, ending foreign investors buying our land, more democracy. Maybe not richer, but definitely fairer.
And, probably still a (valued) member of the European Union
@@brianferguson7840 An EU that is currently stalling with the cracks starting to show as the far right and Euroskeptics grow ever stronger and gain more and more power with the AFD in Germany, RN in France as well as far right goverments in Austria, Hungary and the Netherlands.
I'm not Scottish so I have no opinion on the independence debate but we have to talk about the current state of the EU if its being discussed at all.
And ending the trillions of pounds in oil revenue that's gone straight to London.
Why didn't you then?
@@OffordDarcy because too many english call this place home.
We in Scotland are in a long term abusive relationship where we can't get a divorce, or even ask for a divorce, without the permission of our abusive partner
Short memory huh?
@@ne-ht4zxnot a democracy supporter are you
Yous literally had the chance 10 years ago to leave and yous said no
EDIT: I forgot add sadly on at the end 😭
“Yous” is that a word?
@@malcolmmcblain3954 yeah i wonder what it could mean
09:35 Spain had already stated MULTIPLE TIMES that it didn't care if Scotland wanted to join the EU, it would not block it as long as independence was achieved constitutionally and legally. I'm getting really tired of this LIE! Conduct yourself better!
Scotland joining the EU wouldn't affect Spain's situation whatsoever.
@hghyfyfiugou4448 it would als9 depend on the timing if the catalonia issue was still an issue for them. Addtionally, there is no guarantee we would instantly be accepted. At the time the UK would of had a lot of sway around allowing us back in. Now it is different but it has been hard for nations to join the EU in recent years. I do feel we would get into the EU but it would be well after making agreement with the UK and having a new coutrancy and for the EU to see how we function as an independent state. Id say a decade it would take till we joined. It took ex soviet block nations 14 years. Yes we were part before under the UK but we would be a new nation so it would be different. Likely would also agree to the euro
@@lenabo9929the UK had a lot of sway but a lot of sway was based in Scotland. Its geographical situation and its natural resources. Even the then "allegedly" declining oil stock. What did England have left?
In Scotland we have a separate judicial system and education system. The other issue is just the fundamental lack of understanding of Scotland’s national identity by your average English person.
It wasn't even the break up of a state, Scotland is one of 4 nations, making up UK. As you say, it's being discussed by English commentators, who don't have full understanding of the situation.
If you thought Brexit was messy, Scottish independence would have been much much more complex. Silly to pretend otherwise.
@@jokedejojo a wee bit of complexity would be worth it! A big bit of complexity would be worth it! If we succeeded, the other 3 nations would benefit too. 🙂
I was a supporter of independence during the referendum and the amount of bias within the BBC when you both worked, there was absolutely appalling.
I personally think it was more than just editorial bias, which is always understandable.
To this day, I always cross reference different news sources now, because quite simply that institution can no longer be trusted.
The BBC are not Bias ,But some of their reporting was not correct. I have not seen the BBC backing a yes vote and a no vote back in 2014, and the same goes to the other UK and Scottish Broadcasters at the time, But GB News and Talk TV are Bias from Top to Bottom because both news channels back the Tories and Reform UK and they can't keep their views to theirself's
The BBC (British Broadcasting Conservative channel) is tun by the Tories. It's a publicly funded media service that's being used by the Tories to spread their lies and Tory propaganda.
I wasn't then, but I would be now.
Aw it was horrendous the bias on ALL channels. I remember watching it on the telly
And the no campaign brock purduh law with no consequence. The UK establishment has no trgard never mind respect for the Scots. We are nothing but a sourses of natrul resources for them
The problem is England can never be a Independent country.
England is too poor and small. England could never run itself. Look at the amount of begging that the English people did in 2014 as they know that England could never run its own affairs and be an independent county.
We're going to be the 51st state. Hot diggety dang!
@@TheLucanicLord no surprises there....England is the most gullible nation on earth
This is why the English Establishment has went around stealing countries for hundreds of years... they are the LEAST independent country there is.
@@TheLucanicLordI don't want us to be the 51st state. I also don't want us to be the 28th. You shouldn't either. Hot diggety gott im himmel.
Too poor and small? As opposed to say Malta? Nonsensical contribution.
Its telling that’s its three British media people talking about Scotland. Scotland’s people are the constant observers. We are never consulted, this is a deliberate policy to belittle the Scottish people. Our history our culture is appropriated by the British, everything about us that is positive is British and the negatives are wholly Scottish.
I think Emily basically had our backs here... although she did make a couple of anglo-centric faux pas... the other two? Well, par for the course.
Colonial mentality.
@@John-e5k9x it's fine to call them English.
I’m guessing the commenter lives in North America because they always say British when in reality they are talking about England. Drives me nuts. This discussion is so hypothetical- the drive for Brexit came from the North of England based on dare I say Trump-like nationalism and lies.
Scotland has a separate legal system.
And education and (for what it’s worth) religion. Even the Honours still exist for a monarchy (if Scotland went down that route) and the basis of a written constitution going back for hundreds of years.
These people are illiterate when it comes to Scotlands place in the world. Three patronising English hacks.
Unfortunately it can still be over-ruled on the whim of England, However, it is certainly closer to a European model.
@hilarykirkby4771
No, it can't. Scots law is sovereign. It iis part of the act of Union agreement. The Supreme Court was established for UK exclusive laws, not Scots laws. As in, no Scots law states how Scotland could hold a referendum unilaterally. Unfortunately!
@@hilarykirkby4771the mean the UK supreme court not England. Theres a difference plus they are independent. Just because you dont like their outcomes does not mean the court is not fair. For example the SNPs attmept im 2022 to get the court to allow them to hold a referedum. The court ruled infavour of the that referedums were reserved under the Scotland act 1998 to westminster. That was simple the UK is a unitary state and it is clear it was the power of the nations states. Even if we shifted to a pure federal model not national government would give the power to succeed, because then it is just a confederation. Which normally fail.
The hardest thing to seperate is not our respective & different legal systems but the "National" Grid that cutrently means Scotland that generates more green electricity than rUK has the highest energy bills. If Scotland benefited directly from the energy it generates Scotland wld realise how colonially extractionist the "Union" is.
I was born in england and lived in scotland for about 25 years. I generally like this podcast but this is really disappointing and ignorant claptrap. The idea that Scotland had any say in Brexit is really offensive. You’re better than this; try harder.
Try harder. Ok, Demi Lovato.
I like this podcast, but Lewis talks about Common Legal Systems, which is wrong. And Emily thinks losing 60% of Remain votes in Scotland would have meant Brexit would never have happened! FFS. And then to say Scotland would have been refused entry to the EU, when we've always been more EU-focused than Westminster has ever been, is just ludicrous. And John saying you can't have sepratists breaking up countries.... Scotland IS a country. The UK, is a UNION of Countries. This whole bullsh*t discussion by 3 English-centric journalists, proves there's a bias (either known or unknown) and makes my blood boil.
I agree. I respect this podcast (specifically Emily's integrity) more than most I listen to... but you will never get the whole truth about Scottish independence from anglo-centric journos. Especially the best informed ones understandably looking out for THEIR country's best interests.
Will we ever get independence while we have nuclear missiles in Scottish soil?
@@patriciakeegan7819 getting our independence back isn't like flicking a switch. First we decide the will of the people... then if successful, we schedule for the transfer to independence. That would include a grace period for England to remove their weapons in a timely manner. Us being used as a convenient "far enough away" receptacle for their nuclear weapons should be a factor in the decision the Scottish people make.
What does your passport say on the front mate?
@@jokedejojo It doesn't say what it should! And I'm not your mate.
Split up of a country?... We are separate countries. We are NOT part of England. We would have joined EFTA.
Unfortunately, we are a colony of England.
We are not seperare countrys we are seperate nations within ome country the united kingdom. Scotland is not a country as it does not have a soverign government. Similar to Quebec and Catalonia they arent countries but are nations.
@@lenabo9929 well neither is England then. Westminster is the British soverign government.
Within one Island, not Country
@@roccosilverstar yes. Westmister functions as the nation state and the regional government of england. So theoretically the UK pm is PM of thr UK and first minister of england.
Scotland and England don't have a common legal system.
They're more similar to each other than either is to the froggy system.
@@TheLucanicLord is missing the point your speciality ? Jog on gammon.
Why is it an equal union member has to ask permission from another equal union member to ask its people a democratic question. In Northern Ireland, they can ask their people every 7 years? You must also look up Salvo as they have an interesting point to make in international courts.
Sadly future independence mechanisms will only come after a peace process.
It's well seen that you have no Scottish contributors to this video. If you had, they may have mentioned that the Scottish legal system is different to that in England and Wales. They may also have pointed out that Spain have said repeatedly that they would not stand in the way of an independent Scotland joining the European Union. A Scottish representative may even have reminded you that Scotland wanted the Brexit referendum to only be successful if each individual nation in the UK voted Yes. Cameron did not allow that, so we left the European Union because two of the nations, England and Wales, voted for it. English nationalism is the reason for Brexit.
@@MattMcQueen1 they have no Scottish contributors because none of the people who do the show are from Scotland.
You're a nat. You do not speak for me or most Scots.
Which is an error on their behalf. They should bring on someone more keyed into Scottish politics if they want to serious discuss impacts of independence
Scotland could have joined efta straight away
Scotland has an opened ended offer to join EFTA and the Nordic Council.
No it would not.
@@lenabo9929 Yes, it would.
Only listened for 10 minutes and have to point out that Scotland has a different legal system and Spain has come out many times saying they would not have blocked us from joining the EU !
Who gives a toss what Spain says?
@@zonianfjb they have a vote on admission to the EU, being part of the EU, so they could have blocked entry or re-entry, and so their opinion matters.
They also regularly fall into saying England when they mean rUK.
Do you agree that it was illegal for the Better Together campaign to make 'The Vow' a week out from a vote ie in the Purdah period?
Asking for 1.6M friends 😊
Since Indyref 1, I have met over a dozen people who have changed their minds on Independence.
All of them were "no" voters who would now vote "Yes". I have not spoken to anyone who has changed from Yes to No.
That tells me a lot.
"Splitting up the country" ?
Who's talking about splitting up Scotland?
Oh, I see. You're doing that thing that you do, you don't recognize there are other countries in the union. The UK is treated as default England, as most of the people, the media and the government is there. But then you ignore the three other countries as separate entities.
You're not helping your cause --- which is fine by me.
If the UK is treated as default England by the media, then how would Scotland leaving be splitting up the country?
More than 140 Countries have gained independence. 63 of the from England. 50 gained independence from England since WW2. 3 EU member States are former English colonies.
Yes colonies. Scotland wqs never a colony it was part of thr union. No country has seperated from a democraric state via a referdum. All those that left stated they were forming their own nation state and the colonial power the UK reluctantly agreeedm or for the former soviet states, a nation state was dieing and new one states were created.
The difference is at first they came through violence l, repression and the threat of it. Those days are gone and not comparable with the scottish independence movement which was peaceful
There’s 32 local authorities in Scotland. Not one of them returned a vote in favour of Brexit.
Also king Charles is not the king of Scotland. We are sovereign. Look it up.
Whilst I am not a nationalist and frankly can't stand the way they conduct themselves, if I had for 1 second thought brexit was going to happen I'd have voted yes.
Let all be honest, in 2014 NO ONE thought brexit would have happened.
English nationalism and perceived exceptionalism made them think they're the greatest nation in the world.
@@Nawitisnae If it was just that then why is Euroskepticism on the rise across Europe. The AFD in Germany, RN in France in the last EU elections 15 countries has a voter turnout less than 50%.
This attitude that it was "just English nationalism and exceptionism" blinded the EU to the fact that there was a real problem with the EU system that allowed misinformation to spread so rampantly during the Brexit referendum.
@@Alexander-yb1zc not only that, we were told that Brexit wouldn't happen.
@@Alexander-yb1zc Because the right have discovered how to harness the hate-o-sphere through social media... and have unlimited funding from large corps and b/millionaires (whose interests are best served by the right being in power) to stoke the fires.
If you don't believe me and consider yourself right leaning, ask yourself why there are 3 or 4 groups of people in this country today you detest daily because of what they are doing to the country... and also cast your mind back 10 years and try and remember if you even thought about these 3 or 4 groups at all back then.
Earlier this month a poll by Norstat (commissioned by The Times) found Scottish independence up 6% to 54%. Believe in Scotland added questions to that poll investigating the impact of various policy options to independence support. Last week we published our finding that if the case for independence were predicated on an independent Scotland being a republic rather than a monarchy, support rose 5% to 59%. To be clear, it was the same respondents on the same day just minutes after they had given the 54% Yes response so, the results are directly comparable.....
We got a referendum but the amount of lies and pressure on it and we wouldn’t get if we had Westminster wouldn’t have allowed it
Salmond would have been able to handle those negotiations.
I didn't like Salmond all that much. But, yes he probably could have. England, would have been a problem if Brexit didn't happen.
Now there’s a victim blaming headline if ever I’ve seen one.
Cameron got cocky after the No vote and thought he could shut down the Eurosceptics once and for all…..oh the arrogance of it
For my money, the worst PM we have had in the last 50 years.
@@kalebdaark100 Johnson? Truss?
@@ou7shined972 Nope definitely Cameron.
First thing Cameron and his chancellor, Osbourne, did is make the poorest people in society pay for bailing out the richest people in society with the austerity policy.
Without austerity would Scotland have been as keen for an independence vote?
He then goes on to settle a party unity issue by calling a referendum. For that referendum he took a massively complex issue like our membership of the EU, rendered it down to a simple "in or out" question and handed it over to people seriously under equipped to understand it, the general voting public.
Without austerity would there even have been a Brexit vote? It wasn't really on the political radar of most people before he came in.
Without Brexit would Johnson ever have got to be PM? Would Truss?
By the time Truss was installed the country was showing serious signs of breakage from the austerity and no one really knew what to do about how badly Brexit was going.
So yes, Cameron for my money is by far the worst PM.
@kalebdaark100 I agree heavily here, history will not be kind to Cameron.
I think we're very lucky that somehow the US and EU are looking like they will create a bigger mess than brexit.
@@Alexander-yb1zc I'm fairly sure "lucky" is not the right word, but yes there are problems everywhere.
15:59 information, did you know that every household in scotland was sent a book outlining what would happen if the yes vote prevailed. It was at least 150 pages - it was the no vote side that didn't tell us what would happen if we voted no. The promises made in "the vow" (published only a few days before the vote) were one by one voted down in parliament after the vote.
Whether our economy thrives or dives, it should be in the hands of Scotland. It should be a government that we elect, and one that we can reject at the polls.
As it happens, the only time we get a government we want, is if it happens to be the same one as England wants.
Let me ask English people this. How many of you would put up with, say, Germany, France, or even Scotland, ALWAYS calling the shots?
Could you be satisfied with England only being represented by in twelve lawmakers in Westminster? And even if YOU could, do you think most others would?
Even more so, if the results haven't been pretty. Take a look around. Everything is failing, everything's getting worse.
Perhaps that would be true for an independent Scotland too. Who knows? But it should be because we fudged up, not someone else.
We are not a conferartion. We cant just continually have referedums untill you get the answer you want. Scotland has power over lots of laws through devolution. You will say that power can be taken back. It can, the UK need to become closer to a formal federal state
The thing to remember is if Cameron had lost the Scottish referendum, he wouldn't have been PM for an in/out EU vote.
Typical English media, look in your mirror, and take some responsibility
ye should have had at least one scottish guest on the panel, thats symptematic of how we scots feel we are treat by england as a whole.
Can’t continue to listen . Incredibly Anglo centric and patronising. Lewis doesn’t have a clue about Scottish politics
You are talking but not listening we were told if we voted yes we would be out of the Europe and of course we were taken out anyway
Weren't you interested in learning the likely consequences before settling on your choice? I was. Brexit was a terrible idea.
@@RichWoods23but we'd have been trying to get back in.
@@RichWoods23 There wasn't time. "The Vow" was literally delivered the day before polling (and immediately after polls revealed YES was ahead).... which explicitly goes against electoral rules, but hey, who cares it's just the Scots, am I right?
Thats was correct though... If we voted yes we would have been out the EU? So what's the problem?
@Calcearius it was a distortion of the facts. Scotland was voting on leaving the UK... and the leave campaign claimed this was tantamount to abandoning the EU/UK deal. When in fact, yes technically that was true, but in practice there would have been a ramp down phase (look how long it took to fully brexit from the date of the referendum) and bags of time to side step back into the EU as ALL the criteria for joining were in place, and had been so for decades... and let's not forget all Scots were at that time EU citizens... and the EU has a duty of care for its citizens.
Scotland would have joined EFTA. within weeks
what if Brexit hadn't been imposed on scotland and NI?
No. Scotland is not responsible for Brexit. Any more questions?
They are responsible for brexit due to their bubble. More responsible anyway.
Cannot listen to this
any longer..... the bias is ridiculous, the facts wrong, etc.
I got as far as 'Would an Independent Scotland then seek to rejoin the U.K' before the laughter got too dangerous for my health.
The Scottish people were fed the lie that to vote for independence would mean we would be out of the EU, while voting to remain in the UK would guarantee our continued EU membership.
Well, we all know how that played out....
In the subsequent Brexit vote (yes, the same vote we were promised would never happen if we stayed in the UK) the Scottish electorate voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the EU - but the democratic deficit we experience in Scotland ensured that wasnt enough for our majority vote to matter - which is the very reason almost half of us support independence.
You guys obviously can't see the duplicitous irony in all of this; instead defaulting to somehow spin it as our fault.
Your collective journalistic standards have slipped to appalling levels. Do better.
Not true. There was never a guarantee of EU membership.
@zonianfjb You've misread or misinterpreted my comment. Let me break it down for you: in 2014, during IndyRef, the Better Together campaign ran with the unequivocal assurance (now proven to be a lie) that the only way to ensure continued EU membership was to vote to stay in the UK. Less than 2 years later the rUK voted for Brexit. THAT'S the duplicitous irony in all of this.
or what if the Brexit vote was first then maybe Scotland would be it's own country now
It absolutely would be in that scenario. It was the EU voters that made the difference. They were never going to vote to leave Scotland. Brexit, they were barred from voting...
* its
england would be nothing without scotland , and scotland doesnt have to rely on oil as you keep saying, we generate enough green energy for the whole country onfor it to go via england before we get to use it at higher costs
And England sells some of it on to Europe - and has the nerve to classify it as an English revenue!
You are so delusional? Im from Scotland. Englands economy is far larger than Scotland. And we get more spent per head in Scotland than England due to the barrnet formula
@lenabo9929 wrong again. Gdp says so.
@@andrewmason7207 what about GDP? per cap is higher in England than Scotland.
@@lenabo9929so what does England bring to the table? Nae industry,nae oil,nae gas,nae water,trillions in debt,billions spent on a fancy railway that doesn’t work,billions going to be spent on trident that we won’t ever fire it ,billions squandered on fake ppe, billions on test track and trace, I could go on and on, but you think we’re better together. Merry Christmas, unless you’re a pensioner
More English propaganda. Scotland would already be in the EU by now. Also you didn't mention the illegal breaking of purdah, bribing Scottish voters with the vow which never even materialised.12:03
Not a voluntary unnion
Don't blame brexit on Scotland
"It may not have been mired in misinformation?" See: The Bigger the Lie. `The media coverage leading up to the Scottish referendum.` If you watch the short documentary & you`re interested in propaganda, the manufacture of consent etc. Take note of the sequence of numbers 1,3,5/ 2,4.W\tch the short film & you`ll know what I`m talking about.
leaving the uk didnt mean being kicked out the eu as a recognised country under eec
These roasters think that the EU would have rejected the country with the biggest untapped oil reserves in Western Europe. They’re a trio of pretentious dopes
When your political analysis has been so wrong over the last year, you have to come up with a feature where you analyze something that didn't happen a decade ago (and thus can't be proved wrong)
To say scotland would not be a EU member and they would have to apply for membership based on the Spain intervention is not a fair argument. Spain did not want or allow the separation of one of their states whilst the UK government would of approved the separation of scotland.
Yes the EU would have welcomed us
Scotland had NO SAY in the EU referendum. TELL ME I'M WRONG..
Exactly. 62% said remain, 38% said leave... we all got England's pick.
You had the same vote as everyone else.
Scotland was once a proud nation; the SNP has turned Scotland into a nation of pathetic victims
Thats england now,have a word with yourself
@kitbag9033
@@kitbag9033 The unionists are the victims... the perfect victims! They actually want to remain under English rule... pathetic !
That's because Scotland never had a referendum on the EU the UK did...
Scotland would’ve been joining the EU having been legally aligned for decades within the UK. Any negotiations could have taken place simultaneously with the UK-Scotland deal period. There was a letter from the European Commission confirming this and the Spanish Govt even conceded that they wouldn’t block Scottish membership, so long as it was done with a fully legal agreement from the UK. Every single county in Scotland voted to remain in the EU, yet we were powerless to prevent ourselves from leaving with the rest of the UK. There is a reason why the UK Govt won’t let us have another referendum - they know it will be a ‘Yes’.
A few points! Scotland does have it's own legal system. They would have been able to join the single market under EFTA and retained EU market access, the breakup deal would have been cross party and not driven by one like Brexit.
I love the way these presenters ask their what ifs...with a smile on their faces. What a basket case we are.....
Cameron would have had to resign if Scotland voted for independence, obviously. What sort of analysis is this?
We did vote yes, there was shenanigans galore going on
You lost. Fairly. And badly. And will continue to lose.
We would have our own Scottish pound, check out the Scottish Currency Group and on the question of rejoining some sort of union with RUK, no country that ceases to be a colony has ever gone back and agreed to being colonised again!
This simply wouldn't have happened. The referendum would have been held to be advisory by London and there would then have been a people's vote to give the Scots a chance to think again. This course of action wouldn't have caused any problems at all...
First up , you would have a fresh drinking water problem.
Indeed. Water is the new oil.
@@MattMcQueen1 And large parts of England have very little of it. Way less than is needed.
Yes.its True. the failed Scottish Indy Referendum triggered enormous levels of English nationalism which is still going strong in the form of The Reform Party
Charles is not and Never will be King of Scotland. The people of Scotland choose their King, it is not for England to decide. We never agreed to union in the past and we don’t now, that’s why we had so many battles in the past.
.....are you forgetting that King James VI was literally the Scottish king and inherited the throne of England from Elizabeth I after the action of Union in 1707 ???
@@Alexander-yb1zcmaybe you need to check the facts. James VI died in 1625., 82 years BEFORE the Act of Union. This is commonly (but erroneously - there never was and never can be such a union) labelled “the Union of the Crowns”. James VI succeeded to the English throne by virtue of being cousin to Elizabeth I of England. The fact that he was already King of Scotland is incidental to his becoming king of England.
@@Dac1802 we did agree thar is why it exists. You can argue it was created by coertion, but Scotland has gained from union, through empire and thr lot we were key contibuters to everything that occured and as some would like to argue we were never a colonial subject.
It was a total lie that Scotland wouldn’t be allowed to rejoin the European Union
*join. Scotland was never a member state.
The Sun is a comic.
Cameron was so bad in so many ways. The worst PM ever. I admit the others afterwards were even worse, but Cameron was quite appalling.
English racism and exceptionalism was responsible for Brexit
No chance I'm watching this but the question in the thumbnail is utter insanity.
Clickbait propaganda
What a poorly informed wee chat.... I think you might find the Usher Hall a tad EMPTY.
If the many promises that were made to the People of Scotland had been kept, (As near as federalism as you can get, Lead us, don't leave us, more powers to your Government in Edinburgh..... etc, etc) then I doubt if we be having this discussion today.
who is the smug boy who calls democracy a quirk?
The Scotland referendum draws a lot of parallels with the Quebec separation referendums in the 1970s and 1990 in Canada. If Scotland voted to separate by 51% I think in all cases would have brought down the Cameron government but Westminster would have never go through with breaking the UK apart. I think we would have quickly seen the passing of a UK version of Canada’s Clarity Act which would set the terms of any separation negotiations, foremost being the insistence of supermajority to exist. Breaking up the UK on a wavering 51% of Scots would have been insane and unacceptable for the national security of the country, primarily due to the repercussions for the nuclear deterrent.
Little England was responsible for Brexit.
Or ….. as Douglas Alexander once said ….. Brexit was caused by “English Nationalism wrapped up in the Union Jack”. Nothing to do with Scotland whatsoever!
I wish we had. Saor Alba
They are laid back about the UK splitting with Scotland because we would still be in their beloved EU😂
We would not still be in. If we left the UK we would of left the EU ans had to rejoin. We would like of rejoined but there is no guarantee.
Scotland, the people who live here voted yes. The people who had a vote through being here, EU workers etc voted no because of threats.
Ive got 10 minutes in and this is full of English bias.
That guy is talking BS, there are international agreements on nation states, rights, liabilities, responsibilities etc. Lewis Goodhal does the usual scare tactics. The Spanish issue has been blown out the water..
If Scotland voted yes would that a border poll be triggered.
15:15 to 16:01 literally explains all global politics since.
Little England presenters
Looks like The News Agents are desperate for material. What if....they quit.
It's really LBC under another name.
I vividly remember the news reports on the BBC at the time, I was undecided right up until the vote and the demonstable lies and scaremongering from the BBC was abhorrent. The one that sticks out was the Nick Robinson 'he didn't answer' thing. The fact that he DID in fact answer and it was edited to make Salmond look clueless was so overtly shocking and desperate that I completely lost faith in anything media related at that point. The came 'The Vow', another act of desperation. Now that a vast number of 'stay' voters have died of old age, it's a no wonder the question of indpendence from a constantly right moving UK is at the forefront of voters political thoughts here once again.
The MSM need to take ownership of Brexit, these so pundits need to remember their part in the circus the work in
Had a lot of respect for Maitlis before this, she's lost a lot of it by her ignorance of anything politically Scottish 😢
It's the mass of the South Coast of England's population, who called the brexit shot. Immigration and the open door policies were their top gripe. Our independence was irrelevant, and right now, considering the imminent chaos about to unfold in europe, it's definitely not important. The Border control, was and still is the most impotant issue in all of british politics.
What if......if scotland gets kicked out - then england gets kicked out too.
Blaming foreigners on how you voted. Always someone else to blame never yourself.
what if cameron decided to revoke the lisbon treaty via parliament - which nullifies article 50( signed by Gordon Brown ) - then the UK leaves a year latter setting its own terms
What do you mean responsible? The majority voted for Brexit and the majority in Scotland voted to stay in the union it's called democracy which the leave vote still never had a true Brexit
What if Scotland had voted yes? Discussed by three English people.
its hard to bear listening to people who didnt get it right ever discussing alternative realities to things they didnt understand in the first place. scotland voted no because of the overwhelming farce the debate was, nobody knew anything about what the outcome might be. zero plans. westminster just doesnt care if scotland is independent, it would make sccotland slightly weaker in the overall scheme of things. it would be a tiny country next to a large conservative country. a bit like getting a divorce and being forced to still live with your partner and eat breakfast and watch tv and share a bathroom and a bed.... laughable choice. scotland voted no because the powers that be wanted a yes. the uk voted brexit because the powers that be wanted a yes.... tell me when you pundits spot a pattern.... the system is rotten, we've all been demanding change for decades.
The Scottish question should never have been "yes or no", it should have been remain or leave.
North Sea oil production has dropped, predictably, from a peak of 2.8 million barrels per day in 1998 to around 0.5 million barrels per day currently. Many of the fields developed in the 1970’s and 1980’s are now producing at low levels or have been decommissioned. More recent discoveries will merely extend oil & gas production but will not return the North Sea to its former glories. Even if negotiations surrounding the break-up of the UK left all of the benefits of the North Sea only to Scotland. There would have been no post-independence bonanza,
Scotland is well-placed to develop renewables, but its future was never going to be based on exploiting hydrocarbons. That ship sailed a long time ago.
That's right, were a progressive country. That's why new fields would have been licenced out to other countries still dependent on fossil fuels. Most current fields are sold off to outside interests by the UK govt. so can't make us anything anyway.
I live in Aberdeen... formerly known as The Oil Capital of Europe. Let that sink in.... THE OIL CAPITAL OF EUROPE! It is a miserable sh!thole with no signs of our supposed oil prosperity whatever. Nada, zero, nothing. It was all syphoned off during the boom to develop London. Trust me we are used to living without oil revenue up here.
Norway pity us. Probably because they didn't hand all their oil over to Sweden because half a dozen crooked noblemen signed their entire country off to their big neighbour 350 years ago for land rights.
@@brianforrester7707
The total oil equivalent produced from Norway (population 5.47 million people) is similar to the total oil equivalent produced from Scotland (population 5.4 million people).
Norway has an oil fund worth 1.8 trillion dollars.
The Norwegian oil fund made a profit of 213 billion dollars in 2023.
Scotland has an oil fund of zero dollars.
The 543 English Westminster MPs plundered a great Scottish asset and squandered it.
It's just as well Norway gained its full independence from Sweden in 1905 or the same fate may have happened to the Norwegian wealth as happened to Scotland's wealth.
The 1.8 trillion dollar Norwegian oil fund which is still growing will help future generations of the Norwegian people.
The Scottish natural wealth taken by Westminster dominated by English MPs in London England will not help future generations of Scottish people.
@@martindornan1667 Martin, I can't disagree with your numbers or your conclusion - other than that Scotland had its own industrial legacy (unemployed miners, shipbuilders etc.) which North Sea revenues will have supported. Still doesn't leave Scotland, or the UK, with Norway's legacy. And maybe that Stockholm would have been more enlightened than Westminster.
It's a while since I worked on this (been retired for 9 years) but our forecast was that by 2030, Norway's sovereign wealth fund would comprise 3% of world equities - avoiding investment in oil & gas, tobacco, palm oil & various other now-unfashionable industries, much to their credit (moral and financial). I doubt the forecast looks much different today.
What if…the U.K. abolished the Monarchy? 🤔
We saw the project fear for Scotland, there was no fear left over for Brexit.
I voted No only because it made no Economic sense to separate from our biggest trading partner assuming that the U.K. would be sensible enough to do the same thing re Brexit thanks for that
5M with those revenues? Are you kidding? Those who had reservations would be floating, they'd be feeling so light. We'd have proper infrastructure - Dual carriageways and motorways connecting every city and town; proper high-speed trains and underground or overhead systems for our cities. We don't need to join the EU. EFTA wants us. That's fine. We'd have a wonderful NHS. There's no space here to rejoice into words the prospect of liberation from the dysfunctional and pompous Westminster system.
Goog grief, the border was the CAT. "Not mired in misinformation" Scotland was lied to throughout: "Being part of a Union of equals", makes me ill at the memory. EVEL the very next day. 2 countries voting to remain in the EU, 2 voting out. Scotland being out against our wishes, NI in the EU as they voted, England & Wales out as they voted. Devolution isn't democracy.
We were lied to. Stay in the Union and we will stay in the EU. With hinsight now it would have played out and we would be independent. We would probably be poorer. We would not be stuck with the catastrophic punch and judy show that is Westminster.